WEBVTT - “I STABBED MYSELF BUT NOW I'M CHILLING”

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, what's up is this Charles.

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<v Speaker 2>Ave It?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>This is the gecko guy?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>What the fuck? What's up?

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<v Speaker 2>Man? Dude? How you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing good? How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? I just pulled into the liquor store. I got

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<v Speaker 3>done grocery shopping.

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<v Speaker 1>How what did you get?

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<v Speaker 3>I went to Sam's Club, So just bulk stuff like

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<v Speaker 3>paper towels and spounges and shit.

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<v Speaker 1>How many paper towels? Uh? Came in the bulk paper

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<v Speaker 1>towel unit that you guys?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's like a forty pack?

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<v Speaker 1>Forty pack? How long do you think that'll last you?

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<v Speaker 2>A year?

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<v Speaker 3>Probably like three months? Four months?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? What are you using all those paper towels on?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean my girlfriend has a really bad habit spilling stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>so instead of dirty and rags, she just likes to

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<v Speaker 3>grab paper towels.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think the onus of environmental conservation is on

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<v Speaker 1>the people or or on like the governments and the corporations.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not a big paper towel person, but she needs them,

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<v Speaker 3>so that's why I get them. Same with paper plates.

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<v Speaker 3>I come home and there's paper plates in the cupboard

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<v Speaker 3>all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, I agree with that perspective. Anyway, Charles, your

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<v Speaker 1>name is Yeah, what's up?

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<v Speaker 2>Man? What I know?

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<v Speaker 3>So crazy? I've been listening to you for like since

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<v Speaker 3>the pandemic. I got into you, and then I showed

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<v Speaker 3>you to my girlfriend and she listens to you every

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<v Speaker 3>time you post a new one on her way to

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<v Speaker 3>work because she works down she like works an hour

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<v Speaker 3>away from where we live.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool. Well, what does she do?

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<v Speaker 3>She's like a Whole Foods like manager person. She works

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<v Speaker 3>at Whole Foods.

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<v Speaker 1>Does she come home a lot with like stories of

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<v Speaker 1>like people being shitty to her at Whole Foods?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, A bunch of like homeless people too, because it's

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<v Speaker 3>like right downtown, a bunch of homeless people that like

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<v Speaker 3>make shit all over the toilet seats and everything. It's

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<v Speaker 3>pretty gross me and customers. I hear that all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Also famous Beeple too tranded, Charlie Day not too long ago?

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<v Speaker 1>Really?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you guys in Los Angeles?

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<v Speaker 3>No, man, we're in Utah? Oh yeah, what.

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<v Speaker 1>Are all these famous people doing in Utah?

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<v Speaker 3>So surprisingly, there's like quite a bit of films I

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<v Speaker 3>get filmed around like Salt Lake and and like the

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<v Speaker 3>mountains and stuff, and like downtown like towards Provo, and

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of Ogden, like Ogden's where we're from, and

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<v Speaker 3>like Halloween's been filmed up here. Like, uh, there's this

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<v Speaker 3>Chivy Chase movie that was also filmed up here. Like

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of older like eighties and like mid nineties

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<v Speaker 3>movies were filmed in Augden. Dumb and Dumber was filmed

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<v Speaker 3>in Ogden and in Salt Lake.

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<v Speaker 1>Charles, you sent me a bunch of texts? Can I

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<v Speaker 1>read a few of them? Is that?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay? Yeah, that's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, some of them are a little uh, some of

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<v Speaker 1>them are at least a year old. But I'll bring Yeah, dude.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been trying to I've been I downloaded Twitch so

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<v Speaker 3>I could like get your messages and then like I

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<v Speaker 3>was sitting watching that, I'll call and I'll message. So

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<v Speaker 3>this is actually kind of crazy, man, like not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you know, I'm gonna I'll just start going through

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<v Speaker 1>the list because there's a lot of stuff here. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>first when you text me, was I stuck a knife

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<v Speaker 1>four inches into my chest last year?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? That did happen?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what was up with that?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>Let me go through the thought process of it all.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was in a really bad place in life,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was a severe, severe alcoholic, Like I like

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<v Speaker 3>to have a drink every now and then, like it's

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<v Speaker 3>the weekend, you know, So yeah, I like to have

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit of whiskey here in there. But I

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<v Speaker 3>was in a really abusive relationship with my ex and

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<v Speaker 3>she like beat the shit out of me and just

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<v Speaker 3>kind of treated me like absolute shit. And I hit

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<v Speaker 3>a one night there was just like the straw that

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<v Speaker 3>broke the camel's back. I had a drink like a

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<v Speaker 3>whole handle a jim Beam, and then like half a

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<v Speaker 3>big bottle of Nadrill, And I remember laying on the

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<v Speaker 3>couch and just grabbed the knife and I just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like I held it and then just stuck it

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<v Speaker 3>deep into my chest. I got a giant hole like

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<v Speaker 3>where it is like when I flexed my peck like

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<v Speaker 3>an indentse And yeah, I woke up in the ICU.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember seeing this old lady like telling me I

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<v Speaker 3>can't leave, and I kept telling her to fuck off,

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<v Speaker 3>and she's like, no, you can't leave.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like fuck you.

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<v Speaker 3>And then yeah, I woke up in the ICU with

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<v Speaker 3>I got a big zipper from my belly button into

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<v Speaker 3>my pubiccare from like they had to go there and

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<v Speaker 3>I got a big scar on my back where they

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<v Speaker 3>had to take a piece of my lung out everything.

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<v Speaker 3>It was. It's pretty gnarly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a great girlfriend now though, she's very supportive

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<v Speaker 3>and loving and wonderful person.

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<v Speaker 1>So you were drunk. So you were drunk and four

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<v Speaker 1>inches is no fucking joke. I mean that's really that's

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<v Speaker 1>in you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it was.

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<v Speaker 3>I punctured my diaphragm and like it was. It was

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<v Speaker 3>pretty I mean, it's a giant invent in my chest. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>And you woke up in the end, so somebody called, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was my ex and do you still have? Like

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<v Speaker 1>this was okay, So this was two years ago then,

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<v Speaker 1>because you sent me the text to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this was almost going on you almost going on

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<v Speaker 3>three years?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you uh do you still have? I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>know you still have the hole in your chest? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you are there any other like lasting things?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like kind of like I wouldn't say paralyzed, but

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<v Speaker 3>you know that feeling like when you sit on your

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<v Speaker 3>hands for too long or something and it goes asleep

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<v Speaker 3>and sal keenly. Yeah, that effect is still kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like underneath my bicep and like my peck and everything,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's like super sensitive to touch. Like my girlfriend

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<v Speaker 3>will be like laying on me and then like touch

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<v Speaker 3>it and it kind of like gives me a little jolty,

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<v Speaker 3>going m hm.

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<v Speaker 1>You sound like you're you're doing better now than you

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<v Speaker 1>were when you did that.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, wonderful. Man, I'm kicking ass. I've been at

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<v Speaker 3>my job for like five years now. I mean me

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<v Speaker 3>and this girl, my new girl. Uh, we've been together

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<v Speaker 3>about we're celebrating our two year anniversary coming up here

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<v Speaker 3>like next week.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's dope. Cool.

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<v Speaker 3>We've been trying to do all the fall stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm on the phone with the gek dude.

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<v Speaker 2>What's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you got you guys just like you guys go

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<v Speaker 1>to like the pumpkin patch and shit.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, she wants to go hit up a haunted house

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<v Speaker 3>tomorrow because we got them local and like corn mazes

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<v Speaker 3>and shit.

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<v Speaker 1>That's cool. How old is your girlfriend?

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<v Speaker 3>She's thirty one and got to be thirty two next months.

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<v Speaker 3>So early birthdays and I'm I'm I had thirty four.

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<v Speaker 3>I turned thirty five in May. When did you a

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<v Speaker 3>little older than most of the people out here on here?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like that. I feel like there's a

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<v Speaker 1>solid eighteen to forty.

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<v Speaker 3>Range going on, that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>When did you meet your girlfriend?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Where'd you meet her?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>I met her on Hinge?

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<v Speaker 1>Actually that's cool. I'm yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 3>She's originally from San Jose and she had moved out

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<v Speaker 3>here because she like was dating some dude and then

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<v Speaker 3>she moved out to like Salt Lake to be with him.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I guess he turned out to be a

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<v Speaker 3>total dirtbag and was kind of a piece of shit.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I was just I wasn't dating women for

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<v Speaker 3>a while after all that whole thing with my ex happened.

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<v Speaker 3>I was kind of like, you know, here and there dating,

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<v Speaker 3>But I had came across her on Hinge and we

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<v Speaker 3>like met and hung out and we kept doing that.

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<v Speaker 3>And then next thing, you know, like we're sitting there

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<v Speaker 3>talking and she's in a rough pot, like a rough patch,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was in a little studio and she ended

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<v Speaker 3>up hating to always stay with me, and she kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like gracefully moved her stuff in and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm cool with it, but I was like telling her, like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I just got out of this nutty, extra

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<v Speaker 3>like past relationship, so you know, things need to be

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<v Speaker 3>kind of these are the ground rules of kind of

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<v Speaker 3>how I am and everything. And she just she was

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<v Speaker 3>always there for me and just always caring and just

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<v Speaker 3>whatever I needed to talk like, she was there. And

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<v Speaker 3>next thing you know, it's like we're full blown living together.

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<v Speaker 3>And I got a bigger apartment in the same building

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<v Speaker 3>that we lived in, and we did that for like

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<v Speaker 3>the rest of my lease, and then just this year

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<v Speaker 3>we moved into a new two bedroom so it's a

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<v Speaker 3>bigger place. It's actually a lot nicer. So yeah, things

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<v Speaker 3>are going great.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro, that's awesome. I love this. I love I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>say this podcast is like it's a lot of it

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<v Speaker 1>is truly therapy for me because I'm I'm I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>terrified of like being I'm like, the idea of being

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<v Speaker 1>on hinge in my thirties just yeah, that fucking sounds awful.

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<v Speaker 1>But it worked out. But I'm like, Okay, it worked

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<v Speaker 1>out for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well, I feel like, I mean, I'm not to

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<v Speaker 3>sound conceded or anything. I feel like I'm a decent

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<v Speaker 3>looking dude. Like I'm six three, like two hundred pounds,

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<v Speaker 3>like I got green eyes. I'm a pretty decent looking dude.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess you could say so.

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<v Speaker 2>But and my girlfriend's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>So, like I said, not just sound conceited or anything,

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<v Speaker 3>but like the dating apps never really scared me or anything.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm honestly worse talking on the dating apps than I

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<v Speaker 3>am in person. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's probably most people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's weird, like you don't have the more context

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<v Speaker 3>of everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's see. Okay, so I'm gonna keep going down

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<v Speaker 1>the list.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>You texted me, Actually, you texted me all these on

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<v Speaker 1>the same day. You said, my dog is fourteen, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how I'm gonna handle him passing away.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>We he passed away in March of this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was my buddy. I got him since he

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<v Speaker 3>was a puppy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>It was It was really rough, and luckily Laurna was

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<v Speaker 3>there with me, so she u helped it with everything,

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<v Speaker 3>and I got a nice little cedar box and he

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<v Speaker 3>hangs out in the living room. With us all the time,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's it's still rough. Sometimes I'll go through pictures

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<v Speaker 3>and just like, look at all the fun times of

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<v Speaker 3>him in the in the river and just us hanging out,

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<v Speaker 3>and we would go to the bars together downtown and everybody,

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<v Speaker 3>like all the patrons would just love him, and he

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<v Speaker 3>would just love everyone there. So he was welcoming all

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<v Speaker 3>the bars downtown.

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<v Speaker 1>How about this? Uh, I need somebody. Then you then

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<v Speaker 1>you texted me this three months after texting me those things.

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<v Speaker 1>You said, I need some advice about being an adult.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, well, man, I'm barely remembering any of these honestly. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, fuck, are you an adult? I don't. We

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<v Speaker 3>don't have kids yet or anything, so I don't feel

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<v Speaker 3>like I'm adulting adult thing. But all my bills are

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<v Speaker 3>paid and I have a full time job and health

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<v Speaker 3>and dental and optic like insurance, So I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>I'm adulting enough at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. You know, and you don't remember, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>am I an adult? No, I feel like you're not

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<v Speaker 1>a real adult. I feel like the the level of

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<v Speaker 1>adultness that you are is directly, in my opinion, directly

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<v Speaker 1>proportional to the amount of things external to you that

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<v Speaker 1>require you to exist.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean having a child is the biggest one. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I got two twin cousins and they're twenty four and

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<v Speaker 3>one of them already has three children.

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<v Speaker 1>No shit, that's crazy, that's wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, he's already living the dad life at twenty four.

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<v Speaker 3>And at twenty four I was a major pothead and

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<v Speaker 3>also kind of a drug user back in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>So are you planning on having kids? Do you want?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that something you want? At some point?

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<v Speaker 3>We have talked about it, actually, you know, because we're

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<v Speaker 3>not getting any younger, and you know, we're both set

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<v Speaker 3>up pretty good with like our jobs and everything, and

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<v Speaker 3>we always want to pursue better like routes and all that.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's it's been in the it's been in the

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<v Speaker 3>works talking about it and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmmm hmm. What did you do You remember anything

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<v Speaker 1>about what you said you needed advice on for being

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<v Speaker 1>an adult when you sent this text?

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<v Speaker 3>I really don't, man, It was probably just one of

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<v Speaker 3>those like I heard you and I was just like

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<v Speaker 3>spam texting you. Yeah, so it was probably just one

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<v Speaker 3>of those stupid things. I don't I honestly never thought

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<v Speaker 3>I would get a call from the get go. This

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<v Speaker 3>is pretty nuts, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm gonna keep going. You said my girlfriend is

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<v Speaker 1>a witch?

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<v Speaker 2>What the fuck? Yeah? I don't remember any of these.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she kind of can be. This was when I

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<v Speaker 3>took mushrooms though, I had ate like an eighthick mushrooms,

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<v Speaker 3>and she had like came home from work and for

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<v Speaker 3>some reason, just like her whole face kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>kept morphing into that old witch lady from Snow White

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<v Speaker 3>and the Seven Doors, you know what I'm talking about,

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<v Speaker 3>with like the ward on her nose. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>she kind of kept morphing into that. So I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of I kept calling her a witch that night. So

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<v Speaker 3>I think this was around that time when all this

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<v Speaker 3>was going down.

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<v Speaker 2>Hm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>You seem like you got a good lie, you know, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that you seem like for having gotten drunk

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<v Speaker 1>and I got when you stab when you stab yourself

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<v Speaker 1>with the knife, were you like, were you trying to

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<v Speaker 1>kill yourself or were you just like.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm oh, yeah I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I was trying to I was trying to end it, man,

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<v Speaker 3>like I was. I was done. But then for some reason,

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<v Speaker 3>that old that old fucking lady. Like it was so weird,

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<v Speaker 3>Like you know what a ches like a cheese grader,

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<v Speaker 3>a metal cheese grad. Yeah, so you like flip it

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<v Speaker 3>on its side and then look in it and it

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<v Speaker 3>has all the holes and shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I was inside of a fucking cheese grader. And then

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<v Speaker 3>like at the end of it was like this old

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<v Speaker 3>lady and like a black coat and I couldn't really

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<v Speaker 3>see her face, and she kept telling me I couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>fucking leave and I kept saying, fuck you bitch, get

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<v Speaker 3>me out of here. And then yeah, next again, I

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<v Speaker 3>woke up in a nice U.

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<v Speaker 1>So, man, I and what this You were like you

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<v Speaker 1>were thirties, thirty one something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Ye, so yeah about thirty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, now you're you seem like you're doing pretty well.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you seem like you don't want to kill your No.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, life's fucking awesome. I've always thought life is beautiful,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know, it can it can be a bitch

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<v Speaker 3>at times. I mean, when isn't it. It's like everyone

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<v Speaker 3>has their problems, Like I mean, we just My mom's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of going through a tough time right now. She's

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<v Speaker 3>a she just got out of the ICU yesterday and

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<v Speaker 3>we went down and saw her in Salt Lake. So

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<v Speaker 3>she's not doing so well. So that's another worry to

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<v Speaker 3>my adultingness, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>But still, I mean, you're doing you're doing uh, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean all these things, right, I mean, you tried to

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<v Speaker 1>kill yourself three years ago, thirty one. Now you're doing now,

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<v Speaker 1>you seem like you're doing well. You seem like you

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<v Speaker 1>like life. You seem like you're not near doing that again.

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<v Speaker 1>Your dog passed away, which was I'm sure tough, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're still but you're still here. You're still here, You're

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<v Speaker 1>still doing it. I don't know, I'm inspired by your existence.

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<v Speaker 1>I really this is one of the things I like

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<v Speaker 1>doing about this show, and maybe one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 1>people like listening to is. I don't know, I just

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<v Speaker 1>there's something, really, there's just something reassuring about like observing

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<v Speaker 1>a life that's been like lived and and seeing it

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<v Speaker 1>presently just to be like, because because you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>you're in that thing where you want to kill yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>you really you just truly are doing it because you

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<v Speaker 1>you you can't bro yeah, you just you just can't

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<v Speaker 1>possibly imagine that there's a future in which you are.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want it to like fucking kill yourself. And

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<v Speaker 1>so it's yeah, and it's just cool. It's cool talking

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<v Speaker 1>to you and being like, oh, well you know you

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<v Speaker 1>there that exists.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just a whole conglomerate of things that led

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<v Speaker 3>up to that. Like I had just gotten back from Mexico,

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<v Speaker 3>and because I took a week vacation in Mexico, down

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<v Speaker 3>in Guadalaa or yeah, Gudalaa or something Gudala yeah, Guadalajara,

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<v Speaker 3>and the only ended up my job only paid me

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<v Speaker 3>like three days of vacation pay, and I ended up

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<v Speaker 3>flipping out and like walked out, which is the same

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<v Speaker 3>job I'm still at. And I it's funny, I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>ask for my job back. My boss called me literally

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<v Speaker 3>like two days after I got out of the hospital

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<v Speaker 3>and asked if I wanted to come back to work,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like, well, I got a funny story

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<v Speaker 3>for you, but just that, and then like I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>have a job at the moment, and I didn't want

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<v Speaker 3>to go on unemployment and then I was drinking like

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<v Speaker 3>a handle of whiskey a day, like and then just

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<v Speaker 3>completely out of it, and I didn't have a car.

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<v Speaker 3>I felt unmotivated. I felt just like a worthless piece

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<v Speaker 3>of shit that was just like existing and just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like after my ex was telling me that she was

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<v Speaker 3>fucking the neighbor and then she was fucking this dude.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm just drunk as fuck on whiskey. And I

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<v Speaker 3>grabbed a big bottle of Benagerial eight half of it

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<v Speaker 3>and then finished it with the rest of my handle

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<v Speaker 3>and I went in and grabbed the sharpest chef knife

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<v Speaker 3>that I have, and I just I sat there for

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<v Speaker 3>a minute and contemplated and contemplated. I was like slashing

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<v Speaker 3>it around my neck, so I kind of got some

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<v Speaker 3>scars on my neck. And then after that, I just

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<v Speaker 3>said fuck it and like I like drove it into

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<v Speaker 3>my chest and yeah, I remember a bunch of blood

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<v Speaker 3>coming out, and I said, I called her name, and

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<v Speaker 3>then next thing and I like blacked out and woke

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<v Speaker 3>up to then I see you, man, So yeah, I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Tried, you tried to quit. Yeah, you tried to quit

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<v Speaker 1>your job and quit life and you're yeah, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>and you're employed and alive.

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<v Speaker 3>Still yeah, man, kicking ass like and I got a

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<v Speaker 3>car now too, like and we got a cat. Our

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<v Speaker 3>cat's pretty cool. She's an asshole to me, but she

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<v Speaker 3>loves her mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, so what's up with the drinking? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you sober? Are you still? I'm not a beer now?

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<v Speaker 1>And then where you Atah?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like when don't get off work, I'll crack a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of beers. Like I'll have like two or three

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<v Speaker 3>when I get off work because I've been working like

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<v Speaker 3>ten twelve hour shifts for the past like two and

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<v Speaker 3>a half months now, so it's like, yeah, you get home,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll crack a beer and then usually on the weekends,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll get like a little bottle of whiskey and then

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<v Speaker 3>I'll just like kind of sip on it. Like my

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<v Speaker 3>girlfriend got these little ice cubes. Then when you fill

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<v Speaker 3>them up, they turned into little bulldogs. So I'll like

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<v Speaker 3>put it in a rock glass with my bulldog ice

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<v Speaker 3>cube and then like sip on some whiskey and watch

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<v Speaker 3>some YouTube or podcasts, you know, listening to music.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're not you're not getting dark with it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, no, not anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the mushrooms have really fucking been great to me

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<v Speaker 3>as well too.

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<v Speaker 1>Got Yeah, how often you do you do in the shrooms.

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<v Speaker 3>I went on a bender two weekends ago where I

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<v Speaker 3>took like, I took a couple of grams because we

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<v Speaker 3>went to a concert and I didn't want to be

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<v Speaker 3>all trippy trippy. And then after that I left and

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<v Speaker 3>I went over to my homies and got more and

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<v Speaker 3>then ate him, and then I think it was like

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<v Speaker 3>the weekend after that, I took like seven grams and

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<v Speaker 3>literally had an ego desk and fucking this golden fucking

0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:55.439
<v Speaker 3>flying eagle thing touched my shoulder and sent me on

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<v Speaker 3>another trip to I don't know where the fuck it was,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was it was in lightning. M Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I've slowed I've slowed down on it now because those

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<v Speaker 3>batches are pretty fucking intense.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I said this to the last caller, who I like. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>for purposes of context, I'm probably going to put the

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<v Speaker 1>person I talked to before you. I'm actually gonna probably

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<v Speaker 1>put that call after this call when I put it

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<v Speaker 1>in the podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>But uh oh, it's just going in the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's going away. Yeah, but it's dope.

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<v Speaker 1>I said to him. I guess you'll hear it because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna put after this thing. But I said to

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<v Speaker 1>him that I'm I'm a little bit more afraid of

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<v Speaker 1>getting older than I'd like to admit. But it's I know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're thirty.

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<v Speaker 3>You're about to turn thirty five, right, yeah, thirty five?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. I'm talking like talking to you

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<v Speaker 1>and few and hearing like your kind of like life

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<v Speaker 1>transformations and that you're like you're here and you're like

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<v Speaker 1>present and living and stuff. It's like it's like calming

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<v Speaker 1>to me in a weird way. Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's I mean, that's great to hear, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I honestly think the way that I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of handle things lately, it's going to completely change after

0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.760
<v Speaker 3>we do have children or a child, Like I can't

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<v Speaker 3>be going off on the weekends and doing mushrooms and shit,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. Like I won't say when

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<v Speaker 3>a child gets put into the situation, I'm definitely gonna

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<v Speaker 3>have to look at life a little differently. But I've

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<v Speaker 3>been through so many experiences of life where like I've

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<v Speaker 3>been homeless before, like slept on church lawns, and I've

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<v Speaker 3>gone through like a lot of addiction issues and like

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<v Speaker 3>obviously alcohol and heavy drugs when I was way younger,

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<v Speaker 3>and just for some reason, man, like, all you gotta

0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:50.000
<v Speaker 3>do is just I got. I got a tattoo on

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<v Speaker 3>each one of my butt cheeks. I got a smiley

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<v Speaker 3>face and a frownie face. So like, every time you

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<v Speaker 3>start to have a bad daughter, a bad day, just

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<v Speaker 3>turn the other cheek. You know what I mean as

0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:02.399
<v Speaker 3>stupid is that I got that when yeah, I was

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<v Speaker 3>I was going. I was liked it be cool to

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<v Speaker 3>get a smiley face on one cheek and then a

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<v Speaker 3>frownie paste on the other. So if you're ever having

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<v Speaker 3>a bad day, do you just turn the other cheek?

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<v Speaker 1>So what's your what's your like m O these days?

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<v Speaker 1>What's what's next for you in life? Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>Moving up in the company I work for is definitely

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<v Speaker 3>on that. And then also I paint a lot. I've

0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:28.600
<v Speaker 3>been on a painting kick late lately, So cool, do

0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:32.240
<v Speaker 3>more paintings. Uh, hang out with a girlfriend, get outside

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<v Speaker 3>a little more, and then yeah, just keep living.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude, are you in Are you in Salt Lake?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>We're in Ogden, Oh Town?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? Is that it is that big city or like

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<v Speaker 1>chill town?

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's a decent It's better than Salt Lake.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say that.

0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:49.520
<v Speaker 3>Everyone talks shit on Ogden because we have a dog

0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:52.480
<v Speaker 3>food factory here and you can like smell it sometimes

0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:55.800
<v Speaker 3>and people call the dog food town. But it's honestly,

0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:58.400
<v Speaker 3>it's a pretty cool little city. Like I just moved

0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:02.040
<v Speaker 3>up here like almost ten years ago. So but yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I love it up here. She loves it up here.

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<v Speaker 3>We got good friends, I mean duck good jobs. Like,

0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:09.000
<v Speaker 3>we got a lot of people that we can just

0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:10.440
<v Speaker 3>reach out to and if you want to hang out,

0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.520
<v Speaker 3>hang out, grab our kayaks and go to Kazi's because

0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:15.880
<v Speaker 3>we got two big lakes literally like twenty minutes away

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<v Speaker 3>from us.

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<v Speaker 1>So and when you did the knife thing, was that

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<v Speaker 1>the first time that you tried to kill yourself or

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<v Speaker 1>was there other times?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was like I've had suicidal thoughts before of

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<v Speaker 3>like overdosing and stuff, like you know, I could just

0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:32.280
<v Speaker 3>goog get some Mari whin it overdose I want, but

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, just I was just not in the

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<v Speaker 3>right state of mind and some reason, it just felt

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<v Speaker 3>like a knife was like that's what I had. It

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<v Speaker 3>was sharp as shit, and I just wanted to end

0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:44.840
<v Speaker 3>it and I felt like that would have been the

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<v Speaker 3>quickest way to do it. But you know, here I am.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you do you have suicidal thoughts ever? Or are

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<v Speaker 1>they gone?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:56.160
<v Speaker 3>No, they've been gone. I actually do see a real

0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:56.880
<v Speaker 3>therapist as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, she's pretty cool. So yeah, I mean I've

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<v Speaker 3>never I haven't had suicidal thoughts in a pretty long time,

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<v Speaker 3>like ever since my girlfriend and I have been together,

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<v Speaker 3>they've kind of been non existent.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's pretty sweet.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's been awesome. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, what do you think? No, what do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>What was?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? What do you think it was?

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<v Speaker 3>Of just the no longer suicidal tendencies? Yeah, just the

0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:32.880
<v Speaker 3>fact that, I mean I have such good family and

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<v Speaker 3>such good friends and amazing girlfriends. I mean people at

0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:39.840
<v Speaker 3>my job that actually care about me. And just where

0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:43.000
<v Speaker 3>we live, like we have mountains every like three sixty

0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:46.400
<v Speaker 3>around here. It's like so beautiful and just believes are

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<v Speaker 3>starting to change and like it's just life. Is it

0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:51.480
<v Speaker 3>sounds corny?

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<v Speaker 2>Dude?

0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:55.760
<v Speaker 3>Life's beautiful man, Like it's not worth you know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not your time when it's not your time?

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<v Speaker 2>So cool?

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<v Speaker 3>I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for thanks for sharing this with me, Charles, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for for this talk. This was cool. I liked to

0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:08.080
<v Speaker 1>talking to you about this.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I appreciate you calling me man. Like I said,

0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:13.560
<v Speaker 3>I've been listening to you since around the pandemic. I

0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:16.479
<v Speaker 3>came across to you, and I listened to you when

0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:18.119
<v Speaker 3>I'm at work too, like I'll put on some of

0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:21.400
<v Speaker 3>your episodes, and that dude with the Hurst honestly pretty dope.

0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:25.280
<v Speaker 3>That yeah, that sounds sick. And then also the train

0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:29.800
<v Speaker 3>hopping guy, big inspiration. That guy is. He's a tough one.

0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:32.280
<v Speaker 1>That guy is, he's a bonified GAK legends.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that dude's a tough one.

0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's a bonified GAK legend. I'm getting, like, you know,

0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:39.520
<v Speaker 1>text from people I know being like, oh I listened

0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:40.080
<v Speaker 1>to that one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, that that one really sucks. So that was

0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:44.879
<v Speaker 3>a wholeheartedly great conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Well ship, I'm glad. You know I say this too much,

0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:51.560
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, five years of doing this podcast, I'm glad

0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:53.680
<v Speaker 1>to still be having good calls like this one. So

0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:57.000
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you sharing your story with me. Yeah, Charles,

0:24:57.160 --> 0:24:58.400
<v Speaker 1>is anything else you want to you want to say

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<v Speaker 1>to the people the computer before we.

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<v Speaker 3>Go, No, just keep your head up, man, you know

0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:05.200
<v Speaker 3>you got this ship even though it seems tough.

0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:05.600
<v Speaker 2>You got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Charles, you ever go on?

0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:09.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, use one man?

0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:20.320
<v Speaker 1>That was Charles. I liked Charles. I like, you know, yeah,

0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it feels like I don't I'm just I don't know.

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:28.480
<v Speaker 1>I just like being candid. But sometimes it feels like

0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:32.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of it feels difficult to like do this show.

0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:34.800
<v Speaker 1>It feels like there's like an oil and it feels

0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 1>like oil and water. And then sometimes it just feels

0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:44.480
<v Speaker 1>like it feels really natural and good and I'm like

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:48.520
<v Speaker 1>inspired by it still to this day, I don't know.

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:50.800
<v Speaker 1>This is like an I have like a nihilistic uh

0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:55.960
<v Speaker 1>uh uh pressure in my mind that tells me things

0:25:56.000 --> 0:26:00.399
<v Speaker 1>like all war like all conversations have already been ad

0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. But I'm still finding I'm finding a lot

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:07.080
<v Speaker 1>of inspiragenum being genuine. I'm finding a lot of inspiration

0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:10.800
<v Speaker 1>out of the people, uh that I'm talking to on

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:13.800
<v Speaker 1>here still, and that's that's good. I you know, I

0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:23.400
<v Speaker 1>hope people listening are too. Hello, what's up man? This

0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:25.160
<v Speaker 1>is uh the Gecko guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Gecko guy, Lyle, what's uh, what's going on?

0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Not much?

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<v Speaker 2>Brother?

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<v Speaker 1>What's your name?

0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 2>My name is Dustin.

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<v Speaker 1>Dustin. Have we ever spoken before?

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<v Speaker 2>Nope? First time calling in.

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<v Speaker 1>Very good, very cool. You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna

0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:48.760
<v Speaker 1>tell a story real quick, if that's cool with you.

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:53.760
<v Speaker 1>I tried to record this podcast yesterday and I failed.

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<v Speaker 1>I I was live for maybe five minutes and I

0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:06.159
<v Speaker 1>got about two minutes into a call with someone and

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:08.679
<v Speaker 1>then something in my brain was just like, I can't

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.720
<v Speaker 1>do this right now, and so I and I used

0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:14.880
<v Speaker 1>to and this this has been happening to me the

0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:20.200
<v Speaker 1>entire five years I've been doing this show, and at

0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:22.200
<v Speaker 1>this point I just accepted as a fact of I

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:24.640
<v Speaker 1>don't fight through it? Are you? Which one?

0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:25.320
<v Speaker 3>Are you? Are you?

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:25.520
<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's obviously it's a thing that I guess

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:31.240
<v Speaker 1>you kind of sometimes have the privilege to do or whatever,

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:34.240
<v Speaker 1>But like do you do you fight through things or

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:35.119
<v Speaker 1>do you surrender?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it really depends on on the thing and

0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:47.720
<v Speaker 2>on like what's happening at the at the time. Yeah, yeah, no,

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:50.240
<v Speaker 2>that that's uh, it's fine. I was actually watching the

0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:54.640
<v Speaker 2>stream when I saw that yesterday, Oh you were I was, yeah,

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 2>And I thought it was really cool because I kind

0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:59.040
<v Speaker 2>of I was like, oh, man, is he thinking right

0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:03.199
<v Speaker 2>now or is he like taking a beat? And I

0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:07.320
<v Speaker 2>thought it was actually really cool that you like recognized

0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:10.240
<v Speaker 2>where you're at and kind of, you know, very politely,

0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:12.400
<v Speaker 2>was just like, hey, I can't do this right now,

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:15.680
<v Speaker 2>but let me make it up to you and walked

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.000
<v Speaker 2>away from it. I think that actually ties in really

0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 2>well to the story that I wanted to share.

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:25.320
<v Speaker 1>You know what, I Dustin, you said your name was, Yeah, Dustin.

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:28.320
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that I do because I felt I felt bad.

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:32.479
<v Speaker 1>This happens to me. There's nothing the worst thing that

0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 1>I've one of the worst things I've experienced doing this

0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 1>is when like I like someone like someone calls in

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 1>and I can tell that they're excited to be on

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 1>the show where to talk talk, and I'm just I

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 1>just I search inside myself and there's insufficient funds of energy,

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:53.760
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. That's the fucking worst. And

0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 1>it feel shitty when it happened. So I appreciate you

0:28:57.640 --> 0:29:02.960
<v Speaker 1>saying that you appreciate did that, so so thank you. Anyway,

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:05.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna stop talking about myself. I want to hear

0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 1>about the story you wanted to share.

0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, I'm glad you brought up so so it

0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 2>actually it ties in well because the end of this,

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, to jump to the end. I was seeing

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:23.240
<v Speaker 2>this person and was kind of on the fence but

0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 2>like and like kind of not seeing it as being

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:29.120
<v Speaker 2>a big thing. But I had friends who were kind

0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:33.280
<v Speaker 2>of moving me forward a little bit on like hey, man,

0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 2>like you sometimes cut things off before you give it

0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 2>a chance. That was like, okay, let's let's try this.

0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Let's try this thing out, and kind of you know,

0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 2>focused on communicating what I needed from this person and

0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 2>like the pace I needed to go at. It seemed

0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:49.160
<v Speaker 2>to be going fine, until like all of a sudden,

0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 2>there was this date that like was she was just

0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of like really focused on any kind of physicality, which,

0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 2>like you know, of course, yeah, and that's nice, but

0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 2>when it's like progressively over a few hours, going from

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:11.000
<v Speaker 2>like like needing to hold hands at every second to

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 2>like me communicating, hey, like can I just have a

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:19.360
<v Speaker 2>few minutes when we eat here, and then like you know,

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 2>by hour two or three, it was literally NonStop. The

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:27.200
<v Speaker 2>only thing that was getting talked about was like, hey,

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:30.160
<v Speaker 2>like I need a moment to just need a little

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 2>space at.

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 1>The moment this is I'm this is the first date.

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:40.880
<v Speaker 2>No, it was like week three with like you know,

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 2>like one day to week yeah everything.

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:47.720
<v Speaker 1>And she wanted to always be touching you and you

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 1>weren't into that.

0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just like in this moment where I was like

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:53.840
<v Speaker 2>I want to feel this out. I want to like

0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:59.320
<v Speaker 2>just kind of experience what this is and let things

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:03.800
<v Speaker 2>happen naturally. But then it was like kept becoming like

0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 2>the stated communication, you know, and I'm sorry, sorry, just

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 2>when it was like you know, I'm stating like I'm

0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:17.360
<v Speaker 2>giving reasons, you know, and stuff like hey, you know,

0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:20.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm not crazy about PDA. I'm not like you know,

0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 2>never don't even look my way. I'm not like that.

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:25.240
<v Speaker 2>But I'm you know, communicating like, hey, you know, I

0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:28.800
<v Speaker 2>have some feelings about just like in public, and like,

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:30.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't I don't want to be all

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:34.360
<v Speaker 2>over each other. But like our three of this final

0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 2>date was like you know, like can I hold your hand?

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:40.080
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, you know, I just need a moment

0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 2>right now and let's just talk. And I'm fielding you know,

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:46.200
<v Speaker 2>questions like hey, if you know money's not an object,

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 2>anywhere where would you live? You know, and She's dodging

0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 2>the question to immediately ask again what can I hold

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 2>your hand? And why aren't we doing this? And I

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 2>don't understand, and I'm like, okay, let me share my

0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 2>feelings again on like, you know, the stuff I've shared

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:02.360
<v Speaker 2>for the past a few weeks and what I'm feeling

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:04.880
<v Speaker 2>right now in this moment that I would like to

0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 2>just kind of be here with you and see what

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:10.600
<v Speaker 2>happens naturally as you okay, okay, okay, but can I

0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 2>just hold your hand? And I'm like, oh my god,

0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 2>like is anything even getting through here?

0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay?

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:20.080
<v Speaker 2>And if if I, you know, give an inch take

0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:22.160
<v Speaker 2>a mile where, I like, okay, well, let me just

0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:24.880
<v Speaker 2>you know. She really she really wants this thing, so

0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:26.920
<v Speaker 2>I just open it up, like okay, yeah, you know,

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 2>like well and if I like, you know, come around

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 2>the table here and I give you a hug, I'm like, okay, yeah,

0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:36.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm checking with myself. That's nice, thank you. And then

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:38.840
<v Speaker 2>she like dives in to like lick my ear and

0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:43.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, whoa, okay, hang on, what what the hell?

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 1>So so listen, listen, listen, I I uh, this is

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 1>your well the third date with this lady, fourth something.

0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:51.719
<v Speaker 2>Like that, yeah, third or fourth, Okay?

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Are you typically like are you typically A because everyone's

0:32:56.680 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 1>different on this sort of thing, are you typically A

0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 1>let's take it slow before we uh, you know, start

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 1>licking the ears kind of kind of guy.

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:16.760
<v Speaker 2>I generally approach it with like, I don't know. I'm

0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 2>usually I'm usually the follower, Like I'm kind of reading

0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 2>the person on how they want to play things and

0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:27.480
<v Speaker 2>doing that. But for me, like if we're talking like

0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 2>sex and like you know, first date or like what's

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 2>the pace of it, I'm I'm more like I like

0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:37.040
<v Speaker 2>the passionate, like, oh my god, I just met this person.

0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Holy crap, and you know, let's see if we're compatible.

0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Now we are great. Now it's been the next few weeks,

0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:47.080
<v Speaker 2>Like let's paste this out and let's you know, let's

0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 2>see how we are in like a friendly context. Not no,

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:53.760
<v Speaker 2>that's not the right word, but.

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:56.480
<v Speaker 1>It sounds to me like, yeah, it sounds to me

0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 1>like you you you like to you like to take

0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:04.320
<v Speaker 1>it slow, yeah, And it sounds like this lady is

0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:07.880
<v Speaker 1>ready to get.

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Down, which wasn't the case until this date. Like there

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:18.239
<v Speaker 2>were there were signs and there was definitely like you know,

0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 2>other kinds of touch, but like it was yeah at

0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:28.359
<v Speaker 2>at this moment was Yeah, it was like a new level.

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 1>M I mean that sounds like a hmmm, I'm just

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:40.880
<v Speaker 1>going off of what my gut feeling. It sounds like

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:44.160
<v Speaker 1>a like a like a pretty strong incompatibility, especially if

0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 1>you because if you said to her, you're like, hey, listen, uh,

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:50.120
<v Speaker 1>I kind of want to take it slow, and she's

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 1>like and look, no fault to either of you, right,

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, some people are like that. They want to

0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:59.160
<v Speaker 1>always be touching the person. There was something like, you know,

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>they want to always be like holding a hand or

0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:06.279
<v Speaker 1>touching a knee or like that's their way of like,

0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:10.040
<v Speaker 1>that's their way of being like, Okay, you like me.

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 1>We can be talking about whatever, but the fact that

0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:16.239
<v Speaker 1>you're touching me means that you like me, and if

0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 1>we're not touching me, is you don't like me. That's

0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:22.759
<v Speaker 1>like a language for some people that I don't think

0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:26.040
<v Speaker 1>that that's your language. That seems like it's her language.

0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:28.800
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, or early on, that just seems like

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:34.120
<v Speaker 1>a strong sign of incompatibility. How does it normally go

0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:34.840
<v Speaker 1>on your dates?

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 2>Normally, it's like it's at a really nice pace. You know,

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 2>or it's like because I'm not I'm not I'm not

0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:46.799
<v Speaker 2>against it. Like, for example, when this first came up

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:49.520
<v Speaker 2>in conversation, we were out at this event as the

0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:50.920
<v Speaker 2>first time where I was like, Hey, meet some of

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:52.480
<v Speaker 2>my friends and we're gonna go out to the show.

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:57.400
<v Speaker 2>And as we're at the show, I just kind of

0:35:57.600 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 2>was like off to the side when we had a

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:00.520
<v Speaker 2>moment with just like, hey, by the way, you know,

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:05.080
<v Speaker 2>like I'm not always nuts about like constant touch, and

0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:08.320
<v Speaker 2>she was oh, okay, well, gosh, I you know, I

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:09.840
<v Speaker 2>don't know how I feel about that, and like we

0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 2>were talking about a little bit, but then at the

0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:14.640
<v Speaker 2>end of the night she was like, hey, you know,

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:18.239
<v Speaker 2>like when you said that, I wasn't certain that it

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:22.600
<v Speaker 2>was going to work, but then you showed like throughout

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:24.279
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the night that you would like reach

0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:26.360
<v Speaker 2>for like you know, hand on the knee, hand on

0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:28.359
<v Speaker 2>the back kind of stuff. And I'm like, yeah, it's

0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:30.839
<v Speaker 2>not it's not that I'm against it. It's just that

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:35.360
<v Speaker 2>I like the freedom to be able to initiate that

0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:37.000
<v Speaker 2>and to like kind of feel it out as it

0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:41.279
<v Speaker 2>happens naturally, not like you know, we're walking from this

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 2>room to that room and you're like, hey, you have

0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:46.600
<v Speaker 2>to hold my hand. I'm like, well, okay, let's just

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:49.359
<v Speaker 2>let it happen, you know, mm.

0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Hmmm, okay, So, well, how's your dating? Can I actually, well,

0:36:56.480 --> 0:37:00.600
<v Speaker 1>it's funny I called you back because you you texted me.

0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:05.319
<v Speaker 1>Actually a bunch of things, so.

0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:06.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think some of them. Some of them are

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:09.719
<v Speaker 2>over a year or so. Yeah. Yeah, ever like a

0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:11.719
<v Speaker 2>year or two. Every now and then, I'll I listen

0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:14.280
<v Speaker 2>all the time, but every now and then I'm inspired

0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:16.239
<v Speaker 2>to send something over.

0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Well can I bring Can I bring up what you

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:18.920
<v Speaker 1>messaged me?

0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Uh? Yeah, let's do it.

0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:24.920
<v Speaker 1>You said, Hey, Gek, I just turned twenty nine, so

0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:25.759
<v Speaker 1>you're thirty now.

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:29.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:32.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to meet women. I'm interested in

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 1>lots of close female friends, but struggling. Meanwhile, being single

0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 1>is just not the fun time people keep telling me

0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:42.640
<v Speaker 1>it is. Do you still is that something you still

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:43.160
<v Speaker 1>resonate with?

0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Not? Really. I was looking at that text when I

0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 2>sent you the new one and thought, man, lot a

0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:51.359
<v Speaker 2>lot has changed in the past year.

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Ooh, okay, I'm interested in this. Tell me what's changed.

0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:00.440
<v Speaker 2>I think the central.

0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:05.400
<v Speaker 3>That I would I d is like the the.

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Internal change of like just being more okay with just

0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 2>where I'm at, And that's not like a surrendery okay,

0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:17.640
<v Speaker 2>that's just like finding the love and like what is

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:20.279
<v Speaker 2>my life and who I am and just like, hey,

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 2>let's let's just fucking love this, because that's can totally

0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:27.840
<v Speaker 2>be a choice, and why why why not just pick that?

0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:31.400
<v Speaker 1>How the fuck? How the how the fuck do you

0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:31.840
<v Speaker 1>do that?

0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Dude? Looking back? I don't know. That's it? You know,

0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:40.520
<v Speaker 2>one of those things where it's like from one side

0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 2>of the threshold, it's like, how the fuck do I

0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:43.560
<v Speaker 2>get over here? And from the other side, you're like,

0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:44.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how the fuck I got here?

0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:48.480
<v Speaker 1>Interesting, So you don't even know, and I ask you,

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:50.640
<v Speaker 1>how the fuck you I'm I'm impressed by that because

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 1>like to be to be like really candid with you,

0:38:57.719 --> 0:39:01.160
<v Speaker 1>I've I'm I frequently try to get on that frequency

0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:05.680
<v Speaker 1>and it's really it's difficult, and you seem as though

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:09.160
<v Speaker 1>you were very and I'm very fascinated because it seems

0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:11.600
<v Speaker 1>like you were really not on that frequency a year ago,

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:15.000
<v Speaker 1>and now you are and you're telling me that you

0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:16.399
<v Speaker 1>don't even know how the fuck you got there.

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's with uh, just living life and trying things,

0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:30.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, going to therapy a couple times a month, uh,

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:34.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, making efforts to like get more stable, and

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:42.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, the logistical life shit, and then some like

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:45.680
<v Speaker 2>esoteric little switch when you're looking in the mirror and

0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:47.279
<v Speaker 2>just going, I'm going to choose to like that.

0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:52.439
<v Speaker 1>Wow, okay, well stop me. Stop right there. You look

0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:54.320
<v Speaker 1>in the mirror and you go, I'm going to choose

0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:56.520
<v Speaker 1>to like that. Do you mean like you're looking at

0:39:56.520 --> 0:39:58.360
<v Speaker 1>your face and you're like, I'm gonna choose to like

0:39:58.400 --> 0:39:58.880
<v Speaker 1>my face?

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or like you know, body image stuff sometimes has

0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:05.200
<v Speaker 2>been it's been a thing for me a lot of

0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 2>my life, and you know, can become attached with so

0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 2>much spiraling guilt and anxieties about like, oh man, like

0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:15.040
<v Speaker 2>why the fuck am I not hitting the gym? And

0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:17.840
<v Speaker 2>do they really have four pizzas this week? And you know,

0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:22.200
<v Speaker 2>and you know sparrows into well the jobs and relationships

0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:24.760
<v Speaker 2>and all this other stuff that is so not actually

0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:32.040
<v Speaker 2>related and is also completely like the whole waterfall starts

0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:37.719
<v Speaker 2>from comparison, you know, it starts from like what I

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:40.640
<v Speaker 2>think I should be seeing, or like what I should

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 2>be living up to or something when.

0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 1>You look in the mirror, When you look in the

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:47.680
<v Speaker 1>mirror and you're like, I'm going to decide to decide

0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:51.400
<v Speaker 1>to like that. What are you talking about? Like your body?

0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Like you're like, oh, I'm going to decide to like

0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:54.320
<v Speaker 1>the way I look.

0:40:55.760 --> 0:41:01.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, And you've found it, and you found it easy,

0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:04.840
<v Speaker 4>and you found it as easy as declaring that you

0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:06.680
<v Speaker 4>decide that you like that.

0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:11.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean as a practice over a lot of time.

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not saying yeah, no, I know you mean,

0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:19.759
<v Speaker 1>I know you mean, but.

0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:23.000
<v Speaker 2>I think it's like taking like because we're you know,

0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:28.440
<v Speaker 2>we're obviously so inundated with how not just body stuff,

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:31.480
<v Speaker 2>but like how how we're supposed to be based on

0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 2>like advertising and media and social media and all this stuff.

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:39.719
<v Speaker 2>But if you, as an individual decide, like, well, in

0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:43.279
<v Speaker 2>my life, what I'm seeing of myself, that is that

0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:45.799
<v Speaker 2>is the norm? Like that that's the standard. That's the

0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:50.799
<v Speaker 2>gold standard, you know, like exactly what is and what

0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:54.640
<v Speaker 2>I am like, that's that's the gold standard. Hm hm,

0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:57.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, actually I think that's like I've been hearing

0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:03.000
<v Speaker 2>you on some episodes recently bringing up that your thoughts

0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:05.680
<v Speaker 2>on like the phrase like you are enough sure and

0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:07.600
<v Speaker 2>and I'm totally like I get your I get your

0:42:07.600 --> 0:42:13.000
<v Speaker 2>thought on it about it's it's proclivity to like leave

0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:17.320
<v Speaker 2>leave you where like you can give up really easily,

0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:21.040
<v Speaker 2>or you can be like I'm fucking depressed and what

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:24.520
<v Speaker 2>do you mean that's enough? But yeah, I think I

0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:25.960
<v Speaker 2>think of what I'm getting at is kind of the

0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:29.200
<v Speaker 2>same idea, but just like phrased in a way, that's

0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:34.480
<v Speaker 2>if you make who you are and everything about you

0:42:34.680 --> 0:42:39.160
<v Speaker 2>like that's that's the standard, then there's you know, that's

0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:42.719
<v Speaker 2>that's the you're leveling the ground to build everything on

0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:44.759
<v Speaker 2>top of. You know, if you want to do more

0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:50.920
<v Speaker 2>with that, great, But you know, I can be a

0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:55.320
<v Speaker 2>real lazy piece of shit sometimes and like not build

0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:57.280
<v Speaker 2>anything on that. But I can still be like, hey,

0:42:57.320 --> 0:43:00.400
<v Speaker 2>this is this is fine, Like I'm staying alive and

0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:04.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm eating food and I'm working at a job and

0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:06.000
<v Speaker 2>that's great.

0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:08.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm away by the way, and you know the whole like,

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:11.000
<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, I have been talking about that a lot,

0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:13.399
<v Speaker 1>and it's a spectrum. I think. I don't think it's

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:17.120
<v Speaker 1>like an either or and then always never you know

0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:19.359
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, I don't believe in either or isn't

0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:25.439
<v Speaker 1>always never's uh, because uh, you know, sometimes you can

0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:28.600
<v Speaker 1>you are enough yourself into giving up, but then sometimes

0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:31.560
<v Speaker 1>you can you are not enough yourself into a spiral.

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:36.720
<v Speaker 1>And so uh, you know, like I sometimes life feels

0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:41.880
<v Speaker 1>like just a constant balancing act of all those things.

0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:48.200
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, dude, hmmm you also said here, I.

0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:52.439
<v Speaker 2>Mean yesterday, You're you're saying yesterday where you got onto

0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:54.480
<v Speaker 2>a call and then you checked in with yourself and

0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:57.879
<v Speaker 2>you're like, hey, this isn't it Like that was you?

0:43:57.960 --> 0:43:59.920
<v Speaker 2>That was you. You are enough in yourself and just

0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:03.440
<v Speaker 2>like you know, if you weren't, if you you know,

0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:08.719
<v Speaker 2>if you weren't making yourself as enough and you you know,

0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:12.520
<v Speaker 2>might have pushed yourself through to something that didn't feel right.

0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:16.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I came to that. I logically came

0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:18.640
<v Speaker 1>to a place where I was like, if I try

0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:22.800
<v Speaker 1>to record an episode like this, it's just gonna be shitty.

0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:25.640
<v Speaker 1>So I'm just gonna not do it, you know what

0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:34.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean? Yeah, you said here, Oh okay, how about this,

0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna Actually, you know what, I'm enjoying reading these

0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:41.080
<v Speaker 1>texts that you sent me a year and a half ago,

0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:43.680
<v Speaker 1>because it seems you seem to be in a different

0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:47.239
<v Speaker 1>headspace and that's that's an interesting thing to explore to me.

0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I never said my text to the therapy keecho

0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:52.560
<v Speaker 2>to be like a time capsule.

0:44:52.719 --> 0:44:57.879
<v Speaker 1>Right, it's interesting. Yeah you said that. Okay, you said

0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:00.520
<v Speaker 1>I've been on the up from This is from February

0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:02.120
<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty four. This is a year and a

0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:04.719
<v Speaker 1>half ago. I've been on the up and up from

0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the lowest points of my life. I'm letting go of

0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:10.080
<v Speaker 1>all the friends I've lost over the years. I can't

0:45:10.120 --> 0:45:13.960
<v Speaker 1>stop wishing I could reconnect with my long distance Canadian

0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:20.120
<v Speaker 1>girlfriend from nine years ago. Now, let me ask you this,

0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:24.240
<v Speaker 1>and we all have that, right, we all have a

0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:27.640
<v Speaker 1>person where we're like, oh shit, was that should that?

0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Should that have been more of a thing than it was?

0:45:33.640 --> 0:45:36.839
<v Speaker 1>And now it's ten years ago, Are you still thinking

0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:39.279
<v Speaker 1>about your long distance Canadian girlfriend?

0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, definitely shows up time to time. At the

0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:46.000
<v Speaker 2>I think in the moment that I texted, it was

0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:49.160
<v Speaker 2>like a real like it felt like something was missing

0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:54.120
<v Speaker 2>and something in my brain like you know, subconsciously tried

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:56.400
<v Speaker 2>to put it was looking for a jigsaw piece and

0:45:56.480 --> 0:45:58.319
<v Speaker 2>that was her, and was like this is this is

0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:03.640
<v Speaker 2>the thing and now she I definitely think about her

0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:07.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot and think about all of that. It's not

0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:10.560
<v Speaker 2>as much of a fervor as it was at the time,

0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:16.759
<v Speaker 2>but it was definitely like a really impactful relationship on

0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:20.920
<v Speaker 2>my life. And uh yeah that I think about, like

0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:27.600
<v Speaker 2>what it meant and like what I valued in that

0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 2>and how I messed it up too.

0:46:30.880 --> 0:46:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean you were what were yeah, yeah yeah, what

0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:41.359
<v Speaker 1>kind of impact did it have on you?

0:46:45.040 --> 0:46:49.319
<v Speaker 2>The the the level of like connection and communication that

0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:53.960
<v Speaker 2>was there was not something that I experienced before in that,

0:46:54.239 --> 0:47:01.239
<v Speaker 2>like in a romantic level actually maybe at all, And

0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:04.120
<v Speaker 2>now like and that became like a defining thing for

0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:07.960
<v Speaker 2>what I look for in a romantic relationship is like

0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:09.960
<v Speaker 2>that level of community.

0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh we're still there. Hello, Hellosa, Hello, Hello, hello Hello.

0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:21.479
<v Speaker 1>Oh you're back.

0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh cool. It's funny. I was I was hearing you

0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:26.120
<v Speaker 2>the whole time.

0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:27.439
<v Speaker 1>What we were saying.

0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:30.479
<v Speaker 4>You were saying, yeah, yeah.

0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:33.719
<v Speaker 2>I was talking about the communication with her and how

0:47:33.719 --> 0:47:36.719
<v Speaker 2>that became like an important part. And I kind of

0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:38.719
<v Speaker 2>don't want to pick communication because like I feel like

0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:43.719
<v Speaker 2>that it's just like that suggests I'm talking about like

0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:49.040
<v Speaker 2>the you know, like like setting boundaries and doing kind

0:47:49.040 --> 0:47:53.000
<v Speaker 2>of like the the management work on a relationship, but

0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 2>I just mean like talking and like sharing ideas and like,

0:47:56.600 --> 0:47:58.879
<v Speaker 2>you know, going for a three hour walk where we're

0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:05.920
<v Speaker 2>playing out every possible factor of like a zombie apocalypse scenario,

0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:10.080
<v Speaker 2>and just like I'd just skin the talk and just

0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:11.680
<v Speaker 2>like go way down the rabbit hole.

0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:14.840
<v Speaker 1>So this person impacted you in the sense that she

0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:19.680
<v Speaker 1>set a standard for connection that you hope that you

0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:23.719
<v Speaker 1>still to this day are like, Okay, this is the

0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:26.799
<v Speaker 1>standard amount of connection that I desire from a relationship.

0:48:27.480 --> 0:48:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, definitely.

0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:34.040
<v Speaker 1>And I mean in the past ten years. God, I

0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:37.560
<v Speaker 1>saw I'm afraid to I'm actually afraid to hear your

0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:40.600
<v Speaker 1>answer to this question. I saw this Instagram meme and

0:48:40.680 --> 0:48:42.600
<v Speaker 1>it's like it was It's not an Instagram meme, it

0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:45.640
<v Speaker 1>was like a quote from a movie. Was it before

0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:48.520
<v Speaker 1>midnight or after midnight? Maybe you'll know what I'm talking about.

0:48:48.760 --> 0:48:51.440
<v Speaker 1>It's like this lady's talking to some guy and she's like,

0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:55.360
<v Speaker 1>people think that they'll meet many people that they'll connect

0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:57.759
<v Speaker 1>with over their life, but the truth is it's only

0:48:57.800 --> 0:48:59.680
<v Speaker 1>a few. You know what I'm talking about.

0:49:01.080 --> 0:49:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know what that's from, but I've heard

0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:05.200
<v Speaker 2>I've heard stuff like that.

0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:07.839
<v Speaker 1>Do you so, I so, in the past ten years,

0:49:07.840 --> 0:49:09.960
<v Speaker 1>have you found someone you've connected with as well as

0:49:10.680 --> 0:49:12.720
<v Speaker 1>you connected with this lady in Canada?

0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's different, right, I think it would be a trap,

0:49:18.920 --> 0:49:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Not not that you're setting me up for trap, but

0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:23.760
<v Speaker 2>I think it would be like a disservice to myself

0:49:23.800 --> 0:49:28.279
<v Speaker 2>to like try and rank it on a scale in comparison.

0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:33.279
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, yeah, but like I've had yeah, yeah, Like

0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:37.120
<v Speaker 5>I've had a significant relationship since then that like was

0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:41.759
<v Speaker 5>definitely founded on like that kind of communication and talk.

0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:46.160
<v Speaker 2>And I often wonder when I think about this, uh,

0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:50.719
<v Speaker 2>this girl from ten years ago, I often wonder if, like, man,

0:49:50.719 --> 0:49:52.799
<v Speaker 2>if it was that exact same thing here and now

0:49:52.840 --> 0:49:55.880
<v Speaker 2>what I actually would it be the same And maybe not,

0:49:56.320 --> 0:50:02.200
<v Speaker 2>But like I think just kind of looking for there

0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:08.920
<v Speaker 2>there's a there's a weird, you know, indescribable feeling that's

0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:13.160
<v Speaker 2>that's attached to like knowing when that's thinking in in

0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:17.160
<v Speaker 2>that and it's that level that like is what I

0:50:17.200 --> 0:50:20.640
<v Speaker 2>look for in conversation and then like you know, talking

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:24.799
<v Speaker 2>to people and seeing what it's going to be. I

0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:28.000
<v Speaker 2>met fantastic people, were great, and like we spend time together.

0:50:28.040 --> 0:50:33.040
<v Speaker 2>But I think that's one of the things that like

0:50:33.320 --> 0:50:36.719
<v Speaker 2>gets one of the things that gets me prone to

0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:41.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of like chalking up what I think a relationship

0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:44.799
<v Speaker 2>is going to be too early and makes my friends go, hey,

0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:48.080
<v Speaker 2>like just try this and don't don't cut it down

0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:49.280
<v Speaker 2>before it starts.

0:50:50.920 --> 0:50:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh, because you're like, hm, I'm not getting what I

0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:58.000
<v Speaker 1>feel like I used to normally be getting at this

0:50:58.200 --> 0:51:01.840
<v Speaker 1>point in time, So I'm going to move on. But

0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:03.920
<v Speaker 1>then you have but you have people outside of you

0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:06.160
<v Speaker 1>or check you, or you're like, well give it a second.

0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, exactly.

0:51:09.239 --> 0:51:13.120
<v Speaker 1>Interesting. That's interesting. That's one of the that's that's like

0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:20.120
<v Speaker 1>one of the prime things of that's the one of

0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:23.840
<v Speaker 1>the prime conflicts of not only dating, but like relationships.

0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:28.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, it starts out when you're dating, of like

0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:31.560
<v Speaker 1>and do I feel aligned with this person? Okay? If

0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:34.200
<v Speaker 1>I do kind of, I'll keep seeing them, but if not,

0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:36.360
<v Speaker 1>I'll move on. And then it evolves then it's like

0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:39.560
<v Speaker 1>do I enjoy my marriage? Should I get divorced or

0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:44.200
<v Speaker 1>should I stay? You know, I mean that's the prime conflict,

0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:47.440
<v Speaker 1>I suppose, And I don't know if you ever, I

0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:50.760
<v Speaker 1>don't know if relationships exist where that doesn't come into question,

0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:55.480
<v Speaker 1>even like the best ones. I don't know if anyone

0:51:56.920 --> 0:52:01.279
<v Speaker 1>ever gets into a relationship that they don't question. Maybe

0:52:01.320 --> 0:52:03.120
<v Speaker 1>that I don't know, maybe there's somebody listening to this

0:52:03.239 --> 0:52:05.880
<v Speaker 1>right now. That's like I've never I've been with my

0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:09.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, boyfriend girlfriend eight years, I've never questioned it.

0:52:10.640 --> 0:52:13.640
<v Speaker 1>That's what we want, right is you want something you want,

0:52:13.680 --> 0:52:15.880
<v Speaker 1>you want to fuck, You want a whole motherfucking life

0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:18.239
<v Speaker 1>that you never have to have to question, you know

0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:20.880
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. Isn't it like you're like, I'm everything

0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:26.600
<v Speaker 1>is great. I've never questioned anything ever. I mean, that's

0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:27.480
<v Speaker 1>an insane.

0:52:27.200 --> 0:52:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Level of that. Yeah, I'm sorry. Uh, there's a I

0:52:30.680 --> 0:52:34.000
<v Speaker 2>think there's a certain level of that that's like, uh,

0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:36.920
<v Speaker 2>that's it's just too subjective for us to every like

0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:40.600
<v Speaker 2>is my green your green? Like you know, I'll never

0:52:40.800 --> 0:52:45.960
<v Speaker 2>know even somebody listening that's like, I've never questioned this relationship,

0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:49.719
<v Speaker 2>Like okay, Like are you usually an inquisitive person? Or

0:52:49.760 --> 0:52:53.600
<v Speaker 2>like what is questioning look like to you? Or you know,

0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:56.400
<v Speaker 2>we might be going through the exact same process internally,

0:52:56.440 --> 0:52:59.880
<v Speaker 2>but I'm just like I'm pulling out pieces of it differently,

0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:03.080
<v Speaker 2>and this other person and analyzing those in a different

0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:07.040
<v Speaker 2>way because I'm just prone to analyze the thing. My

0:53:07.040 --> 0:53:10.400
<v Speaker 2>my therapist will often say that I has inspired me

0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:12.839
<v Speaker 2>a lot. Is like the point of a first date

0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:14.759
<v Speaker 2>is to see if there's going to be a second one,

0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:18.279
<v Speaker 2>and that that carries all the way through a relationship.

0:53:18.520 --> 0:53:21.480
<v Speaker 2>That it's all like every day it's like, I know

0:53:21.760 --> 0:53:23.920
<v Speaker 2>how I feel today, I have a guess about how

0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:26.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to feel tomorrow, and you know, a pretty

0:53:26.120 --> 0:53:27.760
<v Speaker 2>good guess about how I'm gonna feel for the next

0:53:27.800 --> 0:53:30.800
<v Speaker 2>week or whatever. But I'm just going to keep renewing

0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:31.920
<v Speaker 2>that all the time.

0:53:32.760 --> 0:53:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:53:34.480 --> 0:53:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, which might not be as like Happily ever after

0:53:38.960 --> 0:53:42.000
<v Speaker 2>as I know some people enjoy. But for me, like,

0:53:42.160 --> 0:53:45.680
<v Speaker 2>I like that because I can get my hands on

0:53:45.719 --> 0:53:48.880
<v Speaker 2>it better, you know, that's more that feels more human

0:53:48.920 --> 0:53:53.560
<v Speaker 2>to me. That feels more like, yeah, like something we

0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:54.120
<v Speaker 2>can't know.

0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:56.160
<v Speaker 1>That's a lot of work, and a lot of people

0:53:56.200 --> 0:53:57.920
<v Speaker 1>don't want to do that work. And that applies to

0:53:57.960 --> 0:54:01.520
<v Speaker 1>things outside of relationships. I think there's some like Alan

0:54:01.600 --> 0:54:04.759
<v Speaker 1>Watts quote or whatever, that's like you're under no obligation

0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:09.360
<v Speaker 1>to be who you were five minutes ago. But that's tough.

0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:12.080
<v Speaker 1>That's why I think. That's why I think that's why

0:54:12.080 --> 0:54:14.759
<v Speaker 1>people don't think of it like that, like that, you know,

0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:20.799
<v Speaker 1>like that could apply to any aspect of your existence, right, like,

0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:24.719
<v Speaker 1>all right, if I don't like my life today, then

0:54:24.920 --> 0:54:26.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, I could change it tomorrow. But it's but

0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:30.120
<v Speaker 1>you get comfortable. It's a lot of work too, and

0:54:30.160 --> 0:54:33.239
<v Speaker 1>it's no small and I don't even and I don't even, Bro,

0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:36.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know. I like, I used to fucking

0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:40.480
<v Speaker 1>be on like a motivational grind and be like, yeah,

0:54:40.520 --> 0:54:43.600
<v Speaker 1>you should always do that work and not be complacent.

0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:47.200
<v Speaker 1>But but bro, the older I get, the more agnostic

0:54:47.280 --> 0:54:50.040
<v Speaker 1>I become to these things. I'm like, you know, maybe

0:54:50.520 --> 0:54:53.120
<v Speaker 1>maybe you should. Maybe it is better to just stay

0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:57.759
<v Speaker 1>in the shitty in the life that you kind of like,

0:54:58.760 --> 0:55:02.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I'm probably wrong, I'm probably I'm probably

0:55:02.239 --> 0:55:05.799
<v Speaker 1>uh no, I'm probably I'm probably wrong. It's probably you

0:55:05.840 --> 0:55:08.440
<v Speaker 1>probably should do stuff, you know what I mean.

0:55:08.760 --> 0:55:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's interesting to me that, like your phrasing behind

0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:17.759
<v Speaker 2>it was about like mustering up motivation to change it tomorrow.

0:55:18.520 --> 0:55:21.440
<v Speaker 2>But let me try this one on. What if what

0:55:21.480 --> 0:55:25.279
<v Speaker 2>if we're just naturally changing like you at rest like

0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:28.840
<v Speaker 2>sitting around playing video games. Is that like there is

0:55:28.960 --> 0:55:33.160
<v Speaker 2>changing happening because you're getting older and you're having more

0:55:33.239 --> 0:55:36.880
<v Speaker 2>distanced perspective on events in your life. Like we're just

0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:40.880
<v Speaker 2>naturally changing. And maybe Allen Watts quote is not about like,

0:55:41.600 --> 0:55:43.920
<v Speaker 2>go fucking change, Like I don't think Alan Wats is

0:55:43.920 --> 0:55:46.040
<v Speaker 2>a rise and grind kind of guy. I think it's

0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:51.240
<v Speaker 2>more like I attribute it to more about like regret

0:55:51.640 --> 0:55:55.680
<v Speaker 2>and like feeling embarrassed about your past self. Like, dude,

0:55:55.760 --> 0:55:59.319
<v Speaker 2>if if we had talked, if we had talked last

0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:02.080
<v Speaker 2>year when I said that, then they sent that text,

0:56:02.400 --> 0:56:04.960
<v Speaker 2>and then you brought up the text from like a

0:56:05.040 --> 0:56:08.160
<v Speaker 2>year and a half ago, I probably felt guilty about it,

0:56:08.520 --> 0:56:11.200
<v Speaker 2>and I probably would have liked, Oh.

0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:18.720
<v Speaker 1>I lost you again, Dustin, He'll come back. They always

0:56:18.760 --> 0:56:22.520
<v Speaker 1>come back. Hold on, we're gonna get Dustin back.

0:56:27.000 --> 0:56:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Hello.

0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Hey, Okay, what were you saying if you were talking

0:56:33.560 --> 0:56:36.759
<v Speaker 1>about it? If I had brought up that text from February,

0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:38.520
<v Speaker 1>if I called you a year ago.

0:56:39.880 --> 0:56:42.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah. So like when you say that Alan Wats quote,

0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:45.399
<v Speaker 2>it makes me think about like when you were like, hey,

0:56:45.400 --> 0:56:47.440
<v Speaker 2>can we read some of these old texts? You know,

0:56:47.480 --> 0:56:49.520
<v Speaker 2>there was a there's an old part of me that

0:56:49.680 --> 0:56:51.719
<v Speaker 2>was like, no, don't do that. It's gonna be embarrassing,

0:56:51.800 --> 0:56:54.279
<v Speaker 2>like that's not who you are anymore. But then I

0:56:54.320 --> 0:56:56.640
<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, fuck it, like let's let's do that,

0:56:56.680 --> 0:56:58.360
<v Speaker 2>and I can own like, yeah, that's who I was

0:56:58.400 --> 0:56:59.720
<v Speaker 2>at the time, and that's different.

0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Now I'm inspired talking to you because I'm I'm about

0:57:06.280 --> 0:57:10.120
<v Speaker 1>to turn twenty eight, and uh, I feel like I

0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:12.239
<v Speaker 1>I'd probably talk about this on the show a lot,

0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:14.279
<v Speaker 1>but I feel like I'm dying. I feel like I'm like,

0:57:15.800 --> 0:57:19.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, decrepit or whatever. And it's cool, and I'm like,

0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:21.960
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm you know, I don't like to admit it,

0:57:22.000 --> 0:57:24.320
<v Speaker 1>but I'm a f I I don't like to admit

0:57:24.360 --> 0:57:27.640
<v Speaker 1>it because when I was young, I was like, oh,

0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:31.440
<v Speaker 1>you know whatever, every you're not you know, you're not

0:57:31.520 --> 0:57:34.560
<v Speaker 1>dead until you're dead, right, But now I think, now

0:57:34.560 --> 0:57:36.800
<v Speaker 1>i'm getting a little bit older, I'm approaching thirty, I'm

0:57:36.840 --> 0:57:39.440
<v Speaker 1>like scared. I'm like, I'm like scared of getting older

0:57:39.920 --> 0:57:44.760
<v Speaker 1>more than I want to admit, you know. But it's cool.

0:57:44.880 --> 0:57:48.160
<v Speaker 1>But the fact that you turn twenty nine and you're

0:57:48.240 --> 0:57:50.640
<v Speaker 1>like you were like a little freaked out, and then

0:57:50.680 --> 0:57:53.880
<v Speaker 1>a year later, you're feeling more zen. I'm like, oh,

0:57:53.960 --> 0:57:56.520
<v Speaker 1>that's like that's like cool to me. That makes me

0:57:56.600 --> 0:58:01.000
<v Speaker 1>feel like there's still time to shift and show like

0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:02.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna die tomorrow, you know what I mean.

0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:05.640
<v Speaker 1>There's still time to shift and change, you know, because

0:58:06.440 --> 0:58:08.560
<v Speaker 1>twenty seven you start to or you know, yeah, I'm

0:58:08.560 --> 0:58:09.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna turn twenty eight, and I start to be like,

0:58:11.200 --> 0:58:13.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm kind of aware of my own brain,

0:58:13.880 --> 0:58:16.360
<v Speaker 1>and I'm aware of my like patterns and habits and things,

0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:18.959
<v Speaker 1>and I'm aware of where they've got me thus far,

0:58:19.600 --> 0:58:23.439
<v Speaker 1>and they haven't gotten me to a horrible place thus far.

0:58:23.560 --> 0:58:27.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing okay, but part of me is like, oh crap,

0:58:27.080 --> 0:58:28.960
<v Speaker 1>if he you know, is it gonna keep going? If

0:58:28.960 --> 0:58:32.120
<v Speaker 1>it keeps going like this, then I don't know where

0:58:32.160 --> 0:58:35.479
<v Speaker 1>that leads, do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's and that's like I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>like the human the evolved like pattern recognition that leads

0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:50.000
<v Speaker 2>us to, like, you know, we're so prone to like

0:58:50.080 --> 0:58:52.960
<v Speaker 2>see a pattern and try and analyze where it's going

0:58:53.160 --> 0:58:57.120
<v Speaker 2>and to be wary of danger in the bushes, and

0:58:57.560 --> 0:58:59.840
<v Speaker 2>maybe that's the thing that leads us to naturally just

0:58:59.840 --> 0:59:02.120
<v Speaker 2>be like, Okay, well this happened before and this is

0:59:02.160 --> 0:59:04.880
<v Speaker 2>happening now, so obviously this is happening next. And I'm

0:59:04.920 --> 0:59:08.040
<v Speaker 2>just gonna be on this road forever. But it doesn't

0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:13.880
<v Speaker 2>I have like, it doesn't no, absolutely. I I the

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<v Speaker 2>first time I ever did acid, I remember sitting sitting

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<v Speaker 2>on a was it Twin Towers just no good Jesus Christ,

0:59:23.960 --> 0:59:28.160
<v Speaker 2>twin twin peaks in uh In in San Francisco and

0:59:28.200 --> 0:59:30.080
<v Speaker 2>looking over everything, and I just had this thought of,

0:59:30.120 --> 0:59:33.120
<v Speaker 2>like I love video games, so I'm like, oh shit,

0:59:33.320 --> 0:59:37.040
<v Speaker 2>like we're living in an open world game. It's not it's

0:59:37.080 --> 0:59:38.640
<v Speaker 2>not a linear thing to it. Like I could I

0:59:38.680 --> 0:59:40.600
<v Speaker 2>could run down there in my underwear if I wanted to,

0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:43.800
<v Speaker 2>Like I have every choice available to me. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>like destined on this path to you know, be the

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<v Speaker 2>same person that I said I was going to be.

0:59:51.320 --> 0:59:53.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if I have massive changes in my life,

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<v Speaker 2>like inspired by you know, I wanted to I want

0:59:58.000 --> 1:00:01.800
<v Speaker 2>to switch. I was like gung ho to be an

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<v Speaker 2>actor for like the better part of my life. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I hit a point where I was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I really want to do this anymore. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was hard to let go of that because I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I felt like I was dishonoring my.

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<v Speaker 1>Whole life but so much identity in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I had to. I had to. I just

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<v Speaker 2>had to recognize and respect the fact that like as

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<v Speaker 2>soon as I finally allowed myself to, Like I remember

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<v Speaker 2>one day, I'm toying it over, I'm like not in

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<v Speaker 2>a great place in my life, so I'm like having

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<v Speaker 2>a hard time even considering it. And I remember one

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<v Speaker 2>day just thinking like, Okay, well let me let me

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<v Speaker 2>put on this idea like a hat, like let me

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<v Speaker 2>just try it, like let me pretend for a moment

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<v Speaker 2>that this is my new path. And as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>I did, I felt all of this weight come off

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<v Speaker 2>me and I was like, oh my god, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>got to do something. I gotta I gotta follow that

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<v Speaker 2>there's something going on here. And I've come back around

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<v Speaker 2>to it, and I've had friends that are like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>do you want to like act in this thing? You

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<v Speaker 2>want to do this out? I'm like, yeah, sure, great,

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<v Speaker 2>but uh, like I you know, sometimes think about like

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<v Speaker 2>the inner child and like what what would that kid

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<v Speaker 2>want to look up to and see? Yeah, and that's beautiful,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think there's another side, which is the inner

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<v Speaker 2>child is a child, and sometimes you have to go, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>that's great, buddy, but we're doing something different now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, yeah, you got to look at your inner

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<v Speaker 1>child and be like, but you're gonna learn how the

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<v Speaker 1>world works. You know, it's not gonna it's not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>turn out exactly how you expected it to. But uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know. Sometimes this is a bad

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<v Speaker 1>way to look at life, I think. But sometimes I look,

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<v Speaker 1>b this is a bad way to look at life. This,

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<v Speaker 1>this creeps into this creeps into my head sometimes where

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, uh, this is just me being like because

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<v Speaker 1>I want good things for my life. But I'm also

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<v Speaker 1>I try to be realistic man, So I'm like I do,

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<v Speaker 1>and it also goes against because I do believe in

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<v Speaker 1>like manifestation in a sense of like your thoughts will

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<v Speaker 1>become your words, and shit, man, when did the therapy

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<v Speaker 1>Gecko podcast becomes so therapy anyway? But sometimes I do

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<v Speaker 1>look at my life and I'm like, I'm like what why.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, why why should nothing bad happen to you?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm like, why should everything work out for you?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I walk outside in New York or like I

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<v Speaker 1>walk around like like when I was in Iraq or

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<v Speaker 1>like what you know, you just like look you see

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<v Speaker 1>like everyone's kind of just like surviving and like living

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<v Speaker 1>their life and like whatever, You're not like that special

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm kind of like why why why should I

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<v Speaker 1>be amazing and everything works out for me and it

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<v Speaker 1>is awesome. Again, I don't think that's a healthy way

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<v Speaker 1>to live life, is to think that way, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>it's really not productive. But I'm just saying that that

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<v Speaker 1>happens to me, that that thought appears in my brain

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm like, why should everything work out for you

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<v Speaker 1>all the time? You know, that's like a crazy expectation

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<v Speaker 1>to have.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's super valid to to have this. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think anything that pops in a brain is like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, nothing, like it's you know, it's life and

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<v Speaker 2>it's nature. Like something pops in your brain. Okay, like

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<v Speaker 2>it's not wrong, but like how we choose to hold

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<v Speaker 2>it and what we choose to do because of it,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's that's up to us. Those are things that

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<v Speaker 2>we can make given bad choices on Yeah, thinking about yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead, well I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna I was just gonna say I'm gonna I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna challenge I'm gonna challenge that. I'm gonna try

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<v Speaker 1>to challenge that thought when it comes up and just

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<v Speaker 1>be like, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna counterpoint myself real

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<v Speaker 1>quick and just be like, Okay, the sure you can

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<v Speaker 1>think like that, but it's not help it's not helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's nihilistic and it's not helpful. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you've your my consciousness has spawned into this brain and

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<v Speaker 1>this body for whatever cosmic reason that I it's beyond

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<v Speaker 1>me that I'm tired of thinking about uh, And so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm responding. So, if I only have one goal, it's

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<v Speaker 1>for me to be responsible for my own like I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I like, I have the bandwidth to care about my

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<v Speaker 1>own happiness. And that's like kind of my job as

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<v Speaker 1>a human. And so you know, it's you should care

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<v Speaker 1>about whether or not you hate your you should care

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<v Speaker 1>about whether or not you're thriving. Like logically speaking, in

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<v Speaker 1>the same way I come to in the same with

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<v Speaker 1>the same logic I use to come to this conclusion

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<v Speaker 1>that I shouldn't be happy, I can use to come

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<v Speaker 1>to the conclusion that I should be happy. Does that

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<v Speaker 1>make sense?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, yeah, absolute, Yeah, you're you're something, the something

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<v Speaker 2>the switch I think I got. I go through a

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<v Speaker 2>similar process. I just like I don't I don't do

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<v Speaker 2>great with like good, like uh this this grand good

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<v Speaker 2>and bad idea In nature, I think that they're like

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<v Speaker 2>placeholder words for things that are or are not effective

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<v Speaker 2>towards a particular goal. Like murder happens all the time

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<v Speaker 2>in the animal kingdom, and we're not gonna say that's bad.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reason we say it's bad amongst us is

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<v Speaker 2>because it's not productive. It doesn't that doesn't help things along,

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<v Speaker 2>It's unequivocally not helpful. So I've I've come to like

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<v Speaker 2>try and train the words should out of my vocabulary

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<v Speaker 2>unless I'm very particular about how I'm using it, because

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what is what is should? You know? Like

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<v Speaker 2>we may live in this society that's like structured around

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<v Speaker 2>particular milestones and goals and metrics metrics of success, but

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<v Speaker 2>like at the end of the day, I'm just an animal,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and so like what what is should? Really there?

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<v Speaker 2>I can be a good person, and I'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>be a good person, and I will be a good person,

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<v Speaker 2>but like should should is it should make me claustrophobic,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, should It's.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, this would be an awesome testimony to give

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<v Speaker 1>in court after you murder someone. The way you said,

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<v Speaker 1>the way you said, I'm an animal, it reminds me.

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<v Speaker 1>Go on, everyone listening, go on YouTube and search. Hold on,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna find this real quick. Sorry to take us

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<v Speaker 1>completely off to I think it's Oh, it reminded me

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<v Speaker 1>of a search up Charles Manson Epic Answer. You ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen that video where he goes like, uh, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>way he said I'm an animal? Yes, everone on YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>search up Charles Manson Epic Answer, Like an interviewer is

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<v Speaker 1>like who are you? And he does a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>crazy faces and he goes and he goes, I'm nobody.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm nobody. And you kind of reminded me of that

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<v Speaker 1>just now. I don't think you would murder someone though

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're a nice guy. But I know, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know what you mean. There's no real rules of

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<v Speaker 1>should and shouldn't you get to Yeah, you get to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of decide what they are. But then that's a

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<v Speaker 1>that's a that's a big responsibility.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you know there again, let's you know, do

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<v Speaker 2>it today and say promise to do it tomorrow and

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<v Speaker 2>keep going from there. You got me thinking on I

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<v Speaker 2>always like to to make the claim that there's the

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<v Speaker 2>uh you know that for every everything happens for a reason,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and it's it can be a real like

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts and prayers of a statement. Sometimes it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>everything happens for a reason. I think it's bullshit, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think the I think the main thing I I

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<v Speaker 2>believe that it's been misunderstood. I think it's the exact

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<v Speaker 2>same but with a different connotation. I think it's not

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<v Speaker 2>everything happens for a reason, like towards some end, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's everything happens for a reason, like everything happens

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<v Speaker 2>because of something. It's it's it's all about context. It's

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<v Speaker 2>all like you know, particles colliding with each other that

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<v Speaker 2>create you know, the big bank. I don't know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not well versed in this, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're saying that everything happens for a reason. Is

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<v Speaker 1>a phrase that normally points forward. But you're like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I look at that as pointing backward.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which isn't going to like, you know, that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>give you the cozy blanket of assurance that's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>this bad thing is gonna end up okay, yeah, as much,

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<v Speaker 2>but like it does, I think like it for me

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<v Speaker 2>as like a very anxious person, it gives me context,

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<v Speaker 2>like it gives me when I'm you know, spiraling out there.

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<v Speaker 2>It gives me something to like grab onto and be like,

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<v Speaker 2>well I can understand this now. And that might not

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<v Speaker 2>be like cozy it's but I get I can get it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. Yeah, I don't like that phrase everything happens

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<v Speaker 1>for I hate Yeah, I don't like that. That feels

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<v Speaker 1>uh uh. I don't believe in some form of like

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<v Speaker 1>external cosmic thing that's like manicuring uh events to happen

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<v Speaker 1>for certain purposes. I think that's bullshit. Yeah, I'm kind

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<v Speaker 1>of one of those guys that believes that everything is

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<v Speaker 1>like a complete like cosmic accident. I'm not like, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's like typically like when saren, I believe here's

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<v Speaker 1>what I like, my the whole, like everything happens for

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<v Speaker 1>a reason or like serendipity or cosmic this. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that serendipity is kind of what happens natural truly as

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<v Speaker 1>a result of you putting forth some effort into the world.

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<v Speaker 1>I think. I think I've said this before a lot

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<v Speaker 1>and I and I mean it, but I think when

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<v Speaker 1>you like do stuff, like the universe kind of rewards you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't. I'm not even in like a woo

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<v Speaker 1>waway just like an a logical way, just because like

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much like because we live on a in

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<v Speaker 1>a world with so many like moving fucking parts and

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<v Speaker 1>so many different people and so much stuff going on

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<v Speaker 1>that when you decide to like it's like it's like

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<v Speaker 1>if the world is like a giant spinning tornado of

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<v Speaker 1>like entery of like and like in there, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the Wizard of Oz, Like you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>like chairs and Dorothy's and then the can of Witch

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<v Speaker 1>comes by and all that shit. Right, Like it's like

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<v Speaker 1>it's a big hurricane of action and things and you're

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<v Speaker 1>like standing on the sidelines of it. If you toss

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking ball in there, you know, it'll get swept

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<v Speaker 1>up in the hurricane and think or if you jump

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<v Speaker 1>into the fucking hurricane, you're gonna see some shit, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, Like you're you just like so

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<v Speaker 1>much kinetic energy is unfolding everywhere that if you just

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<v Speaker 1>do something to like leave yourself and interact with it,

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<v Speaker 1>something something comes back, you know, just lot like logically,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even like so when I say like the

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<v Speaker 1>universal wards you, I don't even mean that, and like

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<v Speaker 1>like it makes logical sense, especially now with like the Internet,

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<v Speaker 1>all of our like everything we do is like leveraged,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like you do one you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like like if you like I mean, like look at

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast right Like if I went if I went

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<v Speaker 1>out into the into the square in the seventeen hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>and I just started talking, I'd you know, i'd talked

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<v Speaker 1>to I'd maybe talk to like three people. But we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have this conversation. There's gonna be a few thousand

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<v Speaker 1>people that listen to it, and it's leveraged, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So we live in a we live in a crazy

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<v Speaker 1>leverage in the world. I don't know if I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying relates to anything we've been talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was in my head and I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>It came up for some reason.

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<v Speaker 1>It did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think the like the I I get really

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<v Speaker 2>on the perspective and how it's like everything that we

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<v Speaker 2>are in everything we do and everything we know is

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<v Speaker 2>reliant on perspective. And it's like the great shame on

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<v Speaker 2>the shame is not the right word, but the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the great struggle of our existence is that like

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<v Speaker 2>we'll never know true objectivity for something. So that tornado

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<v Speaker 2>from you know, God's eye, it probably is meticulously like intricate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's you know, you could you could take that tornado

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<v Speaker 2>in a simulation and study every single particle and like

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<v Speaker 2>where it's going, and it all has like this path

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<v Speaker 2>that like from outside of time makes sense. But for us,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like I'm hopping in the dam tornado. I

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<v Speaker 2>have no idea. I'm I'm I'm one thousand percent with

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<v Speaker 2>you on the agnosticism. And that's exactly where I land

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<v Speaker 2>on this stuff too, is maybe there's an answer. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it might be a guy in a cloud for all

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<v Speaker 2>I know, But I don't think I'm capable of knowing.

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<v Speaker 1>Dustin. Yeah, this was a good conversation, Dustin. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be honest with you. I yeah, like yesterday, when I

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<v Speaker 1>shut the laptop off early, I was like expecting that

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<v Speaker 1>I was like I was, I was kind of nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to do this. I was nervous that

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<v Speaker 1>this was going to happen again. But I've thoroughly enjoyed

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<v Speaker 1>our conversation. So I appreciate you being easy to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to and and fun to talk to and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>talking to me today.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>It was great to get on and inconnect and sure

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<v Speaker 2>some ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>Mmm, is there anything else that you wanted to say

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<v Speaker 1>or talk about at all before we go, or say

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<v Speaker 1>to the people of the computer, Are.

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<v Speaker 2>You gonna go to New Orleans Marty Gras?

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<v Speaker 1>When is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's in mid February.

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<v Speaker 1>Ship that could be kind of very.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome to party, Marty Gray, I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I am Marty Gras. Colors you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a little purple flare there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never been to New Orleans before. That's like one

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<v Speaker 1>of the few major cities in the States that I've

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<v Speaker 1>just never been to.

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<v Speaker 2>It's beautiful. I've gone once, very briefly for a wedding,

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<v Speaker 2>and now I'm gonna go spend a whole week there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not I'm not always crazy about like big crowd events,

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<v Speaker 2>but once in a lifetime thing just got to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Go do it, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm want to try to flash my tits and

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<v Speaker 1>get some beads.

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<v Speaker 2>I literally did that last time I was there. It

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<v Speaker 2>was it was very effective, beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait you so you went to Marty gars before?

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<v Speaker 2>No, just it was just it's still New Orleans.

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<v Speaker 1>They just wait, they just do that year round, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>So. Yeah, just some guys on on a balcony in

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<v Speaker 2>the French Quarter.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna test that.

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<v Speaker 3>Hell yeah, well if you go, uh text me, great party.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much for calling Dustin. I'll see you

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<v Speaker 1>around the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>Take care.

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<v Speaker 1>That was Dustin, nice guy. I liked Dustin. Do I

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<v Speaker 1>have any other post call thoughts. Marty Garos could be fun?

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<v Speaker 1>Hmm Yeah. That whole thing about like uh having like

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<v Speaker 1>a having like I love from a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious do you guys have to tell me in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the comments, do you guys still have like

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<v Speaker 1>x's or loves that you think about from like a

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<v Speaker 1>long time ago. It's interesting, I didn't really get to

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this like twenty to thirty. That's such a

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<v Speaker 1>huge fucking change. But yeah, I'm curious if anyone else

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<v Speaker 1>has like loves like that, like from like a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone has, you know, people like who've kind of come

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<v Speaker 1>in and out of their life and shit, but any

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like from anyone they just really haven't talked

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<v Speaker 1>to in a while. They're like, I wonder how they're doing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let me know. I'm curious. Hello, Okay, Uh. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>keep doing this thing where I I'm trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>the episodes a little longer. I know that there's been

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of ads in the podcast. I'm aware of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to make the podcasts longer so that it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like you're it's you know, it feels like you're

1:17:15.120 --> 1:17:20.280
<v Speaker 1>getting some podcasts with your ads. So I'm enjoying doing

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<v Speaker 1>this thing where I read the viewer mail at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the podcast. So I'm gonna I'm gonna do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna read a little handful of viewer mail to

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<v Speaker 1>bring us on home before we go. I'm also still

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<v Speaker 1>hyped up. I had a vibe ance and a coffee

1:17:40.439 --> 1:17:43.920
<v Speaker 1>and so I feel if there if if I were

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<v Speaker 1>ever in a mood to rant into a microphone about nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be now. So I'm gonna take advantage of

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<v Speaker 1>this Okay. This is from uh Kalum subject line fear

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<v Speaker 1>and loathing in Barnsley. Hi gek, I hope life is

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<v Speaker 1>treating you well. My name is Calem. I'm twenty nine

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<v Speaker 1>from Barnsley, South Yorkshire in England. I wanted to reach No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna do that. I wanted to reach out

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<v Speaker 1>as I've been going through some real therapy recently, as

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<v Speaker 1>I was struggling with some self image issues and grief

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<v Speaker 1>from both grandparents dying and a relationship ending a few

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. However, I still find myself wondering what's the

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<v Speaker 1>point in life. I genuinely question myself and wonder why

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to work at times, not from a depressive

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<v Speaker 1>point of view, but more so what do I want

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<v Speaker 1>to do with my life? I feel like I've got

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<v Speaker 1>the world at my feet and I don't know where

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<v Speaker 1>to jump. Over the past few years, I've been well

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<v Speaker 1>my whole life. Recently, I've been into cars and track days.

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<v Speaker 1>Track days are where you drive your car around in

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<v Speaker 1>circles on a racetrack all day. Whilst who I like

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<v Speaker 1>this use of wilst Whilst it is extremely fun and

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<v Speaker 1>was my sole motivation for a long period of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I now wonder if it's been worth it. I've managed

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<v Speaker 1>to buy a house, which I know is a real

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<v Speaker 1>achievement in twenty twenty five, but still feel little achievement

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<v Speaker 1>for it, and go on vacations around the hobby, visiting

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<v Speaker 1>the nerber Gring in Germany a few times, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as going on car related trips. Okay, I'm gonna google

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<v Speaker 1>what Neurbering is. Oh, then it's like a big ass well,

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<v Speaker 1>holy fucking shit, it is one hundred and fifty thousand

1:19:37.640 --> 1:19:43.439
<v Speaker 1>person capacity motor sports complex. That's crazy. That's cool. It's

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<v Speaker 1>good to have a thing. You gotta have a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not a fan of I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's good to have a thing. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>need to I was gonna say, I'm not a fan.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like fast cars. They scare me. But whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy's got a thing. It's good to have a thing,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if the thing gets you around people and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>visiting Germany. Okay, back to the email. I have a

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<v Speaker 1>feeling that I need to travel more and experience more

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<v Speaker 1>of life and people. But doing this I struggle as

1:20:12.640 --> 1:20:15.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm a single guy. And it's hard convincing friends to

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<v Speaker 1>come along when the price for trips can be high.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm lucky enough that I get to travel around Europe

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<v Speaker 1>for work, and I've been to pretty much every part

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<v Speaker 1>of Germany with this, but I still find myself wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to look further Afield so much so I'd argue it's

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite country to visit. That's cool. I've also started

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<v Speaker 1>riding mountain bikes, and I love the feeling it gives

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<v Speaker 1>me when I'm out in the trail and the bonds

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<v Speaker 1>I share with the friends I do it with. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I want to leave the car stuff behind.

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<v Speaker 1>As the guys I know from it can be wankers,

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<v Speaker 1>even though I like them, but they do drag me

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<v Speaker 1>down at times. I've distanced myself from them, but feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I've spent less and less time with people. But

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<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, I feel like the time I'm

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<v Speaker 1>spending with people is worthwhile and truly enriching my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Am I just being a drama queen? Or do you

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<v Speaker 1>see where I'm coming from? I feel like I'm being

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<v Speaker 1>a typical privileged person and crying about doing things I enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>Cheers and keep up the good work. If you ever

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<v Speaker 1>find yourself wanting to visit Yorkshire and need a place

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<v Speaker 1>to stay, I'm your man. Thanks, Kalum, Thank you, Kalum.

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<v Speaker 1>This a nice invitation. Well, first of all, listen, here's

1:21:24.920 --> 1:21:27.479
<v Speaker 1>the thing about you being a drama queen and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 1>Is like, listen, everyone's life is relative to theirs, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've done this thing in my own life where I

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<v Speaker 1>have the same thoughts as you, where I'm like, am

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<v Speaker 1>I being a drama queen? Whatever? Whatever? Whatever? Listen completely

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<v Speaker 1>denying the existence of any of your feelings, because there's

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<v Speaker 1>people with worse feelings out there. Is it's good to

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledge that you have it good and whatnot. But at

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<v Speaker 1>a certain point, it's just like, you know, you're just

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<v Speaker 1>beating yourself up. It's not like helpful. It's like I

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<v Speaker 1>fucking said to the caller earlier, where I was like, shit,

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<v Speaker 1>hold on, I fucking was gonna make a connection and

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<v Speaker 1>it just left my brain. Oh yeah, that's what I

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<v Speaker 1>said to the caller earlier, where I was like, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>have this thought in my head where I'll be like

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<v Speaker 1>why should I be happy or this or that the

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<v Speaker 1>other thing, And I don't think that's a productive thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I have that same thought, and I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a productive thought to have. So I'm gonna say to

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<v Speaker 1>you that I don't think it's a productive thought to have.

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<v Speaker 1>There's definitely people out there who do who I think

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<v Speaker 1>do need to kind of have some and it's helpful

1:22:39.240 --> 1:22:41.360
<v Speaker 1>to have some like perspective and be like, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's helpful to have some perspective. But you're feeling a thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it's you know, good to it's okay

1:22:48.360 --> 1:22:55.280
<v Speaker 1>to validate your own feelings. Anyway. I have a lot

1:22:55.280 --> 1:22:59.240
<v Speaker 1>of thoughts about this. Yeah, it can be tough if

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<v Speaker 1>you're like a single and you want to go do

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<v Speaker 1>shit and you know you're you're kind of navigating, like, bro,

1:23:07.439 --> 1:23:12.480
<v Speaker 1>this is the this is the the lone wolf ponderer

1:23:13.720 --> 1:23:19.400
<v Speaker 1>versus the social butterfly kind of a thing. You know,

1:23:22.320 --> 1:23:26.280
<v Speaker 1>and clearly you've met a lot of friends doing this

1:23:26.400 --> 1:23:29.360
<v Speaker 1>car stuff. But there also comes a time where you

1:23:29.439 --> 1:23:32.719
<v Speaker 1>have to look around people you're with and be like, wait,

1:23:32.800 --> 1:23:37.439
<v Speaker 1>are all my friends fucking complete assholes? And it's hard

1:23:37.439 --> 1:23:39.800
<v Speaker 1>because sometimes you're sometimes you look around and you're like,

1:23:39.880 --> 1:23:43.519
<v Speaker 1>oh shit, all of my friends are complete assholes. But

1:23:43.800 --> 1:23:49.160
<v Speaker 1>they're there. You know, if I call them, they pick up.

1:23:49.360 --> 1:23:52.519
<v Speaker 1>Are you are your asshole friends? At least there? Because

1:23:52.520 --> 1:23:54.960
<v Speaker 1>we all have people in our life who were like, yeah,

1:23:55.000 --> 1:24:00.120
<v Speaker 1>this person kind of sucks, but you know I love them.

1:24:00.720 --> 1:24:04.880
<v Speaker 1>They pick up the phone when I call them. Uh,

1:24:05.040 --> 1:24:07.960
<v Speaker 1>they're who's around. They're in my life. They're not like

1:24:08.800 --> 1:24:10.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, you have you have people who

1:24:10.560 --> 1:24:12.080
<v Speaker 1>are kind of like on the peripheral and like they

1:24:12.160 --> 1:24:13.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of have their own life and they're doing that

1:24:13.920 --> 1:24:16.600
<v Speaker 1>and you see them, and if those people are assholes,

1:24:16.640 --> 1:24:20.840
<v Speaker 1>then it's like, well, that's who cares. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not I don't. I'm not gonna go out of my

1:24:21.920 --> 1:24:24.040
<v Speaker 1>way to be friends with something like that. But yeah,

1:24:24.040 --> 1:24:25.639
<v Speaker 1>people who are like like you know, they're like in

1:24:25.720 --> 1:24:28.040
<v Speaker 1>your life. You see them like kind of every day

1:24:28.120 --> 1:24:29.679
<v Speaker 1>you talk to them, like kind of every day they're

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<v Speaker 1>up to date on you and your existence. And maybe

1:24:32.760 --> 1:24:34.840
<v Speaker 1>those people are kind of assholes, but that those people

1:24:34.880 --> 1:24:36.800
<v Speaker 1>are kind of like, you know, we all have like

1:24:36.880 --> 1:24:39.639
<v Speaker 1>a someone who's kind of an asshole, but like they're

1:24:39.640 --> 1:24:44.280
<v Speaker 1>in our life. You know, I don't know if anything

1:24:44.280 --> 1:24:53.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying is helpful, but hmmm, I empathize with a

1:24:53.080 --> 1:24:56.280
<v Speaker 1>lot of what you're talking about, Kalem in terms of like,

1:24:57.960 --> 1:25:00.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, you want just what you want was so

1:25:00.400 --> 1:25:02.880
<v Speaker 1>much out of life, but you're also you want a

1:25:02.880 --> 1:25:04.840
<v Speaker 1>lot at a life and that kind of isolates you

1:25:04.920 --> 1:25:10.000
<v Speaker 1>in a way, and you're like, should I continue to

1:25:10.080 --> 1:25:14.880
<v Speaker 1>isolate myself and go on this like journey or should

1:25:14.880 --> 1:25:19.840
<v Speaker 1>I kind of hang back and you know, spend time

1:25:19.920 --> 1:25:25.160
<v Speaker 1>with uh these wankers. I get what you mean. I'm

1:25:25.280 --> 1:25:33.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of on the side of taking the journey. I think, uh,

1:25:34.120 --> 1:25:35.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, you're twenty nine, You're not getna Tony Younger.

1:25:36.680 --> 1:25:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm always on the side of taking the journey, even

1:25:38.960 --> 1:25:42.400
<v Speaker 1>if you're have to do it alone. I feel like

1:25:42.479 --> 1:25:49.400
<v Speaker 1>you're you're always gonna be glad you took the journey.

1:25:49.520 --> 1:25:51.719
<v Speaker 1>If that's what this email is about. If this email

1:25:51.760 --> 1:25:53.960
<v Speaker 1>is about should I take the journey alone or not?

1:25:54.240 --> 1:25:57.240
<v Speaker 1>I kind of usually think it's best to take the

1:25:57.320 --> 1:25:59.720
<v Speaker 1>journey alone, especially because again, you're not gonna you know,

1:25:59.800 --> 1:26:01.960
<v Speaker 1>you're only going to get it's only ever going to

1:26:02.000 --> 1:26:06.439
<v Speaker 1>get harder in life to take these journeys. It's only

1:26:06.520 --> 1:26:09.960
<v Speaker 1>ever going to get more difficult. I mean, listen to

1:26:10.000 --> 1:26:12.000
<v Speaker 1>the fucking I mean, look at your twenty nine right,

1:26:12.320 --> 1:26:15.920
<v Speaker 1>you could you in two years, you could have a

1:26:15.960 --> 1:26:23.439
<v Speaker 1>life where you travel around Europe alone for two years,

1:26:24.160 --> 1:26:30.679
<v Speaker 1>get really depressed, try to kill yourself, and then at

1:26:30.760 --> 1:26:35.920
<v Speaker 1>thirty five, you're like with your beautiful girlfriend and you

1:26:35.920 --> 1:26:39.840
<v Speaker 1>have a cat and everything's okay. You know, like life,

1:26:40.040 --> 1:26:47.599
<v Speaker 1>like life works weirdly like that because you only ever

1:26:47.680 --> 1:26:52.080
<v Speaker 1>know it looking back. But yeah, I don't know. I

1:26:52.080 --> 1:26:54.000
<v Speaker 1>after like talking to a bunch of people and seeing

1:26:54.800 --> 1:26:58.120
<v Speaker 1>like how people's lives kind of work out, you know,

1:26:58.160 --> 1:26:59.680
<v Speaker 1>it seems like it can kind of take a lot

1:26:59.720 --> 1:27:03.600
<v Speaker 1>of different turns, and so I don't know. I'm with

1:27:03.720 --> 1:27:10.120
<v Speaker 1>you on jumping, you know. Yeah, if you're wondering what

1:27:10.160 --> 1:27:12.880
<v Speaker 1>the fucking point of life is, it seems like you

1:27:12.880 --> 1:27:15.880
<v Speaker 1>you gotta jump because I get like that too every

1:27:15.920 --> 1:27:19.240
<v Speaker 1>fucking time. Every fucking time, I'm like just like on

1:27:19.320 --> 1:27:21.679
<v Speaker 1>my couch with my face down and in my underwear,

1:27:21.720 --> 1:27:25.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm laying around in trash, and I'm like, i think

1:27:25.040 --> 1:27:29.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm dying, perhaps me like like multiple times a week,

1:27:29.720 --> 1:27:31.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I think I'm I think this is it.

1:27:31.280 --> 1:27:34.040
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm done. I think I'm dying, laying around

1:27:34.040 --> 1:27:37.600
<v Speaker 1>in trash, and then I'm like, Okay, I gotta go,

1:27:37.640 --> 1:27:41.000
<v Speaker 1>I gotta, I gotta go do something crazy and then

1:27:41.000 --> 1:27:42.519
<v Speaker 1>I go. And that's that's why I that's why I

1:27:42.560 --> 1:27:45.760
<v Speaker 1>went to Iraq, is just to be like, I gotta,

1:27:45.840 --> 1:27:49.639
<v Speaker 1>I gotta remind myself I'm alive in some way, shape

1:27:49.680 --> 1:27:52.120
<v Speaker 1>or form. And by the way, you don't know, you

1:27:52.120 --> 1:27:53.960
<v Speaker 1>don't not You don't have to go to Iraq or

1:27:54.000 --> 1:27:56.400
<v Speaker 1>go to Germany or go whatever to do that. You know,

1:27:56.400 --> 1:27:58.240
<v Speaker 1>you can do any little thing that gets you out

1:27:58.240 --> 1:28:03.360
<v Speaker 1>of your existence to do that. But kalem, whatever it

1:28:03.400 --> 1:28:07.360
<v Speaker 1>is that you can do to like metaphorically splash some

1:28:07.560 --> 1:28:11.280
<v Speaker 1>water on yourself, it doesn't have to be a big thing.

1:28:11.320 --> 1:28:16.719
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to you know, cure cancer or whatever.

1:28:16.800 --> 1:28:19.680
<v Speaker 1>But just make a little list of whatever you think

1:28:19.680 --> 1:28:22.759
<v Speaker 1>you could do to kind of spiritually splash some fucking

1:28:22.800 --> 1:28:24.760
<v Speaker 1>water on yourself and remind you that you're not dead.

1:28:25.760 --> 1:28:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Is good. I hope that was remotely helpful. Okay, this

1:28:36.320 --> 1:28:40.719
<v Speaker 1>is from Zach subject line, help me decide, yo, mister Ghek.

1:28:41.080 --> 1:28:43.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm twenty three and I'm working a decent county job

1:28:43.920 --> 1:28:47.559
<v Speaker 1>that's easy and routine. It's the best quality job I've had,

1:28:47.880 --> 1:28:50.479
<v Speaker 1>but it's soul sucking, and I can't see myself doing

1:28:50.520 --> 1:28:53.599
<v Speaker 1>it forever. I've been thinking about going to community college

1:28:53.640 --> 1:28:56.240
<v Speaker 1>for game development because I love the idea of making

1:28:56.280 --> 1:28:59.280
<v Speaker 1>games and could see myself doing that happily. I spent

1:28:59.320 --> 1:29:02.000
<v Speaker 1>almost a year making my first game to test if

1:29:02.000 --> 1:29:04.639
<v Speaker 1>it was just a phase. It's not great, but I'm

1:29:04.640 --> 1:29:07.640
<v Speaker 1>proud of finishing it. Since then, I've fallen off and

1:29:07.720 --> 1:29:10.760
<v Speaker 1>struggled to say to stay consistent on my own.

1:29:11.479 --> 1:29:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Part of me.

1:29:11.920 --> 1:29:14.600
<v Speaker 1>Feels like the structure of school could finally give me

1:29:14.640 --> 1:29:17.599
<v Speaker 1>the discipline i'm missing. What's holding me back is worrying

1:29:18.160 --> 1:29:22.160
<v Speaker 1>that a community college game dev program might not actually

1:29:22.200 --> 1:29:25.679
<v Speaker 1>be that worth it. It's an it's an industry where

1:29:25.680 --> 1:29:28.720
<v Speaker 1>people kind of lean against going to college, and it's

1:29:28.760 --> 1:29:32.320
<v Speaker 1>more about your portfolio and knowledge. I'm afraid to potentially

1:29:32.400 --> 1:29:34.640
<v Speaker 1>waste the money I've saved up because it took me

1:29:34.680 --> 1:29:37.479
<v Speaker 1>a long time to build another thing. Holding me back

1:29:37.560 --> 1:29:39.760
<v Speaker 1>is a classic fear of failure. So what do you

1:29:39.800 --> 1:29:42.160
<v Speaker 1>think I should do? I wouldn't be able to do

1:29:43.080 --> 1:29:45.720
<v Speaker 1>both at once. I have more thoughts, but this is

1:29:45.720 --> 1:29:49.479
<v Speaker 1>too long. Why can't you do both at once? Is it?

1:29:49.520 --> 1:29:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Is it just like that crazy of a job that

1:29:51.880 --> 1:29:55.920
<v Speaker 1>it's like fucking like is it like an is your

1:29:56.600 --> 1:30:00.240
<v Speaker 1>county job like eighty hours a week? Ps? Here here's

1:30:00.280 --> 1:30:02.800
<v Speaker 1>my first shitty game if you're curious. Okay, I'm gonna

1:30:02.800 --> 1:30:04.080
<v Speaker 1>play this.

1:30:04.080 --> 1:30:04.639
<v Speaker 3>This is like a.

1:30:04.560 --> 1:30:10.240
<v Speaker 1>Browser game that I can play Infernal Ascent. Infernal Ascent

1:30:10.439 --> 1:30:12.880
<v Speaker 1>is a fast paced vertical platform or whether the player

1:30:12.960 --> 1:30:16.080
<v Speaker 1>must rush against the heat to finish, climb through a

1:30:16.120 --> 1:30:19.680
<v Speaker 1>hellish gauntlet of fire, darkness, and deadly traps as the

1:30:19.680 --> 1:30:26.360
<v Speaker 1>flames rise beneath your feet, There's only one way to survive. Up. Okay,

1:30:26.360 --> 1:30:29.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna. I don't know how great of an audio

1:30:29.600 --> 1:30:31.840
<v Speaker 1>experience it will be to listen to me play this game,

1:30:31.880 --> 1:30:35.920
<v Speaker 1>but I'm gonna play it. Okay, run game. Okay, this

1:30:35.960 --> 1:30:41.519
<v Speaker 1>is on the gott It game engine. I'm gonna try

1:30:41.560 --> 1:30:45.800
<v Speaker 1>to live speak myself playing this game. Okay, I'm gonna

1:30:45.800 --> 1:30:49.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm hitting play. Okay, the wait, what the fuck?

1:30:49.080 --> 1:30:49.240
<v Speaker 2>Well?

1:30:49.240 --> 1:30:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, w asd Okay, Okay, I died. I'm engulfed in flames. Okay,

1:30:54.360 --> 1:30:57.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying again. I don't know if this is gonna

1:30:57.760 --> 1:31:00.559
<v Speaker 1>make for a good podcast, but I'm playing playing this game.

1:31:00.560 --> 1:31:04.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm collecting coins I'm jumping. Fuck all right, I died

1:31:04.320 --> 1:31:08.240
<v Speaker 1>in Flames again. Okay. I'm dressed as a little character

1:31:08.320 --> 1:31:10.599
<v Speaker 1>that he kind of looks like a cyclops. I'm collecting

1:31:10.600 --> 1:31:12.240
<v Speaker 1>a coin. I don't know if people can hear the

1:31:13.760 --> 1:31:16.479
<v Speaker 1>oh fuck I died again? Okay, all right, honestly already,

1:31:16.680 --> 1:31:18.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I just I like platformers. I'm a

1:31:18.439 --> 1:31:21.519
<v Speaker 1>big fan of like Mario Maker and Super meat Boy

1:31:21.600 --> 1:31:25.519
<v Speaker 1>and shit like that, so I'm already addicted to this.

1:31:28.640 --> 1:31:32.639
<v Speaker 1>I guess to answer your question while I'm playing your game. Wait,

1:31:32.840 --> 1:31:36.120
<v Speaker 1>fucking okay, all right, I don't know a lot about

1:31:36.120 --> 1:31:38.800
<v Speaker 1>the game. Shit, fuck, I don't know a lot about

1:31:38.800 --> 1:31:44.240
<v Speaker 1>the game development. Okay, you can like climb walls? Is

1:31:44.240 --> 1:31:44.760
<v Speaker 1>that what this is?

1:31:44.840 --> 1:31:45.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay?

1:31:45.080 --> 1:31:46.360
<v Speaker 1>I fucked up? Can you climb that?

1:31:47.360 --> 1:31:47.640
<v Speaker 3>All right?

1:31:47.680 --> 1:31:51.080
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, I'll play more of this when I'm not recording

1:31:51.080 --> 1:31:51.720
<v Speaker 1>a podcast.

1:31:51.800 --> 1:31:54.799
<v Speaker 2>But I'm.

1:31:56.520 --> 1:32:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, so here's the thing is, I'm I guess the

1:32:02.320 --> 1:32:07.360
<v Speaker 1>community college. Yeah, I well, I lean against going to

1:32:07.439 --> 1:32:11.840
<v Speaker 1>college for a shit like this, only because, like I mean,

1:32:11.840 --> 1:32:14.120
<v Speaker 1>you made a game, right, and we live in a

1:32:14.160 --> 1:32:17.439
<v Speaker 1>world where if you want to make money making your

1:32:17.479 --> 1:32:24.559
<v Speaker 1>own video games, you can do it. But like I don't.

1:32:25.000 --> 1:32:26.559
<v Speaker 1>This is not an industry I know a lot about.

1:32:26.600 --> 1:32:30.120
<v Speaker 1>But it's like you you know, there's fucking Steam. There's

1:32:30.160 --> 1:32:32.320
<v Speaker 1>never been a either Steam. There's never been like an

1:32:32.360 --> 1:32:36.559
<v Speaker 1>easier universe to just like make a game and have

1:32:36.680 --> 1:32:39.839
<v Speaker 1>people play it and like you know, make your games

1:32:39.880 --> 1:32:42.719
<v Speaker 1>and market them, and like, I don't know how people

1:32:42.720 --> 1:32:44.479
<v Speaker 1>make money doing that, and I don't know if it's

1:32:44.520 --> 1:32:47.479
<v Speaker 1>like I don't, I don't even know what the deal is.

1:32:47.520 --> 1:32:50.479
<v Speaker 1>But this is like you're starting a business, right And

1:32:50.520 --> 1:32:56.880
<v Speaker 1>so if I were you and I wanted to, if

1:32:56.880 --> 1:32:58.280
<v Speaker 1>I were, if here's the thing, If I were you,

1:32:58.360 --> 1:33:00.240
<v Speaker 1>I would take the risk. I don't know how I

1:33:00.280 --> 1:33:05.680
<v Speaker 1>feel about game development college. It's it's similar to how

1:33:05.720 --> 1:33:09.439
<v Speaker 1>I feel about like film school, which is like, I

1:33:09.439 --> 1:33:13.519
<v Speaker 1>mean you can spend like like there's programs out there

1:33:13.520 --> 1:33:16.000
<v Speaker 1>that's like yeah, you can totally spend like hundreds of

1:33:16.120 --> 1:33:19.840
<v Speaker 1>thousands of fucking dollars to go to film school. And

1:33:19.880 --> 1:33:23.439
<v Speaker 1>it's like, bro with the money, Like, let's say, I

1:33:23.479 --> 1:33:25.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know how much this community college program is. If

1:33:26.000 --> 1:33:28.680
<v Speaker 1>it's like I don't, I don't, I don't know how

1:33:28.760 --> 1:33:31.320
<v Speaker 1>much community college programs are, but let's I'm gonna throw

1:33:31.360 --> 1:33:34.439
<v Speaker 1>a number out there. Let's say it's like fifty grand

1:33:34.560 --> 1:33:38.719
<v Speaker 1>or some shit, right, if you're about to spend fifty

1:33:38.760 --> 1:33:42.160
<v Speaker 1>if you I think the idea of you spending the money,

1:33:42.600 --> 1:33:45.400
<v Speaker 1>of you investing the money that you've saved up into

1:33:45.439 --> 1:33:50.479
<v Speaker 1>your game development career is a good idea. But I

1:33:50.520 --> 1:33:53.320
<v Speaker 1>don't think that game development school is the best way

1:33:53.320 --> 1:33:57.599
<v Speaker 1>to do that because, like you know, again I don't

1:33:57.640 --> 1:33:59.320
<v Speaker 1>know anything about the game industry, but like you know,

1:33:59.360 --> 1:34:01.439
<v Speaker 1>it costs money to make a game. I'm sure it

1:34:01.439 --> 1:34:06.400
<v Speaker 1>costs money to market a game. Like I would just like,

1:34:07.520 --> 1:34:09.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, make it. I mean, think about all those

1:34:09.320 --> 1:34:11.280
<v Speaker 1>filmmakers who are like I didn't go to film school.

1:34:11.280 --> 1:34:14.320
<v Speaker 1>I spent the money I would have spent going to

1:34:14.360 --> 1:34:18.200
<v Speaker 1>film school to actually make a movie. And so if

1:34:18.240 --> 1:34:20.320
<v Speaker 1>I were you, if I was going to do this,

1:34:20.479 --> 1:34:23.800
<v Speaker 1>I would spend that I would allocate that money on

1:34:25.320 --> 1:34:29.519
<v Speaker 1>making the game. Don't waste all don't spend all of

1:34:29.560 --> 1:34:33.240
<v Speaker 1>your money on it, Like like you don't wanna like

1:34:33.360 --> 1:34:36.639
<v Speaker 1>set aside some money like what like an emergency fund

1:34:36.720 --> 1:34:39.639
<v Speaker 1>and like make it so that you're not like fucking

1:34:39.720 --> 1:34:42.800
<v Speaker 1>kicking yourself for this. But like you know, it's okay

1:34:42.800 --> 1:34:44.200
<v Speaker 1>to spend a little bit of money to be like,

1:34:44.200 --> 1:34:46.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I have this game idea that I want

1:34:46.640 --> 1:34:51.200
<v Speaker 1>to really throw myself into marketing and making and doing.

1:34:55.000 --> 1:34:55.040
<v Speaker 2>So.

1:34:55.080 --> 1:34:57.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's a bad idea, but spend as

1:34:57.720 --> 1:35:00.320
<v Speaker 1>little money on it as you can, right, I mean,

1:35:00.360 --> 1:35:04.920
<v Speaker 1>how much you have the software already to make the game.

1:35:06.000 --> 1:35:07.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much money it costs to like

1:35:07.720 --> 1:35:11.599
<v Speaker 1>market something like this or to you know, run ads

1:35:11.720 --> 1:35:16.519
<v Speaker 1>or you know, like I don't I don't know. I

1:35:16.520 --> 1:35:18.280
<v Speaker 1>don't know what's evolved in it. But but you should

1:35:18.320 --> 1:35:22.080
<v Speaker 1>go for it in some sense because because you know,

1:35:22.120 --> 1:35:26.200
<v Speaker 1>you're so young, like you can always get another fucking job.

1:35:27.360 --> 1:35:30.200
<v Speaker 1>You know it's worth it to try. I think it's

1:35:30.240 --> 1:35:31.760
<v Speaker 1>worth it to try, and you don't have to go

1:35:31.880 --> 1:35:35.759
<v Speaker 1>broke trying. And I wouldn't go try to go broke trying.

1:35:36.080 --> 1:35:41.640
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know if I'm just diarrheating, but I

1:35:41.640 --> 1:35:43.240
<v Speaker 1>think it's worth it to try. Because you're twenty three,

1:35:43.280 --> 1:35:52.320
<v Speaker 1>you can just always get another fucking job. I'm I'm

1:35:52.320 --> 1:35:55.200
<v Speaker 1>not a big fan of going to community college for

1:35:55.280 --> 1:35:58.000
<v Speaker 1>game development. I think if you're gonna spend that, I

1:35:58.080 --> 1:36:00.080
<v Speaker 1>think you don't need to spend that kind of money,

1:36:00.520 --> 1:36:02.400
<v Speaker 1>and I think if you're gonna spend that kind of money,

1:36:02.439 --> 1:36:06.280
<v Speaker 1>I think there's better ways to allocate the funds. I

1:36:06.360 --> 1:36:10.440
<v Speaker 1>like your game, The Infernal Ascent. Is this your website?

1:36:15.160 --> 1:36:21.559
<v Speaker 1>Tso uh, I want to get I want if if okay,

1:36:21.640 --> 1:36:27.280
<v Speaker 1>if people, I want to share your game on the show,

1:36:27.280 --> 1:36:29.960
<v Speaker 1>if anyone wants to listen, if anyone wants to play it.

1:36:31.479 --> 1:36:36.680
<v Speaker 1>But it's a little hard to okay, Okay, so you're

1:36:36.760 --> 1:36:38.400
<v Speaker 1>if you want to play this guy's game, you go

1:36:38.479 --> 1:36:44.439
<v Speaker 1>to tie CEO. That's t I E S I O

1:36:45.600 --> 1:36:56.599
<v Speaker 1>dot Itch Dot I O Slash Infernal Dash Ascent. If

1:36:56.640 --> 1:36:59.360
<v Speaker 1>you want to play this guy's game. I like, I like,

1:36:59.439 --> 1:37:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I like your game. Should make more games, keep going,

1:37:03.720 --> 1:37:08.160
<v Speaker 1>keep going, Zach, all right, I think I think we

1:37:08.200 --> 1:37:12.479
<v Speaker 1>did it. Unless if I have one more Okay, I

1:37:12.520 --> 1:37:16.160
<v Speaker 1>have one more email. Okay. This is from Shark subject

1:37:16.240 --> 1:37:20.680
<v Speaker 1>line inquiry about episode themes. I was wondering if every

1:37:20.720 --> 1:37:22.800
<v Speaker 1>once in a while you could do an episode without

1:37:22.920 --> 1:37:26.360
<v Speaker 1>sex or love themes. There are a few, but sometimes

1:37:26.360 --> 1:37:29.000
<v Speaker 1>it can be a lot and bring back bad memories.

1:37:30.320 --> 1:37:34.439
<v Speaker 1>The train hopping and Distant Dad stories were instant favorites

1:37:34.439 --> 1:37:36.960
<v Speaker 1>for me because they were more about growth than decay.

1:37:38.520 --> 1:37:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for your time and consideration. I appreciate everything

1:37:41.040 --> 1:37:46.639
<v Speaker 1>you do. Get bless Mark. I don't. I just kind

1:37:46.640 --> 1:37:48.920
<v Speaker 1>of well, actually, I guess this whole episode was a

1:37:48.920 --> 1:37:51.040
<v Speaker 1>lot about love. Yeah, this whole episode was about love

1:37:51.080 --> 1:37:53.560
<v Speaker 1>pretty much. So you're gonna be very disappointed when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes out. But I just feel the call. I just

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<v Speaker 1>feel the calls that come in. Brother listen, don't ask

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<v Speaker 1>don't don't don't ask me, brother asked the universe. The

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<v Speaker 1>universe is making the people want to talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>things that they're talking about. I got no control over that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think I don't think. But the way you said,

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<v Speaker 1>the way that you're implying that a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>episodes are about decay rather than growth, I disagree. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think this entire episode was about growth. Our boy

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<v Speaker 1>from the beginning, Dustin and ah fuck, why am I

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<v Speaker 1>forgetting Dustin and Charles? Dustin and Charles, I think both

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<v Speaker 1>of them are like I like love. Those are both

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<v Speaker 1>stories of growth to me, And uh, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like a lot I feel like most of the

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<v Speaker 1>time when people call into this show, it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>story of growth. It's one of the reasons I like.

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<v Speaker 1>I like doing it because it's helpful to me, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>see other people, especially people who are like a little

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<v Speaker 1>older than me, because I get scared about like, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, decaying. But it seems like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people that get older, they don't grow. They don't decay,

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<v Speaker 1>they grow. It's just nice. So I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you see that mark. All right, that's the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the podcast. I'm gonna go thank you guys for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm gonna I might do an I R.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but I'm gonna do an I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>done an IRL episode in a bit. Like people don't

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<v Speaker 1>like to listen to them as much. It seems only

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<v Speaker 1>by numbers. But I like doing them. They're fun. It's

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<v Speaker 1>fun to go out as a get go and talk

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<v Speaker 1>to people in real life. So I'm gonna do it again.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you listen to it. I hope you like it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still working on my Iraq video. I haven't started

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<v Speaker 1>it yet. I'm trying to do one. I trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do one documentary a month. I was interact for a

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<v Speaker 1>bit and then I got sick, So I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm gonna get this fucking thing done on the

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<v Speaker 1>timeline that I want to get it done, but i'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get it done, and it's gonna be sick anyway. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, I'm gonna stop talking. Thanks for listening, Get

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<v Speaker 1>bless see you next time ever beacon goes on the

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<v Speaker 1>line taking your phone calls. Every night every Beacon goes

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<v Speaker 1>to and to ride. I'm just teaching you aloud in

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<v Speaker 1>the mid of your life. But he's not really an expert.