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Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we're
Speaker 4: going to be speaking with an actual US Air Force
Speaker 4: Captain Robert Salas Roberts a graduate of US Air Force Academy,
Speaker 4: he served seven years on active duty. He worked as
Speaker 4: a weapons controller, flew target drones, commanded intercontinental ballistic missiles,
Speaker 4: as a launch officer and worked as an Air Force
Speaker 4: missile propulsion engineer on the Titan Free program. From nineteen
Speaker 4: seventy one to nineteen seventy three. He worked as a
Speaker 4: safety and reliability engineer for Martin Marietta Aerospace and Rockwell
Speaker 4: International on space station design proposals. From nineteen seventy four
Speaker 4: till his retirement in nineteen ninety five, he worked for
Speaker 4: the Federal Aviation Administration. He has testified in Washington on
Speaker 4: numerous occasions regarding his experiences from nineteen sixty seven. On
Speaker 4: March twenty fourth, as a missile launch officer, he was
Speaker 4: a first hand witness to our missiles being turned off
Speaker 4: during a UFO sighting. Is an absolute great honor to
Speaker 4: have this man with us here today. Welcome Captain Robert Sallas.
Speaker 5: How are you, sir, Hi Ron, I'm doing pretty well considering.
Speaker 6: A foreign land called Washington, d C.
Speaker 4: How strange. So tell us how that went yesterday? We
Speaker 4: had the big congressional hearings again. You know, I was
Speaker 4: addressing the UAP topic. What were your thoughts on that hearing?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 5: Thanks, it was it felt good. It was a lot
Speaker 5: of excitement in the room. I can tell you that
Speaker 5: we all cheered when the witnesses came into the room,
Speaker 5: and spontaneously it was everybody was glad to be there
Speaker 5: and glad it happened, because these don't happen often enough.
Speaker 5: I think mister Schellenberger kind of got the ball rolling
Speaker 5: when he announced that he was submitting a report.
Speaker 4: His report was he turned to the Immaculate Constellation.
Speaker 6: That was it in the Immaculate constellation.
Speaker 4: In which we don't know how authentic that is necessarily yet,
Speaker 4: but this is something that he brought up and he
Speaker 4: had submitted to the Congress.
Speaker 5: Yes, he did, and it has become a record of
Speaker 5: the hearing. However, I'm not sure it's available to the public.
Speaker 5: I haven't seen it.
Speaker 4: No, I think it's online already.
Speaker 6: Oh it's online, right, I think so, yes, sir.
Speaker 7: Fantastic.
Speaker 5: From what I could understand about it, it showed a
Speaker 5: strong cover up denial of government agencies.
Speaker 6: The government, He stated, the government has many.
Speaker 5: Videos, clear videos of objects. There were some censorship and
Speaker 5: reactions in the report. He did not write the report,
Speaker 5: but he knows the people that did write it. But
Speaker 5: he said DoD and the Intelligence Committee are treating us
Speaker 5: citizens like children. Mister Gold, who I believe still works
Speaker 5: for NASA, spoke od for more scientific studies.
Speaker 7: I was happy to hear that.
Speaker 5: In fact, I myself have submitted proposals for two years
Speaker 5: running to the Triple AS, which is Association for the
Speaker 5: Advancement of Science. I asked that myself and other well
Speaker 5: known people present on what is available at this time
Speaker 5: as far as doing scientific studies, what data is available.
Speaker 5: Gold made the point that NASA has a vast scientific
Speaker 5: archive of data related to this subject, and he's calling
Speaker 5: on NASA to come forward, which they have been reluctant
Speaker 5: to do. As far as mister Elissando, I was heartened
Speaker 5: to hear him speak with respect to the nuclear issue,
Speaker 5: that these objects have been seen over nuclear assets, and
Speaker 5: of course that's my main story, and that's the kind
Speaker 5: of thing we need. Why we need actual firsthand witnesses
Speaker 5: at these hearings, people who have experienced the phenomenon, people
Speaker 5: who know directly what has been studied, what results have
Speaker 5: been made, are concluded, and that's what we're all waiting for.
Speaker 4: So do you think we need more whistleblower protection in
Speaker 4: order to get these guys to come forward?
Speaker 7: Marm In fact, I do. I certainly do. I know
Speaker 7: quite a few people who would.
Speaker 5: Probably be willing to come forward with respect to the
Speaker 5: UFO nuclear issue if given more protections. The way these
Speaker 5: NDAs are written, I'll tell you I signed an NDA,
Speaker 5: of course, I think people know that, but I read
Speaker 5: it before I signed it. I asked for but I
Speaker 5: was not given a copy of it. But one of
Speaker 5: the paragraphs in there stated specifically that if you violated this,
Speaker 5: you would spend many years in loven Worth prison. Wow,
Speaker 5: they specified that in the document. So this can be
Speaker 5: a little scary for people to want to go against. Yes,
Speaker 5: we do need more protections, and those have to be
Speaker 5: loud and clear, they have to be solid, and I
Speaker 5: think we will get many, many more witnesses coming forward.
Speaker 4: Bob, when you watch this thing, I think many of us,
Speaker 4: certainly myself. It's very frustrating at home when you hear
Speaker 4: people like Lou say, I can't talk about this in
Speaker 4: an open form, I can't talk about this. Do you
Speaker 4: think if they reveal certain things behind closed doors in
Speaker 4: a private session, then any of that will actually trickle
Speaker 4: down and we'll get to hear about it again.
Speaker 5: It would be couched statements because again, even people in
Speaker 5: Congress are required to order securitios and security information. So no,
Speaker 5: I don't think that's what we need. We don't need
Speaker 5: these closed door sessions. I'm glad if they have them
Speaker 5: and the Congress people are getting the information they need
Speaker 5: to follow up on their activities. But what we need
Speaker 5: is a real breakthrough. There seems to be a stranglehold
Speaker 5: by the intelligence and DoD communities, a stranglehold on not
Speaker 5: putting out actual, real witnesses and information out to the public.
Speaker 4: Do we know who's blocking this and why they're blocking this?
Speaker 7: No, I don't.
Speaker 5: I certainly don't. We can only speculate, as I've written
Speaker 5: in my books. I've written three books now, But in
Speaker 5: each of those books, I think I've emphasized the idea
Speaker 5: that there is a strong we'll call it, I hate
Speaker 5: to use the word, but it's very descriptive. It's a
Speaker 5: strong secrecy group or cabal for their own purposes, for
Speaker 5: their own reasons. They're keeping these secrets very tightly, and
Speaker 5: they're using many different means, including intimidation witnesses, intimidation of Congress.
Speaker 6: I think to hold on to these secrets.
Speaker 4: Do you feel it's a good thing that we're at least,
Speaker 4: as the guy said, adding another brick to the wall,
Speaker 4: and we're moving the ball a little further down the field.
Speaker 4: Or do you feel that these aren't very productive.
Speaker 6: I think they are productive.
Speaker 5: They bring the subject up in public awareness and hopeful media.
Speaker 5: Hopefully in media awareness, although I don't think I've seen
Speaker 5: much in the media lately.
Speaker 4: On what I hear from people, Bob is that I
Speaker 4: don't want to say the word nothing burger. But we
Speaker 4: didn't really hear many facts. We didn't really hear much evidence.
Speaker 4: We didn't really hear a lot of you know, the
Speaker 4: salacious details that people want to hear.
Speaker 5: No, you have to really rely on the credibility of
Speaker 5: the status I suppose of the witnesses that came forward.
Speaker 5: I think the status of the people that were there,
Speaker 5: the witnesses that did testify, is well regarded.
Speaker 6: They all made the point that there is a strong.
Speaker 5: Cover up that these are objects under intelligent control. These
Speaker 5: objects are not from planet Earth. I think that was
Speaker 5: emphasized over and over from these witnesses.
Speaker 6: But it's not enough.
Speaker 5: It's certainly not enough for NBC News to announce that
Speaker 5: we are being visited by alien race or alien races
Speaker 5: and objects that have the capability to shut down our
Speaker 5: nuclear arsenal.
Speaker 4: And that's the frustration for us in the audience, Bob,
Speaker 4: that it's not enough. It's not enough. Really, quick break there,
Speaker 4: Bob will be right back. When we come back. We're
Speaker 4: going to talk to Bob about his experience and what
Speaker 4: he feels if his experience was definitely off planet. You're
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Speaker 4: We're talking to mister Robert Solas. Robert in your experience,
Speaker 4: going back to your siting and experience back in nineteen
Speaker 4: sixty seven, did you feel for sure that this incident
Speaker 4: was off planet? Could it not have been a foreign
Speaker 4: adversary or some unknown technology to you?
Speaker 5: No, of course, I was trained in the missile system
Speaker 5: and I worked with I've spoken with in depth with
Speaker 5: people that brought the missiles back up on alert and
Speaker 5: had other experiences other than my own with these objects.
Speaker 6: They were able to do. These objects were able to do.
Speaker 5: Something that simply defied our understanding of how they were
Speaker 5: able to do it. The object was hovering just above
Speaker 5: our facility very close to the ground but pulsating red
Speaker 5: orange light, and it was able to send signals, independent
Speaker 5: signals through sixty feet of earthed concrete and then penetrate
Speaker 5: triplely shielded cabling system that we had and send specific
Speaker 5: signals directly to a particular piece of hardware that was
Speaker 5: critical to the guidance system of our missile system. Let's say,
Speaker 5: for an adversary get that detailed information to have that capability.
Speaker 5: I don't know that was beyond belief that they were
Speaker 5: able to do this.
Speaker 4: They wouldn't that a possibility. I mean, I know that's unlikely,
Speaker 4: but it's pretty unlikely that an alien race would come
Speaker 4: here and do that. So couldn't this still be something
Speaker 4: that was.
Speaker 6: Yeah, extremely unlikely.
Speaker 5: Let's say, okay, it was done by any equipment that
Speaker 5: we had or anyone else.
Speaker 4: Had, And did all the people around you feel the
Speaker 4: same way.
Speaker 5: Yes, we were on a routine. When we went out
Speaker 5: on alert status to these sites. We were briefed by
Speaker 5: our technical people back at the base. Back at Moulson
Speaker 5: Air Force Base, we had regular briefings before going on duty.
Speaker 5: I was there for three years. I never had any
Speaker 5: missile go off alert for any reason. And that was
Speaker 5: the same with the rest of the crews that we knew.
Speaker 5: If Air Force, for example, was conducting some kind of
Speaker 5: an exercise to check the reliability of the system, to
Speaker 5: see if they could actually do this, you know, shut
Speaker 5: down the missiles remotely from a lighted craft that had
Speaker 5: no sound, no engine, noise, no and the ability to
Speaker 5: fly at high speeds, stop on a dime, reverse course,
Speaker 5: make naty degree turns. That was the way it was
Speaker 5: described by the witnesses top side that I spoke with.
Speaker 5: We had no aircraft, certainly they could do anything like that.
Speaker 5: We had no aircraft that could hover in nineteen sixty seven,
Speaker 5: and no aircraft that could hover above our facility. And
Speaker 5: like I said, make those signal penetrations. And this was
Speaker 5: repeated three times within the span of six months. Within
Speaker 5: the span of six months, the missile site at Minor
Speaker 5: Air Force Base went down in a similar manner. We
Speaker 5: have a witness to that. We also have a witness
Speaker 5: to the incident that happened eight days before my incident,
Speaker 5: that was Colonel Waldfiegel at Echo Flight. The incident happened
Speaker 5: in March sixteenth, nineteen sixty seven. All these incidents have
Speaker 5: been confirmed. We've got testimonies in the form of affidavits,
Speaker 5: We've got testimony in the form of records that we
Speaker 5: received from the Air Force under the Free Reformation Act.
Speaker 5: So no, and in addition to that, when we returned
Speaker 5: to the base, we were both ordered to report to
Speaker 5: our square commander's office. And this was a gentleman. I
Speaker 5: knew very well Colonel George Eldridge, B seventeen bomber pilot
Speaker 5: during World World War Two. He has seen a lot.
Speaker 5: He was white as a sheet when we walked in.
Speaker 5: He could not explain what had happened to us. I
Speaker 5: certainly asked him directly, was it an Air Force exercise
Speaker 5: or something like that? And he said absolutely, not reasonably irrationally,
Speaker 5: we would not use operational equipment like that. There was
Speaker 5: all a large status to perform some sort of exercise,
Speaker 5: and if we were to do something like that, we
Speaker 5: certainly informed the crews. We tell them that, you know,
Speaker 5: they were doing this, And this is why we never
Speaker 5: got any kind of a briefing like that.
Speaker 4: And just so everyone knows, we're talking about nuclear weapons here.
Speaker 4: These are not just you know.
Speaker 6: Items, so not canons or guns.
Speaker 4: Right, So whatever the phenomenon is, they certainly seem to
Speaker 4: be interested in our nuclear capability. You've written about that
Speaker 4: in your books. There's other people like Robert Hastings who
Speaker 4: have compiled numerous cases of UFO experiences and sightings centered
Speaker 4: around nuclear bases. Even Roswell and Undelsham had nuclear capabilities.
Speaker 4: That seems to be a tie in here. What do
Speaker 4: you think about that, Moob?
Speaker 5: Certainly in my book, I've identified at least a dozen
Speaker 5: or more incidents where UFOs have flown over nuclear facilities,
Speaker 5: either where nuclear weapons were stored or operational facilities like
Speaker 5: my own, including in Russia in nineteen eighty two. In
Speaker 5: that case, of course, they started the missiles on a
Speaker 5: lot sequence instead of shutting him down. They scared the
Speaker 5: hell out of Russian military operators that they were going
Speaker 5: to launch those missiles. But there had been, like I said,
Speaker 5: other cases where mister Fenstermaker, for example, I'm even mistaken,
Speaker 5: but it was Ellsworth Air Force Base spoke about UFOs
Speaker 5: coming over his missil site, basically messing with him. Some
Speaker 5: of the status lights we had and the control capsule
Speaker 5: showed different lights coming on at different times. We also
Speaker 5: had incursion life it's in our case incursion meaning potential
Speaker 5: intrusion or incursion at the launch facilities where the missiles
Speaker 5: were actually located. I had to send guards out there.
Speaker 5: They saw the objects again. So yeah, this has happened
Speaker 5: many times at different places in our country and different
Speaker 5: places in the world.
Speaker 4: What is absolutely and Bob, let me ask you this,
Speaker 4: What do you guys think? What did you feel at
Speaker 4: the time was happening. Do you think this was a warning?
Speaker 4: Do you think they were letting us know that they
Speaker 4: can control us, that they are the ultimate power? Was
Speaker 4: What was the feeling at the time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the feeling.
Speaker 5: My feeling, I can tell you when I spoke to
Speaker 5: the guard that was babbling and screaming at my not prolling,
Speaker 5: what he observed the object was that we were under
Speaker 5: some sort of an attack. I had that definitive feeling
Speaker 5: that something was attacking us. Top side, they had the
Speaker 5: guards with their weapons out. I don't know whether any
Speaker 5: of them fired or tried to fire at the end object,
Speaker 5: although that has been done in other cases with no effect.
Speaker 5: But I did feel that, and so it was a
Speaker 5: matter of urgency at the time. Now, after having researched
Speaker 5: this subject for over thirty years now, I've come to
Speaker 5: the conclusion that particular in our case, there was no
Speaker 5: damage done to the missiles themselves or any of the equipment.
Speaker 4: We just simply turned off, deactivated. That's it.
Speaker 5: Well, Bullying did a bench test on a piece of
Speaker 5: hardware called the Logic coupler. They used various signals that
Speaker 5: rares frequencies, intensity of voltage applied. They did identify the
Speaker 5: particular voltage frequency, etc. We're able to upset this piece
Speaker 5: of hardware. Upset meaning switch on and off remotely from
Speaker 5: an external signal, and that would have resulted in the
Speaker 5: guidance and control system failure of the missile system, which
Speaker 5: shuts down the missile. Of course, because we can't have
Speaker 5: a missile being launched that doesn't have good guidance.
Speaker 6: They think that that could have.
Speaker 5: Been a possibility, but they have no idea what the
Speaker 5: source of such a signal would be. It had to
Speaker 5: be external, and that was documented in one of the
Speaker 5: documents I had.
Speaker 6: It was an.
Speaker 5: External, not internal, signal that shut those missiles down. So yeah,
Speaker 5: we did feel that we were under some sort of
Speaker 5: an attack. Of course, we had this big blast door
Speaker 5: that we were not.
Speaker 7: Allowed to open.
Speaker 5: And would have been not very bright of us to
Speaker 5: open that door and face some sort of an attacking force.
Speaker 5: But after doing my research over thirty years on these
Speaker 5: various other incidents, I have concluded that these were simply
Speaker 5: incidents that were trying to give us some message about
Speaker 5: the stupidity of having nuclear weapons that could annihilate every
Speaker 5: living thing on the planet if we had a nuclear war.
Speaker 5: I think this was simply a message of warning to
Speaker 5: get your act together and get rid of these nukes.
Speaker 4: You know what's really interesting about that is we often
Speaker 4: hear that in people's accounts who have had experiences with
Speaker 4: they say extraterrestrials, that's the message that they're given not
Speaker 4: to use the nukes. Were to take a quick break here, Bob.
Speaker 4: When we come right back, we want to talk to
Speaker 4: you about your feeling when you testified about this very
Speaker 4: incident in two thousand and one at doctor Stephen Grier's
Speaker 4: disclosure event, and how you guys felt on the evening
Speaker 4: before you went in to testify. You're listening to Beyond
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Speaker 4: we're talking today with mister Bob Salas. Listen, I wanted
Speaker 4: to ask you about this, Bob. In two thousand and one,
Speaker 4: doctor Stephen Greer held a disclosure event at the National
Speaker 4: Press Club, of course, and I've talked to different people
Speaker 4: who were witnesses and heard other accounts of people that
Speaker 4: were participating in that, and they all said that they
Speaker 4: seriously felt that this was going to be quote unquote
Speaker 4: disclosure and that the world would change the next day.
Speaker 4: Did you feel that the night before? What was it
Speaker 4: like for you before you guys actually came out with this.
Speaker 5: Of course, that was a long time ago, but yeah,
Speaker 5: I think I recall feeling pretty excited about this opportunity,
Speaker 5: first of all, to tell my story to the public
Speaker 5: with the international press there, we had a lot of media.
Speaker 5: Was a wonderful event in that respect. Yeah, I think
Speaker 5: we all felt that our testimonies were significant, important they
Speaker 5: would rivet the American public on this subject and demand answers, and.
Speaker 7: Some of that happened to some extent.
Speaker 5: However, of course, we know we did not get disclosure,
Speaker 5: and that's why always still working out.
Speaker 4: Are you guys frustrated by the lack of response from
Speaker 4: all this testimonial, these credible witnesses.
Speaker 5: I think, if anything, I'm more determined. I'm more determined
Speaker 5: to see disclosure happen. I can tell you people like
Speaker 5: Steven Bassater.
Speaker 4: Still fight the good fight, absolutely.
Speaker 7: Determined to continue to fight.
Speaker 5: And other people, not just us, but many other people
Speaker 5: are still working hard to see this happen.
Speaker 4: So, you know, many of us are varied appreciative that
Speaker 4: you guys take the time and make the efforts to
Speaker 4: keep pushing this issue and bringing your credibility to Congress.
Speaker 4: What do you feel about some of these other witnesses,
Speaker 4: like David Grosch, for example, coming forward, Now, what do
Speaker 4: you think of.
Speaker 6: It takes some courage to come forward.
Speaker 5: You know, mister Grush, I know, had high security clearances
Speaker 5: and so he's having to put up with a heat
Speaker 5: from what he said. You know, people expose themselves to
Speaker 5: various things like threats, threats that you know they or
Speaker 5: their families might suffer the consequences, and they're putting their
Speaker 5: careers on the line. We have civilian pilots, many civilian
Speaker 5: pilots who have seen these objects experiences with them, are
Speaker 5: very reluctant to come forward again because it would threaten
Speaker 5: their careers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've heard that over the years. Were there any
Speaker 4: other moments that stood out for you yesterday that you
Speaker 4: felt were really compelling or new information for people?
Speaker 5: So, mister Alizondo was asked about UFOs over Langley and
Speaker 5: again he repeated, to his knowledge, certainly, UFO has been
Speaker 5: sided many times over military sites. Asked why hasn't the
Speaker 5: military come forward with these reports to Congress at his
Speaker 5: statement as we don't want to broadcast national security weaknesses. Well,
Speaker 5: if we have weaknesses in our national security, if we
Speaker 5: need funding or new technology to offset those weaknesses, certainly
Speaker 5: it would help if we do the facts.
Speaker 4: Mister you don't feel that we the public need to
Speaker 4: know it, that they need to know it, and then
Speaker 4: they need to.
Speaker 5: Know it at least yeah, because they fund the military.
Speaker 5: Mister Schellenberger confirmed that there is a retrieval of these
Speaker 5: craft program and back engineering program and biologics let's say,
Speaker 5: have been recovered.
Speaker 7: I think there was also a push.
Speaker 5: To look at these special access programs, which are highly secretive,
Speaker 5: the most secretive programs in our governments a government is
Speaker 5: doing and see how they're approved goes because they have
Speaker 5: to be approved by Congress. A lot of these programs
Speaker 5: require funding, and again Congress approves the funding for these
Speaker 5: highly classified, highly secretive.
Speaker 4: Special access programs. Thank you, yes, sir, yes program. You know, also,
Speaker 4: I find it very interesting that these special access programs,
Speaker 4: these unacknowledged programs are exactly what doctor Stephen Greer was
Speaker 4: saying in his films for years. And you know, we
Speaker 4: don't have the identity of the whistleblower who released this
Speaker 4: form right now, the Immaculate Constellation one, but a lot
Speaker 4: of it in there seems to support exactly what doctor
Speaker 4: Greer's position was, that there are these these programs without
Speaker 4: Congressional oversight, and it just kind of fits right into
Speaker 4: the narrative we've been hearing for years.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you a story. I went to the Air
Speaker 5: Force Academy, and I've been to a couple of the reunions,
Speaker 5: and at one of those reunions, one of my classmates
Speaker 5: participated in a SAP. He didn't go into the details,
Speaker 5: but what he said was, of course, we were required
Speaker 5: to report to Congress periodically about how the progress of
Speaker 5: the program and request additional.
Speaker 7: Funding I needed.
Speaker 5: And he said, most congress people are simply not qualified
Speaker 5: to understand the breadth and depth of the programs we
Speaker 5: were doing, and it was very easy for us to
Speaker 5: let's say, simplify or pull the wool over their eyes,
Speaker 5: or you know, however you want to say that.
Speaker 6: And he made that point.
Speaker 5: It was just easy to get by these so called
Speaker 5: congressional briefings. Yeah, this is out of their normal Yeah,
Speaker 5: a part of their normal scope. Most of it is
Speaker 5: very advanced technology that they're working in, and so these
Speaker 5: kinds of programs do not do the job of informing
Speaker 5: the Congress and thereby informing our public's representatives on what
Speaker 5: they're doing behind the scenes.
Speaker 4: That's what we're trying to fix here.
Speaker 5: After the conference, with the help of some very close friends,
Speaker 5: let's say, we were able to get a meeting with
Speaker 5: the chair of the committee that held the hearing, represented MACE,
Speaker 5: and for the first time ever for me, I was
Speaker 5: able to brief her on my incident and emphasize the
Speaker 5: fact that there are still witnesses out there that can
Speaker 5: testify to other similar incidents as my own that show
Speaker 5: the importance or the significance of the ability of these
Speaker 5: i'll call non human objects of extraordinary advanced intelligence that
Speaker 5: know in great depth how our missile systems work. And
Speaker 5: I emphasized that I think it would be a great
Speaker 5: benefit if they had a hearing of simply that topic
Speaker 5: with these other witnesses which I can put her in
Speaker 5: touch with, and she seemed positive to the idea. Of course,
Speaker 5: I cannot speak for her or tell you what the
Speaker 5: chances of that happening are. I just made that point
Speaker 5: to her, and it was great to have this opportunity
Speaker 5: to speak with someone in Congress about these incidents.
Speaker 4: I think it's great. I think them hearing from firsthand
Speaker 4: witnesses like yourself is more compelling than just you know
Speaker 4: what we're doing out here, You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I think. So we're going to take a quick break
Speaker 4: right here and Beyond Contact. We'll be right back. We're
Speaker 4: going to talk to Robert about his thoughts on Schumer's
Speaker 4: UAP bill and some other questions about disclosure coming up.
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Speaker 4: Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're talking to Bob Salas.
Speaker 4: So what is it, Bob that you think of Schumer's
Speaker 4: UAP bill that we had. It seemed to have everything
Speaker 4: that we wanted in it, and then of course they
Speaker 4: gutted it at the last minute and took out all
Speaker 4: the teeth. What are your thoughts on that bill?
Speaker 5: Well, thoughts go back to the idea that there is
Speaker 5: a very strong influence within our government, and not only
Speaker 5: our government, but governments all over the world. With other
Speaker 5: incidents have occurred, a very strong, organized, well funded group
Speaker 5: of people that are working to ensure that we the
Speaker 5: public do not get read in informed on what they've
Speaker 5: actually studied a recovered craft, what kind of conclusions they've
Speaker 5: come to about their occupants, many many topics involved in
Speaker 5: this subject, and they don't want to deal with it.
Speaker 5: I certainly don't.
Speaker 4: Want any idea who this could be. Is this some
Speaker 4: secret group like a derivative of MJ twelve or something,
Speaker 4: or who.
Speaker 5: I think it's the derivative of MG twelve if you
Speaker 5: believe Stanton Friedman, who has confirmed some of the MG
Speaker 5: twelve documents that I do believe him a new state
Speaker 5: for a long time.
Speaker 7: At any rate, some.
Speaker 5: Sort of clandestine group was established early on during the
Speaker 5: Truman administration or even before that, that are not only fearful,
Speaker 5: but they don't want to deal with the public outcry
Speaker 5: or outfall of disclosure.
Speaker 6: Now it's up to the Congress to fight this.
Speaker 5: In my opinion, people like represented Mace, of course, represented Burchett,
Speaker 5: even Moskowitz, Warren on others, and Schumer himself. I'm absolowly
Speaker 5: convinced that Schumer would not have withdrawn or that unless
Speaker 5: he was influenced let's say by some groups that we
Speaker 5: are not aware of and I couldn't possibly identify for you.
Speaker 4: If we get something like this, if the UAP bill
Speaker 4: gets reinstated, let's just say, and we get all these
Speaker 4: things we want, do you think that would really lead
Speaker 4: to government disclosure? Or do you think that this group
Speaker 4: we're talking about the derivative of MG twelve, let's say,
Speaker 4: would they somehow circumvent that law and still keep this
Speaker 4: stuff hidden. That's how I feel it would go down.
Speaker 4: They would find a way to bury it elsewhere. What
Speaker 4: do you think?
Speaker 6: I agree?
Speaker 5: I know, And in fact, the Air Force has kind
Speaker 5: of thunder their nose at Arrow because I asked Arrow
Speaker 5: after I gave my presentation, will you check with the
Speaker 5: Air Force and confirm what I've just told you, and
Speaker 5: they said, no, we tried.
Speaker 4: That, and it's insane. That's insane.
Speaker 7: Yes, it's insane.
Speaker 5: They're supposed to have the authority to ask the Air
Speaker 5: Force and demand from the Air Force information about this subject,
Speaker 5: and they basically gave them the figure. So how do
Speaker 5: you fight that. It would take a presidential decree of
Speaker 5: some sort or intervention to get these agencies to kind of.
Speaker 4: It just feels layers upon layers. You're saying that Arrow's
Speaker 4: saying they can't get the information exact, even what we
Speaker 4: have given Arrow. We both know of people that have
Speaker 4: directly given Arrow information. Then they come out with a
Speaker 4: statement saying that there's absolutely nothing to see here.
Speaker 5: I've got that on audio tape by the way. Oh
Speaker 5: yeah yeah. I basically said no, we're not going to
Speaker 5: check with the Air Force on what I just told
Speaker 5: them for two hours and presented twenty two documents in
Speaker 5: aff of David's too.
Speaker 4: This seems like they're no better. They seem to not
Speaker 4: be a very legitimate thing. It seems very disingenuous given
Speaker 4: all the testimony and credible military witnesses that they've confronted,
Speaker 4: and they're not really doing their things. So wet I
Speaker 4: don't even know where we have to go if the
Speaker 4: Errow can't help us and Congress doesn't seem to be
Speaker 4: able to help us. It seems like this is very
Speaker 4: deep enough that going to be very difficult to pierce.
Speaker 6: It will be it's a difficult challenge, Bob.
Speaker 4: Lastly, let me ask you if you've had any other
Speaker 4: direct paranormal experiences since nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 7: Yes.
Speaker 5: I learned these details after four or five sessions hypnotic
Speaker 5: and non hypnotic regression. In nineteen eighty five, I was
Speaker 5: at this particular home in Manhattan Beach, California, with my
Speaker 5: wife and two small children. At the time, we were
Speaker 5: all asleep, and I suddenly woke up and noticed that
Speaker 5: there was a bluish light coming from our living room,
Speaker 5: a strong blue light, and of course we didn't have
Speaker 5: any blue lights in our living room, so I thought
Speaker 5: we might be experienced a burglary or something like that.
Speaker 5: I woke my wife and she also saw the blue light,
Speaker 5: and right after that I became completely paralyzed. I couldn't
Speaker 5: move and I struggled. I remember struggling to the point
Speaker 5: of sweating, and I could not move. Suddenly saw a
Speaker 5: figure in the doorway a hooded figure. I don't recall
Speaker 5: seeing the face or I can't describe the face to you,
Speaker 5: but it had a hood over it. And then the
Speaker 5: next thing I recall is sensing that there were some
Speaker 5: small beings in the room. I thought they were children
Speaker 5: at the time because they were small in stature. I
Speaker 5: don't recall at that point what they looked like. They
Speaker 5: were very quickly they moved me off the bed, actually
Speaker 5: rose up off the bed.
Speaker 7: I don't think they.
Speaker 5: Were touching me at all, and directed me, moving me
Speaker 5: towards the bedroom window, I thought at the time because
Speaker 5: I had locked the window. I remember locking the window
Speaker 5: before I went to bed, and there was a latch
Speaker 5: that they would have to unlatch and then lift the
Speaker 5: window up to get me out. But they didn't bother
Speaker 5: with any of that. They just took me right through
Speaker 5: the window. I know that sounds a little ridiculous, but it.
Speaker 4: Does, except that we've heard it in time and time
Speaker 4: and time again.
Speaker 7: Yes we have.
Speaker 5: But they took me right through the window, no broken glass.
Speaker 5: I don't know how they were able to do that,
Speaker 5: but that's what happened. I see a bright light in
Speaker 5: our backyard but that's all remember about any craft. But
Speaker 5: I think I was taking up on board a craft
Speaker 5: because the next thing I saw was a long needle.
Speaker 5: Can't tell how long, but it was pretty darn long,
Speaker 5: over a foot long.
Speaker 4: Well, that's yeah, what you're showing me. They're scary.
Speaker 6: And they had placed that right in front of my eyes.
Speaker 5: I was being held by some very long fingers, long
Speaker 5: bony fingers, and it placed in front of my eyes
Speaker 5: and said telepathically, because I don't remember any vocal message,
Speaker 5: said telepathically. They were going to insert this in my
Speaker 5: growing area, let's say, the worst place you would want
Speaker 5: anybody to insert a needle. They started that, but it
Speaker 5: wouldn't hurt, they said. And I remember that specifically because
Speaker 5: when they did insert the needle, it hurt like hell,
Speaker 5: extremely painful. Yeah, initially it was very very painful. One
Speaker 5: of the reasons I'm I'm sure this was not some
Speaker 5: sort of a dream is because of that pain I felt,
Speaker 5: and I expressed that, and then very shortly the pain
Speaker 5: just went away. I proceeded to do what they were
Speaker 5: going to do, and then they had me sit up
Speaker 5: on the table.
Speaker 7: Side of the table.
Speaker 5: I had two escort I think they were the small grays,
Speaker 5: now the large heads. They again took me off the
Speaker 5: bed and floated me. I was never walking in this craft.
Speaker 5: We floated over to a molded seating in the side
Speaker 5: of the craft. Later it got me up and took
Speaker 5: me over to another little cubical ad. Another individual was there,
Speaker 5: turned me around with two fingers, went down my spine,
Speaker 5: taking my spine or nervous system, I guess, I don't know,
Speaker 5: and then I was escorted out along a curved hallway.
Speaker 5: I saw a bright white light at the end. I
Speaker 5: was back in my bed in my home. Thanks Monk.
Speaker 5: Neither my wife nor myself remembered any of that. And
Speaker 5: then fast forward about twenty seven years later. I was
Speaker 5: in Ireland, actually at a conference. They had other experiences there.
Speaker 5: One of them got up and said there was a
Speaker 5: blue light that came into her bedroom. Something went off
Speaker 5: in my head and I turned to my wife sitting
Speaker 5: next to me, and said.
Speaker 6: Do you remember a blue light in our bedroom a.
Speaker 7: Long time ago?
Speaker 5: She said yes she did, and that was what kicked
Speaker 5: off some very brief memories. But that evening I was
Speaker 5: able to find an individual who have to be also
Speaker 5: speaking there and went through my first regression, and then
Speaker 5: I had three or four others with other people that
Speaker 5: worked with experiences, and that's what I was able to
Speaker 5: recover these memories that I just described.
Speaker 4: Incredible, No wonder you've been so supportive of this topic, Bob.
Speaker 4: I want to thank you so much for taking the
Speaker 4: time and sharing your personal stories with us in your
Speaker 4: first hand account of this experience. Thanks so much.
Speaker 7: Oh, You're welcome and I'm happy to do it all right.
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