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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week our Beyond Content,

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Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we're

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Speaker 4: going to be speaking with an actual US Air Force

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Speaker 4: Captain Robert Salas Roberts a graduate of US Air Force Academy,

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Speaker 4: he served seven years on active duty. He worked as

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Speaker 4: a weapons controller, flew target drones, commanded intercontinental ballistic missiles,

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Speaker 4: as a launch officer and worked as an Air Force

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Speaker 4: missile propulsion engineer on the Titan Free program. From nineteen

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Speaker 4: seventy one to nineteen seventy three. He worked as a

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Speaker 4: safety and reliability engineer for Martin Marietta Aerospace and Rockwell

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Speaker 4: International on space station design proposals. From nineteen seventy four

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Speaker 4: till his retirement in nineteen ninety five, he worked for

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Speaker 4: the Federal Aviation Administration. He has testified in Washington on

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Speaker 4: numerous occasions regarding his experiences from nineteen sixty seven. On

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Speaker 4: March twenty fourth, as a missile launch officer, he was

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Speaker 4: a first hand witness to our missiles being turned off

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Speaker 4: during a UFO sighting. Is an absolute great honor to

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Speaker 4: have this man with us here today. Welcome Captain Robert Sallas.

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Speaker 5: How are you, sir, Hi Ron, I'm doing pretty well considering.

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Speaker 6: A foreign land called Washington, d C.

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Speaker 4: How strange. So tell us how that went yesterday? We

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Speaker 4: had the big congressional hearings again. You know, I was

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Speaker 4: addressing the UAP topic. What were your thoughts on that hearing?

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Speaker 5: Thanks, it was it felt good. It was a lot

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Speaker 5: we all cheered when the witnesses came into the room,

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Speaker 5: and spontaneously it was everybody was glad to be there

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Speaker 5: and glad it happened, because these don't happen often enough.

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Speaker 5: I think mister Schellenberger kind of got the ball rolling

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Speaker 5: when he announced that he was submitting a report.

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Speaker 4: His report was he turned to the Immaculate Constellation.

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Speaker 6: That was it in the Immaculate constellation.

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Speaker 4: In which we don't know how authentic that is necessarily yet,

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Speaker 4: but this is something that he brought up and he

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Speaker 5: Yes, he did, and it has become a record of

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Speaker 5: I haven't seen it.

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Speaker 4: No, I think it's online already.

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Speaker 6: Oh it's online, right, I think so, yes, sir.

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Speaker 7: Fantastic.

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Speaker 5: From what I could understand about it, it showed a

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Speaker 6: The government, He stated, the government has many.

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Speaker 5: Videos, clear videos of objects. There were some censorship and

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Speaker 5: he said DoD and the Intelligence Committee are treating us

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Speaker 5: citizens like children. Mister Gold, who I believe still works

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Speaker 5: In fact, I myself have submitted proposals for two years

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Speaker 5: Gold made the point that NASA has a vast scientific

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Speaker 4: So do you think we need more whistleblower protection in

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Speaker 4: Bob, when you watch this thing, I think many of us,

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Speaker 4: certainly myself. It's very frustrating at home when you hear

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Speaker 5: It would be couched statements because again, even people in

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Speaker 5: and the Congress people are getting the information they need

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Speaker 5: to follow up on their activities. But what we need

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Speaker 5: is a real breakthrough. There seems to be a stranglehold

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Speaker 4: Do we know who's blocking this and why they're blocking this?

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Speaker 5: I certainly don't. We can only speculate, as I've written

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Speaker 5: they're using many different means, including intimidation witnesses, intimidation of Congress.

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Speaker 6: I think to hold on to these secrets.

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Speaker 4: Do you feel it's a good thing that we're at least,

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Speaker 4: Or do you feel that these aren't very productive.

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Speaker 6: I think they are productive.

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Speaker 5: They bring the subject up in public awareness and hopeful media.

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Speaker 5: Hopefully in media awareness, although I don't think I've seen

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Speaker 4: On what I hear from people, Bob is that I

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Speaker 5: No, you have to really rely on the credibility of

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Speaker 5: I think the status of the people that were there,

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Speaker 6: They all made the point that there is a strong.

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Speaker 5: Cover up that these are objects under intelligent control. These

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Speaker 6: But it's not enough.

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Speaker 5: It's certainly not enough for NBC News to announce that

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Speaker 4: And that's the frustration for us in the audience, Bob,

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Speaker 4: that it's not enough. It's not enough. Really, quick break there,

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Speaker 4: Bob will be right back. When we come back. We're

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Speaker 4: going to talk to Bob about his experience and what

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Speaker 4: he feels if his experience was definitely off planet. You're

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Speaker 4: We're talking to mister Robert Solas. Robert in your experience,

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Speaker 4: going back to your siting and experience back in nineteen

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Speaker 4: sixty seven, did you feel for sure that this incident

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Speaker 4: was off planet? Could it not have been a foreign

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Speaker 5: No, of course, I was trained in the missile system

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Speaker 5: had other experiences other than my own with these objects.

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Speaker 6: They were able to do. These objects were able to do.

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Speaker 5: Something that simply defied our understanding of how they were

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Speaker 5: able to do it. The object was hovering just above

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Speaker 5: triplely shielded cabling system that we had and send specific

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Speaker 5: for an adversary get that detailed information to have that capability.

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Speaker 4: They wouldn't that a possibility. I mean, I know that's unlikely,

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Speaker 5: Let's say, okay, it was done by any equipment that

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Speaker 4: Had, And did all the people around you feel the

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Speaker 5: Yes, we were on a routine. When we went out

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Speaker 5: I was there for three years. I never had any

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Speaker 5: see if they could actually do this, you know, shut

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Speaker 5: described by the witnesses top side that I spoke with.

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Speaker 5: We had no aircraft, certainly they could do anything like that.

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Speaker 5: We had no aircraft that could hover in nineteen sixty seven,

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Speaker 5: and no aircraft that could hover above our facility. And

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Speaker 5: like I said, make those signal penetrations. And this was

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Speaker 5: repeated three times within the span of six months. Within

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Speaker 5: the span of six months, the missile site at Minor

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Speaker 5: have a witness to that. We also have a witness

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Speaker 5: to the incident that happened eight days before my incident,

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Speaker 5: that was Colonel Waldfiegel at Echo Flight. The incident happened

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Speaker 5: in March sixteenth, nineteen sixty seven. All these incidents have

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Speaker 5: received from the Air Force under the Free Reformation Act.

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Speaker 5: But after doing my research over thirty years on these

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Speaker 4: we're talking today with mister Bob Salas. Listen, I wanted

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Speaker 6: It takes some courage to come forward.

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Speaker 5: touch with, and she seemed positive to the idea. Of course,

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Speaker 5: I cannot speak for her or tell you what the

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Speaker 5: chances of that happening are. I just made that point

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Speaker 5: to her, and it was great to have this opportunity

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Speaker 5: to speak with someone in Congress about these incidents.

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Speaker 4: I think it's great. I think them hearing from firsthand

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Speaker 4: witnesses like yourself is more compelling than just you know

445
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Speaker 4: what we're doing out here, You know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: I think. So we're going to take a quick break

447
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Speaker 4: right here and Beyond Contact. We'll be right back. We're

448
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Speaker 4: going to talk to Robert about his thoughts on Schumer's

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Speaker 4: UAP bill and some other questions about disclosure coming up.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio on Coast

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Speaker 4: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. We are back on

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Speaker 4: Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're talking to Bob Salas.

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Speaker 4: So what is it, Bob that you think of Schumer's

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Speaker 4: UAP bill that we had. It seemed to have everything

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Speaker 4: that we wanted in it, and then of course they

456
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 4: gutted it at the last minute and took out all

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Speaker 4: the teeth. What are your thoughts on that bill?

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Speaker 5: Well, thoughts go back to the idea that there is

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Speaker 5: a very strong influence within our government, and not only

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Speaker 5: our government, but governments all over the world. With other

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Speaker 5: incidents have occurred, a very strong, organized, well funded group

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Speaker 5: of people that are working to ensure that we the

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Speaker 5: public do not get read in informed on what they've

464
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Speaker 5: actually studied a recovered craft, what kind of conclusions they've

465
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Speaker 5: come to about their occupants, many many topics involved in

466
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Speaker 5: this subject, and they don't want to deal with it.

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Speaker 5: I certainly don't.

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Speaker 4: Want any idea who this could be. Is this some

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Speaker 4: secret group like a derivative of MJ twelve or something,

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Speaker 4: or who.

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Speaker 5: I think it's the derivative of MG twelve if you

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Speaker 5: believe Stanton Friedman, who has confirmed some of the MG

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Speaker 5: twelve documents that I do believe him a new state

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Speaker 5: for a long time.

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Speaker 7: At any rate, some.

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Speaker 5: Sort of clandestine group was established early on during the

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Speaker 5: Truman administration or even before that, that are not only fearful,

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Speaker 5: but they don't want to deal with the public outcry

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Speaker 5: or outfall of disclosure.

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Speaker 6: Now it's up to the Congress to fight this.

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Speaker 5: In my opinion, people like represented Mace, of course, represented Burchett,

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Speaker 5: even Moskowitz, Warren on others, and Schumer himself. I'm absolowly

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Speaker 5: convinced that Schumer would not have withdrawn or that unless

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Speaker 5: he was influenced let's say by some groups that we

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Speaker 5: are not aware of and I couldn't possibly identify for you.

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Speaker 4: If we get something like this, if the UAP bill

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Speaker 4: gets reinstated, let's just say, and we get all these

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Speaker 4: things we want, do you think that would really lead

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Speaker 4: to government disclosure? Or do you think that this group

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Speaker 4: we're talking about the derivative of MG twelve, let's say,

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Speaker 4: would they somehow circumvent that law and still keep this

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Speaker 4: stuff hidden. That's how I feel it would go down.

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Speaker 4: They would find a way to bury it elsewhere. What

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Speaker 4: do you think?

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Speaker 6: I agree?

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Speaker 5: I know, And in fact, the Air Force has kind

497
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Speaker 5: of thunder their nose at Arrow because I asked Arrow

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Speaker 5: after I gave my presentation, will you check with the

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Speaker 5: Air Force and confirm what I've just told you, and

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Speaker 5: they said, no, we tried.

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Speaker 4: That, and it's insane. That's insane.

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Speaker 7: Yes, it's insane.

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Speaker 5: They're supposed to have the authority to ask the Air

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Speaker 5: Force and demand from the Air Force information about this subject,

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Speaker 5: and they basically gave them the figure. So how do

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Speaker 5: you fight that. It would take a presidential decree of

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Speaker 5: some sort or intervention to get these agencies to kind of.

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Speaker 4: It just feels layers upon layers. You're saying that Arrow's

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Speaker 4: saying they can't get the information exact, even what we

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Speaker 4: have given Arrow. We both know of people that have

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Speaker 4: directly given Arrow information. Then they come out with a

512
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Speaker 4: statement saying that there's absolutely nothing to see here.

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Speaker 5: I've got that on audio tape by the way. Oh

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Speaker 5: yeah yeah. I basically said no, we're not going to

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Speaker 5: check with the Air Force on what I just told

516
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Speaker 5: them for two hours and presented twenty two documents in

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Speaker 5: aff of David's too.

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Speaker 4: This seems like they're no better. They seem to not

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Speaker 4: be a very legitimate thing. It seems very disingenuous given

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Speaker 4: all the testimony and credible military witnesses that they've confronted,

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Speaker 4: and they're not really doing their things. So wet I

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Speaker 4: don't even know where we have to go if the

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Speaker 4: Errow can't help us and Congress doesn't seem to be

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Speaker 4: able to help us. It seems like this is very

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Speaker 4: deep enough that going to be very difficult to pierce.

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Speaker 6: It will be it's a difficult challenge, Bob.

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Speaker 4: Lastly, let me ask you if you've had any other

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Speaker 4: direct paranormal experiences since nineteen sixty seven.

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Speaker 7: Yes.

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Speaker 5: I learned these details after four or five sessions hypnotic

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Speaker 5: and non hypnotic regression. In nineteen eighty five, I was

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Speaker 5: at this particular home in Manhattan Beach, California, with my

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Speaker 5: wife and two small children. At the time, we were

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Speaker 5: all asleep, and I suddenly woke up and noticed that

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Speaker 5: there was a bluish light coming from our living room,

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Speaker 5: a strong blue light, and of course we didn't have

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Speaker 5: any blue lights in our living room, so I thought

538
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Speaker 5: we might be experienced a burglary or something like that.

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Speaker 5: I woke my wife and she also saw the blue light,

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Speaker 5: and right after that I became completely paralyzed. I couldn't

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Speaker 5: move and I struggled. I remember struggling to the point

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Speaker 5: of sweating, and I could not move. Suddenly saw a

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Speaker 5: figure in the doorway a hooded figure. I don't recall

544
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Speaker 5: seeing the face or I can't describe the face to you,

545
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Speaker 5: but it had a hood over it. And then the

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Speaker 5: next thing I recall is sensing that there were some

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Speaker 5: small beings in the room. I thought they were children

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Speaker 5: at the time because they were small in stature. I

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Speaker 5: don't recall at that point what they looked like. They

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Speaker 5: were very quickly they moved me off the bed, actually

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Speaker 5: rose up off the bed.

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Speaker 7: I don't think they.

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Speaker 5: Were touching me at all, and directed me, moving me

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Speaker 5: towards the bedroom window, I thought at the time because

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Speaker 5: I had locked the window. I remember locking the window

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Speaker 5: before I went to bed, and there was a latch

557
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Speaker 5: that they would have to unlatch and then lift the

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Speaker 5: window up to get me out. But they didn't bother

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Speaker 5: with any of that. They just took me right through

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Speaker 5: the window. I know that sounds a little ridiculous, but it.

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Speaker 4: Does, except that we've heard it in time and time

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Speaker 4: and time again.

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Speaker 7: Yes we have.

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Speaker 5: But they took me right through the window, no broken glass.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how they were able to do that,

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Speaker 5: but that's what happened. I see a bright light in

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Speaker 5: our backyard but that's all remember about any craft. But

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Speaker 5: I think I was taking up on board a craft

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Speaker 5: because the next thing I saw was a long needle.

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Speaker 5: Can't tell how long, but it was pretty darn long,

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Speaker 5: over a foot long.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's yeah, what you're showing me. They're scary.

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Speaker 6: And they had placed that right in front of my eyes.

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Speaker 5: I was being held by some very long fingers, long

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Speaker 5: bony fingers, and it placed in front of my eyes

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Speaker 5: and said telepathically, because I don't remember any vocal message,

577
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 5: said telepathically. They were going to insert this in my

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Speaker 5: growing area, let's say, the worst place you would want

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Speaker 5: anybody to insert a needle. They started that, but it

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00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 5: wouldn't hurt, they said. And I remember that specifically because

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Speaker 5: when they did insert the needle, it hurt like hell,

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Speaker 5: extremely painful. Yeah, initially it was very very painful. One

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Speaker 5: of the reasons I'm I'm sure this was not some

584
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Speaker 5: sort of a dream is because of that pain I felt,

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00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 5: and I expressed that, and then very shortly the pain

586
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 5: just went away. I proceeded to do what they were

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Speaker 5: going to do, and then they had me sit up

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Speaker 5: on the table.

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Speaker 7: Side of the table.

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Speaker 5: I had two escort I think they were the small grays,

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Speaker 5: now the large heads. They again took me off the

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Speaker 5: bed and floated me. I was never walking in this craft.

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Speaker 5: We floated over to a molded seating in the side

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Speaker 5: of the craft. Later it got me up and took

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Speaker 5: me over to another little cubical ad. Another individual was there,

596
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 5: turned me around with two fingers, went down my spine,

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Speaker 5: taking my spine or nervous system, I guess, I don't know,

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Speaker 5: and then I was escorted out along a curved hallway.

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00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 5: I saw a bright white light at the end. I

600
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Speaker 5: was back in my bed in my home. Thanks Monk.

601
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Speaker 5: Neither my wife nor myself remembered any of that. And

602
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Speaker 5: then fast forward about twenty seven years later. I was

603
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Speaker 5: in Ireland, actually at a conference. They had other experiences there.

604
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Speaker 5: One of them got up and said there was a

605
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 5: blue light that came into her bedroom. Something went off

606
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 5: in my head and I turned to my wife sitting

607
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 5: next to me, and said.

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Speaker 6: Do you remember a blue light in our bedroom a.

609
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 7: Long time ago?

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Speaker 5: She said yes she did, and that was what kicked

611
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Speaker 5: off some very brief memories. But that evening I was

612
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 5: able to find an individual who have to be also

613
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 5: speaking there and went through my first regression, and then

614
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Speaker 5: I had three or four others with other people that

615
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 5: worked with experiences, and that's what I was able to

616
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Speaker 5: recover these memories that I just described.

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Speaker 4: Incredible, No wonder you've been so supportive of this topic, Bob.

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Speaker 4: I want to thank you so much for taking the

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Speaker 4: time and sharing your personal stories with us in your

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Speaker 4: first hand account of this experience. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 7: Oh, You're welcome and I'm happy to do it all right.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for listening. Everyone to be on contact. We'll be

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Speaker 4: back next week with an all new episode. You can

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