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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norrie with

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Speaker 2: your paranormal investigator and author Ross Allison has been giving

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Speaker 2: lectures to thousands of students at hundreds of colleges and

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Speaker 2: universities across the country about his ghost hunting adventures for

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Speaker 2: all over twenty years. His lectures have taken him to London, Canada, Scotland,

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Speaker 2: and through his travels, he has investigated some of the darnedest, scariest,

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Speaker 2: most haunted sites known to man. Ross, Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Have you been. I've been good. How you been? I'm

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Speaker 3: doing okay? You still hitting these haunted hotels? Huh? Oh

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Speaker 3: my gosh. All every year I'm traveling all over the world.

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Speaker 3: So yes, with all your travels, have you ever been

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Speaker 3: scared yourself? You know, I've been startled.

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Speaker 4: There is a video out there where they got me.

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Speaker 4: They caught me scream, you know, because I was startled

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Speaker 4: by something. This was actually a situation where I was

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Speaker 4: investigating a house and it's actually pretty.

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Speaker 3: Well known the Ohio. It's out in Ohio.

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Speaker 4: It's been featured in a bunch of locations and they

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Speaker 4: had set me up alone in a in one of

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Speaker 4: the rooms where physical phenomena has been reported. And it

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Speaker 4: was interesting because I don't usually investigate alone. I'll always

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Speaker 4: have a team with me or at least one other individual,

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Speaker 4: but they like to investigate by themselves. So I was like, okay,

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Speaker 4: as long as there's a camera on me, that can

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Speaker 4: you know, at least witness if I have any experiences.

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Speaker 4: And I was in this room and I was like

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Speaker 4: trying to communicate with whatever was there, and I said,

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Speaker 4: you know, could you give me a sign? And right

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Speaker 4: when I asked that the thermal camera flew off the

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Speaker 4: tripod and yes, I but it was a very manly scream.

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Speaker 3: I will point that out. I love that. How did

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Speaker 3: you get involved in paranormal investigating? I blame my mother.

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Speaker 4: My mom was somebody who loved ghost stories, and so

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Speaker 4: as I grew up, I just listened to all these

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Speaker 4: stories that she would tell me as a little kid,

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Speaker 4: and I just was fascinating with these stories. I wanted

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Speaker 4: to know do people really experience this stuff? And so

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Speaker 4: I just continue to follow through with a lot of

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Speaker 4: these stories and reading every book I could find. You know,

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Speaker 4: in haunted locations, and it was just a situation where

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Speaker 4: I ended up finding myself one of the first paranormal

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Speaker 4: investigators in Washington. This is before you know, ghost hunting

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Speaker 4: even became as popular as it is today.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to have you beat your chest for a moment. Ross.

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Speaker 3: You're one of the best paranormal investigators out there. Oh oh, well,

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Speaker 3: thank you. What makes you that? I know you don't

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Speaker 3: go around bulbshting about it, but you are. What makes

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Speaker 4: I think, for one, it's the honesty. I really want

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Speaker 4: to be honest in my approach and be as transparent

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Speaker 4: as possible. Is if anytime I have something or an

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Speaker 4: experience that I want to put out there to the public,

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Speaker 4: I have to be willing to take the criticism because

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Speaker 4: most people, well everybody else wasn't there when I had

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Speaker 4: this experience. So I have to understand that unless people

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Speaker 4: experience these things for themselves, they probably won't believe what

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Speaker 4: I have to share. So I really try to come

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Speaker 4: up with better ways to share those experiences and bring

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Speaker 4: more science into the field because a lot of people,

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Speaker 4: you know, just because you're run around with the EMF

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Speaker 4: detector does not make you scientific in your approach and

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Speaker 4: ghost hunting. There's more to it than that, and I

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Speaker 4: really am not afraid to reach out to those who

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Speaker 4: and others to get ourselves to a higher level and

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Speaker 4: even challenge ourselves as ghost hunters to figure out what's

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Speaker 3: In your opinion, Ross, what is going on out there?

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Speaker 4: There's something going on out there. I don't have all

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Speaker 4: the answers. And I've been doing this, you know, for

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Speaker 4: going on over thirty years now, and you have those

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Speaker 4: amazing experiences, things that you know, just make you question yourself,

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Speaker 4: make you question the experience as well, and you know,

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Speaker 4: after you've gone through everything and done all your best

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Speaker 4: to even debunk the experience, there's something to this, you know.

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Speaker 4: When I was filming my documentary, we were the first

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Speaker 4: and even emotional for me because you hear about these

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Speaker 4: never have enough data to validate those experiences, and so

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Speaker 3: Well, you're doing a great job getting there. Now, how

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Speaker 3: would you define the paranormal world? What is it?

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Speaker 4: Well, it depends on what elements of the paranormal you're

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Speaker 4: passion has always been ghosts. I dabble a little bit

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Speaker 4: in psychic phenomena as well, but I really do want

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Speaker 4: to stay focused on trying to come up with answers

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Speaker 4: to ghosts. And when it comes to identifying that phenomena,

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Speaker 4: there's so many elements to it, you know, It's not

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Speaker 4: just you know, when you walk into a haunted house

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Speaker 4: And that's the only phenomena we have to focus on.

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Speaker 4: If we had just one phenomena to focus on, we

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Speaker 4: would probably have the answers by now. But there's so

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Speaker 4: much more to this, you know, when it comes to ghosts.

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Speaker 4: There's you know, audio, there's visual, there's physical you know,

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Speaker 4: nightmares and you know issues with the home or the business.

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Speaker 4: And so that's one of the things that makes it

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Speaker 4: I really focus on what can we actually document and

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Speaker 4: and prove rather outside of just some of these you know,

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Speaker 4: and document. So EVPs are a great thing. And for

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Speaker 4: electronic voice phenomen i'm and those are the sounds, the

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Speaker 4: voices that are on our recorders that we can't explain

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Speaker 4: So I think audio visual are two of the biggest

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Speaker 4: is a ghost Because I've always said, you can't even

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Speaker 3: When you go on an investigation ross, what is your goal?

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Speaker 3: What is your mission?

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Speaker 1: Again?

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Speaker 4: Trying to document as much as I can, trying to

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Speaker 4: get that information that will keep everybody else from second

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Speaker 4: guessing what we're doing. You know that that data that

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Speaker 4: and you hope that you will get an answer.

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Speaker 3: And in many cases do you get that answer.

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Speaker 4: I found that throughout the years that I've been investigating

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Speaker 4: the paranormal, that EVP is one of the simplest things

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Speaker 4: communicate to us, because in a lot of cases, when

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Speaker 4: always guaranteed to have, you know, something thrown at you,

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Speaker 4: Most of the cases, it's kind of quiet. As we've

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Speaker 4: learned with ghost hunting, it's all about being at the

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Speaker 4: right place at the right time. But throughout a majority

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Speaker 4: don't have the physical experience on the property at that time,

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Speaker 4: you can walk away with EVPs. So I do find

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Speaker 3: You find ross that most people who go on a

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Speaker 3: as opposed to a friendly.

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Speaker 4: Ghost Sadly, demons have become more popular in mainstream media

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Speaker 4: most clients are terrified living in their homes thinking that

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Speaker 4: it must be a demon, and that's not always the case.

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Speaker 3: And it's not like that.

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Speaker 4: I most shows are focused on demons because it's more entertainment.

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Speaker 4: And then it's it's very unfortunate that that has been

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Speaker 4: a lot of cases, we find that ghost hunting groups

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Speaker 4: that aren't well trained are going into homes convincing clients

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Speaker 4: is terrified. They don't know what to do. This group

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Speaker 4: you know, let's let's let's back up here. Let's you know,

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Speaker 4: see what it is that you're actually experiencing what you claim.

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Speaker 4: Let's forget what they said, and let's you know, start

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Speaker 4: from back at you know, point A before we get

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Speaker 4: that's it's been very frustrating because then you're also in

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Speaker 4: then you may not be the right ghost hunting team

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Speaker 4: for them. You know, they may want somebody out there

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Speaker 4: that's going to help them get rid of their demon.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say it, just it's made things a

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Speaker 4: lot more challenging, definitely in the field of paranormal research.

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Speaker 3: When we were kids, there was a television show called

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Speaker 3: Casper the Friendly Ghost.

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Speaker 4: Remember that, I remember Casper, good old Casper.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Why aren't most ghosts friendly? They seem to be demonic?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think a lot of it is people tend

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Speaker 4: to it. Whenever you have a paranormal experience, a lot

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Speaker 4: of time tis a trigger sphere, and so a lot

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Speaker 4: of times when you have a situation where maybe you

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Speaker 4: a lot of times. Here's a good explanation. I have

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Speaker 4: an amazing EVP. It was featured on you know, Nuke's

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Speaker 4: Top twenty. It was also one Travel Channels Paranormal con

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Speaker 4: on camera. And in this experience, we were in what

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Speaker 4: we were dealing with a situation where one of our

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Speaker 4: investigators had gone on investigation. And when she was on

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Speaker 4: this investigation, it was not with our team. She was

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Speaker 4: at some public event, public investigation, and I think it

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Speaker 4: was that and a Saint asylum, and so it was

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Speaker 4: a big public event and she went there and when

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Speaker 4: she was there, you know, she was one of those

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Speaker 4: investigators that left herself very open and you know, expressed

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Speaker 4: to whatever was there. You know, feel free to hang

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Speaker 4: out with me, and I will comfort you. That type

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Speaker 4: of investigating style a lot of empathy. Empathy is what

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Speaker 4: she was offering to the spirit. And so when she

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Speaker 4: came home and started to do investigations with us, every

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Speaker 4: time she would do an EVP session with us, in

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Speaker 4: playbacker recordings, she would get this screen and it was

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Speaker 4: a very dark and primal scream that that she would

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Speaker 4: get on her recordings, and I was thinking, gosh, you

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Speaker 4: know that's interesting. Let's let's do some experiments to see

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Speaker 4: if we can try to recreate this in a more

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Speaker 4: controlled environment. So we set up this experiment. I had

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Speaker 4: her holder recorder in her hand, open palm uh, so

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Speaker 4: we can improve that she's not you know, tampering with

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Speaker 4: the device. We had a bunch of you know, video

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Speaker 4: recorders on her, and so she went through her EVP session,

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Speaker 4: asking questions, talking to whatever it was that she felt

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Speaker 4: was with her, and then stopped the recording and played

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Speaker 4: it back, and sure enough, there was this you know

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Speaker 4: scream again that we heard. And so I got to thinking,

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Speaker 4: and I realize and everybody wanted to say, oh, this

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Speaker 4: is demonic. You know, you got to get rid of

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Speaker 4: this attachment that she has. And I started thinking, as like,

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Speaker 4: why do we want to assume that it's demonic just

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Speaker 4: because it's screaming. Maybe it's screaming because that's the only

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Speaker 4: way it knows how to communicate. It needs to use

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Speaker 4: all of its force just to try and get that

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Speaker 4: imprint onto her recorder. Nothing physical, you know, harming has

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Speaker 4: happened to her. And it really got me thinking. You know,

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Speaker 4: a lot of times people think, oh, if they see

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Speaker 4: a dark you know, apparition that oh, it must be

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Speaker 4: a demon, you know, just because it's dark in appearance.

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Speaker 4: And I started to you know, I realized that a

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Speaker 4: lot of times people don't understand that when you're dealing

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Speaker 4: with energy, you know, the more amount of energy you

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Speaker 4: add to things, the more you can that energy can

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Speaker 4: express itself. So you know, maybe a dark apparition is

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Speaker 4: just a lower level. It doesn't have enough energy to

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Speaker 4: produce light. And if you can produce light, obviously you

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Speaker 4: can produce color. So I tend to think that a

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Speaker 4: lot of times you just because you see this dark substance, don't,

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Speaker 4: you know, jump the gun and say, oh, this has

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Speaker 4: got to be a demon, because I just think it's

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Speaker 4: just doesn't have enough energy to you know, to produce

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Speaker 4: the light and give you color and better details as

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Speaker 4: to who it is. It just wants to let you

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Speaker 4: know I'm here.

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