WEBVTT - Thoughts About Christian Celebrities 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:13.319 What's up, guys, Welcome back to the podcast. A couple 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.479 things I want to discuss today. First, a conversation I 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:19.480 want to have ant Man's with me, producer of this podcast, 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:24.560 and I want to talk about fame and what that means. 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:28.720 If anyone is listening that's maybe aspiring to be famous 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:33.960 or wondering is it healthy to be famous or is 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:36.680 it okay to be famous? I kind of want to 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.720 run down that road and speak to that, and I 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:42.440 might have some things that are not what you think 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:45.159 I'm going to say, maybe, And then we're going to 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.239 finish the podcast after that with answering your questions. You 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:54.160 could email me podcast at grangersmith dot com. Podcast at 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:58.720 grangersmith dot com. We're gonna have this conversation like we're 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:02.600 just sitting in the cabin a truck, this you and I. 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:04.040 In fact, that's what kind of what we're doing right 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:07.520 now yet except for we're sitting in a podcast. But 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:11.640 you you are great at these kind of conversations because 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:15.360 you get them going for me. Okay, you you have 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:17.800 a good way of cultivating like you do on After 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:19.000 Midnight or this podcast. 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:22.240 It's usually a random text or voice message. Is how 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:24.640 the conversations most of the time, and then you can 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:26.880 respond when you have time, and then I respond back 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:29.720 when I have time. So now we're just consolidated. Put 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:30.640 it all on this podcast. 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:31.080 That's right. 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:32.120 See if it works the same. 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:36.360 Yeah, So once again, that email is podcast at grangersmith 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:42.479 dot com. Fame. I've had three separate conversations about fame 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:47.800 in the last two weeks. The first one, I should 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:50.080 go backwards because the first one's going to reveal everything. 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.800 Let me go backwards, Okay. The most recent one is 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:59.280 a some dear brothers friends of mine that are just 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:00.520 now signing a deal. 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:05.400 Oh really, So they're at the beginning of where you've 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.520 you've been there it was what twenty years ago, fifteen 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:09.639 years or twenty years was? 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:13.840 Well, there's been several times at several beginnings for me. 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:18.560 The pub first publishing deal I was twenty years old, okay, 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:23.920 first record deal was I was thirty four. 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:25.320 Okay. 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:31.000 So these guys are just now signing, and they're asking me, Hey, 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:35.119 I need some counsel on this. How can I maintain 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:39.079 my life as a father with young children, as a husband, 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.639 as a Christian, as a member of our church. How 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.120 could I do all this if things go as well 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.640 as this record label wants them to go, basically what 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:51.959 they're asking. Okay, the second conversation I had, and I'll 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.360 go back to that, But the second conversation I had 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:59.320 is the middle conversation was in I'm not going to 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.520 name this. It was in a state where I was speaking, 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:06.560 and I spoke to a young girl who is in 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:10.840 the Christian music industry and she is in a place 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.120 where things are starting to really pop for her. It's 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.880 not like she just signed a deal, but she is 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:17.680 now she's been with this label for a little bit 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.160 and things are like really looking good. They're wanting to 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:24.080 make her collab with all these different people. And she 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:30.160 is with her husband backstage at an event I spoke at, 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:34.640 and she's saying, I need some council because things are 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:35.640 accelerating quickly. 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:40.600 She's got one that's starting, one that's in middle ish, yeah, 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:41.240 of her career. 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.200 And then the first conversation, the catalyst to all of this, 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.520 it really made me think about it was I was 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:53.640 speaking to a group of pastors in another state, and 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:58.640 after I spoke, in fact, in fact, what I spoke 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:02.480 about was John three point thirty, which is John the 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:07.839 Baptist saying he must increase and I must decrease talking 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:12.760 about Jesus, John the Baptist talking about Jesus, and there 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:17.679 is this there's this idea that in twenty twenty four, 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.719 how do we actually live that out? How do we 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:25.760 possibly live out? He must increase and I must decrease 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.560 in a world where we need to have a successful 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:34.360 podcast and it's a successful radio show and a successful platform, 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:38.040 and the widgets that we sell need to be we 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.640 need to be selling more of those widgets, and we 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:43.880 need to be always see growth in order to see 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:48.120 growth that's tied directly with our success, and success is 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:52.400 usually tied directly to how well people like us, and 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.480 how well and how big a deal we make of ourselves. 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:01.920 I think, though, to the track of fas can also 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:06.520 coincide with a conversation with someone who is middle management 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:10.520 trying to get to upper management, or someone who's entry 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.080 level trying to go to the next level. Sure, because 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:17.400 it all ties back to a lot of the same thoughts, Sure, 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:21.760 the same intentions. I mean, more times than not, when 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.360 you start off, you're getting paid minimum wage or less, 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.400 and the ambition is that I'm going to make more money, 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:29.880 and that I'm going to do better for me and 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:34.120 do better for my family. And so the conversation is 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:40.239 really the same whether you're making literal widgets or you're 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.160 walking on a stage somewhere. 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:44.320 Same conversation. So here's here's kind of the reference that 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.240 I use at that pastor's conference to speak to what 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:50.960 you just said. This is in the Book of Psechariah, 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:59.920 chapter four, starting in verse six. It says this. Then 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.159 he said to me, this is the word of the 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:08.600 Lord Toud's Zerebeble, not by might nor by power, but 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:12.640 by my spirit, says the Lord of Host. Who are you, 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:16.479 o great mountain? Before zerebebyle you shall become a plain, 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:20.000 and he shall bring forward the topstone amidst shouts of 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.160 grace grace to it. Then the word of the Lord 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.839 came to me. This is Zechariah speaking, saying, the hands 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:30.360 of Zerebebel have laid the foundation of this house. His 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.680 hands shall also complete it. Then you will know that 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:35.880 the Lord of Host has sent me to you. For 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:40.320 whoever has despised the day of small things shall rejoice 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.240 and shall see the plumb line in the hand of Zerebebel. 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:49.360 So what's happening here is Zerebebel is the king of Israel, 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:55.240 and he's a much lesser king because the exiles have 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.799 returned from Babylon and they're rebuilding the temple. 0:06:58.960 --> 0:06:59.360 Got it. 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:04.440 So as they're rebuilding the temple, all the old men 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:08.680 of Israel, they saw the old temple in all of 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:14.440 its glory, at Solomon's Temple, just incredible structure. They watch Zerubebile, 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:19.240 the new king, start to bring people together and start 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.800 to rebuild it. They literally see it and cry. They 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:27.320 literally weep, and we see in Ezra they're weeping so 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:29.480 loud that it's it just as loud as the people 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.640 shouting for joy is the weeping. And they're weeping because 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:37.840 it looks so pathetic, and they're going, I remember the 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:42.240 temple was incredible, and now it's this. How pathetic is this? 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:45.960 And God is saying, Zeubebil, my king will do it. 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.360 And all the people who have despised the day of 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:52.520 small things shall rejoice when they see what this is 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:53.040 going to be. 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:53.800 Oh wow. 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:58.680 And I read that one day and I thought, oh man, Lord, 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:02.680 I'm the guy that has despised the day of small 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:06.680 things for so long. I want big things. I want. 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:09.960 I want instant results. I want things. I want things 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:14.840 to look good and to look complete and build and grow, 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.280 and I want platforms to grow, and I want everyone 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:20.160 to go look at all the big things. And sometimes, 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.520 in fact, a lot of times, God just works with 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:24.960 the small things and he goes, this is the way 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:28.080 I do it. Like earlier, he says, not by might 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.520 nor by power, but by my spirit. That's how I'm 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.800 gonna do it. Sometimes I build things small, and the 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:36.560 small things end up taking over everything. 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:38.440 So that's so good. 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.120 I spoke to the pastors, and I was talking. I 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.640 was hopefully trying to encourage some of the pastors that 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:47.720 might be thinking, I don't have this podcast, I don't 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:51.800 have a thousand followers on Instagram. I don't have a 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:55.440 big church. I don't I don't have the kind of 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:58.120 personality that could hold a radio show in my local town. 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.080 I don't have a lot of things. I guess I'm 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:05.760 a failed pastor. I guess I'm insufficient for pastoring flock. 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:09.080 And I wanted to say I wanted to speak to 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:12.600 those men, and I wanted to say God says, not 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:16.680 necessarily because the reason I say it that way is 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:20.400 because of course God can grow those kind of things, 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.840 and it's incredible. With Moses, he gave him a voice 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:26.080 like Moses like, I can't speak God, how could I 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.520 do it? I don't speak God goes who made your mouth? 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.199 So he can do it. But he also could build 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:36.720 a small temple that looks puny compared to the old one, 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:39.440 and that's actually a big thing. So I kind of 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.000 just want to I wanted to comfort people and say, look, 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.560 wherever you are, where the wherever God has called you. 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.840 It doesn't because you might not be big, doesn't That 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:53.560 does not mean necessarily that it's insufficient at all. After 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.080 I finished, and this is where I'm going with this, 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:59.679 a pastor stands up, raises his hand. He says, I 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:01.600 got a question because I opened it up for questions 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:03.480 after whole Q and A yeah, And guy says, I 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.320 got a question. I have some people in my congregation 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:12.520 that want to be famous in the Christian contemporary Christian industry. 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:16.640 How do I counsel them as a pastor? And I said, 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:21.200 tell them it's not possible. And the whole room goes, 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:25.440 oh you just like it felt like I punched everyone 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.319 in the gut at the same time, and there were 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:34.080 and it was almost like everyone knew that was the 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:36.679 right answer, but no one ever wants to say it 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:40.320 out loud because that's like hurting the American dream, and 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:44.040 that's that's you know, that might be offensive to someone 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.000 that actually wants to build up a big music career 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.400 for the for the glory of God, because God gave 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:53.280 them a musical talent that should be shared with the masses. 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:59.040 And to that, I say, not necessarily. He can, and 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:03.160 he does and he will, but not always. It doesn't 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:06.160 mean that we we if we're if our motivation is 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:09.679 I want to be famous so that I give God glory, 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:14.160 then that's the wrong motivation because he does it. 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:15.199 It's also in the wrong. 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:16.600 Order and in the wrong order. 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.160 Yeah, because it starts with you. If it has to 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:22.400 be you being famous, and listen, I'll be honest, I'm 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:23.920 talking myself through this right now. 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:26.960 I know you are. We've had this discussion. That's kind 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:28.800 of why we're doing this on this podcast. 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.720 So if you start with you, it's already in the 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:35.520 wrong order. I become famous then I can bring more 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:36.559 glory to him. 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:40.240 Yeah, well that's backwards, and God says, oh, did you 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:41.120 think I needed. 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:46.040 Glory, you know, in case you had had noticed, if 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:49.920 you if he's already way bigger than you could ever imagine. 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:53.240 Yeah, he doesn't need No, he doesn't any glory. He 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:53.839 doesn't need. 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.600 So trying to find a way to stick yourself into 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.560 the plan that's out of order with how he has 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:00.720 you in his plan. 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:05.320 Yes, God, and here in Zachariah, God doesn't need glory 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:09.720 from a temple. He doesn't need any glory period from man. 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:15.360 But in his providence, he invites us to join in 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:19.400 on his plans for some strange reason that we can't 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.040 even begin to understand why. The creator of the universe 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:27.959 invites measley man to join in to share in his plan. 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:30.440 And that's what he's doing here in Zachariah. And this 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.880 is this is what he does with people that have talent. 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.080 This is what he does with pastors, This is what 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.880 he does with the flock, This is what he does 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.840 with with a lot of people, a lot of faithful people. 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.480 He invites them in to join in on it. But 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:45.439 by no means would we ever think that we are 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.360 doing it so that we can bring him more glory 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:52.360 or more money for a bigger charity. Oh, I'm gonna 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:55.120 I'm gonna raise so much money for you God, And 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:56.960 this is all this money is gonna be able to 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:57.920 help your people so. 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.040 Much because you wouldn't be able to do it without. 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:02.840 Because God, you certainly can't do it without me. And 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.480 God goes, I don't need your money, Yep, I got 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:09.280 cattle on a thousand hills. I don't need your glory. 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:14.760 I've got enough glory and some reason. We do this 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.360 as ambitious humans. And so that's why I say to 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:20.360 that pastor, you could counsel them by saying, I don't 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:25.440 think it's possible to seek to be famous and be 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:30.200 a faithful Christian. I could, and I could divide that 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.680 in two different ways. And this is the same conversation 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:35.080 I had in that hallway with the girl. And this 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:36.880 is the same conversation I had with the guys that 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.400 were texting me that just signed the record deal, because 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.720 I don't want to waste their time and sugarcoat it 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.480 when this is what I have come up with in 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.439 my own quiet time, and by no means in my 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.040 saying this is right, but I'm saying I've divided this 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:54.360 in my mind. Throw a lot of thought into two 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.800 different categories. One is the practical and one is the spiritual. 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.680 The practical way that I believe you can't seek to 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:07.000 be famous and be a faithful Christian. Practically, you need 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.520 to be in church on Sunday morning with your family. 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:13.520 You need to be connected to the body. And by 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:18.040 being practically just gone on tour, you have broken away 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:22.080 from the most practical side of being a Christian connected 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:24.760 to the body, and you can't get that back by 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:28.680 just watching online. You can't get it back by starting 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:32.440 a little worship group wherever in whatever city you're in, 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.240 or you can't get it back by joining the local 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:38.120 church service in the city you're in. You could do 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:41.560 that occasionally, and that's say you take a vacation and 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.800 you go to Florida with your family and you go 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.920 check out the local church on a Sunday. Great. But 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.720 if at least that's not the norm, that's a vacation. 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.480 But if it becomes the norm, which it would if 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:56.760 you're a touring artist and most Sundays, most Saturday nights, 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:00.560 you're out, and so most Sundays you're gone. Can't make 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:04.520 up for this because church is not how we consume it. 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:08.760 Otherwise it would all be online. Church is us consuming 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.560 and participating. It's we're members of the body, so we 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:16.200 function as a body. Like a hand can't say to 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.000 the eye, why am I not an eye? Why can't 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.680 I not see? And the eye says, I need a hand. 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.320 The body needs each other and all the members of 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.280 the body. That's who we are in the Body of Christ. 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:29.280 Do me a favor real quick. Can you take me 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.760 back to when you were playing your guitar on the 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:35.360 edge of your bed, when you're a kid and you're 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:40.880 thinking about could this turn into a career? Were you 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:42.120 thinking about being famous? Then? 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.520 No, no, I never really thought about, man, it'd be 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.560 cool to be famous. I did think, man, it'd be 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:51.760 cool to play a song in front of a lot 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:52.280 of people. 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.240 But I think it was more of a famous part didn't 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:55.680 come in there. 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.040 It wasn't necessarily famous. Every I think everyone really knows 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:03.000 deep down famous is bad because the more famous you are, 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.080 the less freedom you have in this world. I think 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:09.640 we recognize that at all levels like them. At the 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:12.000 very end of Elvis's life, he couldn't even be around 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.040 in the daylight, right, He had to travel it in 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:14.560 the middle of. 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:16.520 The night because he'd be swamped. 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.160 And Michael Jackson, you know, you think of like the 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.720 uber famous people. I don't think anyone actually wants that. 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.200 But what we do want is, but I would like 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:28.520 to play a song I just wrote in front of 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:32.200 a whole lot of people and they sing it back. Yeah, 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.560 because that's there's an energy to that that I want 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:39.520 to be part of that energy. That's really neat to 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:41.760 be able to to be able to do this not 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.040 just once a month, but to do it every night. 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:46.800 That's cool that it takes a certain level of fame 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.040 to be able to play the music every night, not 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:54.520 just once a year. What's also interesting is that there's 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:58.880 a great documentary and it's it's on the PBS channel 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.680 on country music. It's kin Burns, which I love. I 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.240 love kin Burns documentaries, but there's one on country music. 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:09.920 And you know, like being a famous musician, it's it's 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:14.040 still maybe not even one hundred years old in the 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:17.359 in the span of the life of humanity, that's true, 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:21.680 being a famous musician is less than one hundred years old. 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:25.959 And think about who have you just mentioned? Elvis, yeah, Garth. 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:31.800 Now today you've got you know, Luke Holmes and Morgan Wallen. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:32.119 there's not. 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:34.160 We don't have a big housan. We don't have data 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.280 points something exactly, but we do know that here's what 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:38.760 we do, and we don't have data points on what's 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:40.639 it like to be famous and how well does that? 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:42.800 How well can you do? But we do know that 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.879 for thousands of years before that, people were perfectly happy 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:49.800 performing music on a front porch or in a small 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:53.080 setting under an oak tree. And everyone brought an instrument, 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:58.040 a banjo, a mandolin, a guitar, and everyone's saying, and 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.639 someone led it because someone was the better fiddle player, 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:04.920 so that better fiddle player led the group. Yeah, And 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:08.000 people gathered around and brought their instruments. And we do 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:11.960 know that there was no greater joy in a stadium 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.480 than there was right under that oak tree playing the 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.320 fiddle with the group of people, and they just thought, 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.240 I love music, and this is everyone's in on this, 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:23.199 and we're playing and we're singing. This feels great. That 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:26.959 that is not better or worse than the stadium was it? 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:31.400 But so if it's not, If fame, if people are 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:35.160 starting to recognize that fame is not necessarily a great thing, 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.160 you can't you know, if you're really up there, you 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.200 have to play in your trips and where you go 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.040 and how you go, and if you want to go 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:42.840 to Disney, you've got to have a personal less court 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:44.640 or you have to rent out the whole place. Things 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:46.960 like that. Is it money? 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:55.240 I didn't think about money either. Money No, as a kid, 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.159 like getting into music, I didn't think about fame or money. 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.600 I just thought playing music every night to a lot 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:03.720 of people would be really cool, and a tour bus 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:05.920 would be great. It takes money to get a tour bus, sure, 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:09.920 but but there's a lot better ways to make money. 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.399 There's a there's a lot more practical ways to make money. 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:14.840 Like uh, I would say, go get a loan and 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.520 get a dump truck. There you go it start a 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.639 concrete there's those concrete guys are crushing it, you know. 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.239 So like if you if it's money, let me, let 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:26.080 me talk different ways to do there's better, more reliable 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:31.159 ways to make money. There is no other way to 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:33.160 play music in front of a lot of people than 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:35.960 if you are famous. There's there's no other way to 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:40.960 do that. So so that's the practical side, right, You 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.480 got to miss church, you're you're away from your family. 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:46.679 Even if you say no, my family travels with me, 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.159 they can't go all the time. And if they do 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:51.600 travel with you, you're taking them away from the local body 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:55.280 church as well. So these are just the practical things. 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:57.800 And then then there's the spiritual side. There's a whole 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:01.359 different side to this, and that's the side that you 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:05.520 have to suppress. The fleshly desire that starts creeping up 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:09.399 in you that says, I think they love me. I 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:13.800 think I'm pretty good at this, and I think these 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:18.399 people need me in their life because I'm providing a 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:20.879 sense of joy. I am the source of joy for 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:24.080 these people. And you might hear this on the podcast 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:27.320 and go, well, that's stupid, But that's a real thing 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:30.879 that you have to suppress, because if you don't watch 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:33.600 that weed that's growing in the garden, if you don't 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:36.320 watch that weed as soon as it starts sprouting out 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:38.480 of the dirt and you don't pluck it, it will 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:43.480 grow and it will overpower every other little vegetable plant 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:47.440 in your garden. I promise you that thought that says 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:51.040 I am a big deal and people need me, and 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:54.080 I am their source of happiness, and joy look at me. 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:59.080 You can have that same thought and not be in 0:20:59.080 --> 0:20:59.880 front of people too. 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:04.120 Though, Absolutely you can, and that's not what this podcast 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:07.200 is about. We could do tomorrow's podcast about the athlete 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:10.840 that does the same thing true, or the CEO of 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:12.560 the business that thinks the same thing. 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:15.960 Well, and I'm thinking not even the ceo. I'm thinking 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:18.600 of like you could be and there's nothing wrong with this, 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:21.679 but you could be a janitor thinking well, these toolts 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:23.800 to be overflowing if it wasn't for me, and you 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:25.520 know a lot of sense, you would be right. But 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:27.760 because I don't think anybody else wants to do that. 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:31.920 But the thought, that thought is the seed that is wrong, 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:37.320 is that you need me. I am that important that 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:39.760 I And it really goes back to the conversation you 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:42.720 have with God. You need me to do this to 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:46.920 bring you the glory. Yeah, and it's the opposite in 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:50.480 what you do, bring me the glory, and I'll raise 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:51.520 you up and I'll tear you down. 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:56.040 Yeah, you know, I am going to the k Love 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:58.320 Award Show. Did you know this? 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:00.960 I did. I didn't know what you were doing, but 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:01.800 I knew that you were going. 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:04.480 So I'm going to the k Leve Award Show from 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:06.760 when we record this podcast. I don't know. I might 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:09.240 it might have already passed man from when we put 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:12.200 that when we release the We pre record these podcasts 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.920