1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Morning. Everybody is dj n V Charlemagne the guide. We 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: are the breakfast Club. We got a special guest into building. 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: That's right, The CEO or the Anti Defamation League, Jonathan Greenblad. Welcome, 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: good morning, Welcome, Thank you for having me. How are 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: you man, I'm well. How are you guys? Yea blessed 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: black and Holly Favor. They were pretty good. There you go. Well, 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: let's start of what is the CEO of the Anti 8 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: Defamation League? Well, the Anti What do I do? So? 9 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: The Anti Defamation League? Lets just step back. It's the 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: oldest anti hate organization in the United States. It was 11 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: founded in nineteen thirteen after a Jewish man was lynched. 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: He had been falsely accused of a crime, wrongly convicted 13 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: and ultimately of The mob tore him from his jail 14 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: and they hung him from a tree. And while that 15 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: the corps were still hanging from the rope, they all 16 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: gathered around the town. Did they had a barbecue underneath 17 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: the body. They took pictures, and they turned the photographs 18 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: into postcards. Sounds familiar. I was gonna say, like the 19 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: lynchings happened to young black men and the black women 20 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: very frequently in the South. This was the first high 21 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: profile of a Jewish man and a bunch of Jews 22 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: that we got to do something about this, and so 23 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: they founded an organization they called the Anti Defamation League, 24 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: and they wrote a mission statement that was pretty amazing 25 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: because one hundred years ago Jews did not have, you know, 26 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: economic resources to speak of, they did not have much 27 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,639 Speaker 1: social capital. And the mission statement they wrote in nineteen 28 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: thirteen we still use it today, was that the purposes 29 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,639 Speaker 1: to quote, stop the defamation of the Jewish people and 30 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: secure justice and fair treatment to all. Stop the defamation 31 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: of the Jewish people, then not stop the defamation of 32 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: Jewish people and maybe stop it and justice and fair 33 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: treatment to all, which you know, we all talked about 34 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: intersectionality today. We think struggles are connected today. But one 35 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: hundred and ten years ago, when the Jewish community was 36 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: vulnerable and they were weak, and they didn't have any 37 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: kind of power or influence or anything, the idea that 38 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: they would fight for themselves made sense. They did they 39 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: would also fight for others. That was an audacious, outrageous idea, 40 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: but it has animated this organization for well over a century. 41 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: So whether it's you know, this organization made the country 42 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: safer for Jewish people and safer for Black people, safer 43 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: for LGBTQ people, safer for immigrants. You know, my predecessors 44 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: filed the meekest reefs and Brownbey Board of Education put 45 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: people on the freedom on the buses for freedom Summer 46 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: March with Doctor King. Long before I mean today, we 47 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: talked about doctor King. He's a hero and we got 48 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: a holiday. He was a rabble rouser, he was a 49 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: risk taker. And the when when ADL stood with him 50 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties, like it pushed a lot of 51 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: people away, but we thought it was the right thing 52 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: to do. And I'm blessed, like really really blessed to 53 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: stand on that legacy. Now, listen, let's go back to 54 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: nineteen twelve, right, because you know, a Jewish man got lynched, 55 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: but I'm sure plenty of black people got lynched prior 56 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: to that, So you know, why didn't you know, people, 57 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: Jewish people step but prior to say hey man, this 58 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: is wrong that all these black people are getting I'm 59 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,119 Speaker 1: sure Jewish people did, but the Jewish community didn't create 60 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: an organization, you know, like ADL before then. So that 61 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that individuals didn't speak out. There are many 62 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: Jews who revolved in the abolition movement. There are many 63 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: Jews involved, you know, in all aspects of the civil 64 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: rights movement over the decades. Because it makes me think about, 65 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: you know, when you don't how they say, you know, 66 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: this happened to the Jews, and I remained stylent, what 67 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: happened to this group? And I remain stylent. Just happened 68 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: to black people, and I remain styland and then eventually 69 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: they came came for us. That's what it makes me 70 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: think about. It is a lot like that, and you know, 71 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: like look, ADL has not gotten it right every time 72 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: over the last hundred years, that's for sure, but on 73 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: some of the most big and important questions of our time, 74 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: when it really was a risk, I feel proud to 75 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: be part of this organization. And what does the CEO 76 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: of the ad So basically I do three things. Number One, 77 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: we protect the community. We track anti Semitic incidents. We 78 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: helped train law enforcements they understand what hate crimes are 79 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: and how to protect communities black, brown, Jewish, etc. And 80 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: we monitor the extremists. So I got a team of 81 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: analysts who twenty four to seven are tracking right wing extremists. 82 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: White nationalists are militia groups, hardcore a desigonists, radical eco fascists, 83 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: all these kinds of extremists. Like just two weeks ago, 84 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: we had a situation in Penn Station you may have 85 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: seen where the FBI and the NYPD apprehended two men 86 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: with bulletproof vests, guns, knives, swastick arm bands, and rounds 87 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: of ammunition. That was based on a piece of intelligence 88 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: that an analyst sitting at our Center on Extremism provided 89 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: to the FBI. So last year we gave over thirteen 90 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: hundred tips, again like making sure that white supremacists and 91 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: other kind of sovereign citizens and radicals don't commit acts 92 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: of violence. So Number one, we track incidents and I'll 93 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: come back to the incidents. Number two we advocate. So 94 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: the short term it's protecting the community. The medium term 95 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: it's about improving the climate. And we lobby in Washington, 96 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: we lobby state capitals, We litigate right now we're trying 97 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: to bankrupt the Proud Boys and the Oathkeepers, and we 98 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: speak out in the court of public opinion too. So 99 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: advocacy is a big part of what I do. And 100 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: then Thirdly, we educate because you know you can't. You 101 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: sort of can't fight hate in the long run if 102 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: you don't win hearts and minds. You can't arrest your 103 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: way out of hate. You can't litigate your out of hate. 104 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: So we are one of the largest providers in America 105 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: of anti bias anti hate content in schools. We reach 106 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,799 Speaker 1: three and a half to four million kids in schools, 107 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: middle schools, high schools every year. And so what will 108 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: happen is like a black high school player will be 109 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: hazed on a football team, or an effeminate teenager we 110 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: bullied for being gay, or a Jewish student will have 111 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: her a swastika carved inner her locker and a parent 112 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: or a principle or whatever they will bring in ADL 113 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: And our content is about fighting anti black racism, anti Semitism, homophobia, 114 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: all those kinds of things. Let me ask you a question. 115 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: We're talking to Jonathan Greenblaff. Everybody just tuning in. One 116 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: thing that I always have a problem with with with 117 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: any group of people is a lot of times we 118 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: don't have the conversation, so we don't know what hurts right, 119 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: We don't know what's bothersome We doesn't. We don't know 120 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: what to say, what we can't say, what's inappropriate, what's 121 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: defamation and all that. So, um, the first thing I 122 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: just want to talk is what other terms that is? 123 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: Shouldn't we say? Or what are the terms I think 124 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: you're saying what exactly as anti simmatism? No? No, no, yes, 125 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: well that's part of it too. So like you know, 126 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: let's say Kanye says Jewish people have all them. Let's 127 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: not use him, No, no, I would rather use me 128 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: as an example. Okay, Well let's say people say Jewish 129 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: people level all the power, or you know, Jewish people 130 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: run Hollywood or Jewish people run the music industry. These 131 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: are the things that we've been hearing recently. Explain to 132 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: us what those terms mean to you? And is it hurtful? 133 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: Is it painful? Is it not? Is it? You know? Like? 134 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: What is it to you? Like if you ask me, 135 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: you know, the N word, how does that feel? And 136 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: this to any of them? We can define that, but 137 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: how does that feel to you? And what can we say? 138 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: What can't we say? What is foul? What is not foul? 139 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: You know? D I'm really glad you asked the question, 140 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: and like I'm just gonna share. You know, Charlottage and 141 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: I have been talking for years now, and a lot 142 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: of what we do is behind the scenes, and sometimes 143 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: we do call things out, but I believe that you 144 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: call people in before you call him out, absolutely, And 145 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: I don't believe in cancel culture. I believe in council culture. 146 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: So I know by coming on this show, there are 147 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: people in the Jewish community are going to criticize me, 148 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: But I think we've got to engage with each other 149 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: and by learn, yeah, our community are gonna be like, 150 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: why y'all got him on his own? I'm sure, I'm 151 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: sure you're gonna here. There are a lot of people 152 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: who don't like me, people on the far right, people 153 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: on the far left, people in all kinds of communities. 154 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: Because I think, you know, we call it out. Whether 155 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: it's Kanye West or Tucker Carlson, or magor Taylor Green 156 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: or sometimes ilhan Omar, we will call it out. That's 157 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: or SNL or Amazon. We call it out. So that 158 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: being said, what do we call out? So again, our 159 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: core mission, if you will, is protect the Jewish people. 160 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: That's our core purpose. So anti Semitism is the threats, 161 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: So anti Semitism is kind of an irrational let's say, 162 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: hatred of Jewish individuals or institutions because they are Jewish. 163 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: And anti Semitism is interesting if you think about it 164 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: relative to other forms of prejudice, because I think anti 165 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: Semitism it's like a conspiracy theory, like it's about the 166 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: way the world works. So the Jews did this to me. 167 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: The Jews have too much power. The Jews are the communists, 168 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: the Jews are the capitalists. The Jews control Congress. The 169 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: Jews want to kill Christian people, Muslim people, black people, whatever. 170 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: It's this warped kind of idea that shape shifts relative 171 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: to time and place. I mean, it's described as the 172 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: oldest hatred. It's been around thousands of years, you know, 173 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: after the Jews were expelled from Jerusalem by the Romans 174 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: and like, torn from their land, and they lived in 175 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: diaspora as a small community in Europe, in the Middle East, 176 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: in parts of Asia. And these Jews continued speaking Hebrew. 177 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: They didn't assimilate into the mainstream population. They continue their 178 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: own religion. They didn't adopt Christianity or Islam. They continued 179 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: their own dietary rules. They didn't adopt what the mainstream did. 180 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 1: Jews don't believe in conversion or propalyzation, so they stayed small, 181 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: they didn't really grow. So the upshot of that is 182 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: when the Church, like in Europe, needed someone to blame, 183 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: blame the Jews, when the Kings needed someone to blame, 184 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: blame those Jews, when the Caliphate needed someone to blame, 185 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: blame those Jews, because they were always there, they were 186 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: always different, they were always living on the margins. So 187 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: flash forward to today. Anti Semitism shows up in different ways, 188 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: often like characterized by a series of myths or tropes. So, 189 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: for example, the Jews run Hollywood. Look, it is certainly 190 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: true that there are a number of prominent Jewish people 191 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: in Hollywood in the entertainment industry, but they did that 192 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: the Jews run Hollywood. There's nuts, there's no ball of 193 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: Jews who are manipulating things. But the idea that Jews, 194 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: Jews and power shows up over history. Right, many people 195 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: know about something called the Protocols of Zion, which was 196 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: a forgery written Obo one hundred years ago, that there 197 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: was a group of Jews who are trying to run 198 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: the world. Hitler used that to justify, you know, the 199 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: genocide of six million Jews. And so when you say 200 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: Jews run Hollywood, Jews run the music industry, Jews control Congress, 201 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: or sometimes by the way, it's the Jewish people. Sometimes 202 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: it's the Jewish state. Israel controls Congress, Israel, you know, 203 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: the Zionists run the media. It's the same stuff. And 204 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: why is it a problem? Like somebody, I would loved 205 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: if people thought that my community ran Hollywood, but like 206 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: this has led to harassment and violence. So earlier this 207 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: year we have the hostage taken in Collyville, Texas. Do 208 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: you guys, do you jump and remember that January a 209 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: guy from the UK, mentally disturbed of South Asian descent 210 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: Muslim had been radicalized by ISIS propaganda and came to 211 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: the USS. He wanted to free an ISIS terrorist he's 212 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: being held in a prison in Texas and thought the 213 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: way he could free this woman was to go find 214 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: a synagogue because the Jews control Congress. And he took 215 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: four people a rabbi and three people hostage in a 216 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: synagogue in Colleyville, Texas. There was an eleven hours standoff, 217 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: which I know because as soon as I was at home, 218 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: I had been to synagogue in the morning, I was 219 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: at home and I got a call from my head 220 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: of law enforcement who said, sit down. I hope you're 221 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: sitting down. We just got worried about a hostage taking 222 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: at a synagogue outside of Dallas, and we knew we 223 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: got the call because the FBI called us because we 224 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: track extremists, and one of my analysts was on I 225 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: think a signal like in a signal chat that morning 226 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: when someone said turn on the live stream because you 227 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: could see it because the services were being live stream. 228 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: This create person thought somehow that Biden would listen to 229 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: the Jews. Now, as it turns out, after eleven hours, 230 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: the hostage were able to free themselves. The FBI shot 231 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: and killed this man because he came out with his weapon. Um. 232 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: But interestingly enough, the next day, when the rabbi was 233 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: on CBS and they asked him, what would you think, 234 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: the first thing he said was, I just want to 235 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: thank the FBI, law enforcement and the ADL for the 236 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: training that I got that helped save my life. So 237 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: when we talk about what is anti Semitism, it's a 238 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: crazy radical isis radicalized person coming from the UK thinks 239 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: that Jews have too much power. It's two white supremacists 240 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 1: getting off a subway train at Penn station because they've 241 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 1: heard that they wanted to go shoot up a synagogue. 242 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: It's black Hebrew Israelites. This weekend, what today's Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday? Sorry, 243 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: so it is over this past weekend. In Staten Island 244 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: on Sunday, a Jewish man who he must have been 245 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: Orthodox because you could identify that he was Jewish and 246 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: his son were shot by a young man with a 247 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: pellet gun as they came out of and so when 248 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: he was asked by the police, they said it was 249 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: a hate crime, he said, how could I be a 250 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: hate crime if I'm a Hebrew. This is the kind 251 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: of fiction that black Hebrew israel I'd say that white 252 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 1: Jews quote unquote aren't really Jews. So anti Semitism can 253 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: if you will show up as people thinking that white 254 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: Jews aren't Jews, it can show up as white supremacists. 255 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: It can show up as people saying like Kanye by 256 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: the way, kind of got ejected by Elon Muskoff of 257 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: Twitter last week, and Elan says because he put an 258 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: image up of a Jewish Star of David with a 259 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: swastick in it, I could tell you there are rallies 260 00:13:54,240 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: anti Israel rallies every week where they say Zionism is Nazi, 261 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: that Zionists are committing genocide. I've seen that image a 262 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: million times. But these are all manifestations of what I 263 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: will characterize as an irrational hatred of the Jewish people. 264 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: And look, Jewish people are the most victimized religious minority 265 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: in the country. Sixty percent of all the religious based 266 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: hate crimes target Jews, despite the fact that Jews are 267 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: just two percent of the population. There are only seven 268 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: million Jews in a country of three hundred and fifty 269 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: million people, but they're the most targeted, and the anti 270 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: Semitism is up. In two thousand, We've been tracking anti 271 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: Semitic incidents at adl OR forty five years. Twenty twenty 272 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: one was the highest total we've ever seen. It was 273 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: a thirty four percent increase over the year before, two 274 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: seven hundred and seventeen incidents. Now every one of those, 275 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: my staff investigated and verified everything that we report, and 276 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: so that is triple the number of incidents that we 277 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: had in twenty fifteen. So think about that, over three 278 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: percent more. And I mean, if you guys go to 279 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: church or your listens go to church, you can ask yourselves, 280 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: do you have armed guards in front of your church? No, 281 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: we need to though. I felt that way ever since 282 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: the incident happened in my hometown in cho To, South Carolina. 283 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: So we should talk about that, about what ADL's doing 284 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: about that. So let's come back to that. But literally 285 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: every synagogue in the United States has an armed guard 286 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: in it. Every synagogue in the United States knows how 287 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: to do lockdown drills and you know, live shooter drills. 288 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: We are very used to our synagogues being firing ranges, 289 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of fear that comes from the 290 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: what's your name? The term Jews? Right? Is that a 291 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: term that can be said because at one time, at 292 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: one time you couldn't say that. I thought you had 293 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: to say Jewish people. Yeah, you can say jew yeah. 294 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting. Language evolves and changes relative like 295 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: cultural norms. So I think of myself as an American 296 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: Jew because my grandfather, who who was a Holocaust survivor, 297 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: he was a Jew in Germany is the only country 298 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: that he ever knew until one day, and my great 299 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: grandfather fought in the First World War for Germany. The 300 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: only country they ever knew until one day it turned 301 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: on them, destroyed everything they ever loved, made them enemies 302 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: of the state, and pretty much incinerated their whole family 303 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: in Auschwitz. So that German Jew came here. Never would 304 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: have guessed, by the way, that when he was a 305 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: young man that one day his grandsons like me and 306 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,359 Speaker 1: my brother and my cousins would be born in America. 307 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: My grandfather never could to guess that one his twenties. 308 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: Flash forward, my wife is a an Iranian Jew. She 309 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: came here as a political refugee in nineteen eighty eight. 310 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: If you ask my father in law, I mean they're 311 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: very Iranian. They're Persian speak Persian, they Persian food, they 312 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: work with the Persians. It's a whole different Middle very 313 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: deeply Middle Eastern kind of culture. If you had asked 314 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: my father in law when he was a young man, 315 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: he would have guessed, of course, his grandchildren will be 316 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: born in Iran, the only country they ever Knewantal After 317 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: the Islamic Revolution, the Jews became enemies of the state. 318 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: They destroyed everything they ever loved, and they forced again 319 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: my in laws and my sister in law and my 320 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: wife to come here as refugees, which they did, like 321 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: I told you, And so I don't take for granted, 322 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: based on the experience of my Jewish grandfather from Germany 323 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: or my Jewish father in law from Iran, that my 324 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: grandchildren will be born here in America. As a Jew, 325 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: I can't afford that luxury if I want them to 326 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: be born here, and I desperately do. We got to 327 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: fight for what we have, so you can, So you 328 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: can say Jew now. I will also say that a 329 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: lot of when we talk about what language matters, it's 330 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: all about context. So when you know Nick Fuentis, you know, 331 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's dining companion, uses the turn jew, he probably 332 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,479 Speaker 1: doesn't mean it in the way like when I say it. 333 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: And it's like you mentioned the N word before, like 334 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: when a black person says the black person has a 335 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: very different meeting than when Nick Fuentish said dinner with 336 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. So a lot of this is about context. 337 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: If you call me Jewish, that's just fine with me. 338 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: If you say Jonathan's an American Jew, that's just fine 339 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: with me too. So when we go back to the 340 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: anti Semitic conversation, because a lot of the things you 341 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: named the blatant anti semitism. But I got labeled anti 342 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: Semitic because I said, you know, after the Nick Cannan situation, 343 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: this shows that Jewish people have power. And I can't 344 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: wait until black people have power, because we can't even 345 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: get the people who kill us fired in reference to 346 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: the cops who at the time we're still who hadn't 347 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: been charged with killing Brianna Taylor. So why is that 348 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 1: considered anti semitical. That's coming from a place of reverence. Yeah, 349 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: I get that, and so I think that's the that's 350 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: some of the complexity of this. Now. Number one, I 351 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: tell you at ADL, like we are very, very very 352 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: hesitant to call someone anti Semitic unless there is a 353 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: pattern of behavior over time. You might say something that's 354 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: at semitic. You may say something that's offensive intentionally or not, 355 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: but it's up to us to explain why. Like I 356 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: can't assume that you understand my pain. I got to 357 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: explain it. So like I don't know the specifics of 358 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: who said exactly that, but what I would say, no, no, no, 359 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: but who who ascribed that to you and to Charles. 360 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: I don't think that's right. And I think you've shown 361 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: a willingness to engage and to be open. You're showing 362 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: it with me, and I appreciate that vulnerability, and I 363 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: hope I show it with you and with your listeners today. 364 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: Now all that being said, again, the trope of Jews 365 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: and power. Simply when you said I want to have 366 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: that kind of power, you might not mean it in 367 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: some conspiratorial way. That may be how some Jewish people 368 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: heard it, because even a hip hop right, it's always 369 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: been you know, you got to have Jewish people in 370 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: your corner, you know, like you know, remember in a 371 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: good way, in a good way, like you know, it's 372 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: the thing to say, like, you know, I got I 373 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: got some very powerful Jewish people in my corner. I 374 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: don't know if it's we're saying, you know, we're saying 375 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: it because of the stereotype of Jews having power, just 376 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: that they're powerful. It happened to be Jewish. See, this 377 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: is what's tough about it. Context matters, intent matters. You 378 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: can there can be an offense even accidentally, like Kyrie Irving. 379 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: I don't think was trying to be not at all, 380 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: you know, I think it was just ignorant. Now with 381 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: the Kyrie Irving situation, right. You know, Kye Irving got suspended, 382 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: he had there was five things he had to do 383 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: before he was playing basketball again. But I also ask 384 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: about like Amazon for having that film on there. You know, 385 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: I don't feel like Amazon got much of that fire. 386 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,959 Speaker 1: So I'm going to tell you we are working on 387 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: that because you're pointed something now, Djammy, that's incredibly important. 388 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: It's it's not just about what the people say, it's 389 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: what the platform does. It's not just what Chappelle's that's 390 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: what SNL does or NBC does. It's not just about 391 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 1: the what Kyrie tweets, it's about Amazon hosting it. So look, 392 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: we've launched a whole campaign against Amazon. We announced on 393 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: Monday we're working with the German government because Holocaust denialism 394 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: and that movie is offensive in part because it says 395 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: that white Jews invented the Holocaust, that it didn't really happen. 396 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: That's not true. Let's just put that out there. I 397 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: don't think I really shouldn't even need to, but Holocaust 398 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: denialism is illegal in Germany. That movie is available on 399 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: Amazon Germany. So we are now working with the German 400 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: government because Amazon is breaking the law. I also had 401 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: we worked with members of Congress, had about three dozen 402 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 1: members of Congress write a letter to CEO Andy Jassey 403 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: into the chairman Jeff Bezos. We're also worked with all 404 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: these different groups in the Jewish community to write a letter. 405 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: We've sent tens of thousands of emails. So I'm not 406 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: going to let up on Amazon, not at all. And 407 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: I was at a conference last week where Andy Jasson, 408 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: CEO said, you know what, it's a slip we slope 409 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: if we take this down. I don't think so. We're 410 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: at a minimum. Maybe doesn't want to take it down, 411 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: and I think he should. He put it this claimer 412 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: on it to say the kind of things in here 413 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: are not true and here's why they're problematic. And like, look, 414 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: I've talked to Andy, I've talked to their leadership. We 415 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: will help them with that. Again, the goal here's that 416 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: to cancel. It's the counsel. Now. You also didn't mention 417 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle, Right, Yeah, for years, comedians have made jokes 418 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: about everything under the sun. Right, if you watch a 419 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: living color or whatever it may, it could be LGBTQ community, 420 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: it could be black people, it could be white people. 421 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: It's Asian people. When is a joke not funny anymore? 422 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: Where it's a problem because some people find Dave Chappelle's 423 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: jokes funny. I'm sure some Jewish people find blaste jokes. Yeah. 424 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: The criticism was he normalized anti sematism. As a person 425 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: who doesn't always know what is considered anti semitic, I 426 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: didn't know what he normalized. So let's talk about that. 427 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: So first of all, I would say that I give 428 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: always as a head of ADL, a very wide birth 429 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: when it comes to comedy. I mean, and Dave Chappelle 430 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: is an equal opportunity offender right, white people, trance people, 431 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: black people, as Jewish people. So there's a lot of 432 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: people Asian people for sure, and so is SNL. Like guess, 433 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: I was making fun of people all the time, white people, 434 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: Jewish people, black people, and I pretty much don't say boo. 435 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: But what was problematic about what he said are a 436 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: few things. So number one, keep in mind, as you 437 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: probably know because it's been reported, he did a different 438 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: monologue in the rehearsal. I don't know if you know 439 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: that or not. He didn't do that, So right there, 440 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: that's a little bit of a tell because that's that's 441 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: not what you are supposed to do. That's not why 442 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: Lauren Michaels does the rehearsal, supposed to test it out. 443 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: And I think he knew that it was going to 444 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: be too hot or too controversial and they might tell 445 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: him not to do it, so right there, number one, 446 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: number two, Look, he literally said the problem wasn't what 447 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: Kanye said. It said. He said it out loud, that's 448 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: what he said. And on the heels of the stuff 449 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: that Kanye was doing, and on the heels of all 450 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: the kind of animus around the Kyrie thing when he 451 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: said that, you know, sometimes you don't know in comedy 452 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: whether it's going to be a whether it's a punch 453 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: or a punch line. This just felt like a punch. 454 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: He did that thing where he pulled out the piece 455 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: of paper and read it at the beginning. Y'all saw 456 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: the monopology. Yeah, that he denounced his anti symatism, and 457 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: he said it in a flat like, you know, in 458 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 1: a flat monotone, and he said, that's how you buy 459 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: yourself some time. So that was kind of funny, but 460 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: it wasn't when again, it felt less like a punch 461 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: line and more like a punch. So by saying the 462 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: problem was what Kanye said, just that he said it 463 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: out loud. That hit home again. The fact that there 464 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: are some Jewish people who are Hollywood executives doesn't mean 465 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: the Jews run Hollywood, and this myth of power has 466 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: led to deep problems for Jews. But there was something 467 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: else that he said that also really I thought about 468 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: our conversations that really hit me. When He's based said, look, 469 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, Jewish people have suffered, and he acknowledged that 470 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: towards the end, but he said, don't blame black people 471 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: for your trauma. He said a kind of like that. 472 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, like no one was doing that. I mean, 473 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: I've gone after Tucker Carlson, Marjore Taylor Green, Donald Trump, 474 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: plenty of other people on the right who are white. 475 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: I've gone after plenty of people on the left who 476 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: are white. I've gone after I shouldn't say gone after 477 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: even but called out people like hannahs Owens and people 478 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: like Kanye and people like and others. I mean to 479 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: say that we're blaming black people for the trauma really 480 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: really hurt because I think it was really really wrong. Yeah, 481 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: I think I think sometimes people feel like a regard 482 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: of the anti semitism, black people get labeled but then 483 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: suffer more consequences for it than other groups. You know 484 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: what I mean. Nothing seems to happen to Donald Trump, 485 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: nothing seems to happen to Tucker Carlson. But other black 486 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: people that get label to anti Semitic, they lose thing, 487 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: lose everything. I hear you. I mean, I think about 488 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: Myers Leonard last year or two years ago. Myers Leonard, 489 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, he was a forward for the Heat who 490 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: was caught. He was streaming on Steam playing like I 491 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: can't remember what game he was playing, and he used 492 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: a real pretty offensive term towards juice, which she was shooting. 493 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: Thinks I think it was like, yeah, like um call 494 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: of dude or something. Yeah, and uh, we called him out. 495 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: The Heat dropped him. Hasn't picked up by another team, right, 496 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: so he pretty much got canceled by the way we've 497 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: worked with Myers over the years. We worked them right away. 498 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: After that, he's done some good stuff with us, calling 499 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: out hate on video games. Since then, is he black white? Okay, 500 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: he lost whole career, But let me ask you, when 501 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: somebody does something like that and says something wrong and 502 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: disrespectful and he loses everything. That's kind of like cancel 503 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: cold it is, which is why like we called him 504 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: out when he said it, because it doesn't give you 505 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: a chance to apologize and to make good of what 506 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: you've done. And what's life and Chris dunk Man and 507 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: what's really a shame about? He's a good guy. He's 508 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: a young guy who's tried really hard. And I look, 509 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to speak to his talent on the court, 510 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: like I don't know what the Heat front office thinks 511 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: or the other teams by the way, but it's sad 512 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: that he hasn't landed somewhere as far as I know. Again, 513 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: we've worked with him. I think he's a genuine good guy. 514 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: But sometimes people do get canceled and I don't I 515 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: don't think it's right. Do you have a look at 516 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: that and say, damn we did that, Like we took 517 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: this career, We took us Like even though it's something 518 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: that he said, well, I was gonna get to that 519 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: because me and you had a conversation one time, Jonathan 520 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: about um Kyrie and it was after the list of 521 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: demands came up. What y'all what you said, y'all didn't 522 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: have anything to do and nothing to do it. And 523 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: one thing you said in that conversation was you were 524 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: going to call the next and tell them that they 525 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: should let Kyrie back place, which I did. So, like, 526 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: so jump into Kyrie for a second. I mean, I'll 527 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: just say the answer your thing. But like, I think 528 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: a lot about the fact that ad else a deeply 529 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: respected organization. So when we say something, it has a 530 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: kind of resides, and I take that responsibility really seriously. 531 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: I do not do things lightly. I do not do 532 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: things flippantly. And again, I try to call people in 533 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: before we call him out now when there's something really 534 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: public like what Myers did, Like that's just objectively wrong. 535 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: But I'm proud of the fact that we've worked with 536 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: him since then, featured him in programs, tried to lift 537 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: him up now as so that's what we've tried to do. 538 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: Because I do think a lot about what you said, 539 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: you jan Van, it's real now you were asking me 540 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: about just now. I'm sorry I lost my Kyrie were 541 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: talking about it. Yeah, So like again, I think when 542 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: I saw that movie, you know, Kyrie is not Myers. 543 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: Leonard Harry's one of the most well known players in 544 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: the game. My boys have his jersey they wear are 545 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: the Nikes. So he is like a cultural phenomenon. So 546 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: when he did this and then didn't seem to show 547 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: any contrition or any interest in any contrition right away, 548 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: that's problematic. But we work with the NETS and his 549 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: family and the Players Association and the league and his 550 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: friends to try to work this out. And then after 551 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: he said he had another pretty terrible press conference and 552 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: the NETS suspended him. They said, they said this is 553 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,719 Speaker 1: what I got a call from then and said this 554 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: is what we're gon. We're gonna have him do a 555 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: bunch of things. Would you be willing to meet with him? 556 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: I said, of course I will, And I've said that, 557 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: by the way, since the very beginning, I still haven't 558 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: met with him, spoken to his dad. I've spoken to 559 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: his stepmom, who's his agent. I've spoken to his friends. 560 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: I haven't talked to him. But I would talk to 561 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: him today if he wanted to have that conversation, because 562 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: I think he has since the whole kind of Tobaccle 563 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: demonstrated again and again that he's really sincere. And when 564 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: Josi and Adam Silver say we met with him, and 565 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: the man has never expressed an anti Semitic thought, and 566 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: he really wants to learn, like I want to help 567 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: him learn. Is anybody that you wouldn't speak to well, 568 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: Mel Gibson and I aren't I actually going to have 569 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: you know, coffee at any anytime soon. I mean, I 570 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: think people who are unrepentant, people who show no willingness 571 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: in a genuine way, that's a bridge that I won't 572 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: necessarily cross. Now, did you see the article in tablet 573 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: what they say when it comes to Jewish people, to 574 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: ADL does more harmed than good? What do you think 575 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: of it? There are people in the Jewish community, like, 576 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,719 Speaker 1: here's the ugly truth. There are people in the Jewish community, 577 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: particularly those who I would characterize on the far right, 578 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: who think ADL is too liberal. And then there are 579 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: people in the Jewish community what I'll call on the 580 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: far left, who think we're too conservative. I get accused 581 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: of being an apologist for Donald Trump, and I get 582 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: accused of being like obsessed with Donald Trump. I just 583 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: like I've come to expect that. And so you know, 584 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: when you call people out and you do it consistently 585 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: and clearly, and you take no prisoners, but you do 586 00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: it in a way which is about how do we 587 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: move forward? People are going to hate, hate on you, 588 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: and like, I just think that's part of the job. 589 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: If I listen to my critics, Charlomagne, like, I wouldn't 590 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: get out of bed in the morning. Yeah, he said, 591 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: he said that eighty l A is a partisan at 592 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: tech machine, fueled by corporate cash and oblivious to any 593 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: real suffering of that's Jewish people. That's great. I mean, look, 594 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: tell that. Tell that to the rabbi and Collie Belle, 595 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: Texas who credits us with helping save his life. Tell 596 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: that to the millions of kids who we educate every year. 597 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: Tell that to the thousands of people who we help 598 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: after they've been victimized. I mean, I think that's bologny. 599 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: But you know, although I'm going to be honest with you, 600 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: like I'm accustomed to getting criticized, I take all the 601 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: criticism seriously. I think very hard, because like I don't 602 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: want to be on the right or the left. I 603 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: just want to do what's right, not wrong. So I 604 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: don't let these people distract me. I don't let them 605 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: daunt me. Like I said, never get out of bed 606 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: in the morning. But I always think there's room for improvement, 607 00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: and I'm always trying to listen to people that I 608 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: don't agree with so I can hear where they're coming from. 609 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: What is your thoughts on private conversation? Sometimes right every 610 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: household to somebody's that's listening right now, said something foul 611 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: or racist, or something that they considered a joke might 612 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: not have been funny, but he stayed in their household, right, Yeah, sure, 613 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: But sometimes those household situations get leaked and people lose 614 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: everything over a household situation, especially over something that I 615 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: know most of the people listening has said something or 616 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: something funny that they thought was funny that might not 617 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: have been funny. What is your thoughts on that? Because 618 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: it's nothing that necessarily wanted to say that they wanted 619 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: to get out, but it's something that could have been 620 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: taken out of hand. I think there was you have 621 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: a specific like example in mind. It was one situation. 622 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: I can't remember what it was because so don't quote me. 623 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: I'll remember he was walking into his house and it 624 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: was on a neighbor's ring camera and it was released 625 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: and he just got everything he got was was taken 626 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: from him. But the individual I believe at the time 627 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: was doing things for different communities, but he just said something, 628 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: what is your thoughts on things like that? Because I 629 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: still cancel culture. I mean, yeah, that's look like I 630 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: said before, I think you can offend people even if 631 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: you don't intend to. But that's why you got to counsel, 632 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: not counsel. That's why you got to bring people in 633 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: rather than push them away. So there's been a lot 634 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: of examples of this cancel culture where professors or business 635 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: people have lost everything because they made a comment or 636 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: they got maybe did something wrong, like legitimately wrong. But 637 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: I just think, you know, in the Jewish tradition, we 638 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: have this concept called tshuva, which is about repents and 639 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: acknowledges the fact that, I mean, we're human, like we 640 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: may be made in the image of God, but we're 641 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: not God, and so all of us sin, all of 642 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: us air, and Tshuva means we can all repent for 643 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: what we get wrong. So that's pretty much wrong. Again. 644 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: There are those you ask me, who would I not 645 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: talk to? There are the unrepentant, unwilling people, and I 646 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: don't want to deal with them. I just don't. But 647 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: that is a very small fraction that I have a conversation. 648 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: I was asked what I meet with him, and I 649 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: answered my answer was yes, even now, yeah, Admitaly, that 650 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: was before and before Alex Jones, Like he seems unwilling 651 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: or uninterested in any kind of real sincere conversation. And 652 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 1: by the way, you ask about private conversations like I've 653 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: seen him post these text messages with his friends, right, 654 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: So that's kind of hard for me to reckon with. 655 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 1: And so I think you look, I will say that 656 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: I typically approach people like it with the benefit of 657 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: the doubt. I assume people have good intention, not ill intention. 658 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: So it's hard to go talk to somebody like that 659 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: when you know he has a pattern of behavior that 660 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: demonstrates ill intention. What about Elon Musk, Like you know 661 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: now that he says that his own Twitter is saying 662 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: that hate speeches shot up, you know it has per 663 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 1: sence against Jewish people, sixty against African American people. Does 664 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: the ADL attack those him and his organization and things 665 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: like that, and how successful all you as we're doing it? 666 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: Elon Musk? So let's step back, So I would tell 667 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: you that we've been fighting hate for again over almost 668 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: one hundred and ten years. Facebook is the front line 669 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: of fighting hate today and social media is a super 670 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 1: spreader of anti black racism, anti Jewish hate, anti Asian hate, etc. 671 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: So literally, we opened a center in Silicon Valley back 672 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, and the woman who runs it, she's 673 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 1: next Facebook executive. I have software engineers and data scientists 674 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: working at ADL. We're monitoring all this stuff, and we're 675 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: working with all the platforms, by the way, Google and 676 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: YouTube and Meta and Twitter and Reddit and Steam and Amazon, 677 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 1: all these companies from like Apple to Zoom. We work 678 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 1: with all of them. Okay, that's relevant because we've been 679 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: working with Twitter now for since it was founded. We 680 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: worked with the old regime, working with the new regime. 681 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: I wasn't a big fan of the management at old Twitter. 682 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: Like old Twitter has been like a hellscape for a 683 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: long yeah okay, yeah, like. And we work with his 684 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,439 Speaker 1: staff on a almost a daily basis, certainly a weekly basis, 685 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: and oftentimes there are a lot of issues. Now Elon 686 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: I think, I think Elon is somebody who wants to 687 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 1: do the right thing because he wants to make the 688 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: business work and if it remains a healthscape. The advertisers 689 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: won't take part in it. They don't want their brands. 690 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: I mean, brand safety is linked to user safety, right, 691 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: so they don't want you know, Procter and Gamble and McDonald's, 692 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: and they don't want their brands up against like white 693 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: supremacist hate speech. Now, all that being said, so I 694 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: have been critical of some of the things that Elon 695 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: has done, and at the same time, like I'm talking 696 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: to Elon and we're trying to work with them. I 697 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: think I want him to look I want him to 698 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: get it right because whether we like it or not, 699 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: Twitter is the public square. That might change at some 700 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,280 Speaker 1: point in time, but the public square cannot be again 701 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 1: a firing range where Jews and other minorities are targeted 702 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: and victimized. To your question, DJV, we have seen in 703 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: the past few weeks anti Semitic hate speech has gone up, 704 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,879 Speaker 1: the number of takedowns has decreased as a percentage. We've 705 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: seen some really awful people get back on the platform, 706 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: like neo Nazis and such. I'm hoping Twitter will take 707 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: them down. We're you know, we're working with them to 708 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: try to get to that outcome. And I hope that 709 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: Elon will get it und It was a difference between 710 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: free speech and openly inciting hate and violence, well a lot, 711 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,280 Speaker 1: I mean incitement and threat. I mean freedom of speech 712 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: isn't the freedom to slander people? Right? And if you 713 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: keep saying free speech, free speech, but all I see is, 714 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 1: you know, it seems like hate speech. I mean, I 715 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: think I think there's a lot of room for improvement. 716 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,760 Speaker 1: And even if hate speech is part of free speech 717 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: to a degree, like you make decisions right every day, 718 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: who you bring on this show, you do. You make 719 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 1: a decision, and you do that because you respect your audience. 720 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: You've got an integrity to this program, right, and you 721 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 1: don't want to give a platform to some of the 722 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: worst elements. Like Twitter can do a much better job 723 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: make sure it doesn't platform the worst elements, because I 724 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: don't think we should confuse freedom of expression with the 725 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: freedom to incite violence against again black people, Jewish people, 726 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: or any other money is anti hate, but it often 727 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: feels like the ADL seems to have it doesn't have 728 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: the same passion for anti blackness as it does anti semitism. 729 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: That's a fair question. I mean, we were created after 730 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: this lynching to protect Jewish people. That's why we exist. 731 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: And so at a time when anti Semitism has reached 732 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: literally an all time high, it's fair we're putting a 733 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: lot of resources on that. We put a lot of 734 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 1: resources and fighting extremists, rightly extremists who want to kill 735 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: black people in Jewish people. And this is something I 736 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,439 Speaker 1: think we should talk about because these right wing extremists, 737 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 1: they're the ones who are rejoicing while they perceive Black 738 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: and Jewish people are fighting. They're the ones who want 739 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: to see Kanye in the adl or Charlemagne and who 740 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: am ever going at it? Because they deeply, passionately hate 741 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: both of us. So we have I think there's a 742 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,240 Speaker 1: lot of shared values between the Black and Jewish community, 743 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 1: and by the way, just shared people. There are plenty 744 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: of Jews of color. They're plenty of African American Jews 745 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 1: that I know. But in addition, I think we have 746 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: shared values and unfortunately we have common enemies. But let's 747 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: let's come back to what you asked about. We do 748 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: a lot with groups like the NAACP, the Legal Defense Fund, 749 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 1: the Urban League, Color of Change Lawyer's Committee, at the 750 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: national level. At the local we have twenty five offices 751 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: across the country and all my offices. We're working with 752 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: black let organizations to fight anti black racism, to be 753 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: a part of legislation, to be a part of initiatives. 754 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: And when we launched our campaign against Facebook a few 755 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: years ago, stop paid for Profit. I did it with 756 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: Derek Johnson, the CEO the NAACP, and Rashad Robinson from 757 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 1: Color a Change. But let's come back to on the 758 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: situe if are we doing enough finanti blackness? And what's 759 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: your expertise and how are you helping our community? As 760 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: you said before Charlemagne, you would like to see arm 761 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 1: guards and black churches. And that's actually not a crazy idea, 762 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: I don't think so, not in is a day and age. 763 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: I feel like that about schools do. And we saw 764 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 1: the shooting in Charleston, like you mentioned twenty fifteen, we 765 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: had a shooting in Buffalo this year at the Top Supermarket. 766 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: We've had arson attacks against the black churches. Really this 767 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: year we had bomb threats phoned into HBCUs. So this 768 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: past September is only a couple months ago. The ADL 769 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: and the Urban League launched a new effort called the 770 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: Solidarity and Safety Coalition, and we included that like the 771 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: Nationalciation of Baptists and a bunch and the United Grow 772 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: College funded a bunch of other groups. ADL is going 773 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: to share what we've learned about monitoring extremists and protecting 774 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 1: houses of worship and faith based institutions and kind of 775 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: other important kind of anti civic entities with the Black community, 776 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: the Asian community, LGBTQ community. We're going to share what 777 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: we've learned. We can do more to fight anti black 778 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 1: racism and hate, and this is one very direct way 779 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: we can do that. I want to go back to 780 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: something you just said. You said, you know, you acknowledge 781 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: there are black Jews, there are African American Some people 782 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: think saying that that they're labeled anti Semitic. What are 783 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: the difference between saying, hey, which is a fact there 784 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: are black Jews and what y'all consider anti semitic in 785 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,840 Speaker 1: that commisation. I don't know anyone could. I mean, the 786 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,839 Speaker 1: fact they are black Jews is just a statement of truth, 787 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: and I yea, I think that's anti semitic. I mean, 788 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,759 Speaker 1: I think let's also acknowledge that judy is a wide spectrum, right, 789 00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 1: So you have orthodox Jews who speak Yiddish, who eat 790 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,839 Speaker 1: strict Kosher and observe the way they do. And then 791 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: you have very reform Jews who like me like I'm 792 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: not I mean, I'm conservative Jewish. Actually I have a 793 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: Kosher home, I go to synagogue on Saturday mornings. I 794 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 1: observe all the holidays, but I don't wear a keepoe 795 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: for example. And then there are other Jews who say 796 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 1: I would never set foot in a synagogue, but they 797 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,800 Speaker 1: feel culturally Jewish, they identify as Jewish because it's also 798 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 1: it's complicated. It's a religion, it's an ethnicity, it's a culture. 799 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,800 Speaker 1: It's just not something you can just say is about, 800 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 1: you know, like showing up on a Saturday morning. So 801 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 1: with all that said, there's a range of practice and observance. 802 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 1: So there are plenty of black Jews who go to 803 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: what you might call traditional Jewish synagogue. Then there are 804 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: other communities like the Black Hebrew Israelites. Now there's a 805 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,799 Speaker 1: range of practice even among Black Heber Israelites. You know, 806 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: it's a large community of them in Israel who identifies 807 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,319 Speaker 1: Jewish in a traditional way. And then you have the 808 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 1: guys in Times Square who observe in a way that's 809 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 1: not so traditional. I would say they would they would say, 810 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: y'all aren't Jews. They would say that. Would you say 811 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,399 Speaker 1: white people are not the original Jews? Basically correct? And look, 812 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 1: they're entitled to their beliefs until that justifies shooting Jewish 813 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,799 Speaker 1: people with pelicans on Staten Island or like this is 814 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: December three years ago, December twenty nineteen, two black Hebrew 815 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: Israelites went into a Kosher supermarket in Jersey City and 816 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:28,320 Speaker 1: killed three people because they said they weren't real Jews. Wow, 817 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: shot them cold dead in a Kosher supermarket. So again, 818 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 1: I don't you're entitled to believe whatever you want. I 819 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,920 Speaker 1: think we need to recognize that rhetoric can have real 820 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 1: world consequences. Can we talk about Hollywood again, because it 821 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: is true that Jewish people founded Hollywood, But there's a 822 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: reason they did. Some Jewish individuals like called the Jewish 823 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 1: entrepreneurs who couldn't get Look at the turn of the century, 824 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: Jews couldn't get hired at law firms. Businesses wouldn't hire Jews. 825 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 1: Jews couldn't buy homes in many places. You know the 826 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,719 Speaker 1: reason why if so many of these medical institutions like 827 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: Mount Sinai or whatnot is Jewish people founded them because 828 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 1: Jewish people couldn't get treated. Medical institutions or hospitals wouldn't 829 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: treat Jews. So Jewish people had to create their own entities, 830 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 1: their own subculture. Again, there's a lot of commonalities with 831 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: a black experience in this country in this regard. And 832 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,240 Speaker 1: so when they couldn't get jobs, you know, entrepreneurial Jews 833 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,399 Speaker 1: went to the West coast to build out this new 834 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: industry that now we call Hollywood, the entertainment industry, the 835 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,880 Speaker 1: motion picture industry, and so as an industry they helped 836 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 1: to some Jewish people helped to create it. They had 837 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,799 Speaker 1: some success with it. But at the risk of stating 838 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 1: in the obvious, there are ten zillion people in that 839 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 1: industry who are not Jewish. I mean, the vast majority 840 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 1: are not Jewish, but they have had some great success there. 841 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: Where does I only got a few more questions, where 842 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,719 Speaker 1: does the stereotype that Jewish people control media? Where did 843 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,600 Speaker 1: that come from? It comes from these old tropes about 844 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,360 Speaker 1: Jews and power. I could show you white supremacist literature 845 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: that's like ten twenty thirty forty years older from today 846 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,720 Speaker 1: that says Jews control the media? Are there some Jewish 847 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 1: media executives? Sure there are. Do Jews control the media? 848 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 1: Not as far as I know. If they did, I 849 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,720 Speaker 1: think I get much better coverage, you know, I mean really, 850 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: I mean there is no cabal of Jews in an 851 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 1: organized way. I mean Jews can't even we can't hard 852 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,280 Speaker 1: to run our own synagogues. I mean there's no cabal 853 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,399 Speaker 1: of Jews running anything. Now, there may be Jewish people 854 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: who have had some success, but Jews don't run Hollywood 855 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:35,080 Speaker 1: anymore than like black It's say Jews run Hollywood is 856 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,360 Speaker 1: like making some stereotype or some generalization about black people 857 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,319 Speaker 1: in sports, or you know, Latino people and something or other. 858 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,239 Speaker 1: I don't even know. It's just it's not right, and 859 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 1: it may sound like a compliment. But the reality is 860 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 1: when you see Jewish people being taken hostage, Jewish people 861 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,760 Speaker 1: being shot and killed, it doesn't feel like such a compliment. 862 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,279 Speaker 1: What do you say to people who say that, you know, 863 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: y'all are proving somebody like Kanye right as Kanye says, hey, 864 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:08,279 Speaker 1: Jewish people have all the power, and then he loses everything. Well, look, 865 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:13,600 Speaker 1: the insidious, the insidious nature of anti Semitism and these 866 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,319 Speaker 1: chopes about power is Kanye can say these things. Jews 867 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,880 Speaker 1: have all the powers controlling everything. And if we don't 868 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,359 Speaker 1: get him, you know, if we don't deal with that, 869 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,719 Speaker 1: the myth spreads and it takes root. If we do 870 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: address that, and there are consequences, proves my point. So 871 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of a damned if you do, damned if 872 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,360 Speaker 1: you don't scenario, and we're kind of stuck. We can't 873 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 1: ignore it because it has again consequences and if it 874 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,880 Speaker 1: gets addressed, he says, c proves my point. But I mean, 875 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,239 Speaker 1: that's just the insidious and ugly nature of anti Semitists. 876 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 1: How does the ADEO handle anti black racism from Jewish people? 877 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,640 Speaker 1: For example, if somebody in Brooklyn calls you and says, hey, 878 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,360 Speaker 1: I'm being discriminated against by my landlord, and the landlord 879 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 1: happens to be Jewish, how did the ADL handle it? Well, Look, 880 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,760 Speaker 1: I mean we addressed it head on. I think about 881 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,160 Speaker 1: a situation in Boston a couple of years ago. We're 882 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 1: two young black girls had their hair in cornrows at 883 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,920 Speaker 1: a private school. In the private school, sched you're in 884 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 1: violation of our dress code and expelled, suspended them, expelled them. 885 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 1: So those young black girls, their mom or one of 886 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,120 Speaker 1: the moms called the local ADL office. So what do 887 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,160 Speaker 1: we do. We brought in the NAACP Legal Defense Fund 888 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,320 Speaker 1: and together we took on that school. We filed a 889 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 1: lawsuit and we won. I was gonna ask, you know, 890 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,040 Speaker 1: at one time, especially in Brooklyn, there was a lot 891 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,640 Speaker 1: of tension between Jewish people and black people, definitely a 892 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,960 Speaker 1: city Jews at that I believe, how have you guys 893 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,520 Speaker 1: calmed that down and created some type of piece in 894 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,120 Speaker 1: it because I don't hear about it like I used 895 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 1: to when I was a kid. I think there's still 896 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,160 Speaker 1: a lot of tensions there, to be honest, teach Envy. 897 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: I mean the issues in Crown Heights. I think that's 898 00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,080 Speaker 1: kind of what you're referring to. I mean that way 899 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 1: proceeds my time at ADL. I didn't even live in 900 00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:01,239 Speaker 1: New York. It was I think maybe twenty thirty years ago. 901 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,560 Speaker 1: But there's still a lot of tensions and that often happens, 902 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 1: you know. I mean Van Jones has talked about this. 903 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,080 Speaker 1: I've heard him talk about this a lot of times. 904 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,719 Speaker 1: There's fighting and there's friction because we're together, and that's 905 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,759 Speaker 1: what happens. We have communities living in close quarters. That 906 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,880 Speaker 1: being said, you know, one of the things that I 907 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,359 Speaker 1: want to do, and that the NETS announced was we're 908 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,719 Speaker 1: going to create community conversations coming off the Kyrie thing. 909 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,239 Speaker 1: So the NETS are going to sponsor We're going to 910 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: start in Brooklyn and bring together young Black boys and 911 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 1: girls and young Jewish boys and girls and get them 912 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,759 Speaker 1: talking to each other. I think so often our communities 913 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:45,120 Speaker 1: don't interact, don't engage, don't hear one another, you know, 914 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,439 Speaker 1: and I think we can improve upon that. So these 915 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,560 Speaker 1: community conversations that we do, I'm hoping we're going to 916 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,960 Speaker 1: start in Brooklyn and then we'll expand other cities. Like 917 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:58,240 Speaker 1: there's so again, our communities have such a deep history. 918 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,760 Speaker 1: I am proudable similarity. We do differences, way more similarities. 919 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,839 Speaker 1: And there are those people who want to divide us. 920 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,399 Speaker 1: There are those people and to tear us apart. There 921 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,920 Speaker 1: are those people who want to instrumentalize Black people against Jews, 922 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:19,080 Speaker 1: Jews against black people, Like we cannot allow that to happen. Again, 923 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,600 Speaker 1: we have shared values and we've got common enemies. But 924 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,160 Speaker 1: more than that, I think we have a legacy. Now, look, 925 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,120 Speaker 1: Jews didn't come to this country on the wholes of 926 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,880 Speaker 1: slave ships. Jews don't have the history of three hundred 927 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 1: years of enslavement, one hundred years of Jim Crowe. We 928 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,440 Speaker 1: don't have that history in this country. Being a black 929 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,080 Speaker 1: man in America has a kind of cost that being 930 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,080 Speaker 1: Jewish doesn't have. And Jewish people who have been able 931 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,440 Speaker 1: to assimilate in a lot of ways. Absolutely, i can 932 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,920 Speaker 1: walk down the street and you necessarily know that I'm Jewish, unless, 933 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 1: on the other hand, I'm an Orthodox person and that 934 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,400 Speaker 1: I am more likely to be assaulted just because you 935 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,720 Speaker 1: can see that I'm Jewish than any other white person. 936 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,719 Speaker 1: And Jews have our own trauma, which is different than 937 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,480 Speaker 1: American Black trauma or Black American trauma, but is real too. 938 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,359 Speaker 1: So I think there is so much that we've got 939 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,439 Speaker 1: in common. And you know, I'm proud of the fact that, again, 940 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,239 Speaker 1: my organization has a legacy. I'm proud of the fact 941 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,120 Speaker 1: that in a lot of ways, black people have stood 942 00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,279 Speaker 1: with Jewish people and they didn't have to. And so 943 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,359 Speaker 1: I think we got to move forward, and we got 944 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,000 Speaker 1: to move forward together. What do you think about Jewish 945 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:26,239 Speaker 1: people who support Donald Trump hard to explain. I mean, 946 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,120 Speaker 1: it is certainly true that Donald Trump has a Jewish 947 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,960 Speaker 1: son in law and a Jewish daughter. He has Jewish 948 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,720 Speaker 1: grandchildren like he does. I mean, he has a closer 949 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,279 Speaker 1: relationship to the Jewish people than any other president in 950 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,040 Speaker 1: the history of the United States of America. By the way, 951 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,520 Speaker 1: the Abraham Accords bringing together Israel and the UAE and 952 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,919 Speaker 1: barring that was a great thing, not just for Israe 953 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,399 Speaker 1: Jews pefore, the whole region. And you know, he called 954 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,480 Speaker 1: out anti Semitism in college campuses that hadn't happened before. 955 00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:02,280 Speaker 1: Those are good things. And yet he brought white supremacists 956 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,840 Speaker 1: into the White House. He trafficked in the kind of 957 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:10,640 Speaker 1: divisive language that not only alienated and terrified Jews, but 958 00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,680 Speaker 1: lots of other minorities. From the Muslim band, so it's 959 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,440 Speaker 1: about latinos. He said about black people, he you know, 960 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,920 Speaker 1: from Charlottesville, when he said they were fine people on 961 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,560 Speaker 1: both sides, to telling the Proud Boys to stand back 962 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,240 Speaker 1: and stand by, to telling these these individuals who rampage 963 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,560 Speaker 1: through the Capitol on January the sixth wearing Camp Auschwitz sweatshirts, 964 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,239 Speaker 1: like some of them had shirts that said six w 965 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:39,960 Speaker 1: m E six million wasn't enough, and he told them 966 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:45,120 Speaker 1: afterwards that he loved them, that they were great Americans. 967 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,080 Speaker 1: So so, how do you point hiss that level of 968 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,719 Speaker 1: white privilege? That's a different levels. It's easy to point 969 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,880 Speaker 1: his like the comedian or the rapper, but how do 970 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,640 Speaker 1: you point his that level of privilege. I think the 971 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,120 Speaker 1: whole country is still trying to figure that out. But 972 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,319 Speaker 1: you know, I mean I have not hesitated to call 973 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,360 Speaker 1: out Donald Trump. Oh yeah, you'll call for him to 974 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,319 Speaker 1: be removed from office. We did. We called him removed 975 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,840 Speaker 1: from office. We called him out starting on the campaign. 976 00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:10,840 Speaker 1: And there's a reason why I never got invited to 977 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,720 Speaker 1: a White House Hahnnaka party, you know, and Donald Trump 978 00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,759 Speaker 1: was in office. I wasn't exactly getting Christmas cards. But 979 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,080 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't really care. Like my job 980 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,040 Speaker 1: is to speak truth to power, regardless of who was 981 00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,960 Speaker 1: in power. And by the way, that cost me friends, 982 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,319 Speaker 1: that cost me influence. You know, I'll tell you something else. 983 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,759 Speaker 1: I you know, I work for President Obama. I spent 984 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,840 Speaker 1: three and a half years in the West Wing, and 985 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,719 Speaker 1: I feel blessed. I've worked for President Obama and a 986 00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,240 Speaker 1: lot of people to your question about the tablet article. 987 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,040 Speaker 1: They just write me off. They say I'm some Democratic 988 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,880 Speaker 1: operative because I worked for President Obama. I mean, entirely 989 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:51,879 Speaker 1: untrue whatever. But I didn't agree with everything President Obama did, 990 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,120 Speaker 1: and I you know, I didn't agree with the Iran 991 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:55,799 Speaker 1: deal that he was doing. And I called that out 992 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,000 Speaker 1: after I left the White House, and I lost friends 993 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,600 Speaker 1: in the Obama white House who said, why are you 994 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,719 Speaker 1: being loyal to us? You know? And I lost friends 995 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,120 Speaker 1: because I call it Donald Trump is why are you 996 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,560 Speaker 1: being loyal to the Jewish people? I mean, my job 997 00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,040 Speaker 1: is not to be loyal to this president or that president. 998 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,640 Speaker 1: My job is to protect the Jewish people, is to 999 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,960 Speaker 1: fight anti Semitism, racism, and hate of all kinds. I 1000 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,880 Speaker 1: got three more questions. I want to piggyback off that, 1001 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,200 Speaker 1: how do you manage your own personal bias towards things 1002 00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,480 Speaker 1: as Ceo Dadia? What do you mean? I got like, 1003 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,239 Speaker 1: if you have like a personal bias towards something, a 1004 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:31,839 Speaker 1: personal feeling about somebody, like, how do you manage that? Yeah? 1005 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,000 Speaker 1: It's hard. I mean, I will be honest if you're like, 1006 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,959 Speaker 1: I'm a human being and I get criticized a lot, 1007 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,399 Speaker 1: and I try again to learn from it, not to 1008 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:44,680 Speaker 1: listen to it. That's my kind of my mantra. But 1009 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,640 Speaker 1: sometimes z can kind of get under your skin and 1010 00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,439 Speaker 1: you just try to work through it and deal with it. 1011 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,400 Speaker 1: I also, again, I try to give everybody the benefit 1012 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,880 Speaker 1: of the doubt. Sometimes that's hard, but that's my general approach. 1013 00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,720 Speaker 1: But look like my wife and kids keep me honest. 1014 00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,200 Speaker 1: They often remind me about all the things I get wrong. 1015 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,120 Speaker 1: So that helps me to like mitigate my tendency to 1016 00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,840 Speaker 1: go this way or that way because they're constantly checking 1017 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,520 Speaker 1: checking in with me. Can adl speak for a whole 1018 00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:17,120 Speaker 1: community affair to ask the ad speak? I mean we 1019 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,640 Speaker 1: all we can do is our job. And sometimes I 1020 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,520 Speaker 1: think people think, you know that we represent the entire 1021 00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,839 Speaker 1: Jewish community. I'll tell you this, I do not feel 1022 00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:31,960 Speaker 1: like I represent. I mean, I don't feel like I 1023 00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,920 Speaker 1: really have the authority, the more aluthority to represent the 1024 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,640 Speaker 1: whole community. Look, I was in business for a long time. 1025 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,839 Speaker 1: I was building brands, I was creating companies back in California, 1026 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,400 Speaker 1: and then I went to work for the president, and 1027 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,560 Speaker 1: then I got recruited into this job. I'm not the 1028 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,400 Speaker 1: most observant jew. I didn't go to Jewish Day school. 1029 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,960 Speaker 1: I'm not even a word civil rights. I'm not even 1030 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,040 Speaker 1: a lawyer, like I'm an MBA who knows how to 1031 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,240 Speaker 1: build things in ship software. So I say that because 1032 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,520 Speaker 1: I don't feel like I have the right to represent 1033 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,160 Speaker 1: all the Jews. But what I would say is that 1034 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,319 Speaker 1: although I don't have the right, I don't think I 1035 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,560 Speaker 1: have the I don't know that I have the moral 1036 00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,440 Speaker 1: authority to represent all of our community. I work for 1037 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,120 Speaker 1: our community, and so it is my job to remember 1038 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,759 Speaker 1: that I am here, even these people criticizing me, even 1039 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,520 Speaker 1: these people that don't like me. If they are the 1040 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,720 Speaker 1: victim of a hate crime, I'll be the first person 1041 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,840 Speaker 1: to take their call. And you speak about the trauma 1042 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,880 Speaker 1: that Jewish people have experienced, right, And I hear a 1043 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,839 Speaker 1: lot of my Jewish friends they talk about that PTSD. 1044 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,279 Speaker 1: Right do y'all do you really think another Holocaust could happen? 1045 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,319 Speaker 1: Is that something that's in the back of your mind 1046 00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,000 Speaker 1: when you see the current climate. I'll tell you what 1047 00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:43,880 Speaker 1: you know. I feel kind of badly. I wrote a 1048 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,080 Speaker 1: book that I should have brought copies of this today. 1049 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,839 Speaker 1: It came out in January. It's my first book it's 1050 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,920 Speaker 1: called it could happen here. It could happen here. And 1051 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,360 Speaker 1: I wrote that book. I started writing it after Pittsburgh 1052 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,000 Speaker 1: because I never would have guessed. I mean, maybe I'm 1053 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,840 Speaker 1: naive or I was naive. I never would have guessed 1054 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,080 Speaker 1: that one day I was in synagogue when that happened. 1055 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,600 Speaker 1: I was in synagogue in my community here in New York, 1056 00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,160 Speaker 1: and my phone was buzzing, and in the middle of 1057 00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,360 Speaker 1: the service on Saturday morning, and it kept buzzing, and 1058 00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:19,840 Speaker 1: I don't look at my phone in service, and so 1059 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,879 Speaker 1: my wife was like, I gotta answer. Something's going on, 1060 00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,600 Speaker 1: and I was like, don't. I mean, I'm not getting 1061 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,200 Speaker 1: my phone. I'm in synagogue. But after the service was over, 1062 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,920 Speaker 1: I went outside, I looked at my phone and it 1063 00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,319 Speaker 1: was crazy. And by the way, one of the first 1064 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,520 Speaker 1: metches I had was from my friend, who at the 1065 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,840 Speaker 1: time was running the end of LASP legal defense phone 1066 00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:44,440 Speaker 1: like checking it. And it was a hard, hard day. 1067 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,000 Speaker 1: And I went down to Pittsburgh and there are a 1068 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,440 Speaker 1: lot of funerals and a lot of it was pretty awful. 1069 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,000 Speaker 1: So those situations really kind of humble you. And I 1070 00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:55,719 Speaker 1: started thinking about how am I going to deal with this? 1071 00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,440 Speaker 1: As I started writing this book. And I started writing 1072 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,960 Speaker 1: this book because I was saying before my German grandfather, 1073 00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,520 Speaker 1: my Iranian father in law, now me, like Jews have 1074 00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:10,520 Speaker 1: experienced trauma, not in the ancient past, like it's affected 1075 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,319 Speaker 1: my family again, the people that I know and love 1076 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:19,160 Speaker 1: and cherish. So I don't think another Holocaust will happen 1077 00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:24,480 Speaker 1: where Jews will be systematically annihilated. But I do think 1078 00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,400 Speaker 1: there are a lot of warning signs that suggest that 1079 00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,960 Speaker 1: if we don't get our act together, history might not 1080 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:35,240 Speaker 1: exactly repeat itself, but it very well could rhyme. And 1081 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,600 Speaker 1: so when I say that, I mean if I had 1082 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,680 Speaker 1: said to you, I tell you something else. So when 1083 00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,840 Speaker 1: I'm with my book, I do a lot of talks, 1084 00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,040 Speaker 1: and I'll go to a synagogue, I'll go to a bookstore, 1085 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:48,960 Speaker 1: I'll go to some other place, and I'll talk in 1086 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,360 Speaker 1: front of a conference, large group people, three hundred, forty 1087 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,520 Speaker 1: five undred people, yes, the last questions. Afterwards, I'll do 1088 00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,240 Speaker 1: a book signing. Well, they'll come up to the table, 1089 00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,440 Speaker 1: you know, And they'll come up to the table. And 1090 00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,320 Speaker 1: this happened. This didn't used to happen. This happens now 1091 00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,840 Speaker 1: every time someone will come up I can predict it 1092 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,720 Speaker 1: and say to me, do you think, well, where else 1093 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,600 Speaker 1: should we go? Do you think we should be thinking 1094 00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,240 Speaker 1: about leaving? Have you heard about this golden passport program 1095 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,720 Speaker 1: or something like that in Portugal? Do you know what 1096 00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:25,880 Speaker 1: what's required to immigrate to Israel? I get asked these 1097 00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:31,400 Speaker 1: questions every time. So why do I get ask these 1098 00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,880 Speaker 1: questions because Jews all over the country. I think Jews 1099 00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:40,720 Speaker 1: because of our this kind of generational trauma. I think, 1100 00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,800 Speaker 1: and maybe as black folks you can you can relate 1101 00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,040 Speaker 1: this in some way. We've had those same conversations about 1102 00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,160 Speaker 1: where would we go to after the fascist take over? 1103 00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:54,120 Speaker 1: Autely about that. So we think about that, and I think, again, maybe, 1104 00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,400 Speaker 1: like you guys, I think Jews here at a different wavelength. 1105 00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,760 Speaker 1: I think, like ordinary people, we'll see what's going on. 1106 00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,680 Speaker 1: I think, wow, that's pretty bad. Jews are like, we've 1107 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,080 Speaker 1: seen this movie before, we kind of know how it ends. 1108 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:17,200 Speaker 1: And so I don't think, again, the Holocaust, the systematic 1109 00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:24,840 Speaker 1: scientific annihilation of Jews across Europe, the obliteration of their culture, 1110 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,000 Speaker 1: the incineration of all these people. I don't think that 1111 00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,160 Speaker 1: quite is going to replicate itself. If Iran could do 1112 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,160 Speaker 1: what it wanted to do to Israel, they would probably 1113 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,880 Speaker 1: knook the country, to be clear, But here in this country, 1114 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,280 Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to happen. But that doesn't 1115 00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,440 Speaker 1: mean if I had told you six if someone had 1116 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:46,280 Speaker 1: said to me in twenty fifteen, Barack Obama's in the 1117 00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,919 Speaker 1: White House, marriage equality has passed. We're feeling pretty good 1118 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:55,440 Speaker 1: about twenty Democrats been pretty good about twenty sixteen. Countries 1119 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,200 Speaker 1: moving forward, someone said, let me tell you something. In 1120 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:03,240 Speaker 1: six years, Semitic incidents will have tripled. There'll be a 1121 01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:08,200 Speaker 1: series of mass shooting events at synagogues and kosher supermarkets 1122 01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,680 Speaker 1: around the country. Jews are going to be beaten up 1123 01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:16,840 Speaker 1: in broad daylight. They'll be Nazis on the biggest social 1124 01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,440 Speaker 1: media platforms. I would have said, you're crazy, It's never 1125 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,160 Speaker 1: going to happen. I can't even imagine. That's inconceivable to me. 1126 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:30,760 Speaker 1: So that was six years ago. So six years from now, 1127 01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:38,800 Speaker 1: if someone said to me, anti Semitic instance will have 1128 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:46,000 Speaker 1: tripled again. Synagogues will be shut down, Jewish day schools 1129 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:50,920 Speaker 1: will be closed because of the threats. Jews will have 1130 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,440 Speaker 1: left in large numbers. Tucker Carlson will be the nominee 1131 01:00:54,840 --> 01:01:00,600 Speaker 1: for the GOP and we'll say we need to get 1132 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:06,200 Speaker 1: all the globalists out of there'll be no globalists in 1133 01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:13,000 Speaker 1: my administration. That shouldn't sound so crazy. Yeah, yeah. My 1134 01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,960 Speaker 1: last question, what would be the best possible outcome of 1135 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,960 Speaker 1: this present moment that we're all in. Because we know fascism, bigotry, 1136 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,640 Speaker 1: anti black racism, anti simatism, it don't benefit nobody in 1137 01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,560 Speaker 1: this room. So what's the best possible outcome of this 1138 01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:33,760 Speaker 1: current moment that we're in. I want your grandchildren, and 1139 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:38,800 Speaker 1: your grandchildren and my grandchildren to be born in this country, 1140 01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,480 Speaker 1: to see each other as not just allies, but like 1141 01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:50,720 Speaker 1: members of the same family. And I want a country 1142 01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,960 Speaker 1: that treats all of its people, regardless of how they 1143 01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:59,080 Speaker 1: look or where they pray, with dignity and decency and respect. 1144 01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:07,960 Speaker 1: So your son isn't afraid to go to black you know, 1145 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:14,400 Speaker 1: let's go to NHBCU, so that my son isn't worried 1146 01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,000 Speaker 1: if he chooses to wear it, keep up and walk 1147 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:22,800 Speaker 1: down the street. Like I don't think it's too much 1148 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,600 Speaker 1: to ask that our kids should be able to lead 1149 01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,200 Speaker 1: the lives they want to leave as black, are as Jewish, 1150 01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:33,920 Speaker 1: as they choose, and I hope to realize that future 1151 01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:38,280 Speaker 1: for your kids, for my kids, for our kids. That 1152 01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:42,040 Speaker 1: will work together to create that and we won't let 1153 01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:46,480 Speaker 1: our enemies tear us apart. We won't let ignorance get 1154 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,960 Speaker 1: in the way, and that will come out of this moment, 1155 01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,840 Speaker 1: as painful as it's been, because it's painful, it's hard. 1156 01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:58,680 Speaker 1: That will come out of this moment together, stronger and 1157 01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,040 Speaker 1: united in the way that we haven't been in generations. 1158 01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,960 Speaker 1: All right, all right, well, Jonathan Green Black ladies and gentlemen, 1159 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:05,560 Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. And we gotta practice what 1160 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,080 Speaker 1: we preach because you know people are gonna be watching, 1161 01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,240 Speaker 1: So we got to show up for each other, you know, 1162 01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,439 Speaker 1: like like you said on CNN, you said, Jewish people 1163 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,400 Speaker 1: have to show up for Black people when there's an 1164 01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,320 Speaker 1: anti blackness, and Black people have to show up for 1165 01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:21,080 Speaker 1: Jewish people when they're an anti semitism. Yeah. Absolutely, Well, 1166 01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,240 Speaker 1: it's the breakfast Club. It don't be a stranger deal, 1167 01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,760 Speaker 1: all right, And I'm glad that we have a line 1168 01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,640 Speaker 1: that we can call and ask questions and not afraid 1169 01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,960 Speaker 1: to ask questions any time. All right, Jonathan Greenblatt, It's 1170 01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:33,040 Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. Good morning,