WEBVTT - How well do you know the T. Rex?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Welcome to Stuff from the Science Lab from how

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<v Speaker 1>stuff works dot com. Hey guys, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Alison Madermelick, the science editor at how stuff

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<v Speaker 1>works dot com, and this is Robert Lamb, science writer

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<v Speaker 1>at how stuff works dot com. Today we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the tyrant lizard King a k a. The Tyrannosaurus Rex. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a dinosaur that I grew up with, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people out there grew up with. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had the little plastic figuring of him. I was

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<v Speaker 1>having him beat up on Try Sarah tops attacking Stegasaurus,

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<v Speaker 1>is eating g I Joe men, you know, knocking down

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<v Speaker 1>wooden block castles. The Tyrannosaurs Rex was just no kidding,

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<v Speaker 1>a hero, I think to a lot of children, and

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<v Speaker 1>uh and I and I think still is today. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>I have kids, have nephews, have all sorts of little

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<v Speaker 1>ones running around, and I went to one of the

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<v Speaker 1>what one of the toy stores recently and there's ginormous

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<v Speaker 1>amounts of dinosaur toys aimed kids. Actually some that are

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<v Speaker 1>I was pretty fascinated about. Yeah, and of course, if

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<v Speaker 1>you look at the depictions of what this guy looked

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<v Speaker 1>like you can you can tell why we're so attached

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<v Speaker 1>to it. I mean, he's just he's just awesome looking.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about a big bipedal dinosaur with just massive jaws,

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<v Speaker 1>enormous teeth, little bity front arms, but massive legs, an

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<v Speaker 1>enormous tale. I mean, it's it's like a dragon, just

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<v Speaker 1>a sheer monster. Yeah. I mean when I picture a dinosaur,

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<v Speaker 1>you probably think of a t rex. I know I do.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's quantify the two rex a little bit. He's

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<v Speaker 1>about forty ft long, which, if you think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>is the height of a four story building, assuming ten

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<v Speaker 1>ft per story um the sky, as Robert mentioned, had huge,

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<v Speaker 1>huge shoppers. I think his teeth were what seven seven

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<v Speaker 1>inches per tooth, and his jaw was about four ft long.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's the size of a small person. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when you factor in that he probably had you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some more between four thousand and six thousand pounds of

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<v Speaker 1>pressure per square inch with that thing. I also read

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<v Speaker 1>the t rex could wolf down five hundred pounds in

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<v Speaker 1>one bite. Can you imagine? The t rex was probably

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<v Speaker 1>one of the last dinosaurs ever to walk the Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>right before the KT boundary extinction event, wiped everything out,

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<v Speaker 1>um and we found fossils in the United States, Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>East Asia, and the US. Actually, Montana has been a

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<v Speaker 1>virtual treasure trove of t rex is. So with all

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<v Speaker 1>these crazy attributes, you know, the huge shaws, the crazy chompers,

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<v Speaker 1>the big stature, you'd think that the t Rex was

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<v Speaker 1>the fiercest of the fierce. Yeah, naturally, And actually that's

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<v Speaker 1>how it was depicted by artists. Charles R. Night in

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineteen hundred's um Night was the first one

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<v Speaker 1>to to paint the t rex and he painted it

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<v Speaker 1>standing upright, the tail was dragging on the ground and

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<v Speaker 1>he's squaring off with the Triceratops. And the Triceratops is

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<v Speaker 1>that dinosaur with you know, the frill around its neck

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<v Speaker 1>and the two horns, and I think it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a peace loving animal, except for when it was facing

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<v Speaker 1>off against the t Rex. Yeah, but I've often heard

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<v Speaker 1>it put like the t Rex is like is the

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<v Speaker 1>little boy's favorite dinosaur and the try Saratops is the

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<v Speaker 1>girl's favorite dinosaur. You just made that up, Now, that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>I know my my wife's favorite dinosaurs to try Saratops,

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<v Speaker 1>and mine is the t Rex. I think mine was

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<v Speaker 1>the Prontosaurus. Well that's another peaceful even the not exactly

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<v Speaker 1>a real dinosaur, but still you can hold onto that fantasy.

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<v Speaker 1>I can, I can, and I will. Um. So Night

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<v Speaker 1>was was the first guy to really get down what

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<v Speaker 1>t rex look like on paper, and as such, there

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<v Speaker 1>are billions of toys spawn from this image and even Godzilla. Yeah, like,

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<v Speaker 1>basically Night's image looks like a guy in a dinosaur costume.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the same stature. You know, you could say,

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<v Speaker 1>we're really throwing our anthropomorphic baggage at a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>fossils and creating something that kind of looks like a

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<v Speaker 1>good dude in a suit. But film fans have also

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<v Speaker 1>um gotten to witness the emergence of new models for

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<v Speaker 1>how the t rex would have looked. And you guys

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<v Speaker 1>are gonna where we're going with this Jurassic Park classic scene, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>dinosaur chasing Sam Neil and company in the vehicle. This

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<v Speaker 1>is this is a very different take on the dinosaur.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't it's it's more streamlined. The tail it's up

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<v Speaker 1>in the air, and it's it's it's running. It's really

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<v Speaker 1>upgraded nights vision of what the animal consisted of into

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<v Speaker 1>like an even more awesome predator. Right, So before night

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<v Speaker 1>kind of had the t Rex standing as this big, plotting,

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<v Speaker 1>hulking dinosaur. But then you know, with the with the

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<v Speaker 1>advent of Jurassic Park and even earlier than that, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the t Rex gotta makeover. And he was sleeker, and

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, his body's parallel to the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>tails not dragging on the ground anymore. And and this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is the newer version of the t Rex

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<v Speaker 1>that that we now know, so even you know, even

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<v Speaker 1>more reason for kids to love him. But just as

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<v Speaker 1>kids get older and uh, suddenly they learned a little

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<v Speaker 1>more about their heroes and their their heroes, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>tarnish a little bit um. Also, a lot of studies

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<v Speaker 1>have come out to sort of tarnish the reputation a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of the t Rex. The t rex is

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<v Speaker 1>has gone down. Yeah, no it's not so much, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>no drug scandals or anything transsi no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, car Rex or anything. But but no, there's

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<v Speaker 1>been some new studies to to cast his role as

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<v Speaker 1>King of the Dinosaurs in doubt, namely that maybe he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't so much a super predator as a pretty good scavenger. Scavenger,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a totally different volume. Yeah, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>that it goes from you know, king of the jungle

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<v Speaker 1>to like a vulture or you know, or something. And

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<v Speaker 1>there are a number of reasons for this. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>just people wanting to bad mouth uh that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a hero to children. Some of the the attributes that

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<v Speaker 1>t Rex had huge nostrils, which is great if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to smell out some dead dinos out there in

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<v Speaker 1>the primordial jungle. All right, those teeth and jaws, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're great for chomping into living things, but they're all

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<v Speaker 1>so great for busting through giant you know, Stegasaurus corpses, etcetera,

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<v Speaker 1>getting at that bone marrow that's so rich in nutrients.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's another thing they've in studying this stuff called

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<v Speaker 1>copper light, which is basically fossilized fossilized dino uh excrement.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah uh. They found a lot of bone fragments making

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<v Speaker 1>it look like these guys consumed a lot of bones. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a lot like a really interesting bird that

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<v Speaker 1>you find in the mountains of Ethiopia but also throughout

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<v Speaker 1>Europe Asian Africa called the lambur guyer. And this guy

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<v Speaker 1>looks like basically like a big vulture, really kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful animal. But he he shows up late to

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<v Speaker 1>all the the dead things. The other vultures get their

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<v Speaker 1>first pick over the flesh, the lambur guyer shows up.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes after the bones, takes the bones, drops them

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<v Speaker 1>from a really really high altitude. They crack open, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he just gulps down all these bone fragments. All right, there,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing really is wasted in nature, right, And there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of nutrients inside bones, um, you know, the bone marrow,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. And it's the stuff that not every scavenger

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be specialized enough to take advantage off.

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<v Speaker 1>So and then they also found, um, some t rex

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<v Speaker 1>teeth in the dino do basically ends up painting this

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<v Speaker 1>picture of the t rex is a like a giant

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<v Speaker 1>trash compactor going at these at the bones of dead animals,

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<v Speaker 1>just chomping it all down vicious so viciously. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>it's just bone fragments and his own teeth getting snapped

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<v Speaker 1>off and you know, passing through his system. I just

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<v Speaker 1>had sort of a funny vision of you ripping into

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<v Speaker 1>some meal and losing a couple of teeth in the process.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm imagining that's what it was like for the

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<v Speaker 1>t rex. Yeah, I've never been that hungry, but I've

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<v Speaker 1>never had to hunt down my dinner in in dinosaur times.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of my favorite supporting ideas that the t

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<v Speaker 1>rex was a scavenger um is on the basis of parents.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, so, Uh. The idea is that the t

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<v Speaker 1>rex is not too attractive of a dinosaur, and well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just call spade a spade. Uh, the t rex

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<v Speaker 1>is ugly, and h his ugliness he has in common

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<v Speaker 1>with hyenas and vultures and and the legs. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is uh. I really hate to imagine that one being

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<v Speaker 1>taught in school two kids and saying, since the t

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<v Speaker 1>rex was an ugly dinosaur, he had no choice but

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<v Speaker 1>to eat things that others wouldn't, you know, That's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's very silly. Saratops, however, is beautiful and she

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<v Speaker 1>used to eat whatever she wants. I also heard that

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<v Speaker 1>the those powerful legs could have been made for walking

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<v Speaker 1>long distances as opposed to running down pray. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're if you pray is not going anywhere. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just a matter of running off some other

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<v Speaker 1>scavengers when you get there. You don't necessarily need to

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<v Speaker 1>run like a freight train. People have also made the

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<v Speaker 1>argument that well they have they have museless little arms,

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<v Speaker 1>all the more reason that they're just scavengers. But that

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<v Speaker 1>goes both ways. People point out, well, all snakes, you

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<v Speaker 1>have plenty of excellent snake predators, and obviously snakes don't

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<v Speaker 1>have arms, so that one's kind of a stupid one

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion. However, the predator side still has some

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<v Speaker 1>has some supporters and there, and they really like to

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<v Speaker 1>put out this just awesome image in my mind, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think all the children out there will agree of

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<v Speaker 1>of this guy running just at a at a really

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<v Speaker 1>fast speed, opening his jaws wide and just crashing into

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<v Speaker 1>his prey. Yeah, and that's where and then that ends

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<v Speaker 1>up shattering teeth as well, Like just opening his jaws

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<v Speaker 1>and just running smack into the side of a stegosaurs.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of just picture the t rex going running

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<v Speaker 1>full speed and either way they definitely not on each

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<v Speaker 1>other a lot um. But but then that's one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things you have. You have beetles in the wild

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<v Speaker 1>that have basically evolved large mandibles just for wrestling with

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<v Speaker 1>each other, so that that doesn't you know, necessarily mean

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<v Speaker 1>one thing or another. But you know, even if they

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<v Speaker 1>were scavengers, they were probably getting into some pretty serious

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<v Speaker 1>scrapes with each other. So the the whole argument of

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<v Speaker 1>whether the t rex was a scavenger predator also leads

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<v Speaker 1>us into whether the t rex was fast or slow. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So if he's a scavenger, then he can be a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit you know, less zippy to his next meal,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas if he's a if he's a predator, then he's

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<v Speaker 1>probably likely to be more agile and fast, fast on

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<v Speaker 1>his feet, right. And it's important to mention too that

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<v Speaker 1>this is something that's that's very hard to track down

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<v Speaker 1>evidence for. There's almost no direct evidence. Um, we have

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<v Speaker 1>these things called track ways, which are basically fossilized dinosaur footprints,

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<v Speaker 1>and they tend not to be long enough though to

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<v Speaker 1>encompass the stride of a t rex. So a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of this we're having to look at other factors. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not just a matter of looking at the footprints. Yeah, So,

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<v Speaker 1>exactly how fast was a t rex? Well, some say

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<v Speaker 1>that he could run at forty five miles per hour,

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<v Speaker 1>and others have suggested a more moderate twenty five miles

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<v Speaker 1>per hour. Again, I mean, think about one of these

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<v Speaker 1>guys coming after full speed forty five miles per hour.

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<v Speaker 1>It's I mean, you couldn't take him out on the freeway,

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<v Speaker 1>but in an animal speed, that's pretty that's pretty good,

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<v Speaker 1>Which leads us to your next area of a scientific argument.

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<v Speaker 1>Was this guy warm blooded or cold blooded? Well, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're thinking that he's kind of a zippy being and

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<v Speaker 1>he's chasing down prey and or even walking long distances

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<v Speaker 1>to get out carry on, then then chances are maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't cold blooded, but he was warm blooded. So

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<v Speaker 1>just just a little refresher course in case you guys

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<v Speaker 1>can't remember this body of the cold blended animals such

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<v Speaker 1>like such as a snake or a lizard is is

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<v Speaker 1>one that changes with the ambient temperature. So, um, a

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<v Speaker 1>lizard is going to be more active when it's warm,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's going to be kind of sluggish and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel like getting out of bed when it's cold,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas warm blooded animals such as mammals and birds and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe dinosaurs are are active all the time regardless of temperature.

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<v Speaker 1>Where this ties into the whole speed issue too, is

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<v Speaker 1>it's basically a matter of looking at these bodies, the

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<v Speaker 1>body of this dinosaur, and saying how much energy would

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<v Speaker 1>it need to run at this speed? And in some

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<v Speaker 1>instances the scientists argue that it would that the body

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<v Speaker 1>would require more energy than a cold blooded system would

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<v Speaker 1>be able to create. Okay, yeah, So then that leads

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<v Speaker 1>to people saying, well, dinosaurs were cold blooded, so they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't possibly run that fast, or people saying, uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>dinosaurs ran fast, so they have to be warm blooded.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically it seems like we have we have to

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<v Speaker 1>get to know the t rex a little bit better. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, and and also there's you know, we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about applying anthropomorphic baggage to dinosaurs earlier. I think part

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<v Speaker 1>of that too is when we think of think of

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<v Speaker 1>a dinosaur like a t rex is being like a

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<v Speaker 1>predator or being a scavenger. We tend to think of

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<v Speaker 1>our most iconic modern examples the right or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a vulture or you know something else that runs in

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<v Speaker 1>front of your car, you know, to eat a dead possum,

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<v Speaker 1>and their nature doesn't always work in such well defined uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, examples like for instance, takee commodo dragon. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a large predator and it is at the top

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<v Speaker 1>of its food chain, and it's in its respective ecosystems,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not running down gazelle or anything, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's not even depending on like that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of energy to take its prey. It'll come up to,

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<v Speaker 1>say a water buffalo, and will bite it, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it'll set around and wait weeks for that water buffalo

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<v Speaker 1>to die from the venom, and then once it gets

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<v Speaker 1>week we can off. All the other commodo dragons will

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<v Speaker 1>come over and they'll feast on it. So that's not

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a very iconic view of a predator's role.

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<v Speaker 1>And on the other end, scavengers aren't necessarily the skulking,

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<v Speaker 1>horrible little creatures in the night that you know, run

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<v Speaker 1>from every light. Right if you kind of think of

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<v Speaker 1>the whole green movement that's going on today, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you could regard scavengers as kind of heroic and that

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<v Speaker 1>nothing is wasted in nature and everything is eaten. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so maybe it's not as much that the t rex

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<v Speaker 1>um is losing its appeal to kids, but it's like

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<v Speaker 1>it's like an image makeover the t Rex isn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>the king of the jungle, but hey, look how how

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<v Speaker 1>much of a you know, a green ICONI is eating

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<v Speaker 1>all that bone and well and and maybe he's a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of both. And in fact, I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>what Tracy Wilson was getting at in her article was

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<v Speaker 1>the Tyrannosaurus rex a predator or scavenger? And you can

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<v Speaker 1>find that article, of course, on how staff Works. But

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, maybe the t Rex did have a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of both. Yeah, I for one, I'm still gonna

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<v Speaker 1>continue to put t Rex at the top of my

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<v Speaker 1>list favorite dinosaur, top of your food chain. Robert, huh,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah about you? Do you like the t rex? If

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<v Speaker 1>this this has changed your view on him? I think

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<v Speaker 1>the t rex is pretty cool. You're still sticking to

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<v Speaker 1>that Bronosaurus it doesn't actually exist. I still do like

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<v Speaker 1>the purple Bronosaurus a little bit. Ak If Windstones. If

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<v Speaker 1>out some cool articles like our Komodo dragon's mouths deadlier

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