WEBVTT - Episode 3 - Separated 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:05.640 I do remember, like, imagine where we're gonna end up, 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:10.000 were like, well, life was gonna be I had no clue. 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.960 Sacrifice We're gonna have to make every day. It was 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:17.000 gonna take work, and every day it was gonna take 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:20.400 a thought process to make sure that I was going 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:32.480 to be a different person. Hey, it's fifty. 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.600 Cent and I'm Charlie Webster. This is a five and 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:39.600 old chapter The Twins who brought down a reward season two. 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:54.960 The Baby and the Bentley were crazy and caused some 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:58.200 real problems for the brothers, but it was the third 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:02.280 beat the Billboards they completely turned up what their lives 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.360 were about to look like in prison. The twins had 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:08.520 been together since they won people who even called them 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:12.759 just twin for twenty eight years. Every decision they made, 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.240 they made it together, and now they were both a 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.520 long for the first time in their lives, they didn't 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:19.320 have each other. 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:19.720 To rely on. 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:24.039 The billboards meant their special privilege of being housed together 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.880 in prison was taken away. Jay was blamed and pulled 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:30.120 from his cell in the middle of the night. He 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:33.840 was put on a plane to the notoriously inhumane mcc 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:37.880 New York. The conditions there are so bad that in 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:40.520 twenty twenty one it had to be shut down. Over 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.560 two years later it remains that way whilst the government 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:44.880 figures out what to do with it. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:54.480 So MCC New York was to us was the worst 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:58.480 place because it was a woodsick unit in the MCC 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:04.320 Metropolitan and Correctional Center, which is where they house Chapel 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:09.200 Epstein and and they house 'em in the s in 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.800 the segregated to shoot you know unit and on the 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.799 third floor is where they kept you know with it. 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:21.480 It's a special unit for cooperators, and it's the worst thing. 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:31.000 It was like a like really intense watch on you okay, 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:34.680 on your mail, on anything. Cause it's fourteen sixteen cells. 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:39.200 There's probably fourteen in me all the trouble makers, right, 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:44.120 the worst of the worst. That's your last spot, either 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:46.239 your it's your last spot before you get kicked out 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.960 the program or or if you're going there to go 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.200 to court to testify, you know, that's where you go. 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:58.200 And it's the worst place. They let you out to 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:03.240 to the rooftop me once a week for now. This 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.240 is the worst part. That the food is cooked by 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:10.760 the inmates in the building. They know that that units 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:16.200 for cooperators. So every time they send the food trays out, 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.120 they come with a little specialist price. I'm talking about 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:21.120 every time if it's gonna be a dead rat, little 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:24.480 chest who knows what they do to the photo. And 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:30.000 I actually never ate their food. That one time I 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:35.360 survived to have a peanut butter and noodles, and my 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.800 worst luck, I didn't have a phone. They had took 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:44.760 my privileges away. I didn't have my brother for me. 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:47.680 It was one of the most part of the hardest 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.560 ever I had gone through, since I had been in 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.840 prison and no communication, no visits, being in this place, 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:59.680 being without my brother, being like like just lost and 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:05.000 not knowing why. 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:09.360 Jay was struggling, not just because he was without Pete, 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:13.880 but in mcc New York, communication was limited so he 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:17.640 wasn't able to see his family. Val could tell how 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:21.400 badly Jay was struggling and did everything she could to 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:22.400 get Jay moved. 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.039 I ended up saying her eight months and I will 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:27.440 say thank you to my wife. 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:30.039 Is like when she found out I was there, she 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.480 knew about the place and we would write each other's 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:37.799 like she fought, you know, she went hiring attorney because 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.719 they were on budget until finally the head of the 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.720 people who are handling us happened. 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:47.120 To do a routine visit to the unit. And they 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.680 come and they see you. They're ahead of people who 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:54.080 actually handle or witness protection. You could talk to him, 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.880 express your concern, just you know. And I said, hey, 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:00.839 like you, why am I here? Like you put me 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.240 here with the worst of the worst? Like you know 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.200 what you did? I'm like, what did I do? 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:06.160 Like you? 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:07.880 No, I don't know what you do. Like listen, it 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:09.840 doesn't even matter. One of the other guys try to 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:12.000 kick me off at the meeting. I'm like, listen. And 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.080 I waited for a long time for this. Tell me 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.160 what I did? You know if I did it? You know, 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.000 I'll be honest. But how am I supposed to know 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:24.160 what I did? And while I'm here? So he liked, 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:32.960 you want to tell me about your billboards? I was like, billboards, Hey, 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:34.400 can't you want tell me about the billboard you put 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.280 up on the side of your inside room for your wife? 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.880 I said, yeah, sure, you just got the wrong one. 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:48.080 He said, what you got the wrong one? And he 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:50.599 looks at him and he's like, what And you got 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:54.039 the wrong one? I know that it was a billboard 0:05:54.080 --> 0:06:01.640 stud that was my brother. So I had a fight 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:05.240 for eight months. I mean, val in life fought every 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.000 day to get out that place. I was miserable, you know. 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:13.320 Valve would come see me sometimes for forty minutes at times, 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:16.120 and we had. 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.320 Problems in the country and the kids, and the kids 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:18.839 were small. 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.880 I did have a low advantage that you could only 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.680 see out the window out the in front of the courthouse. 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.760 It's right across from the courthouse. And one time the 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:31.280 val brought the kids and my son he loved baseball. 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:36.039 Then I actually brought the basis in the tea ball 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:38.800 and she got all the kids and they had a 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:44.039 baseball game. But I looked at the window. You know, 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.840 he's funny. He would see catchers, you know how they 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.720 picked their mask off to see where the ball when 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:53.040 they have a high fly ball. But in his head 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.400 that every time he hit the ball or something, he 0:06:55.480 --> 0:07:00.000 had knock his cap off and run. He's a baby. 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:01.800 He's two years old, you know, two and a half 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:05.200 years old. And I got to see that. I would 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.000 look at the window and every sometimes where I used 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.920 to sit on that window just see you or just 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:14.320 look outside I'm like, I don't do anything to just 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.040 be able to see val. And one of those times 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:20.760 I was looking at the window. It was like kind 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.440 of you know, sun was setting and I'm looking down 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:27.600 the street and I see like, okay, I see hips 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:33.600 and I'll never forget her. She's walking, she's putting her suitcase. 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.000 She just happened to stop by just to see it. 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:40.760 I'm looking at the window that kind of weekday and 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.880 she comes to the window and she's like ruin me kisses, 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:48.960 and it hurt me so much, like not to be 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.040 able to talk to her, not to be able to 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:55.440 see anything, and I felt closing, and like I felt 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:59.400 closing even though I was like there there are just 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:03.560 no commit unication that I decided to make science for 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.320 the next time she ever came. I could just show 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.360 her with science, you know. I made science like I 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.720 love you, be careful, and different signs. I had them 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:16.200 like we're paint a bunch of different science like where 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.640 are the kids? Tell the kids I love them, and 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:22.960 I would put them on the window. And it was hard. 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:29.520 It was a hard time that suffering and led me 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:30.840 to be in a place where I was able to 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:32.480 do the rest of my time comfortable. 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:42.920 The upside of the mix up was that Jay was 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.360 able to pick any prison he wanted to go to. 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:47.960 After the horrors of mcc New York. 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:52.520 They said where do you want to go? People will 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:57.000 come in from different places and I asked him, Hey, 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.440 how is this place? And they're like, they'll say did, 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:01.800 They'll say that, And then a couple of guys came 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:03.960 out They're gonna go test the fire. And I said, 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:07.000 where are you coming from? And they're like, this spot here. 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.920 I'm like, how is it? It's great. There's three day visits. 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:14.120 The fool's good, you know. I'm like, there's three day visits. 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:17.439 He's like, yeah, you should try to make it out 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.640 there or whatever. I'm like, I know where about to go. 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.280 We're so happy with a three day visits. And and 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.880 after that just kind of settled in and I do 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:27.760 the rest of my time there, and it helped. We 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:31.280 had treated visits also. We would have Saturday Sunday for 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.560 the kids. We have to We'll switch it for Mondays. 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:35.720 It was night. 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:39.040 It was day night for us sure, and it was 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:40.640 it was a lot of relaxed to where I got 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.520 to play with the kids when they were smaller, like 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:44.720 they had a car proaction that I could wrestle with 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:46.960 them on the floor and just play with them. Sit 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:48.880 down and you know, I'm right next to the garden. 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.439 They appreciate it. They like to see you with your kids. 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:53.199 Where was that that? 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:58.320 I can't say? Okay, it was like, you know, it 0:09:58.400 --> 0:09:59.800 was like one of those like you when you look 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.560 at we look at the positives of bad moments, and 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:05.520 for sure that became a positive. But still, you know, 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.120 it was the beginning of me not having my brother. 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.679 As Jay mentioned, the twins aren't always allowed to say 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.480 where they were in prison. Some of the locations are 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:32.679 highly confidential. When Jay first was taken from his brother, 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:36.480 Pete was left with an empty bed next to him. 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.000 What was it like when you both got separated? 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:43.440 How hard did you find that? It was super difficult 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:47.720 for us? You know, they felt like it was hard 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.120 for us to be together sometimes because we were like 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:52.560 clash a line, and then it was really hard, like 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.720 just in the rawness of our relationship where he's still 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.240 my brother, you know. And I don't want people to 0:10:58.240 --> 0:10:59.839 get it like misunderstand. I think my brother and I 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:05.240 are always like being each other is protected and it 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.280 was super difficult to not be with them. 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:10.200 You know, what was it like that first morning when 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:13.920 you realized that he'd been taken and that that was it. 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:18.120 You weren't going to be together that day they take him. 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.600 It was like three four in the morning and they 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:22.840 locked myself back door and I look and I'm like, 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.480 they're probably taking him to the shoe and go back 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.480 to sleep, and I, you know, woke up around seven 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.720 thirty and the other constantly comes in throws me guardage 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.040 back and says, draw your brother's shit in there, like 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:36.680 and where my brother? So when I get up to 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:39.760 go calm, like they took my brother, the phones were 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:43.240 off the security and they shut the phones off. But 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:45.200 I'm like, damn, never seen him. Shut the poond up 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.240 and he was gone. And it's hard to think that 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:51.400 everything they had to go through. It was difficult me 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:54.480 just thinking they were there. Now, you know, I had 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:58.200 to get used to like not having like my poin brother. 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:01.920 We do everything together. We made it that far together. 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:09.320 There's so much lesson doing our case. And it was 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.000 hard because we were about to go to one of 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:15.400 the hardest situations we've gone through them in prison, and 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:19.359 we needed each other. It was very hard. 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:26.440 Because up in Silva, you'd always have the opportunity to 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.760 be together and you'd always, you know what, for me, 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:31.679 made decisions together since you were born. 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.040 Like it wasn't just I don't know, it was like 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:38.400 since you were born. Yeah, that was hard because my 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:40.640 brother and I have always had that mentality. Then we'd 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:44.040 figure out a way to find a way. And I 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:45.920 think at first it was sad. Of course, it was 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:47.920 hurtful to think that my brother wasn't there when I 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.640 first realized that he wasn't there with me no more. 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:56.120 But in a weird way, I feel like we're gonna 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.520 find a way to get back together. It's not mentally 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:04.320 at the time, we're still a couple months into prison. 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:06.800 I was like, yeah, we're gonna take care of us, 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:14.199 you know. I remember the person in charge of the 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.719 of our units. I remember he had a visit and 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.480 he came to me and tells me, I just want 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:27.120 you to know something. You don't run this shit. I don't. 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:37.560 I was like, all right, okay, you're right, But you know, 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:40.120 to have them kind of like people over you in 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.240 that situation, they wanted to keep reminding you that they 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.720 had control over your life, and they would be inappropriate 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.080 about at times, you know, things they would say about 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.560 my personal issues and the things they heard over the 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:53.440 phone and stuff like that, and that kind of bothered me, 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.719 like that was like something I can't get used to, 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:03.120 you know, then you'll never get used to. But I 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:04.959 thinking that I was gonna be able to find a 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:07.000 way to be with my brother was always like freshen 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:13.119 my mind. And I could only hear from them through Viviana, 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:15.640 and there was like another burden for her thing to 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:19.520 put that on her to like, hey, in tapletaing care 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:21.240 of kids and everything you do, make sure you know 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:22.200 everything about my brother. 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.480 When it was discovered that it was actually Pete who 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.880 puts up the billboards and not Jay, Pete was disciplined. 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:32.680 So I got a couple of disciplined writers for like 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:37.680 endangering the safety of the step and other inmates, you know, 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:43.160 for reaching out to the public or but you know, 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:49.760 all kinds of stuff. It took my phone, my visits. 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:52.040 And then it was Pete's turn to be transferred. Putting 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.160 the billboards out there meant there was a risk that 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.560 his location had been compromised. 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.080 It was just a stressful time, because like I ain't 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.800 to be in trust to the worst place that you 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:07.440 can be at. I mean it was just just a 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:18.040 miserable place. Everyone there was miserable. It's always cold. There 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.600 are all steel walls, and you have the thing they 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:26.800 steal toilet and you're allowed to wreck three times a 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:30.320 week if that or shower wreck one or the other 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.440 recreation recreation, so you get to go out in a 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:40.760 patio or something for thirty minutes or whatever three times 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:45.440 a week, three times a week, and you're allowed one 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:48.240 phone call after every after a month, you're all one 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:54.480 phone call and cold, slowely. Some men blocks, you know, 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.840 some men that it's a mattress on a cement. What 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:03.280 does it smell like? You'd be surprised that prisons are clean. 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:05.640 The first thing you do when you go in to show, 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:09.880 you and you get soap and you clean everything down. 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.400 You actually cleans up and you just try to disinfect 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.440 the whole style, you know, you clean yourself. Yeah, you're 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.600 on your knees and discrubbing and you ladder off soap 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.440 and you clean the the toilet and everything you're gonna use. 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:31.000 And it s gets cold sometimes, so you try to 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.800 find ways to hold down to clothes, you know, to 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:38.120 hold on to extra socks or like a laundry that 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.800 you just try to keep 'em even if you wash 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.200 'em on t you know, in the sink, cause you're 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:49.120 gonna need 'em. And I would write letters, and then 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.200 you get this. They give you a stupid little pencil 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.360 and you have to figure out a way to sharpening yourself, 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:58.520 cause they're not gonna be sharpening your pencil every time 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.120 it needs to be sharpened. Like, and I would write 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:06.920 letters and I would be asking everyone, can let me 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:11.800 get your pencil on exac can Yeah, I have it, 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.159 something to write with it. And I would read and 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.479 read and read or exercise, and that time goes by 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:24.720 so slow, I mean extremely so, especially like in the beginning, 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:27.399 you know, and then you start to kind of like 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:33.280 get used to that little routine. My loneliness will get 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.199 the best of me. I'm quick to talk to someone like, hey, 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:39.640 what are you doing with it? Just whatever? Play chess, 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.000 go through the wall. Yeah, you yell out your movie 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.000 and make a chess board and you set up you 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.680 literally will make a chessboarder out of pieces of paper 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:51.960 and you draw your little or write night on it 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:57.359 or rug or you know, and and you'll yell like 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:03.520 be one to be three, you know, and wait for 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.960 their move. And then when they make their move, you 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:08.560 make the move on the board for them, you know, 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:14.720 and your own board. They have their own board, and 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.440 you hear keys and the first thing you do is 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:23.560 go to the door to see what's going on, wait 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:29.480 for child, for that styropham plate that comes, you know, 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:31.240 and you're like to let me see what they done 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:37.359 this time. And we had the routine where Mondays was 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:44.119 like a chili mac for lunch, Tuesdays was chicken patty 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.520 day or something, Wednesday was burgers, Thursday was chicken, like 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.080 the best meal of the week was like Thursdays and 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:57.720 Friday was like fish. That's the routine. So did you 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:00.240 know what each day was? Is that how you kept 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:01.920 track of the day. Yeah, you kind of keep the 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:06.760 trails they you know, you make these homemade calendars and 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:13.200 if you're lucky and people in the kitchen, they'll give 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:16.800 you extra heavy plate, and what you have to do 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:18.840 you have to put the food to the side, and 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.000 so you're gonna eat a little bit of it and 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:28.399 save something later, cause you're gonna be hungry, and because 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:30.320 the portions are usually small, so when they give you 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:33.040 extra food, you gotta save it, you know, cause sometimes 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:36.320 like the dinner would be like a couple slices of bread, 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:41.240 some cheese or peanut butter and jelly. I never drank 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:43.360 milk like that, and in prison, I started drinking milk 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:45.440 because it was just like I needed food. You know, 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:49.080 you try to save as much food as you can. 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:53.000 I bet you lost a lot of weight. Yeah I do, 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:58.119 and it was like a hundred and forty pounds one 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:04.560 thirty five all muscle. Yeah, but yeah you do. I mean, 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:06.879 you work out, You try to keep your mind. You know, 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:09.560 your routine. You work out. If you have someone like 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:15.439 a good neighbor, like you work out together and then 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:25.159 we do Burby. But it's hard inside. Sometimes I just 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:29.880 couldn't hold the tears back as a measure thinking about 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:33.879 my kids, about seeing my wife leave the vista, and 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:37.520 just just wish I could be. 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:37.960 There with her. 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:50.440 You know, it's horrible to go through that. But for me, 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:55.239 with helped me was that I was comfortable with who 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:58.480 I was. And a lot of people see you and 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:01.119 they you know, they tend to like measure you up 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:06.280 a live, you know, and it was like I don't 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:09.600 care whatever that don't affect me. You know, I have 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:12.679 a wife and children who who depend on me, who 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:16.639 are there for me, who seem make me feel like 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:19.879 I'm worth more, Like they they see something to me 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:25.639 that makes them love me unconditioning. And I felt like 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:28.800 I had to live up to it, like I let 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.960 myself allow myself to be worthy of it, you know, 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:35.520 to receive it, you know, to receive their love and 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:44.040 appreciate it, take it in and just it was hard though, 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:50.440 you know, because and there you deal with so many 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:55.040 people who are broken, and they want to value you 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:57.600 as how many people you killed, how much money you have. 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:04.760 It's like stupid, like still of it. I thought about 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:08.600 my family and my children that every single second, all 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:12.280 my time away from them. So it could be a 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:15.280 heavy burden too, you know that we're stuck in the 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:19.199 inside and living on the outside. It's hard. And everybody 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:23.880 will tell you don't do that, but not everyone had 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:27.840 a Vivian on their life. Everybody it was hard. 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:28.440 It was hard. 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:31.639 I mean I had really really tough things, you know, 0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:38.720 and I think every man in prison does. And doors 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:41.239 closed at now and you sit there and you think 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:43.920 about all the stupid things you've done, how you got there, 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:49.840 if you're lucky. If you're lucky, you have those thoughts. 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:57.480 So I had this steam where when I was in 0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:00.119 the unit where I was free, where I would on 0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:03.840 check about my wife and that she would answer and 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:07.000 say hi, but not accept the call. I could just 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:09.600 hear or say like for one second, not even a 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:15.400 second maybe, and that brought me peace to hear said 0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:20.000 we're good man, because you couldn't speak to that because 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:23.280 the minutes were limited. So in order to say some minutes, 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:25.239 I would do it something. I would do it ten 0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:26.840 times a day and they would like get on my 0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:29.840 ass about it, and I was like whatever it like, 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:33.440 I just needed to know that they were okay, and 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:37.000 just even that one one high, like if she just 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:40.800 said I love your bad I'm missing that would just 0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:48.679 like to just feel some connection. I got my minutes 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:51.560 on the fourth of every month, and that day with 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:55.920 Twils was like happy minute day, like we could talk 0:23:57.760 --> 0:24:00.840 and I wish they could tell you there was nothing 0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:03.399 going on during the month, but there was always something 0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:05.440 going on that made me like go to those minutes 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:09.040 faster and we were literally like write each other eighteen 0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:10.920 page ladders during the weekend and see each other on 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:15.840 the weekend. And I don't think even then we were 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:17.960 we able to share with each other everything that was 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:18.680 really going. 0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:41.920 On inside the prison walls. Pete and Jay were isolated 0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:46.720 and lonely. Outside the prison walls, their wives, valen Viev, 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:50.680 were facing the same thing. Every time the twins transferred 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:55.520 prisons the families had to move to. Valenviev were not 0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:59.560 only separated from their husbands, but now also from each 0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:03.480 other on opposite ends of the country. And even though 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:06.919 they were in the US, the cartel has people everywhere. 0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:11.439 Al Chapo is not known for his forgiveness, so anyone 0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:14.840 connected to the brothers had a huge target on their backs. 0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:20.720 When we first came back from Mexico, we came to 0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:22.600 the United States, I knew what kind of life I 0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:26.240 was going to have to live. I would never even 0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:29.240 put my name on an email on account my real name. 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:32.520 I mean, there's just I was always hyper aware of 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:35.960