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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm not talking to

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Speaker 1: Stepman ever told your protection of I Heart Radio. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to another Monday. Many Today is actually a

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Speaker 1: as well as abuse against the indigenous communities and very

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Speaker 1: very outdated language. So please understand if we are using

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Speaker 1: terms that you're like, oh, you're not supposed to say

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Speaker 1: that anymore. You are correct, but we're either quoting or

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Speaker 1: talking about specific x and or something that is being

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Speaker 1: said directly about a committee that has been named back

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Speaker 1: in the early in mid nineteen century, which by the way,

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Speaker 1: It really wasn't anyway back to that. So go ahead

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Speaker 1: and put that in your head as we talk about

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Speaker 1: our topic today. And um, there's a lot of up

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Speaker 1: people within our justice system as the current Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: in overturning a lot of policies and constitutional rights these

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Speaker 1: last few months, and we couldn't pass by without mentioning

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Speaker 1: the continued stripping of the tribal sovereignty of the indigenous

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Speaker 1: we're not specifically talking about I guess feminist level of conversations,

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Speaker 1: one of the most underrepresented communities around the world, as

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Speaker 1: new studies and discoveries continue to show the persecutions and

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Speaker 1: keeping tabs. But recently the Supreme Court hasn't reversed some

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Speaker 1: to try to regain. And y'all, we're not talking in

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Speaker 1: the last two hundred years. We're talking about the last

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Speaker 1: fifty sixty seventy years that's been happening. That's relatively young.

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Speaker 1: Just recently, the Supreme Court ruled to expand state authority

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Speaker 1: ruling has given leeway to the state to be more

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Speaker 1: involved than On top of that fact, on the federal level,

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Speaker 1: the U. S Government have always had authority in Native

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Speaker 1: So there's a possible ability that a Native person could

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Speaker 1: But other acts are up to be possibly overturned by

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Speaker 1: the Native activists and people have been working to correct

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Speaker 1: really important that we understand these statistics about who are

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Speaker 1: begin with when it shouldn't have been It should have

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Speaker 1: as they are decimating the rights of a community. Yes, yes, absolutely, um,

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