1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Well, I got the episode six of the Bobby Cast, 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, And it's our studio guest, Charles Eston, 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: musician and actor and all around happy guy. Let's welcome 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: him in with our two people clapping. Thank you for 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: that matter. By the way, I don't you know after 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: about I guess about nine months ago, I don't call 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: you Charles anymore. I call you Chip. Yeah, well that's 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: what everybody calls me. I mean when it maybe to 9 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: watch twos line, it was always Chip, and on the 10 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: show they said they chipped this, Chip that, and in 11 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: fact they used that on the screen. But every other 12 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: time you ever see me, my credit is Charles. But 13 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: everybody's calling me Chip. People think I somehow moved to 14 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: Nashville and I'm Charles. Now. It was never that. It wasn't. 15 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: This is Mike. By the way, a producer, Hey Mike, 16 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: I'm Charles called me Charles. Sorry. You had to walk 17 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: through the war zone to get here. The flood has 18 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: caused this place to be a disaster. No, it was. 19 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: It was very interesting. It was like back at this alley, 20 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,319 Speaker 1: up through there and downstair. That felt very magical. When 21 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: I finally arrived at it's like you've walked through the 22 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: d dark woods then finally it opens. So let's start 23 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: with today, and I want to make a full circle 24 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: back all the way around to today. Okay, so let's 25 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: start with today because now I think it's interesting what 26 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: you're doing. And so you're doing something now every single Friday, 27 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: which means you put out a song every single Friday. 28 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: It's like a single every single Friday. Now, So so 29 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: talk about that for a second. So you decided why 30 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: did you want to do this? Well, you know, I 31 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: get to be on the show and I get to 32 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: play a singer song, right exactly. Yeah, and that's what 33 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: brought me here. But I was a singer songwriter long 34 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: before I ever came here, long before I was an 35 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: actor either. And um, I just certainly the show gets 36 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: to where you can meet a whole lot of people, 37 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: and I've been able to write with a lot of 38 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: people and performing a whole lot of people. Some of 39 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: these last four years, I've been not only writing music 40 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: but actually recording it and ended up with a whole 41 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: bunch of music that when I would go out to 42 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: play shows, I would play a show fucus songs that 43 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: nobody had ever heard and then when I was done, 44 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: nobody could even go buy it, or if they liked 45 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: it they had there was nothing they could really do. 46 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: And so I always meant to put out an EP 47 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: or an album, because you know, that's what you're supposed 48 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: to do. And finally I just I don't know what 49 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: was holding me up. It was the very fact that 50 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: I wasn't doing that. It was telling me something was 51 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: wrong with that, that was rubbing against me and the 52 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: wrong way. Certainly, some of it is is that it's 53 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: not like there were all these labels, you know, O 54 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: Line and dynam me or calling me or anything like that, 55 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: just that that's just the nature of it. I have 56 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: this following in these people that love the show Nashville 57 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: and love and come see my shows, um, but I 58 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: didn't have that, and so it was like, well, am 59 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: I gonna do this? And I don't know what made 60 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: me think of it, but when I finally did, it 61 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: was just like an aha moment of Yeah, the only 62 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: reason I wouldn't do this is because nobody does it. 63 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: And that's not a good enough reason because what I 64 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: really really want is all these songs that I really 65 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: love and I love getting to go play. I just 66 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: want them out there. I mean, if anything comes of it, 67 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: that would be fantastic, but I'm not really chasing that 68 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: per se. I want to say fantastic. I mean it 69 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: would be unbelievably fantastic because I just wanted to get hurt. 70 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: And for now, I know very well what the mistakes 71 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: are about this. I know how you're stepping on your 72 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: own single every single week and how long it takes 73 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: for one to go. But this is really just inspiring 74 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: for me. It makes me want to write, It makes 75 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: me want to record. If I can do this for 76 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: a while, if I could do it in some insane 77 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: way for a year and somehow a song every week 78 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: for a year, if I could, I'm not Look, I'm 79 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: not gonna go, oh I need a song. Oh this 80 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: one sucks, but I need one. I'm not gonna do that. 81 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you might think it sucks, but I'll never 82 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: put out one that I think sucks. They're always going 83 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: to mean something to me. And that's the other thing 84 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: is that I'm all over the map. I don't know 85 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: what the album would be everybody. I mean, it wouldn't 86 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: be cohesive. There's no A and R department or no 87 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: label saying this is the album and this song gets 88 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: off it, and this song gets on it. I also 89 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: don't think the albums are going to be a thing 90 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: right in five years, Like they're not going to be 91 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: a thing because nobody cares. Right frankly, nobody cares about 92 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: records and people do buy them because they have artists. 93 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: And but you're saying, for example, Florida, Georgia Lina put 94 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: out a record this week and I think it was 95 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: number two Barbara Streis and beat it crazily like I 96 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: was less. If people don't understand how big Barbara Streis 97 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: it is and was and has sold over the years. 98 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: So she's number one, their number two. Brittany's right there too. 99 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: This album was like sixty thou less than the last album. 100 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: And it's not because this album isn't any bigger or 101 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: there any smaller. It's because people are consuming it the 102 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: same way they're not buying whole products anymore. We want 103 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: the songs, one to three songs, maybe because we're not 104 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: looking for the whole album anymore. You know, go make 105 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: when when when I was growing up, it was always 106 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: mixed tapes. I mean, yeah, they had albums and we 107 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: all had the albums, but then you would take your 108 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,679 Speaker 1: albums and you would make mix tapes with the exact 109 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: songs you wanted on it, or even if it was 110 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: the one artist. So I'm like, here's all these singles, 111 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: go make your own albums out of my single I 112 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: did on the radio, like I would hit a core 113 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: pause play and then tone loqual come on and I 114 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: would hit un paused and then record funky called Medina, 115 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: and then I'll wait for that to go off, and 116 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: then I would do I Touch Myself by the Divinyls 117 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: and I would do that, and then I would do 118 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: President and as I have there is the actual cassette tape. 119 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: I bet you still have those tapes to I do. 120 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: I just put them all on a playlist, now do it. 121 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna play this is uh, this town is ours. 122 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: Tell me about this song here? Well, this is actually 123 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,119 Speaker 1: a song I wrote with Chris Farren and Matthew West. 124 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: Just wanted a song that says I like songs when 125 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: when you go play live, you probably notice yourself. When 126 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: you play live, it makes you realize what you're set needs, 127 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: what your show needs, um in, whether there's I need 128 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: something tempo here I I just wanted a song to 129 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: step out on stage and say we're here, you know, 130 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: and and the first lines really speak to me. It's 131 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: it's been a long time coming. It's been a hard 132 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: road running. Now all that's done and all we want 133 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: to do is play. Is it less that people searching 134 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: as Charles or Chip It's that's that's a very good point. 135 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: You probably shouldn't given me a long time. IM gonna 136 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,559 Speaker 1: go it's all under Charles because wherever, wherever it's written, 137 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: it's Charles. But if they if they, if they search 138 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: chip est and I believe they do find it. Here 139 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: we go. This town is ours. I'm gonna give me 140 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: some of this night. Who everybody right left the good town? 141 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: You said so tonight We're gonna go and tell it's 142 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: gone night, no doubt about it. You're friending in stuff. 143 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: This town is so that's been part of every single Friday. Yeah, 144 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: that's the most recent single. And um, I tell you, 145 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: even listening to you play, even listening to you play 146 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: my single is a whole different ball game than hearing 147 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: you play something that Deacon sings on the area. That's 148 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: me performing it. But I think this is getting to 149 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: the real root of it as I was hearing that, 150 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: because you're like, well, that's that's my baby, that's my child. 151 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: Some people are gonna like it. Some people aren't gonna 152 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: like it. And by the way, the cool thing about 153 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: is if you didn't like that, guess what in like 154 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: three more days, there's another saying, So don't sweat it. 155 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: But the cool thing about it is is that, um, 156 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: even just having it out there UM is thrilling. I've 157 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: been an actor for twenty five years, so that means 158 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: for twenty five years, I go around, uh, saying what 159 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: other people tell me to say, saying it in a 160 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: way another guy or directs me to say it. Somebody 161 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: else edits. It's produces that they dressed me. They want 162 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: to address me. I realized that it was tricky when 163 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: coming here is like who am I? What do I 164 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: have to say? What is? You know what I mean? 165 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,239 Speaker 1: And that's what music does, is you're trying to speak 166 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: from your heart. So I think I'm pinballing around to 167 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: anything that comes through me right now. And I think 168 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: after doing a whole bunch of this, I bet you 169 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: that I know a whole lot more who I am 170 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: and where my strengths are and what people are drawn 171 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: to the most, and then maybe uh, you know, at 172 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: some point it's I'll click into that a little bit more. 173 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: But right now told me so. I can say from 174 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: experience that listen, Chips are really nice. Guy like he 175 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: he's one of the few guys that he is as 176 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: nice as he seems. We were walking through the airport 177 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: and we've been together on a few occasions doing different things. 178 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: And when people call you Deacon, that's just hey, it's 179 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: great to see you. Thank you for It's weird that 180 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: people have like hey, Deacon, and you're like, that's that's me. 181 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: How are you? Let's take a picture. And I was like, man, 182 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: like a little bit, are you? Like? Man? I wish 183 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: they would call me Chip. I wish they would know 184 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: me as my How does that work in your brain? 185 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: You know what's funny is I don't it's interesting to 186 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: me hearing you say that, because it doesn't even occur 187 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: to me that I wish they called me Chip or 188 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: they called me Charles. I don't care. It brought them joy, 189 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: it brought them a connection. There's something about that character 190 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: that means something to them. Maybe they share they watch 191 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: it with their mom every week, or maybe they share 192 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: that you know, Um, there's something about the music. So 193 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: the like I said, maybe it said I've been doing 194 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: this a long time. So there were people that knew 195 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: me as Chip when I did whose line, and then 196 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: there were people for a long time they just didn't 197 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: know me. So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get 198 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: in their face about how they know me. I just 199 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: you know, and it's all pure low. I mean, especially 200 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: when you're walking down Broadway a little too late at night, 201 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: you'll get a whole lot of teak And that's all right. 202 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: That's that's why, that's why we have season five, Bobby. 203 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna look that in the face and go, 204 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: come on, man, my name is Charles. So let's talk 205 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: about that for a second, because I want to go 206 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: full circle and come back to the music. So Nashville 207 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: is about to take season five, and it got pulled 208 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: from ABC and CMT and Hulu. I believe we're doing 209 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: it altogether now with it. Is that right? That's right 210 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: the first time on CMT and then Hulu has it 211 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,599 Speaker 1: the very next day, I believe. So was there a 212 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: bit of time where you were really like Oh, I 213 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: don't know if it's gonna get picked up, Like maybe 214 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: I have to go and search for another job. Was 215 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: that to you nerve racking because you had set your 216 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: roots down here with your family. Yeah. And you, you know, 217 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: you were kind enough you had me on in that 218 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: in that interim gap where we were between um, what 219 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: we had lost and what we might find, what we 220 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: were sort of hoping to find. But again, I think 221 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: this goes back to how long I've been doing it 222 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: and how old I am, and how and maybe it's 223 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: just my basic faith has a lot to do with 224 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: it as well. Before I got Nashville, I've been doing 225 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: it all for a long time. And I remember having 226 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: a meeting with my agent and I said, here's my 227 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: problem with me as an actor. Um as I'm content. 228 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: I'm too content. I have this unbelievable family that I 229 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: just love being around. I get to do these good 230 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: arcs on great shows, like whether it was The Office 231 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: or Big Love or Enlightened, and you know, just on 232 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: and on. I've been able to do these things that 233 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: where I was never the star, and I was I 234 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: never really stepped above radar, but I was always that 235 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: guy that people sort of knew, and so I literally 236 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: said to him, my problems is that your problem with 237 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: me is that I'm content. I said, anything else more 238 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: than I have right now would be gravy. And I 239 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: literally said this, and I said, but don't me wrong. 240 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: I love gravy. Gravy is amazing, because I said, And 241 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: it was weird because once I said that, it was 242 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: it was literally speaking it out and sort of letting 243 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: go of the desperation to be that other thing. And 244 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: I had a long time to let go. Sure, when 245 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: I started out, I was gonna be you know, my 246 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: wife worked with Kevin Costner, and I remember sitting across 247 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: from Kevin and hanging out with him, and he could 248 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: not have been kinder. But in my mind I was 249 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: young enough to go, yeah, I could be this. I 250 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: got this, I could be the next that. And you know, 251 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: after a long time ago or not. And you understood 252 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: first of all that very few people are that and 253 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: are that anymore, and the way we are, they don't 254 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: have that. But what I'm getting back to is, so 255 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: when I got Nashville, that was that was you know, 256 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: that's southern gravy. That was everything I ever literally everything 257 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: I ever wanted in the show because it put together 258 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: the music, the writing, the guitar, acting with people like 259 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: Connie Britton and Hayden and just these unbelievable actors. Written 260 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: by Callie Curry t Bone Burnett. Literally, my wife used 261 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: to say, if you wrote down everything you ever wanted 262 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: on the show, you would have missed of this, And 263 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: she's right. So I get to do four seasons of it. 264 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: Then when it goes away, I don't slip right back 265 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 1: to desperation. Honestly, the first thing I said to was gratitude. 266 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: And I know it's probably a little boring, and you 267 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: want you want, like, oh my god. I went to 268 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: gratitude first because there was no nothing I did out 269 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: of desperation that got me Nashville. It was probably relaxing 270 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: into it that got me Nashville. So I thought, man, 271 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: And now the other thing I thought was that's a shame. 272 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: It's a real shame, because I knew we had new 273 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: writers coming in and I thought we had places to go, 274 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 1: and I thought we had more songs to do. And 275 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: then the very next thing that happened, the very next breath, 276 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: almost the same breath, is that the Nashville fans started 277 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: being heard and then it was even more gratitude. It's like, damn, 278 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, man. It's one thing to lose your 279 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: show and nobody says a word and it just sort 280 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: of goes away. It's another thing to lose your show. 281 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: And there's this outcry and people are really upset and 282 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: really organizing. I mean that's the other thing. You know, 283 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: how fan is now they're not just into you. Their savvy, 284 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: they know that they don't know social media. They know 285 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: getting organized as signed petitions and things. And still if 286 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: nothing had ever come with that, that's a have of 287 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: way to go out with people that love your show 288 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: and your character going nuts. Um. And then there were 289 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: people on the show that I was like, oh yeah, 290 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: we're getting picked up and by somebody. And I was 291 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: never that guy, but when it happened, I was like, 292 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: that's awesome, that's really awesome. How did you get the role? 293 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: And were you ever in? It was at a spot 294 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: where you're sitting because I was reading an article by 295 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: John Krasinski and he's talking about he went to New 296 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: York and he was trying to make it forever and 297 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: he didn't make it at g Q, but did this 298 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: great article about how he spent three or four years 299 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: out there, and he told his mom, hamm moving back, 300 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: and she's like, wait a few more months, and he 301 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: said he walked into this room and there were like 302 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: eleven guys that looked exactly like him trying for the 303 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: role of Jim Halpert for the Office. And he was like, 304 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: there's no way, and he said as as his time 305 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: came up, they all went to lunch. He's like, well, 306 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: this is weird. So he sits there through lunch. They 307 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: come back. One of the guys sits down and he goes, hey, 308 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: what do you think about the show? And he goes, well, 309 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I just don't want to 310 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: see an American version of the greatest show of all 311 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: time run that show. And the guy to being like, 312 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: Jeff Daniels or whoever the producer or the Greg Daniels, 313 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: give me Jeff Daniels. Yeah, so Greg dani it was 314 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: Greg Daniels. He was like, I like your honesty. They 315 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: auditioned and he got the role right before he quit, 316 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: and so for me, I'm thinking, man, that's how that's 317 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: how these guys are auditioning. Can you talk about how 318 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: you auditioned or they came to you for the role 319 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: of Deacon. Sure. First of all, By the way, do 320 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: you ever go to YouTube and watch auditions? I do 321 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: sometimes watched, Yes, I have so fully and completely Jim 322 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: immediately and you get to see the other guys do 323 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: it too, and they're they're all fantastic. And that's my 324 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: nightmares that my bad auditions are somewhere up there out there. 325 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: But um, they're also great. But he's just so utterly Jim. 326 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: I don't know when I started out. I guess it 327 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: was the fact I didn't have a plan. B Um, 328 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: there's nothing else, um that I thought I'd be great at. 329 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: So I told you before. I had a desk job 330 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: and the the my boss utterally found me more than 331 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: twice with my face on the desk and slaw, what 332 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: did you do? Oh, honestly, I sold. I sold advertising 333 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: supplies for real estate companies, so like Coldwell Banker, fly 334 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: Swatters and E. R A. Shoe Wrens and Century. No. No. 335 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: In fact, I remember the guy told me that got 336 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: me the job. I needed something to support me while 337 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: I was first in l A and he said, this 338 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: is after. I want a game show. By the way, 339 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: I want a game show that that got me to 340 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: be able to be there for a year. But then 341 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: I need to get an actual job and so um, 342 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: he said, oh, you gotta don't tell this guy you're 343 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: an actor. He wants somebody's really a salesman that wants 344 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: to So I had to go to act. I had 345 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: to act like I really wanted to sell you know, 346 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: your a key chains for for the rest of my life. 347 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: And this I found my career. Um and and then 348 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: it was about eight months later that I got my 349 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: first talking bit on TV and I was gonna have 350 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: to quit and go do this this show. And that 351 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: was when I got my first taste of people just 352 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: love TV man. Because that boss, I was like, I'm 353 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: real sorry I wasn't honest and upfront and I'm not 354 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: gonna lie again because it felt gross. I didn't like. 355 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: I was like, um, I should have told you I'm 356 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: an actor, and um, I'm gonna After he was like, 357 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: you're good about TV, Like he could he could have 358 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: cared less that I was quitting. I was a lousy 359 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: employee anyway, but he was a thrilled I was gonna 360 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: be on TV. So anyway, Um, what show was that 361 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: that was a thing a long time ago on a 362 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: little cable channel called it was it was Nickelodeon, so 363 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: it was nick at Night and that was called on 364 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: the television, which was sort of like a Ciskel and 365 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: Ebert spoof, except it was TV shows that they would, uh, 366 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: they would make a little mock TV show like My 367 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: five Dads instead of my two dads. And and I 368 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: just had a few roles, a little small roles on it, 369 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: and I got to write a little bit on it. 370 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: It was it was the first thing. But um, I'd 371 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: bring it back to the Nashville. So that so I 372 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: was saying that, um, that's uh. I had been doing 373 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: it for so long that I was always the guy 374 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: I knew. I remember, I was gonna said there was 375 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: nothing else that I was to do. I figured it 376 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: was gonna take six years. I don't know where I 377 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: got that number, but I also knew that I just 378 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: keep doing it as long as I can do it. Um. 379 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: So six turned into more and turned into more, and 380 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: then I was always working. But there was always sort 381 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: of a I don't know, we're definitely have a thing 382 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: where I like to be liked, and when you're an actor, 383 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: that can be able to brutal because it means you're 384 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: always trying to be the good boy. And I can 385 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: remember once it occurred to me that do you know 386 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: that you take a shower and brush your hair and 387 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: get brand new clothes on for every single audition, and 388 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: like I'm going on a job interview. You know, even 389 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: if it was I could probably go playing a homeless 390 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: guy that had been in the streets for three weeks 391 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: and I'd go take a shower and brush my teeth 392 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: and get a hair cut. And I was just always 393 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: trying to be the best guy. And there's so little 394 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: in acting that you can actually take care of that. 395 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: I was trying to take care of every variable I 396 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: could um And it was it wasn't long before this, 397 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: as I just told you that other story, that I 398 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,719 Speaker 1: sort of relaxed into it, like just quit trying so 399 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: much quick caaren so much. And and I think that 400 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: was really important for a like Deacon, because there's nothing 401 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: needy and hepped up about Deacon. It's just sort of 402 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 1: very very chill guy that's seen it all, been there, 403 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: done it. I don't think I could have gotten the 404 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: role even three years earlier. I wouldn't have been able 405 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 1: to sit back it in it in the same way. 406 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: Were you the guy that had in mind originally or 407 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: there are a bunch of guys that you had. Nobody 408 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: had me in mind originally. It was Thank goodness, it was. 409 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: Calie Curry was casting with R. J. Cutler was the 410 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: other producer, and very strangely, Um, Jennie Backrack was the 411 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: casting director. Jennie backracks husband is one of my best 412 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: friends in the world, David Burke. David and I went 413 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: to college together. I did one play in college because 414 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: of in a band. David and I did that play together, 415 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: almost like a two man thing. So all those years 416 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: later she's casting it. Now that to anybody out there, 417 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: that sounds like, oh he's in, it's you're not. And 418 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: that's I could have gotten into that audition. So Jennie 419 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: was very kind and supportive always of me. But um, 420 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: you got it once you're in. All the casting director 421 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: doesn't get you in and support you on the way. 422 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,959 Speaker 1: You gotta earn that from the producers. So I remember 423 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: I knew who Cali crew was. I read that script 424 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh man, you know, the inside 425 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: head goes, I really want this and and you go 426 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: shut up, man, just calm down, be cool, and and 427 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: somehow that was the stronger voice. And I never went 428 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: to I really want this again. I just I just said. 429 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: What occurred to me is I'd come so close on 430 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: so many things shows you've seen, movies you've heard of 431 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: and not gotten them that I realized that. So what 432 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: I survived. You know, like when you do stand up, 433 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: they say you die on stage. Died last time. I 434 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: died many times during a great set. Yeah, but that's 435 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: the thing is you don't really die. The next morning. 436 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: You know, you're still eating breakfast, and you know, when 437 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: you get kids, they're still telling you they need new 438 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: shoes or something. So you don't die. And all those 439 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: shows I didn't get, I was like, I'm fine, I'm 440 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: still here, so you sort of let go in that 441 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: way a little bit. And by the way, maybe letting 442 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: go and maybe my lack of drive and my I'll 443 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: take all the time I want is why it took 444 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: me twenty damn years. It's very possible. I just don't 445 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: have that my so that some others have. But in 446 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: an event, so um, when I when I know I'm 447 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: going in there, Yeah, they got other people in mind, 448 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: they got names and were the only one there when 449 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: you showed up. Well, that's funny because um, I was 450 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: except as I showed up there in the waiting room 451 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: was Hayden Panachier and there were no guys are no. 452 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: Obviously she wasn't trying for the deacon role. She was not. No, no, 453 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 1: thank god, because she would have she would have beat 454 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: me out. Um. Before I went in there, I thought, 455 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: you know what I can. I've been doing this country music. 456 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: I've been writing it, I've been playing it live, I've 457 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: been doing writers rounds, and I know that all these 458 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: guys that beat me out all the time, the same guys. 459 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: You know that. Uh John was talking about that. You 460 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: see those same guys again and again in the room, 461 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: or if they weren't the room, you'd see him later 462 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: in the show. That's it's one of the hardest jobs 463 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: in the world because it's one thing to really want 464 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: a job. If you'd say, there's in the real world, 465 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: there's a job, and you really want to do everything 466 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: you can. You put your your soul, you go and 467 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: you do a meeting and you give your resume, and 468 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,959 Speaker 1: then you don't get it all right, you move on, 469 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: but which you don't have to do in the real world, 470 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: is watch somebody else go do it for twelve years 471 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: and make thirty million dollars to it. And so so 472 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: I had anyway, I've gotten around that and I and 473 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: I just I thought, you know what, I might have 474 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: a chance at this one because all those guys, I know, 475 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: not everybody can play guitar. Did you take a guitar 476 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: with you? Oh yeah, they told us to, they said, 477 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: And I was thrilled by that. I was like, oh man, 478 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: they're not going to pretend that these people are musicians 479 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: and singers. That's that's why I might have a shot 480 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: at this one. And um, so there's a couple of 481 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: things real quickly. This is a small piece of the story. 482 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: But I had just recently found a really cool little 483 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: stand from my guitar, pulled it up into nothing. You know, 484 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: sometimes the guitar stands are big, unwieldy things. So I'm 485 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: walking out the door and I go, I might as 486 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: well bring my cool new stand. And I go to 487 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: this audition and I walk into the building and this 488 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: happens again again in my career, where things that are 489 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: meant to be have meant to be written all over 490 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: them and the little hints from God that this might 491 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: be the thing. And one of those was the very 492 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: place I went to audition with Kadi and r J 493 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: and Jeanie. Was the same building and the same aim 494 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: hallway where I had shot whose line is it? Anyway 495 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: for a couple of years, and I knew that place 496 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: way didn't feel comfortable to you just because you were there. 497 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, there's a little bit of ownership. I mean, um, 498 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: years ago I auditioned to play Buddy Holly, and it 499 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: ended up that I got to audition for Buddy in 500 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 1: the very same theater where I was the house manager. 501 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 1: I swept up, I tore tickets, made coffee, and so 502 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: it was like auditioning in my living room. And this 503 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: had a little bit of that. So I walked into 504 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: that building already with that little lift in your step, 505 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: like alright, this not everybody has this wind behind them. 506 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: And then I walk in and there's Hayden panic here 507 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: and you know that's the cheerleader, say the cheerleaders saved 508 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: the world. And I know who she is. You know 509 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: clue who I am? And um, we said, oh it's 510 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: nice to meet you, shook her hand, and we all 511 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: both went back to our notes. They were seeing me first. 512 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: She was just doing something before she went in. So 513 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: I went in and um, they were very very warm 514 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: and welcoming, and there was two songs and then I 515 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: first I did a couple of scenes. Then I'm gonna 516 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: do two songs. I completely forget the order I did 517 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: the man Um I played an original. I played a 518 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 1: bleak Shelton song actually, which was what I wouldn't give, 519 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: which is what I really liked, and I thought it 520 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: was right for Deacon and Reino. Um, did you know 521 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: rain I was gonna be Connie at the time in 522 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: the first audition, I don't think. So that's a character 523 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: in your mind that you were thinking too or about 524 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: or with Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and and it jumped off 525 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: the page. Who that character wasn't who these two people 526 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: were in the history they had. By the way you 527 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: ask questions, I don't know when I went. When I 528 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: read your autobiography or when I read other people's autobiographies, 529 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, I would have no shot at writing that 530 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: because I have the worst memory, So I would How 531 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: do you know all that? Because you're gonna get sued 532 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: if it's not right you better freaking get it right. No, 533 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: I'm not. That's start you'll start remembering once you decided, well, 534 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: I gotta write a book. You got to get sued 535 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: if I'm not right. I could see that You're like. 536 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: It was kind of like, um no, I don't know. Yeah, 537 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: I guess I don't think I didn't know at that point, 538 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 1: because I would have made me a little nervous for 539 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: for for for to be honest. So I sit down 540 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: and I think what I did is I played the 541 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: songs first, and then um, I remember, I pulled up 542 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: my little stand and I put my guitar in it, 543 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: and I went over to do the scenes. And I 544 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: knew this guy. I knew this guy Deacon. I don't 545 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: know why. I just got him and I could sit 546 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: back in him and and it came very easy. And 547 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: the thing that I know what I was talking about earlier, 548 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: from this long career, not getting these things I wanted. 549 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: Sometimes there's roles that are so good that you might 550 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: end up only getting to play this guy once, and 551 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: that's at the audition. So what I would always say 552 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: is I'm gonna do it my way. I get one 553 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: shot to play this guy right now in this moment, 554 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: I'm the one playing Deacon, and this is how and 555 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: instead of what you know, you always talking about aiming 556 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: for what they want, instead of doing what you are 557 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: going to be great at or what you what you want. 558 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: I wouldn't know what they wanted Deacon to look like. 559 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: There was a time. That's all I tried to guess 560 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: that you didn't chase what you thought they wanted. You 561 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: did what you felt was you because honestly, you reach 562 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: us certain point where I was like, you might think 563 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: you want that, You're wrong. You want this. You finished 564 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: the audition, you you play, you sing, you do your scene. 565 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: How long until you actually know from that point that 566 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: you have their old Deacon. Let me take a quick shortcut. 567 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: As I'm walking out of the room, I don't know 568 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: if I told you this before, but as I opened 569 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: the door, there's Hayden Panet chair by the door, like listening, 570 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: like like comedically, like I love Lucy or something. He 571 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: almost hit her in the head with the door and 572 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: and I walk out and she starts clapping and saying 573 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: because she heard me singing and she liked the songs, 574 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: and she was I'm like, what, who I've never I 575 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: said can you come to all my auditions because this 576 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: is fantastic and and so I'm acting cool and she 577 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: now we really meet, and I said, as I'm ready 578 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 1: to leave, I I'm just sort of blowing small guy. Well, 579 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: I'll see you on the set. That's what I said 580 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: to her totally, and I was nowhere near getting this job. 581 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, finally when we're on the set 582 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: one day, she said to see on the set, and um, 583 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: but so no, I go home, and I knew it 584 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: went really well. Um, Kellie Curry is a very enthusiastic 585 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: heart on her sleeve person and um, and she also 586 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: doesn't suffer fulls gladly, She's very intelligent, very and I 587 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: could tell there was a connection towards what I was doing. 588 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: I also know how far that I'm not a name, 589 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: and so that they generally networks you want to give 590 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: shows to name, especially a bang on lead like this. 591 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: I've been doing it long enough to know a bang 592 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: on lead and Deacon is exactly that. Um, he gets 593 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: to hurt, he gets to feel, he gets to fail, 594 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: he gets to win. And that was all in the lance, 595 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: so I knew. So yeah, it took a while and 596 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: then I had to go in again, and then I 597 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: had to go in another time, and uh, not a 598 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 1: lot of people know this, but at one point they 599 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: made an offer to somebody. They called me, my agent calling, well, 600 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: they made an offer and I was like, oh, you're commune, 601 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: they said who? And the guy they said was somebody 602 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: I knew personally and somebody had grown up with actually 603 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: and sort of not followed out to l A, but 604 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: somewhere where somebody where. I was like, I know that guy. 605 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: I know those guys. Maybe it's not just crazy easiness. 606 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: If you can do it, maybe I can do it. 607 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: So they offered the role to him and he said no, 608 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: Well I didn't know that the first day, and then 609 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: the second day I keep reading the trades right, and 610 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: I thought he'd be great, he'd be fantastic, And I 611 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: was a little heartbroken. There's more than a little heartbroken. Finally, 612 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: after a week, I'm going, what the hell and my 613 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: agent calls up and goes, um, yeah, your friend passed, 614 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: Like what, they go, they want to see you again. 615 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: Even after that, there was another two auditions, including a 616 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: stre screen test again for ABC. I'm telling my family 617 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: we would drive right by the ABC building in Burbank 618 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: every day I was taking my girls to soccer, and 619 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: every single day we'd drive by it at least twice 620 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: there in back yeah yeah, well yeah, but I was 621 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: on the one four yeah right, but right, well, Baba 622 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: drives NBC. It's right before, that's right next to it. Yeah. 623 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: And and every single time we'd walk drive by, the 624 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: whole car would say please, ABC, I'm talking. We'd be 625 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: in the middle of a discussion. We'd be going, I 626 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: don't want to when we had chicken last night, let's 627 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: get hit us ABC Hamburgers and and and then uh 628 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: and so I waited and I waited, and finally, um, 629 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: I ended up getting it. And real funny is a 630 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: couple of weeks after I shot the pilot, I finally 631 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: gave my friend a call and said, I didn't really know. 632 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: You know, they don't make Hallmark cards for this situation, 633 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: but thank you for passing on Deacon. And by the way, 634 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: he had personal reasons. It wasn't that he didn't love 635 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: the role. He just there was something he had, He 636 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: had other things. He was. He more aheaded than I was. 637 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: And he started laughing. He said, I was so glad 638 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: when I heard you got it. I was just you know, 639 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: meant to be and it still blows my mind. I'm 640 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: not gonna ask you who it was, but we what 641 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: do we know him? If he said his name? Yeah, yeah, 642 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: yeah cool. I'll leave it right there. Uh so, okay, 643 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: let's back off in Nashville for a second. Go backwards. 644 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: So my two favorite shows are The British Office in 645 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: the American Office. Those are my two favorite shows. Like 646 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: I love them both. I just I just loved them. 647 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: And so one of my top favorite episode and even 648 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: it's you You're in like whenever they go to the 649 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: convention and working with those guys and working with because 650 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: you're on the office, working with Jim and Michael Scott. 651 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: Michael called their characters than Steve Carrell like talk about that, 652 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: like you get such your role was so funny as 653 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: a straight guy. So they called and said, hey, we 654 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: want you to do this role in the office. You 655 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: walk in. It's a single camera shoot. Had you been 656 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: a part of a single camera shoot before where there's 657 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: no laughter while doing a comedy? I actually had And 658 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: let me back up, Will said, they didn't just call 659 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: and offer me this thing. This is a very interesting 660 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: story on how I got the Office, and by the way, 661 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: the Office opened me up for a whole bunch of 662 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: other things. If you went back and look at my resume, 663 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: you would see that The Office was a point, was 664 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: sort of a sea change. And the reason for that 665 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: is because it was an industry show. It was beloved, 666 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: it was intelligent, it was done right. So in a sense, 667 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: when you get on a show like that, it vouches 668 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: for you for other shows. The it's a shortcut. They go, oh, 669 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: there was the guy in the office, and they probably 670 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: watched it too, so that gets you another level up. 671 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: And that started opening up things on HBO, and all 672 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: of those things were one of the reasons where they said, yeah, 673 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: he can do that in Nashville. So it all goes together. 674 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: But the funny story about I got that one, let 675 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: me tell you. I was on a single camera comedy 676 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: pilot um that got It got shot for NBC, and 677 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: in that show, it was a complete cattle call for 678 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: these two characters, and I got completely arbitrarily hooked up 679 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: with Rain Wilson. This is years before the years before 680 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: The Office, totally randomly me and him. These two characters 681 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: are androids who solve crimes and this pilot called The Expendables. 682 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: It wasn't even a pilot that it was a script 683 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: and they would just put you together. And we're reading 684 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: the script back and forth, and we just started improvising 685 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: and messing around and screwing around, and immediately I saw 686 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: this guy was brilliant and hilarious and very kind, and 687 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: so we just we just clicked and we were having 688 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: a ball with it. You know. It was so silly 689 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: and goofy, and so we went and then we we 690 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: ended up getting it, and more than that, then we 691 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: end up getting Now we're gonna have a it's all, 692 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: it's the whole show is cast. Now we go to 693 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: NBC and it's a big table reading. This is where 694 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: they decided they're going to even make a pilot of it. 695 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: And we're sitting at this long corporate table and he 696 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: and I just sit next to each utterly riffing on 697 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: these two idiot um characters who are androids that soft crimes. 698 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: And by the way of the show, we were naked, 699 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: and you know, just because we were androids, and they 700 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: were just strategically shot. So we end up because it 701 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: went so well, we were so loose and that we're 702 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: making each other laugh at that table. Read ends up 703 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: getting going to pilot. So we shoot a pilot for 704 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: this thing, and um, it's such a tricky line to 705 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: walk and it ended up not really work and we 706 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: didn't get picked up. But there's some very funny moments 707 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: back and forth with he and I, and I knew 708 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: he was destined for great and big stuff and an 709 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: even I get this audition, and when I was a 710 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: huge British office fan myself unbelievable believe we talk about 711 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: sea change. I've never seen anything like that, when anything 712 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: could be allowed to be that quiet and that boring 713 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: for that long, and that uncomfortable. Uncomfortable is the key. 714 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's the most uncomfortably awesome show I've ever 715 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: seen in my life. It's cringe e it's you wouldn't 716 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: even share it with some people, like you gotta see 717 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: this most amazing and you'd sit there for a couple 718 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: of minutes ago they got it. They're gonna have to 719 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: get this, idiots like it's like, you gotta see this 720 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: video of paint drying hilarious. Yeah yeah, yeah, and they're 721 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: just going I just see paint drying. So and then 722 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: I was a huge fan and I saw it and 723 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: I was like, man, there, I can't even believe they're 724 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: gonna try that. I know a bunch of shows that 725 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: they've done it this way. But and then I saw 726 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: Steve Carrell was going to be the lead, and then 727 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: I saw Rain was and I was like, I don't know, 728 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: they might be able to do this. So immediately I 729 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: saw the first two, I go, I think they got 730 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: a shot at this. They're finding their own voice. I 731 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: called my agent type, I go, you know, on the 732 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: British one, there's the good boss, the guy that has 733 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: this stuff to gather and everybody Michael wishes he was, 734 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: I bet they end up doing that. When they do, 735 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: you gotta get me in there. And so they ended 736 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: up doing that in season three or at the very 737 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: end of season two actually, and he got me in there, 738 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: and I wanted to meet with them, and uh we 739 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and go, so I hear you're a 740 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: friend of Rains. Because Rain must have said something nice 741 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: that I was coming in. I saihow let him know 742 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: or maybe saw him as I walked in, and I go, 743 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: I said, yeah, not only that, Rain and I were 744 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: in a pilot together where we played androids that solved crimes, 745 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: and they're they're just dying laughing. You know, you're kidding myself. 746 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: And not only that, I have a DVD of that 747 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: pilot and they're they're like, no, you don't saying. And 748 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: not only that, if you give me this job. On 749 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: the first day of shooting, I will show up and 750 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: put that DVD in here. And I could just see 751 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: all their eyes light up. And they called before I 752 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: got to my car on the parking lot, and I'm 753 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,719 Speaker 1: I'm certain that's how I got that. There was a 754 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: lot of great guys in the town, but they wanted 755 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: that DVD, so they got their DVD and I got 756 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: to play this character, and you're right, he was. He 757 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: was a straight man. And that was another real lesson 758 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: because that showed what it's like to be on something great. 759 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: I had been on a lot of cool things, but 760 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: this was really very, very special. And what it occurred 761 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: to me was that just being on it, people thought 762 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: I was funnier, because if you look, I don't have 763 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: that many jokes. I don't I didn't really. I had 764 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: to really work a lot harder at being funny on 765 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: things that weren't half as good so people would see 766 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 1: you on and they go, oh my god, you're so funny. 767 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: But here's the thing, though, when you say that, like 768 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: I look at that and I and I disagree and 769 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: go your timing of not being funny was equally as funny, 770 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: because to me, humor is not just about saying something funny. 771 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: It's also about sitting back and letting funny happy, letting 772 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: funny happen, and then hopping back in at a point 773 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: even if you're not funny, knowing when that point to 774 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: hop back in was know what, You're right, You're you're right, 775 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: You're right. I was very funny, you were. I thought 776 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: it was amazing, Like it's really one of my favorite episodes. 777 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: I mean, and then Michael Scotten's up in him by 778 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 1: himself having the party. Oh that's one of my favorite 779 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 1: lines is Jim and I do uh an inside joke? 780 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: He goes, huh part of joke. Not a fan of 781 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: that show. That's so crazy. Yeah, did you crack a 782 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: lot during that? Well, you know what, I was actually 783 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,399 Speaker 1: pretty good at maintaining for the joke itself. But then 784 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: when when normally you would say cut because we're out 785 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: a dialogue that you'd be a fool to cut on 786 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: Steve or on Gen or any of them. So that's 787 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 1: when they would try a couple of other things. And 788 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,959 Speaker 1: and those are the ones that sometimes you would you'd 789 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: lose it a little bit. But look, I was just 790 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, I was uncool when I went 791 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: to the office. I had been doing this a long time, 792 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: but I wasn't cool enough to be cool. I was 793 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: too much of a fan. It was like I'd want 794 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: a damn radio contest to go be on a show 795 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: that you love. Um. I was doing my best to 796 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: be good, but I have to admit, those are some 797 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,720 Speaker 1: cool kids to be hanging around. It's like a high school. 798 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: And in retrospect there probably yeah, he was a little 799 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: bit uh you know, excited to be there. I bet 800 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: they would, but they couldn't have been kinder. I spent 801 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: you know, most of the time with with John, with 802 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: Ed helms Um, and we had a We had a 803 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: great time. It was one of the hardest lines I've 804 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: ever said in my life was when I'm offered the 805 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 1: job to take over it, uh you know, the Scranton branch, 806 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: and I said, well, actually, I have agreed to a 807 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: job that I'll be taking at Staples. And I remember 808 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: first reading that in my script, the line that basically 809 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: kills you off the show, and I was like, Ah, 810 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: what would happen if you just refused to say that? 811 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: What if I had just said, well, thank you very much, 812 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: accept your The producer like, oh damn, So let's let's 813 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: go back for a second to whose line, because I 814 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: watched whose line? And you know, I remember, uh, all 815 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: of you guys like Wayne and drewid hosted and Wayne 816 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: and I mean, you can go through the whole cast. 817 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 1: But I just didn't know how that was shot, Like 818 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 1: would you guys just call up a nail at every 819 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: time half hour? And no? No? That See, that's the 820 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: thing is the level of First of all it was 821 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: people always wonder how could it be so good at it? 822 00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: It was perfect. I was like, you guys are improving 823 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,399 Speaker 1: in are nailing every second every joe. So everybody would 824 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: think with improv that it wasn't really improvised. They were 825 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: always sure that we were given the topic, are the topic. 826 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: We were never given the topics. In fact, I contend 827 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 1: that it would be way harder to act like you 828 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: were thinking of something off the top of your head 829 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 1: than to actually think of something off the topic. And 830 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: something else I'll say is if you go back and 831 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: look at the transcripts, that's not like something you would 832 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 1: write if you're gonna You know, Greg always talks about 833 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 1: somebody heard he was on an improv show and watch 834 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: and said, why not prepare something funny? It was was 835 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 1: that guy's take you you can't really do that. Now. 836 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: What the trick was that nobody really thought of was 837 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: they just wouldn't air the crap. They wouldn't, you know, say, 838 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: you would take for a long period of time for 839 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,479 Speaker 1: whose line. Yeah, you would take like maybe three hours, 840 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: maybe three and a half hours. Sometimes I think it 841 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: would be like that. I don't know, because you never 842 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,439 Speaker 1: you never came down. You would even you would even 843 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: stop during commercial breaks. They would they would put the 844 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: commercial break in there. But while they were doing that, 845 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: it wasn't like we were towling down and just drinking water. 846 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: We had to keep that audience going. So we keep 847 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 1: giving each other crap or just you know, giving Drew 848 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: a hard time, or the director would come out and 849 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 1: Ryan would throw something at him. And so it was 850 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 1: like Colin who was on the show when I was on. 851 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: I was, I was one of the fourth chair guys. 852 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: It was Um, Wayne Brady and Ryan Styles and Colin 853 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: Mockery and then the fourth chair would rotate and between 854 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: a bunch of different, you know, great people, and it 855 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: was it was great to be on that. But that 856 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 1: meant I remember when I got I was on the 857 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: British one, and then I wasn't on for a little bit. 858 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: Who hosted the British Clive Anderson who was the British one, 859 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: he goes, you know, it was it was just a 860 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: little bit of a different ball game. In fact, that 861 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,439 Speaker 1: started off as extremely British. It was a radio show. 862 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,959 Speaker 1: Bobby started off in in England as a radio show. 863 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: So they would improvise just like we are sitting at 864 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: mix and create these things. And then they decided to 865 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: make a TV show out of it, and still very 866 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,959 Speaker 1: British and still in that more British way, was very 867 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: cerebral and very verbal, so they would almost stand right 868 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: where they were. That's why the stage was probably so small. Um, 869 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,240 Speaker 1: and then you started hiring Americans like Ryan and Colin 870 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,280 Speaker 1: who would look like a velociraptor walking across this strager 871 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: or I remember Ryance was just a baby deer being born, 872 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: and that some of that way more physical stuff. And 873 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: then the Americans, you know, the British invasion came this way, 874 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: the American invasion of whose line went that way, and 875 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: then the whole show came here to the States. And 876 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 1: when it came back to the States, it was not 877 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 1: lost on me that here's these three guys that are 878 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,720 Speaker 1: on every week. Andrew and and these guys my friends. 879 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 1: Ryan was my biggest supporter. He told those producers all 880 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 1: the time, you gotta get chipped on, and that meant 881 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 1: a lot to me. But I knew that when I 882 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: got on the show, it wasn't just a matter of 883 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: being funny. I had seen other people as in that 884 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,800 Speaker 1: guest role, and I noticed that the ones that worked 885 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,280 Speaker 1: didn't defer, didn't act like a guest at the party. 886 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: They acted like they belonged there as much as anybody. 887 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: And the way to do that is to throw a 888 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: few elbows and smack somebody else comedically in the face, 889 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 1: because it's like walking into your house. I would defer 890 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 1: a little bit, and you know, but um, I realized 891 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: that that didn't work there, So you just had The 892 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: first job was to act like you belonged, and then 893 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: once you act like you belong now you're just improvising, 894 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 1: and they want you to do that too, because it's 895 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,959 Speaker 1: just like tennis with people that are putting the ball 896 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,800 Speaker 1: right back on your racket, and they want you to 897 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,359 Speaker 1: put it right back at them, very very hard. So 898 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 1: you know, it was just a matter of at first 899 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 1: of all, they're the funniest guys. I know, which you 900 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 1: feel because I have Pierre's friends, very close friends that 901 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: I think are so much better than me at what 902 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: I do, and we do the same thing. Like one 903 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: of my buddies has the biggest hip hoptional in the 904 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: country is named Charlemagne. I have a friend named Kennedy 905 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,839 Speaker 1: who was on MTV uh she does Fox. She one 906 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 1: of my best friends. She's so smart, and we will 907 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: go to dinners together. It's like our little like group. 908 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 1: It's our group. We talk all we stay close, we confide, 909 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 1: we go to advice. But I feel like there's so 910 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 1: much brighter and quicker and funny that I just felt 911 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,240 Speaker 1: so much pressure and I want to be as good 912 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: as they are. At the same time, I just respect 913 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 1: them so much. Did you feel that with those guys like, Wow, 914 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: these guys are so good. I've got to get to 915 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 1: that level, or do you just feel like I'm part 916 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: of the group. It was. It was when I was 917 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 1: in England that I felt I didn't know what the 918 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: group was and I didn't know how good they were 919 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: when I first got it, so that was not an issue. 920 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: And then when I was I was like, oh, man, 921 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: they're bringing it, so I gotta bring it. And then 922 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: I did, and then I started seeing how good that 923 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: people I was with were, and and it made me 924 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: think about them more. And when I started thinking about it, 925 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: I got less good and so I fell off for 926 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: a while. But when I got back on, I didn't 927 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,919 Speaker 1: go to that place again. Now, I have to admit, 928 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 1: and the reason is, in any given moment, uh, what 929 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: you don't have is you're rarely on stage with those 930 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: peers of yours I had. I would sit in four chairs, 931 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: we'd all stepped to the end of the line, and 932 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: they would tell a joke and it would kill and 933 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 1: somebody else to do another joke, and then I would 934 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 1: step forward, and every once in a while I would 935 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,759 Speaker 1: get the biggest laugh in any given moment, any of them, 936 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: any of us can kill. And we would realize that 937 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,840 Speaker 1: on tour. We would tour with the larger groups, like 938 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: ten of us would go out in Las Vegas every 939 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,400 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, Drew would bring like ten people to the 940 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,799 Speaker 1: MGM Grand and at the beginning of the night they 941 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: would give all the applause the last people out, where 942 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 1: the people that everybody knew the most. You would end 943 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,240 Speaker 1: with the biggest names, and the applause would gradually grow 944 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 1: so that by the very and the very people they 945 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 1: knew the most got the most applause. What we what 946 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: we always notice is at the end of the show, 947 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: the applause was based on what kind of show you had, 948 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 1: so it would it could totally change up. The first 949 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,800 Speaker 1: guy introduced might have just been on fire and he 950 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 1: would get the biggest and people go crazy at the end. 951 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: And so we did know that on any given night, 952 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,320 Speaker 1: anybody can can win the day. And and honestly, it's funny, 953 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 1: it's it's not you would think it would be way 954 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: more competitive. It's not. It's thrilling when somebody across from 955 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,360 Speaker 1: you says something hilarious and it's not competitive. With my friends, 956 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 1: it's like, man, I just want to be that good. 957 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 1: Oh I look at them and go there that I 958 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 1: don't know if I can ever be that good? But 959 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,280 Speaker 1: aren't they completely good in different ways? For some reason 960 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 1: they come to me too and go, hey, can you 961 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: help me with this? And I'm just blown away that 962 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,799 Speaker 1: they're like, why do you need my help with thing? Well, 963 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: the thing is with comedy and when this thing we're doing, 964 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: and you guys too, you're different things in the stew, 965 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: like Ryan's a carrot and and you know Collins a 966 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,359 Speaker 1: potato and I mean that literally for both of them. No, no, no, 967 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,879 Speaker 1: I'm like, but but so I would never say how 968 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,840 Speaker 1: can I be more potato e? Or how can I 969 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,439 Speaker 1: be more carroty? I know that I had a different role, 970 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,839 Speaker 1: and it's funny. Once you start to understand what your 971 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,879 Speaker 1: role is, then you get to really be that thing. 972 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I forget who said that somebody's famous and 973 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 1: learn what you are then go be that um And 974 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: we ended up getting to do that, and then they 975 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: rely on who your characters. Drew, for example, would always 976 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 1: know he was the guy that would be the butt 977 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 1: of the joke, and and he played that. That's not 978 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 1: always an easy play to character to play because you 979 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,319 Speaker 1: can act to hurt in an audience is like oh 980 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 1: or you or just that, you know. So everybody had 981 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,239 Speaker 1: their role and they made me honest to god, that's 982 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,399 Speaker 1: probably the real answers. Those friends of mine. They made 983 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: me feel funny. So I have a clip hered of 984 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: how down from whose? Line? So? What does it? Mike 985 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: set me up here? Just the music. That was my 986 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,840 Speaker 1: favorite bit on the show. So what was who? What was? 987 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,840 Speaker 1: Hold down? Holdown? They start playing this and you just 988 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,839 Speaker 1: had to make up a line. And if you went first, 989 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,839 Speaker 1: it was the hardest because you had no time, right, 990 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,400 Speaker 1: you had to just think of it quick, and you 991 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,319 Speaker 1: usually first, right, I was first, Yeah, I'm um. So 992 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: it was tricky, although sometimes I liked first the most 993 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 1: because you've got a song you had to continue on. Yeah, 994 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,840 Speaker 1: I get big on I'm sitting here with Bobby and 995 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: we're sitting in the chair, you know, and and and 996 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,800 Speaker 1: then make it comes the woods. I see a Harry Bear. 997 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 1: He's gonna chase me. Now, he's gonna be a blaster 998 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,399 Speaker 1: and I can't run that fast, but Bobby can run 999 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: faster or something something like that. And uh, they weren't 1000 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 1: all that good, um, you know. But the thing was 1001 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 1: you would get to gather your thoughts as quickly as 1002 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,200 Speaker 1: you could. And the good thing about going first is 1003 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 1: when you went second, what would happen all the time 1004 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,200 Speaker 1: is that person in first part would steal your best 1005 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,839 Speaker 1: rhyme with steal your best joke and so um god, 1006 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 1: people loved how down um? And those are some of 1007 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,800 Speaker 1: my favorite things. Two and it's funny real quickly. No, 1008 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: you didn't even ask. One of the funny things that 1009 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 1: people that try music improv and something even like howdown is, 1010 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,880 Speaker 1: they forget the concept of a punch line. So that 1011 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 1: if if you're doing a song um about about um 1012 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 1: this podcast, the line is UM gonna be um the 1013 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 1: last the punch line would be podcast alright, so, or 1014 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,160 Speaker 1: maybe I'll make it Bobby Bones, um zona. But I'm 1015 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,360 Speaker 1: not here alone. I'm sitting in my chair beside Bobby 1016 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,879 Speaker 1: Bones and beside Bobby Bones. Right. So what people would 1017 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 1: do is they mess up in what every amateur does 1018 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 1: is they go, um, I'm here with Bobby Bones, but 1019 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,600 Speaker 1: that's okay because I am not alone. And it's like, wait, 1020 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: that didn't pay off. That that was the rhyme that 1021 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,799 Speaker 1: you wanted to set up. The thing the feeling of 1022 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 1: resolution when you say the thing that clinics um. You know, 1023 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: you get what I mean. It's not it's not like 1024 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,400 Speaker 1: your name is some huge punch line, but it's the 1025 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,920 Speaker 1: It's the more satisfying way to do it. Otherwise you 1026 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 1: say the thing and then anybody can come up with 1027 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 1: the thing that rhymes with Bobby bones and it doesn't 1028 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 1: really point to anything. So um, there was one I did, 1029 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,880 Speaker 1: um and sometimes you would have to actually have a 1030 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 1: a punch a punch line itself. And these jokes. I 1031 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: did one about Colin. It was about drinking, and um, 1032 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,279 Speaker 1: I talked about his His mother drank when she was pregnant. Sorry, 1033 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,359 Speaker 1: that's the truth. When they took her her blood, her 1034 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,959 Speaker 1: her blood was a d proof. Um. The doctors felt 1035 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 1: so bad. They didn't know what to do. But if 1036 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,040 Speaker 1: your baby looked like Colin, then you'd be drinking too, 1037 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: was was you know? And and and it's not. That's 1038 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 1: the thing is it's not the funniest joke in the world. 1039 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 1: But number one, it rhymed in the right order, and 1040 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,799 Speaker 1: the punch line came at the end. And number two 1041 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,960 Speaker 1: they just watched you think of it. That's always the 1042 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,360 Speaker 1: magic of it, and it is a little bit like 1043 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,520 Speaker 1: magic that um it seems like a magic trick, which 1044 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,759 Speaker 1: is why sometimes it's even more exciting in person. I 1045 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 1: don't know if you've been to a vive improv show, 1046 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 1: but you know how you watched magic on TV. There's 1047 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,480 Speaker 1: always somewhere in the back of your head, well yeah, 1048 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 1: it's on TV. Yeah, but if you're sitting there, I mean, 1049 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 1: if you're sitting somebody did it. I was over at 1050 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: um Tin Ruth the other night and this guy came 1051 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: by doing card tricks and he did that thing. I 1052 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 1: wrote my name on a card and he put in 1053 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,440 Speaker 1: his and I was like, if that had been on TV, 1054 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,520 Speaker 1: but it was right in front of me, So that's 1055 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 1: improvs Like that, it freaks you out. I had friends 1056 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,319 Speaker 1: that would come to the Groundlings Stater did it and 1057 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,400 Speaker 1: they just didn't believe it was improvised. Actually I was 1058 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,000 Speaker 1: not a Groundling because I was I took all their classes. 1059 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,880 Speaker 1: It was like you start with basic, Intermediate, Lab, Advanced, 1060 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: did all that got into the Sunday Show. Did when 1061 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,239 Speaker 1: in the Sunday Show would be like the JV and 1062 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,399 Speaker 1: it's from the Sunday Show. You're generaling this Sunday Show 1063 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,439 Speaker 1: about six months or maybe a year, and from that 1064 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,879 Speaker 1: they get the new ground Links. So I was there 1065 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,040 Speaker 1: almost a year and a half, two years, taking all 1066 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,200 Speaker 1: these classes and getting high and hirh get in the 1067 00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:02,320 Speaker 1: Sunday Show, did one Sunday Show and I got Buddy Holly, 1068 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,680 Speaker 1: and I moved to London, say even to London to 1069 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,400 Speaker 1: the stage show Buddy Holly. Yep. So was there anyone 1070 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,160 Speaker 1: that you were training within the ground Lings that ended 1071 00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 1: up being a big deal because they put out a 1072 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,320 Speaker 1: lot of famous people. Yeah, I was actually right before 1073 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 1: a lot of them. I was sort of in between. Um. 1074 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 1: Uh Phil Hartman had been just a few years and 1075 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,399 Speaker 1: John Lovett's right, what geniuses You're right, especially I mean 1076 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: especially Phil. I mean anybody at the Groundlings would say 1077 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,759 Speaker 1: that he was auto unique and born to be on 1078 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 1: that SNL stage because he could play all those characters, 1079 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,080 Speaker 1: but all those things, so many of his earlier characters 1080 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,200 Speaker 1: happened right there on the Groundling stage. And he was 1081 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:41,680 Speaker 1: actually um a mentor towards uh um Julia um Sweeney 1082 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,040 Speaker 1: who it's patch, she was there too, And then right 1083 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 1: behind me was Will Ferrell. When I went off to London, 1084 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,320 Speaker 1: Will came in right after and was joined was in 1085 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,280 Speaker 1: the Groundlings and Will Farrell and Chris Ktan and Cherry Oh, Terry, 1086 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,040 Speaker 1: and I mean it really wasn't training ground for us 1087 00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,520 Speaker 1: to now. I mean that's where they went to find yeah, 1088 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,040 Speaker 1: because it there was there were a few of them. 1089 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,080 Speaker 1: There was one in Chicago, there was one in l A. 1090 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,040 Speaker 1: There was one, but that was really one of oh man, Yeah, 1091 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 1: I mean I couldn't do justice to the actual list. 1092 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:10,440 Speaker 1: You would have to go look at it and you'd 1093 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,040 Speaker 1: be blown away because it wasn't just improv at the Groundlings. 1094 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,719 Speaker 1: Most of it was sketch work. You would That's what 1095 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,360 Speaker 1: actually brought me there when I first went to l A. 1096 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I was so respect you doing stand up 1097 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,560 Speaker 1: because I've tried it. I went out when I first 1098 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,160 Speaker 1: went to l A. And you can't just jump in 1099 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,719 Speaker 1: a movie or jump in a TV show, but you 1100 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,719 Speaker 1: can jump up on a stage with a microphone. They'll 1101 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,560 Speaker 1: let you do that every Wednesday at certain places. So 1102 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,200 Speaker 1: I remember going to the comedy store on Sunset Boulevard 1103 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,640 Speaker 1: wrote this horrible little five minutes, and I remember getting 1104 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,920 Speaker 1: up and I had a guitar and I had a 1105 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,640 Speaker 1: couple of funny songs to sing, and um. I remember 1106 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,680 Speaker 1: the first reson I learned is you gotta be talking immediately, 1107 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,319 Speaker 1: because I was silent and I was setting up my 1108 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,839 Speaker 1: mic and my head was down and getting everything ready, 1109 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,600 Speaker 1: and I look up and it's been dead silent for 1110 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,759 Speaker 1: thirty seconds. And I was so scared. I remember my 1111 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,440 Speaker 1: knees knock and my mouth was foamy. I was freaking out, 1112 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,000 Speaker 1: and I in my horrible five minutes and I got 1113 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,960 Speaker 1: off and I went into the bathroom. And this was 1114 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,440 Speaker 1: one of the most pivotal things for me ever, was 1115 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,840 Speaker 1: I went into that bathroom at the comedy store and 1116 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,799 Speaker 1: I looked into the mirror, and I was just so 1117 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:17,040 Speaker 1: furious with myself, just furious because it was instantly clear 1118 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,759 Speaker 1: to me that as I walked off the stage, even 1119 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,160 Speaker 1: before I got to the stages, this is what you 1120 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:22,959 Speaker 1: want to do for a living, not stand up perhaps, 1121 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,920 Speaker 1: but standing in front of people and performing. You want 1122 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,080 Speaker 1: to do this for the rest of your life. And 1123 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:31,720 Speaker 1: you're gonna let two strangers that you will never see again, 1124 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,919 Speaker 1: half of whom are in the bag. You're gonna let 1125 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,840 Speaker 1: them petrify you like that. You're gonna let them freak 1126 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,759 Speaker 1: you out like that? So how did that change you? 1127 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,200 Speaker 1: I went back a week later with the same middling 1128 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,719 Speaker 1: material and did it again, and it wasn't even a 1129 00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,600 Speaker 1: little scared. It was. It was so it was so 1130 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,839 Speaker 1: binary and on off switch because I was way more 1131 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,160 Speaker 1: afraid of me and what it was. It was a 1132 00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,880 Speaker 1: perception perception thing. I perceived the whole thing differently. I 1133 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,920 Speaker 1: didn't perceive that I need it to be great right then. 1134 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,120 Speaker 1: I perceived that I needed to not give and not 1135 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,200 Speaker 1: be afraid of them, not just I needed to be 1136 00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,640 Speaker 1: able to breathe on stage. So I just got up 1137 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,920 Speaker 1: and I just stood there and and and then I 1138 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,239 Speaker 1: was able to do it a couple of other times, 1139 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:13,960 Speaker 1: and it quickly became clear to me that it wasn't 1140 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,960 Speaker 1: my thing. I'm not that solitary a guy. I'm a 1141 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,839 Speaker 1: more um social person and I'd like interacting and and 1142 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,719 Speaker 1: also not knowing anybody. It was a really bad way 1143 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,640 Speaker 1: to uh did network. I wasn't meeting anybody. Um and 1144 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,640 Speaker 1: a couple of comics I met, I would feel like 1145 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,000 Speaker 1: we'd be talking and have a conversation and I was like, Oh, 1146 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,360 Speaker 1: this guy's cool and he's funny man and then like 1147 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,520 Speaker 1: an hour later, I go that dude was trying out 1148 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,360 Speaker 1: his whole act on me. He get up there and 1149 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,120 Speaker 1: say all those same bits and if you laugh during 1150 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,759 Speaker 1: the conversation and like, oh man, I didn't know my 1151 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,319 Speaker 1: friends sometimes and they don't even know I got you stuff, 1152 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:52,120 Speaker 1: but like and they didn't laugh. And that's what we do. 1153 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,239 Speaker 1: We have to find a training now, because here's the 1154 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,640 Speaker 1: difference is that I can sit in my room and 1155 00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,000 Speaker 1: for us when we do the reging and it's a 1156 00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,799 Speaker 1: whole different show. I can sit do around, I can 1157 00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,440 Speaker 1: pla guitar, and I can practice. I can practice uh 1158 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:07,839 Speaker 1: chords and and fingering and muscle memory. And then you 1159 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,600 Speaker 1: can't practice on stage. You have to get up and fail, 1160 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,959 Speaker 1: and you have to be confident that you're going to fail, 1161 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,080 Speaker 1: and then it's okay, well you're never going to make 1162 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:17,920 Speaker 1: This is why I'm so impressed with what you do, 1163 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,560 Speaker 1: because I'm I've often thought of what if I went back. Now, 1164 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,120 Speaker 1: I have points of view, now, I have things I 1165 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,040 Speaker 1: might like to say. I might be able to do that, 1166 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,040 Speaker 1: but I know you gotta suck for a while, or 1167 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,880 Speaker 1: you gotta be um find your material. Even the best 1168 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,359 Speaker 1: comics go into little clubs and and there's some now, 1169 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,560 Speaker 1: some of the bigger ones, I think Chris Rock and 1170 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,759 Speaker 1: the others where everybody has to put their cell phone 1171 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,960 Speaker 1: in the back. And because you know that all these 1172 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,479 Speaker 1: comics they got great with that to suck for a while. 1173 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,200 Speaker 1: It's the ten thousand world. They got great by being 1174 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,800 Speaker 1: bad for ten And you how do you do that? 1175 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,239 Speaker 1: You suck for a long time, but you suck and 1176 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:53,839 Speaker 1: you get better and you get better until you hit 1177 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,799 Speaker 1: it and then you accord it. Then you're done. You 1178 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,560 Speaker 1: gotta start sucking again. Yeah, that's the weird part about 1179 00:52:58,600 --> 00:52:59,880 Speaker 1: it all, because well, I'm gonna do the comedies a 1180 00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,719 Speaker 1: shell in March or April the next year, like a 1181 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,319 Speaker 1: special special that we haven't announced it. But it's like 1182 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,520 Speaker 1: we've been building and getting better and getting better, and 1183 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:09,920 Speaker 1: I know as soon as we do the special, all 1184 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,640 Speaker 1: that material is dead because you've done it. It's not 1185 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,319 Speaker 1: like a song where you can hear it thirty times. 1186 00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:15,799 Speaker 1: You know, there's there's a real debate on that. There 1187 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,080 Speaker 1: goes back and forth. There's a there's a book I 1188 00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,160 Speaker 1: gotta I gotta give you a fantastic book I just read. 1189 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,680 Speaker 1: I guess I'm I can remember Steve Martin would do 1190 00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,799 Speaker 1: this some of the because I'm huge Steve Martin, like 1191 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,640 Speaker 1: one of Steve Martin did something remarkable in his career 1192 00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,000 Speaker 1: that I have seen no one do, and that is 1193 00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,280 Speaker 1: retire at the top of his game and not tell anybody. 1194 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,239 Speaker 1: He was just the greatest and was like I quit. 1195 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,880 Speaker 1: He didn't tell anybody quit. He just quit. But he 1196 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,440 Speaker 1: but he people knew his jokes. Well, that's the thing 1197 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,319 Speaker 1: this this book. I was reading Judd Apatow's since he 1198 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,600 Speaker 1: was really young. Wasn't just a stand up, but he 1199 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,600 Speaker 1: would interview all these stand ups, so he has interviews 1200 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,080 Speaker 1: with his kids. He would have them. Yeah, exactly, I'm 1201 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:53,840 Speaker 1: trying to remember this. It's crazy in the head or 1202 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,960 Speaker 1: something like that. I'm getting the title wrong. In any 1203 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,840 Speaker 1: event um, there was a debate within there with some people. 1204 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,960 Speaker 1: To Jared Seinfeld, I guess it is one of the 1205 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,240 Speaker 1: few that says you don't have to retire anything. People 1206 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,080 Speaker 1: don't mind hearing that joke again if it's funny, but 1207 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,440 Speaker 1: I i'd be in your camp. I would feel like, oh, 1208 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,200 Speaker 1: they've heard this one. That's the worst. I start to 1209 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,080 Speaker 1: feel like, oh, they already know where does it go? 1210 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,200 Speaker 1: And I needed to get better and man, maybe that's 1211 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,680 Speaker 1: a personal thing with me like you. But even if 1212 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,880 Speaker 1: it is a personal thing, you gotta you can't fight it. 1213 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,719 Speaker 1: You get is get But how do you what is 1214 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,520 Speaker 1: your thing like when you're on stage? If when something 1215 00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't work, that's the thing I realized, when something wouldn't 1216 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,759 Speaker 1: work in improv we can you know, we always get 1217 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,080 Speaker 1: to go what I just made it up? Don't judge me. 1218 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,200 Speaker 1: You know it's not so easy, is it? Um? And 1219 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,879 Speaker 1: the other thing is if something if I said something 1220 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,560 Speaker 1: that wasn't funny, I got three other guys to go. Really, 1221 00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,640 Speaker 1: that's that's what you're gonna go with and the audience 1222 00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,600 Speaker 1: would die laughing at how bad the thing I said was. 1223 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,399 Speaker 1: So what do you do? Do you embrace the suck 1224 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,120 Speaker 1: when it goes bad? Or what do you do? You 1225 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,120 Speaker 1: know that it's the loneliest place in the world before 1226 00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:54,960 Speaker 1: you go out there, there's no one to lean on, 1227 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,959 Speaker 1: there's nowhere to fall back. It's it's when you miss, 1228 00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,560 Speaker 1: and you shouldn't miss a lot, and I do you 1229 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,759 Speaker 1: have to you have when you miss, it's awful. When 1230 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,359 Speaker 1: you hit, it's the most amazing thing. So you really 1231 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,279 Speaker 1: play for the amazing nous. But we cross to your 1232 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,200 Speaker 1: head after a miss interception. You have to be the 1233 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,440 Speaker 1: quarterback that throws in. You gotta be Aaron Rodgers, the 1234 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:14,960 Speaker 1: thirst three picks in the game and gets back up 1235 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,600 Speaker 1: and continues. And if you don't have that mentality, it's 1236 00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,960 Speaker 1: just not for you because you will throw a lot 1237 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,640 Speaker 1: of interceptions. Yeah, you know, it's it's very That's something 1238 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,560 Speaker 1: that's very common with improv is. I used to say 1239 00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,480 Speaker 1: that you have to rip out the rear view mirror 1240 00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,319 Speaker 1: because every second you're looking in that rear view mirror, 1241 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,839 Speaker 1: that thing that you could have made funnier twenty seconds ago, 1242 00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna go right into a brick wall. So and 1243 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,960 Speaker 1: take that out and you move forward. But I'm even 1244 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,960 Speaker 1: talking about that thing where you tell a joke and 1245 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,880 Speaker 1: it gets sort of a go anyway that I know 1246 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,640 Speaker 1: the next thing. Just move, Just move, just go to 1247 00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,600 Speaker 1: the next thing. And there are jokes that I've I've 1248 00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,000 Speaker 1: worried about and that I wonder and I don't ever 1249 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,839 Speaker 1: share my act any you know, because I just wait 1250 00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,120 Speaker 1: for But there was one joke that I told in 1251 00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,120 Speaker 1: particular that I tried it out because what happened. I 1252 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,640 Speaker 1: had a weekend off, which is awful for me. I 1253 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,000 Speaker 1: don't like to have weekends off. And so I was like, no, 1254 00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to theater down in uh Franklin and 1255 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:08,879 Speaker 1: I'll do two shows back to back. So I wanted 1256 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,839 Speaker 1: to work just new material. And so the problem was 1257 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,000 Speaker 1: some of the critics and blogs and press wanted to 1258 00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,200 Speaker 1: cover it. And I was like, oh, great, I can't 1259 00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,520 Speaker 1: just go work new material if people are gonna come 1260 00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,439 Speaker 1: out and watch it. But I still had the two 1261 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,239 Speaker 1: shows and I wanted to throw some new stuff in. 1262 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,360 Speaker 1: And I had written this joke this day, and I 1263 00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:26,840 Speaker 1: was like, oh, I don't know if I should try it. 1264 00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:32,960 Speaker 1: And the joke was it was and it's already happened. 1265 00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,040 Speaker 1: It's not me and and I don't ever just sit 1266 00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,560 Speaker 1: after a joke and wait, like more of my stylists 1267 00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,759 Speaker 1: tell the joke, and I'm moving, I'm quick, I'm quick, 1268 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,160 Speaker 1: I'm quick, I'm quick, and sometimes they missed, sometimes they don't. 1269 00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,000 Speaker 1: But the joke was, you know, finding an uber driver 1270 00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,879 Speaker 1: is like, I've been an uber. I think I would 1271 00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,440 Speaker 1: not stop talking. I think I would not stop talking. 1272 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,080 Speaker 1: And I was like finding a good uber drivers like 1273 00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,440 Speaker 1: finding um a good woman. Because I've been single a 1274 00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,200 Speaker 1: long time. I had I had let up into all 1275 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,759 Speaker 1: this singleness joke. They have apps for that too, Yeah, 1276 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,200 Speaker 1: they I tried him. It's like finding a good uber 1277 00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,480 Speaker 1: drivers like finding a good woman. Either talk all the 1278 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,120 Speaker 1: time that either don't stop talking or they don't let 1279 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:16,200 Speaker 1: you do but stuff. And I just sat and I 1280 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,800 Speaker 1: let and I let them, and I let the crowd go. 1281 00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:27,920 Speaker 1: I let the crowd go, and then they started it. 1282 00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,840 Speaker 1: And there's never a more vulnerable moment than when you 1283 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,560 Speaker 1: say that either don't stop talking or they don't let 1284 00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,880 Speaker 1: you do butt stuff talking about an uber dry and 1285 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,680 Speaker 1: it was a really hard spot for me just to 1286 00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,240 Speaker 1: sit and wait. Well, that's that's fascinating because so much 1287 00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:43,840 Speaker 1: what you do on the radio, you don't get to 1288 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:45,960 Speaker 1: learn the timing of it all. It's a completely it's 1289 00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,920 Speaker 1: two different things. So you wouldn't have a clue that differing, 1290 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,840 Speaker 1: but you would. You were wise to know that that 1291 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,840 Speaker 1: required math. They had to do the math on Wait 1292 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,720 Speaker 1: a second, that is he's talking about an uber and 1293 00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,240 Speaker 1: then they get and it's just so absurd exactly what 1294 00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,680 Speaker 1: let me ask you, I haven't seeing the app They 1295 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,240 Speaker 1: get there faster when the jokes are like that. My 1296 00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,000 Speaker 1: problem was as some of my jokes would be one 1297 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,560 Speaker 1: way and then I would do the absurd one. And 1298 00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,560 Speaker 1: if they're not expect you know, Steve Martin, you knew 1299 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,040 Speaker 1: the absurd one was coming, was Stephen right? You know 1300 00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,800 Speaker 1: the absurdance coming, So they're faster to it. But if 1301 00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,640 Speaker 1: you're not dealing pitches like that, then they it takes 1302 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,200 Speaker 1: them a second longer to catch. Is that a lot 1303 00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,440 Speaker 1: of them or is that very That one is unlike 1304 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:28,440 Speaker 1: any other, and it's it's a very vulnerable feeling sitting 1305 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,160 Speaker 1: and waiting because as I sit there and waited, I 1306 00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,920 Speaker 1: just waited and if nobody laughs, you're you're isolated, and 1307 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,400 Speaker 1: then you just go to the next joke. But they laughed. 1308 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,920 Speaker 1: Do you ever watching Andy Kaufman. That's my hero, It's 1309 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,320 Speaker 1: my hero any conference my hero, like David Letterman is 1310 00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,320 Speaker 1: my real life hero of my lifetime. Like I was 1311 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,280 Speaker 1: able to watch Andy Kaufman, to me, is the most brilliant. 1312 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,000 Speaker 1: The name was a comic performer that I have ever seen. 1313 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,440 Speaker 1: I just went down the Andy. I went down that 1314 00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,880 Speaker 1: rabbit hole the other night on YouTube was watching Jerry Lawler. Uh, 1315 00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,880 Speaker 1: there's a great Jerry Lawler interview about that whole thing 1316 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,120 Speaker 1: I did. The wrestling thing that Andy did, that he 1317 00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,480 Speaker 1: would wrestle women. For those who don't know, Andy was 1318 00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,080 Speaker 1: the woman's wrestling champion. No woman could beat him wrestling. 1319 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,640 Speaker 1: And he finally said that this Jerry Lawler, and nobody 1320 00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,880 Speaker 1: would nobody would have him wrestle guys up north. But 1321 00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,400 Speaker 1: there's this guy down here I think it was in 1322 00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:19,320 Speaker 1: Memphis actually, and Jerry Lawler said exactly, said I'll wrestle him. 1323 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,959 Speaker 1: So they went down and Jerry Lawler put a pile drop, 1324 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,960 Speaker 1: put two pile drivers on him, then supposedly broke your 1325 00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,600 Speaker 1: neck and he put on that and back in the 1326 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,680 Speaker 1: day when you were watching it live, you were honestly 1327 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,120 Speaker 1: never you were you thought it might be a put on. 1328 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:33,600 Speaker 1: But then you go, no, no, no, I think this 1329 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,600 Speaker 1: is real. And that was the joy in the in 1330 00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,960 Speaker 1: the beauty of Andy. But on what I'm relating it 1331 00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,240 Speaker 1: to is I would think going back to that and 1332 00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,479 Speaker 1: watching him stand in front of an audience that hates 1333 00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,480 Speaker 1: him or isn't getting it, that would give me, that 1334 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,600 Speaker 1: would give me strength to the next time I went on, 1335 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,240 Speaker 1: I would choose to be braver. I would want to 1336 00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,520 Speaker 1: be able to stand there. I remember even one of 1337 00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,120 Speaker 1: my first auditions. I had an audition to play um 1338 00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,960 Speaker 1: Prince Charming and some show at some big, big theater. 1339 01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:02,760 Speaker 1: This is in the Los Angeles. I had not auditioned 1340 01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:04,960 Speaker 1: for anything, and I could feel those nerves creeping in again, 1341 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,120 Speaker 1: and I knew I didn't want to do this job 1342 01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,280 Speaker 1: and I probably wasn't going to get it. We had 1343 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,720 Speaker 1: to audition in front of everybody. Everybody was all in 1344 01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,200 Speaker 1: the room when you auditioned and read before, like the table. 1345 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,520 Speaker 1: I can fame that long table where they all sit there, 1346 01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:19,919 Speaker 1: and I didn't. They said they wanted you to read 1347 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,160 Speaker 1: a piece like a monogue. I didn't have a monologue. 1348 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,520 Speaker 1: So I stood there and I and I said, um, 1349 01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,840 Speaker 1: I do not have a monologue today, So for my audition, 1350 01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,680 Speaker 1: I will be reading from the classic Louis Lamore novel Hondo. 1351 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,200 Speaker 1: It's like it was. It was exactly that, and I 1352 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,040 Speaker 1: knew that. I knew I wasn't being original, but I 1353 01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,040 Speaker 1: also knew it was going to take a tremendous amount 1354 01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,000 Speaker 1: of balls to just stand there and read until they 1355 01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,600 Speaker 1: stopped me. So I just opened up and it's dead silent, 1356 01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,600 Speaker 1: and you hear a little rustling and go Hondo walked 1357 01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,800 Speaker 1: into the noonday sun and I just began. And they're 1358 01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,919 Speaker 1: just sitting there a letting me read and read and read. 1359 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,480 Speaker 1: And I was doing it on purpose, for cou frominesque 1360 01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,840 Speaker 1: reasons of internal strength. Man, I bet you were developing 1361 01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,280 Speaker 1: as a yes, I'm the boss at this moment it 1362 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,160 Speaker 1: um and and to prove it, I'm gonna I'm gonna 1363 01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,920 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go for your approval at all. I'm 1364 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,360 Speaker 1: gonna stand here and be disapproved by you, and and 1365 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:13,920 Speaker 1: and sit in that for a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, 1366 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,000 Speaker 1: you know it's funny because uh, it's the same way 1367 01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,200 Speaker 1: we both makes sense. We love the British Office. It's uncomfortable, 1368 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,800 Speaker 1: so uncomfortable. I don't know why I love that. I'm 1369 01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,800 Speaker 1: comfortable because it's it's a risk. I think that's why 1370 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:27,520 Speaker 1: I love it. It's a really risky thing to do. 1371 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,520 Speaker 1: It is and also you talk about his timing and 1372 01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:35,240 Speaker 1: his commitment, um, it's he was fully fully invested. And 1373 01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,600 Speaker 1: I just honestly, I don't regret much, but I do 1374 01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,600 Speaker 1: regret looking back that I didn't more fully commit to 1375 01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,040 Speaker 1: some of the comedy I was a part of. That's 1376 01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,800 Speaker 1: who the great ones are, that's your Chris Farley's And 1377 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,520 Speaker 1: you know it's always it's always the darkest people that 1378 01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:56,080 Speaker 1: are the brightest shiners. Well that's true. But which is 1379 01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,080 Speaker 1: weird for you because you are the happiest and not 1380 01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,240 Speaker 1: like me into a hole, Chip and I go into 1381 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:03,600 Speaker 1: a hole until the time to come out and do 1382 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,160 Speaker 1: my thing, and I'm not super social. And I see 1383 01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,000 Speaker 1: you and people, and you talk to people and you 1384 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,320 Speaker 1: hug people, and I do until I don't. But you 1385 01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,800 Speaker 1: are always on, Which is weird for me to see 1386 01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,880 Speaker 1: someone who can do all of this and still maintain 1387 01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,120 Speaker 1: like your creativity. You know. I there was a time 1388 01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,240 Speaker 1: in my acting classes where I remember, look, I haven't 1389 01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,800 Speaker 1: had this easy upbringing. If I could, if I wrote 1390 01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,040 Speaker 1: a book, there would be things. There would be my 1391 01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,720 Speaker 1: parents divorce and growing up without my dad right there, 1392 01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:36,720 Speaker 1: Um my dad uh and his second wife lost a 1393 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,760 Speaker 1: son to crib death, and I was I was still 1394 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:43,240 Speaker 1: a young guy. Um there there's that stuff was brutal 1395 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,720 Speaker 1: and hurts and still hurts. So that's all in there. 1396 01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,480 Speaker 1: But I remember, even in acting going seeing these people 1397 01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,920 Speaker 1: with these really these stories and going, man, I somehow 1398 01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,120 Speaker 1: wish my life was a little more messed up and 1399 01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,920 Speaker 1: I'd have more to draw on. But I stopped that. 1400 01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,760 Speaker 1: I grew, I grew out of that. I am not 1401 01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:04,959 Speaker 1: believe me. I got my dark places on, my tough, 1402 01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:09,880 Speaker 1: my sad moments. I don't know if it's any less 1403 01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,840 Speaker 1: than a whole lot of people. I some times, I 1404 01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:18,080 Speaker 1: gotta be honest, I feel very very blessed, very very fortunate, 1405 01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:22,920 Speaker 1: and I feel not a responsibility that I have to 1406 01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,480 Speaker 1: put a fake face on. But when somebody comes up, 1407 01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,600 Speaker 1: it requires so little for me. It requires so few 1408 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,000 Speaker 1: calories fame or these TV things. It's almost like a 1409 01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,720 Speaker 1: long level. Like if you're trying to get a rock 1410 01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,840 Speaker 1: out of your yard right and you have a little stick, 1411 01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,040 Speaker 1: it's not gonna do it. But if you have this 1412 01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,040 Speaker 1: long and long two by four right, and you stick 1413 01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:43,520 Speaker 1: it under there, and you got a good level, you 1414 01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,360 Speaker 1: barely gotta pull at the end of it, and you 1415 01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,080 Speaker 1: can move a big old boulder. I feel like that's 1416 01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,240 Speaker 1: what it is. When I'm out there. Oh I gotta 1417 01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,760 Speaker 1: do is say it's nice to meet you. Thank you, really, 1418 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:57,000 Speaker 1: thank your mom. For me and you know, take a picture. 1419 01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,760 Speaker 1: It just doesn't feel like a lot to me. In fact, 1420 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,880 Speaker 1: I don't know why. Psychically, emotionally, it feels like more 1421 01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,560 Speaker 1: energy to me to hold that off somehow, to put 1422 01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,240 Speaker 1: my to give a stiff hand, to keep my head down, 1423 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,880 Speaker 1: to avoid it feels like it would take a whole 1424 01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:16,160 Speaker 1: lot of effort for me. It's not avoidance because when 1425 01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,240 Speaker 1: I'm out, like, I appreciate anyone that does anything that 1426 01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,720 Speaker 1: I do, it comes listens, but it's I stay in 1427 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,880 Speaker 1: my room until I want to go out. It seems 1428 01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,000 Speaker 1: like you're out and you're very social all the time. No, 1429 01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,280 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I'm home. I'm home a whole 1430 01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:37,960 Speaker 1: lot um the things I go to. You when you 1431 01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,560 Speaker 1: do a ton of charity events, you go to things, 1432 01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,520 Speaker 1: and you're I mean, you're out in the world, probably 1433 01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:44,920 Speaker 1: more than I am. If we were really going to 1434 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,040 Speaker 1: compare schedules you're talking about when you're off the clock. 1435 01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,600 Speaker 1: You mean, I just feel like I have two modes. 1436 01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,320 Speaker 1: Hide in my room and then when I'm out, and 1437 01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,720 Speaker 1: when I'm out, I'm appreciative and I love everybody all 1438 01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,680 Speaker 1: the time. But I have a really well, I just 1439 01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,880 Speaker 1: want to be by myself a lot. Well, I think 1440 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,320 Speaker 1: the family changes that. You know, that's fair, and you 1441 01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,880 Speaker 1: do have a family, Yeah, when when when you do, 1442 01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,600 Speaker 1: when you have whatever you have, you're gonna you're going 1443 01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,920 Speaker 1: to go to your daughter's UM pageant. You know, You're 1444 01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:18,160 Speaker 1: going to go to your son's UM scout meeting. And 1445 01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,520 Speaker 1: there's gonna be other fathers and there's gonna be other people. 1446 01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,240 Speaker 1: And I'm not always super in my comfort zone in 1447 01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:28,120 Speaker 1: those in those moments, but I can't choose that other thing, 1448 01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,960 Speaker 1: and um, and I really don't want to look. It 1449 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,200 Speaker 1: goes again to I've been doing this a long time. 1450 01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,400 Speaker 1: I'm just grateful. I don't know how long I have 1451 01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:37,560 Speaker 1: doing this. We saw how fragile it is. It almost 1452 01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,400 Speaker 1: went away right there. And when it's gone, I don't 1453 01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,720 Speaker 1: know how long people care about my singles or what 1454 01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:46,560 Speaker 1: I'm doing. Um, I've had twenty years to sort of 1455 01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:51,680 Speaker 1: not be bothered. It's like it's not even please, It's 1456 01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:53,520 Speaker 1: like I don't mind. I mean, whose line was fine, 1457 01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,640 Speaker 1: I'd be in line, it would nobody say anything for 1458 01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:56,960 Speaker 1: like a week, and then I'd be in line at 1459 01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,520 Speaker 1: the bank and somebody just tapped my shot and go. 1460 01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:02,320 Speaker 1: You're very funny and you can't pay for that, and 1461 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,760 Speaker 1: so so yeah, I think I just I'm making hay 1462 01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,360 Speaker 1: while the while the sun shines, and I do enjoy it. 1463 01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,200 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I love it. Mike. How long 1464 01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,200 Speaker 1: we into this? Okay, well we're about to wrap. This 1465 01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,120 Speaker 1: is the long we did for three hours? Like I 1466 01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:16,760 Speaker 1: really felt like we get here for three hours and 1467 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,560 Speaker 1: just talk. I do want to say the first time 1468 01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,680 Speaker 1: I saw you, I was a huge married with children fan. 1469 01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:22,800 Speaker 1: And when you came in, and when you came in 1470 01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:28,120 Speaker 1: as Kelly's boyfriend, um Lonnie Tott. Yeah, that's the first 1471 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,320 Speaker 1: time I ever saw chip past on television. There you go, 1472 01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:35,440 Speaker 1: and you were Kelly Bundy's boyfriend. What you have a mechanic? 1473 01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,680 Speaker 1: Were you? What was your job? You know what? I Yeah, 1474 01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:41,120 Speaker 1: I think I was. I was the heir to the 1475 01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,080 Speaker 1: top fortune. They actually made tater totts, and so I was. 1476 01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,240 Speaker 1: I was the dumb son of a rich really dumb. Yeah, 1477 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,640 Speaker 1: really good looking. I made I made Kelly look smart, 1478 01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,400 Speaker 1: which was which was the trick? And that thing, by 1479 01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:53,720 Speaker 1: the way, I think I bet I knew something. I 1480 01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,760 Speaker 1: bet I was on something before that that you knew. 1481 01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:58,880 Speaker 1: Do you remember were you a Cheers fan? Oh? Yeah, 1482 01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,760 Speaker 1: I watched yours obviously. Young. Do you ever remember an 1483 01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:08,280 Speaker 1: episode where um give me pitching myself? I was? I was. 1484 01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,120 Speaker 1: That was the very first thing I did, which was 1485 01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,760 Speaker 1: mind blowing because it was like through the looking glass. 1486 01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,880 Speaker 1: It was literally like looking at a painting, or it 1487 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,240 Speaker 1: would be like looking at that dogs playing poker, painting 1488 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,560 Speaker 1: your whole life, right, and then one day you're sitting 1489 01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:23,000 Speaker 1: at the table with the dogs looking out. That made 1490 01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:24,960 Speaker 1: no sense, but you know what I mean, I'm stepping 1491 01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:26,840 Speaker 1: to the other side of that was mind blowing. But 1492 01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,080 Speaker 1: it was a really fun episode where cliff Um buys 1493 01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:33,160 Speaker 1: a video camera and he and he gets into this 1494 01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,560 Speaker 1: idea that he and Norm are gonna start filming people's 1495 01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,760 Speaker 1: events because so many events happened at the bar, they 1496 01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,480 Speaker 1: will start videotaping I'm on a big old VHS tape 1497 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:42,600 Speaker 1: and they will make some money while they're they're in 1498 01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,600 Speaker 1: the bar anyway, so let's video tape their events. The 1499 01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,800 Speaker 1: very first one they do, it's a giant family reunion 1500 01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:49,520 Speaker 1: and they've got this thing on their shoulder and these 1501 01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:51,680 Speaker 1: cool things are happening, and suddenly they realized that they 1502 01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,080 Speaker 1: don't have a battery. There's no battery and he didn't 1503 01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,600 Speaker 1: get a battery, and so it's just a dead camera. 1504 01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,200 Speaker 1: And so they decided what they're gonna do iss that's 1505 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,440 Speaker 1: all right, Nomi would is gonna pretend that way shooting 1506 01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,160 Speaker 1: this whole thing. And then later we tell him we 1507 01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,200 Speaker 1: lost the tape in the mail that you know we sent. 1508 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,600 Speaker 1: We sent the tape and it just won't arrive. So 1509 01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:09,920 Speaker 1: the whole episode is them pretending to tape and he goes, 1510 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,000 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen anyway, It's just a family reunion, and uh, 1511 01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,720 Speaker 1: of course bigger and bigger things happened, and the grandfather 1512 01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:17,960 Speaker 1: stands up and goes, I've never told you all this, 1513 01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:20,960 Speaker 1: but I want you didn't know I love you. I 1514 01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,559 Speaker 1: love every one of you. And he's like, oh, it's 1515 01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,559 Speaker 1: not my fault. He didn't tell his family love them. 1516 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,760 Speaker 1: And then later I was like the second thing where 1517 01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,479 Speaker 1: I'd come busting in the door and dressed in full 1518 01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:34,600 Speaker 1: military garden. I'm like Grandma Grandpa through thirty hours on 1519 01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:40,200 Speaker 1: the MAX Happy Anniversary, like, oh, Terry, we thought you 1520 01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:44,040 Speaker 1: were dead, and they're pretending to film it. And then 1521 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,080 Speaker 1: the best one of all is the grandmother who's been 1522 01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,920 Speaker 1: in a wheelchair. The entire episode says I want you 1523 01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:53,080 Speaker 1: to all know that you've given me the strength to 1524 01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:58,320 Speaker 1: do this about it and they're, oh my god. So 1525 01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,080 Speaker 1: I guess you don't remember. But if if you saw 1526 01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,920 Speaker 1: that was that was the real first big thing that 1527 01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:05,800 Speaker 1: I did. It was their last season. It was it 1528 01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:09,639 Speaker 1: was a thrill. So yeah, so here's and back to today. 1529 01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:14,400 Speaker 1: So search Charles Eston and this is called this town 1530 01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:28,280 Speaker 1: is ours. It's out now right lo, the good town Son? 1531 01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,280 Speaker 1: So in every single Friday for how long are you 1532 01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,240 Speaker 1: putting these songs out? Like do you have in your 1533 01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,439 Speaker 1: mind what you can do? Now? I think that's number 1534 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:39,120 Speaker 1: nine and m yeah, I gotta I got a bunch more, 1535 01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:42,320 Speaker 1: and each I like more than next of They're all 1536 01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:46,200 Speaker 1: very very different. I look, let's I'm gonna aim at 1537 01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:49,519 Speaker 1: a year. That's crazy to even go twenty five is crazy, 1538 01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:53,519 Speaker 1: to go fifty two, Like that's right, I probably won't 1539 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:57,040 Speaker 1: make it. And but but but if I say twenty 1540 01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:58,880 Speaker 1: it's like, so what you made two albums? You made 1541 01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,559 Speaker 1: a double album. That's a lot. That's still a lot. 1542 01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,960 Speaker 1: I know. Um, Look, I love writing, I love doing 1543 01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,720 Speaker 1: and more than anything, if we've come down to one thing, 1544 01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,040 Speaker 1: unifying threat of all this, I don't mind failing if 1545 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:12,880 Speaker 1: I don't make it through a year. I didn't make 1546 01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,040 Speaker 1: it to a year. It's just it's a nice round number. 1547 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:16,639 Speaker 1: If there were ten months in a year, I'd probably 1548 01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:22,400 Speaker 1: say that. But um, I know I have over thirty. Um. 1549 01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:26,240 Speaker 1: And and for me, it's it'll mean the music's out there, 1550 01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,840 Speaker 1: It'll mean I have a body of work. I'm I'm 1551 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,479 Speaker 1: fifty damn years old and two days I'm fifty one. 1552 01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,559 Speaker 1: What day is it? Three days? Oh? You can cut 1553 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,439 Speaker 1: that out if we're not on the right day. Um, 1554 01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,160 Speaker 1: but what am I gonna wait from? I'm gonna put 1555 01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,160 Speaker 1: out an album, put out twelve songs, and wait another 1556 01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,800 Speaker 1: eight ten months, put on another twelve. Yeah, I could 1557 01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,360 Speaker 1: do that. I don't know. Is it gonna. Am I 1558 01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:52,479 Speaker 1: gonna knock Barber streisand off the starts? No? So I'm 1559 01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,360 Speaker 1: just putting out the songs and and and I already 1560 01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,360 Speaker 1: they're streaming, and already people are you can put on 1561 01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:00,519 Speaker 1: play left like I mean it is you. You're doing 1562 01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,280 Speaker 1: a thing where I think people are starting to appreciate 1563 01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:03,720 Speaker 1: you as an artist, which is hard to do. If 1564 01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,760 Speaker 1: you're coming for more, people know you doing something else, 1565 01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,599 Speaker 1: which is your acting. I think this takes that on immediately. 1566 01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:11,040 Speaker 1: That's right in the face. I mean, if I could, 1567 01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,080 Speaker 1: if I could do that for any amount, and if 1568 01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,439 Speaker 1: it's nowhere near fifty two. And by the way, I 1569 01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,800 Speaker 1: wrote a ma all, I co wrote them all. That's 1570 01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:22,200 Speaker 1: just that's saying something I mean. So it's I'm I 1571 01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:25,080 Speaker 1: gotta be honest. I'm I told you old I am. 1572 01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,639 Speaker 1: I'm at the foot of a mountain again and I'm 1573 01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:31,120 Speaker 1: looking up and I'm just starting to climb. And that's thrilling. 1574 01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:32,880 Speaker 1: I'm not one of those guys that want to be 1575 01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,280 Speaker 1: I've worked hard long enough. I'm done with it. I 1576 01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:38,920 Speaker 1: I love this, and I love the fact that you 1577 01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:40,680 Speaker 1: and I sitting right here don't know what will come 1578 01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,080 Speaker 1: of this. We don't know what will come of it 1579 01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,880 Speaker 1: in a month or a year, um any of it. 1580 01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,040 Speaker 1: If nothing comes of it, the music's all out of it. 1581 01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:48,960 Speaker 1: But meanwhile you're walking around. Every single song is a 1582 01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,920 Speaker 1: lottery ticket. I don't care if somebody here's one cuts it, 1583 01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:55,280 Speaker 1: and you know it does an unbelievable version of it 1584 01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,639 Speaker 1: that I could never imagine. Um, any there's I don't 1585 01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:00,559 Speaker 1: even know what's going to happen. All I know is 1586 01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,200 Speaker 1: that I can only be in control of what I'm 1587 01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:05,280 Speaker 1: control of, and that is making this music and sending 1588 01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:09,280 Speaker 1: it out there. And Nashville starts back in November. Actually, um, 1589 01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,519 Speaker 1: I believe they said the beginning of January, and I 1590 01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,160 Speaker 1: start back tomorrow. I shoot my first scene to January. 1591 01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,920 Speaker 1: Why do I think November? Um, I don't know. There 1592 01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,080 Speaker 1: was there was talk of December, but it wasn't my talk. 1593 01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,639 Speaker 1: Well that's also not November. Twice you just couldn't wait. 1594 01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,479 Speaker 1: It's January. You were thinking of Thanksgiving and gratitude. That 1595 01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,960 Speaker 1: the gratitude that I have for you for sitting in 1596 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,880 Speaker 1: a bedroom here at my house. Hey we have Do 1597 01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,360 Speaker 1: you have cushy chairs that rock? This is cushy. This 1598 01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:37,559 Speaker 1: is the most comfortable interview I have ever been in. 1599 01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:39,600 Speaker 1: This sincerely, the fact that I'm still await this is 1600 01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,000 Speaker 1: so comfortable. I appreciate it. Hanging for an hour and 1601 01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,800 Speaker 1: just talking like this is my favorite thing to do, 1602 01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:50,960 Speaker 1: Like just get down, learn understand. I like this podcast 1603 01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,639 Speaker 1: because it's it allows you to what what was the version? 1604 01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,960 Speaker 1: You get a different version of it's like, um, slower, 1605 01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,920 Speaker 1: you can you can go down paths and abbey way 1606 01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,160 Speaker 1: that you normally wouldn't have time for want to. I 1607 01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,559 Speaker 1: could take you on a boring and ordote or anecdote 1608 01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,000 Speaker 1: or two that we would add to cut from. Sometimes 1609 01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:08,519 Speaker 1: it's just how stories is. So that's why I like 1610 01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,280 Speaker 1: listening to them too, And so you're gonna get that 1611 01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:15,000 Speaker 1: next level. So thanks Nashville back in January, and uh, 1612 01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,479 Speaker 1: that's awesome. We're watching and the music's out there for 1613 01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,760 Speaker 1: it starts again stars Charles that's his performer name and 1614 01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,120 Speaker 1: his hashtag every single Friday. Let me say one more 1615 01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,240 Speaker 1: thing about Nashville. We we didn't get too much. Um. 1616 01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:31,000 Speaker 1: This will be about the show. Okay, I'm really this 1617 01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,960 Speaker 1: is not like going to c MT and these new writers. 1618 01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,600 Speaker 1: This is not like a tact on extra year to 1619 01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:38,559 Speaker 1: a show that by all right, I didn't know that. 1620 01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,200 Speaker 1: That's what it feels like it could be. No, that's 1621 01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:43,400 Speaker 1: that's what it might have been and could have been. 1622 01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:45,800 Speaker 1: I totally get that, honest goodness. As much as I 1623 01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,439 Speaker 1: love the show, I wouldn't have wanted to do that. 1624 01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to tackle on and out a year 1625 01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,280 Speaker 1: beyond what it is. Uh, this is at the beginning. 1626 01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:53,800 Speaker 1: I sat the beginning of my Mountain. Again, this is 1627 01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:57,760 Speaker 1: a new thing. These writers have a new take on 1628 01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,439 Speaker 1: this show. But when I say a new take, it's 1629 01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,640 Speaker 1: almost there. It will take not look even this right 1630 01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,400 Speaker 1: what we're doing right here as a more lyrically paste 1631 01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,760 Speaker 1: and you can wander and meander and and touch on 1632 01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:12,439 Speaker 1: some things that you couldn't on on Well, I can't 1633 01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:14,439 Speaker 1: tell you you can't do, because you do whatever you 1634 01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,439 Speaker 1: want on your show. But I just generally mean in 1635 01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:21,320 Speaker 1: the format of radio broadcast radio, well, what's the exact 1636 01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:24,559 Speaker 1: same thing with network TV. You have to you have there, 1637 01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,320 Speaker 1: there's things you have to do, there's masters, you have 1638 01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,080 Speaker 1: to serve, you have to flip a truck or two, 1639 01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,160 Speaker 1: you have to uh, you know, fall off a building 1640 01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,920 Speaker 1: or two. There's and these things that Um, I'm I'm 1641 01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,240 Speaker 1: real pleased for the four years we had and very grateful. 1642 01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,200 Speaker 1: But in this other setting, whether it's CMT and these 1643 01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,800 Speaker 1: new writers, I think that we can go back to 1644 01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,599 Speaker 1: some of the stuff that not only was initially drew 1645 01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:46,320 Speaker 1: people to the show, but I always think it was 1646 01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:49,480 Speaker 1: the real heart of the show. Anyway, we were sometimes 1647 01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,599 Speaker 1: competing in an arena that we weren't wasn't our strength, 1648 01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:56,400 Speaker 1: It wasn't our forte to compete with a show um 1649 01:14:56,439 --> 01:15:01,400 Speaker 1: that can be so um incredibly. I'm uh. There's so 1650 01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,320 Speaker 1: many things that go on on some of these shows, 1651 01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:05,400 Speaker 1: on these network shows, and we were doing that too. 1652 01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,599 Speaker 1: But I thought the thing and that's what makes them great, 1653 01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,160 Speaker 1: But that's never was what made us great. What made 1654 01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:12,280 Speaker 1: us great, what what attached people to us and made 1655 01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,880 Speaker 1: him not let go, was those tiny little moments, those 1656 01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,360 Speaker 1: little looks between Deacon and Rain or that or that 1657 01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:21,560 Speaker 1: little sad moment between you know, whether it was Juliet 1658 01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:24,280 Speaker 1: or something like that. As those moments of connection and 1659 01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:27,080 Speaker 1: those those more real moments, I think we're gonna be 1660 01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,880 Speaker 1: able to get to do a lot more of those, 1661 01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:31,679 Speaker 1: and the whole thing is gonna be able to breathe 1662 01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:35,480 Speaker 1: a little bit. It's gonna it's like an old time lemonade, 1663 01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,760 Speaker 1: that lemonade stand that we first were for a little bit. 1664 01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,000 Speaker 1: We ended up having to make a lot more lemonade 1665 01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:44,360 Speaker 1: at a much bigger scale, quicker pace. Yeah, and even 1666 01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,479 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I don't I'm not disrespecting what we did, 1667 01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,479 Speaker 1: but I'm just saying that this the nature of the 1668 01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:54,400 Speaker 1: Beast was that you had to do a network television 1669 01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:57,439 Speaker 1: show at a network television pace. Yeah, and and we 1670 01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:59,679 Speaker 1: loved getting to do it, and they were fantastic while 1671 01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:02,040 Speaker 1: we got to do it. But it's like, oh, what 1672 01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,720 Speaker 1: are we gonna get to do now? Well, is there 1673 01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:06,920 Speaker 1: anything you want to say? Because we rather that Connie 1674 01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,840 Speaker 1: only signed up for half the season. I'm not allowed 1675 01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,080 Speaker 1: to comment on any of that because that that leads 1676 01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,680 Speaker 1: to her storyline, and all that all I can do 1677 01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:18,120 Speaker 1: is comment backwards and and you know, I mean, how 1678 01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:21,840 Speaker 1: much uh she was the day I met her. This 1679 01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:23,160 Speaker 1: is the worst line in the world. But it was 1680 01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,000 Speaker 1: truer than a Kobe. So I said, I said, there's 1681 01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,200 Speaker 1: a million reasons I'm excited to do this show, and 1682 01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:28,640 Speaker 1: you're a couple of hundred of them. I was a 1683 01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,920 Speaker 1: huge Friday Night Lights fan. She is going to be 1684 01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,320 Speaker 1: there tomorrow when I go to work, and she's been 1685 01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,080 Speaker 1: there every day until now. And I could not act. 1686 01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,000 Speaker 1: I could not bring that up. No, no, no no, I wouldn't. 1687 01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,000 Speaker 1: I would have drive out here going I couldn't. Don't 1688 01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,600 Speaker 1: even ask. Yeah. I have also become personal friends with 1689 01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:53,080 Speaker 1: Connie and man, what a strong And I'm like, I 1690 01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:55,120 Speaker 1: don't even say a strong woman, because I don't want 1691 01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,760 Speaker 1: to disrespect women. Right, She's just one of the strongest 1692 01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:05,080 Speaker 1: people and one of you have a conversation and you 1693 01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:08,960 Speaker 1: just kind of fall into it with her. I completely agree. 1694 01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,800 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what more than that. Throughout all 1695 01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:14,559 Speaker 1: these years of what we've been doing, one of the 1696 01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,599 Speaker 1: one of the true north of the show was Callie Curry. 1697 01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,200 Speaker 1: Whenever she would direct her, whenever she would write an episode, 1698 01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,439 Speaker 1: I always could feel the whole thing come more back 1699 01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:24,720 Speaker 1: towards true north, Like on your compass of what the 1700 01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,679 Speaker 1: show is best at, what it's meant to be, Connie 1701 01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:31,720 Speaker 1: is that as well. Connie Um would always have a 1702 01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,120 Speaker 1: clear vision of what this should be and what we 1703 01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:38,160 Speaker 1: were doing, and Um she was for me. I give 1704 01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,280 Speaker 1: her so much credit for anything I've ever been able 1705 01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,120 Speaker 1: to do on the show because she's an absolute truth 1706 01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:43,800 Speaker 1: detector or maybe that's a nice way of saying a 1707 01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:45,920 Speaker 1: bullshit detect her big time and with me too, like 1708 01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:50,479 Speaker 1: she's called me out on She's passionate and she's very 1709 01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,719 Speaker 1: much here's what I am and that's it. And also 1710 01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,439 Speaker 1: even in terms of her acting, it's just real. She's 1711 01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,679 Speaker 1: just talking. I remember, I think it was first season, 1712 01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:02,960 Speaker 1: but I realized that if you're talking to her in 1713 01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:06,040 Speaker 1: a scene, and it's very hard not to add your 1714 01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,200 Speaker 1: little things that you think are gonna make you look 1715 01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:11,160 Speaker 1: cool or make the line sound really good. And so 1716 01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,559 Speaker 1: you create this little primrose path that you might walk 1717 01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,280 Speaker 1: down for how the scene will play the best. But 1718 01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:18,439 Speaker 1: that's not being in the moment, and that's not being real. 1719 01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:19,880 Speaker 1: And I don't know how she's going to react to 1720 01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:21,240 Speaker 1: something I said, So how can I know how I'm 1721 01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,720 Speaker 1: gonna react to her reaction? So it forced you to 1722 01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:25,920 Speaker 1: let all that go, because the second I didn't let 1723 01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:29,559 Speaker 1: it go, if I ever said something her truthfulness would 1724 01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,760 Speaker 1: make me sound so damned phony that I'd go, let's 1725 01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:34,599 Speaker 1: try that again. Stop, I can't do it that way, 1726 01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,160 Speaker 1: and I would just And so remember one time, this 1727 01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:38,800 Speaker 1: was it in a nutshell that we did. We were 1728 01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:40,960 Speaker 1: doing some scenes and she did all her coverage and 1729 01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:42,880 Speaker 1: it was my turn, and it was feeling good. It 1730 01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,880 Speaker 1: was fine. And uh and finally, um, we had a 1731 01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,240 Speaker 1: great director too, but he worked back and he's going 1732 01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:50,559 Speaker 1: to the back to the video village and and we're 1733 01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:52,559 Speaker 1: about to stay action again. I just leaned over to her. 1734 01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:54,760 Speaker 1: I go, I just wasn't bend it all the way, 1735 01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:56,920 Speaker 1: and I said, just give me something, give me something, 1736 01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,960 Speaker 1: give me not say something, make me be better, you know, 1737 01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,840 Speaker 1: real quickly, and she smiles. She goes just talk to me, 1738 01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:08,439 Speaker 1: and I was like, m damn it, yes, yes, exactly that. 1739 01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:12,360 Speaker 1: It's so obvious, but it's so brilliant. And so we 1740 01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:13,960 Speaker 1: did that take and she says her thing, and I 1741 01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:17,000 Speaker 1: just talked to her and it's like that that again 1742 01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:20,400 Speaker 1: and again that. But it takes somebody uh strong, uh, 1743 01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,840 Speaker 1: both mentally and you know, mostly every other way to 1744 01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:25,200 Speaker 1: remember that and to hold their guns and always be that. 1745 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:30,240 Speaker 1: It's back in January. Uh, Chips got songs every Friday 1746 01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:32,559 Speaker 1: for the next ten years. He's claimed it here. He's 1747 01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:36,120 Speaker 1: going to do this for ten years, every single day. 1748 01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,320 Speaker 1: It's every single Friday until it's stupid. And I don't 1749 01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,799 Speaker 1: know it might already be, but until I think it's stupid. 1750 01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,559 Speaker 1: I think it's like I told you privately, was I 1751 01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,200 Speaker 1: think as an artist, you're showing something here that people 1752 01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:52,719 Speaker 1: didn't know you were, and so you're consistently putting out 1753 01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:56,680 Speaker 1: new music. You're showing that you are Okay, yeah, you're 1754 01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,200 Speaker 1: deacon on Nashville, you're this, here, that, but you're also 1755 01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:01,760 Speaker 1: an artist and play live shows and you you know, 1756 01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,719 Speaker 1: for people to be able to see versatility is tough 1757 01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,800 Speaker 1: because they start to put people in rolls and you're 1758 01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,719 Speaker 1: doing something that's kind of hard for people to understand 1759 01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,080 Speaker 1: it first. But I think people are finally getting it now. 1760 01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,639 Speaker 1: I'll tell you one more thing, the real already though. 1761 01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,920 Speaker 1: It's it's it's been so cool because you've seen this 1762 01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,000 Speaker 1: and now I've finally seen it after all these years 1763 01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:22,799 Speaker 1: of playing here in a round town and around the country. 1764 01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:24,920 Speaker 1: I played shows now for the last couple of weeks, 1765 01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:26,920 Speaker 1: and as I'm singing a song I love, I see 1766 01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,400 Speaker 1: it on their lips. It's the coolest thing ever. It's 1767 01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,559 Speaker 1: the cool thing ever. Yeah, so it's nuts. So already 1768 01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:37,800 Speaker 1: I wind all right, there is Chip Veston or is 1769 01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:41,599 Speaker 1: it makes me call him off the microphone, Charlie. Thank 1770 01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:43,320 Speaker 1: you for being here on the Bobby becaust dude. I 1771 01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:44,439 Speaker 1: hope you had fun. This is a lot of fun 1772 01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:47,040 Speaker 1: for me to sit back and and and talk it out. 1773 01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:49,600 Speaker 1: Thank you, man. Mike Wanna, we never went to we 1774 01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,559 Speaker 1: got lost. Anything you want to ask the ship before 1775 01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,280 Speaker 1: we go. Just thanks for talking about Holdown. That was 1776 01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:57,800 Speaker 1: my favorite bit ever. I was geeking out a bit. Yeah, alright, well, 1777 01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:02,480 Speaker 1: thank you. I appreciate it, alright. Hashtag every single Friday 1778 01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,599 Speaker 1: again Charles Eston. And he's got new music every Friday. 1779 01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:07,920 Speaker 1: And there's a light out there already. And he's also 1780 01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:10,400 Speaker 1: on the road a lot playing You, and Claire are 1781 01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:13,000 Speaker 1: playing You and all. We're in New Jersey on I 1782 01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,400 Speaker 1: don't know when this airs, it'll it'll be up tonight, 1783 01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:17,439 Speaker 1: but it'll be up forever. So he'll be in New 1784 01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:21,320 Speaker 1: Jersey soon and they're probably again again. All right, thank 1785 01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:22,439 Speaker 1: you guys, and we'll talk to you soon.