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Speaker 1: Good afternoon, and welcome to Software Radio. I'm Software Editor

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Speaker 1: in Chief Sean Spens. I'm filling in for Steve Balustrade today,

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Speaker 1: We're very happy to have you. Thanks man. Yeah, it's cool,

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Speaker 1: And if you don't know this, are publisher Brandon Webb,

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Speaker 1: off of San Diego. Well eight that went down we

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00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: all knew them. Um. Yeah every time, Like you said,

426
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: it's super small community. Every time, every time something like

427
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: that happens, you definitely know someone or went through training

428
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: with them at some point, and it's easy to see

429
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 1: yourself in that in that same spot, like you always

430
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 1: feel like you've rolled the dice. Every time you go

431
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: open the aircraft. You think, I didn't come up sneake

432
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: eyes today, but you could come up sneak eys in

433
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 1: the afternoon. You're always eating wait your turn. You know

434
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 1: you're waiting in turn. That's the best way to screen.

435
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 1: It really is a roll of dice. Dude. Just like

436
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: you said, every time you see like that happened, you

437
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 1: have been in that scenario before where that could have

438
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 1: happened to you, and you're like, thank God, Like it's

439
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: just pure luck that that we didn't crash um over

440
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: and over again. I think that's the fire concept. We

441
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: had a fire in the aircraft one time and come

442
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: back at night and we had an electrical fire in

443
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 1: the panel and lost the lights interior, and that was

444
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: a When you smell things burning in an aircraft, that's

445
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: a very disconcerting thing and you just have to sit

446
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 1: there right. You get the fire extinguisher out and you're

447
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 1: waiting for the lames to blow and things to shut down,

448
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 1: and we're hundred miles from the ship and we're like, God,

449
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 1: I was like getting into my gear. I was like

450
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: I was getting into my gear. Told the pilots of

451
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: somebody to get my wes. You dont case, you have

452
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: to go the water, and I'll have the rafts and

453
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: I'll try and get you guys out and we'll get

454
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: our strokes and our radios up, and you know, the

455
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:21,719
Speaker 1: ship will be a couple of hours, but they'll get

456
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 1: to us, and you know, just just relax and refine service.

457
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put on my I'm gonna put on my

458
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 1: WI gear anyway, So started opening up the doors so

459
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: you can get out. Yeah, doing all that, doing all that,

460
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: all that dish preparation, we're doing, you know, digital any

461
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: checklist and everything, and and then the ship turned the

462
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: lights on for us and we're like to thank God,

463
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: we're gonna get back on deck. And the thing about

464
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: crashes are the usually very simple things are not like

465
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 1: things you could predict. They end up being these small

466
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: takes a month to figure out what it was, and

467
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: when they do, you go, that's what brought down the helicopter. Jeez,

468
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, Tom, it doesn't end up being a big thing,

469
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: ends up being something relatively minor. And you think it

470
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: took this whole aircraft there so um and you do

471
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: you feel it every every major incident is a result

472
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 1: of Swiss cheese effect, where its four small things coming

473
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: in line to cause the problem. It's not one major thing. Yeah,

474
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: and you just sit there and the aircraft and have

475
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: to like wait for it to happen or not happen.

476
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: But it's always there in your head. You always feel

477
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: great when you get back on the deck. You are

478
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: that you're feeling when the rotors turned down. All you

479
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 1: hear is just the whine of the headphones. It's like

480
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: dead silent. You have to take kind of a minute

481
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 1: to just because you're have that whole thing of noise

482
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 1: and vibration and all of that, and it's like dead

483
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: quiet except just for a little feedback in the in

484
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: the headphones of your helmet. There's I still remember that feeling.

485
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: It's like it's always like thirty seconds or so. We

486
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: just kind of sit there and yeah, we did it.

487
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: We're not dead today. Good job, sir, you didn't kill

488
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: us all. That's a concept that had a hard time

489
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: explaining when I got back. It's like flying a helicopter.

490
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: Strate everytime you fly, and it's and you always think

491
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna die. And it's different because it's not like, oh,

492
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna die right now. It's like you have a

493
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: solid forty minutes to an hour thinking about how you're

494
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: gonna die. That sucks with you. I don't know, imagine

495
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: just spending for an hour straight on th I'm gonna die.

496
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: I have a long time to think about that. That

497
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: that'll bess ship. Yeah, it's like getting a death sentence

498
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: and a reprieve every day. Right, the governor calls and

499
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: tells you you don't have to you know, like an

500
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: electric cute too. But you're right because all the losses

501
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: tend to be at takeoffs and landings. It's once you're

502
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: in the air, usually you're okay. It's the landings and

503
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: the takeoffs where it all seems to go bad, and

504
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: and it goes bad very quickly. Um. I used to

505
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 1: just tell myself, please just tell let me get knocked out,

506
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: please let me be conscious. I can get out if

507
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: i'm if I'm awake, I can get out. And um,

508
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: but yeah, you're right, because you bad weather on the ship,

509
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: you're gonna be taking off and you're like, okay, I

510
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: gotta be sweating mess and the landing's gonna takeoff, is

511
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: gonna be okay, are we minimals on the weather? We

512
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: okay on the weather in the wind, and you know,

513
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: we'll be our eyes. You're gonna be sleep, you know,

514
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: and then you're coming back bad weather, safe thing at night,

515
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: dexk pitching and you're sweating that for forty minutes. How's

516
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: the landing gonna be? We're gonna be all right, We're

517
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: gonna do it. Yeah, it's a it's a big relief

518
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: when you finally get on the deck and you're like

519
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: and then it's like, I'm on the flight schedule again

520
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: for the morning. Try yeah, try and go and get

521
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: four hours of sleep after that and then go flying it. Yeah.

522
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: It's like sticking your head in the mouth of the

523
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 1: line and like, okay, see you tomorrow. Right now we'll

524
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: be doing this all over again. Well I'm just getting

525
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: over surviving the last one and we gotta go right

526
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: back down. It is it's a it's a it's a

527
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: you becoming near to certain risks, and after you get out,

528
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: you and engage in risky behaviors because I think a

529
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: lot of times we have a hard time identifying real

530
00:26:54,640 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: risk and um motorcycles, you know, drinking more alcohol than

531
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: we should driving our cars too fast, getting into some

532
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: like extreme sports and stuff. I mean, we're we're looking.

533
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: We find a certain sense of meaning and in living

534
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: in that develope of danger and it's almost like you

535
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: get hooked on. It takes a while to get over it.

536
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: It does. It takes a while, and it took a

537
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: while for you. When you get out. You left the

538
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: you left the Navy. You decided not to relist. So yeah,

539
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: tell me what tell me what shape you're thinking on that? Uh? Yeah,

540
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: one one and done for me. Um, there's a couple

541
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: of couple. Two of the biggest factors that made the

542
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,479
Speaker 1: decision for me was one my back was shot, dude. Um,

543
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: my back was done by the time I got out.

544
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: So two of those rescues I had were pretty big

545
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: tomorrow guys and carrying them in a litter sint over

546
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: in the back of a helicopter, and that just did

547
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: I felt that as soon as I picked them up

548
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: as my backs now, So customer, I don't know if

549
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: we can do that with this audience, but um, you

550
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: could come back. Yeah, my back was screwed. Um, it hurt,

551
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: It still hurts today. Um. And I was like, I

552
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: can't do another two or flying and these things, and

553
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: then two was um well am was well? Was? It

554
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: was not fun? Man? I think I was out there

555
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: with a lot of good guys. A lot of the

556
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 1: swimmers were good, but our command was terrible. We had

557
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: a really terrible command. I guess for context. One time

558
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: I put in for leave, it was denied eleven times,

559
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: and then we got to go and leave. I still

560
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: have all those eleven denials. Um, just because they would

561
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: say we didn't have the meaning. We were undermanned out there,

562
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: so you didn't get to take leave out there, man.

563
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: And that's yeah. I've talked to that when we do

564
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: these screenings. I brought that up. People like, no, you

565
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: you're you're supposed to require to let people take leaving. Like,

566
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you, dude, When you're

567
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: that far away from the sea wall, when you're at

568
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: you're have a CEO that can just run with it

569
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: ever he wants. You're not taking leave if he needs

570
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: you there, you're not leaving. And I took leave twice

571
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: a whole time I was out there, and that's not

572
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: for not putting it in. So I was I was

573
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: pretty burnt out. It's burnt out that command and from

574
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: my body didn't even give you a leave on the base.

575
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: They wouldn't even give you a cheo week break on

576
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: the base. You couldn't just like check into a hotel

577
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: and and take two weeks to send yourself on the

578
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: beach in Spearfish. They wouldn't. They wouldn't grant leave. That's amazing,

579
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: that's amazing. That's absolutely incredible. It could be just because

580
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: you're the up tempo of war. So they're like, hey,

581
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: we got to see control squadrons and Afghanistan doing stuff

582
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: and we gotta put out just as hard. And but

583
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: also I think about cuts to the Navy because the

584
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: personnel cuts to equipment. Um, they're shorter people. They're shorter people.

585
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: That sucks, man, because from what I can tell of you,

586
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: I think you're a great guy and the name shouldn't

587
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: have done some more things to keep you around. They

588
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: do burn guys out, so that's what Yeah, that's what

589
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: we're trying to fix now, is make sure you guys

590
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: don't get burned out and we keep assets in the military. Now,

591
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: there was there a sense of things to where you

592
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: kind of said yourself, Okay, I proved to myself what

593
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to prove to myself by coming year. Maybe

594
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: not in that respect. I mean I saw what it

595
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: was about, and I felt like I did my time.

596
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: There's more along lines like I didn't. I feel like

597
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: I didn't need to I didn't need to do anything else.

598
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: You'll tell me earlier that you learned. You learned to

599
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: sail in San Diego by taking boats out on the

600
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: recreation side of the base. There's a couple of bucks

601
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: in an hour after to go out and sail boat sailing,

602
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: help sailing, help you. And did you do a little

603
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: that in Guam too? Was it? For sure? Yeah? I

604
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: learned to sail in San Diego the MWR program. You

605
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: can rent boats super cheap and they teach you to sail,

606
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: and you can do that with the buddies on the weekends.

607
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: And then when I got to Guam, i'd still do that.

608
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: And then those two times I took leave um I

609
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: went to Thailand and then Australia, and I'd sail as

610
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: much as I could when I was out there. And

611
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: then when we were stationed in Japan. So before we

612
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: go into ployments, we live in Japan. We were station

613
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: in Uikuni at the Wrine Air stationed down there. I'd

614
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: sail out of there a lout a bit, which is beautiful. Man.

615
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: I didn't know Japan had such beautiful islands out there. Yeah,

616
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: they're gorgeous. Um, they've had a lot of time to

617
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,719
Speaker 1: rebuild them since since the work. Um. When you got

618
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: out of the navy, what year was that seen? Similar

619
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: to L sixteen so and that would have put you gosh,

620
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: you were twenty two, twenty three years old. Then right,

621
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: you come back to Texas, back to the home country. Yep,

622
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: back to the motherland. Um. Yeah, and then um, about

623
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: to two months out, Um, I started noticing my body

624
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: was was was weird man. Um. So when I was

625
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: in I never had any of these issues. Um. And

626
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: I always felt like I could keep my mind and

627
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: my body compartmentalized. I mean you full, you'd have that

628
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: saying all the time and compart compartmentalize everything going on

629
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: around you, what you did the day before so you

630
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: can focus on your flight. And then I think and

631
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: I got out, it finally all kind of caught up

632
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: to me, and that hit me in about the two

633
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: month mark. Um, I would be sitting around not doing

634
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: anything at all, and nobody would be around me. I

635
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't be in a store with a house or driving

636
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: or something. And for no reason at all, adrenaline and

637
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: just started running through my body. And and I didn't

638
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know why. Um. That happened a couple of

639
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: times and I was like, this is this is problem.

640
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: So this never used to happen to me. Um, some

641
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: your your body is still on your flight schedule. Yeah, yes,

642
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: since takeoffs and landings and like giving the adrenaline of

643
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: the racing heartbeat, we're about to take off. So yeah,

644
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: so there we actually did a lot of Stephen did um.

645
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: Stephen the guy I did the trip with Hillar I

646
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: sees um. His whole academic career was based on combat

647
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: veterans returning back to the States, what the bodies go through.

648
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: So he had his PhD in that. Yeah, and and

649
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: um all the research he did, and it really shows

650
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: that when your body operates on that level level for

651
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: years on and always thinking you're in and die, right,

652
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: and that a bunch of journaling run through your body,

653
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't just turn off. So when you go live

654
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: a slower pace, your body is still used to operating

655
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: at that tempersso will still release journaling for no reason

656
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: at all, because that's what it used to do to

657
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: keep you alive. Uh, I had no idea, and that's

658
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: scart to ship out of me. And and then with

659
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: that and you know, then you're getting mad paste off

660
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: all time and you had had a real problem come

661
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: back Veneran. Suicide in this country is a major issue,

662
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: um upwards, with twenty two veterans a day commit suicide

663
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: every every day in this country, and are an awful

664
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: lot of organizations that are working to try and mitigate

665
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: and reduce that reduced that risk of suicide among former citiers,

666
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: and that wasn't any different for you. Tell at one

667
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: point you had a very very bad day and you

668
00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: put a gun to your head and you pulled the trigger. Yeah,

669
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: I got there. Um, I'm not proud of it. And

670
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: it's still especially when these screenings and relive the most

671
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: embarrassing norment of your life over and over again. It sucks.

672
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: But um, when I got there, when I got that

673
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: low dude, I'm just I broke down in tears because

674
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: I didn't want like John and Cal and had my buddies.

675
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: I was overseas with the field that alone like they didn't.

676
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: There was no other way to live through this. Yeh yes,

677
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: So that's so that's how Hell I See started, and

678
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: that's why we set off for Cape Horn to kind

679
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: of document what was going on with my body and

680
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: when I was so they could see that they were alone,

681
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: and a minor miracle um when you pulled that trigger,

682
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: there was some sort of misfire and malfunction. The primer

683
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: did not actually that charge, and it did not put

684
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: a bullet into your head, and you had a moment

685
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: to pause and think about what you were going to

686
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: do going forward after this sort of second chance was

687
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: given to you by divine providence or by pure, pure

688
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: happenstance and luck, because I assume you know how to

689
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: take care of a weapon. It should have gone off right,

690
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: it should something should have happened. So something saved you,

691
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: and you decided, Okay, if I'm not going to die,

692
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: I better get on with living. And you decided to

693
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: buy a sailboat. You bought a put twenty grand into

694
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: a used sailboat and decided you were in sail around

695
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: Cape Horn in it, which is like suicide by another means.

696
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: As I've watched the original part of the digres, like, Okay,

697
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: he's just gonna kill itself a different way trying to

698
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: do this. What what was it about Cape Horn that

699
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: excited your imagination and made you say, this is the

700
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: quest I have to I have to fulfill. I've got

701
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,280
Speaker 1: to go to the forest and of South America between

702
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: between the Devil and Deep Blue Sea or so to

703
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: find my find my life again. Tell me about that, Yeah,

704
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: to bring it back a few steps. I didn't. I

705
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: still after the round didn't go off, I didn't. I

706
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: didn't give a shit about living. I don't care about

707
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: being in this world more. That didn't change. So it

708
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't like a I need to start living

709
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: now kind of thing. And I wasn't happy. I wasn't

710
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: happy that I didn't go off. It really wasn't genuinely,

711
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: and but I I I wanted to make sure that

712
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: that the guys didn't go through that. That was the

713
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: only thing that I came away from that with was

714
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure nobody else ended up like

715
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: that and felt that way because you feel pretty funck alone. Yeah, so,

716
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: um Stevens actually one that who kept me alive? Man.

717
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: I credit that to him for sure, because I call

718
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: him and talk about his research and um, everything he's

719
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: seen with the comment bets, he's he's interviewed coming back

720
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: and he's like, dude, everything you're saying, he's exactly what

721
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: every single person of every need and said, what's happening

722
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: in your body where your mind's at. It's like, what

723
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: the what the hell dude, how come we don't know this?

724
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: You know? How come this isn't common knowledge that this

725
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: is what it's going to be like when you get out.

726
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: And so that's when the conversation started, was like, well,

727
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: let's use this and reach every guy getting out of military,

728
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: and um, that's what we kind of decided was the

729
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: only way to do that this day and age is

730
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: through through media, through film. Um, So we decided to

731
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: do something in this world that we could film and

732
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: talk about PTSD and how to fix your body on

733
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: a physiological level. And we're like, well, if we're gonna

734
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: film something, it's got to be pretty badass and people

735
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: are gonna have to want to watch it if they're

736
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: gonna pay atention. And so we're like, well, you see,

737
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna be Mount Everest or Cape Horn and they're like,

738
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: well amount Everest. You know, you pay some money to

739
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: carry your stuff at the top of the mountain and

740
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: you take a month off and go do it. I

741
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be Cape Horn. So we decided on

742
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: Cape Horn. And yeah, then that's when I got the

743
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: boat and picture up, cinematography, start filming. Yeah, the cinematography

744
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: is beautiful. Some of the footage you captured the wave

745
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: actually was just I mean my head was rocket. I

746
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: felt myself like, you know, leaning into the leaning into

747
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: the into the c state there. Uh. Your footage in

748
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: Patagonia was beautiful. I was like, it looks like Norway,

749
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: you know, like the glaciers in the fields. It was like,

750
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: look sudden Norway. It was. It was absolutely gorgeous. But

751
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: you had on this journey. It took you. It was

752
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: over a year, wasn't it. Yeah, just almost two years. Yeah,

753
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: and I left in two nineteen and this was the

754
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: biggest boat you would ever sailed. But yeah, I guess

755
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: that's fair, say yeah, yeah, So those of you, those

756
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: of you are listening, you have what amounts to a

757
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: novice sailor taking a fiberglass bottom boat, and normally you

758
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: would want it to meet up steal rocks and wave

759
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: action that batter a boat like that to two pieces.

760
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: And he sailed at and he sailed at six thousand miles.

761
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: He said about the about the milet six under just

762
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: under ten thousand miles through probably what is the most

763
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: treacherous passage of water in the entire world. And I

764
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: gotta tell you it's an amazing fee. I wonder if

765
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: you still understand just what an incredible thing it was

766
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: that you guys actually pulled off, because I watched the documentaries, like,

767
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: I don't think they understand what they just did. They

768
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: just sailed thousand miles on a rich cracker around around

769
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: Cape Born and lived. It's absolutely amazing. I kept thinking

770
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: watching in the documentary, folks is UM, Hello High Seas,

771
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: and we're gonna arrange for screening some of our members

772
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: for you guys to watch this UM and I've been

773
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: working with your people on this. We're gonna range for

774
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: a screening. Tails also got a veterans organization or he

775
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: is wanted to take veterans coming back out of the

776
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 1: militarian and help them in their transition back to civilian

777
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: life by adventure therapy UM by sailing. And also I

778
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: think there's a sense of crew that that you miss

779
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: when you get out of the military, very close relationships

780
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: among the guys we serve with, and when when you're

781
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: cut off from him, you're cut off him. It's like

782
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: when you step off, you step outside the veil again,

783
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: you're a civilian. They're still in and there's a divide

784
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: there and it's a it's a weird feeling. Um. So

785
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: having that sort of crew of guys of who are

786
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: veterans to reassociate with and and rebuild yourself around your

787
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: tribes and speak, I think it's a very important part

788
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: of that veterans transition. So I can see what you're

789
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: doing is is going to be very helpful to guys.

790
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: So we'll be looking to raising modest sum of money

791
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: to help his help this organization. You also have a

792
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: lot of tequila out um that you guys are doing,

793
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: which I'm surprised it isn't wrong giving your sailors. It

794
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: really should be. It should be rung. Yeah, tell us

795
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 1: the name of the tequila where people can get it. Yeah,

796
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: it's called Cape Porn Tequila. And uh, it's not on

797
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: the shelf yet, So my bottles are stuck in that

798
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: traffic jm Off, California. Uh, look at December tenth is

799
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: our day is supposed to be November one, but we

800
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: got pushed back a month before. We get bottles here

801
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: um and you're usually the proceeds of that to fund

802
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: the proof. Oh yeah, man, Yeah, that was one of

803
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: the biggest things on our expedition was let's keep it

804
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: at going. So we had a lot of we had

805
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: a couple of sponsors that we were out there kind

806
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: of left the high dry and we were in a

807
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: bad spot. So when we were down around Cape Horn,

808
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: you know, another one of those moments you know when

809
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: you're flying you think you're gonna die. We were on

810
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: a boat and we're all we're pretty sure we're gonna die,

811
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: and we're like, well, if we may get back live,

812
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: what are you canna do? And ron was was to

813
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: keep these going and start a company to do that.

814
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: And so that's the Cape Porn Tequila and funds are

815
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: veteran expeditions. Once we get him on the shelves, you

816
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: guys have really you've got to watch this document because

817
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm a sailor myself. I began sailing in middle school

818
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 1: in Miami and coconut growth and crewede on a boat

819
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: that sailed in the in the Bbahama Islands for oh gosh,

820
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: I just three different summers I spent out there and

821
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: there were some moments of your journey there where I thought,

822
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: I know, they're not going to die, but they really

823
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: should die because they're doing something that is like super dangerous.

824
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: You know, the jib boom break for you had to

825
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: ascend the mask to the Poston's chair in a high

826
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: sea state, adding about a hundred eighty pounds the top

827
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: weight to the top of your mask. While you were

828
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: securing that jim boo. When I was like, okay, this

829
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: is dangerous, you got thrown. You guys got thrown overboard

830
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: at one point where where the nose died into a wave.

831
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: You you and your the other stars from you guys

832
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 1: were out. There's two stars froms you know in that movie.

833
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, it's like I've seen

834
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: and you guys got washed off the boat at one

835
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: point I think you were trying to secure the jib

836
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 1: or something with Joe Mainzel try put down front a storm,

837
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: and you guys pulled yourself back in. You had a

838
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: harrowing experience with pirates in the middle of the night

839
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: where a a storm basically rolled over you, the clouds

840
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: covered the moon, and I mean there's some like great

841
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: stuff in this that you had. This incredible I mean,

842
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: the only thing that didn't happen, you didn't get run

843
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: over by a tanker. It was like, I was like,

844
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: we had a couple of those close calls. You had

845
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: the Homebolt Kurt track seven miles out into the Pacific

846
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: off of Chile E and I was like, that's a

847
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: long way to be in that boat because what was that?

848
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: What was the boat? And in the video, dude, it

849
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: just looks like a bathtub on those ways. I mean,

850
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: it is such a spec The drone foot that you

851
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: guys had was great, um, because I was like, this

852
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: gut to be drowning foots a drone the Flying Mother.

853
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: You guys run out of food, you run out of water, Um,

854
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: you gotta you had a You did a go fund

855
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: me when you were basically stranded, and gosh, you raised

856
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: your goal in like a week. People through the money.

857
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: People were at you there to help you get you know,

858
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: to keep your going. It was really there was really

859
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: an incredible outpouring of support from the people watching you

860
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: on the journey. A lot of active duty guys contributed

861
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: to that, and then a lot of our community in

862
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: Santonio and UM College Station and UM and well met

863
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: well Med's this healthcare group. They they're one of our

864
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: big sponsors as well. That's that was one of the

865
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: coolest moments of the triple seeing everybody kind of come

866
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: together and realized that this needed to be done. You

867
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: need to be talked about. You have a pt you

868
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: have a PTSD diagnosis. I'm assuming with the v A.

869
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you probably also have some disability because of

870
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: your back also with the v A. Do you want

871
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: to talk about a little bit about dealing with the

872
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: VA and how that experience has been, any anything you

873
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: can tell people about listens learning about things that they did.

874
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: I don't know have anything good to say about the

875
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: VA if you're looking for that. That was part of

876
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: the problem. Man. Whenever I got to Pensacola, M and

877
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: I started going through all this and I had a problem.

878
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: I went to the v A and I checked in

879
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: and I saw a psychiatrist and UM diagnosed me and said, well,

880
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: the next time we can get you in is in

881
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: four or six months, and I was like, I've told

882
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: her in that moment, I was like, what the hell

883
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: am I gonna do myself in four six months? For real? Well,

884
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen? You know? Um? So I left, Dude,

885
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: I got out of there, and VA is not gonna help,

886
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, we gotta do this ourselves. And and kind

887
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: of not related, but that's kind of what I think.

888
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: When you see all these nonprofits popping up to stop

889
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: energy side PTSD, it's not because they want to do

890
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: it's because there's a need, because guys who killed themselves

891
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 1: and nothing's being done because there's a six month weight

892
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: at the VA to get help. Uh. I think that

893
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: says it in itself. How how much the VA is lacking.

894
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's the people that worked there.

895
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: People that I worked that I worked with are awesome,

896
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 1: are great. It's overwhelmed, man. They got there's nineteen million

897
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: veterans in the States. How many of the A stations

898
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: are there. It's ridiculous solutions around the country and they

899
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: don't seem to be able to see anybody, which is like,

900
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: how what are they doing? Still? I have that in Houston, Dude.

901
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: It's one of the big ones. I went to Houston,

902
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: like for my back. For instance, I went to I

903
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: know where just bitching. Now. I don't hate doing this,

904
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: but I think guys they get out. So I went

905
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: to get a m r A Um, I think the

906
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: Baky down downtown Houston, and they said, okay, you can

907
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: come up with three months while I have opening for you. Okay,

908
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: So so I don't. I don't want to go already, right,

909
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: Samantha UM just telling me. She's like, you need to go,

910
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: and you go get it. Um, yeah, sorry, And you

911
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: know she's she doesn't want to pushing me to go

912
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: to v A. I don't want to work with the

913
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: v A because it's always been a negative experience. So like, okay, fine,

914
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: all right, I'll go get a set up. I'll go

915
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: go through the process. They're like, okay, three months, got

916
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: you That day comes, dude, well there was the day

917
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: before I was supposed to go. I get a letter

918
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: and mail it says my employments canceled for no reason.

919
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: He just says, applotment's canceled. I've been waited for three months.

920
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 1: Go to say, um, there was no explanation or anything.

921
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: So I haven't I haven't tried again since then. Um,

922
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 1: it's a it's a mess. So that's why I'm pretty adamant.

923
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: I'm doing this ourselves and taking care of guys ourselves,

924
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: and then it needs to be done because there's a

925
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: lot of guys like that that just getting pushed under

926
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: and not get any help. There's a suddinly the things

927
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: that veterans are the guys who should be doing that,

928
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: because yeah, because we have an insight into this, that's

929
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: that's very different than the especially when you've experienced I

930
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: gotta make a confession. And we talked about this a

931
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: bit before the break, but when I was in the military,

932
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: PTSD existed and we did not um acknowledge it for

933
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: what it was, and it was downplayed. You were living

934
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: in a culture in which you just couldn't say no

935
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: to things. You didn't show any fear, you didn't balk

936
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: at anything, You charged straight ahead and whatever the challenge was,

937
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: you went after it. And if somebody, if somebody got

938
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: a little um a wobble, as we used to say, um,

939
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: we looked at that as being well, the guy just

940
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: can't hack. And that's that's still a problem today. And

941
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: it's not about weakness it's about. And then I told

942
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: you I I had nightmares for a couple of months

943
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: after I got it was a recurring nightmare of the

944
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: aircraft crashing in the water and I couldn't get out

945
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: and I would wake up. I never knew that to

946
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: be what I thought it was. I mean, I never

947
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: knew what it was. I just knew I'd had these

948
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: nightmares and I didn't shuffle them and drink a little

949
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: harder about your motorcycle a little faster, and I hope

950
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: it doesn't come back. And then it did. Subsided And

951
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: about twenty years later, somebody sent me a video very

952
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: very hard landing of a helicopter in bad weather and

953
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: I had a full blown, cold, sweat, heart racing, short

954
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: dis breath. Thought I was having a heart attack and

955
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: didn't know what it us, and then realized what it was.

956
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: I was having a flashback to that experience. My body

957
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: was reacting to the video as if I was going

958
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: through the experience again, and it was very disorienting for

959
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: about two minutes while I thought what is happening? And

960
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: the way I got through is I kept watching the

961
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: video over and over and over to sort of like

962
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: make it go away, and I would each time the

963
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: symptoms would get lower and lower and lower to where

964
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: I can watch it now without this lump in my

965
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: chest and this fear, because you do you feel it.

966
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: I could feel myself in that aircraft trying to make

967
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: that landing and thinking you're gonna die. This is not

968
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: going to go well, and they're filming it, so you're

969
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: gonna die and it's going to be a movie. Um.

970
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: And now I have a different appreciation for for PTSD.

971
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: But there is a culture. It's not just in It's

972
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: not just in civil society where people don't say a

973
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: lot of times in the military, we don't understand it either.

974
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: We see it right in front of us, and and

975
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: we don't They don't react properly to it. We don't

976
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: get these guys help and treatment. Um. I want to

977
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: go into something else here, because you know, standing on

978
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: the outside as a spectator in your life public life,

979
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: now you have a very public life. The movie Hell

980
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: of High Water is brutally honest. I mean, you're not

981
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: holding anything back. It's very very personal and even intimate.

982
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: I feel like I know you, even though I don't, um,

983
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: but I do know what it's like. To be you

984
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: in the context being a rescued and getting out of

985
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: the Navy is a journey from military serrespect to surveillan life.

986
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: And as I watched that movie in the aftermath of

987
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: what happened, I see you like going from I'm going

988
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: to drink this bottle of tequil and shoot myself to

989
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: I've sailed the Horn of Africa. I have a successful

990
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: foundation to help other metrics. I'm married, I have a

991
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 1: two year old daughter. Dude, you you've you've made the journey.

992
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: You're you're back. Do you feel that way? Do you

993
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: feel like you're back? I want to live in this

994
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: world again. I'm for sure. I still have my days.

995
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: That's that's uh, that's I don't think that's gonna go away.

996
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: But I know that this world's worth living in again.

997
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: And I learned that on the trip. And that's why

998
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: I started the Sailing Foundation because I want other guys

999
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: to see that. But when you live in those storms

1000
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: and then you see sunrise come out, or you go

1001
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: hike some glacier that nobody's ever seen before in their life,

1002
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: makes you want to live, makes you want to be

1003
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: a part of this world again. I found that out

1004
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: there so well. Now you get that. Now you get

1005
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: that two year old man right, and to her, you

1006
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: are the world. You know, you are the world. Yeah, No,

1007
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: I gotta say I know. I gotta say that. So

1008
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: much of the coverage of post traumatic stress disorder and

1009
00:51:55,400 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: veterans issues is about the guys who die, and but

1010
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: I think there needs to be more emphasis placed on

1011
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: the guys who live, the guys who walk up to

1012
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: the edge of that cliff and decide not to step

1013
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: off of it, turn their lives around and get on

1014
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: with living and make the best of their lives. And

1015
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: I think given the challenges and struggles that that you've

1016
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: dealt with, I wish I could shake your hand and

1017
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: give your best, because you've you're doing it. Man. You

1018
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: step back away and you're you're on the right, you're

1019
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: back on course again. Rights that you're out of that

1020
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: duld room, and you've got a purpose and meaning, you've

1021
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: got wind in your sales again, and you've got a

1022
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: sense of direction and purpose back in your life. And

1023
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: so many guys don't get that. And you see him,

1024
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, sitting in their garage just drinking beer and

1025
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: not living, and you're out there getting after it, and

1026
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: you know from from one sword or another man, I'm

1027
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: just like, you're doing a good thing. You're doing great

1028
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: and I'm proud of I'm proud of what you've been

1029
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: able to do, what you've been able to accomplish. And

1030
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: I think there's more there for you. I think there's

1031
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: more coming from you. Um we I'll get you a

1032
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: link to high Mountain Heroes. We did a documentary on

1033
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: quick Guys in the Alps, very similar to the same

1034
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: kind of experiences for the same reasons you know about

1035
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: reconnecting to living again through through nature. So uh, I

1036
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: don't want to keep it too long. I know your

1037
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 1: daughter is napping, she's gonna pop any minute, and started

1038
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 1: saving off. I just want to say what a pleasure

1039
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,479
Speaker 1: that has been to um to talk with you today.

1040
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: And I hope our hope, our readers come away with

1041
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: a better understanding of who you are. And it's just

1042
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: really had to PTSD and how to come back from

1043
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: that and how to rearrange your life find that redirected

1044
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: purpose towards living. Don't be one of those twenty two.

1045
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: Be one of the tens of thousands like Taylor who's

1046
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 1: who's back on course. Again and sailing into a nice

1047
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: into a nice southerly tack. I want us to stay

1048
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: in touch. I want us to say in touch. And

1049
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: you have an open vitation from me as editor in

1050
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: chief if you want to write anything for us, we'd

1051
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: be we'd be happy to publish it all right on man,

1052
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah Houston, right, yeah, I will. I have your email

1053
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: on your your cell phone. UM, I've got your stuff.

1054
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: I'll make sure you get a free UM hook up

1055
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: with software UM as well so that you can you

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Speaker 1: can be Yeah, and when that tequila arrives, let us

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Speaker 1: know how we can you know, get a boller too

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Speaker 1: it if I get one for me, I want you

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Speaker 1: once you to sign it for me. Definitely it'll be

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Speaker 1: it'll be a trophy edition from us, definitely. So ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, we're going to complete the broadcast today. This

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Speaker 1: is Software Radio. I am your stand in host, Shaun

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Speaker 1: Spoon's editors in chief of Software and on behalf of

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Speaker 1: all of us here. We just want to thank Taylor

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Speaker 1: again for coming his fine movie, UM Hell of high

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Speaker 1: Water available. I'm sorry, Hell of high Seas come. Hell

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Speaker 1: of high Water is the phrase you know, never high sees.

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Speaker 1: There's a website. Hella, I see dot com. It's a

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Speaker 1: beautiful movie. You really have to see this. Um and

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Speaker 1: what's this? What's this very personal journey of a veteran

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Speaker 1: coming out of a military service and reconnecting back with

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Speaker 1: his life and his humanity, which is the other thing

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Speaker 1: I think you you really found out there too, is

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Speaker 1: your sense of company. So congratulations on your fine film

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Speaker 1: and your progress here coming out of the services, you

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Speaker 1: transition back to civilian life, your beautiful family, and uh,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait till we get a chance to talk again.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome here anytime, Me too. Man, this is a great,

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Speaker 1: great chat. Thank you for having me. It's really cool.

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Speaker 1: Thank you use them listening to self reply M