1 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. 2 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: Plan on paying less for the coverage you need with 3 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: Farm Bureau Health Plans. Get a quote today at fb 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: HP dot com with Amy Wells. I'm Mike Keith. We're 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: so glad to have with us the Titans new offensive coordinator, 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: Nick Holts. 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: Welcome, thanks for having me. 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to the bet MGM studio. 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: Oh it's great, What a great place. 10 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: And the Snickers hot seat. 11 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 2: I might have one myself. I'm sitting. 12 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: He always satisfies, Nick. Okay, So I want to start 13 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: with two things. First of all, you spell your last 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: name h O l z. You pronounce it holes correct. Okay, 15 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: So how many times a week do people ask you 16 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: if you're Lou Holtz's son or misspell your name? 17 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: So pretty much daily, especially when he was coaching. He's 18 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: on TV a bunch and people just assumed that I 19 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: was spelling it wrong, which is fine. But it's German 20 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 2: means wood, so that's exciting. Okay. So we got anybody 21 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: that want to, you know, learn a new language, and 22 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: I at least one word in German going here exactly. 23 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: This is what we do for the ot people. Education. 24 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: But Yeah, everybody thinks it's Holds, which so every pizza 25 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: place in town, you know, every uh you know, when 26 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 2: you're calling in your order, it's all spelled wrong, and 27 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 2: you know, why correct them at this point? 28 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: So have you ever given the name like for a 29 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: reservation and they thought you were going to be Probably? 30 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 2: I don't feel like I've gotten all these great tables 31 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: or anything, you know, But I don't think I'm sitting 32 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 2: right in the corner in the good spots. But yeah, 33 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 2: it would be maybe it has worked out for me. 34 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: I just have a notice. 35 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: We start with the important stuff. 36 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, we really do. 37 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 3: If we're going to get to know you, we're going 38 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 3: to really get to know you. And I can see 39 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 3: how the connection would be drawn with football and football 40 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 3: and football. 41 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: And there are a lot of sons in coaching, as 42 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: we certainly know here with it exact father and son exactly. 43 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: I don't know how many of them were the son 44 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: is the boss, but you know, like like we have here. 45 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: But other than that, I mean, honestly, that would have 46 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: never worked with me and my dad now, I mean, 47 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: there is no chance I couldn't work for my dad. Correct, 48 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,279 Speaker 1: he has a business. You know, I had a business, 49 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: and my brother did and has done great. I couldn't 50 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: do it. The thought of bossing him around, even if 51 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: it's suddenly it would have never worked. 52 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: Not a real thought. It's not a real thought that 53 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 2: can enter my brain in that way. 54 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: But you know both you, I mean, you worked for 55 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: Bill Callahan and Nebraska. You obviously knew him somewhat growing 56 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: up through the fact that you went to day Lesaw 57 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: with Brian Callahan. So you've sort of got the you 58 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: sort of threaten all that. Yeah. 59 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 2: So yeah, so in high school, you know, his dad 60 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 2: was around obviously a lot, but you know, his dad's 61 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: a worker of all workers. You know, there's nobody with 62 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 2: a work ethic like him. So he wasn't, you know, 63 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: always around the house or anything like that. But when 64 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: he was, you know, you would just kind of we 65 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 2: would already start picking his brain on random football questions 66 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: and things like that. And then when I got done 67 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 2: with college, I had no idea what I want to 68 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: do with my life, and anyways, long story or turning 69 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 2: a short story into long story, I guess they I 70 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 2: ended up calling. I called every person I knew, asking 71 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: what they would do for work, what they would do 72 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: for a job anything like that. A couple months later, 73 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 2: he calls me and says, I got this job at Nebraska. 74 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: I worked for him as a you know, offensive assistant, 75 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 2: and I think he tried to kill me, like I 76 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: think it was. 77 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: It was. 78 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: I think he tried to you know. And I remember 79 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: calling Brian one time, I'm like, your father's insane. Like 80 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: this guy, there's nobody that works like this guy, like 81 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: this is a mate, you know. And so that's the 82 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: first part of the story of you know, his dad 83 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: is that is the number one thing you would say 84 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: about him. I actually told him the story the other 85 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: day about how I thought, you know, I was gonna 86 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: literally die at my desk because he was working so hard. 87 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: But wait, where was the original question? I just got started? 88 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: Why the dynamic seems to work for them already? 89 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: I think that they are both They're both wired that way, right. 90 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 2: Can they both understand that it's there's the football time, 91 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 2: and then there's father son time, and then there's you know, also, 92 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: you know, Brian has kids, so it's grandpa time. And 93 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: I think they are both comfortable enough because they've worked 94 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 2: for so long, so far apart from each other, you know, 95 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 2: they hadn't really crossed paths and really then worked with 96 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 2: a bunch of people that had worked with each other. 97 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 2: So I think they're both so established in their ways 98 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 2: now that it's really just like a normal coaching relationship, 99 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: which is which is pretty fun to see just from 100 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: a third party that has kind of more of the 101 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:46,679 Speaker 2: background here than everybody else. 102 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: So having that experience of working for someone who worked 103 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 3: you so hard and instilled such a work ethic in 104 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 3: you has to be something that looking back on it now, 105 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 3: being in the position that you are in with the 106 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 3: Tennessee Titans, it's got to feel good that you had 107 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 3: that built into you so early, right. 108 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, And just the I think there's probably a 109 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: level of respect he gained for, you know, those guys 110 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: that kind of went through the wars, and he knows, 111 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: you know, Bill knows that I haven't really skipped any 112 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: steps in that regard, and so I think he's has 113 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: a trust in me of that I'm always going to 114 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: do whatever needs to get done because I did that 115 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: from you know what fifteen something years ago. 116 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: Is that why you only made it one year with 117 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: him in Nebraska? 118 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, pretty much. Also, yeah, we all got to 119 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: let go, but you know, I wasn't sure if I 120 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: was going to make it for the second year. I 121 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 2: wouldn't tell him that. I guess I shouldn't te him 122 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: on a podcast too. 123 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: But that's okay. He won't listen. No one listens. But 124 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: you go to Stanford. Went to Stanford, and so how 125 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: much easier is that opportunity based on having been through 126 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: the year with Bill at Nebraska. 127 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: Don't tell Jim Harbaugh this, but it was easier. But 128 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: Jim also had the same experience I had at the Raiders. 129 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: Jim was a first year coach getting done playing, and 130 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: he was the offensive assistant quarterback coach for the Raiders, 131 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: and he said, you know, there was one time he 132 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: pulled into his garage and he just fell asleep right 133 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 2: there in the car and then woke up a couple 134 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: hours later and drove back to the office. And you know, 135 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: Jim and I remember telling that story. So, yes, it 136 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: was much easier going to going to Stanford after having 137 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 2: the Nebraska Bill Callahan experience. But I also learned a 138 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: way to do things and learned a I guess a 139 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: baseline of just how to work, you know, like a 140 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 2: Bill just threw all of us in the fire and 141 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: he was treated you, you know, we were a college team, 142 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: but treated you like you were a pro coach, you know. 143 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 2: And I think that was a great way to learn 144 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 2: to come up as a first job. 145 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 3: So that has to make the transition to the pros 146 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 3: that much easier still because now you have these years 147 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 3: of experience of being in one style, but your training 148 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 3: essentially for the pros. 149 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was very lucky because I had that at 150 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: Nebraska and then at Stanford with Jim and then David Shaw, 151 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: you know, all guys that had long term NFL experience. 152 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 2: We really ran an NFL system, an NFL way of installing. 153 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 2: And you look back at some of those staffs of 154 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: the guys coached with, you know, especially at Stanford, the 155 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: Greg Romans, and you know, all those guys that made 156 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: it to the NFL. Willie Taggart's now in the NFL 157 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: and Pep Hamilton and just a million guys that had 158 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: really came there. Vic Fangio came from the NFL just 159 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 2: for a year and then went back, and so that 160 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: was great exposure for me. 161 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: Let's go and then then you go the Raiders from there, Yes, 162 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: ten years with the Raiders so you've got Bill Callahan 163 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: on your resume, You've got Jim Harbaugh, You've got David 164 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: Shaw then with the Raiders, who were the head coaches 165 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: that you worked for there. 166 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: So it was originally hired by Dennis Allen and Greg 167 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: notatt rest in Peace was the offensive coordinator. Yes, he was. 168 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: What a wonderful man to learn from and just how 169 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: to carry yourself and just a just a great human vice. Yeah, 170 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: And so he was there first as my offense cordinator. 171 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: Then got Greg Olsen came in Greg's first hint with 172 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: the Raiders. I had Greg for two years. And Tony 173 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: Sperano was the old line coach, so again another whole 174 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: different system. He came from the Bill Parcells system. And 175 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 2: just the way the NFL works of so many guys 176 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: kind of coming and molding into new systems was really 177 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 2: kind of what took off from me at. 178 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: The Raiders, said Jack del Rio. 179 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: So then Jack del Rio and he brought him Bill 180 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: Musgrave as the offensive coordinator. And Jack actually fired me. 181 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: He doesn't like to remember, he doesn't want to totally 182 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 2: admit this, but he let me go. Then me go. 183 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: You know, I was sat there for a week. I 184 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: was ready to interview for my job, and Jack lets 185 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: me go. And then you know, we're out in California, 186 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: out in northern California. There's nothing cheap out there. So 187 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 2: then he had offered my job to two people and 188 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: they couldn't believe that somebody was working for that little money. 189 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: So then they said, hey, do you want your job back? 190 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: So you wait, wait, wait wait, nickolets yes, sir, Titans 191 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. How does that conversation go? Does Jack call 192 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: you back? 193 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: And did? And and he was like, you know, I 194 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 2: didn't feel you know, he sold it. 195 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: I loved you. 196 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 2: I didn't really want to let you go, but I 197 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 2: just felt like I had these other things. But hey, 198 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 2: you want to come back, but I didn't have a job. 199 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 2: So you get and I got a raise, and I 200 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: got a raise, so I'll take that. I don't know 201 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 2: if it was the smartest strategy to get a raised. 202 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: But you're going to write a book, aren't you. 203 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: I don't know. 204 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: Ten years with the Raiders, you got to write it. 205 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: There's a lot of stories. 206 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And so then John Gruden Yeah. 207 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: And then John So I got to stay with John 208 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: for uh four years. That's where I worked with Brian 209 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: for the first year, and then Brian left once Cincinnati, 210 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: and then Rich Pasachia took over that last season and 211 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 2: he's fantastic. Yeah, he's a great coach and what a 212 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 2: great person. And then uh and then off to uno 213 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: V for a year, which was so. Josh McDaniels comes in. 214 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 2: We had a great relationship, but chance to go be 215 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: an offensive coordinator, call plays, kind of do that. I 216 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: just needed to do something ten years in one place. 217 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 2: I was like, all right, you're stagnant, go do something else, 218 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: but you don't have to move. Then it was so 219 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 2: I had this big stop light, went out of my neighborhood. 220 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 2: Left was the Raiders facility like four minutes and ten minutes. 221 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 2: The other way was the UNOV facility. It was great. 222 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: You did everything with the Raiders on offense base. I 223 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: can't think of anybody and just reading about your your 224 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: kind of time. There really an amazing amount of different 225 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: jobs that had to get you ready to be the 226 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator at UNLV. 227 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: It was great. It was the one thing I'll say, 228 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: especially about coach Gruden, is he really empowered people to 229 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: just like take it and run with it. And so 230 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 2: if you were looking to grow or you wanted to 231 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: learn how to do something. He wasn't going to stand 232 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: in your way, and you could come to him with 233 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: an open door policy of Hey, I was watching somebody's 234 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 2: tight end cut ups and here's what I thought, and 235 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 2: you go hand it to him and he'd be like 236 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 2: this is great, or go that's stupid or whatever. 237 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: But he really did, really, ever really say that stupid. 238 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: I mean sometimes probably not the word stupid, John, Yeah no, 239 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: but he just said, you know, he would let you 240 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: go take those things and run with them, you know, 241 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: and then that was really cool for just a learning 242 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: and growing experience. And then he'd be like, all right, 243 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: now go install to the rest of the staff. Okay, 244 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: now go show these guys. And it was really really 245 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 2: cool way to do. He's like a. 246 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 3: Case study in just NFL football, the people that you've 247 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 3: been able to work with, the experiences that you've been 248 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 3: able to have. I mean, this is incredible, Mike. 249 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we see know where he was last year, right. 250 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. And I wasn't gonna talk about we 251 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 3: have to the jags of it all. 252 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: Well, let's just say I mean Doug Peterson's pretty dog 253 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: gone good. He is I mean, and he's some kind 254 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: of coach. So another great experience, and. 255 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: It was great. You know, I had never met Doug 256 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 2: at all and his first of all, his demeanor is 257 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 2: something I wish I could replicate or be that way. 258 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 2: He is like this at all times except when he 259 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 2: needs to. But you know, his level of consistency of 260 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 2: who he is. And then he's got such a unique 261 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: perspective of he played quarterback for so long and then 262 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 2: he's you know, he went back, he started coaching high school, 263 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 2: then he was a quality control guy, then he was 264 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: a position coach, then is coordinator, then he's a head coach, 265 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 2: you know, and his natural progression of you know, he 266 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: didn't skip any steps. He is a great worker, but 267 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 2: he's he's so humble in everything that he does. But 268 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 2: he always goes back to his experiences as a player 269 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: and really his experience as a high school coach and 270 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 2: a young quality control guy and how to do things. 271 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 2: When you hear him talk about he's always like, well, 272 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 2: we were trying to teach it this way or that way, 273 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 2: and it's just it's very impressive for a guy who's 274 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 2: had that level of success to have that kind of mindset. 275 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: Overall, as you were in that job at Jacksonville and 276 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: you were the passing game coordinator. Yes, so your work 277 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: because Doug's Doug's gonna call the plays. That's pretty much 278 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 1: that works, right. 279 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 2: So actually, last year Press Taylor called the play was 280 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: very involved, and you know, but then it was kind 281 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: of a I don't know how they did the year before, 282 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 2: but then Press took over most play calling last year. 283 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: And of course Press is Zach Taylor's brother. And there's 284 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: another connection to Brian Callahan because that's Brian Callahan worked 285 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: for Zach Taylor. It's all Amy said it. It's all interconnected. 286 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 2: Actually, here's a long another random fact to it about that. 287 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: So I get to Nebraska in what two thousand and 288 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 2: seven seven, and I'm where we're working, and Bill's trying 289 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: to kill me, and he's like, we got a guy 290 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: for you. He's gonna come in and help. He's like 291 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 2: he just got cut by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And 292 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: it was Zach Taylor and so Zach kind of just 293 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 2: shared a desk and you know, we'd bring in to 294 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 2: Jimmy John Sandwiches. Zach made it four games. So I 295 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: always tell Zach he owes me a big one. So 296 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: we made it four games and we lost to somebody, 297 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 2: I think USC something like that. And then Zach just 298 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: went off to play in the Canadian Football League. And 299 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: but Zach was doing all this work and then he 300 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 2: just leaves and they expected the workstill to get done, 301 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 2: so then I just had to do it. 302 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 3: Wait, so he left you essentially doing two. 303 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: Jobs for eight nine games something like that. 304 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 3: I would collect on that. 305 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: I feel like it's time. I think now enough success. 306 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: So I feel like he's got it in the bank 307 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 2: here somewhere. 308 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: When when Brian Callahan called you, when you've got the 309 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: call about potentially being the offensive coordinator here, what was 310 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: kind of the sales pitch, his sales pitch, your sales pitch, 311 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: or the thought about how this would work, like his 312 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: relationship with Zach Taylor worked in Cincinnati. 313 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: You know it was I'm sure some people just assume 314 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: because we have this long relationship that oh, he's like, hey, high, 315 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: it's gonna be great. It was not a conversation like 316 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: that at all. I ended up flying up and I 317 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 2: really spent the first hour of the presentation talking about 318 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: structure of like job responsibilities, things like that, you know, 319 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 2: just scheduling how to help him. How I saw Press 320 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: help Doug, How I saw Greg Olsen help John Gruden 321 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 2: as when they weren't calling the plays as a coordinator. 322 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: And so that's really how the conversation started. And then 323 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 2: you know, it was and then probably the next couple 324 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 2: hours after that, we're talking scheme and different you know, 325 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 2: philosophies and all those other kind of things and things 326 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: I had been exposed to. But that was really the first 327 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: part of it was just talking how managing staff, how 328 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: do you want these positions? How would you have all 329 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: of this look? And you know, Ran had a big 330 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 2: conversation in it, and it was it was just an 331 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: interesting three guys just kind of sitting around a table 332 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: going through it. 333 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 3: So I think we need to take a moment to 334 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 3: demystify something little bit, and that is the role of 335 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator, because I think that as outsiders, you 336 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 3: don't see a lot of really what any coaching staff does, 337 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 3: but especially someone like the offensive coordinator. Position coaches make yeah, 338 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 3: position coaches make a lot of sense. You work with 339 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 3: this position group. As the offensive coordinator, it's a lot broader, 340 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 3: And so I think it just kind of take us 341 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 3: through what that role really entails and what the job 342 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 3: responsibilities of an offensive coordinator are. 343 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: You know, it really starts with the number one is 344 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 2: like the managing of people, right, so you know, just 345 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: like in any business, you know, there's a structure and 346 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 2: a hierarchy and how task and things are like that 347 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: are assigned and collected and whatever. So I would say 348 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 2: it obviously starts with it's a people business. That's number one. 349 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: Number two would be there's so much football tape to 350 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 2: be organized and watched and evaluated and things like that. 351 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: As you go through it, you're like, all right, what's 352 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 2: our process for how do we build the game plan? Right? 353 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: So how do you build the places you see on Sunday? Well, 354 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 2: our process is, all right, we start with formations. All right, 355 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 2: let's look at the formations. What are we getting defensively? 356 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: What are their problems they present us, what are our matchups? 357 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 2: And really starting to be the first line as the 358 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 2: offensive coordinator of what we want to do and what 359 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: we how we want to solve those problems, and then 360 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: delegating back to the assistance. Okay, does this work for 361 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 2: your guys? Do you think you can do this? And 362 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: then the collection of all those ideas, somebody's got to 363 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: be the final cut through of Okay, these are the 364 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 2: ten base runs we're gonna have. Okay, great, And that's 365 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 2: how they go on the sheet, and then we organize 366 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 2: and script them, and you know, you got to make 367 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 2: sure all the looks and situations are covered and things 368 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 2: like that. So I do think there's certainly more that 369 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 2: goes into it. I don't even know if I kind 370 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 2: of feel like I scratch the surface of it, but 371 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 2: I guess that it would be my base jumping off answer. 372 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: It had been described years ago, and it may not 373 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: still be this way. That really the offensive line coach, 374 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: the tight end coach, and the running back coach will 375 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: do a lot of the run game install with the 376 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: thought process, and then the pass games the quarterback coach, 377 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: the receivers coach, and then the tight end coach is 378 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: involved in that too. Yeah, and that's why the tight 379 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: end coach position is so important on the offense. Is 380 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: that still kind of how it is? 381 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: Versions of that? Okay, Like we have one coach will 382 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 2: really be the lead for so as we game plan, 383 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 2: it'll be myself and Brian and every game plan meeting 384 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 2: no matter what. And then whether we have somebody who's 385 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 2: responsible for third downs, whether that's the quarterback coach, the 386 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 2: receiver coach. We have totally gotten through all those pieces 387 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 2: of who's doing what yet, but then that person comes in, 388 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,719 Speaker 2: We build the game plan for third down and then 389 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 2: get with the bill, make sure he sees all the 390 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: third downs the same way, and then we present it 391 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 2: to the staff. Staff then takes it. They take it 392 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: to the players, right, and then it's going to kind 393 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 2: of keep going through that for each situation in the game. 394 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: So you're like chefs who are putting things together for 395 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: a tasting, and then that what what is like, what 396 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: what people love to eat is what you end up 397 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: serving for sure. 398 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 2: For sure, and what you know you can't serve, you know, 399 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 2: and you can't serve ribs to a you know, a 400 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: formal dinner, you know what I mean. So the food 401 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: doesn't fit. Okay, that doesn't work this week as theylit's 402 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 2: too much, all right, that goes out, this comes in. 403 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 2: I would say that's a very fair analogy. 404 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 3: I was a phenomenal analogy. 405 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: Mike Keith, Wow, it's a good time for me to 406 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: mention seat geek as I'm having my moment. Seat Geek 407 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: is now the official ticketing partner of the Tennessee Titans. 408 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: Whether you're buying or selling tickets to Titans games or 409 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: any other live event in Nashville, Seat Geek is the 410 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: place to do it. Seat Geek the new official ticketing 411 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: partner of the Tennessee Titans. 412 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:55,239 Speaker 3: So Titans fans, she says that, well, bo Heart agree, yes, 413 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 3: Sir Jackson, Tennessee's own Yes, Sir Tennessee Vacuum. 414 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you do you have a background of sorts 415 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: with your new quarterback coach? 416 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 2: Bo Heart agree. I don't as much as Brian did. 417 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 2: So Kevin Brian worked together in Denver. They both have ties. 418 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 2: They're kind of all off that Peyton Manning Tree, you know, 419 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: with Adam Gaze and Jim Bob Cooter and those kind 420 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 2: of guys. So that was really their connection. I was 421 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 2: kind of like one degree removed from those guys. Okay, So, 422 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 2: but I also know all the guys that had him 423 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 2: at the Raiders, and I've known bo for a long time, 424 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: and you know, everybody just raves about the teacher that 425 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 2: he is. Kind of his very calming presence on the 426 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 2: quarterback and then shoot, you saw what he got thrown 427 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 2: into the fire at the end of the season. All 428 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 2: of a sudden, he's just calling the plays and he 429 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 2: did a great job. 430 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: How much does it help that there are so many 431 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,959 Speaker 1: guys on the offensive side who have called plays in 432 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,719 Speaker 1: college or in the pros. 433 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: I think it's a huge advantage just because even you know, 434 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 2: when I was a younger coach, Yeah, I used to 435 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 2: think everybody says, this is how I would do it, 436 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 2: or this is what I would want to do. And 437 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,719 Speaker 2: then now, once you've done it, you're like, Okay, I 438 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 2: now see like why they did it this way, or 439 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 2: you know what, it gives you a whole new perspective. 440 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 2: So with bo having called plays and coach Callahan and 441 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 2: you know, Brian's called plays, and just you know, we 442 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: really were intentional about building a staff with kind of 443 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 2: a really good background. Oh very but very different backgrounds 444 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 2: and we're not all the same. 445 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, justin Outen as well, exactly. 446 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sorry forgot about Jay. Oh yeah, he's you know, 447 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 2: he what a what a brilliant guy he is, and 448 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: what a great personality and presence he has when he 449 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 2: was you know, when we interviewed him it took about 450 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: two seconds to be like you're staying. Yeah, you just go. 451 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 2: You had a couple of boxes in his office and 452 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 2: walked in there day later like you should just keep 453 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: unpacking these, buddy, you know, let's stay put them right 454 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 2: back on the shelves. 455 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 3: So there is a tremendous amount of experience, and it's 456 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 3: very varied in terms of the experience. It's varied in 457 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 3: terms of the ages of people on the staff. There's 458 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 3: so many different perspectives on this Titan's coaching staff that 459 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 3: has to be beneficial not only for the coaches, but 460 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 3: also for then engaging with the players because the locker 461 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 3: room is filled with people of varying backgrounds and experiences 462 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 3: as well. 463 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely, well, that's a good question. Nice job, baby, I'm here. 464 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: You guys are a routine man. 465 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she said something nice to me for one. Yeah, 466 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: I get it. It's contractual, that's fair. 467 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 2: I get it. At least you guys know you know 468 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 2: the uh No, I think it's really important to have 469 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 2: a variety of thought and just so many different perspectives 470 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 2: before it even gets to the players. And then you know, 471 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: Tykes coached a long time Randy coach can played forever, 472 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: you know. Luke Stocker just got done playing. So we 473 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 2: were talking to him and he's like, you know, I 474 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: see things this way, you know, and he was just 475 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 2: doing it eighteen months ago, you know. And he's he's 476 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 2: a really bright guy that's got a huge future in 477 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: front of them. So as you start talking to all 478 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 2: these guys, you're like, Okay, that's a you know, that's 479 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 2: something I haven't thought of. And I think we're also 480 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 2: I would like to think that our staff, we're very 481 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 2: humble that we want to hear as many different ways 482 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 2: to do something as we can. You know, there's certainly 483 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 2: after the first couple of weeks, there hasn't been a 484 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 2: well this is what I do, this is what I know, 485 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 2: and you're wrong. Man. We haven't had that conversation yet. 486 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 2: So I don't think we will either. 487 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: I don't think you will either. I want to go 488 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: back to your Jacksonville tiede. Okay, so you're playing against 489 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: the Titans last year. You saw Will Levis in the 490 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: first game, yep, and then you did not see him 491 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: in the season finale, correct, And you're on the other 492 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: side of the ball. You're worried about Trevor Lawrence and C. J. 493 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: Bethard and what they're going to do. How much do 494 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: you know at that point? And as you come into 495 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: this about Will Levis. 496 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 2: So I really didn't know much about Will during the season, right, 497 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: So we didn't The Jaguars weren't really in the first 498 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 2: round courquarter back market, so we really didn't as a 499 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 2: passing going to I spent much more time with the 500 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 2: other skill positions that we had a much more likely 501 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: chance of drafting. You know, I watched him real quickly, 502 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 2: but didn't do any of the background stuff. And then 503 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 2: once he started to play. He played Atlanta right after 504 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 2: we did in his first game, and then we started 505 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 2: having new the crossover games. You know, they played Indie 506 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 2: and they played these are teams. And as you start 507 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 2: watching him, we're just like, man, this guy's pretty good, 508 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 2: all right, this guy's got some stuff. Oh that's a 509 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 2: great throw, you know, or boy, that's a huge hit 510 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 2: that he just got it from. Or well, that's tough 511 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 2: scramble on third down. And so you saw those things 512 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 2: and you're just you kept kind of becoming more intrigued, 513 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 2: and then you really saw a lot of the energy 514 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 2: and kind of the spark and the team. You know, 515 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 2: you kind of saw him really bring a new energy 516 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 2: I think, you know, not talking about anybody else, but 517 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 2: he just looked like he kind of run in and 518 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 2: really raised the level of the group. 519 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, he put he put a volt a shot, however 520 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: you want to call it in the whole team. So 521 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: as the process unfolds, obviously Brian Callahan's going to spend 522 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: a lot of time with Will Levis. Bo Hart Agree 523 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: is going to spend a lot of time with Will Levis. Yep, 524 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: I would imagine you will as well. 525 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 2: We will, Okay, we will become very close. Okay, I 526 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 2: would imagine now, uh, you know he's really Brian and 527 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 2: myself and Bo will almost be in all the quarterback meets, 528 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 2: So any meeting with him will probably at least Bow 529 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 2: and I will be in everyone for the most part. 530 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 2: And then Brian, you know, he gets pulled away, you know, 531 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 2: being a head coach and doing all those other kind 532 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 2: of things, and he'll have to go sit with the defense. 533 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 2: And that's his problem. That's what that's why they pay 534 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: you know, that's why he gets paid that much money. 535 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 2: He's got to go sit over there head coach listening 536 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 2: to tackling or whatever I do. I don't want to 537 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 2: hear any of that. So you know, we'll be you know, 538 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: lockstep kind of the whole way, so there will be 539 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: not any issues with communication. Right, It's all going to 540 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: be said and heard and received and we're all getting 541 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 2: the same feedback from Will at the same time. 542 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 3: How important is establishing that relationship with your quarterback early? 543 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 2: Oh? I think it's imperative and I don't think anybody 544 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 2: can really have success in this league without that kind 545 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 2: of relationship. Like it is, it's different than college like 546 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 2: it's a it's a man's grown ups league, you know 547 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 2: what I mean. These guys have just as much investment 548 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 2: in their futures and they are the players, are the 549 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 2: ones that have to go out there and do the job. 550 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 2: You know, they're the face of the franchise. We just 551 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 2: need to enable them. But they need to feel like 552 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 2: they can trust us that that if they have a 553 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 2: problem and they don't tell us that that should be 554 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 2: on the you know what I mean. But that's on 555 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 2: us for not building for them feeling that's a relationship 556 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 2: that they can do that. You know, there's nothing worse 557 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 2: than when a player comes off and go, I hated 558 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 2: that play all week. We didn't tell me, you know, 559 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 2: we gave you plenty of opportunities. He is there any 560 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 2: place you don't like? Not I like them all, you know, 561 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: or whatever, And that's that's just that's never a good 562 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: You're not in a real good environment. If that's going 563 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 2: to be the case. 564 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: I get the idea. Will's a guy who'll tell. 565 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 2: Him yeah, yeah, I get that vibe. It doesn't seem 566 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 2: he doesn't seem shy. He's not bash for no, No, 567 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 2: it doesn't seem shy. I can't wait to talk football. 568 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 2: You know, we're just doing the hey, how you do meetings? 569 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: You know, but the personalities too around the quarterback. I 570 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: think it's pretty obvious from your OTP appearance you're not 571 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: serious every single moment of the day. 572 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 2: I would say that's not I would say it that's accurate. 573 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: But I would think that's really good for Will Levis, 574 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: who is a you know, a pretty serious guy, and 575 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: he's kind of learned to loosen up a little bit, 576 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: which is something that they wanted him to do initially 577 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: when he got here. 578 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 2: Totally, I think there's a I don't know how I 579 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 2: don't again, I wasn't an fl quarterback, but I can 580 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 2: imagine the pressure of actually being the guy has to 581 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 2: be just you know, it would you know, you've probably 582 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 2: seen it cripple guys, you know, and so. 583 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: We have here. 584 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 2: I can understand why you would be so serious, but 585 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 2: you can't be to the point where it's holding you back, 586 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I'll let you be yourself. 587 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 2: And at the end day, it's just a game, you 588 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 2: know whatever. It's a game where you're going to make 589 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 2: a lot of money and do all those other kind 590 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 2: of things. There's a lot of pressure and attention. But 591 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 2: if you can't go play and let it, let it loose, 592 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 2: then you're really probably gonna never reach your full potential. 593 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: Well, and you think about how many hours these guys 594 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: put in too. You've got to have a couple of 595 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: moments where you have a laugh and and just realize it. 596 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: I mean, at certain points during the week, it is 597 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: a job and you've got to take a little break 598 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: from the pressures of the job totally. 599 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 2: You can't be sitting there, you know, eating your lunch 600 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 2: like it's fourth and one and just be you know, 601 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 2: at some point you got to relax, talk to you 602 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 2: make some friends, talk to those guys. It's all, you know, 603 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 2: just like every other workplace, you can't just sit there 604 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 2: and be all tightened up the whole time. 605 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 3: You know, Mike, As I listened to this discussion, the 606 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 3: thing that my brain just keeps coming back to is 607 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 3: how all of these crossing paths and all of these 608 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 3: different people that have all come together. It seems like 609 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 3: it has created a staff and just a culture all 610 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 3: most a group within the football part of this building 611 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 3: that is so comfortable and that's really a place where 612 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 3: guys can really do whatever it takes to create the 613 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 3: best possible football team. Is that a fair assessment? 614 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 2: I think so? I hope. So. I think that was 615 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,959 Speaker 2: the goal, you know, and you're bring in good people, 616 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: you empower them and you let them do their jobs, 617 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: and that goes for players and coaches. You know. I 618 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 2: think we want the same thing when we're you know, 619 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 2: listening to Ran talk about players, and you know, they 620 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 2: want the guys that want to be here, want to 621 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 2: be great teammates, great citizens, you know, and just kind 622 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 2: of really embody everything we're looking for. 623 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: All right, So let's wrap up with this. So you 624 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: go to Delasau with Brian Callahan. It did, and so 625 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: you're on the practice field together. Yeah, and now, however, 626 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: many years later, it would be like close to twenty 627 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: five probably. 628 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 2: Okay plus twenty five. Okay, I'm sorry, you're actually lost, 629 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 2: my hair man, I got enough things working. 630 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: Against You're actually older than Brian by a few weeks. 631 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 2: I am because you've you've. 632 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: Got an important birthday coming up in March. 633 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 2: Question. 634 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: So what I was getting to is, do you ever 635 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I know you never thought, well, Brian's going 636 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: to be an NFL head coach and I'll be his 637 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: offensive quarter. I'm sure that never crossed your mind. But 638 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: as you look back on it now, knowing that you 639 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: would go on to Colorado and would make your own 640 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: way and then would work for his dad, and knowing 641 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: Brian as you did back in those days as a player, 642 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: While it is probably somewhat surprising, is it maybe not 643 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: shocking that it's happened. 644 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 2: That's probably the best way I've heard it said. Yet. 645 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 2: From the standpoint of Brian always had a presence and 646 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 2: a seriousness to him. 647 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: He was going to do something. 648 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was going to be whatever he chose to do, 649 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 2: he was going to be successful. And he had a 650 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 2: kind of just this baseline way of going about his day, 651 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 2: which was probably unlike most high schoolers, including myself. You know, 652 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 2: I would say he was just kind of always focused. 653 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 2: He never seemed to kind of stray or kind of whatever. 654 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 2: He was just always this would have to do today, 655 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 2: this would have to do tomorrow, that kind of way. 656 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: And I think that's why what it takes to climb 657 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 2: into one of these jobs and to be, you know, 658 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 2: one of the thirty two of thirty two head coaches 659 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 2: in the NFL. And so, yes, did I think he 660 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 2: was going to be the head coach of the Tennessee 661 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 2: Titans or some other NFL team. I can't say I 662 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 2: had it totally dialed, but I think if you asked 663 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 2: everybody around us at that age, he was just had 664 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: a level of maturity. I think that most of us didn't. 665 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: He was that guy in a good way. 666 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, absolutely absolutely. I'm a little upset that this 667 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 2: is going to be public, that he can now clip this. 668 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: But you said dad tried to kill you? 669 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 2: Yeh, We've got the flip side. Get the Lincoln, Nebraska 670 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 2: police on the line. See if I can report a 671 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 2: tempted murder for a couple of years ago. 672 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: Okay, so how much fun was it to attend Colorado? 673 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 2: It's great. Did not prepare you know, didn't prepare me 674 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 2: for life after college, but man, what a great time 675 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 2: that was. 676 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: I bet it was. I was reading that, I was like, oh, 677 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: I bet he had fun in college. 678 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 2: I'd like to think of a good time. 679 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: Boulders a good spot. 680 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 2: It's good place. It's a good place. 681 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: We're glad you're here. 682 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 2: I'm glad to be here. 683 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: And tell your dad, Lou Holtz, we said hi, your 684 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: brother Skip Holds exactly. 685 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 2: Keep waiting for them to invite me to their beach houses. 686 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 3: Or not, you know, at least like a meal or 687 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 3: some something. 688 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 2: But no, I'll keep waiting. 689 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: Nick Holts, Titans offensive Coordator, We're very glad you're here, 690 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: and thank you for taking time with this was a 691 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: lot of fun. 692 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. This is great all right? 693 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: For Nick Holts and Amy Wells, I might keep thanks 694 00:32:51,600 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: for joining us for the oh