WEBVTT - Ep. 272: Render - Shoes vs. Boots, Moose Paddle, and Bear's Deer Camp 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.239 My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:21.400 the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:25.760 we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:30.600 of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f h 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:35.360 F Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.559 that's designed to be as rugged as the place as 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:47.720 we explore. I want to pull the group here about something. 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:53.600 Should I tell the world that I'm writing a book 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:56.960 if it's a year to a year and a half 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:58.000 out from being published. 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.440 Yes, Gosh, I can't think of a good reason why 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:03.720 you wouldn't been. 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:05.839 Whatever your publishers say. 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.560 Okay, publisher Bear, what do you think I would say, 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:10.160 go for it? Might as well kind. 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:13.840 Of gary, yeah, tell them, Yeah, I don't think. 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:20.160 Guess why your very own Clay Knook is deep in 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.880 the heart of a process for writing a book. What 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:25.320 made me think of it was on the screen right there, 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:29.080 was like, you know, writing, And I was actually with 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:33.679 Giannis Putellis the other day and he he was just like, Clay, 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:35.720 you got to tell the world because I've kind of 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:38.920 not told the world even though it is public knowledge. 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.520 Because when you get a book contract with a publisher. 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:45.639 What the publisher does is they send out a memo 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:50.160 to the writing world, like the underworld that like normal people. 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:54.160 The CD underbelly of authors, Yeah, exactly, for real, Like 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.080 so it wouldn't be something that just like I would 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:01.920 be attuned to, but it's something that writers and publishers 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:02.800 would see. 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:08.480 And you do it to state claim on some topic. Yeah. 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:12.239 So the book, like, hey, I'm writing a cookbook. 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.680 The book, you know at this time is titled American Bear, 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:21.360 and that's known that was known a year ago, and 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.000 but I haven't talked about it because in my mind 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.720 it's like, am I going to start telling about the 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.000 research and what I'm doing? And you, honest we tell 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:33.919 us was like Clay, if every single podcast you talked 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:37.520 about really what you were learning for the next year, 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.520 you would not even touch the surface of what's in 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:44.320 the book, and you would build people's excitement towards it. 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:48.359 And so so here we go. I'm writing a book 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:52.000 and I'm I'm very excited about it. And really the 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:56.200 book is about the American Black Bear, and it's in 0:02:56.240 --> 0:03:01.040 it's trajectory in American history, which is an incredible that 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:06.280 I've never really I don't think anybody's ever like put 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:10.680 all the pieces together, and it's going back all the 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:15.800 way to deep indigenous worldviews on bear in the in 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:19.239 the first contact with with bears that we have documented, 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:21.920 all the way into the market hunting of black bears, 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:25.800 which is incredible with guys like Boone and Crockett and 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:30.480 Gershtocker and Native Americans who were massively involved in the 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:33.799 market hunting of black bears, coming all the way up 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:39.760 to the modern times of the black bear thriving. Whatever 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:43.080 is happening ecologically on planet Earth today has been beneficial 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.040 to the American black bear. There are eight species of 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.680 bears on planet Earth, and every one of them has 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:56.840 some level of imperiled status in the black bear. There 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:01.560 are more American black bears versus Americana. There are twice 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:05.800 as many as all the bear species of planets Earth combined. 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.600 So if there are you know, twenty five thousand polar 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:13.360 bears and two hundred thousand brown bears, and and you 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.640 know all the other there are eight species, one in 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:19.880 South America, multiple in Europe. If if you combine all 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.640 of them, they're twice as many black bears, and so 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.040 in a time, and this is why you're going to 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:30.919 buy the book Dad is in a time you're gonna 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:37.360 buy You're gonna buy Christmas for Bear, Ben and Josh 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:42.960 When in a time when all the media about planet 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:46.360 Earth is is ecological doom, which I mean is kind 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.479 of true. I mean, with the expansion of civilization and 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.080 they're being you know, approaching eight billion people on planet 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:53.960 Earth and the needs of all these people, there's there's 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:59.520 all this like ecological doom. But something crazy has happened 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:01.479 with the America black bear and they're springing up in 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:03.719 places they hadn't been in one hundred and fifty years, 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:08.600 and every researched population of bears is increasing or stable. 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:13.360 And it's a fascinating story about America's bear, which is 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.320 endemic to North America. 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.039 Well, I just thought it was amazing when you said 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.640 there's eight species of bears, Like of all the big 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.200 game animals, of all the cats and everything, I don't 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:25.280 know that there's any that have just that limited number 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:26.960 of species in that category. 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:30.880 Okay, again, I hope your honest is right about me 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.279 talking about this because I could talk about it for forever. 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:36.520 We'll quickly get to Ostiola. This episode is about Ostiola, 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:41.640 but in the fossil record, there have been hundreds hundreds 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:46.159 of bears that have come and gone that were gone 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:49.760 that we would have never even encountered. I mean, like 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.800 the fossil record is full of bears. And if you 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:59.680 were looking at time in like a like like geologic 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.760 time as opposed to time that really humans can comprehend 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:08.039 and understand. Bears are like on the decline. Just just 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.880 there used to be a hundred species. Now there's eight 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:14.480 and it and and that that's not fodder for like 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.880 not managing them and hunting them. It's actually more fodder 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.760 for like we need, we need, we need to help 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:23.840 them as much as we can, and for a black 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:28.120 bear that means you know, regulated hunting in places. But anyway, 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:32.080 it's just fascinating. So mark your calendars. 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:33.559 For one and a half years from today. 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.279 I mean, and I'm a year into this, I'm a 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.640 year into it. But but we're really turning up the dial. 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:45.480 So yeah, save your pennies and nickels so you can buy. 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.880 Save your pennies and nickels. It's gonna be it's it's 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:54.440 gonna be great. I'm gonna I'm gonna read the audiobook. Yeah, yeah, 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.760 it's gonna be good. Dad. Great to have you been 0:06:57.800 --> 0:06:59.240 a while since you've been up here. 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.160 Yeah, yeah, it's good to be here. I mean I was. 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:07.239 I felt like I had been fired. 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:13.520 It felt so good. Really, I mean, you know, I'm retired, 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.040 I'm free. You can't really let glove on me. 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.240 A good thing about it, A good thing about the 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.880 renders if you get fired, you never know. Yeah, it's 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.480 kind of like, don't show back up. No, man, we 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.800 just we just invite hey, just. 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.440 Don't worry about me. Just use me. Just call me 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:31.160 when you need me. 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:36.080 We need you, We need you for Osceola. This this 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.800 is to me one of the most like when I 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:44.040 rank in my mind the work done for a Beargrease 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:47.880 documentary style podcasts, it's not so much about like which 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.640 one is my favorite or which one, but but I 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:54.200 really kind of have a mechanism for just ranking the 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.760 quality of them. And it has to do with the guests, 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.240 It has to do with the story, It has to 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:03.080 do with inten things that happen inside the interviews. It 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:07.960 has to do with a lot of times just the 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.920 cultural touch points that the story touches that we kind 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:14.280 of go into and and then it then it goes 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.600 back to really how well, Like if someone listened to 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:21.520 these three episodes and knew nothing of Ostiola, Like what 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:25.400 would they learn? Would they really learn? Because there's sometimes 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:27.400 with historic characters that I feel like we kind of 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:30.400 just did like an okay job. Maybe it was entertaining 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.520 and fun, but man, I felt like this one was 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.600 like top shelf. And it was because of doctor Patricia Wickman. 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:36.640 For sure. 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:38.640 She was good, really good. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.440 Oh. I talked to her for four hours, you know, 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.800 and we're going to end up here in probably two 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:49.360 total hours of what she said, and I mean just 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:53.920 a unbelievable I said it over and over, but it 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:58.640 was she she has an unbelievable passion, ability to retain 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.800 knowledge and just a lie a career, like a forty 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:05.080 year span. She wrote this book right here when she 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:11.280 was in college in the nineteen seventies. Her thesis, her thesis. Yeah, 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:13.880 it's like there was so much. Yeah, her dissertation was 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.920 on ostiola, and so she wrote this book and it 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.520 was it's like just stacked. I mean it's like reading 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:24.520 a you know, a medical manuscript, you know, just just 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:29.560 stacked with information. And uh. And then as if that 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.920 wasn't good enough. She came back and wrote the revised edition, 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:35.120 which she was adamant. 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:37.719 Quite a bit thicker. Oh, it's like she's added quite 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:37.920 a bit. 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:41.880 It's like a lot thicker. And when I went to 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.760 see her dad, she was adamant that I read this 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.640 one and not this one, really because I had read 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:50.360 this one. And she was like, oh no, no, no, no, 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.240 don't you come to Florida without reading. 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:55.400 Honey. 0:09:55.960 --> 0:10:01.240 Honey almost here saying that, oh yeah, she did, and 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.440 uh and and it was like two days before I 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:08.120 was supposed to go to Florida, So I I don't 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:11.520 tell her I read most of it. Well, you did 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:12.280 read I. 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.959 Thought it was in the interview. In the interview, you. 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.480 Said I read this today, and I thought, oh man, 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:19.200 you almost got yourself in trouble there. 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:23.040 I was cramming. I was cramming because she she was 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:26.840 so sweet, though I appreciated her directness at times, it's 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:28.320 going like, no, you don't understand. 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:32.319 You know what what made her to me so effective? 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.400 And it's sort of a lesson in life. And you 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.960 can't you can't create it. I mean, it's got to 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.880 be natural. But her little giggle, her little I mean, 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:44.160 it just took a pH d full of knowledge and 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:46.920 put her kind of in the coffee shop, you know. 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.840 Yeah, and uh, it was just beautiful really yeah. 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:54.080 And with that, without the smiles and the giggles, you know, 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.040 it would have been good, but not great like it 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:58.720 ended up, I'd say for sure. 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.440 And her reprimand I appreciated all the reprimands she gave, 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.240 her smiles, giggles, and she was like. 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.680 Like put your put your coffee cup on the coaster. Yeah, 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:11.640 like you know, she was. She was very serious about. 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.960 I liked when she when he mentioned about about the 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:18.440 slaves assimilating into she was like no, no, no, no 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:22.560 no no no no no no. 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:26.000 No no no, honey, yeah, yeah, you know, I left 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.280 some of that stuff in very much on purpose. And 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.160 I hope it doesn't embarrass her because I was actually 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.960 doing it because it was so I thought it was 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:39.440 so cool and and it really showed who she was, 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:43.840 you know. And uh, and then just I didn't know 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:47.800 a lot about her, and the more I talked to her, 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.200 the more I saw just you know, I think I 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.680 used in the podcast the term she was a real gangster, 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.840 I mean, meaning she was just like legit, like she 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.760 lived with the Seminoles. She you know, when I when 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:06.600 I brought up that Osceola had been taken to a 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:10.240 broad like a play in Charleston while he was in prison. 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:12.199 Don't divulge too much of that. We've got some good 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:13.000 trivia this week. 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:17.839 Oh well, she was like, you know what he did? 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:21.480 And I went to the New York Museum and copied 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:26.439 the entire play, went back to Charleston, invited the Seminoles up, 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:30.280 and we did a reading in the theater yep for them. 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:32.960 The Flora sent carnations. I mean, it was just like 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.280 it's like, wow, this this woman's been there, you know, 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.320 and of I'm kind of just going on and on, 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:43.080 but I like it when a story. I think that's 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.920 what makes a good story too, is that the story. 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.600 This was about Ostiola, but it was kind of fun 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.959 to get a little window into doctor Wickman. So it 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:52.960 was exciting. 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:53.440 Yeah. 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:57.160 So that was the first introduction. Bear new comes here. 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:00.079 Good to see a bear. Nice shoes, thank you. I 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.560 mean I don't they don't. I don't really approve of them, 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:08.120 like uh well, I mean you follow, they look really 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:13.880 up in front, they look really good, really stylish. But 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:16.240 as you know, I think a grown man ought to 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.480 be wearing leather, leather boots of some kind of like 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.160 eighty percent of his life. I'm sorry, it's not it's 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:26.480 not right, but it's not wrong, and my dad would 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:30.000 have disagreed with me. Dad always thought I was kind 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.719 of a dressed like a hillbilly. Some of us are 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:33.920 trying to look nice. 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.000 But putting in some effort. 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:39.800 No, you look great, but I just don't want to, 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:41.680 you know, I don't want to make you feel too great. 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:43.880 It does break the cardinal rule that we've had in 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.080 our family that no one is allowed to have white 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:46.600 things here. 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:48.720 Yeah, yeah, good luck with that, buddy. 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:50.760 Well on our dirt road. But they look good. 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:52.800 You're becoming his own man is. 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:59.360 Yeah, needs a haircut? Yeah, just no. I'm proud of you, bear, 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:02.760 Ben Lagron, Good to have you back. Ben's been on 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:07.320 here many times, former history teacher, doing all kind of stuff. 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.040 I'm interested to hear your take on Ostiola. Did you 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:12.119 know much about Ostiola? 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.760 Well that it has to do with being a history teacher. 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:17.800 When you're a history teacher, you got to know a 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.000 little bit of a lot of things. And that's why 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.680 I enjoyed listening to her. Because you always get a 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:27.760 deeper appreciation that every story has so many layers of complexity. 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:29.000 And I enjoyed listen to her. 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.480 Yeah cool. Also, so what what yeah you got? 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.120 I just want to point out before we get to serious, 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:38.440 I am a sneakers man, beer skinny guy's gotta stick 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:41.720 together and be you know, Clay always says, you. 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:46.680 Just got you just got moved all the category heavyweight people. 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.400 I'll be honest. I can't wear big heavy boots all 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:51.760 day like I'm so. 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:52.880 Small, You're not strong enough. 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.960 I'm not strong enough. But here's what Here's what I 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.480 do have is that I can always run really fast 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:02.400 in these shoes. Well, and I am a. 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.360 Fast until I take my boots off, and then I'm like, 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.800 who It's true because you know it's like where it 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.440 weighted ankle weights, you know, and then when you take 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:12.480 them off you can run like. 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:13.280 That, right, that's right. 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:15.560 The conditioning good point. 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:19.960 Well, no, that's maybe. And grease color I've noticed that. 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:24.280 Just pick that too. Yeah, yeah, Josh, good to see you. Thanks, 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.080 doctor mister Nukem. Great to see you, very good to 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:32.240 see you. Today is Misty's anniversary. How many years? Twenty 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.960 four years twenty four years. Were married in the year 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.960 of two thousand. How would you say that in a 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:44.720 more uh, the year of our two thousand, like two 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:49.640 dominate twenty odd or something. You know, No, mistery and 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:57.000 I have been. We got married in the kind of the. 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:56.760 The post prime of your life. 0:15:56.600 --> 0:16:00.360 The prime of our lives, but the latter end of 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:05.280 the white tail rut. I remember I told Jeff Cunningham, 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.920 who was my one of my best friend's dads at 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.160 the time. I told him that I was getting married 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.400 on November eighteenth, and he was like, you're going to 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:18.560 regret that. He's like, He's like, I'm going to have 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.280 to come in from deer camp to come to your wedding, Jeff, 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:23.320 and he did. 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:27.920 And you have regretted. No, you've not regretted getting married, 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:31.880 but that the timing. We never celebrate our anniversary on 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:35.800 the day or anywhere near it. We actually up six 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.120 months earlier or six months later, depend on how. 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:41.760 Well, Hey, you know what it goes without and redo 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:43.720 it like in Midsummer. 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:45.800 Josh, you just that just as a slap in the 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:47.320 face to what I was just about to say. That 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:51.560 very serious, never mind, Gary Newcomb taught me from the 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.080 time was what two? I mean, like, before I could 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.800 say dad die, he said, don't ever say the word 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:58.360 divorce in this house, did you not? 0:16:59.000 --> 0:16:59.680 I sure did? 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:03.240 I mean, Jesus, we don't use that word. We don't 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:03.800 even say it. 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:08.119 Josh, Sorry, I said it. I take it all back. 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.600 No, No, I was going to say, we I really do. 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:15.679 I mean, it's it's a big deal to be married 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:19.680 to somebody committed for decades. It's a big deal. So 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:25.800 something we on for sure. Absolutely, Yep, it's great. 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.919 Speaking of did you all get the same ads that 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:32.280 I got in the Bear Grease in this in this 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:35.560 podcast where Clay said what he was thankful for? 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:36.480 Yeah? 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:37.159 Yeah. 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.720 I actually didn't know where it was going because he 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.520 started off saying, this is basically an ad for better help, 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.640 and then he said I'm thankful for Misty. 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:47.800 I was like, shot. 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:51.600 Or she or she calls me to have therapy. 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:52.960 I think that's where I was going. 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:57.160 I'm thankful for a misty, But I have to talk 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:59.240 about it a lot. Can we talk? 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:04.720 Can we talk about the c D underbelly of podcast ads? Yeah? Yeah, 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.600 they they send you these these ads that you read, 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.399 but then they say that they'll tell you things to 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:15.679 like talk about. Like they'll say, tell someone that, and 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.680 sometimes the connection is not always there. For me, it's 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:22.040 like a cold open like tell about someone in your life, 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.080 a relationship in your life that you're thankful for. And 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:27.919 so it's like, okay, so I talked about mysty and 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.520 then it's like, if you want someone in your life 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.280 to help you, you know, call betterhelp dot com. 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.120 Yeah, then you said I'm thankful for myself. 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:43.000 Oh yeah, they they that was that was part part 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:47.040 of their deal. Like this month was that this idea 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:48.760 that you know, like it's okay to. 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:51.199 Like it's it's like the month of self gratitude, right, 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:53.600 gratitude and self care or something like that. 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:57.320 Yeah, I'm not I'm not into that word self care. 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:02.359 It's a little a little little self aggrandizing, I don't know, 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.400 like a little selfie selfie. Yeah, it's it's just kind 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.159 of like trendy in the age to be like you 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:08.920 got to take care of yourself. I mean you do, 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.320 but we don't have to talk about it. 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.200 But thanks Better Help for advertising. 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:18.520 Actually, I think it's a great service. I mean I 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:19.040 really do. 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:19.480 Uh. 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:24.000 My brothers are both therapists or in the therapist adjacent world, 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:28.840 and uh, I think it's actually I think I think 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:30.760 it's actually a really good service that you could call 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.679 somebody and have a kind of an unbiased opinion. So 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:36.520 use clay at your cheery. 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:41.399 Yeah they did not that that was unscripted. 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:42.320 Yeah, yeah, there you go. 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:52.560 I got a funny story. You see this moose antler 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:56.320 right here, there's a moose antler behind me. So I 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:58.679 hunted the last couple of years with Steve Vanella and 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:01.879 Alaska for moose at really the day that we're recording this, 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:03.960 so when it comes out, it'll be out. There's the 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:07.280 video on the med Eat YouTube channel of the rough 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.359 cuts called Steve Vanilla rough Cuts of us moose hunting 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:14.199 in Alaska two years ago and when the when the 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:18.760 plane flew over to come get us, or when he left, 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:23.879 the pilot saw a moose paddle and he would later 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:26.280 try to describe to us when he came back kind 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:28.360 of where it was. He was like, it's like out there, 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:30.160 but it was like a quarter mile from the camp, 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:32.080 and we went looking for it, couldn't find it. Long 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.560 story short, when Steve went back to Alaska this year 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.560 without me, they found the moose handler that was by 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:40.400 camp and he sent it to me, which I thought 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:42.399 was really cool. Yeah, he shipped it in like a 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:44.280 giant box and sent me that moose. 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:45.200 Nice. 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:49.800 Okay, they had killed a moose and Brody Henderson had 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:53.200 killed a moose, and so that antler had a big 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:56.879 splotch of blood on it, and they didn't clean it 0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:58.159 when they sent it. They just put it in a 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:00.960 box and sent it. When it came to my house, 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:05.359 we took it out of the box and put it 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:09.199 on the fireplace. This is a complicated story, Okay, just 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:10.560 hang with me. He's worth it. 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:13.320 I think it's easier than you think. I think we're 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:13.920 all trying. 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:18.920 The moose is on our wood stove. Above the wood 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.120 stove is the moose that I killed the year before, 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:25.880 which is giant hanging on the wall as a euro mount. 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:28.719 Many times in our family we've talked about what if 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:32.080 that moose fell off the wall, And if you were 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:35.600 sitting underneath that moose and it fell like seven feet 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:39.640 and came down on you, it would likely kill you. 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.880 It could kill you, You could hurt you. My daughter River 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.359 Nukem walks into our house. 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:47.560 That she walks out of her bedroom which is upstairs. 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:49.879 She okay, she walks out of her bedroom and looks 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:51.800 down into our living. 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:53.439 Room, and Clay and I are usually sitting in the 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:55.879 living room every morning when she wakes up to go 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:57.919 to work, we're having coffee. So that's what she was 0:21:57.960 --> 0:21:59.960 expecting to see, was us sitting there. 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:04.560 And she sees a moose antler laying underneath the big 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:10.520 moose with blood on it. She said that for like 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:15.160