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Speaker 1: What's up, guys, Welcome back to the podcast. A couple

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Speaker 1: things I want to discuss today. First, a conversation I

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Speaker 1: want to have ant Man's with me, producer of this podcast,

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Speaker 1: and I want to talk about fame and what that means.

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Speaker 1: If anyone is listening that's maybe aspiring to be famous

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Speaker 1: or wondering is it healthy to be famous or is

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Speaker 1: it okay to be famous? I kind of want to

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Speaker 1: run down that road and speak to that, and I

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Speaker 1: might have some things that are not what you think

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say, maybe, And then we're going to

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Speaker 1: finish the podcast after that with answering your questions. You

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Speaker 1: could email me podcast at grangersmith dot com. Podcast at

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Speaker 1: grangersmith dot com. We're gonna have this conversation like we're

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Speaker 1: just sitting in the cabin a truck, this you and I.

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Speaker 1: In fact, that's what kind of what we're doing right

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Speaker 1: now yet except for we're sitting in a podcast. But

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Speaker 1: you you are great at these kind of conversations because

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Speaker 1: you get them going for me. Okay, you you have

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Speaker 1: a good way of cultivating like you do on After

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Speaker 1: Midnight or this podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's usually a random text or voice message. Is how

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Speaker 2: the conversations most of the time, and then you can

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Speaker 2: respond when you have time, and then I respond back

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Speaker 2: when I have time. So now we're just consolidated. Put

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Speaker 2: it all on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: See if it works the same.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So once again, that email is podcast at grangersmith

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Speaker 1: dot com. Fame. I've had three separate conversations about fame

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Speaker 1: in the last two weeks. The first one, I should

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Speaker 1: go backwards because the first one's going to reveal everything.

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Speaker 1: Let me go backwards, Okay. The most recent one is

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Speaker 1: a some dear brothers friends of mine that are just

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Speaker 2: Oh really, So they're at the beginning of where you've

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Speaker 2: you've been there it was what twenty years ago, fifteen

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Speaker 1: Well, there's been several times at several beginnings for me.

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Speaker 1: The pub first publishing deal I was twenty years old, okay,

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Speaker 1: first record deal was I was thirty four.

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Speaker 1: So these guys are just now signing, and they're asking me, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I need some counsel on this. How can I maintain

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Speaker 1: my life as a father with young children, as a husband,

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Speaker 1: as a Christian, as a member of our church. How

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Speaker 1: could I do all this if things go as well

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Speaker 1: as this record label wants them to go, basically what

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Speaker 1: they're asking. Okay, the second conversation I had, and I'll

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Speaker 1: and things are like really looking good. They're wanting to

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Speaker 1: And then the first conversation, the catalyst to all of this,

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Speaker 1: is this there's this idea that in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: and the widgets that we sell need to be we

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Speaker 2: I think, though, to the track of fas can also

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Speaker 1: Same conversation. So here's here's kind of the reference that

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Speaker 1: chapter four, starting in verse six. It says this. Then

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Speaker 1: So as they're rebuilding the temple, all the old men

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Speaker 2: So that's so good.

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Speaker 1: Yes, God, and here in Zachariah, God doesn't need glory

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Speaker 1: But in his providence, he invites us to join in

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Speaker 1: being on a radio show. I'm protected more so from

436
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: it because I don't see the reaction from people I

437
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: do the radio show, and I don't like it. We're

438
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: in this room right now. I don't see people with

439
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: their hands up crying. I don't see them at a

440
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: meet and greet going my favorite, you're my favorite human,

441
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 1: You're my idol. I heard that word all the time

442
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 1: in meet and greets. You're my idol. I don't see

443
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: that hit you differently literal, Yeah, yeah, it did hit

444
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: me differently later on, So I don't see that instant reaction.

445
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: But I still don't get me wrong. I have to

446
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: protect myself as an author, as a podcaster, as a

447
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: radio host, I have to protect myself in so many

448
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 1: as a speaker, as a preacher, Oh man, that might

449
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 1: be the most dangerous space for me to go up

450
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: on a stage and preach and start to think that

451
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: it's about me. So that's what I hate about preaching,

452
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: and that's what I love about it, because the part

453
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Speaker 1: I love is I'm going in with a word from

454
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: the Bible. So it's this is the word. I'm going

455
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: to use this word, and I'm the point of this

456
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: word is the point of my message today, not my point,

457
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: that's not my ideas. And so I love that. And

458
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,479
Speaker 1: what I hate about it is there's such a grave

459
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: responsibility that I don't want to slip up and need

460
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: attention for myself. I usually pray almost every time in

461
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: front of people, not just behind the stage, but in

462
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Speaker 1: front of people. When I start my message, I usually

463
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 1: pray something like Lord humble me. Don't let me seek

464
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Speaker 1: the approval of these men and women that I so

465
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Speaker 1: desperately want because I want them to like me. I

466
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: feel it creeping up in my gut right now. I want.

467
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: I want to say something or do something that they

468
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: go I like him because I crave people to like me. Lord,

469
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: will you suppress that, You push that down where you

470
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: let me resist that, so that your word comes through,

471
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: Truth comes through, even if it contradicts the feeling that

472
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: if I say this people won't like me anymore. Let

473
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Speaker 1: me just tell him the truth, regardless of who likes

474
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Speaker 1: me or not the approval of man. Will you suppress

475
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Speaker 1: that so I make sure that that's my prayer and

476
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: it needs to always be there because because I'm like

477
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: the guy this is a horrible example. Let me just

478
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: use it right, This is a graphic example. But I'm

479
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,239
Speaker 1: like the guy that used to be in porn and

480
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: now I struggle with intimacy with my wife. Okay, so

481
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: that I used to be the entertainer that needed the fame,

482
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 1: and so now I struggle with the intimacy of actually

483
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Speaker 1: being on a stage in front of a lot of

484
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Speaker 1: people and giving the word of God. So I need

485
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Speaker 1: to constantly be thinking and protecting myself. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very much so.

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Speaker 1: So if I might have said some things, I realized

488
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Speaker 1: that I might have said some like sound bites or

489
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Speaker 1: little small clips that could be taken out of context.

490
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Speaker 1: Please don't take Please don't take one sentence I said

491
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Speaker 1: out of the last third forty minutes and say Granger

492
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: says that he hates all Christian country artists and that

493
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Speaker 1: they're all, you know, sinning or something like that. That's

494
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Speaker 1: not what I'm saying. Let me finalize this by saying

495
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Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. I don't see a way necessarily.

496
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use that word for the third time. I

497
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 1: don't see away necessarily because I couldn't do it, that

498
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: anyone else can be successful with it. But there might

499
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: be maybe someone is stronger, has a stronger will and

500
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: a deeper devotion that they can resist all of that

501
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: fame and say no, I'm only doing this because the

502
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: Lord gave me a talent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I think that that. I know we

504
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: need to need to jump here pretty quick, but the

505
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: at least on this topic. But I think that that's

506
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:51,959
Speaker 2: the key is the order, the order of how you

507
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 2: present this. It's me being famous so I can do

508
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 2: more for you, and that is and I think we

509
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: probably just talked through that game realization the longer we talked.

510
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 2: But if your order and he appoints you to that,

511
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 2: that's different. If you're doing it, you're already working in

512
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 2: your church and you're already doing that, and you're getting

513
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: these opportunities pray about those. Hey, if it takes me

514
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 2: away from this, I'm not sure that that's right for me.

515
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Speaker 2: If I can do that but still be everything that

516
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: he's asked me to be locally, that's a different story.

517
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Speaker 2: I'm in a different conversation.

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Speaker 1: Have you read these amend I did read these, I

558
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Speaker 1: haven't touched them real quick, there's got to be a

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Speaker 1: part two to the fame first half.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, things we talked about before. I think we touched

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Speaker 2: on half of one of them. Yeah, this is a

562
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Speaker 2: whole old slimbit these They had great emails that continue

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Speaker 2: to come in, So.

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Speaker 1: Let's see what they said for reading those. Subject line

565
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Speaker 1: here says I declared my intentions and asked her out

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Speaker 1: on a date. She gave me a vague response. Hey Granger,

567
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Speaker 1: I'm twenty nine years old. She is thirty two years old.

568
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Speaker 1: We're both in the same local church and the same

569
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Speaker 1: ministry team. I declared my intentions to her and asked

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Speaker 1: her out for a coffee date. She gave me a

571
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Speaker 1: vague response, no clear no on that response or rejection,

572
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: but at the same time, no clear yes from her either.

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Speaker 1: After I declared my intentions, I love how he keeps

574
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Speaker 1: saying that to her and asked her out. After two weeks,

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Speaker 1: we had a conversation, a casual conversation. It's just me

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Speaker 1: initiating a conversation with her and how she's been basically

577
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: small talk. She was friendly in a response and not

578
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Speaker 1: really the best conversation I've had with her, but overall

579
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: it went well. She did not like scene zone with me.

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Speaker 2: What does that mean I do? I even explained there

581
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: that I have no I left it in there. Sometimes

582
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: I edit them just to make them flow and still

583
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,719
Speaker 2: get the gist of it. I had to leave this

584
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: in here just to see if you could understand what.

585
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Speaker 1: I don't know. She did not like scene zone me,

586
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: scene zone me.

587
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: I want to say, maybe friend zone me.

588
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, And so we had and so then he

589
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: continues on, I'm still continuing on praying to God about

590
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Speaker 1: this about what my next action is. But yeah, I

591
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: don't know what to do next. If I should wait

592
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Speaker 1: on her to make a decision about how she really

593
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: feels about me, or if I should pursue her still

594
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: or just move on. We will need biblical and godly

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00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: advice on this. I appreciate your thoughts and advice on

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00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: this situation. Thanks, Hans. All Right, Hans, let me recap

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Speaker 1: for my own brain here twenty nine. She's thirty two. Interesting,

598
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Speaker 1: she's three years older. Ministry team. That's kind of sounds

599
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: a little Fleetwood macish to me. What do you mean

600
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: the same band?

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00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: Okay, got it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody in Fleetwood Mac like had a relationship with

603
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Speaker 1: each other. It's not what I mean, buddy, it's sorry, Hans,

604
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: bad bad music joke. So buddy that this is a

605
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: long email, which is great, detailed email, which is great.

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Speaker 1: But it's just a simple thing. If you're not getting it,

607
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: it's one of only one of two things. It's one

608
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: she's just not into you, man, or two she's very

609
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: shy and doesn't really know how to react. And I

610
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: could solve both of those for you. You just got

611
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: to be direct and just go. Look. Let me be

612
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: straight up. I like you when I ask you for coffee.

613
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Speaker 1: It is not just because I think I want to

614
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Speaker 1: be your friend, and so sometimes it's guys, we have

615
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: to be very clear, we have to we have to

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Speaker 1: you said, declare intentions, but I wonder if you have

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Speaker 1: clarity in your declaration of your intentions when you say,

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Speaker 1: can we go out for coffee? I hope you're saying

619
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Speaker 1: not as a friend. I want this actually to be

620
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Speaker 1: a date. I want to take you out. I want

621
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Speaker 1: to have some coffee. But it's because I like you.

622
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Speaker 1: I'm actually attracted to you. And then give her a

623
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Speaker 1: chance to respond to that. Because you're not eighteen, you're

624
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Speaker 1: in your late twenties. She's in her early thirties. This

625
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: is time, you know, things are happening in your lives

626
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: right now, there's really not You're not going to waste

627
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Speaker 1: your time with vagueness. And so it's like, hey, I'm

628
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: interested in you. Are you interested in me? Just ask

629
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Speaker 1: her that. And if she says, you know, Hans, I

630
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: think you're great, and okay, right there, you're like, okay,

631
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. We'll continue on in

632
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: the same ministry team, which is going to be awkward,

633
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: but we got to keep doing that. But the only

634
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: other scenario is she goes yes, but I don't I've

635
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: never been in a relationship before. I don't know what

636
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: to go about, but I do like you. Okay, now

637
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: we could work with that.

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00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

639
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Speaker 1: But either way, Hans, this is just very simple.

640
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Speaker 2: I want to know what stating your intentions are.

641
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's kind of I don't think it

642
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: was enough because I think if it was enough, he

643
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't have asked us the question.

644
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: Well, and there's some confidence that should come, not because

645
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: of experience, just because of age. At some point, at

646
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 2: twenty nine thirty two, you can have a direct conversation

647
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: of hey, I mean twenty nine thirty t to find

648
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 2: you attractive and not be offended if they say no, Yeah.

649
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: It's a total thing for someone to go, Hey, can

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Speaker 1: you have coffee? It's a thing for the girl to go.

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Speaker 1: I had no idea you meant that way, right, And

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Speaker 1: le's what tell them? We got to tell them A

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Speaker 1: next question, says Hey Granger. My name is Haven, twenty

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Speaker 1: nine year old. Another twenty nine year old grew up

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Speaker 1: in Georgetown, Texas and still live in the area. I

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Speaker 1: had the pleasure of speaking to you a couple of

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Speaker 1: occasions during my few years working in the country radio scene.

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Speaker 1: I haven't had a chance to speak to ant Man yet.

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Speaker 1: I left the radio world, but still very much a

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Speaker 1: part of the country music industry since I started my

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Speaker 1: own event production company that focuses on country music festivals.

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Speaker 1: What advice do you have for me as I work

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Speaker 1: in the entertainment industry and live a life that is

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Speaker 1: Christ focused. I already will will not work with any

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Speaker 1: other acts that are not family friendly. I'm curious if

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Speaker 1: you felt that you had to leave the entertainment scene

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Speaker 1: because you view it as too much of a distraction

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Speaker 1: from the life you want to live as a Christian. Also,

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Speaker 1: if you have ever thought that you could spread God's

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Speaker 1: word to a larger audience audience if you had stayed

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Speaker 1: in the music scene. Personally, I think what you're doing

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Speaker 1: now is amazing and inspiring. Love the podcast, appreciate you

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Speaker 1: taking the time to read this. Thank you, Haven. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: great question, Haven, And look, this is critical in so

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Speaker 1: many areas. We have to remember when when you're a

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Speaker 1: Christian and you want to you want to live a

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Speaker 1: christ focused life, that doesn't mean you need to surround

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Speaker 1: yourself by only Christians. That would be a huge mistake

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Speaker 1: and Nowhere in the New Testament do we see this

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Speaker 1: is the disciples go out and the apostles go out

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Speaker 1: and they start discipling people. By nowhere do we see

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Speaker 1: them say and by the way, only hang out with Christians,

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Speaker 1: and only do Christian things, and only do if you're

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Speaker 1: gonna make pottery, make sure it's pottery with with the

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Speaker 1: cross on it.

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Speaker 2: Or who would get saved if the only people you

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Speaker 2: hung out with we're Christians.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so look, Heven, the answer really is is go

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Speaker 1: out and you work in the entertainment industry, great, do

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Speaker 1: it with honesty, do all your workings with integrity, with respect,

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Speaker 1: in honoring other image bearers of God. It doesn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: mean you have to cut out work from anyone that's

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Speaker 1: not family friendly. Not necessarily that. It depends on the environment.

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Speaker 1: If you're inviting some comedian and all he does is

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Speaker 1: drop f bombs and you've got kids in the audience,

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Speaker 1: have good discernment about that. But that you don't have

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Speaker 1: to be a Christian to do that. You could just

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Speaker 1: be a level headed human being that goes is their kid.

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Speaker 1: There's kids out here. Let's not drop the F bomb.

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Speaker 1: But you don't have to preach the gospel. Hey, I

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Speaker 1: only want to bring comedians that preach the gospel would

702
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Speaker 1: be a mistake. And so if it's a guy and

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Speaker 1: you're bringing in acts that aren't necessarily family friendly, let's

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Speaker 1: just have good discernment on that and not think so

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Speaker 1: spiritual about it. You don't have to over spiritualize everything

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Speaker 1: you do. Instead, you just work as someone with integrity,

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Speaker 1: with honor, loving serving, sharing the gospel for anyone that

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Speaker 1: asks for a reason for the hope that is in you,

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Speaker 1: and and make that money and then distribute that money

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Speaker 1: back out in the areas that you should be serving

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Speaker 1: in well.

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Speaker 2: And that could also tie back to the first half

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Speaker 2: of this podcast too, is that you ask how you

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Speaker 2: can be a Christian and do this work?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: First, is it taking you away? Yeah? You know, look

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Speaker 2: at that too, if you more so than working with

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Speaker 2: this artist, that is this or that? Look at hey,

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Speaker 2: am I doing all this stuff? So?

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Speaker 1: Sorry?

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Speaker 2: Am I doing all this stuff? In it? Is it

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Speaker 2: taking me away from my church? Taking me away?

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Speaker 1: Exactly? By the way, Haven, will you join us at

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Speaker 1: a Mais church east of East View High School? Join

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Speaker 1: us at a mass that is where we are members

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Speaker 1: and in Georgetown, Texas. I would love to have you

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Speaker 1: and we could have this conversation actually in person. There

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Speaker 1: you go on a Sunday morning, uh with with Marshall

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Speaker 1: or anybody else that's been on this podcast. Let's do that.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Moving on here, do we got?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: We got we got all kinds of time. I love that. Hey, Grangeer,

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Speaker 1: this is Donita. I'm watching from Rudy, Arkansas. I have

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Speaker 1: really been enjoying your videos from you and Amber's trip

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Speaker 1: to Israel. If you choose to do a trip like

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Speaker 1: that again, where would y'all choose to go? God bless

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Speaker 1: you and your family. Don't need it, Hey, Rudy, Hey

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Speaker 1: don't need it. From Rudy, thank you so much. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that I sometimes put out videos like that and

741
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Speaker 1: wonder if anyone watches. So I'm glad you watched. Ant

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Speaker 1: Man went with me. That was an incredible trip to Israel.

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Speaker 1: We will do you say a trip like that, I

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Speaker 1: think you mean like a mission leaning London and I

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Speaker 1: will be going. Maybe even by the time this podcast

746
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Speaker 1: comes out, we might already be gone to Latin America

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Speaker 1: for another trip London and I. But yeah, I'm happy

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Speaker 1: to be able to post stuff so that you could

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Speaker 1: see it. Donat us, So thank you for those kind words.

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Speaker 2: Anyone that has watched those two and remembers Romy, I've

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Speaker 2: been talking to Romy a little bit and pretty much

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Speaker 2: tourism has stopped. Yeah, and ask him any practically obviously

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Speaker 2: you're going to get our prayers. Romi, any practical way

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Speaker 2: I can help you, and he goes, just pray, just pray.

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Speaker 1: That's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Next question comes from Corey says, Hey Grange, I recently

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Speaker 1: found your podcast. I've been writing music since I was

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Speaker 1: about thirteen. From the time I wake up to the

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Speaker 1: time I go to sleep, I can't get music off

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Speaker 1: my mind. I've released eight singles and a music video,

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Speaker 1: completely independent, and I'm moving to Nashville to chase this dream. Oh,

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Speaker 1: you asked the question on the wrong podcast, didn't you?

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Speaker 2: Sorry?

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Speaker 1: Corey, Sorry about the everything I've said so far. Do

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Speaker 1: you have any advice for juggling family, getting a new job,

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Speaker 1: tipporarily in Nashville, I'll be attending dark Horse Institute for

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Speaker 1: Songwriting and Composition. I'm twenty nine and I've done blue

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Speaker 1: collar work since I was a freshman in high school.

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Speaker 1: How do I know if this is the path God

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Speaker 1: wants me on. I know if I put Him first

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Speaker 1: in every aspect of my life, he will light the

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Speaker 1: way for me on my journey. I'm just so nervous

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Speaker 1: that I was I'm going to crash and burn. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being an inspiration for me for so long.

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Speaker 1: Thank you God, bless brother Corey. Hey, Corey Man, interesting

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Speaker 1: podcast for this mon Yeah, man, I got it. Now

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Speaker 1: I got to say something different than I've said this

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Speaker 1: whole time. So Romans twelve twelve is a good go

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Speaker 1: to for you, Corey, And it's often just kind of

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Speaker 1: missed in life when people are starting to wonder. I'd

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Speaker 1: hope I don't crash and burn. How do I know

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Speaker 1: if I'm putting God first? Because you're right, I put

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Speaker 1: Him first in every aspect. But what does that mean practically?

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Speaker 1: And so Romans twelve to twelve do not conform to this world,

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Speaker 1: but be transformed by the renewal of your mind. How

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Speaker 1: that by testing you can discern the will of God,

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Speaker 1: what is good and acceptable and perfect? That's interesting, right?

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Speaker 1: So go read that Romans twelve two? Did I say

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Speaker 1: twelve twelve? Romans twelve to two? Go read that and

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Speaker 1: think about this. Do not be conformed with this world.

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Speaker 1: That's one thing. But be transformed by the renewal of

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Speaker 1: your mind. That's another thing. That means you don't go

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Speaker 1: with your gut, you know your art, go in my heart,

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Speaker 1: my heart, but use your mind, use your brain. Okay, Grangeer,

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Speaker 1: how do I use my brain? Or Paul Apostle, Paul,

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Speaker 1: how do I use my brain? He says, by testing,

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Speaker 1: you could test so that you can discern the will

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Speaker 1: of God for you, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. And I lived this out and and I've

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Speaker 1: lived this out in very specific ways. One was when

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Speaker 1: I was in the music business and I started feeling

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Speaker 1: outside of the will of God because I how you

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Speaker 1: and I talked about this earlier. An unsettled spirit is

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Speaker 1: one way, and Corey, I think you have that, that's

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Speaker 1: why you're emailing. But when you feel this unsettling in

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Speaker 1: the spirit and you're like, uh, oh, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if this is, like Corey said, the path God wants

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Speaker 1: me on. So you go, let me test it. Let

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Speaker 1: me test my life right now? How do you test it? Well,

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Speaker 1: put it up against the word of God. So you're

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Speaker 1: consistently reading the word of God, and you start testing.

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Speaker 1: And so this is what I did specifically in music.

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Speaker 1: I go, I think this is weird for me. Let

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Speaker 1: me test it. So I went up on stage and

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Speaker 1: tested my heart with my mind, with my brain. So

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Speaker 1: my brain is monitoring. It's like I've put my monitor

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Speaker 1: on my heart, and I go, Okay, I'm gonna watch you,

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Speaker 1: mister heart, and see how you act during this concert.

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Speaker 1: And so my brain's going okay, monitoring started. Dude, dude.

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Speaker 1: My heart goes out there, and my heart goes, why

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Speaker 1: are those people in the front row not cheering with

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Speaker 1: their hands up? What's wrong with those people? My brain goes, gotcha, yep,

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Speaker 1: just you just failed to test. Five minutes later, my

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Speaker 1: heart goes, oh, there's a bunch of seats in the back.

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Speaker 1: Last time we came to this city, we sold this

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Speaker 1: place out. What's wrong with these people? And my brain goes, dude,

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Speaker 1: gotcha yep. And this continued to happen, and I got

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Speaker 1: off and I analyzed the data that by testing, I

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Speaker 1: can discern the will of God, and I go, oh,

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Speaker 1: I failed. I'm in sin this whole concert. My heart

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Speaker 1: was in sin because I tested it against the Word

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Speaker 1: of God because I had pride, because I had these

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Speaker 1: fleshly desires. So you see what I'm trying to say, Corey,

835
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Speaker 1: is that I'm not It's not magic written in the sky,

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to be like the will of God for

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Speaker 1: our lives doesn't have to be a mystery. We could

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Speaker 1: just look at the Word of God and then test

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Speaker 1: it with our heart, with our brains, with our mind

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Speaker 1: and go, oh, that's not lining up. I'm not in

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Speaker 1: the will of God.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think I think you're Also you're putting something

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Speaker 2: there that people will talk about but not do. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and that is again pointing at myself, is that it's

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Speaker 2: just been more recent. Well, I didn't hear it at church.

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Speaker 2: I didn't read it in somebody's book. Well, I didn't

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Speaker 2: see it. Did you read it in the Word of God.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I haven't read it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's usually the answer, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know, I haven't read it.

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Speaker 1: And then then the flip side of this is when

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Speaker 1: people are struggling to make a decision, like say they

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Speaker 1: want to change jobs, like I'm in this job and

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Speaker 1: I don't really like this job, and there's another job

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Speaker 1: and it's more uncertain, and I just don't know if

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Speaker 1: God wants me on that path or not. So the

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Speaker 1: same thing I would say to that is their sin involved?

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Speaker 1: Is there morality involved in the job change? No? Does

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Speaker 1: it require more of my time? Would I be leaving

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Speaker 1: like having less time in church?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Well, I still get a good amount of time as

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Speaker 1: a father and a husband. Yeah. Is the is the

864
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: industry that I'm moving into sinful in any way? Is it?

865
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: Is it like hurting people? Right? No? Okay, then just

866
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: do what you want. If there's no morality involved, there's

867
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: no sin involved, then at that point we get so

868
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: paralyzed by these spiritual things and go.

869
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 2: I don't know.

870
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: There is the will of God. At that point you

871
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: can go, well, the will of God's working through my desires,

872
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: and I want to do it. I don't want to

873
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: do the old job. I want to do the new job.

874
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: We want the burning bush. So yeah, yeah, speak to

875
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: me in the burning bush.

876
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: And you've also analyzed and said, I'm not the kind

877
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: of person that jumps around. It's not a matter of contentment.

878
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 1: I'm just not ever settled. So I it's like I've

879
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: worked at this job for eight year. It's not a

880
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: contentment issue. I'm pretty settled and I'm actually very excited

881
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: about the opportunity of this other job. Do it yep, so, Corey,

882
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: I hope that helps you. I didn't really. I didn't

883
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: address your specific issue. But I think that's kind of

884
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: the point because I don't need to address your specific issue.

885
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: I need to get to your heart. And and the

886
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: more more important question to all this is, you're sentenced

887
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: right here in the middle. How do I know if

888
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: this is the path God wants me on. I'm nervous

889
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: that I'm going to crash and burn. Read his word.

890
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: Be in church. Have good counsel around you. You gotta

891
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: have other men around you, Corey that go you say, hey, guys,

892
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: is this a good idea? And they go, bro, I

893
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: don't think I know you, and I don't think that's

894
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: a good idea. Or I know you man, and I

895
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: think this is a great opportunity, good wise counsel around you.

896
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: If you've got all that, then you're you're protecting yourself

897
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: by testing Romans twelve two. Let's said another question, got

898
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: another question? Got when we got time? Hey Grange, I

899
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: live in Canada and I'm looking for a church I

900
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: work at a hospital, so that includes every second weekend.

901
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: I have a church walking distance from me, and I

902
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: went there on Sunday. No one welcomed me or even

903
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: said high. I didn't feel welcomed. The sermon was good,

904
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 1: but I was wondering should I keep looking for another

905
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: church or give it another chance. I love all your platforms.

906
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: London needs to do more.

907
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 2: Lol.

908
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: Sandra or Sandra? Do you think it's Sandra or Sandra.

909
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: I think it's Sandra, Sandra from Canada. I think so

910
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: it would be the further south, it would be Sondra maybe,

911
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 1: but regardless, she said, Sandy ye yee, Sandy, Okay, Sandy,

912
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: this is a this is a very complicated question that

913
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: I don't I just don't have enough data. I don't

914
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: have enough data with you saying the sermon was good

915
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: and I didn't feel welcomed. I need more or the

916
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: walking distance thing is cool, but I need more information.

917
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: Was the pastor preaching expositionally? Was he preaching from the No,

918
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 1: A lot of people say from preaching from the word.

919
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: That's not what I mean. What I mean was was

920
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: he using scripture and the point of the scripture was

921
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: the point of the text That's what I mean. Was

922
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 1: he doing that? If it's a solid church, it's close

923
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: to you. The preacher is preaching good doctrine, and that

924
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: the point of the text is the point of the message,

925
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: then what they're lacking you should be able to serve

926
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: and go, Hey, this church is lacking good greeters. So

927
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: I want to join this church and be a good

928
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: greeterer because I immediately noticed they don't have good people welcoming.

929
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be that. Like we talked earlier about

930
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: members of the body, be that member of the body.

931
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: It's not a restaurant. You know, a church is not

932
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 2: a restaurant. You're going well, man, my waiter was terrible.

933
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 2: It might be justifiable not to go back. Was the

934
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: food good? The food's food, you know, it's what you

935
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: need the moment. That's not necessarily what church is. Church

936
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 2: is like, that's one point of all. But it's not

937
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: the meat potatoes on your plate. Yes, So the word

938
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: is is the word there?

939
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 1: It's all about that. It's all about the word.

940
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 2: Man. I was blessed with the church that we're members

941
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 2: at now that the very first time I'll use this

942
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 2: analogy is that it was the right kind of welcome.

943
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is it wasn't overbearing,

944
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: and it wasn't twelve people, it wasn't three hundred questions.

945
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: It was I don't I know everybody here and I

946
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: don't know you.

947
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: Oh that's good because.

948
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: You could tell. And there were a few people that

949
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 2: you know, would walk by and see us and wave

950
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 2: or say hi. But there was one person you could

951
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: tell that that was their passion and that she just

952
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 2: came and said, you guys are new here, like, yes,

953
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 2: this is our first time here. Okay, well welcome. This

954
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 2: is how we do our service here, the whole families together,

955
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 2: and so your kids, your daughter's welcome. She'll be in

956
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: the main service with you. If you just want to

957
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 2: check it out today and just do the service, you can,

958
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: But we do have Sunday school afterwards if you would

959
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: like to do that too. There was no pressure. Again,

960
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 2: there wasn't like, okay, fill this out and scan this

961
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 2: and do that. They were like, if you'd like to

962
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 2: fill it out, we'd like to connect with you. If

963
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: you don't, you just want to check out, that's completely

964
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 2: fine too.

965
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: You didn't have the guy in the front like spinning

966
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: the sign you know, like juggling the big sign that

967
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: says welcome your home.

968
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 2: Yes, but he was the nail salon across the street,

969
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: that's what it was. Yeah, No, we didn't do that.

970
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 1: That's a good point that, Yeah, sometimes the welcome team

971
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: could be a little yes.

972
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that is kind of kind of me like,

973
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: if I'm checking it out, I just kind of want

974
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 2: to slip in and then just people just smile and

975
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 2: be nice. And that's really hard to find too. That's

976
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: absolutely the other It's either experience that Sandra had or

977
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 2: the experience that we had.

978
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: I get it. And you have one more question on

979
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 1: this this little sheet here, let me try to get it.

980
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: It's from Riley says, Hey Grange, I'm twenty three years

981
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: old from Chilliwack, be another Canada. I don't have any

982
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: male role models to talk to as as my church

983
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: is distant and very reformed, no small groups. My dad

984
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: left me when I was a kid and it's not

985
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: safe to reconnect with him. Parentheses alcoholic and abusive. I've

986
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: struggled with doubt and belief, but know that Jesus has

987
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: saved me. But I never experienced a radical moment of

988
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: bleeding of believing I can recall. I just know that

989
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: the change has happened and is happening. Can you explain

990
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: more in conversion and also how yours happened? Thanks, Riley?

991
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: And why did you put this question at the end.

992
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: It was only if you had time you realized, he

993
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: realizes I started it. Oh no, he's got ye.

994
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 2: Forgot it was well, I didn't know it till about

995
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 2: three lines. Oh yeah, that's right, it's he doesn't.

996
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Ma, Riley, this this could actual episode, this

997
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: could be its own episode. Really, the doctrine of conversion,

998
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: my story, my testimony, your your experience at church with

999
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,439
Speaker 1: no small groups, which let's just go there real quick, Riley,

1000
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily a bad thing. We live in a

1001
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 1: world in twenty twenty four that it's like small group driven.

1002
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: It's like you said, this bird just hit the window.

1003
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: When that was you said it just now you said

1004
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 1: the meat and potatoes is the preaching is the word.

1005
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: Let's say that again and say it's not small groups.

1006
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: And so many churches say, well, that's what small groups

1007
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: are for, right. I didn't feel like I got any

1008
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: meat and potatoes. That's what small groups are for. No,

1009
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: they're not that's dangerous.

1010
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: But so many.

1011
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: Churches pawn off small groups. They say, our Sunday mornings

1012
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: are for attracting.

1013
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 2: People, so invite everyone you can connecting, and small groups.

1014
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: Are for connecting and learning the word. That's not ever,

1015
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: how it's been and and it's there's a thousand reasons

1016
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: we can get into why that is not a good system,

1017
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: because one and one of a thousand reasons is the

1018
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 1: pastors can't monitor every small group going on, and that's

1019
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 1: a that's a lot of work to keep track, especially

1020
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: in a big church with you know what's going on

1021
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: and what group and what group is growing, and what

1022
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: group is not and and are are the leaders of

1023
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 1: these groups properly discipling? So that that's why the meat

1024
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: and potatoes, like you said, is always the preaching on

1025
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: Sunday morning. So that doesn't make your church, this specific

1026
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: church good, uh. In fact, it might be a horrible church.

1027
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: It sounds like it might be. Or this could be

1028
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: a matter of you you've been a recluse and you

1029
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: haven't connected. I think it's a little both. I think

1030
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: it would be a problem, especially if it's a smaller

1031
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: church that they don't come to you and say, brother,

1032
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: how could we how can we serve you, how could

1033
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: we walk with you? Are you struggling with doubt? And

1034
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: how could we talk through these things so that you

1035
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: don't have to email your friend on a podcast and

1036
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: ask him a question that really should go to an elder.

1037
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: And so if you're not in a church, and I

1038
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: hesitate with this because I don't have enough data points,

1039
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: but if you're not in a church where you can't

1040
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: willingly approach an elder or if he doesn't approach you,

1041
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: and you could have a conversation about the same question

1042
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: you're asking me. My dad's an alcoholic. I'm concerned while

1043
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: there's no small groups, I struggle with doubt and belief.

1044
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: I like Granger Smith and his podcast. I like ye yee.

1045
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: If you can't have that kind of conversation with an elder,

1046
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: then I would say, let's think about another church where

1047
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: that is something that's cultivated, where the soil is cultivating

1048
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: in a way, where you walk in like ant Man

1049
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: just said, and they go, here's what we do. Are

1050
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: you in a connect Let's do this, and here's the

1051
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: people to talk to. If you're kind of like a

1052
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: ghost in this place and it's distant, like you said,

1053
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: then that could be a problem, and very reformed also

1054
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: could be a problem. I just don't know. I don't

1055
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: have enough data points besides the fact that say to say, Riley,

1056
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: ask some questions. Ask these questions to church leadership, and

1057
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: you'll know quickly if they're just blowing you off, are

1058
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: they genuinely want to disciple you. And if they don't,

1059
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: then let's go to another place in chili wack BC.

1060
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, I think that's great advice. And he's addressing

1061
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: something there as well that's very, very prominent in twenty

1062
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 2: twenty four is no male role models, no male pouring

1063
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 2: into and if that's not happening, find a place that is,

1064
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: and then make sure that you're becoming one of those

1065
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 2: people that are.

1066
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll give you the one minute talk here, Riley

1067
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: on conversion. Do you understand and believe that Jesus came

1068
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: from God to reconcile you to himself and become the

1069
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: substitute for the sin, your sin that put him on

1070
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: the cross, and that he paid the price for your

1071
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: sin so that you could be in a right relationship

1072
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: with God. And you have evidence of that moving forward

1073
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: in your life. That manifest in a way that says

1074
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Speaker 1: I want to be part of a good church. I

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Speaker 1: his word. I want to be around other people that

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Speaker 1: understand these kind of things that if that's you, then

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Speaker 1: you are converted. And it doesn't mean you have to

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Speaker 1: have a big radical moment of believing. It doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: you have to all of a sudden act like your

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Speaker 1: Billy Graham or something that you see on the TV.

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Speaker 1: It could be a very very slow moving process, but

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Speaker 1: it all revolves around you knowing the facts that I

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Speaker 1: just said. And if that's you, then you are a saint,

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Speaker 1: you are a brother, and we need to get you

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Speaker 1: into a good church. Yeah yeah, would you claught up

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Speaker 1: with that at the end. Now, I'm glad. We'll see

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