WEBVTT - White South African Immigrants During an Anti-Immigration Administration 

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our

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<v Speaker 1>mission is to foster allyship empathy and understanding. I am

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<v Speaker 1>your host, Ramsy's Jah is Ramsey's Jah.

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<v Speaker 2>I am qward Youth. I'll tuned into Civic Cipher.

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<v Speaker 1>And we appreciate that. We want you to stick around

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<v Speaker 1>because today we are going to be discussing an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>development here in Trump two point zero in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States of America. In the history of our great land.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing that has caused a lot of distress in

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<v Speaker 1>communities around the world, the thing that we hear a

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<v Speaker 1>lot from our listeners is it has to do with immigration,

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<v Speaker 1>ice raids, things like this. There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people very afraid and don't know what power they have

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<v Speaker 1>and how to wield that power to affirm their rights

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<v Speaker 1>as human beings, to pursue legal means of maintaining their residences,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. And it's just interesting because because recently under

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump administration, the United States has welcomed some South

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<v Speaker 1>African immigrants. Now, the notable difference between these immigrants and

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<v Speaker 1>the immigrants that we see, you know, on the other end,

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<v Speaker 1>of the ice raids is that these South African immigrants

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<v Speaker 1>are white and exclusively white, and so we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be discussing that, and you know the implications of that

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<v Speaker 1>and perhaps ways that you know, communities can use this

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<v Speaker 1>moment to further fortify themselves against you know, what many

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<v Speaker 1>people consider to be an oppressor ream. And we're also

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<v Speaker 1>going to be spending some time discussing, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>future of women in politics. Jasmine Crockett recently gave a

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<v Speaker 1>news interview where she stated that the Democrats are likely

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<v Speaker 1>moving in the direction of the safest white boy and

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation surrounding that has really caused us to think.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we're going to talk about that and so

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<v Speaker 1>much more. But before we get there, we are going

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<v Speaker 1>to start off with some ebony excellence. Now we I

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<v Speaker 1>think we shall. So today's ebony excellence comes from Men's

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<v Speaker 1>Journal dot com and we are talking about Ryan Kugler.

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<v Speaker 1>So Ryan Kugler Sinners continues its run as one of

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<v Speaker 1>the year's biggest hits, and this weekend it hit a

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<v Speaker 1>new box office milestone. On Saturday. According to The Rap

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<v Speaker 1>Spinner's gross or caught frost Sorry, the two hundred million

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<v Speaker 1>dollar market the box office in the United States and Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>an achievement no original film has made since Pixar's Coco

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<v Speaker 1>arrived in theaters just ahead of Thanksgiving twenty seventeen. Kugler's

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<v Speaker 1>musical vampire Flick, which stars regular collaborator Michael B. Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>Pulls Sorry, plus Delroy Lindo, Hailey Steinfeld, Miles Canton, and

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<v Speaker 1>Jack O'Connell, has been a box office wonderkin right out

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<v Speaker 1>of the gate. It's been breaking box office records for

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<v Speaker 1>both original films and horror movies since it opened, and

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<v Speaker 1>is preparing for a one week only IMAX released beginning Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>May fifteenth. It also has been replaced. Sorry also has

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<v Speaker 1>been praised by audiences and critics alike, which has served

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<v Speaker 1>as a much needed reminder to Hollywood of moviegoers' desire

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<v Speaker 1>for original content. Of course, making cinematic history is nothing

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<v Speaker 1>new to Kugler at this point. With the release of

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<v Speaker 1>Marvel's Black Panther in twenty eighteen, the now thirty eight

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<v Speaker 1>year old writer director became MCU's first black director. The

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<v Speaker 1>movie itself became the first superhero film to receive Best

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<v Speaker 1>Picture nominations from both the Oscars and the Golden Globes.

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<v Speaker 1>Black Panther received seven OSCAR nominations total and won three

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<v Speaker 1>of them, Best Costume Designed for Ruthie Carter, Best Production

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<v Speaker 1>Design for Hannah Beachler and Jay Hart, and Best Original

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<v Speaker 1>Score for Ludwig Gornson, making the Chadwick Boseman starring hit

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<v Speaker 1>the first Marvel movie to win an OSCAR. So shout

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<v Speaker 1>out to Ryan Coogler, and shout out to sinners, and

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<v Speaker 1>shout out that everybody supporting that. That indeed is some

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<v Speaker 1>ebony excellent. Okay, that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's an IMAX re release. That's important to point

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<v Speaker 2>out because they only there's only like nine I mix

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<v Speaker 2>theaters in the country have to make room for specific

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<v Speaker 2>movies that are shot for that format. A new Marvel

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<v Speaker 2>movie pushed it out of Imax. The movie is so dope,

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<v Speaker 2>it pushed the Marvel movie back out.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, nice, all right, Well, like I said, any excellence,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. So a little bit of background here and

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<v Speaker 1>and Q, you stop me if this is just a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit too personal. But I think one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that has troubled us collectively but more specifically Q,

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<v Speaker 1>and by extension, it has troubled me is the divisive approach,

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<v Speaker 1>the the the hate based approach to immigration and immigrants

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<v Speaker 1>in this country by this current administration. Q has really

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<v Speaker 1>felt that in his reality in a way that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have not. We both live in the Southwest, we

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<v Speaker 1>both live in border states. We both live in environments

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<v Speaker 1>where a lot of the culture and the people and

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<v Speaker 1>our friends and so forth are you know, people who

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<v Speaker 1>are Mexican and either they moved here when they were little,

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<v Speaker 1>or they were here the whole time they were and

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<v Speaker 1>their family was here before this was ever the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>because this where we live was once Mexico. But in

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<v Speaker 1>Q's situation, this current administration's rhetoric and approach has been

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<v Speaker 1>kind of scary. And that's a word that you've used.

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<v Speaker 1>You've used that word before, so you would think that

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<v Speaker 1>while we feel that a lot of it is just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of fear mongering, a lot of it is like

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<v Speaker 1>immigration policy great, you know, whatever we need that we

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<v Speaker 1>need better immigration procedures, so great. And my understanding is

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<v Speaker 1>that historically this has been something, you know, going all

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<v Speaker 1>the way back fifty plus years, that has been a

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<v Speaker 1>political issue that people have had to sort through, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>presidents have had to sort through. And it depends on

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<v Speaker 1>the conditions, the social conditions, the economic conditions of the country,

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<v Speaker 1>what our border policy looks like, our southern border policy

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<v Speaker 1>looks like. And Donald Trump specifically has been able to

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<v Speaker 1>weaponize the border and use it to whip up fear

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<v Speaker 1>in a way in the population, in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't seen in our lifetimes. Right. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the other side of fear is often hate in many instances,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we've seen the country move in a direction

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<v Speaker 1>that is decidedly more hateful under his leadership. And for

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<v Speaker 1>those that have short memories, remember his first campaign. The

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<v Speaker 1>biggest slogan from that first campaign was build the Wall, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And the wall wasn't about Canada, it wasn't about China,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't about Japan, it wasn't about South Korea or

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<v Speaker 1>North Korea. Rather, it was about Mexico. And again, for us,

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<v Speaker 1>we live on land that used to be Mexico. So

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<v Speaker 1>the people here historically they're they're Mexican people, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Are The word I'm looking for is ethnically, They're they're Mexican. Culturally,

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<v Speaker 1>they're Mexican. Uh in terms of their nationality, they're American, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but Mexican flags around where we live is a part

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, the cultural tapestry of this part of

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<v Speaker 1>the country. You know, our children, my children and qu'es

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<v Speaker 1>children are half Mexican. This is just the people that

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<v Speaker 1>live here. Right. So with all this hate and all

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<v Speaker 1>this fear mongering and all this sort of stuff, you

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<v Speaker 1>would expect that this immigration policy that got him into

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<v Speaker 1>office twice, this divisive approach to immigration that saw him

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<v Speaker 1>achieve the highest office in the land, he would have

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of he would keep that energy across the board,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, for people that have not been paying too

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<v Speaker 1>close of attention. But it turns out that Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of picking and choosing. I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we happen to know there are many people who would

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<v Speaker 1>love legal status in this country. They submit paperwork, they

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<v Speaker 1>do everything the right way, and the system that is

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<v Speaker 1>in place for them to achieve you know, permanent residence

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<v Speaker 1>status or citizenship status or whatever the case is is

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<v Speaker 1>extremely complicated, challenging, and it's tedious process. Last years. There

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<v Speaker 1>are people who've been waiting for decades plus. I know people.

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<v Speaker 1>You and I both have a friend. I'll say her

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<v Speaker 1>first name is Rachel. But yeah, she's still waiting on

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<v Speaker 1>her papers to come back and has been for the

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<v Speaker 1>whole time we've known her. Now she has two children,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, since she feels a little safer with those

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<v Speaker 1>two children. But under Donald Trump, of course, that her

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<v Speaker 1>reality has changed quite a bit. So what am I

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<v Speaker 1>talking about? Well, let's look at these white South African immigrants.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to share a bit. This comes from

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<v Speaker 1>the Black Information Network and thenk you. I'll let you

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<v Speaker 1>state your own brief. But I wanted to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>bring folks up to speed because I know there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people around the country who feel that tension

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<v Speaker 1>and feel like it might be just about them, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think this story kind of makes the case that

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<v Speaker 1>it might actually be just about them. I'll let you

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<v Speaker 1>double down on that, but for now, this is from

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<v Speaker 1>the Black Information Network. A group of white South Africans

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<v Speaker 1>is flying to the US after the Trump administration offered

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<v Speaker 1>them refugee status and alleged race based persecution. On Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>May eleven, forty nine Afrikaaners, the white minority group in

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<v Speaker 1>South Africa, departed their homeland on a privately chartered flight

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<v Speaker 1>to Dole's International airport outside of Washington under Trump's refugee plan,

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<v Speaker 1>per the Associated Press, The relocation comes after Trump issued

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<v Speaker 1>an executive order in February that accused the South African

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<v Speaker 1>government of discrimination against Afrikaaners and announced a refugee program

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<v Speaker 1>offering to relocate them to the US. The Trump administration

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<v Speaker 1>further claims the South African government is enacting racist, anti

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<v Speaker 1>white policies through affirmative action laws and targeting Afrikaaners lands

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<v Speaker 1>through a new land expropriation law. The US has also

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<v Speaker 1>alleged that Afrikaaners are being targeted and racially motivated attacks

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<v Speaker 1>in rural communities. The South African government said it was

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<v Speaker 1>completely false that Afrikaaners are being persecuted, the claims are

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<v Speaker 1>based on misinformation, and the Afrikaners' land isn't being expropriated,

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<v Speaker 1>the government stated. The government also denied claims of racism

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<v Speaker 1>and attacks against white South Africaners, noting that the group

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<v Speaker 1>is among the most economically privileged in the country. Refugee

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<v Speaker 1>groups have questioned the Trump administration's moved to fast track

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<v Speaker 1>applications for white South Africaners while halting arrivals from Afghanistan, Iraq,

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<v Speaker 1>Sub Saharan Africa and other areas wrecked by war and

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<v Speaker 1>natural disasters. Vetting for refugee status in the US usually

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<v Speaker 1>takes years. The first group of Afrikaners is expected to

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<v Speaker 1>be welcomed at the Duel's airport by a US government delegation,

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<v Speaker 1>including the Deputy Secretary of State and officials from the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Health and Human Services. The flight is a

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<v Speaker 1>part of a much larger scale relocation effort. White House

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<v Speaker 1>Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller said in a statement,

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<v Speaker 1>adding that what's happening to Afrikaaners in their homeland fits

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<v Speaker 1>the textbook definition of why the refugee program was created.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote this is persecutcution based on a protected characteristic, in

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<v Speaker 1>this case race. This is race based persecution. Miller said,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, two with Flora's yours.

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<v Speaker 2>If it wasn't so infuriating, it would be funny race

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<v Speaker 2>based prosecution or persecution. I'm sorry for white South Africans

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<v Speaker 2>and flying into Washington Dulles Airport on a fast tracked

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<v Speaker 2>refugee plan because this is why the refugee program was created.

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<v Speaker 2>Persecution based on a protected characteristic. The same people who

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<v Speaker 2>are the same people that are making affirmative action in

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<v Speaker 2>DEI and the word black illegal want us to believe

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<v Speaker 2>that they're bringing these people here because they're being persecuted

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<v Speaker 2>based on their race. I first have to start with

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<v Speaker 2>where I kind of always start when we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>things like this, and it's pushing back on the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of fear and the cape and the bail and the

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<v Speaker 2>benefit of the doubt and the protection that it buys people.

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<v Speaker 2>When you say they're scared is dangerous. I am scared

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<v Speaker 2>that someone might snatch my children, or snatch me from

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<v Speaker 2>my children, or snatch their mom from them. That's fear,

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<v Speaker 2>and what I would do to protect them and myself

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<v Speaker 2>in the mind of most just basically kind people with

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<v Speaker 2>a modicum of empathy would be understood. So when you

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<v Speaker 2>give them that same fear pass, then their montrosities that

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<v Speaker 2>they do can also be met with some empathy. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>if they were afraid, then they did what they had

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<v Speaker 2>to do. And that's nonsense. It's not fear. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>afraid of anything. They hate us, and they hate people

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<v Speaker 2>with brown skin, so they can take a privately chartered

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<v Speaker 2>plane that taxpayers in this country are paying for. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of those undocumented workers that have jobs and pay taxes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that tax money goes to these flights too, and fly

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<v Speaker 2>them here based on their protected characteristic, which is their race.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if we weren't talking about white people. That should

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<v Speaker 2>raise an eyebrow when this is the same administration it

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<v Speaker 2>says people should not have protected characteristics. So why they

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<v Speaker 2>getting rid of history while they're closing museums and banding points,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? Like they don't even they

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<v Speaker 2>pandered for two elections at a base that was easy

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<v Speaker 2>to manipulate.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't pander anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>They wear their hypocrisy like a badge now because they know,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, the now new second term president has

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<v Speaker 2>known for years that there's nothing he can do that

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<v Speaker 2>would discourage or turn away his base. They're going to

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<v Speaker 2>support him, show up for him, defend him, apologize for him,

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<v Speaker 2>and fight you for him. A man they don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't care about them. They'll fight you their friend

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<v Speaker 2>or their coworker or their family member on his behalf.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a really really strange thing and having to go

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<v Speaker 2>through that people that I know raising their hand to

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<v Speaker 2>tell me the silver lining and anything that he's doing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a really disturbing, really dangerous, and really scary place

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<v Speaker 2>to be. So when we talk about fear, you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>to someone who's actually dealing with the fear that one

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<v Speaker 2>day while I'm at work, I might get a call

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<v Speaker 2>that my kids don't know where their mom is, or

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<v Speaker 2>they might get a call that no one knows where

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<v Speaker 2>their dad is. Because that's the country we live in now,

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<v Speaker 2>That's what fear looks and sounds like. And again, this

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<v Speaker 2>is something that's very personal, that's already showed up at

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<v Speaker 2>my door. I've already had to go get my kids

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<v Speaker 2>from school to I don't want to talk about it,

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<v Speaker 2>But to pretend that the other side is afraid and

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<v Speaker 2>not just hateful and racist is almost intentionally dishonest, Like

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<v Speaker 2>we're going out of our way to be empathetic to

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<v Speaker 2>these people that would never do that for us. They're

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<v Speaker 2>not making these decisions because they're afraid of us. They

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<v Speaker 2>hate us, and they now have the power to take

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<v Speaker 2>everything from us, and the idea of checks and balances

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<v Speaker 2>no longer exist. So if you're white, there's a place

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<v Speaker 2>for you here. If you've been persecuted and you're white

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<v Speaker 2>and you're going through something difficult and you're white, even

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<v Speaker 2>though you're the extreme minority of occupants, but the extreme

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<v Speaker 2>majority of land owners, you're the persecuted class. What was

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<v Speaker 2>the percentage, It's like five or six percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>white people in South Africa own seventy or eighty percent

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<v Speaker 2>of the land. They want us to believe they're the

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<v Speaker 2>ones that are being persecuted.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think that there's something.

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<v Speaker 2>That will never even ask the question, well, why that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make any sense? Sounds about white, so it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>about right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, So wat's this I think that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for people that don't know the history of South Africa,

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<v Speaker 1>people that don't know the history of apartheid, people that

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what Nelson Mandela's fight was about in his story,

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<v Speaker 1>and people who don't even know who that is. If

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<v Speaker 1>all you hear is a government is taking land from

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<v Speaker 1>a group of people based on their race, then you

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<v Speaker 1>know there are people who could look at that and think, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well that just isn't fair. You know, these people are

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<v Speaker 1>being persecuted, right if the headline just reads the way

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<v Speaker 1>that it does, and no one goes any deeper, and

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<v Speaker 1>no one has any context, no one has any history.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think in brief what we can do and

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<v Speaker 1>this helps support the numbers. We're going to share a clip.

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<v Speaker 1>This is from Don Lemon and he kind of breaks

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<v Speaker 1>down a little bit about South Africa and so you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of get a little bit more context on the

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote persecution and why this is such a bizarre

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<v Speaker 1>move to re locate these white South africaners to the

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<v Speaker 1>United States during an administration that is that platform and

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<v Speaker 1>is currently decidedly anti immigration and pretty much everything that

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<v Speaker 1>it does. So let's listen to Dawn kind of break

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<v Speaker 1>this down for us. Here we go.

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<v Speaker 3>It is blatantly obvious the way that we treat white

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<v Speaker 3>South Africans, who, by the way, for the most part,

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<v Speaker 3>and I am generalizing here, some of the wealthiest people

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<v Speaker 3>are well to do people in the country, to speak

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<v Speaker 3>their language, they own most of the land and the property,

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<v Speaker 3>and somehow they're being granted a fast track to become

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<v Speaker 3>Americans while they're trying to cut down on immigration from

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<v Speaker 3>other countries. You know, you get that from where from

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<v Speaker 3>the brown people. On March seventh, Trump to truth social

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<v Speaker 3>to announce ess is offering white South African farmers quote

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<v Speaker 3>a rapid pathway to the US citizenship, pointing out that South

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<v Speaker 3>Africa's new land reform push into law last year, which

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<v Speaker 3>lets the government take land without compensation if the property

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<v Speaker 3>is not being used and there's no intention to either

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<v Speaker 3>develop or make money from it. Okay, now I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to give you some context here.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not just.

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<v Speaker 3>Taking a land away from white South African farmers. White

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<v Speaker 3>South Africans, about nine percent of the population, owned eighty

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<v Speaker 3>seven percent of the fertile land. Okay, today, Black South

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<v Speaker 3>Africans make up more than ninety percent of the population

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<v Speaker 3>and they only hold about four percent of all privately

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<v Speaker 3>owned land. So what they're trying to do is say, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>we need to fix an historical injustice and figure out

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<v Speaker 3>if you're not using that land to farm, then we

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<v Speaker 3>need to have some of that land, not taking all

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<v Speaker 3>of your entire farm. That's not what's happening, and we

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<v Speaker 3>need to what there needs to be equity. And now

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<v Speaker 3>people are crying because the playing field is being leveled,

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<v Speaker 3>and so therefore it is now discrimination.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So that kind of colors in the story

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit better. This isn't you know, the government

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<v Speaker 1>seizing all the land. It's only land where it's not

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<v Speaker 1>being used. It hasn't been used, and there are no

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<v Speaker 1>plans to use it in the future. White South Africaners

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<v Speaker 1>who have land that they are using and making money

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<v Speaker 1>off of, they can continue to keep that land. But

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<v Speaker 1>because they hold eighty seven percent of the farmable land,

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<v Speaker 1>this group, the group of white folks in that country

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<v Speaker 1>that make up less than ten percent of the population,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's quite it's a lot less than ten

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the population, but they own eighty seven percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the land that you can use for agriculture, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of that is not being used. The country

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<v Speaker 1>has a law that says, okay, if you're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to use the land, we can take it back and

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<v Speaker 1>create equitable programs that allow other people access to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all that South Africa has to offer. And again, for

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<v Speaker 1>folks that understand the history in South Africa, it was

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<v Speaker 1>colonized by people who are not African, and so this

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<v Speaker 1>is something that needs to be done otherwise, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't do something, then you know, the people

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<v Speaker 1>who live there continue to suffer under oppressive regimes. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting because the people who really inhabit the land

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<v Speaker 1>that ninety percent of the population are black, can look

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<v Speaker 1>at those handful of landowners, white landowners, and say, your

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<v Speaker 1>possession of the land here is oppressive to us. And

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<v Speaker 1>the Donald Trump administration gave those same folks a free

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<v Speaker 1>pass to say, well, you're being oppressed, so come to

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. These still don't have to give up

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<v Speaker 1>your land over there, but here's here's a golden ticket

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<v Speaker 1>to the land of opportunity. And it's interesting to note

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<v Speaker 1>that that was always the card they could play, and

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<v Speaker 1>they haven't. They've chosen not to play that card for

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<v Speaker 1>people who again lived here since they were two, grew

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<v Speaker 1>up here, all their friends, everything they know is is

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<v Speaker 1>here in the United States. They pay taxes, they participate

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<v Speaker 1>in the economy, they're not illegal. And yet and still

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<v Speaker 1>these people are being deported along with you know, criminals

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<v Speaker 1>and all that sort of stuff because there's no due process.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just interesting to note that it's if it's

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<v Speaker 1>white folks got to say it the way it is,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a decidedly different approach to it. And this flies

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<v Speaker 1>in the face to everyone that says, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump's not racist. Name one thing that he's ever

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<v Speaker 1>done that's racist. Listen, man, I think I just did

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll leave that one right about there unless you

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<v Speaker 1>got anything else. I know, we don't have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of time, but yeah, okay, all right, Well, well leave

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<v Speaker 1>that one right there then