Speaker 1: The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This is Mick
Speaker 1: Shot screening live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the
Speaker 1: official Dallas Cowboys apt now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. And it is high noon on a Wednesday,
Speaker 1: here inside the SWBC podcast studio at the Star in Frisco.
Speaker 1: And this is a Don't Mess with Me Wednesday edition
Speaker 1: of mix Shots. Don't Mess with Mickey edition of mix Shots,
Speaker 1: as we get you ready for the Cowboys and the
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions this week after an eventful NFL Owners meeting yesterday.
Speaker 1: Yes it was checking as inad we're talking soap out
Speaker 1: from messing here. Man, come on, what's you guy, buddy?
Speaker 1: Can we just get along? No weekend? Don't minish with me, Mickey.
Speaker 1: Too much money in the room, baby, It's too much
Speaker 1: money in the room, That's all I'm saying. So what
Speaker 1: exactly were they messing with? This came up messing with
Speaker 1: a big old contract, right, money is on the lineback
Speaker 1: TV contract. The commissioner. Commissioner. Oh okay, yeah, so I'm
Speaker 1: looking at it like okay, uh the flake gate, right.
Speaker 1: Uh that's when when Jerry was all in, you know,
Speaker 1: on hey by Bobe, I love you, man, but they
Speaker 1: get the flake gate. I gotta I gotta pick a side.
Speaker 1: I went against you. Craft was like, I'm gonna remember that.
Speaker 1: Then here comes Zeke, you know, with his uh Ohio
Speaker 1: state antics, following him into the pros and then uh,
Speaker 1: Craft is like pulling the trigger on it. Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: uh Roger, what you gonna do? Man about you know,
Speaker 1: I've been hearing about Zeke beginning to having some problems. Man,
Speaker 1: Your boy Jerry's over there having two kind of a time.
Speaker 1: Can we put a can we put some salt in
Speaker 1: this in this cereal? And that's what happened. Let's let's
Speaker 1: tap the brakes on this contract extension. He called his
Speaker 1: boy Roger. Jerry's like, I don't like Roger that much.
Speaker 1: I was like, for some reason, I like him a lot. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: why is that? Because he was doing your biddings. If
Speaker 1: I'm paying that kind of money to somebody, I'd say
Speaker 1: tap the brakes too, Let's let's let's talk this out.
Speaker 1: But didn't he didn't he do that the last time?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Jerry? Yeah, yeah, I didn't when when
Speaker 1: Goodell's contract was right and he was like, well, well
Speaker 1: let's not so fast. So note different, Uh, why were
Speaker 1: you just rubber stamping this? You know, Jerry wanted to
Speaker 1: see what else was out there. Right. In fact, we
Speaker 1: would all have another commissioner. You can see if another
Speaker 1: commissioners out there, you can find three three, we'll do
Speaker 1: it ourselves. Well, could be a triumvirate commissioners right here.
Speaker 1: Go back to where the cowboys were once run. And
Speaker 1: I seen what the kind of people in charge, and
Speaker 1: I see the kind of money commissioners are making. I
Speaker 1: wish I would have stayed in law school more than
Speaker 1: a month. This guy I just looked at up. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize he's making sixty three point nine million a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty soon he's going to be one of the owners
Speaker 1: of one of these. And let's remember who's paying him, right,
Speaker 1: So I say, you know, to sixty four million dollar
Speaker 1: question here, right, you know, you got to ask more
Speaker 1: from a commissioner when you're paying sixty four million than
Speaker 1: just coming up here and being the being the front guy.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Figurehead, Yeah, figurehead sitting up
Speaker 1: here talking about you know, hey, guys, you know, we
Speaker 1: really hate what we you know, did to the minorities
Speaker 1: and you know the other players back in the day.
Speaker 1: And so if that's all it takes for him to
Speaker 1: fall on the sword, sixty four meal a year and
Speaker 1: he's just falling on the sword, that's cool stuff. Man
Speaker 1: and Fallow. I followed many times and Jerry versus Robert Kraft.
Speaker 1: Pat Jones, who is a friend of Jerry's. He has
Speaker 1: a radio show in Oklahoma City. I'm listening to him
Speaker 1: this morning. The former Okloma State head coach, former NFL
Speaker 1: assistant for me, Jimmy's uh, Jimmy's guy too. He was
Speaker 1: assistant with Jimmy replaced him at Oklhoma State. He smarted,
Speaker 1: He said, I don't care, even at eighty years old,
Speaker 1: I'm taking Jerry at that. Jerry and Pat was at
Speaker 1: Arkansas when Jerry played football. You know, people don't give
Speaker 1: him credit, but he was a pretty good football player.
Speaker 1: All America. It went. I thought National champion Jimmy was
Speaker 1: all American, right, no, no, no, no star. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: They started on Nancy championship team. Yeah yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: They were. They were, Yeah, they won a National Championship. Well,
Speaker 1: let's remember the song he mentioned they sang at his
Speaker 1: eightieth birthday party, don't let the old man in, which
Speaker 1: means you may be old in age, but you don't
Speaker 1: have to act like a man. Right, that's right. What
Speaker 1: else you got Mickey by God speaking of old men? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know what, that's accurate. H And I ain't
Speaker 1: letting them in either, all right, So there it is.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a don't mess with me wednesdays of
Speaker 1: mix shots. Now, we had an open locker room here
Speaker 1: in the last we did. Right, My question for you,
Speaker 1: was there any cheese hanging from the ceiling in that locker?
Speaker 1: Was not, and there was a lot of, um, I think,
Speaker 1: irritated defenseman in there. Okay, good, I'd like to hear
Speaker 1: that Layton vander Eshu. You could tell he kind of
Speaker 1: asked the question. I can't remember what it was, and
Speaker 1: he kind of paused and he goes, yeah, he goes,
Speaker 1: I better not answer that one, and then he kind
Speaker 1: of softened up and said something. Because you can tell
Speaker 1: it hit a chord that he was not happy with
Speaker 1: the defense and how it played. Okay, I love here.
Speaker 1: I love hearing that because The reason I asked it
Speaker 1: was their cheese hanging from the ceiling is because I
Speaker 1: look at this as even though the Cowboys are coming
Speaker 1: off a loss at Philadelphia, but with the quarterback coming
Speaker 1: back this week, and with a one in four Lions
Speaker 1: team coming off a bye coming in here, Dan Campbell
Speaker 1: coming back home. It's from glenn Rose, Texas. He's gonna
Speaker 1: have them ready to play. And so I look at
Speaker 1: this as a potential trap game. If they knew he
Speaker 1: was a Texas from some little small clown glen Rose,
Speaker 1: well what he Tramsford because where he grew up dinosaurs.
Speaker 1: Where he grew up, they were still playing six man football,
Speaker 1: and so he basically transferred to glen Rose so he
Speaker 1: can play eleven on eleven. And I think, if I
Speaker 1: read the story right, he had to go to maybe
Speaker 1: Juco before he ended up at A and m Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was a real small born in Clifton, Texas. Okay,
Speaker 1: it was something he know where that is he pointed
Speaker 1: out that no one ever heard and it was next
Speaker 1: to the next town that was the biggest town. It
Speaker 1: had one stop light in it. Yeah, so his town
Speaker 1: was smaller than the one stop light town did you
Speaker 1: find it. Well, Clifton is the largest city in Bosque
Speaker 1: County in central Texas, with a population of thirty four hundred.
Speaker 1: So maybe that was the hospital they had to go to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that might have been the one stop light town. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll do more research on it. It's but we don't
Speaker 1: need to get bogged out in that. No. But but
Speaker 1: look and Texas Aggie by the let's let's throw out.
Speaker 1: Let's proud Texas at Oh yeah, let's throw out, aren't
Speaker 1: they all? I'm gonna try one more time. Yes, speaking
Speaker 1: of Texas Aggies, Rob Phillips is joining us later, Yes
Speaker 1: he is. Okay, go ahead, go ahead, let's throw out
Speaker 1: the twenty nine to nothing lost to New England. Yes, okay.
Speaker 1: They lose to Philadelphia thirty eight thirty five season opener,
Speaker 1: So that's what twenty four points more than the Cowboys
Speaker 1: scored against h Philadelphia. They beat Washington thirty six twenty seven.
Speaker 1: They lost to Minnesota twenty eight twenty four and lost
Speaker 1: the Seattle Kins had to make a comeback on the
Speaker 1: right two touchdowns in the fourth quarter to come back
Speaker 1: score the Cowboys Eagles game seventeen was my math. Your
Speaker 1: math was way off. Okay, Detroit scored thirty five against Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: which is thirty five minus eighteen, and then that's what
Speaker 1: we're here for. Us Backs. They lose to Seattle, damn.
Speaker 1: So they're putting up numbers. They and they're giving up numbers.
Speaker 1: The defense hasn't played well, but they're they're score they're
Speaker 1: scoring points. I think they're the outside of when they
Speaker 1: go up against Bill Belichick. Yeah, and see the thing
Speaker 1: about it is they're they're not giving up. And that's
Speaker 1: kind of like Campbell. You know, he's a very stubborn guy.
Speaker 1: You can tell that from watching on Hard Knocks. You
Speaker 1: know he's gonna do it his way, especially when you're
Speaker 1: coming to a team like Detroit. But he gives them
Speaker 1: hope even at the end of ball games they're down
Speaker 1: by two scores and they're still able to make a
Speaker 1: run at it. I gotta give him some love on that.
Speaker 1: And you need to be aware if you're Cowboys defense.
Speaker 1: So in the in the team rankings, which is yards
Speaker 1: per game, right, they're number two in offense m they're
Speaker 1: thirty second in defense. So uh, but they've scored other
Speaker 1: than the shutout, and other teams have just scored more well,
Speaker 1: you know Belichick he has Jared Goff's number, said exactly.
Speaker 1: I was thinking, I'm thinking about driving in that. You know,
Speaker 1: they lost to the Patriots twenty nine nothing. And then
Speaker 1: just as I was turning on into the parking lot here,
Speaker 1: I thought, Belichick's got Jared Goff's number. Three. The Super
Speaker 1: Bowl I was at in Atlanta. Ten to wright, Am
Speaker 1: I right? Ten? Three? Yeah? I was close to that.
Speaker 1: It was ugly. As long as I got the three correct,
Speaker 1: That's that's your point. I mean, golf, golf is only
Speaker 1: you know, this might have got distorted with the shut
Speaker 1: out by New England. But he hasn't even completed sixty
Speaker 1: percent of his passes. You know, they've been running the football.
Speaker 1: Uh and and and well they lost DeAndre Swift to
Speaker 1: a shoulder injury right a couple of games ago. He
Speaker 1: only had well, he's only had oh no, he had
Speaker 1: twenty seven carries, so that you know over four games that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Williams is the leader. Um, he's got six rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Do you think the Cowboys got six rushing touchdowns? I'm
Speaker 1: sure you'll have the answer. For shortly it was thirteen
Speaker 1: to three, and then Super fourteen yeah, okay, um, they
Speaker 1: I watched the first half of the last night, the
Speaker 1: first half of the Lions Patriots game, and by the way,
Speaker 1: my answers, no, they've got four okay, And actually that
Speaker 1: game against the Patriots was was closer than twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Nothing would indicate they were they were. There was some
Speaker 1: Jared Goff shooting himself in the foot on a couple
Speaker 1: of occasions in the first half, especially uh, he threw
Speaker 1: a pick They were the Lions were down in the
Speaker 1: red zone or near the ridge zone. I think they
Speaker 1: were at the eighteen yard line. He threw a pass
Speaker 1: on the left side line into double coverage. He got
Speaker 1: picked off. They were down six nothing at that three
Speaker 1: nothing at that point, and then you talked about their
Speaker 1: run defense. The run defense is not good. I think
Speaker 1: their thirty second in the league and run defense, and
Speaker 1: the Patriots took over at their own three yard line
Speaker 1: and basically ranted down their throat and kicked the field goal.
Speaker 1: So it's still it's six nothing at that point then well,
Speaker 1: and then on one other occasion, Dan Campbell Zappy Bailey
Speaker 1: Zappy was his quarterback. Yeah, and he looks good, by
Speaker 1: the way, But there was another occase. It was first
Speaker 1: drive of the game. The Lions have a fourth and
Speaker 1: one at their own forty five yard line and they
Speaker 1: go for it and they don't make it, and so
Speaker 1: they gave them three points there. Basically, Okay, they were
Speaker 1: what they were. They were fourth and one at their
Speaker 1: own forty five yard line, they went for it, did
Speaker 1: not make it. Patriots took over exactly right. And here's
Speaker 1: the deal. We're looking at how how important and we've
Speaker 1: always talked about how important turnover the turnover ratios are.
Speaker 1: These coaches are going for it on their own end
Speaker 1: of the field on a fourth and one situation, and
Speaker 1: if you don't make it, that is a turnover. They say,
Speaker 1: you know, yes, and so if they if Dan Campbell
Speaker 1: didn't decide to do that, if he just played the
Speaker 1: game they're playing in Foxborough, Okay, just just let the
Speaker 1: game come to you. Don't bring the crowd exactly right,
Speaker 1: pun them down inside their own twenty or whatever, and
Speaker 1: make them drive the length the field. They got a
Speaker 1: quarterback starting there his first NFL game, make him go
Speaker 1: the length of the field anyway. Point being then they
Speaker 1: it was six nothing second quarter, about three minutes left
Speaker 1: in the in the half and they've got a third
Speaker 1: down at the twenty six yard line. Uh, and he
Speaker 1: gets sacked. Okay, and so now there it's it's a
Speaker 1: I think it was a fourth down play, all right.
Speaker 1: So now now he's trying they instead apparently they don't
Speaker 1: have a field goal kicker. Oka, they can't kick fifty
Speaker 1: yard field goal. They went forward on fourth down and
Speaker 1: Matt Judon flushed him out of the pocket, striped sack.
Speaker 1: Uh and they returned. Kyle Dugger returns at forty eight
Speaker 1: or fifty eight eight yards for a touchdock. And so
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, you were about to you,
Speaker 1: if you had a kicker, okay, you were about to
Speaker 1: at least kick a field goal and make this a
Speaker 1: six to three game, And all of a sudden you're
Speaker 1: down thirteen to nothing. What's going on with their kicker? Well,
Speaker 1: I was just gonna tell you. So the kicker says,
Speaker 1: parentheses practice squad. So maybe I'm the third kicker. They're
Speaker 1: on their third kicker, because Michael Badgeley and say am
Speaker 1: ficking yeah? Are both now on the practice Somber Siebert
Speaker 1: had been there, Cyber Cybert. It's Austin Cybert. He had.
Speaker 1: That's how I know how he's only attempted five field goals.
Speaker 1: He made three. He's twelve with twelve on extra points. Um,
Speaker 1: so it looks like these other guys they haven't even
Speaker 1: they've got them listed on the depth chart and they
Speaker 1: haven't kicked. And they're other kicker they Eberly, Yeah, Dominic Eberley,
Speaker 1: he was let go one of one. Yeah. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: they've only made four field goals so far this year.
Speaker 1: M And you're thinking, when you score that many points,
Speaker 1: you're probably you know, but apparently they're just orange. They
Speaker 1: don't know. They just go for it. They just go
Speaker 1: for it rather than kick field goes. I'm going through
Speaker 1: that game and last night we went through the drive
Speaker 1: chart on it, and I said, now, if you would
Speaker 1: have just kicked, if he had a kicker and he
Speaker 1: would just kick the field goal, I hadn't figured out,
Speaker 1: kind of like on our show yesterday that this would
Speaker 1: have been like a sixteen thirteen game in the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter if he had a kicker. But he was going
Speaker 1: for it on fourth down every time. So they have
Speaker 1: scored eighteen touchdowns? How many touchdowns? Just off top of
Speaker 1: your head, you think the Cowboys have scored twelve ten.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't think you need to hang any
Speaker 1: cheese if they are paying attention just because it says Detroit, right. Um.
Speaker 1: And I think vander ash was asked the question, I
Speaker 1: think after the cameras left, and he either didn't understand
Speaker 1: it or he was offended by it. And his point was, also,
Speaker 1: we have to worry about is ourselves, and this defense
Speaker 1: can play like that, right, they can play like that
Speaker 1: against anybody. I mean even with the Eagles. You know,
Speaker 1: we had our moments to where they had to make
Speaker 1: the adjustment, but we made great halftime adjustment, right, I
Speaker 1: like that? What do you think? And he wasn't happy
Speaker 1: about what happened on the possession after it got to
Speaker 1: twenty seven. That's exactly what I was about to ask. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, what do you think it perturbs him and
Speaker 1: the defense the most about that game against the Eagle? Well,
Speaker 1: why do you think? I don't know how many times
Speaker 1: he used it. Quinn in his press conference on Monday
Speaker 1: use the term pod and I guarantee you that's what
Speaker 1: did it, because they allowed him to convert those three
Speaker 1: consecutive things, and they ran the ball, ran on him
Speaker 1: all the way down the field and then finally it
Speaker 1: was a touchdown pass at the end. But yeah, with
Speaker 1: mendown field, But so culprits. The fact that we were
Speaker 1: able to give it up in that manner, is there
Speaker 1: something that we can hang our hats on. Okay, third downs,
Speaker 1: yeah they were successful, but running the ball as well
Speaker 1: were we were not able to consistently keep them in
Speaker 1: the backfield. I mean they they were doing the same
Speaker 1: thing that we saw in San Francisco, the same frustration.
Speaker 1: Long drives that not only are time consuming, but it's disheartening,
Speaker 1: you know, to your entire team. That's one of those
Speaker 1: moments where it's like a turn over to me when
Speaker 1: you were able to How long was the drive? Oh,
Speaker 1: it was at least seventy five It was after the
Speaker 1: field goal, right, so I think it was seventy five yards, right,
Speaker 1: They started on the after a touchback. Looking at my
Speaker 1: notes and see that that was seventy five yards. Thirteen
Speaker 1: plays seventy five yards and it was one, two, three,
Speaker 1: four or five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven passes
Speaker 1: and then I mean eleven run runs and then a
Speaker 1: past a J. Brown for twenty two and the touchdown
Speaker 1: to Davante Smith for the final set. Right now, they
Speaker 1: won't have the same problem figuring out what Jared Goff's
Speaker 1: gonna do. He's not running post and so they don't
Speaker 1: have to worry about and that's what gave him problems.
Speaker 1: But there may be other ways. When they've had problems
Speaker 1: stopping the run, people have attacked the edges, meaning the
Speaker 1: defensive ends can't be single minded that I'm going to
Speaker 1: get the quarterback. You've got to set the edge. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: and the linebackers, you know, however they're playing it now.
Speaker 1: I did notice that they did play some more four
Speaker 1: three with three linebackers instead of two linebackers and curse
Speaker 1: or however they were kind of doing it. But again, uh,
Speaker 1: you know they're gonna come in here and say, okay,
Speaker 1: we can run them all um, And they've they've averaged
Speaker 1: five point four yards a carry. So if that doesn't
Speaker 1: get their attention now, it may not get everybody else's
Speaker 1: attention outside the building. But I would imagine that's been
Speaker 1: ingrained to him in the team meetings these first two days,
Speaker 1: which they will practice. Well, maybe by time we finish here,
Speaker 1: but it's going to be a kind of a pullback
Speaker 1: practice because of how late they got in on Monday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what people don't understand on the travel. I mean,
Speaker 1: when when you play a Sunday night game on the road,
Speaker 1: I mean your coast, you're you know, three hour flight
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, and you're getting back in at
Speaker 1: five in the morning. Monday is a rest. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a sleep all day day. Yeah. So we landed
Speaker 1: right at three thirty, maybe three thirty quarter to four.
Speaker 1: So by time you get yourself get to the cards,
Speaker 1: four o'clock, say, by time you get home, everybody's at
Speaker 1: probably a half hour at least a half hour away.
Speaker 1: Now it's four thirty. Well, you don't just walk in
Speaker 1: and go to sleep, right now, they sleep in the plane.
Speaker 1: They that's not a good sleep. But it's not right, No,
Speaker 1: that's not it's not. And so you get to bed
Speaker 1: at five five, right after you got through plan and
Speaker 1: you can still feel the bruises and the bumps. Right,
Speaker 1: it's not a good sleep. Yeah. So all right, so anyway,
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Speaker 1: your monkey too? What are we talking about? He said?
Speaker 1: When he's a kid, somebody's family by him an accordion
Speaker 1: and that could get me a little little money. Well
Speaker 1: it was it was so big, I know, but you
Speaker 1: still got to have the monkey to go with it.
Speaker 1: Is that what they expected you to be your life?
Speaker 1: And I just walk around with ther you know. I
Speaker 1: at least learned to read music, which I But you
Speaker 1: can play the accordion, Oh yeah, nice to read. Well
Speaker 1: you have one, and you have to I still have it.
Speaker 1: It works, by the way, I can't play it. You
Speaker 1: need to bring it up here? What to show and tell?
Speaker 1: Everybody's got to bring something on a Friday. You got
Speaker 1: and and and I got to the point where I
Speaker 1: didn't like it, which you can't practice when you don't
Speaker 1: like something right. And I think the last time my
Speaker 1: dad whipped me, it was with the accordion odd and
Speaker 1: I couldn't get away. Accordion looks around your neck right right,
Speaker 1: goes around your shoulders and you know you got a
Speaker 1: right hand and uh, And that's what we decided. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe the accordions done hit of his future because you know,
Speaker 1: but you still have it. Yeah, yeah, I got it.
Speaker 1: It's upstairs. How much do accordions cost? I haven't come
Speaker 1: in there for you break down. I have no clue, man,
Speaker 1: I forget that. I'll fix it later. I could say, hey,
Speaker 1: I know that position, trying to get away right from
Speaker 1: a buck whipping. Yeah, that's why I was laughing. So
Speaker 1: you could be in some precarious situations trying to get
Speaker 1: away from that. I could get away from my mom
Speaker 1: and when I got old enough, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: my dad was a barber, So what you got whipped
Speaker 1: with was the barber strap, the razor strap, right, uh huh.
Speaker 1: And when she couldn't catch me, she'd throw it at me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your household sounds like mine. So it was it like
Speaker 1: the Cowboys had an accordion wrapped around him. On the
Speaker 1: last drive when the Eagles went to lip of the
Speaker 1: field against him, it sure felt like huh, then you
Speaker 1: understand that weight of accordion, right. Welcome back to the
Speaker 1: view people. So getting back to football, I was trying
Speaker 1: to we were James Washington. I saw him run routes
Speaker 1: when Dak was thrown on Sunday before the game, and
Speaker 1: he was running really well. It's like I think he's
Speaker 1: told me eight or nine weeks since he fractured the fifthness.
Speaker 1: So that was who Nate was I mean Nate, Nate
Speaker 1: texted me that was Nate says, no, no musical instruments.
Speaker 1: That's who Dak was thrown too before. Was one of them? Okay?
Speaker 1: And and then it was a couple of guys on
Speaker 1: the practice squad is it? And Brandon Smith Braylon Smith,
Speaker 1: the wide receiver in the practice squad. Uh, he was
Speaker 1: out there, um Brandon's yeah. And uh, there was a
Speaker 1: couple more guys and then some of the guys were
Speaker 1: acting like they were playing dB like uh uh to
Speaker 1: Moan Clark, he was out there. That was my next question, Well, okay,
Speaker 1: what are we What's gonna happen with the Moan Clark
Speaker 1: because this is his third week, right, I think just
Speaker 1: judging how he was moving out there, and obviously he's
Speaker 1: not going to cover right, but he's acting like it. Uh,
Speaker 1: he was moving pretty well too out there. You can't
Speaker 1: get out there messing around unless you feel good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's what Washington was saying, because, uh so he
Speaker 1: was placed on I R or was it? When? Did
Speaker 1: he did it in training camp? Right? Did they? And
Speaker 1: they couldn't put him on pup right pup? You had
Speaker 1: to be hurt ahead of time. Who well, Washington, No,
Speaker 1: he was punjured reserve or a non football now injured reserve. Okay,
Speaker 1: because it happened right at the start of uh non
Speaker 1: football was demon Clark. That's what I thought we were
Speaker 1: talking about. Who are you talking about? Washington? Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: on he's on IR Yeah. So anyway, um, I'm still
Speaker 1: thinking about you running. But the according I couldn't run,
Speaker 1: I was I went right down to the floor. That
Speaker 1: was probably in the fetal position. No, man, but he
Speaker 1: said that, you know, now it's just a matter of
Speaker 1: convincing himself that he's fine. Yeah, I think medically, you
Speaker 1: gotta make cuts, right and so uh and I said yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, you'll get a reminder. He says,
Speaker 1: so when the weather gets cold, did you. I said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: for at least several years before, you just kind of
Speaker 1: forgot about it, right. But it sounds like he's getting close.
Speaker 1: So that would be an addition to the offense. And
Speaker 1: and a guy that can go right because I mean,
Speaker 1: gallop deep threat right lamb. But as a third receiver,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, Brown seems to get open,
Speaker 1: but I don't know that he's not going to just
Speaker 1: run right by you. Yeah, because that's why I think
Speaker 1: they were using Fioco out there some because he had
Speaker 1: some get up and go so he can. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean there's important yeah down the field. And this guy
Speaker 1: is a sturdy looking receiver. Um. He did point out
Speaker 1: that he added to his collection of horses on his
Speaker 1: uh ranch. He said, they just bought say eight or
Speaker 1: nine young horses. Wow, yeah yeah uh, and he goes
Speaker 1: you just he's I don't spend my money on anything else.
Speaker 1: I buy horses, and I hope to make some money
Speaker 1: from them. They're they're they're raising uh what do you
Speaker 1: call the rope the roping rodeo guys. Well, however, they
Speaker 1: train the horses to rope uh walk. Garrison used to
Speaker 1: raise raise those but anyway, cutting maybe cutting is kind
Speaker 1: of hurting more. Uh but anyway, Uh yeah, he I
Speaker 1: think he's getting close, so it would be interesting to see.
Speaker 1: And they do right now have an open spot on
Speaker 1: the on the fifty two, So we'll see where that
Speaker 1: one goes. But we learned that in the that in
Speaker 1: the locker room along with um Jason Ferguson, they were
Speaker 1: asking him about his touchdown and he goes Jake Jake,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I said, Jason um that the move he
Speaker 1: put on the guy, He said, yeah. When I watched
Speaker 1: it on tape, they kind of told me, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't do that again. It's one of those that's good
Speaker 1: that you scored. But the ball was pretty it was
Speaker 1: out there. He was a little careless wid yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then he tried he tried to do the same
Speaker 1: move later on on the le a little bubble and
Speaker 1: what happened should have happened the first time when the
Speaker 1: guy ran right right right. But with that, we'll take
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Speaker 1: mentioned Damon Clark in the last segment, and of course
Speaker 1: he was placed on NFI non football injury List, but
Speaker 1: his designation opening the twenty one day window to return
Speaker 1: to practice and started three weeks ago today. So the
Speaker 1: twenty one days three weeks ago. I'm sorry, wait, what's today?
Speaker 1: It was two weeks two weeks, two weeks ago today, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So he's got another week till next week and then
Speaker 1: they need to decide what to do. Right, I'm going
Speaker 1: to introduce hey, guest of honor. We have a guest
Speaker 1: of honor who's just arrived here, y'all. Y'all just Toob Phillips,
Speaker 1: he's joined us. Y'll just keep talking football. We got
Speaker 1: a big game this weekend. We do have a big
Speaker 1: game this week that's the important thing. One of the
Speaker 1: reasons I was asking about Demoan Clark is the fact
Speaker 1: that the Lions feature a rookie middle linebacker in Malcolm
Speaker 1: Rodriguez out of Oklahoma State that was taking number one
Speaker 1: eighty eight overall, and I was high on him coming
Speaker 1: into the draft, but didn't know much about Deman Clark. Well,
Speaker 1: now that I've learned about Damon Clark, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys made the right pick at one six, and
Speaker 1: then they took they doubled up on Oklahoma State linebackers,
Speaker 1: taking Devin Harper five picks later than when Malcolm Rodriguez
Speaker 1: went at one ninety three. But Rob Phillips is here,
Speaker 1: and Mickey, would you like to do the introduction of
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips and what's going on with young Rob here?
Speaker 1: If I can get through it, if he can't get
Speaker 1: through it, I got through it. This morning you did.
Speaker 1: It wasn't easy. Very good. Thank you. Well. Rob's been
Speaker 1: with us off and on since two thousand and three,
Speaker 1: and he has decided that he wants to do something else,
Speaker 1: and so this again is again Yes, this is his
Speaker 1: last official day working with us here on Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot Com. Oh man, what's happening? Oh mister Walls. You know,
Speaker 1: just chance to grow, chance to take on a leadership
Speaker 1: role outside of sports. You still young. I'm still young,
Speaker 1: but I'm not I'm not super young. So if I'm
Speaker 1: going to make the move, I better make it. Um.
Speaker 1: But I mean this, I gotta think Mickey. Mickey actually
Speaker 1: gave me my first interview when I was still in
Speaker 1: college in oh three. Um, and I mentioned Derek and Nick.
Speaker 1: A lot of people have been here a long time.
Speaker 1: I appreciate all the support this job. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: spoiled by this job because you get to hang out
Speaker 1: with legends ever since Walls, Bill Jones. I mean, it's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's unlike any other job you get, so
Speaker 1: it's hard to move on to another one. But I
Speaker 1: think at this point in my life and with my family,
Speaker 1: it's a good opportunity. Um. Not easy though this is
Speaker 1: this is like family. And I said, this is like
Speaker 1: home this morning, and it is. And he's like my
Speaker 1: work dad has been for a long time. We've guys
Speaker 1: been for a long time. We've got a text from
Speaker 1: a viewer. He says, tell Mickey, don't cry. Would from
Speaker 1: from n n Nate knows me well more? Well was open?
Speaker 1: Be careful? Yeah, right now speaking a legends, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: miss Nate too. You're going to go back to the
Speaker 1: old Talking Cowboys days at Valley Ranch. That's where I
Speaker 1: knew your broadcast start. I knew I knew this was
Speaker 1: coming every seven. That was your broadcast start. Redn't it
Speaker 1: on Talking Cowboys? Yeah? Do you know where I was sitting.
Speaker 1: We're gonna bring that up, but if you'd like to
Speaker 1: bring it up. I brought it up this morning. It
Speaker 1: was a oh, we don't have anything in here. We
Speaker 1: were going to try and react it. But so what
Speaker 1: we were doing for those that maybe not remember back
Speaker 1: to two thousand and four, we came up with the
Speaker 1: Cowboys had a channel on Comcast. Yeah, and you know
Speaker 1: it was when it started. You know how many subscribers
Speaker 1: there were to the Cowboys channel? There were two my
Speaker 1: mom and dad, and we had we had to we
Speaker 1: had to facilitate the channel twenty four hours, so we
Speaker 1: had to produce con tent and then they put it
Speaker 1: on a loop. And so they came up the idea, well,
Speaker 1: we need a talk show. So Bill Jones and Mickey
Speaker 1: Spagnola started talking cowboys and we do it. What is
Speaker 1: about an hour every day Monday through Friday. Felt like
Speaker 1: three hours. Yeah, and we're on camera. We've never done
Speaker 1: anything like this, like on camera, and so the wait,
Speaker 1: this is this is predating NFL network, right right, right,
Speaker 1: this before the league started. There, it was the year
Speaker 1: before NFL network starting, And so we decided we were
Speaker 1: gonna take emails. We couldn't take calls for some reason.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take emails. So we had barely had emails then,
Speaker 1: so we had eight years after the internet was right invented.
Speaker 1: So we had Rob come in as our sidekick. Uh.
Speaker 1: He was like our Guillermo, right, and he's but he's
Speaker 1: the young guy. He's the young out of college. And
Speaker 1: he sat at a little table off to the side,
Speaker 1: so he wasn't it was a school desk. Basically, I
Speaker 1: was basically in the dark over in the corner and
Speaker 1: he wasn't on the set. He was off to the side,
Speaker 1: and they put a sport coade on me, just kind
Speaker 1: of dressed me up a little bit so I didn't
Speaker 1: look like the little kid at Thanksgiving dinner. To read
Speaker 1: the emails. He monitored to the emails and picked out
Speaker 1: the best ones and read them, and then we answered him,
Speaker 1: did you have a lot to choose from? Not many?
Speaker 1: I was just getting off the ground. Yeah, not really,
Speaker 1: not so we called it the kid's table, like a
Speaker 1: thanksgiving them and everybody didn't fit on the regular table.
Speaker 1: That was accurate, That's what it looked like it was. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Emails were from my father, Bill Senior in irving emails. Really.
Speaker 1: Rob reminded me because you started as an intern, right right.
Speaker 1: You hired me with Derek. You came, you came to
Speaker 1: training camp with US Parcels first year, Parcel's first year
Speaker 1: in San Antonio. It was a good year. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: turned it around. And then you graduated mid not mid semester,
Speaker 1: mid year, if I remember right, like you finished. No,
Speaker 1: I had another year of college before they went. They
Speaker 1: started going back to Oxnard, right, and I was still
Speaker 1: about to graduate, right, And I didn't have a job
Speaker 1: about college. So okay, I was a contract guy for
Speaker 1: a year or so and then I got hired full time.
Speaker 1: Best hire made Oh stop, No, seriously, Well I appreciate that,
Speaker 1: and I've had good mentors and you're definitely one of them,
Speaker 1: builds one of them. And I got to work, well,
Speaker 1: I got to work with Everson, I got to I
Speaker 1: got to do a podcast with Everson Walls for like
Speaker 1: a year and a half before COVID started. Right, best
Speaker 1: job ever. I mean, it's just you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's been a dream really has. So what are you
Speaker 1: doing now? I'm gonna work for a nonprofit UM helping
Speaker 1: out small businesses. UM. It's kind of a trade association
Speaker 1: to help members grow their businesses and kind of run
Speaker 1: their publications and their UM newsletters, magazine stuff like that. UM.
Speaker 1: So see why you'll miss this job. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: it's not the same. It's it's not sports. But it'll
Speaker 1: be a good opportunity to grow. So, you know, and
Speaker 1: my family has been through a lot the last couple
Speaker 1: of years, so I think being home a little bit more,
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to do that. So, UM, but
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough, and I coming up, you know,
Speaker 1: I was one of the younger guys. And then you'll
Speaker 1: always see like equipment managers and then even some of
Speaker 1: the medical physicians and the assistance that will come in,
Speaker 1: and you know, as a kid, you know, we all
Speaker 1: kind of go together and you look at this guy,
Speaker 1: just look here out of college, whoever it is. And
Speaker 1: then next thing you know, you know they have a
Speaker 1: position in the Cowboys organization, a high position in that organization,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you know, a player might retire,
Speaker 1: but then you know these guys are still there in place,
Speaker 1: and to see them develop, you know, as individuals. I
Speaker 1: always thought that was pretty cool because you kind of
Speaker 1: dismiss young guys like that, like in the in the
Speaker 1: training room or guys that work in the locker room.
Speaker 1: You just miss them a little bit and taken for granted,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, they're making decisions, they're
Speaker 1: making big decisions. So to me, it was just to
Speaker 1: math them developing as people. And it seems like that's
Speaker 1: what you're doing right now. You're developing as a person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you sir. Yeah, and trying to move up from
Speaker 1: the kids table back for us. I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: do I told the guys this morning on Talking Cowboys like,
Speaker 1: I just I'm gonna leave. It's been I think seventeen
Speaker 1: seasons off and on. I'm gonna leave and they're gonna
Speaker 1: go on a run here. I just it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be the year, and I'm gonna miss
Speaker 1: out on it. That sort I mean, when we all
Speaker 1: face that, right, that's sort of the fear. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm throwing that. Well, if that happened Jerry Wishous, he
Speaker 1: would have fired you along. I wasn't the missing link.
Speaker 1: I was the curse. Yeah, it was talking Cowboy days
Speaker 1: and by the way, Nate says, you're welcome, I'll text
Speaker 1: it back or even could you put it in the
Speaker 1: Cowboys perspective. One of the first things that we did
Speaker 1: that were very memorable for me and Rob you were
Speaker 1: a part of it too, is leading up to that
Speaker 1: two thousand and five draft when the Cowboys had two
Speaker 1: first round draft picks and taken to Marcus wear and
Speaker 1: Marcus Spears. That's really the first time we really covered
Speaker 1: the draft where we got into the nuts and bolts
Speaker 1: of it and talking to get their high school coaches
Speaker 1: on the show and stuff like that got we got
Speaker 1: a glimpse at Tony Romo's future broadcasting career. He would
Speaker 1: come on as the backup and spend an hour. I mean,
Speaker 1: can you imagine him doing that when he was the
Speaker 1: starting quarterback a few years later? But like we got
Speaker 1: an insight onto you know, his knowledge of the game,
Speaker 1: which is really cool. So he wouldn't shut up then.
Speaker 1: Not well, the best thing he wouldn't have been where
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be where he is today without that experience.
Speaker 1: Bill Jones, come on, I mean, think about it. He
Speaker 1: was the third quarterback and we used to go hang
Speaker 1: out at his locker and he explained things to us right,
Speaker 1: and we didn't need to write anything down or quote.
Speaker 1: He was just kind of explaining how things were and
Speaker 1: he was always right. And it's like, Okay, maybe this
Speaker 1: guy will be able to play because he couldn't hit
Speaker 1: the broadside of a barn rookie year. Do you have
Speaker 1: a favorite memory or a favorite player or anything that,
Speaker 1: oh Man, or something you're gonna miss the most besides Mickey?
Speaker 1: Besides Mickey, I mean arguing with me now, he was
Speaker 1: after Michael Irvin. There's no playmaker stories, right, I mean no,
Speaker 1: I miss Mike stories stories, Bill st stories. It's honestly,
Speaker 1: this sounds cheesy, but it's just the relationships. And just
Speaker 1: like I'm sure everything you felt like this when you
Speaker 1: when you retired, you missed, you missed the locker room,
Speaker 1: you missed the guys. This job is it's it's a challenge,
Speaker 1: it's fun, it's a challenge. And that it's a lot
Speaker 1: of time away from your family. So you got to
Speaker 1: build those relationships with people. And um, I had a
Speaker 1: large group at my wedding. Uh, I had a whole
Speaker 1: cowboys corner, you know, and that that that meant a lot,
Speaker 1: you know, And so you know there's something like oh
Speaker 1: my god, yeah right right right, so yeah, and there's
Speaker 1: something about the ones where your first job out of
Speaker 1: college too is uh it's spoiled you because you have
Speaker 1: more free time, okay, you you develop closer relationships with
Speaker 1: those I look back at my career and my first
Speaker 1: TV job was in Lubbock right out of college, and
Speaker 1: those four years there are probably my favorite as far
Speaker 1: as establishing relationships. And because people we get married, you
Speaker 1: have families and stuff you don't have as much free
Speaker 1: time to do stuff with people and so, but you've
Speaker 1: had the advantage to be with these same people over
Speaker 1: a two decade period. Now, Yeah, absolutely, And yeah covered
Speaker 1: a lot of great players obviously, you know, Brady James
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite guys. Jason Witt and I
Speaker 1: could just go down the list, And the best compliment
Speaker 1: I ever get from a guy like Brady that that
Speaker 1: I covered for many years and probably didn't love everything
Speaker 1: I wrote, was that you were fair, you know, And
Speaker 1: I think showing respect to players. So we would not
Speaker 1: have jobs if it wasn't for players and what they
Speaker 1: did on the field. That they're the reason we have jobs.
Speaker 1: So there's more outlets now to analyze and be critical.
Speaker 1: But I always have respect for what guys do in
Speaker 1: the field. And I always say, you don't really know,
Speaker 1: Everson knows. You don't know until you're in the locker
Speaker 1: room in January or you're on the field and you
Speaker 1: hear those pads pop to really know what guys go through.
Speaker 1: It's you got to have respect for what players do
Speaker 1: out there. Man. That's that's that's very important in this
Speaker 1: line of business. It kind along the lines of whatever
Speaker 1: since till about think about what this job has done
Speaker 1: for you in your development, devoy or you are going
Speaker 1: into what you're doing now as far as because you
Speaker 1: came in as a writer, right, Yeah, and you got
Speaker 1: to do the broadcasting stuff, developing your communication skills and everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's there's been a great advantage to uh being
Speaker 1: being having to be as versatile as you can be.
Speaker 1: And it really grew you as a person and as
Speaker 1: a employee and a leader. I introverted either I hope, So,
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope. So we're gonna find out. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna find out. And one of the one of the
Speaker 1: great things he did that probably would go unnoticed, um,
Speaker 1: he started developing kind of uh producer skills for TV programs.
Speaker 1: He was going out the cheerleader trips and doing the
Speaker 1: hour show of making the Dallas Cowboys cheerleading calendar. And
Speaker 1: then when he laughed, it fell in my laugh if
Speaker 1: I a tough job ever for game but no, And
Speaker 1: then and then documents his his work on the documentaries
Speaker 1: The Deep Blows. Uh, well, the last one was it
Speaker 1: the did you do that? Was it? Hailey or oh?
Speaker 1: His mental health mental Charles? Yeah, Charles was seen that
Speaker 1: you need to go on Dallas Cobbacks Docktown and find it.
Speaker 1: Hailey opened it up about mental illness, and uh, you
Speaker 1: know you got him to open up. But to to
Speaker 1: write those things and condense like twenty hours of interviews
Speaker 1: into forty seven minutes, it's a great skill. And Rob
Speaker 1: started doing that and that was it was it was
Speaker 1: really really good. Were you part of twenty four seven? No, sir, no, no,
Speaker 1: that wasn't That wasn't my deal. But but Mick, I
Speaker 1: mean you've helped me with that too, and build You're
Speaker 1: right about the on camera, like if you're introverted like me,
Speaker 1: this it's it's great. It's a great motivator for thousands
Speaker 1: of people to basically be in your office every day
Speaker 1: and see judging, evaluate how you're doing and what you're
Speaker 1: writing and all that stuff. So thanks the Cowboys Nation
Speaker 1: out there too. You guys are being too kind. Yeah, well, um,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't get to do what we do
Speaker 1: unless those people out there are paying attention. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you guys, And that's a kind of a big deal.
Speaker 1: But uh, we'll miss Rob. Um boy. I never had
Speaker 1: to convince him to go do something right, he'd volunteer
Speaker 1: to go do something beyond what he was supposed to
Speaker 1: be doing, and uh help me out with a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff along the way over these last ten years.
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, you're gonna be missed. When Nate said
Speaker 1: it's time to go, Nate's about to come in there
Speaker 1: about the bust here, all right, Thank you guys, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you Rob, Thanks you joining us here on this
Speaker 1: edition of Don't Mess with Mickey mix Shots. Shout at
Speaker 1: you again and go Rob, Go Rob. This has been
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