1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: I do remember, like, imagine where we're gonna end up, 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: were like, well, life was gonna be I had no clue. 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: Sacrifice We're gonna have to make every day. It was 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: gonna take work, and every day it was gonna take 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: a thought process to make sure that I was going 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: to be a different person. Hey, it's fifty. 7 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 2: Cent and I'm Charlie Webster. This is a five and 8 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: old chapter The Twins who brought down a reward season two. 9 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 3: The Baby and the Bentley were crazy and caused some 10 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 3: real problems for the brothers, but it was the third 11 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 3: beat the Billboards they completely turned up what their lives 12 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 3: were about to look like in prison. The twins had 13 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 3: been together since they won people who even called them 14 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 3: just twin for twenty eight years. Every decision they made, 15 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 3: they made it together, and now they were both a 16 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 3: long for the first time in their lives, they didn't 17 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 3: have each other. 18 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: To rely on. 19 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 2: The billboards meant their special privilege of being housed together 20 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: in prison was taken away. Jay was blamed and pulled 21 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 2: from his cell in the middle of the night. He 22 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: was put on a plane to the notoriously inhumane mcc 23 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: New York. The conditions there are so bad that in 24 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one it had to be shut down. Over 25 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: two years later it remains that way whilst the government 26 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: figures out what to do with it. 27 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: So MCC New York was to us was the worst 28 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: place because it was a woodsick unit in the MCC 29 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: Metropolitan and Correctional Center, which is where they house Chapel 30 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: Epstein and and they house 'em in the s in 31 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: the segregated to shoot you know unit and on the 32 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: third floor is where they kept you know with it. 33 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: It's a special unit for cooperators, and it's the worst thing. 34 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: It was like a like really intense watch on you okay, 35 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: on your mail, on anything. Cause it's fourteen sixteen cells. 36 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: There's probably fourteen in me all the trouble makers, right, 37 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: the worst of the worst. That's your last spot, either 38 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: your it's your last spot before you get kicked out 39 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: the program or or if you're going there to go 40 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: to court to testify, you know, that's where you go. 41 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: And it's the worst place. They let you out to 42 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: to the rooftop me once a week for now. This 43 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: is the worst part. That the food is cooked by 44 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: the inmates in the building. They know that that units 45 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: for cooperators. So every time they send the food trays out, 46 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: they come with a little specialist price. I'm talking about 47 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: every time if it's gonna be a dead rat, little 48 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: chest who knows what they do to the photo. And 49 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: I actually never ate their food. That one time I 50 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: survived to have a peanut butter and noodles, and my 51 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: worst luck, I didn't have a phone. They had took 52 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: my privileges away. I didn't have my brother for me. 53 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: It was one of the most part of the hardest 54 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: ever I had gone through, since I had been in 55 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: prison and no communication, no visits, being in this place, 56 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: being without my brother, being like like just lost and 57 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: not knowing why. 58 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: Jay was struggling, not just because he was without Pete, 59 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: but in mcc New York, communication was limited so he 60 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: wasn't able to see his family. Val could tell how 61 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: badly Jay was struggling and did everything she could to 62 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: get Jay moved. 63 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: I ended up saying her eight months and I will 64 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: say thank you to my wife. 65 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 4: Is like when she found out I was there, she 66 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 4: knew about the place and we would write each other's 67 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:37,799 Speaker 4: like she fought, you know, she went hiring attorney because 68 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 4: they were on budget until finally the head of the 69 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 4: people who are handling us happened. 70 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: To do a routine visit to the unit. And they 71 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: come and they see you. They're ahead of people who 72 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: actually handle or witness protection. You could talk to him, 73 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: express your concern, just you know. And I said, hey, 74 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: like you, why am I here? Like you put me 75 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: here with the worst of the worst? Like you know 76 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: what you did? I'm like, what did I do? 77 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 5: Like you? 78 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: No, I don't know what you do. Like listen, it 79 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: doesn't even matter. One of the other guys try to 80 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: kick me off at the meeting. I'm like, listen. And 81 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: I waited for a long time for this. Tell me 82 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: what I did? You know if I did it? You know, 83 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: I'll be honest. But how am I supposed to know 84 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: what I did? And while I'm here? So he liked, 85 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: you want to tell me about your billboards? I was like, billboards, Hey, 86 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: can't you want tell me about the billboard you put 87 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: up on the side of your inside room for your wife? 88 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: I said, yeah, sure, you just got the wrong one. 89 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: He said, what you got the wrong one? And he 90 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: looks at him and he's like, what And you got 91 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: the wrong one? I know that it was a billboard 92 00:05:54,080 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: stud that was my brother. So I had a fight 93 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: for eight months. I mean, val in life fought every 94 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: day to get out that place. I was miserable, you know. 95 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: Valve would come see me sometimes for forty minutes at times, 96 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: and we had. 97 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 6: Problems in the country and the kids, and the kids 98 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 6: were small. 99 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: I did have a low advantage that you could only 100 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: see out the window out the in front of the courthouse. 101 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: It's right across from the courthouse. And one time the 102 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: val brought the kids and my son he loved baseball. 103 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: Then I actually brought the basis in the tea ball 104 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: and she got all the kids and they had a 105 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: baseball game. But I looked at the window. You know, 106 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: he's funny. He would see catchers, you know how they 107 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: picked their mask off to see where the ball when 108 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: they have a high fly ball. But in his head 109 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: that every time he hit the ball or something, he 110 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: had knock his cap off and run. He's a baby. 111 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: He's two years old, you know, two and a half 112 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: years old. And I got to see that. I would 113 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: look at the window and every sometimes where I used 114 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: to sit on that window just see you or just 115 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: look outside I'm like, I don't do anything to just 116 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: be able to see val. And one of those times 117 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: I was looking at the window. It was like kind 118 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: of you know, sun was setting and I'm looking down 119 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: the street and I see like, okay, I see hips 120 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: and I'll never forget her. She's walking, she's putting her suitcase. 121 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: She just happened to stop by just to see it. 122 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the window that kind of weekday and 123 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: she comes to the window and she's like ruin me kisses, 124 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: and it hurt me so much, like not to be 125 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: able to talk to her, not to be able to 126 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: see anything, and I felt closing, and like I felt 127 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: closing even though I was like there there are just 128 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: no commit unication that I decided to make science for 129 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: the next time she ever came. I could just show 130 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: her with science, you know. I made science like I 131 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: love you, be careful, and different signs. I had them 132 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: like we're paint a bunch of different science like where 133 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: are the kids? Tell the kids I love them, and 134 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: I would put them on the window. And it was hard. 135 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: It was a hard time that suffering and led me 136 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: to be in a place where I was able to 137 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: do the rest of my time comfortable. 138 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: The upside of the mix up was that Jay was 139 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: able to pick any prison he wanted to go to. 140 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 2: After the horrors of mcc New York. 141 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: They said where do you want to go? People will 142 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: come in from different places and I asked him, Hey, 143 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: how is this place? And they're like, they'll say did, 144 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: They'll say that, And then a couple of guys came 145 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: out They're gonna go test the fire. And I said, 146 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: where are you coming from? And they're like, this spot here. 147 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, how is it? It's great. There's three day visits. 148 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: The fool's good, you know. I'm like, there's three day visits. 149 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, you should try to make it out 150 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: there or whatever. I'm like, I know where about to go. 151 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: We're so happy with a three day visits. And and 152 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: after that just kind of settled in and I do 153 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: the rest of my time there, and it helped. We 154 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: had treated visits also. We would have Saturday Sunday for 155 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: the kids. We have to We'll switch it for Mondays. 156 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 6: It was night. 157 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: It was day night for us sure, and it was 158 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: it was a lot of relaxed to where I got 159 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: to play with the kids when they were smaller, like 160 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: they had a car proaction that I could wrestle with 161 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: them on the floor and just play with them. Sit 162 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: down and you know, I'm right next to the garden. 163 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: They appreciate it. They like to see you with your kids. 164 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 2: Where was that that? 165 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: I can't say? Okay, it was like, you know, it 166 00:09:58,400 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: was like one of those like you when you look 167 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: at we look at the positives of bad moments, and 168 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: for sure that became a positive. But still, you know, 169 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: it was the beginning of me not having my brother. 170 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 2: As Jay mentioned, the twins aren't always allowed to say 171 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: where they were in prison. Some of the locations are 172 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 2: highly confidential. When Jay first was taken from his brother, 173 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: Pete was left with an empty bed next to him. 174 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: What was it like when you both got separated? 175 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: How hard did you find that? It was super difficult 176 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: for us? You know, they felt like it was hard 177 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: for us to be together sometimes because we were like 178 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: clash a line, and then it was really hard, like 179 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: just in the rawness of our relationship where he's still 180 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: my brother, you know. And I don't want people to 181 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: get it like misunderstand. I think my brother and I 182 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: are always like being each other is protected and it 183 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: was super difficult to not be with them. 184 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 7: You know, what was it like that first morning when 185 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 7: you realized that he'd been taken and that that was it. 186 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: You weren't going to be together that day they take him. 187 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: It was like three four in the morning and they 188 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: locked myself back door and I look and I'm like, 189 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: they're probably taking him to the shoe and go back 190 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: to sleep, and I, you know, woke up around seven 191 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: thirty and the other constantly comes in throws me guardage 192 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: back and says, draw your brother's shit in there, like 193 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: and where my brother? So when I get up to 194 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: go calm, like they took my brother, the phones were 195 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: off the security and they shut the phones off. But 196 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, never seen him. Shut the poond up 197 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: and he was gone. And it's hard to think that 198 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: everything they had to go through. It was difficult me 199 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: just thinking they were there. Now, you know, I had 200 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: to get used to like not having like my poin brother. 201 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: We do everything together. We made it that far together. 202 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: There's so much lesson doing our case. And it was 203 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: hard because we were about to go to one of 204 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: the hardest situations we've gone through them in prison, and 205 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,359 Speaker 1: we needed each other. It was very hard. 206 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 7: Because up in Silva, you'd always have the opportunity to 207 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 7: be together and you'd always, you know what, for me, 208 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 7: made decisions together since you were born. 209 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: Like it wasn't just I don't know, it was like 210 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: since you were born. Yeah, that was hard because my 211 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: brother and I have always had that mentality. Then we'd 212 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: figure out a way to find a way. And I 213 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: think at first it was sad. Of course, it was 214 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: hurtful to think that my brother wasn't there when I 215 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: first realized that he wasn't there with me no more. 216 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: But in a weird way, I feel like we're gonna 217 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: find a way to get back together. It's not mentally 218 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: at the time, we're still a couple months into prison. 219 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, we're gonna take care of us, 220 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 1: you know. I remember the person in charge of the 221 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 1: of our units. I remember he had a visit and 222 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: he came to me and tells me, I just want 223 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: you to know something. You don't run this shit. I don't. 224 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: I was like, all right, okay, you're right, But you know, 225 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: to have them kind of like people over you in 226 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: that situation, they wanted to keep reminding you that they 227 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: had control over your life, and they would be inappropriate 228 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: about at times, you know, things they would say about 229 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: my personal issues and the things they heard over the 230 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: phone and stuff like that, and that kind of bothered me, 231 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,719 Speaker 1: like that was like something I can't get used to, 232 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, then you'll never get used to. But I 233 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: thinking that I was gonna be able to find a 234 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: way to be with my brother was always like freshen 235 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:13,119 Speaker 1: my mind. And I could only hear from them through Viviana, 236 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: and there was like another burden for her thing to 237 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: put that on her to like, hey, in tapletaing care 238 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: of kids and everything you do, make sure you know 239 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: everything about my brother. 240 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: When it was discovered that it was actually Pete who 241 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: puts up the billboards and not Jay, Pete was disciplined. 242 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: So I got a couple of disciplined writers for like 243 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: endangering the safety of the step and other inmates, you know, 244 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: for reaching out to the public or but you know, 245 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. It took my phone, my visits. 246 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 2: And then it was Pete's turn to be transferred. Putting 247 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: the billboards out there meant there was a risk that 248 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: his location had been compromised. 249 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: It was just a stressful time, because like I ain't 250 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: to be in trust to the worst place that you 251 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: can be at. I mean it was just just a 252 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: miserable place. Everyone there was miserable. It's always cold. There 253 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: are all steel walls, and you have the thing they 254 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: steal toilet and you're allowed to wreck three times a 255 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: week if that or shower wreck one or the other 256 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: recreation recreation, so you get to go out in a 257 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: patio or something for thirty minutes or whatever three times 258 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: a week, three times a week, and you're allowed one 259 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: phone call after every after a month, you're all one 260 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: phone call and cold, slowely. Some men blocks, you know, 261 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: some men that it's a mattress on a cement. What 262 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: does it smell like? You'd be surprised that prisons are clean. 263 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: The first thing you do when you go in to show, 264 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: you and you get soap and you clean everything down. 265 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: You actually cleans up and you just try to disinfect 266 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: the whole style, you know, you clean yourself. Yeah, you're 267 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: on your knees and discrubbing and you ladder off soap 268 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: and you clean the the toilet and everything you're gonna use. 269 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: And it s gets cold sometimes, so you try to 270 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: find ways to hold down to clothes, you know, to 271 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: hold on to extra socks or like a laundry that 272 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: you just try to keep 'em even if you wash 273 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: 'em on t you know, in the sink, cause you're 274 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: gonna need 'em. And I would write letters, and then 275 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: you get this. They give you a stupid little pencil 276 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: and you have to figure out a way to sharpening yourself, 277 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: cause they're not gonna be sharpening your pencil every time 278 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: it needs to be sharpened. Like, and I would write 279 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: letters and I would be asking everyone, can let me 280 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: get your pencil on exac can Yeah, I have it, 281 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: something to write with it. And I would read and 282 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,479 Speaker 1: read and read or exercise, and that time goes by 283 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: so slow, I mean extremely so, especially like in the beginning, 284 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: you know, and then you start to kind of like 285 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: get used to that little routine. My loneliness will get 286 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: the best of me. I'm quick to talk to someone like, hey, 287 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: what are you doing with it? Just whatever? Play chess, 288 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: go through the wall. Yeah, you yell out your movie 289 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: and make a chess board and you set up you 290 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: literally will make a chessboarder out of pieces of paper 291 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: and you draw your little or write night on it 292 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: or rug or you know, and and you'll yell like 293 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: be one to be three, you know, and wait for 294 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: their move. And then when they make their move, you 295 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: make the move on the board for them, you know, 296 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: and your own board. They have their own board, and 297 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: you hear keys and the first thing you do is 298 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: go to the door to see what's going on, wait 299 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: for child, for that styropham plate that comes, you know, 300 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: and you're like to let me see what they done 301 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: this time. And we had the routine where Mondays was 302 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: like a chili mac for lunch, Tuesdays was chicken patty 303 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: day or something, Wednesday was burgers, Thursday was chicken, like 304 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: the best meal of the week was like Thursdays and 305 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: Friday was like fish. That's the routine. So did you 306 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: know what each day was? Is that how you kept 307 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: track of the day. Yeah, you kind of keep the 308 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: trails they you know, you make these homemade calendars and 309 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: if you're lucky and people in the kitchen, they'll give 310 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: you extra heavy plate, and what you have to do 311 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: you have to put the food to the side, and 312 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: so you're gonna eat a little bit of it and 313 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: save something later, cause you're gonna be hungry, and because 314 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: the portions are usually small, so when they give you 315 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: extra food, you gotta save it, you know, cause sometimes 316 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: like the dinner would be like a couple slices of bread, 317 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: some cheese or peanut butter and jelly. I never drank 318 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: milk like that, and in prison, I started drinking milk 319 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: because it was just like I needed food. You know, 320 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: you try to save as much food as you can. 321 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: I bet you lost a lot of weight. Yeah I do, 322 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: and it was like a hundred and forty pounds one 323 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: thirty five all muscle. Yeah, but yeah you do. I mean, 324 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: you work out, You try to keep your mind. You know, 325 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: your routine. You work out. If you have someone like 326 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: a good neighbor, like you work out together and then 327 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: we do Burby. But it's hard inside. Sometimes I just 328 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: couldn't hold the tears back as a measure thinking about 329 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: my kids, about seeing my wife leave the vista, and 330 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: just just wish I could be. 331 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 2: There with her. 332 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's horrible to go through that. But for me, 333 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,239 Speaker 1: with helped me was that I was comfortable with who 334 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: I was. And a lot of people see you and 335 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: they you know, they tend to like measure you up 336 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: a live, you know, and it was like I don't 337 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: care whatever that don't affect me. You know, I have 338 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 1: a wife and children who who depend on me, who 339 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: are there for me, who seem make me feel like 340 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: I'm worth more, Like they they see something to me 341 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: that makes them love me unconditioning. And I felt like 342 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: I had to live up to it, like I let 343 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: myself allow myself to be worthy of it, you know, 344 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: to receive it, you know, to receive their love and 345 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: appreciate it, take it in and just it was hard though, 346 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: you know, because and there you deal with so many 347 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: people who are broken, and they want to value you 348 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: as how many people you killed, how much money you have. 349 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: It's like stupid, like still of it. I thought about 350 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: my family and my children that every single second, all 351 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: my time away from them. So it could be a 352 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: heavy burden too, you know that we're stuck in the 353 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 1: inside and living on the outside. It's hard. And everybody 354 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: will tell you don't do that, but not everyone had 355 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: a Vivian on their life. Everybody it was hard. 356 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 6: It was hard. 357 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: I mean I had really really tough things, you know, 358 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: and I think every man in prison does. And doors 359 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,239 Speaker 1: closed at now and you sit there and you think 360 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: about all the stupid things you've done, how you got there, 361 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: if you're lucky. If you're lucky, you have those thoughts. 362 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: So I had this steam where when I was in 363 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: the unit where I was free, where I would on 364 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: check about my wife and that she would answer and 365 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: say hi, but not accept the call. I could just 366 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: hear or say like for one second, not even a 367 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: second maybe, and that brought me peace to hear said 368 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: we're good man, because you couldn't speak to that because 369 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: the minutes were limited. So in order to say some minutes, 370 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,239 Speaker 1: I would do it something. I would do it ten 371 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: times a day and they would like get on my 372 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: ass about it, and I was like whatever it like, 373 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: I just needed to know that they were okay, and 374 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: just even that one one high, like if she just 375 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: said I love your bad I'm missing that would just 376 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 1: like to just feel some connection. I got my minutes 377 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: on the fourth of every month, and that day with 378 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: Twils was like happy minute day, like we could talk 379 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: and I wish they could tell you there was nothing 380 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: going on during the month, but there was always something 381 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: going on that made me like go to those minutes 382 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: faster and we were literally like write each other eighteen 383 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: page ladders during the weekend and see each other on 384 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: the weekend. And I don't think even then we were 385 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: we able to share with each other everything that was 386 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: really going. 387 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 2: On inside the prison walls. Pete and Jay were isolated 388 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 2: and lonely. Outside the prison walls, their wives, valen Viev, 389 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 2: were facing the same thing. Every time the twins transferred 390 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 2: prisons the families had to move to. Valenviev were not 391 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 2: only separated from their husbands, but now also from each 392 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 2: other on opposite ends of the country. And even though 393 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 2: they were in the US, the cartel has people everywhere. 394 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 2: Al Chapo is not known for his forgiveness, so anyone 395 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: connected to the brothers had a huge target on their backs. 396 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 5: When we first came back from Mexico, we came to 397 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 5: the United States, I knew what kind of life I 398 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 5: was going to have to live. I would never even 399 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 5: put my name on an email on account my real name. 400 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 5: I mean, there's just I was always hyper aware of 401 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 5: if I was going to do something. I always thought 402 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 5: in the back of my mind, like, Okay, can somebody 403 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 5: find me? Can somebody find myself and my children? So 404 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 5: any little step I made, like my bills or an email, 405 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 5: like little simple things. I always had that in the 406 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 5: back of my mind that you know, eventually somebody would 407 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 5: find me if I were to slip up. But it 408 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 5: wasn't hard for me. I moved around so many places, 409 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 5: and I lived in small towns and I kept to myself. 410 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 5: I mean through the years, I didn't, you know, acquire 411 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 5: not one friend. And if a mom at the school 412 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 5: was asking me too many questions or I seeing them 413 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 5: being a little too nosy, like, I would just back 414 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 5: off and I wouldn't allow my kids to have play 415 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 5: dates with them any longer because I felt uncomfortable. I 416 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 5: felt like if somebody was going to know anything about 417 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 5: myself or my kids, that would be in more danger 418 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 5: than we already were. Me, out of everyone, I was 419 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 5: the one, very very always careful, always careful, and he 420 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 5: never let anyone get close to me. When I moved 421 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 5: into like smaller towns, I made sure that my neighbors 422 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 5: wouldn't ask me questions, and if they did, I would 423 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 5: be like, oh, I'm just a single mom. 424 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: It was lonely. 425 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 5: It was definitely lonely because I've always been around people. 426 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 5: I have a big family. I've always you know, I 427 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 5: had friends growing up and I live, you know, a 428 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 5: normal life. I felt like it was either me have 429 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 5: you know, lived a normal life that I wanted, or 430 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 5: protect my kids. That wasn't even an option. I was 431 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 5: going to do whatever I had to do to protect them. 432 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 6: I do live a life that's very different from anybody 433 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 6: in this world. We have to make sure that we're 434 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 6: safe and we have to keep our children out of 435 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 6: harm's way, so there's a lot of things that were 436 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 6: accustomed to today. I use a prepaid phone because I'm 437 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 6: trying to elude private investigators from finding me and tracking 438 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 6: me down for the cartel. I feel like I've always 439 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 6: said that me and Jay are really strong and that 440 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 6: we can get through anything that we've probably been through 441 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 6: so much, and I feel like, you know, we're unbreakable. 442 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 6: I feel like we're we can withstand more than your 443 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 6: average probably couple good. But when it comes to like 444 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 6: your children, it's like you have this special place in 445 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,239 Speaker 6: your heart for them. You never want to see them 446 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 6: go through anything. You just want to be protective and 447 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 6: you just want to shelter them from that, so it's 448 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 6: really hard for them. I just felt like our kids 449 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 6: are not built for this. Over the years, I've sheltered 450 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 6: them so much and put them in this bubble that 451 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 6: I just wanted to keep them insulated from this world. 452 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 6: They don't know, or they didn't know any of this before. 453 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 6: They didn't even know their father's real name because just 454 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 6: because I didn't want them to google him, or if 455 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 6: I knew there was this special coming out on television 456 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 6: about their dad, I would like take the cable out, 457 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 6: and like I had like something was going on with 458 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 6: the cable box because I didn't want them to see 459 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 6: their dad on television, and so like there was all 460 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 6: these like precautions that I made, and like they literally 461 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 6: thought that their dad was in prison for tax evasion 462 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 6: because I didn't want them to know. It was really 463 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 6: hard for them to see Jay like that. And I 464 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 6: feel like it was maybe in the beginning, when they 465 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 6: were still babies, it was a lot easier for them 466 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 6: because they were so young and they didn't know any better, 467 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 6: and they honestly thought that like that was kind of 468 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 6: their normalcy to be visiting their father every weekend in prison, 469 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 6: And it wasn't until they got older that they started 470 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 6: realizing that he's in jail, he's in prison. You know 471 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 6: he's not coming home. 472 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 2: The brothers also had to be careful with who they 473 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 2: interacted with in prison. You never knew who you might 474 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 2: bump into. 475 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 5: Here. 476 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: I am transfer to a new prison and I get 477 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: putt in this out. I was supposed to be alone, 478 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: and then they came like, oh, you're going to have 479 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: a Sally make room. He should be here any minute. 480 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: When he gets there, I looked at my Oh my god, 481 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: I know you. 482 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 6: Here. 483 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: I am with chapter's biggest rival. 484 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 2: Byming l Chapo, The Twins Who brought Down a Drug Lord. 485 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 2: Season two is hosted by Curtis fifty cent Jackson and 486 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 2: me Charlie Webster, produced by myself and Jackson mcclennan, Assistant 487 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 2: producer and research support by Kasey Hurtz, Edit and sound 488 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 2: design by Nico Polella. Theme music and original score by 489 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 2: Ryan Sorenson. It's executive produced by Curtis fifty cent Jackson 490 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 2: and Me Charlie Webster. Curtis fifty cent Jackson presents a 491 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 2: Lionsgate sound and G unit audio production exclusively for iHeart Podcasts.