1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Hey that folks. It is Tuesday, August twenty six, and 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: all that love God left on that island. As we 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: found out from last night's reunion especial, welcome everybody to 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: this Love Island edition of Amy and TJ rodes highly 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: anticipated reunion show after the biggest season Love Island has 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: ever watched. We couldn't wait to get the updates and 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: see how they're all doing and wan wah wo. 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was awkward. It was. It was hard to 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 2: watch in moments because part of why, Yes, everyone loves 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: the drama, but everyone does love the love and it 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: did feel and it has felt familial, like these folks 12 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: are bonded together through their experience. Yes there are ups 13 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 2: and downs and swaps of boyfriends and girlfriends, but this 14 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: just felt ugly. 15 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: We watched a lot of these I don't general I 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: don't think we watched these reunion shows, all these reality 17 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: shows we don't usually watch and going, oh, it's gonna 18 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: get hot. I actually don't like the drama and the 19 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: yelling and the screaming and the nastiness. I'm not a 20 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: big fan. There wasn't so much necessarily of that last night, 21 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: but we left very recently we have a recent emotional 22 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: connection to these people, and to see in a lot 23 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: of ways it has all broken down after only a 24 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: few months, even weeks. You could argue, yes. 25 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: Because this is oh when they all left, they're hugging 26 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: each other, their family, They're in love, They're gonna vacation together, 27 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 2: their kids are going to grow up together. You know, 28 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: this is what we see happen. It's like summer camp 29 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: on steroids. 30 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: Right. 31 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: But yes, no one was yelling, no one made a 32 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: fool of themselves. But in a way, it's because they're 33 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: all so media trained now. The moment they get off 34 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: that island, they get their phones back, they start seeing 35 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: what people are saying about them. They see who's been 36 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: cast as the villain, who said who? Who said what 37 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: about whom? After the fact, and everything just falls apart, 38 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: like off the rails. 39 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: It does. And these shows and a problem we've had 40 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: with a lot of them that over the year, I mean, 41 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: reality show has been around so long now, and the 42 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: reunion shows and social media that everybody understands that the 43 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: reunion show is your opportunity to right all the wrongs, 44 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: to say your apologies, to rewrite the narrative of what 45 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people have been saying about you online 46 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: that you didn't even know. So you see a lot 47 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: of people, yes on their best behavior, and some of 48 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: that takes away from authenticity, and some of it you 49 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: can feel it feels canned. 50 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: They're on a defense campaign. A lot of them like, well, 51 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: what I meant to say and what I intended to 52 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: do and what I regret and I'm sorry if you 53 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: took it that way. Yeah, there's just a bunch of 54 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: that going on. 55 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know that's one of my least is 56 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: that the worst apology. I'm sorry if you got upset. 57 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: M sorry if somehow that appeared to be offensive. It's 58 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: like they're all, well, politicians and training. 59 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: Okay, And look, well you can understand that to a degree. 60 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: And this is I can't imagine the heat. I can 61 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: only imagine the heat that comes their way after show 62 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: this big and where people are so emotionally invested in 63 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: real people. You know, they are getting some nasty, nasty stuff. 64 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: And look, we can appreciate and understand that. And last night, 65 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: for the most part, people were on their best behavior. 66 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: But the updates we were all waiting on. This isn't 67 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: like a lot of other shows. Isn't this a pretty 68 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: short turnaround in terms of a reunion show. I don't 69 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 1: think about the bachelor brat and all that stuff. They're 70 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: six months. 71 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 2: Out exactly, So this was one month to the date 72 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: of the finale to the date they taped this reunion 73 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: and the reunion special was taped two weeks ago, so 74 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 2: we're six weeks out from the finale. But they taped 75 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: this one month out from the finale, So yes, that 76 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 2: is fairly recently. They only had a couple weeks to 77 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: say crap about one another on podcasts, et cetera. 78 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: And that was a theme last night for sure. But 79 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: to give you the update on the couple you were 80 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: curious about, well, your final four couples. Look, Whoda and Chris. 81 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: We already knew they weren't together. They were a final couple, 82 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: but they weren't even sitting together last night. They'll let 83 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: you know how things went. 84 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,839 Speaker 2: That seems so sad to me. Okay, fine, you can 85 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 2: break up or you can have a difficult breakup on camera, 86 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: but you can't sit next to a person for an 87 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: hour on a television show. 88 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: You ever broken up with anybody, you wouldn't sit next 89 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: to for an hour on a TV show. Probably there 90 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: it is all right. Next, you had Pepe and Iris. 91 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: They were there sitting next together, sitting next to each other, 92 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: looked happy. Amaya and Brian had some smiles. They were 93 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: sitting there laughing next to each other. Nicolo Landria, what 94 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: is it called. 95 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: Nicolandria, Nicolandria, all smiles, sitting next to each other. 96 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: And then Shelley and Ace. They didn't make the final 97 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: four couples, but that was one that a lot of 98 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,239 Speaker 1: people were excited about. They were sitting there, smiling, happy 99 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: and everything. Now, a couple of problems with what we 100 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: saw there just. 101 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 2: Two weeks ago that we just mentioned, all these couples 102 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 2: seemed happy and together, with the exception of Huda and Chris. Well, 103 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 2: now we've learned in just a period of two weeks 104 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: following this finale, Pepe and Iris have unfollowed each other, 105 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: and Amaya and Brian have unfollowed each other, which would 106 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 2: lead most people to believe they have broken up. 107 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: A reminder, Amaya and Brian are your winters, nurse. They 108 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: are the one everybody's We saw them two months ago 109 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,239 Speaker 1: hugging and starting a beautiful life together. 110 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: Now when they been one month ago we saw it right, 111 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 2: or it was like six weeks ago, yeah, and two 112 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: weeks ago. 113 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: They should be very busy having a good time because 114 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: it's a whirlwind after they come back. They're doing promotional appearances, 115 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: making speeches, they're on doing interviews. This should be the 116 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: fun time. 117 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 2: And they're in their honeymoon phase, and it. 118 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: Seems as if things have fallen off the rails. Amaya 119 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: and Brian have unfollowed each other. Pepe and Iris have 120 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: unfollowed each other. Pepe and Iris weren't they made maybe 121 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: the second most part excuse not by the vote, But 122 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm only going by anecdotal evidence. Around me, 123 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: people seem to really be crazy about you. 124 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: You know, you know what they liked about this couple. 125 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 2: And I'm speaking specifically with my daughter and her friends 126 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 2: explaining to me that there was almost no drama with them. 127 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: You didn't hear any of the back and forth. They 128 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 2: just seemed like they were more mature and they perhaps 129 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: maybe had a relationship that seemed based in genuine feelings 130 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: versus the drama and the follows and the look at 131 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: me kind of antics that we saw from other folks. 132 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: Iris seems sweet she did no drama iris. 133 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: No drama, none whatsoever. And that's rare in these shows, 134 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: and honestly, it's it's probably not preferred by the producers. 135 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: So it actually probably takes quite a bit of restraint 136 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,679 Speaker 2: to not get into all of the mess that usually unfolds. 137 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: All right, So let's start there with Maya and Brian, 138 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: which was maybe a pretty significant headline that didn't come 139 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: out of watching the reunion special. It's come out of 140 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: a lot of fans and social media watchers see that 141 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: these two have stopped following each other robes. They were 142 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: following each other online up until a day or two 143 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: before this special actually airs, So in the past forty 144 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: eight hours these two were following each other. They taped 145 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: a special and everything seemed fine. It aired last night 146 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: and they just stopped following each other. 147 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: And on the special last night, they squashed these rumors 148 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: that Brian had cheated on a Maya because there was 149 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: video that surfaced and he was with two of the 150 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: other guys from Chris was among them who were on 151 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: the show with them. They were at some club, was 152 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: it in Baltimore somewhere, and he was pouring drinks bottle 153 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: service drinks into other people's mouths, et cetera. He said 154 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: he did. He APOLOGI women, of course women, he apologized 155 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: for doing that, said it was a lapse in judgment. 156 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: And we heard from Amaya saying, you know, hey, I 157 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: would not I would not be with somebody who disrespected me. 158 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: So we've figured it out between the two of us, 159 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: and we're all good. 160 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: Am I not the only one who noted? And again, 161 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: they moved on from this fairly quickly. And I would say, 162 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: am I the only one that noticed? I just felt 163 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: when it first came up. Amaya's laugh was nervous. It 164 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,119 Speaker 1: was uncomfortable. Yes, maybe just because she knew the question 165 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: was coming, or because she knew something we didn't know 166 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: at the time, but that stood. I didn't know about 167 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: the unfollowing each other before we watched the special. 168 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: Either, did I. 169 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: So I go back and I'm looking at moments that 170 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: jumped out at me, and I go, hmm, maybe it 171 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: was just it was awkward, obviously, but they seemed to 172 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: say they moved past it, and apparently Robes they have not. 173 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: Something happened. We don't know what it was, but who 174 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: knows how much they're reading the reaction to things as 175 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: well as they unfold. So we just as far as 176 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: we understand, the winners and the two people who seemed 177 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 2: madly in love with one another are no longer. 178 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: Pepe and Iris Le's mentioned them as well. They I 179 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: believe they said during the special that they we're exclusive? 180 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: Now did they not? 181 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 2: So here was the one perhaps crack in their foundation 182 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: that was exposed last night. So we heard them say 183 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: yes that they were exclusive, But then we did hear 184 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 2: Iris as the host pushed. Andy Cohen pushed, hey, does 185 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: that mean your boyfriend and girlfriend? And Iris basically said 186 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 2: that's what she wanted, and Pepe said he didn't think 187 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: it was necessary. That's a huge red flag. The guy 188 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 2: you're seeing, who you're exclusive with is not agreeing to 189 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: actually take on the official title of boyfriend because he 190 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 2: doesn't think it's necessary. Iris said she wanted him to 191 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 2: ask her. She was waiting for him. I don't understand 192 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: this is some new gen Z thing where you want 193 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: to be like you know, we've seen this on Love Island, 194 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: and honestly, this is all new for me where they 195 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 2: go through this elaborate thing where they ask you to 196 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: be will you be my girlfriend? It's almost like what 197 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 2: we used to put to a proposal for marriage is 198 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 2: now a proposal to be my girlfriend. You know, I 199 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 2: think it started with promposals. Women are expecting a lot 200 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: of women think that a man should make some grand 201 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: gesture to ask them to proposal, take on a title. 202 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 2: So last night what aired, I saw Pepe squirming away 203 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 2: from that, not wanting to admit or commit to saying yes, 204 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 2: she's my girl. 205 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: If he committed to being committed. 206 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 2: I don't understand the difference between being exclusive and having 207 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: a boyfriend or girlfriend. To me, if we're exclusive, we're 208 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: boyfriend girlfriend, What would be the why would you not 209 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: call that person then your girlfriend if you're exclusive. 210 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: Maybe some people just aren't into labels. Ace seems to be. 211 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: Of course, this was smiling Ace, these two, you know, 212 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: speaking to your point. He did a very elaborate yes 213 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: be my girlfriend thing, But he said last night this 214 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: was a moment that was worth it was a sweeter moment. 215 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: Asked about his girlfriend, Yes, this is your first girlfriend, 216 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: and he said it'll be his last. And they were 217 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: some they were alluding to, suggesting that something big was coming, 218 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: or he had or she even said he likes to 219 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: do things big, and he said something's coming, So they 220 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: alluded to the fact they might be going to the 221 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: next level. 222 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 2: Who knows. But they did look I mean, they weren't 223 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: happy about a lot of other things that were being said, 224 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 2: but in terms of their relationship, they actually did look 225 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: very happy and cute together. Nick and Orlandria did too. Actually, 226 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 2: but they're a little fuzzy. They're not really getting specific 227 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 2: at all about what they are, what their relationship actually is, 228 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: because if obviously, if you're listening to this, you know 229 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 2: the show, Well, they did not start off together. They 230 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: were just friends. They kind of were thrown together after 231 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: being put in a position where neither one of them 232 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: had a mate for different reasons. 233 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: Then they both get kicked out. They got kicked out, 234 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: and then whatever, they changed the rules and let them. 235 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 2: Come back, come back as a couple. Yes, but they 236 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: claim it's not a fake relationship. We just don't know 237 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: how the relationship is defined. 238 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: They are not right. They're not defining it. No boyfriend 239 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: and girlfriend, no exclusive. They just said we are taking 240 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: what the natural course that our relationship or dating would 241 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: have taken. 242 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: I don't even know if it's romantic. I mean, I 243 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 2: think that's a question. Is it just a deep friendship 244 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: that's got some benefits from a social financial professional, or 245 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 2: is it is it or growing relationships? 246 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: And he's trying to give what was the line it 247 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: kind of called my attention. He said, I'm trying to 248 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 1: give her everything that she wants. Or how about the 249 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: experience of they going skydiving and doing things, and. 250 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 2: He again, things that friends do, close friends, deep friends. 251 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: I don't know that we've seen any evidence that it's 252 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: more than that. 253 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: Okay, well, they spend a lot of time answering all 254 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: the doubters like robot over here about their relationship. But 255 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: look from the moment, from the very beginning, they've been 256 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: answering those questions. They look like cool, happy people. If 257 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: it ends up romantic or not, I don't care. 258 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 2: I don't care either if it works for them. They 259 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: look great together. It looks like they're having a blast together. 260 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: I think that's amazing. 261 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: I do want to speak on why this road we yes. 262 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: Ariano Mattos is the host does a great job of 263 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: the episodes that come out. Geez I think does a 264 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: great job. She does what she's supposed to do, but 265 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: so much of it is her. The walk she does 266 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: from the car to the fire pit. 267 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 2: It's the outfit, it's the hair. She knows it, the 268 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: walk is, she knows what her role is and she 269 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: plays it well. 270 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: Last night they brought in Andy Cohen. Can you remind 271 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: me have they done these before? And there's always a 272 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: two host situation. I actually don't know. 273 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't have I watched another reunion. 274 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: This has been I mean, we both watched season six, 275 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 2: but I can't remember the reunion and I don't know 276 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 2: if they have brought in Andy Cohen before. 277 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: Okay, this was a look. They had time to edit 278 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: and put it together. There was I actually did not 279 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: necessarily appreciate or didn't need to see a lot of 280 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: the castle of more people, the people from the. 281 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 2: Extra basically the people who were there to tempt yes 282 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: the other or the islanders. 283 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: It wasn't a whole lot there didn't need that. They 284 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: crowded the couch a little ugly. It just didn't need that. 285 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: It was unnecessary. I was more interested, and that's fine, 286 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: one of those updates, but I didn't necessarily need that. 287 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: And again, it just felt there was a lack of 288 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: flow and chemistry. And I know it probably had. Who knows, 289 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: They probably sat there all day and talked but only 290 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: had to edit it down to two hours, so there 291 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: might have been a lot of jumpy cuts, but something 292 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: about a free, willing, free flowing conversation. It just felt 293 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: very disjointed at times, and it felt like they were 294 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: trying to pull teeth and get something out of them 295 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: at times because they were being so careful. Sometimes they 296 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: would ask a question, well, what did you think about 297 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: that person? When they said you were lazy? I said, 298 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: you know what, I didn't hear it, and I did right. 299 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: They were trying to start fights, if you will, and 300 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: pick them unnaturally. And again, we've watched enough of these 301 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: shows to see them go really well and go off 302 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: the rails, and even when they're yelling at each other, 303 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: it could still be a good, well produced show. But 304 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: this one it would seem I don't know so many people, 305 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: and just the flow wasn't what I've seen. 306 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 2: Before, you know, there were so many awkward silences. We 307 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: actually thought that it was a quick turnaround, that maybe 308 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: they taped it earlier in the day and put it 309 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: out at night because they didn't want any leaks getting out. 310 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: So it was surprising actually to know that they had 311 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 2: two weeks to edit it and that was the best 312 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 2: version they could put out with some of those awkward, 313 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: awkward moments, And yes, those awkward moments are telling, But 314 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: I think the overall theme for me was, yes, there 315 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: were too many people on stage. We know, as folks 316 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: who have hosted live events with a lot of folk, 317 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: the more people you have, the harder it is, the 318 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: more difficult it is to manage and to know who's 319 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: going to speak next and when to fill the It's 320 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 2: so hard. That is such a hard job to do. 321 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: But now you've got all of these people who have 322 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 2: invested interest personal interest in trying to defend their character, 323 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: and so now everyone is on pins and needles. Everyone's 324 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: there in defense mode. No one wants to say the 325 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: wrong thing, and no one wants to make their situation 326 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: worse if they've been vilified or if they have haters. 327 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: You saw real tears, people who had extremely hurt feelings 328 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: and not even necessarily about what went on in the show, 329 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: And that was certainly a part of it. But what 330 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: happened after the show that people were so upset about. 331 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: I mean, there was just a lot of hurt feelings and. 332 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: Folks, I know we've talked a little bit here already, 333 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: and we haven't talked a whole hell of a lot 334 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: about the person being talked about, a whole hell of 335 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: a lot. Houda, who is as we speak, as we 336 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: are recording this the morning after the special airs, she 337 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: is still the number one trending thing on x as 338 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: we speak, So we will speak about her next and 339 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: what was her weird Netflix moment on Peacock? Continuing now, 340 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: the reunion. We finally got the much anticipated reunion to 341 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: see how the Love Island couples that we all just 342 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: fell in love with two months ago, see how they 343 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: were doing. Apparently two months later, a lot of them 344 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: have fallen out out of love already rolled this, I 345 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: was surprised. I watched the special and then saw coverage 346 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: this morning. It's like, wait a minute, those people stop 347 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: following each other. 348 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,479 Speaker 2: I was a little shocked as well, definitely by Irish 349 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: and Pepe. I was really floored by that one. I 350 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 2: was shocked that they're no longer together. 351 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: And I guess it's possible it's part of some promotional 352 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: thing they're doing. Maybe they just wanted to get a 353 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: little attention. Maybe there's a rhyme and reason to why 354 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: they did it, but we all know generally what that 355 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: means when folks stop following each other. Yes, and that 356 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,719 Speaker 1: makes headlines. You don't have to put out a statement 357 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: about your relationship. All you do is unfollow something. I 358 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: don't follow you, now I actually do. 359 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 2: A Wow, you just made that an easy getaway for yourself. 360 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: Cool, But if I start following you, that would raise 361 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: eyebrows as well. 362 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 2: With this, No, I think they'd say it's about time. 363 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: Oh, okay, let's get back to these couples. Uh, Hooda 364 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: and Chris. We know, of course what happened at the 365 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: end of the season. You know, I didn't leave. They 366 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: had that nasty date or whatever at the end, but 367 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: they seemed like they'd be able to walk away and 368 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: say we understand respect, we're not going to be in 369 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: a relationship. But they seemed to leave on good terms. 370 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: Oh the finale, I thought it was phenomenal. Yes, yes, 371 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 2: I thought that what Chris had to say, you know, 372 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: what she had to say to him was actually really 373 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: beautiful and I respected the hell out of both of 374 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: them for being able to stand up and say the 375 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 2: things they did. So yeah, it was disturbing to see 376 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: them not even be able to sit within a few 377 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 2: inches of each other. 378 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: It said a tone. It was a rot row. As 379 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: soon as you saw the image, you didn't even have 380 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: to hear them start talking. But you saw every couple 381 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: at least they had on stage at the moment, sitting 382 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: next to each other. And then there's one couch where 383 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: there's a couple sitting in the middle Hoodahs on one 384 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: side of the couple. Chris is on the other end 385 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: of that couch. 386 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 2: It just even how they were seated, it was awkward, 387 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: like Chris didn't even get his own seat. He was like, 388 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 2: he was like like a third wheel, third wheel on 389 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 2: the couch. But yeah, Chris said that he did not 390 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 2: think that a friendship between them was possible, which was 391 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 2: clearly evidenced by their physical distance. 392 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't that funny. It was. It's one thing 393 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: to say we can't be friends. It was funny to 394 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: me when he was asked, and just how quickly he responded, Look, 395 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: you guys gonna be friends. No, we're not. 396 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not possible. He was not possible. 397 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: Always liked his demeanor. He's always chill, calm, no matter 398 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: what he was saying, and he was kind of that 399 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: again last night. 400 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 2: I like that, Yes, in very much the yend to 401 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 2: Hoodah's yang. The hurricane Huda is how she was referred 402 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 2: to throughout the broadcast. Actually, and certainly that's a moniker 403 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 2: that's stuck with her on social media. But when Andy 404 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: Cohen asked after Chris said now we can't be friends, 405 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: he asked Huda if she was dating anyone, if she 406 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: was seeing anyone, and her response through everyone, including Andy Cohen, 407 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: she said, it's Netflix. I'm not supposed to talk about it, 408 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 2: and Cohen kept following up and eventually he said, tell Netflix, 409 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 2: this was the number one streaming show of the summer. 410 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 2: But it was bizarre, and upon further research, it appears 411 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: that Huda is dating, or at least was seen on 412 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 2: the red carpet with a star of Netflix show Perfect Match. 413 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: So it must be something. I don't even know who 414 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 2: Lewis Russell is, but apparently that's so. She was already 415 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: seen on the red carpet with. So it's not like 416 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: it's some secret or anything. 417 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: And you remind me what Perfect Match is, I actually 418 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: don't know. 419 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 2: It's it's another dating show and we haven't watched it yet, 420 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 2: so I don't know the premise of it. But it 421 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 2: isn't it's it's Netflix's dating She's. 422 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: In the middle of airing now, is it not? 423 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 2: As I believe? 424 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,719 Speaker 1: Okay, so this guy Lewis Russell, whoever he is, and 425 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: you say they showed up on a red carpet together, 426 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,959 Speaker 1: as I suggesting they're dating. They're walking around holding hands 427 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: when I'm not. We're not stupid. We see this happening. 428 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: So it's fine, But you are walking around holding hands 429 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: with somebody, It's fair to assume that you might be 430 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: dating that person. When you hold hands with somebody in 431 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: front of cameras at a movie premiere, you are telling 432 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: people that you're dating this person. Fine, you're asked directly 433 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: that question. This was awkward and unnecessary. 434 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: I can't speak about my relationship outside the villa, says 435 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 2: who is basically what Andy Cohen says, And she said Netflix. 436 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: I was trying to piece together and I don't know 437 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: if he's in the middle of some season on a 438 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: dating show on Netflix and he is walking out now 439 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: revealing essentially that he's not with anybody from the show 440 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: because he's now dating somebody else. 441 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 2: Gone on the red carpet. Yes, that's probably what it is. 442 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 2: But then don't go on a red carpet together. 443 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: Okay, so then I'm confused. But it was a really 444 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: awkward and it put her in a weird position. It 445 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: just came off really, it was really off putting. 446 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 2: Yes, she it didn't make her look good. 447 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just a li It. 448 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 2: Seemed to bitchy, even though if it might not have been, 449 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 2: it might have been perfectly okay for her to but 450 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: maybe she could have she should have been prepared for 451 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 2: the question. Yeah, I would love to tell you all 452 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 2: about them, but that's going to have to come and 453 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 2: do time. Like that's all she you know it could 454 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:05,959 Speaker 2: have been to do. 455 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: So you know, it made it come across like she 456 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: was an opportunist. She'll do what she has to do. 457 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: She'll say what she has today, say anytime she wants, 458 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: but I'll be quiet to make this money. Nobody could 459 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: ever get her to stop talking. That wasn't not to complain, 460 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 1: Hurricane Hudo. Now we ask you one question and nothing, 461 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: So it was a Again, we don't know that backstory, 462 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: We don't know it all, but we just saw what 463 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: we saw in that moment last night, and that moment 464 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: wasn't a good looking one, so maybe there's a I 465 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: don't know how even if she's dating them, how can 466 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: Netflix tell her to shut up unless she has something 467 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: in the works netflick exactly. 468 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I was thinking, that there was 469 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 2: some sort of stake in it for her. The other 470 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: interesting thing, as long as we're on the topic of 471 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: hurricane hood, one of my favorite moments Andy Cohen had, 472 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 2: You know, it's all about the follow up. When you're 473 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 2: a journalist, you can ask the question, but it's your 474 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 2: follow up that usually creates a moment. And they show 475 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: Hohodah's montage of Hurricane hoo to all of her moments 476 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 2: where she lost her cool, called people names, cursed. He asked. 477 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 2: Andy Cohen said, you know, how are you responding to 478 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 2: this now that you see it all collectively in a 479 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 2: montage like that, And she was just saying, I've done 480 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: so much self reflection. I've done so much work on 481 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 2: myself since the villa. And he kind of jumped in 482 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 2: and he said, so you did a month of self 483 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 2: reflection and you're a better person now. That was a 484 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: big singer. She acted as if she had just emerged 485 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: a better, stronger person and it's only been a couple 486 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 2: of weeks. 487 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: I'll give Andy Cohen here credit. And none of these 488 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: points was he being a smart ass. It wasn't as 489 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: if he was attacking her. 490 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: No, yeah, wait, he genuinely was asking you a question. 491 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: So you're but he asked a question that I think 492 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: so often you and I have when we're watching I'm 493 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: sure many of you have when you're watching these reunion 494 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: shows that people come back on them and all of 495 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: a sudden, they're a new person that I have found 496 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: and unfound. God some say they do, but I've done 497 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: a lot of work and self reflection. And that's great, 498 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,959 Speaker 1: and that can happen, but it almost it's said to 499 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: the point that you all, it just goes in one 500 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 1: ear and out the other. When you hear folks come on, 501 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: it seems like this is the line they've been fed. 502 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: This is what you're supposed to say, Show that you're different, 503 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: show that you've come around, and to think that after 504 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: a month, I'm a different person. Look, I'm sure she's 505 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: doing work, but I'm just defending Andy Cohen. He wasn't 506 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: being an answer. 507 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, And if and if that made it 508 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 2: seem like I was saying so no. I think he 509 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 2: asked the follow up that all of us at home 510 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 2: on the couch watching, we're thinking, we wanted to ask it, 511 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 2: and he asked it for us. And look, I do 512 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 2: wonder how many of these people, and I don't know 513 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 2: who to might be very sincere and genuine, and she 514 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 2: might have done a lot of work in these few 515 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 2: weeks and really dug in. But it is one thing. 516 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 2: It is something to see yourself, you know, to see 517 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 2: a video of your worst moments, to see a video 518 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 2: of how badly you've behaved. Maybe you don't even realize 519 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 2: it until you see it and then you I get 520 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 2: that that can be a real thing. But I won't 521 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 2: know how many of these folks come out and get 522 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 2: media trained. They see what people are saying, they get 523 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: someone to help them, and then they know exactly what 524 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: to say and how to say it. And it's not authentic. 525 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 2: So that's the that's the turn off with some of 526 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 2: this stuff. You see people just changing who they are 527 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 2: or being on their best behavior, or monitoring what they 528 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 2: are and acting as if that's a change in them, 529 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 2: a true change them. When truly, they're just presenting a 530 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 2: different side, a curated side of themselves. 531 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: I would love to give them all the benefit of 532 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: the doubt that maybe they are doing something different, doing 533 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: something better. I do, but I will tell you as well. 534 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: And maybe I was duped and silly for it, but 535 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: to actually think these folks had hope, that it was real, 536 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,479 Speaker 1: that there was possibility that they were on their way, 537 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: I actually did. So when you invest in people like that, 538 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm rooting for I mean, you know how 539 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 1: much I like Chris? 540 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Chris was great. 541 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: Always liked him. When you're rooting for people in that way, 542 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: just like Analyst is crazy about Pepe and Iris, right, 543 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: everybody is. You get so attached and you see something 544 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: didn't go right, and we know it possibly can't. But 545 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: when you see it doesn't go right, based on all 546 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: the things you thought would be out of their way happened. 547 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: What do we always say? As soon as I always say, 548 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: so we are if they send us to an island, 549 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: be together, we will live happily forever. What is the problem? 550 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: Right? 551 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: You give these people their phones, all of a sudden, 552 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: the whole world is now impacting your relationship and your 553 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: family unit you had on the island, and sure enough 554 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: it all goes to shit. So this means was it 555 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: not real? Can it not really stand up in the 556 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: real world? That is where Yeah, love Island that special. 557 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: Almost wish I hadn't watched it. 558 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, because self interest ends up ruling, you know, in 559 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: human nature, that is what tends to happen. And if 560 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 2: you don't have this deep rooted relationship that was based 561 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 2: in I mean based in reality. I know that sounds 562 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 2: funny because we're watching a reality show, but oftentimes if 563 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 2: you don't have that foundation, if you don't have that history, 564 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 2: if you don't have that community around you supporting you, 565 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 2: self interest will will shoot up and we'll just torpedo 566 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 2: a relationship. Because if you want to have a relationship, 567 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 2: you have to have the best interest in the person 568 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 2: who you're with, not in yourself, and. 569 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: It's hard to do that in six eight weeks on 570 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: an island. Of course, you just can't, but just see 571 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: it play out, like. 572 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 2: These are new relationships. 573 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: But to see it play out, you could be hopeful. 574 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: But that this is I guess you talked about it. 575 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: Sometimes women get caught up in the fantasy, but this 576 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: is like a reality check for everybody. See what happens, 577 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: See what happens when you fall too fast, too hard, 578 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: when you do this too quickly, when you're in a 579 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 1: rush and you think it's all in your gut. I'm 580 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: gonna be with them forever, and one online video crushes us. 581 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 2: Yeah no, I mean there are the reason why we 582 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 2: like these shows. Yes, they're entertaining, but I really do 583 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 2: we really do learn things about human nature, even a 584 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 2: fledgling relationship, even a relationship starting on TV with just 585 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 2: a few weeks. It's it's you still see human behavior 586 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 2: that is fascinating that we all have within us, that 587 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 2: we can all check in ourselves. So I like these 588 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 2: shows for that reason because Yay, they're fun to watch, 589 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 2: But also I really do try to see things that 590 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: I can recognize in other people that somehow I can say, whoops, 591 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: I do that too. Ooof I've done that before. Wow, 592 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 2: I never want to do that again. Like these are 593 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 2: all cautionary tales in a lot of ways. 594 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: It is. Love Island is a wonderful show that serves 595 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: as a cautionary tale. Maybe it shouldn't be that, Maybe 596 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: we shouldn't hold it up as something to aspire to 597 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: to get to in relationships, but a cautionary. 598 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 2: Tale, something to learn from it. 599 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: We always we did several every single time we did 600 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: say here were the relationship takeaway lessons we saw in 601 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: each one, and here you go. The finale gave us 602 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: one as well, which is love is hard. It really is. 603 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: With that, folks, we always appreciate you hanging with us. 604 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: As always. 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