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Speaker 1: Well, hey angel fans, and welcome back to Helo Territory.

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Speaker 1: I'm Mike di Giovanna, former La Times Baseball writer and

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Speaker 1: host of the show, and joining me today is a

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Speaker 1: very special guest, one of my all time favorite guys

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Speaker 1: that cover. Gary Disar, seeing a form Rangels shortstop and

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Speaker 1: third base coach. Gary, Welcome to the show. How you

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Speaker 1: doing today? Doing well?

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Speaker 2: Mike? How are you doing? You look great? You haven't

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Speaker 2: changed at all.

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Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that. I'm not sure if the mirror

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Speaker 1: would agree with you, but you're looking pretty good too.

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Speaker 2: For what are you fifty eight? Now? Fifty eight years old?

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Speaker 2: I can't believe it's sixty three here. I can't believe

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Speaker 2: it is. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: So we got a lot to discuss today, including the

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Speaker 1: unique and extremely sweet hobby that DSAR has taken up

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Speaker 1: in retirement. But it is opening day, so we want

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Speaker 1: to open the show a little bit baseball. Gary, you

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Speaker 1: played twelve years in the big leagues. What was opening

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Speaker 1: day like for a player? You know, you spent six

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Speaker 1: weeks in that growing spring training and then all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden the lights come on. I assume it's a

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Speaker 1: little different feeling for you. It's it's definitely an adjustment.

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Speaker 2: Number one. You're you're getting up early in spring training

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Speaker 2: and you go into the ballpark early, and the games

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Speaker 2: are usually in the afternoon, so usually Opening Night or

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Speaker 2: Opening Day, whichever one it is, is the start of

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Speaker 2: the season, obviously, and it's a change in your routine.

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Speaker 2: And there is nothing like Opening Day. You know, everyone's

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Speaker 2: oh and oh, everyone has an opportunity to, you know,

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Speaker 2: get started on the right foot. You want to get

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Speaker 2: your first things out of the way. You want to

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Speaker 2: get your first hit, your first RBI, your first run,

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Speaker 2: you first assist, all those types of things. So it's

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Speaker 2: it's the start of a new season. It's it's like

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Speaker 2: no other Probably similar to being in the playoffs is

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Speaker 2: what it's like. But it's a day you never forget,

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Speaker 2: whether you're a player or a coach standing on that line,

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Speaker 2: being announced on opening Day is really really special.

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Speaker 1: You're joining us from Cape Cudd you grew up in Massachusetts.

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Speaker 1: I assume it's a little special in Fenway Park as well.

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Speaker 1: Do you, at age fifty eight, still get a little

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Speaker 1: bit of an a drone rush this time of year

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Speaker 2: I do you know now you know, not being removed

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Speaker 2: for the last two years, not really paying close attention

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Speaker 2: to it on a daily basis. I think Opening Day

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Speaker 2: the last two years, I'll have the TV on in

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Speaker 2: the house and have you know, Nessen's on or you

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Speaker 2: know whatever the opening days games are being played, and

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Speaker 2: just to have it in the background. You do get

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Speaker 2: you do get excited for it. I'm excited for the guys,

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Speaker 2: especially for the guys you know. You know, I know

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Speaker 2: Mike Trout well, so I want him to do well,

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Speaker 2: you know, as well as possible. So it's more now

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Speaker 2: after you've been on a couple of teams, it's more

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Speaker 2: like you're rooting for certain guys, players, coaches, managers, things

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Speaker 2: like that. But it's usually here it's still kind of cold,

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Speaker 2: so you hope that the guys can and their well

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Speaker 2: tanned bodies come up here and get some hits when

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Speaker 2: it's freezing cold out. Hopefully it's no snow in the

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Speaker 2: field anymore, but it's tough. It's tough up here for

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Speaker 2: to day. I remember playing UH in Anaheim and always

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Speaker 2: being curious why I would start on the road in

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Speaker 2: a in a cold area, cold place, but there's nothing

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Speaker 2: like it getting your first hit, you know, going to

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Speaker 2: Fenway Park for me as a big league player as

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Speaker 2: always special. I don't know if you remember shurm Feller.

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Speaker 2: You remember sharm Feller. Yeah, he would always announce, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he would always announce the local players. Now abouting ninth

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Speaker 2: wearing number eleven from Bill Ricker, Massachusetts, Gary Dee seen it,

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Speaker 2: so it do it one time as you came up

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Speaker 2: your first time as a big leaguer, and it was

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Speaker 2: really really special to hear him say that, that is

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Speaker 1: You're native New England or as you say, grew up

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Speaker 1: it was an opening day, but take us back to

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Speaker 1: that first game in Fenway Park. Did that have a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think number one. Getting tickets for everybody was

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Speaker 2: remember Frank Sims was our travel and secretary, and I

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Speaker 2: just went to Frank and I said, I don't know

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Speaker 2: swap tickets with the other guys, and you got to

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Speaker 2: I was like, God, don't mind it. I think I

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Speaker 2: And I just remember walking after batting practice, going into

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Speaker 1: Did you go into the green during VP or had

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Speaker 2: I would No, I had not been in there, and

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Speaker 2: I didn't know anything about signing your name in there either,

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Speaker 2: That was really special because if you walk through there,

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Speaker 2: in there twice and sign my name in there as well. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's so cool seeing the legends that have been in there,

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Speaker 2: and you just feel, you know, playing there as a visitor,

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Speaker 2: working there in twenty seventeen as a bench as a

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Speaker 2: and it was really really special to have my parents.

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Speaker 2: I did hit one home run off Tom Gordon. I

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Speaker 2: you know, as far as yelling at players to get

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Speaker 2: and I was just stunned, so thankful, appreciative of him.

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Speaker 2: Got up in my underwear and my t shirt, went outside.

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Speaker 2: And you know, after that day. The next day during

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Speaker 2: He really created a memory for me, and I'm raver grateful. Nice.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's turn our attention to the current state of

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Speaker 2: From afar as this team has struggled through straight losing seasons.

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Speaker 2: It's been disappointing and confusing at some points, you know,

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Speaker 2: as a as a staff member, with the Nationals and

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Speaker 2: you know, with the Red Sox in twenty seventeen. More

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Speaker 2: They were tough to prepare for. You talk to your

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Speaker 2: Pick the ball up, throw it the first. These guys

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Speaker 2: Make sure you get out there be on your game,

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Speaker 2: because you know, the Angels were always known for running

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Speaker 2: they steal third, They did a lot of things that

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Speaker 2: their pitching just didn't have the depth they had. Shohe

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Speaker 2: if they have so much turnover, from from the general

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Speaker 2: you're trying to preach a program to a player. You're

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Speaker 2: of being on the game and playing free, as Mike

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Speaker 2: used to always say. That was Mike's big mantra, play free,

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Speaker 1: Now Welcome back, to Halo territory. Our guest is former

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Speaker 1: So for the Angels not to call it was a

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Halo Territory with Gary DiSarcina. Gary played

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Speaker 1: twelve years with the Angels from nineteen eighty nine to

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Speaker 1: two thousand, but I want to focus on two of

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00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: the more eventful years of his career, nineteen ninety five

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Speaker 1: and nineteen ninety nine. As we all know, in nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety five that was actually my first year on the

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Speaker 1: Angels beat, and what a year it was. The Angels

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Speaker 1: had an eleven game lead in early August, and Gary,

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Speaker 1: do you star Seene of the number nine hitter in

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00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: that team, slides into second base, grabs a bag, tears

456
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Speaker 1: a ligament in his thumb and is out for six

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00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: or seven weeks. I think the Angels were fifty six

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00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: and thirty four when he got hurt, and they went

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Speaker 1: sixteen and twenty seven in his absence, and their lead

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Speaker 1: dwindled to two games by the time he got back

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Speaker 1: on September eighteenth, Gary, do you ever think about what

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Speaker 1: might have been had you stayed healthy that whole year?

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Speaker 1: That was year the only year he made the All

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Speaker 1: Star team? Yeah, obviously, yes.

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Speaker 2: I think. You know, back in those days, when you

466
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 2: slid the second base, you had to be an arm's

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00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 2: length away from the base, And I just remember a

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Speaker 2: sticking my own out harmlessly and hearing like a pencil snap,

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Speaker 2: and then looking down and going, oh shit. I went

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Speaker 2: over into the dugout, sat next to Rick Smith, trainer,

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Speaker 2: and said I have a problem. He said, what's the problem.

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Speaker 2: I lifted up my hand and my thumb was down

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Speaker 2: by my elbow, and he said, yeah, you have a problem.

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Speaker 2: You're out. Let's go. We can have surgery tomorrow. But yeah,

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00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 2: obviously do. But that actually, that was one of the

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00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: more satisfying teams I've ever played on, because everybody talks

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00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 2: about the collapse and everybody talks about how we blew

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Speaker 2: the division, and I don't think of it like that.

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00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: I think Seattle played their asses off and Seattle did

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00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 2: everything where right and they caught us. We struggled. The

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Speaker 2: one thing I could say about the injury is like

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00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 2: we struggled filling that gap. It kind of threw everybody

483
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 2: out of their roles, you know, Damien easily and Spike going.

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Speaker 2: I think we grabbed Dick Scholfield back from retirement. I

485
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 2: think he was building a porch in Missouri, threw him

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Speaker 2: in there. It just kind of it shows you what

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00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: depth matters on teams. It really does. Triple A players matter.

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Speaker 2: And I think if you spend well and you you

489
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: stockpile triple A, you have these players that can command

490
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: and fill in and not so much. You don't have

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00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 2: to come up and exceed expectation, but just hold the

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Speaker 2: fork down. And we didn't have that. And at the

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Speaker 2: same time, Seattle played really, really good baseball. But my

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Speaker 2: proudest moment was the last five days of that season.

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Speaker 2: When I think of the Angels, I think of those

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00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 2: last five days and how we had to win five

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Speaker 2: games in a row. We're playing on the West coast.

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00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,479
Speaker 2: Seattle was in Texas. They had to lose. I think

499
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Speaker 2: they were therefore they might have lost their last game

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00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: in Seattle. Yeah, they had to get swept. We had

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Speaker 2: the luxury of knowing they lost that last game, and

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Speaker 2: we were going against Todd Stalemeyer of the A's and

503
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: we had problems against Todd. Todd stuffed it big time

504
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: against us. We knew we had our work cutout for us,

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00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 2: and we beat We beat them that last day in Anaheim.

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Speaker 2: And I'll never forget the fans that waited for us

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Speaker 2: outside of the stadium because we were packed and ready

508
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 2: to go to Seattle for that one game playoff, and

509
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 2: just the fans were tremendous and I just really feel

510
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 2: so blessed and so happy to go through. They wined

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00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: up around the buses. It was just awesome. Yeah. So

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Speaker 2: I remember, I knew we yeah, and I knew we

513
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 2: had Everyone knew we had to go face Randy Johnson,

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00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 2: and god, he was a bear. It was kind of

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00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: a game for like three or four innings and then

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00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 2: the wheels so off. I think there was a throw

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Speaker 2: down the right field line, Louis.

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Speaker 1: Soho base hit, Yeah, under JT's glove and a broken

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00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: bed and yeah, Basis it was a little league home run.

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00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: And of course I'm not sure, boy, you run into

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Speaker 1: the big unit.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 1: Five, I'm not sure the current Dodger team would have

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Speaker 1: won a game up there and the Kingdom.

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Speaker 2: Remember how loud that place was and how well Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I hit second, I think I I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 2: I hit second behind Tony Phillips. Tony went up there

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Speaker 2: as usual, Tony ran up to three to two. I

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Speaker 2: think he struck out looking and he was walking back.

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Speaker 2: We're go. It was like, God, dang man, you better

531
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: get it. Call that boy's throwing that ball hard, man like.

532
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: He was on and on as we passed each other.

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Speaker 2: It was so loud. And the first I knew we

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00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: were in trouble that first pitch. And I know Mark

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00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: knows about it. Mark Trumble must know when you can

536
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: hear a ball go by you, that first fastball that

537
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: went by, maybe it went by me in a heart.

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00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: It was a dark it looked like a p and

539
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: I said, we are in trouble. But anyway, I go

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00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 2: back to those last five games with Troy personal pitch

541
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Speaker 2: in and that I'll never forget the fans waiting for

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Speaker 2: us after the game and giving us that big send off.

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Speaker 1: That was incredible, But there was no hint of the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety nine, when the Angels, a team many

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Speaker 1: some predicted to win the division, went seventy and ninety

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Speaker 1: two and finished twenty five games back in the division.

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Speaker 1: It was a brutal year when everything that could go

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00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: wrong did, starting in spring training with one Gary DiSarcina.

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Speaker 1: I think it was you were out there early and

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Speaker 1: I think you hadn't even had your official first work

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Speaker 1: out yet, and here you know the Angels, you know,

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00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: fluke injuries.

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Speaker 2: Take us back to that day in Tempe by helmet

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00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: On Tooeah. Yeah, we were hit hitting on the field,

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00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: and I'll never forget Matt Luke was taking ground balls

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Speaker 2: at first base right after we signed Mo Vaughn, which

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Speaker 2: you know mo Vaughn is gonna play every day there,

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00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 2: so I remember thinking, why is Matt Luke taking ground balls?

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00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: Took seven swings in the cage. I came out and

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Speaker 2: George Hendrick, who's the outfield coach, was hitting ground balls

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Speaker 2: to the infielders, which I thought was weird, and he

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Speaker 2: just hey, he threw the ball up too far out

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Speaker 2: in front. He reached out and he whacked my arm

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Speaker 2: and I knew right away it was broken and fell

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Speaker 2: down and sat down in the cage. George Hendrick is

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Speaker 2: one of the most respected guys in the game. Everybody

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00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: loved him. It was an accident and I knew right

568
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 2: you know, pain when you get pain. I was like,

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00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: I'm in trouble with went and was gone. I think, man,

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Speaker 2: I'm gon gone for three months, three and a half,

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Speaker 2: four months. Was that the year Mo fell down the

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00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: dugout too first game? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, ninety nine. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was a season, Mike. Going into the nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: eight we had a pretty good year. We played well,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's where the expectations came from. And

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00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: we made some signings and Moe was the big signing.

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Speaker 2: And it's amazing what expectations do to you. You know,

578
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: when you have high expectations and you're no longer that

579
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: young core team that's trying to get their footing in

580
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: the big leagues. Now You're a team that's supposed to win,

581
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: and so our expectations to what were to win started

582
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: off tough. But it starts off tough for all teams,

583
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: many teams, and I think everyone on that team felt

584
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: frustration and anger. And as the season wore on, it

585
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: just piled on and the dog days hit and it wasn't.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a pretty sight, I'll tell you that much.

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Speaker 2: I came back, I think maybe shoot in the season. Yeah,

588
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: in June and I walked into a clubhouse. I was like, oh, whoa,

589
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: I need to reassess some things. It was wasn't Disneyland,

590
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: wasn't happy thir So it kind of boiled over in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to get to that. That team

592
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: is actually only six and a half back at the

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Speaker 1: All Star break, but they lost fourteen to fifteen to

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Speaker 1: in July. Then in early August, I remember we're in

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Speaker 1: old Jacobs Field, well the old name, and I think

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Speaker 1: you blew an eight run lead, seventh inning, gave up

597
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: five and the seventh five in the eighth lost a game,

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00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: big brawl and during the brawl.

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Speaker 2: Move on standing in the dugout.

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Speaker 1: And the next day I walked into that clubhouse, and

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Speaker 1: it was I've been in clubhouses for thirty five forty years.

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00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever felt more tense clubhouse before

603
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: or after a game, and you could just feel it.

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Speaker 1: And there were some issues that day. And from what

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Speaker 1: I've been told, some guy marched into Terry Collins office

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Speaker 1: with a little demand.

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Speaker 2: Is that true? Yeah? I wouldn't. Yeah, I mean, I

608
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: like memory doesn't isn't crystal clear, but I wouldn't doubt it.

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00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 2: I might have been one of them.

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Speaker 1: If Mo's in the lineup, we're not playing the next thing.

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00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: I think resigned, Yeah, I think the culmination when he

612
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: came back home, and I think Terry resigned. But it

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00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: was a culmination of things that had gone on all

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00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: year long, and it was just losing is a bitch losing.

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00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: Losing can do crazy things to people. You know, when

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00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: you're winning, you know little things can be overlooked, but

617
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: when you're when you're losing. I think the biggest thing

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00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: reflecting on that, I give Mo a little bit of

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Speaker 2: bete for the doubt. He might have been dh and

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00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: he might have been up in the clubhouse. He might

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Speaker 2: have got ejected or he was dhing. I can't remember who. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: And it was a really good brawl. I mean it

623
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: was knuckles were being thrown, Troy thick of it. I

624
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: got stepped on and all that's the Troy drilled. I

625
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: think it was David Justice, and I remember being on

626
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: the bottom of pile with Troy Glous just going holy shit.

627
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: I just covering up and just hoping that I come

628
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: out of it with my you know, not too many stitches.

629
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Speaker 2: And then we all kind of stood up and looked

630
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: and Mo is in the dugout, Our biggest, strongest, meanest

631
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: guy was in the dugout, and I think that was

632
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: the tipping point, you know, everybody, it was the awful

633
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: one one for all. Slogan was not there, that model

634
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: was gone, and I think guys really and that might

635
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: have been Mo's first year, I believe, and the guys were,

636
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: you know, again going back to if you're going to

637
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: sign somebody long term for a lot of money, you

638
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: got to know an awful lot about him. And that

639
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: was to me, that was a shining example of whether

640
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: whether Moe was just late getting down, whether Moe didn't

641
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: know what was going on. But you know, I don't

642
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: know what happened, but I do know he wasn't out

643
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: there with us, and I think a lot of people

644
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: included myself, took exception to it, you know, until finding

645
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: out what was really going on. Yeah, you know, I'm

646
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: not going to go out and get my ass beat

647
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: while you sit in the dugout and just look and watch.

648
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: It wasn't fun.

649
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: We did get back to Anaheim the next day and

650
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: Terry Collins did step down as man. It's down as manager.

651
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: And I went back and looked at the story I

652
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: wrote that day, and I wrote the players had quote

653
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: taking turns pointing fingers at one another for being soft,

654
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: for not taking losing heart enough, for having a lackadaisic latitude,

655
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: for being unprofessional, and for putting individual goals above team goals.

656
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: And when they ran out of those complaints, they ripped

657
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: one another for airing their beefs.

658
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: In the media. Was that fair? Fair? I think? Well

659
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: that's good to know, you know, Mike. You know, Mike,

660
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: I've always respected you as a as a writer and

661
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: as a beat writer, especially because you're with us all

662
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: the time, and you know, you got to take the

663
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: good with the bad, like you didn't always rip us.

664
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: You didn't always be hard. You were always hard on

665
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: us when we were When we did good things, you

666
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: wrote good things. It's just the way of the world.

667
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: It's our business. This. If you're gonna have thin skin

668
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: and worry about what the beat writers talking to you

669
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 2: about or writing about you, then you got issues. You know,

670
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: you gonna worry about what you gotta do on the field.

671
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: And that's how you saw it. I was in the

672
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: middle of it. Yeah, correct, like you should write those things.

673
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: It was a year at the at the end of

674
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: the year where you just go, I want to go home,

675
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 2: you know, I just want to go.

676
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 1: I remember Dave Hollins, the first guy who ever heard

677
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: this term. It'd be like the last week of a

678
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: brutal season. He'd give me that side eye and he's like,

679
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: six days till we can choose our own friends.

680
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: Yea, unless have been with that year was like it was.

681
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: It was like that. It was difficult because you're with

682
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: a lot of your core guys and you're just thinking,

683
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: you know, how are we going to turn this around?

684
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: We have to somehow turn around the culture because the

685
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 2: culture was just deteriorate in front of our eyes. And

686
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: what you wrote is correct one correct when we had

687
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: to turn it around and going into that offseason, I

688
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: think you have to reflect, you really do. You have

689
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: to reflect what's important to you? You know, team about

690
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: self is that important to you. We're going to take

691
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 2: the next step. I feel like ninety eight, ninety nine

692
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: we were ready to take the next step to be

693
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 2: playoff contenders, to win a division, but we just didn't

694
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: know how to win. We just didn't know how to

695
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 2: do it. And you know, Mike Sosha came on board.

696
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: I can't remember it was two thousand and two thousand

697
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: and one, and he brought two thousand. He brought immediate legitimacy,

698
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 2: and he brought championship. Like when I think of Mike Sosher,

699
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: I think of a champion. And he came in and

700
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: instilled a different way of playing the game. He basically said,

701
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: everyone has a new slate. I don't give a shit

702
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: what happened last year. We're playing the game free. We're

703
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: going to play exciting ball, a style of ball. I

704
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: can't remember a quick story, quick story on Mike the

705
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 2: first his first camp with us. We're probably a week

706
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: into games, and I believe Tim Salmon took a three

707
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: to zero pitch and I was in the dugout and

708
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: Mike said, does anybody fucking swing three oh? On this club?

709
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: Is anybody swing three oh? And I just remember hearing.

710
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, like, no, we're not supposed to, like we

711
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: were never given that freedom. And so Mike opened us up.

712
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: He opened up to play free. He ran a great camp,

713
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 2: and that kind of like for the core of the guys.

714
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: I know, my career was kind of winding down through injuries,

715
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: but I was still around and I'm still watching Buddy Black,

716
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: Joe Men, Ron Rennicky Alfredo, all these guys were champions

717
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: and they came in and what coaches can do is

718
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: they can calm things down. They can just you know,

719
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 2: show up. We're playing today. We're going to win today's game,

720
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: and then we'll show up tomorrow. We're gonna win when

721
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: tomorrow's game. They didn't come in talking about winning a championship.

722
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 2: They just came in about let's win today's game. It's

723
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: a baseball game, let's win it. They just had to.

724
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: That crew that came in with Mike just had had

725
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: the touch, you know, And I think everybody, the core

726
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 2: young guys, Gary Anders and myself firstee, all those guys

727
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: took notice, like, all right, we want to be champions.

728
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: This is how you have to do it. These guys

729
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: have proven even though we hated the Dodgers and we

730
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: didn't like where he came from, he brought that mentality

731
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: and he freed everyone up. That's the best way to

732
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: describe it.

733
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: We're going to now change gears completely and talk about

734
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: what disa are a grandfather of how many?

735
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: Now? Three? Three? My wife has a granddaughter and tremendous were.

736
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: Talking about what he's been doing in retirement. And for

737
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: those watching on YouTube, this picture will tell a story. Gary,

738
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: Why don't you tell us what we're looking at right here?

739
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: That's bee keeping? Bee keeping one on one.

740
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: Be keeping one on one? How did you get into

741
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: be that's your wife? I assume, yeah, that's Julie? Yeah,

742
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: all right, how did I get into it?

743
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: I was coaching third base, I believe in Tempe, Arizona

744
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen. I might have been the first or

745
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: second game against the Royals and Mike Mustakas was playing third,

746
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, Alex Gordon, their left field

747
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 2: or Lorenzo came and their center fielder was sprinting at us,

748
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: and then Mike started coming near me, and I'm like,

749
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: why are these guys sprinting over here? I don't even think.

750
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: I think it was when the picture was warming up

751
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: for the inning and looked up above him and I

752
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: saw that. We saw this dark cloud and everybody scattered.

753
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 2: It was a swarm of bees. And I didn't know

754
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: a damn thing about bees. I just was scared of him.

755
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: I didn't want to get strong, went into the dugout.

756
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: We kind of separate everybody. I don't know how long

757
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 2: at the time of the break was, but the swarm

758
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: settled on the microphone behind home plate, huge swarm. They

759
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 2: called the Phoenix Fire Department. They came down and they'd

760
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 2: killed them all. They smoke, They put that foamy stuff

761
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 2: on him and killed them all. I come back out

762
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: to coach third base and Ned Yost is going ballistic

763
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: at the fire department, screaming and yelling from the dugout,

764
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: going off, you should have got a bee keeper. You

765
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 2: didn't have to kill. That's sixty thousand bees. Do you

766
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: know what those bees? Could?

767
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 3: You know?

768
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: They're so important to our agriculture. And he was red

769
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 2: like a tomato screaming. So I went over to Moose

770
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 2: and I said, Moose, what is going on with your manager?

771
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: And he goes d Sun Man. He's an outdoorsman. He

772
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: loves it. He has big acreages. He has three over

773
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: four five hundred acres in Georgia. He hunts, he has farms,

774
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: he has bee hives. And he said that all they

775
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 2: need to do is call it a beekeeper, grab one bee,

776
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 2: the queen bee, and then they all would have left.

777
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: So I was like, wow, that's his passion for it

778
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 2: just got me. I was like, what the hell, man,

779
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: this guy's really passionate about bees, which I thought was hilarious.

780
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: So the next day I just started researching him. I

781
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 2: got on the internet a little bit, started researching them,

782
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: and I just started. I got hooked. I started learning

783
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 2: about him. I was curious. I wanted to learn more.

784
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: But you can't you can't have bees. You can't be

785
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 2: a beekeeper if you're working in your way unless you

786
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: have somebody do the hives for you. So coincide with

787
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: the angels not calling me back, I said, this is

788
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: a perfect time to get to the bees. So I

789
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: was joined. I was, actually, I do want to go back.

790
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: I was in Tempe that day and I looked up

791
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: the story and I wrote that a massive swarm of

792
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: bees send players running for cover and fans in a

793
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: section near the first base Dugout made a bee line

794
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: for the concourse just before first pitch, delaying the game

795
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: for ten minutes. And here was a ned ghost quote

796
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: after the game, he said, I've never seen mass b

797
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: genocide like that. All you have to do is get

798
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: some smoke. Trust me, I live in the country. You

799
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: take some smoke out there because the queen is in

800
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: there somewhere. You get a shop back and you suck

801
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: them all in and take them out to the parking lot.

802
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: Let them go. They're just honey bees. Man, there's a

803
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: decline in honeybees. We need them. It was sad to see,

804
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 1: but they had to do what they had to do.

805
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember reading that quote, but

806
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: I assume that just his reaction on the field kind

807
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: of inspired you for this whole thing.

808
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: Huh yeah. I mean, I'm curious by nature, and I

809
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: think not knowing anything about him, and then hearing the

810
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 2: passion coming out of them and the Dugout. I can't

811
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 2: remember if I read that, but I do remember thinking

812
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: to myself, this must be worth looking into. So getting

813
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: into it, working into it. You know, it coincided with

814
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: the angels not calling back. I came home joined the

815
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 2: local bee club, which is hilarious. I just think it's

816
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: the most funniest thing. Like here I end at a

817
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: B club and taking a B class. We took a

818
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 2: six week B class. The whole time, I'm laughing. This

819
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: is crazy, sitting with like farmers from Cape Cotton a

820
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: B class, just swapping stories and learning. And then we

821
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: got three hives up and going and I actually asked

822
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: tim Me to get me Ned Yost his number connected

823
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: with Ned and mentioned to him, took some pictures and

824
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 2: some videos and mentioned to him how his passion helped

825
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: me get into it. I think we're going into year three.

826
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 2: We had some honey. We pulled our first honey last

827
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: year and we decided to just give it to family

828
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: and friends. We're not going to sell it. It's been

829
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: quite the adventure. It's a little bit's a hobby, but

830
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 2: a little bit more than a hobby. It's not fun

831
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: getting stung, But every time you get stung, it's usually

832
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 2: your fault because you're an idiot. I went out there

833
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: with flip flops one day and putting the water in

834
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: the bird bass because they drank water, which I never

835
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 2: knew bees drink a ton of water. And I had

836
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: flip flops of tank and shorts on it like a

837
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: dumb ass putting water in the bird And I looked

838
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 2: down and I had fifty bees on my feet. So

839
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: you got to be somewhat responsible. And I'll tell you

840
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: it gets get stung a couple of times. You learn,

841
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: you learn your lesson quick. But it's been awesome. It's

842
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: been it's been such a good thing for me.

843
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: We do have a little time less video of you

844
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: in action once you sort of tell us what the

845
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: process that you're doing. In this video, that is, we're

846
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: inspecting the hive. We're going we're I think on the

847
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: bottom box. There's two boxes, and the bottom boxes usually

848
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: where the queen is, so we're doing a little bit

849
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 1: of inspection.

850
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: That's my niece and my wife and myself. That can

851
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 2: be that can be fun, and it can get your

852
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: heart rate going up pretty quick when you start popping

853
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: open boxes. Because that that specific little time last video.

854
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 2: It was kind of a full inspection and you had

855
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: to go deep down into the into the hives, and

856
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: they have their own personalities. And in certain days, if

857
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 2: it's a hot day and they're not happy and you

858
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 2: start going through their their frames and start pulling pulling

859
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 2: frames out and they're having a bad day, they can

860
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: be riled up quickly. And a lot of times you

861
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: just say, you know what, I'll get you another day,

862
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: close it up, and not deal with them. Because the

863
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: crazy thing is is one of the things I didn't

864
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: know is the sound like the sound of a bunch

865
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: of bees in a hive that gets your heart rate

866
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: up quick because it sounds nasty, It sounds like you

867
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: would imagine. But when you're fully when when you have

868
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: the full uniform on like we had right there, the

869
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: only way they're really going to get you is if

870
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: you forget to zip up something or velcrow something, which

871
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: I've done, which I've got them in like I've got

872
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: stung like three or four times in my face just

873
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: forgetting to zip it up. Because again I'm part idiot,

874
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 2: So part idiot that happens to you.

875
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: Do you know how many bees? Do you know how

876
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: many bees per hive? There is roughly Well, it starts

877
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: out when you get them at the like. We'll get

878
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: them at April fifteenth. If your hives don't make it

879
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: through the win, which we lost two out of three,

880
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: so we'll get two hives. You'll get one queen and

881
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: ten thousand bees come with them. Come with her.

882
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: At the heat of the summer, roughly around August, you'll

883
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: probably have sixty five seventy thousand bees per hive. So

884
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: you can imagine our backyard was filled up with some signs,

885
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: some bes how much how much honey do they produce?

886
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: We pulled five frames from one box. A box has

887
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 2: ten frames. We pulled five frames last year. We got

888
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: forty eight pounds of honey on the frames and that's

889
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: probably about twenty eight twenty nine pounds of honey right there.

890
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: And two different types of jars. One jar is the

891
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 2: friend and is the friend and family jar, the big jar.

892
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 2: The smaller jar is the in law out law jars

893
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: that we used to give it we give away, but

894
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: now we give them the family and frames. It's all good,

895
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: it's fun. That was that was a very exciting day.

896
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: That was the first time we pulled it. And uh,

897
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 2: that's only half of one box. So you can imagine

898
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: if you have another box and a half. I mean,

899
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: you basically gotta start becoming a factory out there, and

900
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: we don't when I want that. How do you manage

901
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: the bee population? I assume you there's ways to monitor

902
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 2: their health and everything. Yeah, you got to monitor their health.

903
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: Their biggest nemesis that it's called the varomite, which is

904
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: a mite that was brought over from Europe a long

905
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 2: time ago.

906
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: You could tell I took B class, right, Oh yeah, sorry.

907
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: I gotta B minus. That's a good one min. There's

908
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: the drums, the drum roll. There's the drum roll. That

909
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 2: was actually pretty good mite. If you if you think

910
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: of a varamite as a tick. So the bees go

911
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: to the flowers, the veramites jump on the back of

912
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 2: the bee, and the bee takes the veramite back to

913
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: the hive. She doesn't know it, and varamites are extremely smart.

914
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: They'll jump off the back and they wait. They wait

915
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: until the queen lays an egg, and they'll find the

916
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: chamber where the queen lays an egg, and then they'll

917
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: jump in that chamber right before it's sealed off. And

918
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: then they eat the eat, the the baby, the baby egg,

919
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: the egg and these things, these things will destroy you know,

920
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 2: ned Yost was talking about the bee population getting crushed.

921
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: That's one of the biggest reasons they get crushed is

922
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: because every time you every time you treat them with

923
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 2: a chemical that's safe, safe for everybody. So the bees

924
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 2: can walk on it and it won't affect them. You eat,

925
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 2: they can touch their honey, it won't affect us. But

926
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: the veroa mighte has, you know, got used to a

927
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: lot of the chemicals and just keeps changing and just

928
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 2: keeps morphing, and it just destroys highs left and right.

929
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: Like it's pretty it's pretty disappointing. You go out there

930
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 2: in January or end of end of December to insulate

931
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: your hide and get them ready for the winter, and

932
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 2: you pop it open and there's you know, sixty thousand

933
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: bees down dead and that's could be the depress and

934
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: it's that arrowa might gets them, just kills them. Well,

935
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 2: what's end the show.

936
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: On an educational note, just remind all our listeners, our

937
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: viewers how important our honeybees to the environment.

938
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: Super important. You know, for all you people who live

939
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: in California who have almond trees, you know, they'll the

940
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: almond companies will it's a million dollar business. They'll ship

941
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: honeybees from Georgia up during the pollinate and season and

942
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: they will just you know, feed those trees and pollinate.

943
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 2: And I'm pretty sure two thirds of our agriculture depend

944
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 2: on them. So things you eat that you don't even

945
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: know that's been cross pollinated or helped out by the bees. Again,

946
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 2: it's a little bit more than a hobby. When you retire,

947
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: you have to or when you get close to retiring,

948
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 2: you have to get some things in your mind that

949
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 2: you want to do, because you just can't sit around

950
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: and do nothing all day. So find something that you're

951
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 2: interested in, get after it, enjoy it. And the best

952
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: part about this is the liquid gold at the end

953
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: taste so good, you know, and it's it's from your backyard,

954
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: so it's fresh as a daisy.

955
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: All right, we'll close the show with that. Gary Di Sarsena,

956
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: always a pleasure to catch you up with you. Thanks

957
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: for joining us today, Thanks for your time. Halo fans,

958
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: please like and subscribe where Halo territory. Hope you all

959
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: enjoy opening Day and Opening Day weekend, and we'll see

960
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: you next time on Halo territory