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Speaker 1: Danny Serek, and Kyle Yeoman's Boy, it's another Tuesday edition
Speaker 1: of Talking Cowboys as we roll along here in this
Speaker 1: twenty twenty Dallas Cowboys off season, and we're gonna break
Speaker 1: down quite a few moves actually, that the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: made since the NFL Draft a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's here with our residents, Super Bowl champion Isaiah Standback.
Speaker 1: We've got Cowboys insider Rob Phillips and our Swiss army
Speaker 1: knife of an analyst in Heckma Harris. And that's probably
Speaker 1: the best way to describe Heckma, of course, and we
Speaker 1: are having some technical difficulties with Heckma on the audio
Speaker 1: side of things, but we'll get those worked out in
Speaker 1: the next couple of moments. But guys, it's it's sinco
Speaker 1: de mayo. It's the equinox. In terms of the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty NFL offseason. Ninety three days since Super Bowl fifty four,
Speaker 1: and it's ninety two and a half days pretty much
Speaker 1: until the August sixth preseason opener of the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame Game in Canton, Ohio. We're halfway through this offseason hopefully,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, there's still plenty to talk
Speaker 1: about because things just keep on happening. Rob Cowboys just
Speaker 1: keep making moves. Don't think we thought. We talked about
Speaker 1: it on the show last week that are they done?
Speaker 1: And obviously they've worked one. They made a couple of signings,
Speaker 1: and Andy Dalton being the big one that came down
Speaker 1: over the weekend, and I just I want to get
Speaker 1: outs take on this because he, like you said, he's
Speaker 1: the resident quarterback of this group. But I just want
Speaker 1: to say, it's not about Dak Prescott. I repeat, it
Speaker 1: is not about Dak Prescott. You know, I look full
Speaker 1: disclosure for me. I don't want to see anybody ever
Speaker 1: lose their job, especially not in the situation that we're
Speaker 1: in right now across the country, across the world. But
Speaker 1: from a pure business standpoint, when you look at the
Speaker 1: Cowboys situation at quarterback, they were going to pay Cooper
Speaker 1: Rush two point one million dollars to probably be the
Speaker 1: backup quarterback. Andy Dalton now comes in and if he
Speaker 1: doesn't play a snap and he's just the backup for Dak,
Speaker 1: he makes three and so that's not a huge difference.
Speaker 1: But you're getting a guy that is a three time
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl or a nine year starter and has been
Speaker 1: around and taking a team to the playoffs in Cincinnati
Speaker 1: five times. I think it was a no brainer for
Speaker 1: a guy that wanted to come back to Texas. Examine.
Speaker 1: This is an awesome pickup. I repeat, this is an
Speaker 1: awesome pick up. Again, Will and the rest of the
Speaker 1: crew have done an amazing job over there at the start.
Speaker 1: Listen if you can pick up, Like you said, this
Speaker 1: is not about Dak, right, but if you have an opportunity,
Speaker 1: your jobs as a general manager, your job as a
Speaker 1: head coach, your job as a scout is to acquire
Speaker 1: the most amount of talent you possibly can on your
Speaker 1: roster and making sure that you stay underneath the cat.
Speaker 1: If you can acquire that, right, and you can add
Speaker 1: a talent level like Andy Dalton unto your depth chart,
Speaker 1: why would you not, right, So, if everybody's out there
Speaker 1: throwing shade, and everybody out there that's wondering about Dak.
Speaker 1: Dak is gonna get what close to forty million dollars
Speaker 1: this year, right, So he's a quarterback, Okay, don't worry
Speaker 1: about that, whether it's under the franchise, whether it's underneath
Speaker 1: a new contract, he's the guy. But you just added
Speaker 1: somebody who's been to three Pro Bowls, right, yeah, five times,
Speaker 1: So somebody who has more experience than you're starting quarterback.
Speaker 1: He's coming in a position where he could just relax.
Speaker 1: He can be a coach, right, he could be a mentor,
Speaker 1: and in case something does happen with Dak, that is
Speaker 1: your best insurance, Paul, So you could have possibly gotten
Speaker 1: in this entire league. So great move by the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Awesome job. They just continue making them making the best decisions.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad we're all on the same page in
Speaker 1: that regard that this isn't about Dak. And that was
Speaker 1: going to be a conversation that at least if somebody disagreed,
Speaker 1: I was going to throw that out there. It was
Speaker 1: that even a possibility. I don't think that's the case.
Speaker 1: I think this is one hundred percent of backup role
Speaker 1: and it's a brilliant idea because if you look at
Speaker 1: last year, the Cowboys would have loved to have a
Speaker 1: guy like Andy Dalton throwing the football down the stretch whatever.
Speaker 1: Dak was having those shoulder issue issues and he had
Speaker 1: a little bit of a nagging injury that kind of
Speaker 1: kept him from being one hundred percent. Now you have
Speaker 1: a guy that if Dak Prescott isn't one hundred percent
Speaker 1: and he isn't seeing the same kind of success that
Speaker 1: he would normally have as the Cowboys quarterback, you could
Speaker 1: pull in at Andy Dalton for a driver too. It's
Speaker 1: kind of switch things up. It opens things up for
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore even more so, even though you did already
Speaker 1: do that in the draft with Ceedee Lamb. Now you
Speaker 1: will it up with the options of backup quarterback. But Isaiah,
Speaker 1: it kind of brings me to the question of what
Speaker 1: kind of competition does this cause in the quarterback room
Speaker 1: because now there's four quarterbacks. We had five. Cooper Rush
Speaker 1: was released over the past couple of days, but you
Speaker 1: do have four quarterbacks with Clayton Thorson in there, Ben Denucci,
Speaker 1: the recent seventh round draft pick, and then Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: and Andy Dalton of course the top two in the
Speaker 1: quarterback room. But what kind of competition, what kind of
Speaker 1: conversations are going on in that room? Isaiah, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's really a three mass show right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously you got that's the guy, right, I mean, hopefully
Speaker 1: we can get him signed and get him rolling and
Speaker 1: be confident in that for however many years, whether it's
Speaker 1: four year deal, whether it's a five year deal going forward.
Speaker 1: And then you have Andy Dalton, who's the one year
Speaker 1: insurance policy, right, So that's that's that's your insurance policy
Speaker 1: that you can know just in case anything happens a deck.
Speaker 1: Any team would prefer to have an experienced playoff, Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl quarterback as the first option in the first line
Speaker 1: of defense to be able to come in if something
Speaker 1: happened to your starter. So that's your insurance policy. And
Speaker 1: then you got de Nucci, who's obviously he's your development guy, right.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that you picked up that you feel
Speaker 1: like you know has some good talent, but he needs
Speaker 1: some time. And what better guy has to learn from
Speaker 1: than dam and Andy. So um, I think that's a
Speaker 1: great room. It's gonna be competitive, right, it does. It
Speaker 1: should light a fire underneath underneath that. Right. Obviously he
Speaker 1: knows that he's a guy, but right now he's coming
Speaker 1: underneath if unless they get a deal done, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a one year contract guy, right, He's gonna be
Speaker 1: a franchise guy possibly, or so if he signs that deal,
Speaker 1: he's underneath the one year contract. Him Andy Dalton are
Speaker 1: in the same situation, just for substantially different money. Right,
Speaker 1: So any Dolton's not gonna allow for him to really
Speaker 1: fall off in terms of his production, right, Not that
Speaker 1: he would want to anyway, or that he would because
Speaker 1: it's a money year for him right now. But any
Speaker 1: Dalton is that is that guy that you have to
Speaker 1: look over your shoulder and be like, crap, I gotta
Speaker 1: be on point because they do have somebody who's proven
Speaker 1: that I can't fall off. Because this dude has shown
Speaker 1: that he's been able to do this, he can do this,
Speaker 1: and he's waiting for that opportunity because you know, any
Speaker 1: Dolton's trying to cash a check in next year somewhere. Yeah, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: it's a good point because he talked about that on
Speaker 1: Adam Schefter's podcast yesterday, how he's taken a long term
Speaker 1: view of his career, and he's trying to set up
Speaker 1: the last half of his career, and he thinks that
Speaker 1: this is a good move for him, at least for
Speaker 1: this year. And he spoke about this too. Look, we're
Speaker 1: all facing this COVID nineteen crisis across the country. And
Speaker 1: for him, he has a home, he has his family
Speaker 1: here in the Dallas area, So to not have to
Speaker 1: pick up and move your family during an uncertain time
Speaker 1: made sense for him. He said that that was a factor.
Speaker 1: But you're right, you know, Mike McCarthy comes in. He
Speaker 1: wants to develop the quarterback room. He talked about that
Speaker 1: before the draft. So Ben Denucci's one edition, and now
Speaker 1: you've got a guy in Dalton who says, look, I'm
Speaker 1: willing to help however I can. I think he understands
Speaker 1: his role. But it's an interesting move by the Cowboys
Speaker 1: because it's a little bit of a departure from what
Speaker 1: they've done in recent years. You know, I think it's
Speaker 1: kind of started with Dak. They get Dak in the
Speaker 1: fourth round and they develop him into a starter, and
Speaker 1: they feel like, okay, let's go that route with our backups.
Speaker 1: We can maybe go a little cheaper but we were
Speaker 1: proven that we can develop young quarterbacks. It didn't work
Speaker 1: with brand Weedon and Matt Castle, and that's that's where
Speaker 1: the departure went. But now you know, this is like
Speaker 1: you said, I think this was just too good an
Speaker 1: opportunity to pass up for a number two guy. Well,
Speaker 1: when it does, go for it in a sense, no, don't.
Speaker 1: Probably I agree with you. That says that they've stayed
Speaker 1: away from competition in this particular room for a long time, right,
Speaker 1: like like genuine real competition, not no disrespect to the
Speaker 1: guys that have passed, like weeding the guys that you've mentioned, right,
Speaker 1: But this is the first time that they've added anybody
Speaker 1: of that that can truly challenge the starter aside from
Speaker 1: Deck right aside from Deck. When Dad came in and
Speaker 1: Dak was the backup to Romo, that was the first
Speaker 1: time that they really had any talent that could really
Speaker 1: challenge that that starting the position. So I think that
Speaker 1: this is an absolutely awesome move because it does make
Speaker 1: that room more competitive in every other position. If you're
Speaker 1: going to be competitive, why would you always steer away
Speaker 1: from it at the quarterback position. You need somebody pushing
Speaker 1: it in that regarded we're seeing the same thing happened
Speaker 1: in Green Bay. Yeah, and you saw that happen in
Speaker 1: Green Bay with Mike McCarthy at the Helm with Brett
Speaker 1: Farve and then of course Aaron Rodgers there as well.
Speaker 1: Now they're doing it again with Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love,
Speaker 1: and we'll see how that kind of works out. But
Speaker 1: I don't think this is a similar situation by any means.
Speaker 1: Now you're you're talking about your starting quarterback being twenty
Speaker 1: six years old, and now you're backups thirty two and
Speaker 1: has been to a couple of Pro Bowls and has
Speaker 1: had a longer career and had ten seasons compared to
Speaker 1: four seasons of being a quarterback in the NFL. And
Speaker 1: I like what Rob kind of brought up in the
Speaker 1: fact of it being the backside of Andy Dalton's career
Speaker 1: and him setting himself up for success. This is as
Speaker 1: much of a gamble for Andy Dalton as it is
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, and I think that's one of the
Speaker 1: biggest things moving forward to look at. I believe we
Speaker 1: have Heckma back with us. Are you here, Heckma Man?
Speaker 1: You guys, you know I'm not I'm not made for
Speaker 1: these technical difficulties man at all. And but yeah, I've
Speaker 1: been listening to you guys trying to get these get
Speaker 1: everything fixed. Look, I don't know as far as I
Speaker 1: just wanted to tell you guys about my initial reaction
Speaker 1: to the Andy Dalton signing. And I thought, like every well,
Speaker 1: I hope, I thought, like everyone else, is that this
Speaker 1: is just a continuation of the brilliance of the front
Speaker 1: office signing a guy like Andy Dalton. I mean, for
Speaker 1: years we've been needing a formidable backup and we got that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Rob and Isaiah has already crossed this bridge,
Speaker 1: but guys, I just felt this though there was no
Speaker 1: conspiracy uh there. And maybe I'm just one of those
Speaker 1: less woke people. I didn't I didn't see the conspiracy.
Speaker 1: I didn't think that there was anything to the fact
Speaker 1: that we signed uh Andy. The only thing I thought
Speaker 1: was as brilliant, you know, brilliant on behalf of Will
Speaker 1: McClay and Stephen Jones and Jerry. Like I said, the
Speaker 1: front office just making this decision to bring in a
Speaker 1: guy that if all else fails, we know that, Look,
Speaker 1: we have a guy at the backup quarterback position. I
Speaker 1: can win us one game. If you go back to
Speaker 1: Philadelphia last season, I believe that if we had Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton healthy in a situation where you know, Dak Prescott's
Speaker 1: shoulder is supplicated for the win to go to the playoffs,
Speaker 1: I think we all trust Andy Dalton couldn't win us
Speaker 1: a game. But because we had no faith in our backup,
Speaker 1: we sent Dak out there and he struggled. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how much the shoulder limited
Speaker 1: him in that game. I mean, I'm sure it did
Speaker 1: a little bit, but I but I do think what
Speaker 1: it did was the lack of practice time seemed to
Speaker 1: throw off his timing. So either way, you know, I
Speaker 1: think the injury affected him in the biggest game of
Speaker 1: the season, trying to make the playoffs. And and to
Speaker 1: you guys point, I was trying to go back and
Speaker 1: think the last time the Cowboys had a backup quarterback
Speaker 1: that they brought in, not Tony Romo who wound up
Speaker 1: being won by by injury, but a guy they brought
Speaker 1: in that was this accomplished and technically in his prime,
Speaker 1: I mean at thirty five years old. But well, you know,
Speaker 1: they say Bernie Colsar maybe well, I woun't you thinking
Speaker 1: about him maybe if you go that far back, because
Speaker 1: but no, no, I mean Brad Brad Johnson in two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight won a Super Bowl, but he was
Speaker 1: thirty nine years old and when he played, he didn't
Speaker 1: play well. And Rynald Cunningham in two thousand was thirty seven.
Speaker 1: So although Dalton had a bad year last year, and
Speaker 1: really Cincinnati overall had a bad year, it was a
Speaker 1: tough year for the whole team. I still think he's
Speaker 1: got a lot of years left. Into Isaiah's point, I
Speaker 1: think he's a guy that can that can still play
Speaker 1: and has an opportunity, we'll have an opportunity to play
Speaker 1: somewhere else next year as a starter. I think, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: I mean to your point, Robert, you're you're touching on
Speaker 1: it on the fact that you know, last year's last year,
Speaker 1: so un heck, both touched on the point that last year, right,
Speaker 1: what an opportunity to go to the playoffs that was
Speaker 1: forced to play, he had to play. Right now, your guys,
Speaker 1: now you're putting yourself in a situation as an organization
Speaker 1: where you can till you're your starter, right, your franchise
Speaker 1: QB A chillout right, chillout, get healthy. He has it,
Speaker 1: We have it covered. Right. He could win this. He
Speaker 1: can win this this game. He can win us the
Speaker 1: next game if we need to. We have a starter
Speaker 1: at backup, a proven starter. Dot's not before just because
Speaker 1: any Dolphins being a backup this year, he is a starter, right, Yeah, boys,
Speaker 1: a baller. He's played with some subpard teams and taking
Speaker 1: them to the playoffs on a continuous basis. Right, He's
Speaker 1: had one premiere talent at receiver, right, and he went
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. Now you're gonna come and bring him
Speaker 1: to a team that's and completely loaded. Right, So if
Speaker 1: something was to happen to Dad, you can allow for
Speaker 1: him to get healthy, tell him to relax, chill out,
Speaker 1: don't rush back. Let's get you right, because we need
Speaker 1: you for the long haul. Long haul not only does season,
Speaker 1: but we need you for the long haul for the
Speaker 1: rest of your career to be here and be our
Speaker 1: quarterback at Dallas Cowboys. Meanwhile, you're also doing in the
Speaker 1: affair because you can say, hey, get in the game,
Speaker 1: ball out, a show everybody that you can still play
Speaker 1: win us these games that we need, right and for
Speaker 1: this buffer time for Dad to get back if it
Speaker 1: should that be the case, and then you go out
Speaker 1: there and get the big bank next year. So it's
Speaker 1: a perfect situa wishing for everybody. Yeah, Isaiah, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's wonderful, And I believe that man, your spot on
Speaker 1: and everything that you're saying. And Rob, I wanted to
Speaker 1: to to allude to the Bernie Clozar comparison. You know,
Speaker 1: in ninety three when we won the Super Bowl, we
Speaker 1: signed Cols oar Mids. You know, I think after gossh
Speaker 1: I believe it was he was released by the Cleveland
Speaker 1: Browns mid season and he comes in and he wins
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. He takes one snap and that was
Speaker 1: the final snap of the of the Super Bowl to
Speaker 1: you know, eliminate the play clock. So hey, if Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton is coming on to do that, then let's do it,
Speaker 1: all right, Let's let's have this. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I think another part of the Andy Dalton signing is
Speaker 1: the fact that we're playing a lot of AFC teams
Speaker 1: this year too. I think he's gonna be a guy
Speaker 1: that's gonna help Dak Prescott and the fact that we're
Speaker 1: playing some teams that we like. The Pittsburgh Steellers. We
Speaker 1: hadn't played them and what four or five years even
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens a lot of the other AFC competition that
Speaker 1: will be facing. So I think he's gonna be and
Speaker 1: visor as well and just eyes and ears for Dak
Speaker 1: on the field off the field, and so I look
Speaker 1: for this to be a great relationship in the quarterback
Speaker 1: room from a proven veteran. DA can obviously help improve
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's game. That's the only thing I see here.
Speaker 1: I don't see this as a slight of Dak Prescott. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the contract numbers are, none of that,
Speaker 1: and there's been so much speculation about what it is.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think that Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: man the red rifle. I'm excited to see him here,
Speaker 1: Katie texas his own man. This is good. This is
Speaker 1: good time to be a Cowboy fan. I tell him, well,
Speaker 1: And Andy Dalton's contract is such a low rest, high
Speaker 1: reward type of thing. Three million dollars and then the
Speaker 1: rest of the contract could get up to seven. But
Speaker 1: that's basically if he ends up going in and playing
Speaker 1: a ton of the regular season games. If he is
Speaker 1: just a backup. Over the course of the sixteen games
Speaker 1: this year, he's gonna make three million dollars, which is
Speaker 1: just a fraction more than what Cooper Rush was going
Speaker 1: to make going into this season as well. But I know,
Speaker 1: all of the things that we're saying are great, and
Speaker 1: we're saying, hey, this is a backup that can come
Speaker 1: in and win football games. This is a backup that's
Speaker 1: going to teach everybody. I want to play Devil's advocate
Speaker 1: here a little bit. Why isn't Andy Dalton a starter
Speaker 1: right now? Why was he so bad in twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: that Cincinnati as a team decided to move on. I
Speaker 1: know they ended up getting a pretty solid little first
Speaker 1: first overall draft pick by the name of Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: I'm certain of that. But at the same time, what
Speaker 1: is wrong with Andy Dalton to the fact that he
Speaker 1: isn't even in the conversation of being a starter in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Well, I don't. I don't know that he wasn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, he talked about on Schefter's podcast that he
Speaker 1: had multiple options, and I mean you can just go
Speaker 1: around in the league and make it guesses. The Patriots
Speaker 1: need a quarterback, you know, Jacksonville needs a quarterback, or
Speaker 1: at least they could bring in a guy that could
Speaker 1: compete for the job. There's some teams out there that
Speaker 1: I think they would they would like to have Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton on their team. Isaiah spoke to it. You know,
Speaker 1: they haven't always had a ton of talent in Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: and look like you said, Kyle, they got the number
Speaker 1: one pick. Joe Burrow is a fantastic talent. They have
Speaker 1: not won a playoff game since nineteen ninety, so they
Speaker 1: decided it was time to go in a different direction.
Speaker 1: But you know, Dalton did take them to the playoffs,
Speaker 1: I believe his first five seasons, and in Cincinnati, that's
Speaker 1: a franchise that hasn't won a lot of football and
Speaker 1: in their history, So you know, I think he probably
Speaker 1: had some options beyond beyond going to a place where
Speaker 1: he's the clear backup. I bet he could. He could
Speaker 1: have wound up somewhere to at least compete. Even that
Speaker 1: it's even though the fact that it's already made. We
Speaker 1: haven't got any reports, but I guarantee you that there
Speaker 1: is at least five teams that that Andy Dalton could
Speaker 1: have walked straight into the room. He just became the
Speaker 1: starter immediately. Let's not forget this d was a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl quarterback. And I'm not talking about no second or third.
Speaker 1: You know, I just got in because somebody chose not
Speaker 1: to go to the Pro Bowl type guy. This dude
Speaker 1: was a legitimate Pro Bowl quarterback. He's a beast now,
Speaker 1: so understand that in this league, for everybody's out there listening,
Speaker 1: there's this thing called stress, right, and stress will wear
Speaker 1: you down, right, whether it's in your in your regular,
Speaker 1: regular jobs, or whether it's the premiere QB for entire
Speaker 1: NFL organization. He has been bearing the stress of that
Speaker 1: organization for nine was a nine years? Nine years? Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, he has been bearing that weight. Right. They
Speaker 1: haven't been good, they haven't surrounded him with talent. He's
Speaker 1: always had to find a way to make things happen.
Speaker 1: They've had He's had to deal with his number one,
Speaker 1: his number one resource, right AJ being injured a lot
Speaker 1: of times, right, him having to try to figure out
Speaker 1: a way to still win games. He has been in
Speaker 1: a very stressful situation. I'm pretty sure that he has
Speaker 1: gotten to the point where the game just wasn't that
Speaker 1: fun for him anymore. Right, and once you start getting
Speaker 1: to that point, it starts affecting every aspect of your life.
Speaker 1: It affects your rework ethic, it affects your drive, it
Speaker 1: affects your personality, affects your moves, it affects your family. Right. So,
Speaker 1: if all that stuff is being of, all those things
Speaker 1: are in the arms length of becoming just just crumbling
Speaker 1: on you, then guess what. I need a refresher. I
Speaker 1: need to step and I need to just reload and
Speaker 1: get the love back for this game again. Right, So
Speaker 1: let guess what. Let me go home right where it's home, Dallas.
Speaker 1: Let me go home. Let me get my family situated.
Speaker 1: Let me make sure that they're stable, make sure that
Speaker 1: they're happy, because guess what, happy wife, happy life, Right,
Speaker 1: take the stress off of myself in terms of being
Speaker 1: the man and having to always have to put out
Speaker 1: and have to figure out a way, and all the
Speaker 1: media is always gonna be on me. Now I get
Speaker 1: to sit back being a great organization to established organization.
Speaker 1: I get to be on the high life. And in
Speaker 1: terms of you know, once I leave here, I get
Speaker 1: to walk into another situation because this is the media capital,
Speaker 1: right in terms of football, and guess what I could
Speaker 1: just chill, right, and then next year I can go
Speaker 1: out and I'm a new guy again, under a new contract,
Speaker 1: a new situation, and I could just reload and I
Speaker 1: can refresh. So I think that's what this is for him.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely need to trust me. I have been I
Speaker 1: was there in my career. I actually walked away from
Speaker 1: the NFL because I had gotten to that point. It's
Speaker 1: just it wasn't worth it anymore, right, And I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure he's right on that edge, and he's like, man,
Speaker 1: this is a perfect situation where I could just go
Speaker 1: and I could chill for a year and then come
Speaker 1: back ready to go. Man, read rifle under stress. I
Speaker 1: don't know about that, Isaiah. I mean, look, man, you
Speaker 1: know there's no better place to be and then a
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL, And I mean, look, I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm joking with that. Man. I just don't think that.
Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, maybe it
Speaker 1: had something to do with happy wife, happy life. I
Speaker 1: think it has more to do with the fact that, look, man,
Speaker 1: I'm coming to a point in my career where I'm
Speaker 1: having to reassess and look at things differently. In Dallas,
Speaker 1: is the place to be. It's a perfect opportunity for him.
Speaker 1: And you're right. I mean, once the story is told
Speaker 1: that he could have gone to New New England, maybe Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: some other places to be a backup quarterback. You know,
Speaker 1: this is the This is the perfect scenario for a
Speaker 1: guy like him. And look, man, if you just calmed
Speaker 1: the league and look at guys that have have been
Speaker 1: started quarterbacks that then went to be you know, career backups.
Speaker 1: You know, there are a ton of guys that have
Speaker 1: been backups that one that went on to be head coaches.
Speaker 1: Maybe those are his aspirations and this is the perfect
Speaker 1: incubator for that kind of desire. Look, I just look
Speaker 1: at it like this. Andy Dalton is a guy that
Speaker 1: has the capacity to win games still and he chose
Speaker 1: to come to a team where he knows that, look,
Speaker 1: they already have their lead dog. I can help this situation.
Speaker 1: I see that being the move. And if that had
Speaker 1: anything to do with the work stress that he was
Speaker 1: under in Cincinnati, then so bid. I mean, but I
Speaker 1: look at the first five years of his career, the kid,
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy that it was a winner, you know,
Speaker 1: going to the playoffs, he and aj Green and the
Speaker 1: host of other guys with them as well. But over
Speaker 1: the last four years, I mean, that team has been
Speaker 1: decimated by injuries and just the front office problems in coaching.
Speaker 1: You know, it has been a problem in Cincinnati, and
Speaker 1: so yeah, man, maybe that's the thing that at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, he was like, look, I'm sick
Speaker 1: of all of this. The new coaching situation, us being
Speaker 1: in the lottery getting the first pick in the draft
Speaker 1: had a lot to do with him on his watch
Speaker 1: as well, Kyle, I appreciate you playing devil's advocate in
Speaker 1: this situation, but look, man, all things being equal, we
Speaker 1: got a pretty good guy, a pretty good backup for
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. He did. And the thing is is he
Speaker 1: had opportunities early in his career to win football games.
Speaker 1: He's been in the Cincinnati organization for nine seasons. He
Speaker 1: made five playoffs, and toward the end things kind of
Speaker 1: trickled away in that Pitter pattered down the stretch. But
Speaker 1: don't get us wrong, or don't get me wrong in
Speaker 1: playing devil's advocate, this is a good quarterback. This is
Speaker 1: a guy who's going to be a starter at some point.
Speaker 1: And the fact that the Cowboys got him on a
Speaker 1: relatively low money deal and the fact that it's a
Speaker 1: low risk, higher reward situation and you can add to
Speaker 1: a twenty six year old quarterback. I think it's a
Speaker 1: fantastic signing. Whether or not it's Andy Dalton or Cam
Speaker 1: Newton or anybody else like that, I don't. I think
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton's a better quarterback than Cam Newton. But that's
Speaker 1: a separate situation altogether. But I will say going forward,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the fact that there's a
Speaker 1: new member of the eighty eight club and there's an
Speaker 1: expectation around Cede Lamb. Is it too high going into
Speaker 1: his rookie season. We'll talk about that coming up next year.
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Speaker 1: of Talking Cowboys here on a beautiful Tuesday morning. Glad
Speaker 1: you're with us, Hope you're staying safe out there and
Speaker 1: staying socially distant. Kyle Yeoman's hack, Ma Harrison, Rob Phillips
Speaker 1: and our Super Bowl champion Isaiah stand back and guys,
Speaker 1: I have to apologize and I need to turn things
Speaker 1: around really quickly and throw the brakes on something I
Speaker 1: said before I went into my teas. I was trying
Speaker 1: to go into my teas, but I left out a
Speaker 1: couple of very crucial words. I said, Andy Dalton's a
Speaker 1: better quarterback than Cam Newton. I meant to say better
Speaker 1: quarterback for this situation than Cam Newton, because I think
Speaker 1: with Cam Newton's on the field and he's healthy, I
Speaker 1: think he's a better quarterback. Andy Dalton's healthy more, but
Speaker 1: I still think Cam's better. But I just wanted to
Speaker 1: clear that up. I know Hecke was about to just
Speaker 1: lose his mind going into that last segment because of
Speaker 1: what I had said, and I did say the wrong thing,
Speaker 1: but I meant to say, better quarterback for this situation
Speaker 1: is that better? Heck? Look, I was gonna let you
Speaker 1: make it with a Kyle. I really was, man, I
Speaker 1: was gonna let it go. Well, I appreciate you correcting it. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that. I'm glad that I was able to
Speaker 1: clear that up at least coming out of this next segment. Now,
Speaker 1: I did want to kind of go into this conversation
Speaker 1: of a new eighty eight in town. Cedee Lamb of
Speaker 1: course selected seventeenth overall buy the Cowboys a couple weeks
Speaker 1: ago during the twenty twenty NFL Draft, and the expectations
Speaker 1: are there, guys, the fact that he's the best receiver
Speaker 1: potentially in the twenty twenty draft. But I kind of
Speaker 1: wanted to add maybe a question mark here. You're adding
Speaker 1: the number eighty eight, and I know it's just a
Speaker 1: jersey number. I know it's a whole big lore. It's
Speaker 1: gonna sell some extra jerseys. But the fact that you're
Speaker 1: putting that number on a rookie I just kind of
Speaker 1: want to get your conversation piece here in ISA. You're
Speaker 1: the only one that's had a number in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Is there anything to it? The fact that there's an
Speaker 1: eighty eight lure of guys like Dash, Brian Drew, Pearson,
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin that have worn that jersey before you and
Speaker 1: carried on a legacy. Chrismut Mike, I'm probably the wrong
Speaker 1: person to ask this question too, because I have never
Speaker 1: been attached to numbers, right, I've always been the guy
Speaker 1: who like, never number. You know, I will make my
Speaker 1: you know, make of it whatever I can based upon
Speaker 1: my performance. Right. So the fact that the that the
Speaker 1: owner of the organization that you just got drafted to
Speaker 1: is saying, hey, you're wearing this jersey, right, I know
Speaker 1: you want, but you're wearing Uncle Drew's number, You're wearing
Speaker 1: Michael Irman's number, You're wearing Desert's number. This is what
Speaker 1: you're doing. Um, I think that there is some pressure
Speaker 1: that that's applied to that, right, and there's pressure that
Speaker 1: he's not applying to himself as pressure that literally that
Speaker 1: Jerry is throwing on his shoulders before he can even
Speaker 1: show up in town. So he is going to have
Speaker 1: to perform based upon Jerry's expectations, right, not only his
Speaker 1: expectations as a first round pick, but his expectations of
Speaker 1: what that number symbolizes for this organization. So there is wait,
Speaker 1: let's not, let's let's not you know, a kid ourselves.
Speaker 1: There's this weight that comes with that. But I don't
Speaker 1: want him to apply that that pressure to himself. I
Speaker 1: hope that he can just come out here, ball out
Speaker 1: like he like he knows how to do, play free.
Speaker 1: But there's going to be that population, including the person
Speaker 1: who writes his checks, that are expecting that that type
Speaker 1: of performance that comes with that number. And Isaiah real
Speaker 1: quickly kind of based off of what you were saying,
Speaker 1: you're talking about the owner's expectations, and you're talking about
Speaker 1: the expectation of wearing eighty eight. What are those expectations?
Speaker 1: And that's kind of where I'm leaving this question because
Speaker 1: eighty eight. I mean I mentioned the three names already.
Speaker 1: It's it's either Hall of Fame or Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: caliber for a good amount of time type of production here.
Speaker 1: Is that The expectation that's put on him from Jerry Jones? Absolutely? Wow? Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean it sucks for him, right, it sucks for him.
Speaker 1: But you know, like I said, hopefully he's just come
Speaker 1: in and just not even think about it. He's gonna
Speaker 1: continually get reminded about it. But he really needs to
Speaker 1: just come in and play free. That is expectations. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's not kid ourselves in an eighty eight Bears way.
Speaker 1: You know, Uncle Drew was a beast. You know, Mike
Speaker 1: was a beast. Dez was a beast. Unfortunately, you know,
Speaker 1: his career kind of got cut short, but you know
Speaker 1: he was on that on that path as well. And
Speaker 1: you know, I think that CD will come in and
Speaker 1: take care of business. It's not fair to put that
Speaker 1: kind of pressure on somebody. I think that probably Dallas
Speaker 1: is probably one of the few spots in the entire
Speaker 1: league where there are a number has that much significance
Speaker 1: at a particular position. So you know, he's got to
Speaker 1: deal with it. But he'll be all right. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: some numbers in this franchise that just don't get reused.
Speaker 1: I mean, eighty eight's not one of them. Eight seems
Speaker 1: to be one of them. Twenty two seems to be
Speaker 1: one of them. I'm with Isaiah. I mean, when you
Speaker 1: get eighty eight here though, it's my Michael Irvin, because
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin's is talking about it in the media now
Speaker 1: this week talking about what it means. So immediately there's
Speaker 1: it restores the tradition and the memories and what that
Speaker 1: number has been associated with. Drew Pearson as well does Bryant.
Speaker 1: I will say that coming into this situation, he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be the savior of this offense. He doesn't
Speaker 1: even have to be the top two wide receivers, you know,
Speaker 1: the top the top guy is making twenty million bucks
Speaker 1: a year. He just needs to come in and that's
Speaker 1: a MARII Cooper CD just needs to come in and
Speaker 1: fill his role. And I think based on the talent
Speaker 1: of this offense, I think that eases some of the pressure.
Speaker 1: Even though clearly eighty eight it's always linked to greatness. Basically, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I mean for me and my generation, man, eighty eight
Speaker 1: is is all Michael Irvin. You know, everybody knows Drew
Speaker 1: Pearson before Mike has set the standard for eighty eight.
Speaker 1: But man, you know it's you talk about the pressure, right,
Speaker 1: You talk about the pressure and the number, and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have had those numbers that no one will wear.
Speaker 1: Twelve twenty two other numbers that we know are legendary numbers.
Speaker 1: But eighty eight is synonymous with greatness at the wide
Speaker 1: receiver position, just like fifty four. I mean, that's right.
Speaker 1: I mean all of these numbers are reminiscent. And if
Speaker 1: you look through the halls of the Dallas Cowboys, these
Speaker 1: numbers mean something if you look at other teams. Seventy
Speaker 1: five means something in Pittsburgh, right, And so we talk
Speaker 1: about the pressure that Cede Lamb may be under, but
Speaker 1: the truth of the matter is, you know, look, he
Speaker 1: was gonna be under pressure whether he wore ten or
Speaker 1: whatever number he will wore. And so, well, like the
Speaker 1: saying goes pressure bus pipes or makes diamonds guys, exhibit eight,
Speaker 1: we got a diamond right here, and so this should
Speaker 1: be nothing for CD Lamb. He walks into a situation
Speaker 1: Taylor made for a young guy where there's already dogs
Speaker 1: there to help him and groom that talent. All he
Speaker 1: has to come in and do is playball, and I
Speaker 1: mean he's gonna look beautiful in those two eights on
Speaker 1: his back. You know what I didn't realize, Heck, was
Speaker 1: that I think twelve guys have worn the number, like
Speaker 1: Jackie Harris wore the number in two thousand or eighty eight,
Speaker 1: Antonio Bryant when he got drafted, and I think two
Speaker 1: thousand two, yeah, Antonio Bryant. Yeah, but yeah, there's only
Speaker 1: three guys you ever associated with, and for good reason.
Speaker 1: Right of course, Now it does kind of help. And
Speaker 1: you mentioned this a little bit earlier. I think both
Speaker 1: Isaiah and Heck touched on the oh and well where
Speaker 1: I touched on it too, So all three of you.
Speaker 1: But the fact that you don't have to come in
Speaker 1: and be the star, even though that number is associated
Speaker 1: with being a star, that's not the expectation year one.
Speaker 1: It might be year three, four five, potentially, but year one,
Speaker 1: you're coming into an offense that has Michael Gallup Anamari
Speaker 1: Cooper and you're able to open things up. How we
Speaker 1: haven't seen an NFL season that has had an individual
Speaker 1: team that's had three separate one thousand yard receivers since
Speaker 1: I believe two thousand and eight when the Cardinals did it.
Speaker 1: Is there an opportunity the Cowboys even have a chance
Speaker 1: to reach that kind of mark where we have three
Speaker 1: separate thousand yard receivers and then also have touches for
Speaker 1: your running back and Ezekiel Elliott and also maybe even
Speaker 1: some receptions for Blake Jarwin. Absolutely, I mean the NFL
Speaker 1: is wide open now. This is a passing league, and
Speaker 1: so it's about time that we see that three thousand
Speaker 1: yard receivers on the same same team and also a
Speaker 1: potential Hall of Fame running back. I'm putting that pressure
Speaker 1: on Ezekiel Elliott, but guys, that's the kind of team
Speaker 1: that we have, and that's how fast we're gonna play.
Speaker 1: If you look at Mike McCarthy and what he did
Speaker 1: in his tenure at Green Bay, he liked to pay,
Speaker 1: he liked to play up tempo pace and passing the
Speaker 1: ball around. So I see the same thing being added
Speaker 1: here at the Dallas Cowboys with how we're going to
Speaker 1: play timing pace in the passing game. So that's foreseeable
Speaker 1: for three receivers to have a thousand yards. I don't know. Heck,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know, I know, I know you've
Speaker 1: been over there playing Madden. You know what I'm saying. Yes,
Speaker 1: normally ride with you, but I can't ride with you
Speaker 1: on this one. Man. At three thousand yards receivers is crazy. Right,
Speaker 1: It's a lot. It is a lot in Isaiah, let
Speaker 1: me Isaiah, let me ask you this. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, Isaiah. Last year, how many yards did Cobb have?
Speaker 1: I think cob finished with eight hundred yards eight hundred,
Speaker 1: uh combined for this for the season. I mean that's
Speaker 1: I mean he was one hundred and sixty away from
Speaker 1: being a thousand yard receivers. So look that's the same.
Speaker 1: I mean, you take out some of those drops, he's there. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so we might have had that last year if
Speaker 1: you just look at the numbers from galloping Cooper. So
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, it's not like I'm far man,
Speaker 1: I feel you. However, there's there's more weapons this year
Speaker 1: significantly when there was last year. Just just straight up
Speaker 1: off off the draft alone, right, you have absolutely just
Speaker 1: you have two. You gotta you got a dog at
Speaker 1: running back, right, you have a tight end that you
Speaker 1: think has some gold juice. Right, you got Coop who
Speaker 1: you paying him? You're paying him over a million dollars
Speaker 1: a game. He gonna get the rock every game. Right,
Speaker 1: you're gonna force him the ball. He's getting force fed.
Speaker 1: He can be as quiet as he wants to. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get the ball at least ten seven to ten
Speaker 1: attempts a game. Right, and then you got CD that's
Speaker 1: gonna be on the inside. You gotta gallop. On the
Speaker 1: other side, you have five guys that you have to
Speaker 1: spread the ball out to. Right, if you really want
Speaker 1: to say, you could take away You're tight end and
Speaker 1: you could take away Gallop. Right, there's still three guys
Speaker 1: that you're going to be forced feeding the ball to.
Speaker 1: It is gonna be hard for those guys all to
Speaker 1: get get up the proper amount of touches while still
Speaker 1: maintain the main goal, which is what move the ball.
Speaker 1: Modistick get touched in. Yes, right, it's not going to
Speaker 1: be focused on one guy getting the ball. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be spread out. Whoever's open gets to rock. Hopefully that's
Speaker 1: the way it is. And I just it's gonna be
Speaker 1: hard to for guys to eat like that. So what
Speaker 1: you're what you're piping for and is that everybody can
Speaker 1: perform well. You don't need anybody to perform great. You
Speaker 1: don't need it, right, You just need everybody to perform well.
Speaker 1: And that's the that's the positive side about taking having
Speaker 1: all his talent on one team and being able to
Speaker 1: take down that pressure by position. He also head got well,
Speaker 1: heck just got me rethinking that that hypothetical right there
Speaker 1: when I looked it up. Randald cop did have eight
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty eight yards last year. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: that's that was approaching a thousand. But but I'm with
Speaker 1: Isaiah that that seems that seems tough to accomplish, especially
Speaker 1: if Zeke is going to be heavily involved, like Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy says he still will be. And and remember, you know,
Speaker 1: this defense has made some some good additions and they're
Speaker 1: they're trying to revamp things. But you may want to
Speaker 1: lean on your running game to try to protach the
Speaker 1: defense in some games this year. So the more you
Speaker 1: do that, the less opportunities you've got to really spread
Speaker 1: it around. Even though there's no question they've got the
Speaker 1: potential to be a wide open passing offense, and while
Speaker 1: we're throwing in last season as the comparative season of
Speaker 1: trying to get three thousand yard receivers, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you want that to be fair. And kind of
Speaker 1: going back to Rob's point, you want your running back
Speaker 1: to have touches. You don't want to be eight and
Speaker 1: eight and behind in games to the fact that you're
Speaker 1: trying to throw the football late and get these guys open. Sure,
Speaker 1: they're going to be open because they're three stud wide
Speaker 1: receivers and they're going to find their way open. They're
Speaker 1: going to have their fair share of production, but you
Speaker 1: don't necessarily want all three of those guys just getting
Speaker 1: the ball thrown to them as much as they had.
Speaker 1: Dak had a forty nine hundred yard passing Yeah, forty
Speaker 1: nine hundred yard passing season last year. The fact that
Speaker 1: you even had that was because you were behind Layton games.
Speaker 1: You were throwing the ball when you didn't really want to.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that the running game is the prime
Speaker 1: or focus here, but it's a focus that's gonna help
Speaker 1: you win football games and help you close out games
Speaker 1: late instead of throwing the football, and it's gonna help
Speaker 1: you move the sticks and like Rob said, help your
Speaker 1: defense at the same time, and it's still a defense
Speaker 1: that has some holes. It does sound wow. Now I
Speaker 1: thought you were the vice president of Team forty Burger.
Speaker 1: What happened to you? Bro? I was I wasn't necessarily
Speaker 1: on Team forty get Burger unless Cede Lamb was involved.
Speaker 1: That was the thing is, I just didn't believe Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb was going to fall to seventeen. So I took
Speaker 1: myself out of Team forty Burger. I'm running a half
Speaker 1: marathon because of it. In a couple so, the fact
Speaker 1: that I was even a part of Team forty Burger
Speaker 1: was solely based on the falling of Cede Lamb to seventeen.
Speaker 1: So even with that being said, you gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: have the balance between the two. You have a ninety
Speaker 1: million dollar running back in the backfield and Tony Pollard,
Speaker 1: who I think is an underdog in this statement as well.
Speaker 1: I think Tony Pollard's gonna have a great year in
Speaker 1: terms of coming out of the backfield, opening things up
Speaker 1: for an offense that's gonna see more of a modern look.
Speaker 1: So I think with the combination of Zeke and Pollard
Speaker 1: in the backfield along with these wide receivers is more
Speaker 1: exciting than let's just throw the ball everywhere. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: I'll just say you're absolutely right. I mean, but I
Speaker 1: want everybody to remember that the whole intention of the
Speaker 1: offense is to move the sticks right consumer time, move
Speaker 1: the sticks right. And that's the premise, right, It's not
Speaker 1: about having these receivers that go off and have you know,
Speaker 1: these two yard twohundred yard games. You don't need it, right,
Speaker 1: Is it nice to talk about? Yeah, it gives us
Speaker 1: a lot of material to come out here to talk about,
Speaker 1: but you don't need it if you have guys and
Speaker 1: where you're where you got three receivers that all had
Speaker 1: you know, five six catches, you know, seventy five yards,
Speaker 1: eighty yards. You know, that's that's awesome because that means
Speaker 1: that Zeke has about two touchdowns. Tell, you know, telling
Speaker 1: the thing back there, Dak might have it. So it's
Speaker 1: so you want to well balanced offense, and you want
Speaker 1: an offense that has threats at every position that you
Speaker 1: can't key in on guys, you can't double team guys.
Speaker 1: You want it to that defenses can't win. And that's
Speaker 1: really what you're aiming for and I think that's when
Speaker 1: McCarthy has done, along with Will and arrest of the squad.
Speaker 1: So hats off to them. I don't think we need
Speaker 1: one thousand yard receiver. Can we get it? Heck, yes
Speaker 1: we could. If we really want to have a thousand
Speaker 1: yard receiver, we can have one. Um you know, if
Speaker 1: we should have one with somebody getting paid over million
Speaker 1: dollars a game. So yeah, we could have it. But
Speaker 1: but it's not necessary with this particular offense. Isaiah, Isaiah, you,
Speaker 1: like I said, Man, if you look around at the
Speaker 1: NFL right now and you look at the way these
Speaker 1: defensive schemes are. Our dbs are playing off of receivers. Man,
Speaker 1: when you were here the Cowboys, that guys were playing
Speaker 1: you that far off the ball, Man, you still be playing, Isaiah.
Speaker 1: So I mean, you look, that's just that's the way
Speaker 1: the NFL is going these days. And so I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's fast. It's a fast place in Yes, Kyle,
Speaker 1: you make a great point. Dak Prescott forty nine hundred yards,
Speaker 1: you know, throwing on the year, you don't want that.
Speaker 1: If you look at those numbers universally all over the league,
Speaker 1: that typically is in an indicator that you had a
Speaker 1: bad season, you were playing from behind. But that may
Speaker 1: not be the case anymore in this new NFL. We
Speaker 1: win one game, and I know if if we win
Speaker 1: the game in Philly, that same offense goes into the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and then what are we saying is that the new
Speaker 1: model for success in the NFL. I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: just hard to throw that away, especially as quick as
Speaker 1: we're gonna be able to strike at all three wide
Speaker 1: receiver positions and also with our running back man. Look,
Speaker 1: I'm the person I love the three yards in a
Speaker 1: cloud of dust philosophy, but I do understand things have
Speaker 1: changed and offenses are wide open now to get the
Speaker 1: ball out of your hand, get the ball at the
Speaker 1: quarterback's hands early, and they are striking. I mean, you
Speaker 1: look at Kansas City's offense. They are seventy There are
Speaker 1: seventy five yard play waiting to happen. Everybody is emulating that.
Speaker 1: And so look, that's what get the people in the season,
Speaker 1: that's what the fans are clamoring for, and that's what
Speaker 1: we're gonna give them. That's fair. But you know what
Speaker 1: we talked about on past shows is with the weapons
Speaker 1: they have in the passing game and the ability to
Speaker 1: spread them out. That should help Zeke. That should create
Speaker 1: running lanes for him and allow him to basically create
Speaker 1: that pick your poison offense, like I think based on
Speaker 1: having those guys on the outside in the slot, you
Speaker 1: can be more balanced instead of instead of being just
Speaker 1: one particular way. I think. I think it actually helps
Speaker 1: the overall offense. But it is fun to think about.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that O eight was the last time
Speaker 1: where the Cardinals were last team to do it. That's cool,
Speaker 1: that's cool. That is Madden numbers right there. There's no
Speaker 1: doubt about it. It's bad numbers. And you gotta have
Speaker 1: the combination. You gotta have the balance between the three
Speaker 1: yards in a cloud of dust like just said, and
Speaker 1: the lightning in a bottle, the quick strik ability, and
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys have the opportunity to do both.
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna have a good offense, you need
Speaker 1: a good defense as well. The Cowboys have continued to
Speaker 1: add some of that defensive talent over the course of
Speaker 1: the offseason. But are they done yet. I don't think
Speaker 1: they're done yet. We're going to talk about that when
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Speaker 1: if talking Cowboys, heck Ma Harrison, Isaiah standback, Rob Phillips.
Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeoman's and I mentioned this going into the
Speaker 1: last break, guys, but the Cowboys continuing to add talent
Speaker 1: on defense, and before we get into the fact that
Speaker 1: I don't think they're done adding talent just yet, I
Speaker 1: want to talk about Darryl Worley, Corner third round pick
Speaker 1: back in twenty sixteen, A relatively young corner but with
Speaker 1: starting experience. Forty nine of his fifty six games played
Speaker 1: have been starts five interceptions over four seasons in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He has been added to this defense and rob it
Speaker 1: kind of adds to the shift that we're starting to
Speaker 1: see in this secondary for the Cowboys and Mike Nolan
Speaker 1: just wanting these longer athletic corners to go along with
Speaker 1: guys like Trey von Day as well. First off, a
Speaker 1: happy early birthday to you based on your early live
Speaker 1: read that you just said. Yes, Kyle Geoman's appreciated tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Um uh to your point talking about DBS. We got
Speaker 1: off the show last Tuesday and Will McClay, VP of
Speaker 1: Player Personnel, did a call with the media and talked
Speaker 1: about that very point. And this is kind of the
Speaker 1: Heckman's point last segment, with the way offenses are now
Speaker 1: spreading out, getting bigger, faster receivers. Um, they want guys
Speaker 1: that can play press coverage, especially with what they want
Speaker 1: to try to do defensively, guys that can disrupt receivers
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. They felt like the runs
Speaker 1: on corners kind of went a little differently than normal,
Speaker 1: uh in this in this particular draft, and they were
Speaker 1: able to get Digs and Robinson maybe later than than
Speaker 1: they should have gone. And and so then you add Worley,
Speaker 1: a guy that's six one, two fifteen. He just continues
Speaker 1: that philosophy. He's he's a press guy. He can he's
Speaker 1: a physical corner. And I thought it was interesting that
Speaker 1: he played safety for the Raiders for a couple a
Speaker 1: couple of games at the end of the last season,
Speaker 1: just because they needed they I think they cut d J.
Speaker 1: Sweringer and they needed a guy to step in there.
Speaker 1: So once again it's another guy they can come in
Speaker 1: and play multiple spots for you on defense. You know what, boy,
Speaker 1: rob I just want to choke you sometime when you
Speaker 1: take my points like that man so effortlessly. But that's
Speaker 1: what I think. The same about Worally and his ability.
Speaker 1: And you talked about the presser for Will McClay, and
Speaker 1: also before I believe Mike McCarthy was talking about some
Speaker 1: of these guys, that's some of the picks and some
Speaker 1: of the guys that we have in the dB room
Speaker 1: being able to convert to safety. And Worally is that
Speaker 1: that guy that we got that can be a tweeter
Speaker 1: or a hybrid corner safety as well, and so I
Speaker 1: looked for him because of his experience to be added
Speaker 1: to that already a lot of depth in that DV room.
Speaker 1: But he's a guy that is going to be able
Speaker 1: to benefit these younger guys, be a benefit to these
Speaker 1: younger guys, but also make a contribution no matter where
Speaker 1: you put him. And again for us and what I've been,
Speaker 1: you know, just clamoring over is the fact that we
Speaker 1: need a special team's dog. We need more guys that
Speaker 1: can come in and contribute because that's where we suffered.
Speaker 1: I see Worldly as being a guy that can contribute
Speaker 1: there as well. But no matter what, you know, he's
Speaker 1: that hybrid guy that can play safety and in corner. Heck,
Speaker 1: when this is all over, man, I can't wait to
Speaker 1: get back in studio. You can get your hands on me.
Speaker 1: I care, man, It's all good, man. I can say
Speaker 1: right now, I'm gonna keep saying it. I'm gonna keep
Speaker 1: saying I keep saying it. Our Harris, Harris. This dude
Speaker 1: is over there river dancing right now. Would you care
Speaker 1: to would you care to give us an exhibition? Isaiah riverdancing?
Speaker 1: You believe risk give it to you. But these guys.
Speaker 1: They just keep adding the perfect, the perfect, you know,
Speaker 1: size corners. These guys are. You know, we talked about
Speaker 1: last week, you know, we talked about guys that our attitude.
Speaker 1: We talked about guys that had little nanciness to him.
Speaker 1: This dude is a pest, right, he's six one, two fifteen.
Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all know this out there. That
Speaker 1: is a sizeable corner. That's that's not just a tall,
Speaker 1: skinny corner. That's a corner that has some weight to him.
Speaker 1: He's not moving right. And we keep talking about that
Speaker 1: front seven and how and how solid of a front
Speaker 1: seven we've been able to put together. If those guys
Speaker 1: are adding pressure, they're pushing the pocket and you're able
Speaker 1: to disrupt the receiver at the line of scrimmage, it
Speaker 1: is going to suck for offenses. Routes have to be
Speaker 1: so pristine, Routes have to be so on point for
Speaker 1: guys that even remotely get open. Because you have a
Speaker 1: six one dude that has and it has Ijanda hands,
Speaker 1: that has punched you in your dog on chess at
Speaker 1: the line of scriptage and not letting you get your
Speaker 1: timing right. And you have those guys up front. It
Speaker 1: is the perfect scenario for everybody that's coaching this defense.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys lize. I know we're talking a lot about offense,
Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking a lot more about their defense.
Speaker 1: I unexpect, because these dudes are gonna have they're they're
Speaker 1: gonna ask some problems. Isaiah, what did you say he's
Speaker 1: doing the river dance? Yeah, here's my question, go ahead, nook.
Speaker 1: My question though, based on that philosophy of those those
Speaker 1: big corners, like can Jordan Lewis catch a break him here? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Because he because he didn't fit that role. He's five
Speaker 1: tens whatever he is, and and like Isaiah said, like
Speaker 1: he's got he's got some dogging and that guy's a
Speaker 1: competitor back there. But I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what this means for him in terms of his role.
Speaker 1: If if that's what they prefer, those bigger, longer corners, well,
Speaker 1: and you also can go ahead for heck, I was
Speaker 1: just saying that Jordan Lewis is one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: I think that he is a he's so tough, you know,
Speaker 1: he's a tough guys. Unfortunate that he got injured. And
Speaker 1: but again Anthony Brown stepped in and played really well
Speaker 1: until he got injured as well. I mean, but this
Speaker 1: this has given us these guys that are mallers at
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, and that is who Worldly is.
Speaker 1: He comes in with that tough North Philly attitude and
Speaker 1: a guy that comes that also has some things in
Speaker 1: his background as well, looking to make a fresh start.
Speaker 1: He was able to get that with the Raiders. But
Speaker 1: you know again that you're you're right when you talk
Speaker 1: about Al Harris and the group that he has. I mean,
Speaker 1: he has a bunch of guys that are salty and
Speaker 1: he knows that. And I look forward to this cowboy defense,
Speaker 1: especially on the back end, just being a bunch of
Speaker 1: guys that are going to be flying around trying to
Speaker 1: get those interceptions and take it to the house. And
Speaker 1: just the size alone, the size alone of our defense
Speaker 1: where we went from shorter guys up front, maybe smaller
Speaker 1: guys at the dB position. Just look at how much
Speaker 1: bigger this team has gotten in a very short period
Speaker 1: of time. Well, I think it also, I think it
Speaker 1: speaks to the switch to what maybe Mike McCarthy and
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan are thinking, what some of these corners going
Speaker 1: to the safety spot. And I know Cheeto Eoosia has
Speaker 1: been thrown into that conversation. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: would be better, if Jordan Lewis would be better for
Speaker 1: a switch there. And I kind of wanted to get
Speaker 1: you guys's opinion on this, But if they were to
Speaker 1: take some of these true corners and move them to safety,
Speaker 1: who would be the best to fit that role just
Speaker 1: because they don't necessarily fit the role of a longer corner.
Speaker 1: I think Cheeto's going back there. I'll say it a
Speaker 1: couple Okay, so I think they're moving Cheetah back there.
Speaker 1: I mean they got Cheeto and they gohaha, right, And
Speaker 1: we talk about how they're not going to have to
Speaker 1: be true true safeties in terms of being able to
Speaker 1: come in and roll Tate down and field a box.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna have to do that. Are our boys
Speaker 1: up front are going to take care of that? Don't
Speaker 1: I need people to really recognize how serious of a
Speaker 1: front seven we have right now? Right? And like I said,
Speaker 1: even if we get one of those guys right, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter which guy comes off as suspension. If we
Speaker 1: get one of those guys that front seven is stat right.
Speaker 1: If we can keep Lee healthy, then that's even more
Speaker 1: of a problem. Right, But those guys are literally all
Speaker 1: they need to be as ball hawks. Right, You're gonna
Speaker 1: put two six one guys out there on the edges
Speaker 1: to put hands on guy's chest as soon as they
Speaker 1: come off the line of scrimmage. Every single play, they're
Speaker 1: gonna have their hands on somebody's chest. So that's half
Speaker 1: a second gone, that's that's disrupted their route running. And
Speaker 1: then you got those guys over the top that have speed,
Speaker 1: that are long, that are arrange you, that can go
Speaker 1: sideline to sideline just in case the ball gets thrown
Speaker 1: up there. So these guys aren't gonna have to come
Speaker 1: up here and laid a big stick. They don't have
Speaker 1: to knock nobody out. You don't need Earl Thomas, you
Speaker 1: don't need a cam Chancellor. You need these guys that
Speaker 1: can run around and snag these balls that are gonna
Speaker 1: be thrown up there. Because of this front, Seven's pushing
Speaker 1: the pocket and quarterbacks are gonna be making these indecisive throws.
Speaker 1: And I think that Jordan Lewis is gonna have a
Speaker 1: bit of a role still in that defense. I mean
Speaker 1: the fact that he's better in the slot, and I
Speaker 1: mean that's gonna come up. Look what Philadelphia did with
Speaker 1: their first overall pick and or their first round pick
Speaker 1: Jalen Ragers, receiver from Waxahatchie and TCU. He's gonna have
Speaker 1: to have some good games or somebody good to cover
Speaker 1: throughout the course of the rivalry with Philadelphia then also
Speaker 1: any of the other sixteen games. I think Lewis fits
Speaker 1: better in the slot. But Isaiah, you kind of went
Speaker 1: back to the front seven, and I agree. I think
Speaker 1: the front seven is better this year than it was
Speaker 1: that last year, and I think they've continued to upgrade
Speaker 1: those spots. But I was asked last week on one
Speaker 1: oh five through the fan and our friends over there.
Speaker 1: They asked me, what's the biggest hole on this Cowboys
Speaker 1: team so far? And I didn't really know how to
Speaker 1: answer to Originally I was thinking either left guard or
Speaker 1: right defensive end. And the only reason I leaned toward
Speaker 1: right defensive end is because it's a huge if. Still
Speaker 1: if Alden Smith and Randy Gregory, either one of those
Speaker 1: guys get reinstated, sure it'll help out. I just don't
Speaker 1: I'm still not totally sold on either one of those guys.
Speaker 1: One hasn't been in the league for a multitude of years,
Speaker 1: the other one hasn't necessarily produced as much as you
Speaker 1: would think for a guy that had his caliber coming
Speaker 1: out of college. So I bring that question to you,
Speaker 1: right defensive end, could you still add some spots to there?
Speaker 1: Because you've already grabbed Bradley and I but is there
Speaker 1: anybody else that you could go out and potentially grab?
Speaker 1: And I'm not necessarily saying a Gadavian Clowney or a
Speaker 1: Griffin or anybody like that, just something else depth wise,
Speaker 1: So that right defensive indspot, I think you definitely ask
Speaker 1: some depth. I mean you never can. Obviously, these guys
Speaker 1: are focused on adding depth at every position, regardless of
Speaker 1: the competition. So I think we definitely can ask some
Speaker 1: more depth there. Do I feel like that's a whole? No,
Speaker 1: I don't believe that's a whole. I think we're going
Speaker 1: to get one of those guys off of suspension. I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna be perfectly fined up there. I do
Speaker 1: want to add another linebacker. I want to add another
Speaker 1: linebacker because you know, obviously Lee like me, has had
Speaker 1: you know, injury issues. You know, some things you just
Speaker 1: can't prevent. But we need somebody to fill that position
Speaker 1: just in case, right, Um, I think that if he's
Speaker 1: not in there, I think there's going to be a
Speaker 1: substantial hole there and you need somebody that has has
Speaker 1: the stature and then has the drive as as Jaylen
Speaker 1: Smith and vander As. I think you need some guys
Speaker 1: like those guys that are going to fulfill that role
Speaker 1: to be able to run and feel those gaps. But
Speaker 1: those those some big dudes that are that are moving
Speaker 1: at a high at a high rate. So I think
Speaker 1: you can't afford to lose at that position. To office
Speaker 1: a line I'm not worried about that either. I think
Speaker 1: we're good there. So yes, we can add another in
Speaker 1: just for insurance policy, but I prefer to add another
Speaker 1: linebacker at this point. I agree. I was thinking linebacker
Speaker 1: too when you guys were talking, And you know, kind
Speaker 1: of depends on what the new staff thinks about some
Speaker 1: of the young guys that are on this roster that
Speaker 1: we don't maybe know yet, you know, because Luke Gifford's
Speaker 1: a guy that that flashed before he got hurt last
Speaker 1: year at linebacker. Uh, maybe maybe they're high on him. Um,
Speaker 1: what do they feel about Dorance Armstrong and Jalen Jelks
Speaker 1: You know somebody I was thinking about Jelks, Yeah, Joe Jackson.
Speaker 1: Guys they drafted last year. We're not really sure, you know.
Speaker 1: So those are young players that they thought had promised
Speaker 1: last year. But it just depends on, you know, if
Speaker 1: you bring in a new coaching staff and what they
Speaker 1: think those guys. Yeah, I think a lot of the
Speaker 1: story is starting to come together on what they think
Speaker 1: about guys based off of the free agents that they're
Speaker 1: bringing in. And so I just believe that when you
Speaker 1: to your original to your question Kyle about how we
Speaker 1: feel about, you know, implementing new guys to the deep,
Speaker 1: right end or offensive line, you know, I believe that
Speaker 1: those questions are there for the defensive, for the right
Speaker 1: end position because of what we lost and what's hanging
Speaker 1: in the balance for guys getting reinstated. So look all things,
Speaker 1: I just feel as though we are in a position,
Speaker 1: in a very positive position with Aldon Smith and Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory being reinstated and all of those things happening. I
Speaker 1: believe that you feel comfortable going into the season with
Speaker 1: the NI Gregory and Smith and fighting it out during
Speaker 1: two of days. But with the team like this, you
Speaker 1: can never have enough guys at the linebacker position. I mean,
Speaker 1: with the way if they're going to play that three
Speaker 1: four four three hybrid, those are the positions dbs linebackers
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have to be Trump type on those.
Speaker 1: And so you see the Cowboys getting all those dbs.
Speaker 1: But obviously they're satisfied with the guys that they have
Speaker 1: at the linebacker position. And also if you're going to
Speaker 1: make any moves, look, you can be patient with that
Speaker 1: because they're gonna be a number of guys that I
Speaker 1: said last week, they're gonna be a number of guys
Speaker 1: that are gonna be cut. Free agency is gonna ramp
Speaker 1: back up here in a minute, and you may have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to get a guy that you may not
Speaker 1: necessarily thought would have been that have landed to you. Well,
Speaker 1: when we talked about it last week, we didn't think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were done. We thought they were going to
Speaker 1: add a couple of guys. They did just that. Darryl
Speaker 1: Worley was signed a couple hours after we got off
Speaker 1: the year last Tuesday. And then you turn around and
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton is now a Dallas Cowboy as well. I
Speaker 1: don't think they're done. I think they're still adding and
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have maybe somebody to talk about
Speaker 1: next week at a new Dallas Cowboy heading into next Tuesday.
Speaker 1: But that's gonna do it for this Tuesday's addition of
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. Have a Cinco de mayo to everybody out there,
Speaker 1: and hope you're staying safe, staying indoors, and we continue
Speaker 1: to push toward football. But for now, for heck By Harrison,
Speaker 1: for Isaiah stand Back, and for the great Rob Phillips
Speaker 1: and Kyle Yoman saying so long, thanks for listening and
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