WEBVTT - 9-6: Bobby Cast Ep. 6 (Charles Esten) 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.800 Well, I got the episode six of the Bobby Cast, 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:06.600 Thank you very much, And it's our studio guest, Charles Eston, 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:11.520 musician and actor and all around happy guy. Let's welcome 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:16.520 him in with our two people clapping. Thank you for 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:18.920 that matter. By the way, I don't you know after 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:21.520 about I guess about nine months ago, I don't call 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:23.800 you Charles anymore. I call you Chip. Yeah, well that's 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:25.360 what everybody calls me. I mean when it maybe to 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:29.040 watch twos line, it was always Chip, and on the 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:30.720 show they said they chipped this, Chip that, and in 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:33.040 fact they used that on the screen. But every other 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.600 time you ever see me, my credit is Charles. But 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:38.560 everybody's calling me Chip. People think I somehow moved to 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:42.160 Nashville and I'm Charles. Now. It was never that. It wasn't. 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:44.239 This is Mike. By the way, a producer, Hey Mike, 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:48.720 I'm Charles called me Charles. Sorry. You had to walk 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:51.760 through the war zone to get here. The flood has 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:54.120 caused this place to be a disaster. No, it was. 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:56.200 It was very interesting. It was like back at this alley, 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:58.319 up through there and downstair. That felt very magical. When 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:01.200 I finally arrived at it's like you've walked through the 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:06.160 d dark woods then finally it opens. So let's start 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:08.080 with today, and I want to make a full circle 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:11.760 back all the way around to today. Okay, so let's 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:14.080 start with today because now I think it's interesting what 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:18.160 you're doing. And so you're doing something now every single Friday, 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:21.560 which means you put out a song every single Friday. 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:25.120 It's like a single every single Friday. Now, So so 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:27.440 talk about that for a second. So you decided why 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:31.440 did you want to do this? Well, you know, I 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:33.440 get to be on the show and I get to 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:37.319 play a singer song, right exactly. Yeah, and that's what 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:40.120 brought me here. But I was a singer songwriter long 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:41.640 before I ever came here, long before I was an 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:47.320 actor either. And um, I just certainly the show gets 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:49.280 to where you can meet a whole lot of people, 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:50.640 and I've been able to write with a lot of 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:52.480 people and performing a whole lot of people. Some of 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:54.840 these last four years, I've been not only writing music 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.720 but actually recording it and ended up with a whole 0:01:57.760 --> 0:01:59.920 bunch of music that when I would go out to 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.760 play shows, I would play a show fucus songs that 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:05.760 nobody had ever heard and then when I was done, 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:07.560 nobody could even go buy it, or if they liked 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:09.680 it they had there was nothing they could really do. 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:11.800 And so I always meant to put out an EP 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:14.200 or an album, because you know, that's what you're supposed 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:18.760 to do. And finally I just I don't know what 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:20.280 was holding me up. It was the very fact that 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:22.239 I wasn't doing that. It was telling me something was 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:24.440 wrong with that, that was rubbing against me and the 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.200 wrong way. Certainly, some of it is is that it's 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:29.200 not like there were all these labels, you know, O 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:31.360 Line and dynam me or calling me or anything like that, 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:33.160 just that that's just the nature of it. I have 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.400 this following in these people that love the show Nashville 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.080 and love and come see my shows, um, but I 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.880 didn't have that, and so it was like, well, am 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.880 I gonna do this? And I don't know what made 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:46.800 me think of it, but when I finally did, it 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:48.960 was just like an aha moment of Yeah, the only 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.120 reason I wouldn't do this is because nobody does it. 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:53.320 And that's not a good enough reason because what I 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:56.280 really really want is all these songs that I really 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:58.040 love and I love getting to go play. I just 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:00.799 want them out there. I mean, if anything comes of it, 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:04.960 that would be fantastic, but I'm not really chasing that 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:07.000 per se. I want to say fantastic. I mean it 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:10.360 would be unbelievably fantastic because I just wanted to get hurt. 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.480 And for now, I know very well what the mistakes 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:15.280 are about this. I know how you're stepping on your 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:18.280 own single every single week and how long it takes 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:22.160 for one to go. But this is really just inspiring 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:23.760 for me. It makes me want to write, It makes 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:25.560 me want to record. If I can do this for 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:27.840 a while, if I could do it in some insane 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.959 way for a year and somehow a song every week 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.120 for a year, if I could, I'm not Look, I'm 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.080 not gonna go, oh I need a song. Oh this 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.760 one sucks, but I need one. I'm not gonna do that. 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:40.480 I mean, you might think it sucks, but I'll never 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.000 put out one that I think sucks. They're always going 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:44.560 to mean something to me. And that's the other thing 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:45.880 is that I'm all over the map. I don't know 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:49.720 what the album would be everybody. I mean, it wouldn't 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:51.600 be cohesive. There's no A and R department or no 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:53.520 label saying this is the album and this song gets 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:55.280 off it, and this song gets on it. I also 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.520 don't think the albums are going to be a thing 0:03:57.920 --> 0:03:59.760 right in five years, Like they're not going to be 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:03.600 a thing because nobody cares. Right frankly, nobody cares about 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:05.880 records and people do buy them because they have artists. 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:10.200 And but you're saying, for example, Florida, Georgia Lina put 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:11.760 out a record this week and I think it was 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.600 number two Barbara Streis and beat it crazily like I 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.040 was less. If people don't understand how big Barbara Streis 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:18.839 it is and was and has sold over the years. 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:23.040 So she's number one, their number two. Brittany's right there too. 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:27.000 This album was like sixty thou less than the last album. 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:30.599 And it's not because this album isn't any bigger or 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.400 there any smaller. It's because people are consuming it the 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.599 same way they're not buying whole products anymore. We want 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:40.080 the songs, one to three songs, maybe because we're not 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:43.760 looking for the whole album anymore. You know, go make 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:45.960 when when when I was growing up, it was always 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.200 mixed tapes. I mean, yeah, they had albums and we 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:49.880 all had the albums, but then you would take your 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.679 albums and you would make mix tapes with the exact 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:54.400 songs you wanted on it, or even if it was 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.240 the one artist. So I'm like, here's all these singles, 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:57.840 go make your own albums out of my single I 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.320 did on the radio, like I would hit a core 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.400 pause play and then tone loqual come on and I 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:05.160 would hit un paused and then record funky called Medina, 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:06.800 and then I'll wait for that to go off, and 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:08.920 then I would do I Touch Myself by the Divinyls 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:10.359 and I would do that, and then I would do 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.000 President and as I have there is the actual cassette tape. 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.960 I bet you still have those tapes to I do. 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:17.920 I just put them all on a playlist, now do it. 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.440 So I'm gonna play this is uh, this town is ours. 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:24.360 Tell me about this song here? Well, this is actually 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.119 a song I wrote with Chris Farren and Matthew West. 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:32.000 Just wanted a song that says I like songs when 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.000 when you go play live, you probably notice yourself. When 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.640 you play live, it makes you realize what you're set needs, 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:39.880 what your show needs, um in, whether there's I need 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.080 something tempo here I I just wanted a song to 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.159 step out on stage and say we're here, you know, 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:47.800 and and the first lines really speak to me. It's 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:50.280 it's been a long time coming. It's been a hard 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.440 road running. Now all that's done and all we want 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:55.000 to do is play. Is it less that people searching 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.520 as Charles or Chip It's that's that's a very good point. 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:00.320 You probably shouldn't given me a long time. IM gonna 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.559 go it's all under Charles because wherever, wherever it's written, 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.040 it's Charles. But if they if they, if they search 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:06.880 chip est and I believe they do find it. Here 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:08.320 we go. This town is ours. I'm gonna give me 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:21.400 some of this night. Who everybody right left the good town? 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:26.599 You said so tonight We're gonna go and tell it's 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:33.839 gone night, no doubt about it. You're friending in stuff. 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:44.160 This town is so that's been part of every single Friday. Yeah, 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:46.960 that's the most recent single. And um, I tell you, 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:49.120 even listening to you play, even listening to you play 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.920 my single is a whole different ball game than hearing 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.320 you play something that Deacon sings on the area. That's 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:56.560 me performing it. But I think this is getting to 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.120 the real root of it as I was hearing that, 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.560 because you're like, well, that's that's my baby, that's my child. 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:02.240 Some people are gonna like it. Some people aren't gonna 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:05.039 like it. And by the way, the cool thing about 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.480 is if you didn't like that, guess what in like 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:11.280 three more days, there's another saying, So don't sweat it. 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.520 But the cool thing about it is is that, um, 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:18.160 even just having it out there UM is thrilling. I've 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.200 been an actor for twenty five years, so that means 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.720 for twenty five years, I go around, uh, saying what 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.040 other people tell me to say, saying it in a 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:29.360 way another guy or directs me to say it. Somebody 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.160 else edits. It's produces that they dressed me. They want 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.800 to address me. I realized that it was tricky when 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:36.920 coming here is like who am I? What do I 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.320 have to say? What is? You know what I mean? 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.239 And that's what music does, is you're trying to speak 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:44.280 from your heart. So I think I'm pinballing around to 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.240 anything that comes through me right now. And I think 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:49.280 after doing a whole bunch of this, I bet you 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.080 that I know a whole lot more who I am 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.520 and where my strengths are and what people are drawn 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.360 to the most, and then maybe uh, you know, at 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.400 some point it's I'll click into that a little bit more. 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:02.720 But right now told me so. I can say from 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.960 experience that listen, Chips are really nice. Guy like he 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:08.400 he's one of the few guys that he is as 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:10.920 nice as he seems. We were walking through the airport 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:14.240 and we've been together on a few occasions doing different things. 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.960 And when people call you Deacon, that's just hey, it's 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.920 great to see you. Thank you for It's weird that 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:28.000 people have like hey, Deacon, and you're like, that's that's me. 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.080 How are you? Let's take a picture. And I was like, man, 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:32.880 like a little bit, are you? Like? Man? I wish 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:34.680 they would call me Chip. I wish they would know 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:38.480 me as my How does that work in your brain? 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.560 You know what's funny is I don't it's interesting to 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:43.839 me hearing you say that, because it doesn't even occur 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.480 to me that I wish they called me Chip or 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.280 they called me Charles. I don't care. It brought them joy, 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:52.160 it brought them a connection. There's something about that character 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:54.520 that means something to them. Maybe they share they watch 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.520 it with their mom every week, or maybe they share 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.120 that you know, Um, there's something about the music. So 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:02.040 the like I said, maybe it said I've been doing 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.679 this a long time. So there were people that knew 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:06.120 me as Chip when I did whose line, and then 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:07.720 there were people for a long time they just didn't 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:09.559 know me. So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:11.240 in their face about how they know me. I just 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:14.800 you know, and it's all pure low. I mean, especially 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.080 when you're walking down Broadway a little too late at night, 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.760 you'll get a whole lot of teak And that's all right. 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.840 That's that's why, that's why we have season five, Bobby. 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.400 So I'm not gonna look that in the face and go, 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.720 come on, man, my name is Charles. So let's talk 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:31.040 about that for a second, because I want to go 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.440 full circle and come back to the music. So Nashville 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:38.440 is about to take season five, and it got pulled 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:40.960 from ABC and CMT and Hulu. I believe we're doing 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:42.760 it altogether now with it. Is that right? That's right 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:45.800 the first time on CMT and then Hulu has it 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.599 the very next day, I believe. So was there a 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:50.920 bit of time where you were really like Oh, I 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.400 don't know if it's gonna get picked up, Like maybe 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:55.280 I have to go and search for another job. Was 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.000 that to you nerve racking because you had set your 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:02.120 roots down here with your family. Yeah. And you, you know, 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:03.560 you were kind enough you had me on in that 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:07.000 in that interim gap where we were between um, what 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:09.320 we had lost and what we might find, what we 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:11.959 were sort of hoping to find. But again, I think 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.440 this goes back to how long I've been doing it 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.199 and how old I am, and how and maybe it's 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:20.800 just my basic faith has a lot to do with 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.280 it as well. Before I got Nashville, I've been doing 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.000 it all for a long time. And I remember having 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.360 a meeting with my agent and I said, here's my 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:31.280 problem with me as an actor. Um as I'm content. 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:35.160 I'm too content. I have this unbelievable family that I 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:38.160 just love being around. I get to do these good 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:40.640 arcs on great shows, like whether it was The Office 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:44.200 or Big Love or Enlightened, and you know, just on 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:45.880 and on. I've been able to do these things that 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:47.440 where I was never the star, and I was I 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.760 never really stepped above radar, but I was always that 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:51.720 guy that people sort of knew, and so I literally 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:53.680 said to him, my problems is that your problem with 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.120 me is that I'm content. I said, anything else more 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.240 than I have right now would be gravy. And I 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:00.360 literally said this, and I said, but don't me wrong. 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:04.280 I love gravy. Gravy is amazing, because I said, And 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:06.920 it was weird because once I said that, it was 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.000 it was literally speaking it out and sort of letting 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.520 go of the desperation to be that other thing. And 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:13.199 I had a long time to let go. Sure, when 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.000 I started out, I was gonna be you know, my 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.400 wife worked with Kevin Costner, and I remember sitting across 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:18.920 from Kevin and hanging out with him, and he could 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:20.760 not have been kinder. But in my mind I was 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:22.760 young enough to go, yeah, I could be this. I 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:26.560 got this, I could be the next that. And you know, 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:30.680 after a long time ago or not. And you understood 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:32.960 first of all that very few people are that and 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:34.880 are that anymore, and the way we are, they don't 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.360 have that. But what I'm getting back to is, so 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:41.040 when I got Nashville, that was that was you know, 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.360 that's southern gravy. That was everything I ever literally everything 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:46.360 I ever wanted in the show because it put together 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.520 the music, the writing, the guitar, acting with people like 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:53.200 Connie Britton and Hayden and just these unbelievable actors. Written 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.840 by Callie Curry t Bone Burnett. Literally, my wife used 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:57.520 to say, if you wrote down everything you ever wanted 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.200 on the show, you would have missed of this, And 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.400 she's right. So I get to do four seasons of it. 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.040 Then when it goes away, I don't slip right back 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:10.079 to desperation. Honestly, the first thing I said to was gratitude. 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.720 And I know it's probably a little boring, and you 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:15.640 want you want, like, oh my god. I went to 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:20.000 gratitude first because there was no nothing I did out 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:23.320 of desperation that got me Nashville. It was probably relaxing 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:25.880 into it that got me Nashville. So I thought, man, 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.240 And now the other thing I thought was that's a shame. 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:30.080 It's a real shame, because I knew we had new 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.280 writers coming in and I thought we had places to go, 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.079 and I thought we had more songs to do. And 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.280 then the very next thing that happened, the very next breath, 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:41.000 almost the same breath, is that the Nashville fans started 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:45.880 being heard and then it was even more gratitude. It's like, damn, 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:47.880 I don't know, man. It's one thing to lose your 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.320 show and nobody says a word and it just sort 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.520 of goes away. It's another thing to lose your show. 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:57.480 And there's this outcry and people are really upset and 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:59.520 really organizing. I mean that's the other thing. You know, 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.640 how fan is now they're not just into you. Their savvy, 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.520 they know that they don't know social media. They know 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:09.800 getting organized as signed petitions and things. And still if 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:11.640 nothing had ever come with that, that's a have of 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.040 way to go out with people that love your show 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.440 and your character going nuts. Um. And then there were 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:18.680 people on the show that I was like, oh yeah, 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.840 we're getting picked up and by somebody. And I was 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.000 never that guy, but when it happened, I was like, 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.640 that's awesome, that's really awesome. How did you get the role? 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:29.920 And were you ever in? It was at a spot 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:31.760 where you're sitting because I was reading an article by 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.520 John Krasinski and he's talking about he went to New 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:36.520 York and he was trying to make it forever and 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.040 he didn't make it at g Q, but did this 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.640 great article about how he spent three or four years 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.880 out there, and he told his mom, hamm moving back, 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:46.360 and she's like, wait a few more months, and he 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:48.840 said he walked into this room and there were like 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.400 eleven guys that looked exactly like him trying for the 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.679 role of Jim Halpert for the Office. And he was like, 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.760 there's no way, and he said as as his time 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:00.920 came up, they all went to lunch. He's like, well, 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:02.920 this is weird. So he sits there through lunch. They 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.000 come back. One of the guys sits down and he goes, hey, 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:06.200 what do you think about the show? And he goes, well, 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:07.960 to be honest with you, I just don't want to 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.880 see an American version of the greatest show of all 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:13.200 time run that show. And the guy to being like, 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:16.200 Jeff Daniels or whoever the producer or the Greg Daniels, 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:19.840 give me Jeff Daniels. Yeah, so Greg dani it was 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.320 Greg Daniels. He was like, I like your honesty. They 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.720 auditioned and he got the role right before he quit, 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.240 and so for me, I'm thinking, man, that's how that's 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.320 how these guys are auditioning. Can you talk about how 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:31.320 you auditioned or they came to you for the role 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.600 of Deacon. Sure. First of all, By the way, do 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:35.800 you ever go to YouTube and watch auditions? I do 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:40.080 sometimes watched, Yes, I have so fully and completely Jim 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.840 immediately and you get to see the other guys do 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:44.680 it too, and they're they're all fantastic. And that's my 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.480 nightmares that my bad auditions are somewhere up there out there. 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.560 But um, they're also great. But he's just so utterly Jim. 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:53.320 I don't know when I started out. I guess it 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:56.000 was the fact I didn't have a plan. B Um, 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:58.960 there's nothing else, um that I thought I'd be great at. 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:01.880 So I told you before. I had a desk job 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:04.920 and the the my boss utterally found me more than 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.000 twice with my face on the desk and slaw, what 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:12.440 did you do? Oh, honestly, I sold. I sold advertising 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:16.960 supplies for real estate companies, so like Coldwell Banker, fly 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:23.240 Swatters and E. R A. Shoe Wrens and Century. No. No. 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:24.960 In fact, I remember the guy told me that got 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:26.720 me the job. I needed something to support me while 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.960 I was first in l A and he said, this 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:30.520 is after. I want a game show. By the way, 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.080 I want a game show that that got me to 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:34.560 be able to be there for a year. But then 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.320 I need to get an actual job and so um, 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.320 he said, oh, you gotta don't tell this guy you're 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.560 an actor. He wants somebody's really a salesman that wants 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.120 to So I had to go to act. I had 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.880 to act like I really wanted to sell you know, 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.880 your a key chains for for the rest of my life. 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.760 And this I found my career. Um and and then 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:55.600 it was about eight months later that I got my 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.920 first talking bit on TV and I was gonna have 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.320 to quit and go do this this show. And that 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:02.920 was when I got my first taste of people just 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.400 love TV man. Because that boss, I was like, I'm 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.240 real sorry I wasn't honest and upfront and I'm not 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.160 gonna lie again because it felt gross. I didn't like. 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.240 I was like, um, I should have told you I'm 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.680 an actor, and um, I'm gonna After he was like, 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.200 you're good about TV, Like he could he could have 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.320 cared less that I was quitting. I was a lousy 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.000 employee anyway, but he was a thrilled I was gonna 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.440 be on TV. So anyway, Um, what show was that 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:26.960 that was a thing a long time ago on a 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.280 little cable channel called it was it was Nickelodeon, so 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:31.160 it was nick at Night and that was called on 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.200 the television, which was sort of like a Ciskel and 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.680 Ebert spoof, except it was TV shows that they would, uh, 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.080 they would make a little mock TV show like My 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.600 five Dads instead of my two dads. And and I 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.560 just had a few roles, a little small roles on it, 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:44.680 and I got to write a little bit on it. 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.080 It was it was the first thing. But um, I'd 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.480 bring it back to the Nashville. So that so I 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.720 was saying that, um, that's uh. I had been doing 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:56.680 it for so long that I was always the guy 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:58.920 I knew. I remember, I was gonna said there was 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:00.720 nothing else that I was to do. I figured it 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:02.360 was gonna take six years. I don't know where I 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.760 got that number, but I also knew that I just 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.119 keep doing it as long as I can do it. Um. 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.240 So six turned into more and turned into more, and 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:13.800 then I was always working. But there was always sort 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:17.320 of a I don't know, we're definitely have a thing 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.639 where I like to be liked, and when you're an actor, 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:21.119 that can be able to brutal because it means you're 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:22.600 always trying to be the good boy. And I can 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:24.679 remember once it occurred to me that do you know 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.040 that you take a shower and brush your hair and 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:30.800 get brand new clothes on for every single audition, and 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:33.760 like I'm going on a job interview. You know, even 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:35.879 if it was I could probably go playing a homeless 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:37.640 guy that had been in the streets for three weeks 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:39.960 and I'd go take a shower and brush my teeth 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.280 and get a hair cut. And I was just always 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.359 trying to be the best guy. And there's so little 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:47.439 in acting that you can actually take care of that. 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:49.520 I was trying to take care of every variable I 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.639 could um And it was it wasn't long before this, 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:54.480 as I just told you that other story, that I 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.719 sort of relaxed into it, like just quit trying so 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:58.840 much quick caaren so much. And and I think that 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:02.159 was really important for a like Deacon, because there's nothing 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:06.080