Speaker 1: I do remember, like, imagine where we're gonna end up,
Speaker 1: were like, well, life was gonna be I had no clue.
Speaker 1: Sacrifice We're gonna have to make every day. It was
Speaker 1: gonna take work, and every day it was gonna take
Speaker 1: a thought process to make sure that I was going
Speaker 1: to be a different person. Hey, it's fifty.
Speaker 2: Cent and I'm Charlie Webster. This is a five and
Speaker 2: old chapter The Twins who brought down a reward season two.
Speaker 3: The Baby and the Bentley were crazy and caused some
Speaker 3: real problems for the brothers, but it was the third
Speaker 3: beat the Billboards they completely turned up what their lives
Speaker 3: were about to look like in prison. The twins had
Speaker 3: been together since they won people who even called them
Speaker 3: just twin for twenty eight years. Every decision they made,
Speaker 3: they made it together, and now they were both a
Speaker 3: long for the first time in their lives, they didn't
Speaker 3: have each other.
Speaker 1: To rely on.
Speaker 2: The billboards meant their special privilege of being housed together
Speaker 2: in prison was taken away. Jay was blamed and pulled
Speaker 2: from his cell in the middle of the night. He
Speaker 2: was put on a plane to the notoriously inhumane mcc
Speaker 2: New York. The conditions there are so bad that in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one it had to be shut down. Over
Speaker 2: two years later it remains that way whilst the government
Speaker 2: figures out what to do with it.
Speaker 1: So MCC New York was to us was the worst
Speaker 1: place because it was a woodsick unit in the MCC
Speaker 1: Metropolitan and Correctional Center, which is where they house Chapel
Speaker 1: Epstein and and they house 'em in the s in
Speaker 1: the segregated to shoot you know unit and on the
Speaker 1: third floor is where they kept you know with it.
Speaker 1: It's a special unit for cooperators, and it's the worst thing.
Speaker 1: It was like a like really intense watch on you okay,
Speaker 1: on your mail, on anything. Cause it's fourteen sixteen cells.
Speaker 1: There's probably fourteen in me all the trouble makers, right,
Speaker 1: the worst of the worst. That's your last spot, either
Speaker 1: your it's your last spot before you get kicked out
Speaker 1: the program or or if you're going there to go
Speaker 1: to court to testify, you know, that's where you go.
Speaker 1: And it's the worst place. They let you out to
Speaker 1: to the rooftop me once a week for now. This
Speaker 1: is the worst part. That the food is cooked by
Speaker 1: the inmates in the building. They know that that units
Speaker 1: for cooperators. So every time they send the food trays out,
Speaker 1: they come with a little specialist price. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: every time if it's gonna be a dead rat, little
Speaker 1: chest who knows what they do to the photo. And
Speaker 1: I actually never ate their food. That one time I
Speaker 1: survived to have a peanut butter and noodles, and my
Speaker 1: worst luck, I didn't have a phone. They had took
Speaker 1: my privileges away. I didn't have my brother for me.
Speaker 1: It was one of the most part of the hardest
Speaker 1: ever I had gone through, since I had been in
Speaker 1: prison and no communication, no visits, being in this place,
Speaker 1: being without my brother, being like like just lost and
Speaker 1: not knowing why.
Speaker 2: Jay was struggling, not just because he was without Pete,
Speaker 2: but in mcc New York, communication was limited so he
Speaker 2: wasn't able to see his family. Val could tell how
Speaker 2: badly Jay was struggling and did everything she could to
Speaker 2: get Jay moved.
Speaker 1: I ended up saying her eight months and I will
Speaker 1: say thank you to my wife.
Speaker 4: Is like when she found out I was there, she
Speaker 4: knew about the place and we would write each other's
Speaker 4: like she fought, you know, she went hiring attorney because
Speaker 4: they were on budget until finally the head of the
Speaker 4: people who are handling us happened.
Speaker 1: To do a routine visit to the unit. And they
Speaker 1: come and they see you. They're ahead of people who
Speaker 1: actually handle or witness protection. You could talk to him,
Speaker 1: express your concern, just you know. And I said, hey,
Speaker 1: like you, why am I here? Like you put me
Speaker 1: here with the worst of the worst? Like you know
Speaker 1: what you did? I'm like, what did I do?
Speaker 5: Like you?
Speaker 1: No, I don't know what you do. Like listen, it
Speaker 1: doesn't even matter. One of the other guys try to
Speaker 1: kick me off at the meeting. I'm like, listen. And
Speaker 1: I waited for a long time for this. Tell me
Speaker 1: what I did? You know if I did it? You know,
Speaker 1: I'll be honest. But how am I supposed to know
Speaker 1: what I did? And while I'm here? So he liked,
Speaker 1: you want to tell me about your billboards? I was like, billboards, Hey,
Speaker 1: can't you want tell me about the billboard you put
Speaker 1: up on the side of your inside room for your wife?
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, sure, you just got the wrong one.
Speaker 1: He said, what you got the wrong one? And he
Speaker 1: looks at him and he's like, what And you got
Speaker 1: the wrong one? I know that it was a billboard
Speaker 1: stud that was my brother. So I had a fight
Speaker 1: for eight months. I mean, val in life fought every
Speaker 1: day to get out that place. I was miserable, you know.
Speaker 1: Valve would come see me sometimes for forty minutes at times,
Speaker 1: and we had.
Speaker 6: Problems in the country and the kids, and the kids
Speaker 6: were small.
Speaker 1: I did have a low advantage that you could only
Speaker 1: see out the window out the in front of the courthouse.
Speaker 1: It's right across from the courthouse. And one time the
Speaker 1: val brought the kids and my son he loved baseball.
Speaker 1: Then I actually brought the basis in the tea ball
Speaker 1: and she got all the kids and they had a
Speaker 1: baseball game. But I looked at the window. You know,
Speaker 1: he's funny. He would see catchers, you know how they
Speaker 1: picked their mask off to see where the ball when
Speaker 1: they have a high fly ball. But in his head
Speaker 1: that every time he hit the ball or something, he
Speaker 1: had knock his cap off and run. He's a baby.
Speaker 1: He's two years old, you know, two and a half
Speaker 1: years old. And I got to see that. I would
Speaker 1: look at the window and every sometimes where I used
Speaker 1: to sit on that window just see you or just
Speaker 1: look outside I'm like, I don't do anything to just
Speaker 1: be able to see val. And one of those times
Speaker 1: I was looking at the window. It was like kind
Speaker 1: of you know, sun was setting and I'm looking down
Speaker 1: the street and I see like, okay, I see hips
Speaker 1: and I'll never forget her. She's walking, she's putting her suitcase.
Speaker 1: She just happened to stop by just to see it.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the window that kind of weekday and
Speaker 1: she comes to the window and she's like ruin me kisses,
Speaker 1: and it hurt me so much, like not to be
Speaker 1: able to talk to her, not to be able to
Speaker 1: see anything, and I felt closing, and like I felt
Speaker 1: closing even though I was like there there are just
Speaker 1: no commit unication that I decided to make science for
Speaker 1: the next time she ever came. I could just show
Speaker 1: her with science, you know. I made science like I
Speaker 1: love you, be careful, and different signs. I had them
Speaker 1: like we're paint a bunch of different science like where
Speaker 1: are the kids? Tell the kids I love them, and
Speaker 1: I would put them on the window. And it was hard.
Speaker 1: It was a hard time that suffering and led me
Speaker 1: to be in a place where I was able to
Speaker 1: do the rest of my time comfortable.
Speaker 2: The upside of the mix up was that Jay was
Speaker 2: able to pick any prison he wanted to go to.
Speaker 2: After the horrors of mcc New York.
Speaker 1: They said where do you want to go? People will
Speaker 1: come in from different places and I asked him, Hey,
Speaker 1: how is this place? And they're like, they'll say did,
Speaker 1: They'll say that, And then a couple of guys came
Speaker 1: out They're gonna go test the fire. And I said,
Speaker 1: where are you coming from? And they're like, this spot here.
Speaker 1: I'm like, how is it? It's great. There's three day visits.
Speaker 1: The fool's good, you know. I'm like, there's three day visits.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, you should try to make it out
Speaker 1: there or whatever. I'm like, I know where about to go.
Speaker 1: We're so happy with a three day visits. And and
Speaker 1: after that just kind of settled in and I do
Speaker 1: the rest of my time there, and it helped. We
Speaker 1: had treated visits also. We would have Saturday Sunday for
Speaker 1: the kids. We have to We'll switch it for Mondays.
Speaker 6: It was night.
Speaker 1: It was day night for us sure, and it was
Speaker 1: it was a lot of relaxed to where I got
Speaker 1: to play with the kids when they were smaller, like
Speaker 1: they had a car proaction that I could wrestle with
Speaker 1: them on the floor and just play with them. Sit
Speaker 1: down and you know, I'm right next to the garden.
Speaker 1: They appreciate it. They like to see you with your kids.
Speaker 2: Where was that that?
Speaker 1: I can't say? Okay, it was like, you know, it
Speaker 1: was like one of those like you when you look
Speaker 1: at we look at the positives of bad moments, and
Speaker 1: for sure that became a positive. But still, you know,
Speaker 1: it was the beginning of me not having my brother.
Speaker 2: As Jay mentioned, the twins aren't always allowed to say
Speaker 2: where they were in prison. Some of the locations are
Speaker 2: highly confidential. When Jay first was taken from his brother,
Speaker 2: Pete was left with an empty bed next to him.
Speaker 2: What was it like when you both got separated?
Speaker 1: How hard did you find that? It was super difficult
Speaker 1: for us? You know, they felt like it was hard
Speaker 1: for us to be together sometimes because we were like
Speaker 1: clash a line, and then it was really hard, like
Speaker 1: just in the rawness of our relationship where he's still
Speaker 1: my brother, you know. And I don't want people to
Speaker 1: get it like misunderstand. I think my brother and I
Speaker 1: are always like being each other is protected and it
Speaker 1: was super difficult to not be with them.
Speaker 7: You know, what was it like that first morning when
Speaker 7: you realized that he'd been taken and that that was it.
Speaker 1: You weren't going to be together that day they take him.
Speaker 1: It was like three four in the morning and they
Speaker 1: locked myself back door and I look and I'm like,
Speaker 1: they're probably taking him to the shoe and go back
Speaker 1: to sleep, and I, you know, woke up around seven
Speaker 1: thirty and the other constantly comes in throws me guardage
Speaker 1: back and says, draw your brother's shit in there, like
Speaker 1: and where my brother? So when I get up to
Speaker 1: go calm, like they took my brother, the phones were
Speaker 1: off the security and they shut the phones off. But
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, never seen him. Shut the poond up
Speaker 1: and he was gone. And it's hard to think that
Speaker 1: everything they had to go through. It was difficult me
Speaker 1: just thinking they were there. Now, you know, I had
Speaker 1: to get used to like not having like my poin brother.
Speaker 1: We do everything together. We made it that far together.
Speaker 1: There's so much lesson doing our case. And it was
Speaker 1: hard because we were about to go to one of
Speaker 1: the hardest situations we've gone through them in prison, and
Speaker 1: we needed each other. It was very hard.
Speaker 7: Because up in Silva, you'd always have the opportunity to
Speaker 7: be together and you'd always, you know what, for me,
Speaker 7: made decisions together since you were born.
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't just I don't know, it was like
Speaker 1: since you were born. Yeah, that was hard because my
Speaker 1: brother and I have always had that mentality. Then we'd
Speaker 1: figure out a way to find a way. And I
Speaker 1: think at first it was sad. Of course, it was
Speaker 1: hurtful to think that my brother wasn't there when I
Speaker 1: first realized that he wasn't there with me no more.
Speaker 1: But in a weird way, I feel like we're gonna
Speaker 1: find a way to get back together. It's not mentally
Speaker 1: at the time, we're still a couple months into prison.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, we're gonna take care of us,
Speaker 1: you know. I remember the person in charge of the
Speaker 1: of our units. I remember he had a visit and
Speaker 1: he came to me and tells me, I just want
Speaker 1: you to know something. You don't run this shit. I don't.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, okay, you're right, But you know,
Speaker 1: to have them kind of like people over you in
Speaker 1: that situation, they wanted to keep reminding you that they
Speaker 1: had control over your life, and they would be inappropriate
Speaker 1: about at times, you know, things they would say about
Speaker 1: my personal issues and the things they heard over the
Speaker 1: phone and stuff like that, and that kind of bothered me,
Speaker 1: like that was like something I can't get used to,
Speaker 1: you know, then you'll never get used to. But I
Speaker 1: thinking that I was gonna be able to find a
Speaker 1: way to be with my brother was always like freshen
Speaker 1: my mind. And I could only hear from them through Viviana,
Speaker 1: and there was like another burden for her thing to
Speaker 1: put that on her to like, hey, in tapletaing care
Speaker 1: of kids and everything you do, make sure you know
Speaker 1: everything about my brother.
Speaker 2: When it was discovered that it was actually Pete who
Speaker 2: puts up the billboards and not Jay, Pete was disciplined.
Speaker 1: So I got a couple of disciplined writers for like
Speaker 1: endangering the safety of the step and other inmates, you know,
Speaker 1: for reaching out to the public or but you know,
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. It took my phone, my visits.
Speaker 2: And then it was Pete's turn to be transferred. Putting
Speaker 2: the billboards out there meant there was a risk that
Speaker 2: his location had been compromised.
Speaker 1: It was just a stressful time, because like I ain't
Speaker 1: to be in trust to the worst place that you
Speaker 1: can be at. I mean it was just just a
Speaker 1: miserable place. Everyone there was miserable. It's always cold. There
Speaker 1: are all steel walls, and you have the thing they
Speaker 1: steal toilet and you're allowed to wreck three times a
Speaker 1: week if that or shower wreck one or the other
Speaker 1: recreation recreation, so you get to go out in a
Speaker 1: patio or something for thirty minutes or whatever three times
Speaker 1: a week, three times a week, and you're allowed one
Speaker 1: phone call after every after a month, you're all one
Speaker 1: phone call and cold, slowely. Some men blocks, you know,
Speaker 1: some men that it's a mattress on a cement. What
Speaker 1: does it smell like? You'd be surprised that prisons are clean.
Speaker 1: The first thing you do when you go in to show,
Speaker 1: you and you get soap and you clean everything down.
Speaker 1: You actually cleans up and you just try to disinfect
Speaker 1: the whole style, you know, you clean yourself. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: on your knees and discrubbing and you ladder off soap
Speaker 1: and you clean the the toilet and everything you're gonna use.
Speaker 1: And it s gets cold sometimes, so you try to
Speaker 1: find ways to hold down to clothes, you know, to
Speaker 1: hold on to extra socks or like a laundry that
Speaker 1: you just try to keep 'em even if you wash
Speaker 1: 'em on t you know, in the sink, cause you're
Speaker 1: gonna need 'em. And I would write letters, and then
Speaker 1: you get this. They give you a stupid little pencil
Speaker 1: and you have to figure out a way to sharpening yourself,
Speaker 1: cause they're not gonna be sharpening your pencil every time
Speaker 1: it needs to be sharpened. Like, and I would write
Speaker 1: letters and I would be asking everyone, can let me
Speaker 1: get your pencil on exac can Yeah, I have it,
Speaker 1: something to write with it. And I would read and
Speaker 1: read and read or exercise, and that time goes by
Speaker 1: so slow, I mean extremely so, especially like in the beginning,
Speaker 1: you know, and then you start to kind of like
Speaker 1: get used to that little routine. My loneliness will get
Speaker 1: the best of me. I'm quick to talk to someone like, hey,
Speaker 1: what are you doing with it? Just whatever? Play chess,
Speaker 1: go through the wall. Yeah, you yell out your movie
Speaker 1: and make a chess board and you set up you
Speaker 1: literally will make a chessboarder out of pieces of paper
Speaker 1: and you draw your little or write night on it
Speaker 1: or rug or you know, and and you'll yell like
Speaker 1: be one to be three, you know, and wait for
Speaker 1: their move. And then when they make their move, you
Speaker 1: make the move on the board for them, you know,
Speaker 1: and your own board. They have their own board, and
Speaker 1: you hear keys and the first thing you do is
Speaker 1: go to the door to see what's going on, wait
Speaker 1: for child, for that styropham plate that comes, you know,
Speaker 1: and you're like to let me see what they done
Speaker 1: this time. And we had the routine where Mondays was
Speaker 1: like a chili mac for lunch, Tuesdays was chicken patty
Speaker 1: day or something, Wednesday was burgers, Thursday was chicken, like
Speaker 1: the best meal of the week was like Thursdays and
Speaker 1: Friday was like fish. That's the routine. So did you
Speaker 1: know what each day was? Is that how you kept
Speaker 1: track of the day. Yeah, you kind of keep the
Speaker 1: trails they you know, you make these homemade calendars and
Speaker 1: if you're lucky and people in the kitchen, they'll give
Speaker 1: you extra heavy plate, and what you have to do
Speaker 1: you have to put the food to the side, and
Speaker 1: so you're gonna eat a little bit of it and
Speaker 1: save something later, cause you're gonna be hungry, and because
Speaker 1: the portions are usually small, so when they give you
Speaker 1: extra food, you gotta save it, you know, cause sometimes
Speaker 1: like the dinner would be like a couple slices of bread,
Speaker 1: some cheese or peanut butter and jelly. I never drank
Speaker 1: milk like that, and in prison, I started drinking milk
Speaker 1: because it was just like I needed food. You know,
Speaker 1: you try to save as much food as you can.
Speaker 1: I bet you lost a lot of weight. Yeah I do,
Speaker 1: and it was like a hundred and forty pounds one
Speaker 1: thirty five all muscle. Yeah, but yeah you do. I mean,
Speaker 1: you work out, You try to keep your mind. You know,
Speaker 1: your routine. You work out. If you have someone like
Speaker 1: a good neighbor, like you work out together and then
Speaker 1: we do Burby. But it's hard inside. Sometimes I just
Speaker 1: couldn't hold the tears back as a measure thinking about
Speaker 1: my kids, about seeing my wife leave the vista, and
Speaker 1: just just wish I could be.
Speaker 2: There with her.
Speaker 1: You know, it's horrible to go through that. But for me,
Speaker 1: with helped me was that I was comfortable with who
Speaker 1: I was. And a lot of people see you and
Speaker 1: they you know, they tend to like measure you up
Speaker 1: a live, you know, and it was like I don't
Speaker 1: care whatever that don't affect me. You know, I have
Speaker 1: a wife and children who who depend on me, who
Speaker 1: are there for me, who seem make me feel like
Speaker 1: I'm worth more, Like they they see something to me
Speaker 1: that makes them love me unconditioning. And I felt like
Speaker 1: I had to live up to it, like I let
Speaker 1: myself allow myself to be worthy of it, you know,
Speaker 1: to receive it, you know, to receive their love and
Speaker 1: appreciate it, take it in and just it was hard though,
Speaker 1: you know, because and there you deal with so many
Speaker 1: people who are broken, and they want to value you
Speaker 1: as how many people you killed, how much money you have.
Speaker 1: It's like stupid, like still of it. I thought about
Speaker 1: my family and my children that every single second, all
Speaker 1: my time away from them. So it could be a
Speaker 1: heavy burden too, you know that we're stuck in the
Speaker 1: inside and living on the outside. It's hard. And everybody
Speaker 1: will tell you don't do that, but not everyone had
Speaker 1: a Vivian on their life. Everybody it was hard.
Speaker 6: It was hard.
Speaker 1: I mean I had really really tough things, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think every man in prison does. And doors
Speaker 1: closed at now and you sit there and you think
Speaker 1: about all the stupid things you've done, how you got there,
Speaker 1: if you're lucky. If you're lucky, you have those thoughts.
Speaker 1: So I had this steam where when I was in
Speaker 1: the unit where I was free, where I would on
Speaker 1: check about my wife and that she would answer and
Speaker 1: say hi, but not accept the call. I could just
Speaker 1: hear or say like for one second, not even a
Speaker 1: second maybe, and that brought me peace to hear said
Speaker 1: we're good man, because you couldn't speak to that because
Speaker 1: the minutes were limited. So in order to say some minutes,
Speaker 1: I would do it something. I would do it ten
Speaker 1: times a day and they would like get on my
Speaker 1: ass about it, and I was like whatever it like,
Speaker 1: I just needed to know that they were okay, and
Speaker 1: just even that one one high, like if she just
Speaker 1: said I love your bad I'm missing that would just
Speaker 1: like to just feel some connection. I got my minutes
Speaker 1: on the fourth of every month, and that day with
Speaker 1: Twils was like happy minute day, like we could talk
Speaker 1: and I wish they could tell you there was nothing
Speaker 1: going on during the month, but there was always something
Speaker 1: going on that made me like go to those minutes
Speaker 1: faster and we were literally like write each other eighteen
Speaker 1: page ladders during the weekend and see each other on
Speaker 1: the weekend. And I don't think even then we were
Speaker 1: we able to share with each other everything that was
Speaker 1: really going.
Speaker 2: On inside the prison walls. Pete and Jay were isolated
Speaker 2: and lonely. Outside the prison walls, their wives, valen Viev,
Speaker 2: were facing the same thing. Every time the twins transferred
Speaker 2: prisons the families had to move to. Valenviev were not
Speaker 2: only separated from their husbands, but now also from each
Speaker 2: other on opposite ends of the country. And even though
Speaker 2: they were in the US, the cartel has people everywhere.
Speaker 2: Al Chapo is not known for his forgiveness, so anyone
Speaker 2: connected to the brothers had a huge target on their backs.
Speaker 5: When we first came back from Mexico, we came to
Speaker 5: the United States, I knew what kind of life I
Speaker 5: was going to have to live. I would never even
Speaker 5: put my name on an email on account my real name.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's just I was always hyper aware of
Speaker 5: if I was going to do something. I always thought
Speaker 5: in the back of my mind, like, Okay, can somebody
Speaker 5: find me? Can somebody find myself and my children? So
Speaker 5: any little step I made, like my bills or an email,
Speaker 5: like little simple things. I always had that in the
Speaker 5: back of my mind that you know, eventually somebody would
Speaker 5: find me if I were to slip up. But it
Speaker 5: wasn't hard for me. I moved around so many places,
Speaker 5: and I lived in small towns and I kept to myself.
Speaker 5: I mean through the years, I didn't, you know, acquire
Speaker 5: not one friend. And if a mom at the school
Speaker 5: was asking me too many questions or I seeing them
Speaker 5: being a little too nosy, like, I would just back
Speaker 5: off and I wouldn't allow my kids to have play
Speaker 5: dates with them any longer because I felt uncomfortable. I
Speaker 5: felt like if somebody was going to know anything about
Speaker 5: myself or my kids, that would be in more danger
Speaker 5: than we already were. Me, out of everyone, I was
Speaker 5: the one, very very always careful, always careful, and he
Speaker 5: never let anyone get close to me. When I moved
Speaker 5: into like smaller towns, I made sure that my neighbors
Speaker 5: wouldn't ask me questions, and if they did, I would
Speaker 5: be like, oh, I'm just a single mom.
Speaker 1: It was lonely.
Speaker 5: It was definitely lonely because I've always been around people.
Speaker 5: I have a big family. I've always you know, I
Speaker 5: had friends growing up and I live, you know, a
Speaker 5: normal life. I felt like it was either me have
Speaker 5: you know, lived a normal life that I wanted, or
Speaker 5: protect my kids. That wasn't even an option. I was
Speaker 5: going to do whatever I had to do to protect them.
Speaker 6: I do live a life that's very different from anybody
Speaker 6: in this world. We have to make sure that we're
Speaker 6: safe and we have to keep our children out of
Speaker 6: harm's way, so there's a lot of things that were
Speaker 6: accustomed to today. I use a prepaid phone because I'm
Speaker 6: trying to elude private investigators from finding me and tracking
Speaker 6: me down for the cartel. I feel like I've always
Speaker 6: said that me and Jay are really strong and that
Speaker 6: we can get through anything that we've probably been through
Speaker 6: so much, and I feel like, you know, we're unbreakable.
Speaker 6: I feel like we're we can withstand more than your
Speaker 6: average probably couple good. But when it comes to like
Speaker 6: your children, it's like you have this special place in
Speaker 6: your heart for them. You never want to see them
Speaker 6: go through anything. You just want to be protective and
Speaker 6: you just want to shelter them from that, so it's
Speaker 6: really hard for them. I just felt like our kids
Speaker 6: are not built for this. Over the years, I've sheltered
Speaker 6: them so much and put them in this bubble that
Speaker 6: I just wanted to keep them insulated from this world.
Speaker 6: They don't know, or they didn't know any of this before.
Speaker 6: They didn't even know their father's real name because just
Speaker 6: because I didn't want them to google him, or if
Speaker 6: I knew there was this special coming out on television
Speaker 6: about their dad, I would like take the cable out,
Speaker 6: and like I had like something was going on with
Speaker 6: the cable box because I didn't want them to see
Speaker 6: their dad on television, and so like there was all
Speaker 6: these like precautions that I made, and like they literally
Speaker 6: thought that their dad was in prison for tax evasion
Speaker 6: because I didn't want them to know. It was really
Speaker 6: hard for them to see Jay like that. And I
Speaker 6: feel like it was maybe in the beginning, when they
Speaker 6: were still babies, it was a lot easier for them
Speaker 6: because they were so young and they didn't know any better,
Speaker 6: and they honestly thought that like that was kind of
Speaker 6: their normalcy to be visiting their father every weekend in prison,
Speaker 6: And it wasn't until they got older that they started
Speaker 6: realizing that he's in jail, he's in prison. You know
Speaker 6: he's not coming home.
Speaker 2: The brothers also had to be careful with who they
Speaker 2: interacted with in prison. You never knew who you might
Speaker 2: bump into.
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 1: I am transfer to a new prison and I get
Speaker 1: putt in this out. I was supposed to be alone,
Speaker 1: and then they came like, oh, you're going to have
Speaker 1: a Sally make room. He should be here any minute.
Speaker 1: When he gets there, I looked at my Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I know you.
Speaker 6: Here.
Speaker 1: I am with chapter's biggest rival.
Speaker 2: Byming l Chapo, The Twins Who brought Down a Drug Lord.
Speaker 2: Season two is hosted by Curtis fifty cent Jackson and
Speaker 2: me Charlie Webster, produced by myself and Jackson mcclennan, Assistant
Speaker 2: producer and research support by Kasey Hurtz, Edit and sound
Speaker 2: design by Nico Polella. Theme music and original score by
Speaker 2: Ryan Sorenson. It's executive produced by Curtis fifty cent Jackson
Speaker 2: and Me Charlie Webster. Curtis fifty cent Jackson presents a
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