1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Thursday, June twentieth, that 2 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: approximately four o'clock PM, who received a call from the 3 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: Lewech family reporting that they had not heard from their 4 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: twenty three year old daughter McKenzie for Kenzie since early 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: Monday morning, the seventeenth of June, when she texted her 6 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: mother at two or one am Mountain time. I'm Nancy Grace. 7 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us, 8 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: joining me right now. A syndicated talks to her host, 9 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: Dave mac the missing University of Utah student. What can 10 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: you tell me? Start at the beginning, McKenzie luck missing 11 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: McKenzie arrived at the airport in Salt Lake City about 12 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: one thirty in the morning. She notified her parents she 13 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: had arrived. She sent a text at two o'clock in 14 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: the morning she called a lift driver to take her 15 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: to a park, not to her home. That's the key here. 16 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: Lift driver arrives and takes her to the park where 17 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: at about three o'clock in the morning. The last word 18 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: we have and all of this is coming from this 19 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: lift driver, mind you, who the police have said is 20 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: not actually a suspect right now. All the information comes 21 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: from him. He drops her off at a park at 22 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning. She meets somebody there that 23 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: we have no clue who it is. We don't have 24 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: any descriptions to make a model of the car or 25 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: the individual. And that's the last time McKinsey has seen Okay, 26 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: let me just tell you right now, I don't believe that, because, 27 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: first of all, let me throw to Wendy Patrick right now, 28 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: trial lawyer, author of red Flags on Amazon. Let me 29 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: understand this, Wendy. It doesn't make sense to me. This 30 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: is a young girl who has never gone missing, is 31 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: a college student, making great grace, you know, the apple 32 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: of her parents eye. She tells them she's going to 33 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: the airport, She keeps them up to the moment about 34 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: her comings and goings, and then at three am she 35 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: goes to a park to meet an unknown person. Those 36 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: two things don't fit together to me. Help me, Wendy. Yeah, Nancy, 37 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: you're right on the money. You know. I watched the 38 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: news conference in this case where they talk about no 39 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: evidence of foul play. What you just mentioned is circumstantial 40 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: evidence of foul play. The fact that a young lady 41 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: with absolutely no reason to go off the grid and 42 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: the fashion she did with mid terms to take a 43 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: plane ticket to catch a family to come home to 44 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 1: somehow makes the choice to take a lift to a 45 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: park in the middle of the night instead of to 46 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: her home and then remember that that phone was turned off. 47 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: So this is a case of intensive investigation that's continuing 48 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: around the clock. Every parent's nightmare, No doubt. I cannot 49 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: wait Nancy to figure out a little more information. You know, 50 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: there's got to be cameras and things that caught cars 51 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: coming in and out of that park at that time 52 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 1: of night. There can't possibly be that much traffic to 53 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: try to make sense of this. Because you and I 54 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: are on the same page here so far, it doesn't 55 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: add up. Take a listen to our friend Tim Doubt 56 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: at the Salt Lake CITYPD McKenzie was visiting family for 57 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: a funeral in California last week and returned to Salt 58 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: Lake City on a flight that arrived early last Monday 59 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: morning at approximately one thirty five am Mountain time. Mackenzie 60 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: then took a lift at two forty two am from 61 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: the Salt Lake City International Airport to Hatch Park, located 62 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: at number fifty West Center Street in North Salt Lake City. 63 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: She arrived at Hatch Park at two fifty nine am. 64 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: Detectives has spoken with the lift driver and learned that 65 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: McKenzie was met at Hatch Park by an individual in 66 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: a vehicle. The lift driver left McKenzie at the park 67 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: with that person and stated that McKenzie did not appear 68 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: to be in any type of distress. I'm not putting 69 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: blame on the lift driver, Okay, they say for right 70 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: now he has been cleared. So either he's telling the 71 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: truth or he's not. That is what this is all 72 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: going to hinge on. He says he drops the twenty 73 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: three year old Utah student off at a park. He's 74 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: picked her up at the airport. She had ordered the 75 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: car around one am, right when she touched down, has 76 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: to be taken to an address in North Salt Like. 77 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: He says, he dropped her off of the part where 78 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: she meets a man she quote seemed happy to see, 79 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: gets in his vehicle. Has not been seen since she 80 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: drove away with him. Why would he want to meet 81 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: her at a park? I don't get it. Since that time, 82 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: she's missed a wedding, a midterm work, and has not 83 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: been home to check on her cat John Cardilla way in, Well, look, 84 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: that fact pattern is really really unusual. But what law 85 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: enforcement has to do is wipe all the preconceived notions away, 86 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: and so the parents see her as honor student and 87 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: a diligent daughter and someone who checks in with law 88 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: enforcements looking at her the things the parents might not know. 89 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're there, but they're going to look 90 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: at does she have a history of drug use that 91 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: the parents might not know about? Does she have a 92 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: secret group of friends that the parents don't know about? 93 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: A minute? Wait a minute, Wendy Patrick, Okay, I'm not 94 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: a shrink, that's true. But a twenty three year old 95 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: girl with a job, a college career, who was planning 96 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: a wedding, a midterm work, keeps a cat, keeps up 97 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: with her parents, texting in throughout a trip. That does 98 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: not sound like a meth head or a dopatic to me. Yeah, 99 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: And I think what John was saying is that's why 100 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: you want to clear those possibilities at the beginning, to 101 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: make sure back and says, oh, well, did anybody look 102 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: at this? Law enforcement knows that doesn't fit the pattern, 103 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: so they're gonna that's the easy thing to do is 104 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: to basically discount those explanations that might fit a different 105 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: victim here. But once you get through that, Nancy, you're 106 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: laying out all the right evidence here, how do you 107 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: account for the fact that it looks like, at least 108 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: at this point, this young woman made the choice to 109 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: go to that park. So what explanation are we going 110 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: to come up for that that doesn't involve somebody that 111 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: she's meeting up with we don't know about, I gotta 112 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: tell you, thankfully. Nowadays, digital footprints are easier to follow 113 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: than real ones, and that seems to be the focus 114 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: of law enforcement now is who did she arrange to 115 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: meet there? And how can we figure out who that 116 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: person was. Sure we can find the car, that's great, 117 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: but my prediction is we're also going to be able 118 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: to find a digital trail of this meeting, the planning, 119 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: and then we'll have a suspect. Here's our friend, William 120 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: luj Nas at Fox Knees. Listen. If there's just one 121 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: part of this story, it doesn't add up. Where did 122 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: she go at one am to an industrial, unfamiliar part 123 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,239 Speaker 1: of town even her friends say is a mystery because 124 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: she did not have a regular boyfriend. We could go. 125 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: Louis tells her parents. She arrives safely in Salt Lake, 126 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: where she's a student at the University of Utah. She 127 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: takes a lift, not home or her sorority, but an 128 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,799 Speaker 1: area north of Salt Lake, and hasn't been seen since. 129 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: No text, no calls, no Facebook, Carna moved from her apartment, 130 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: luggage missing, missing work, a wedding, and mid term exams. 131 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: For her, not to reach out to me, stap chat, Instagram, anything. 132 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: It's very unlike her, very uncommon. She's usually in touch 133 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: with me almost every day. She texted her family that 134 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: she landed at the airport. She wouldn't have done that 135 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: if she wanted to purposefully disappear. Kenzie, if you can 136 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: hear this, we are all worried and looking out for you. 137 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: Twenty four to seven. So police are not saying where 138 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: she went, but Lyft says her route contained no irregularities 139 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: and ended exactly where she stipulated. The driver continued providing 140 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: rides at night, and please say they have no information 141 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: that would lead them to believe that she has been 142 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: harmed or is in danger, but they are concerned for 143 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: her welfare. The bottom line here you have someone who 144 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: appears to be a serious student, irresponsible daughter doing something 145 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: a little out of character. What she was doing up there? 146 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: Who did she see? It's a missing piece. Police are 147 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: not saying or not cheery yet. I find it really 148 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: hard to blay John Cardillo, former NYPD that the cops 149 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: are saying the lift driver is cleared if he's not, 150 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: because I think that's kind of thing that is logged 151 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: into a bigger network. When they punch in your address 152 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: and you order a lift or an uber, you have 153 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: to put in the address you want to go to. 154 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: You're the one that puts that in hold on. From 155 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: what I understand, from what Dave Mack has told me, 156 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: we understand that cops are also looking. They know that 157 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: she's single according to her friends, but they're looking to 158 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: see whether she was using dating apps or had some 159 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: secret social media profile. How do you do that, John, 160 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: You have to investigate everything so you eliminate them. So 161 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: what they're gonna look at now is just what you said, Nancy. 162 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: They're gonna look at the digital trail of that particular 163 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: lift vehicle. If that guy was only at that park 164 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: for a few seconds dropping her off, then picked up 165 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: another fare a mile away four or three four minutes later. Well, 166 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: then we know that his timeline works. You remember, as 167 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: a prosecutor, a timeline as everything in an investigation. So 168 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: simultaneously they're going to be looking at her cell phone records, 169 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: everything about her cell phone, every incoming and outgoing call. Well, 170 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, let's take a look at that. 171 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: You're right, John Cardillo, take a listen to our friend 172 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: Tim Doubt at the Saut Lakes. Since being reported missing, 173 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: detectives attempted to locate her through her phone, which has 174 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: been turned off, and those efforts remain unsuccessful. Detectives have 175 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: interviewed her friends and acquaintances from school, and we have 176 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: checked locations she was known to frequent. Detectives learned that 177 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: McKenzie was scheduled to fly into lax on Sunday morning, 178 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: June twenty third, and worked with the Los Angeles Police 179 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: Department to coordinate confirmation if she was on the flight, 180 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: which she was not. Detectives have listed McKenzie in the 181 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: national database is Missing and are exploring all avenues of 182 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: Investigative techniques include writing and serving various warrants, talking to 183 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: friends and family, and checking social media. Since we took 184 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: the report on Thursday, detectives have canvassed the area around 185 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: Hatch Park multiple times to try and locate any video 186 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: surveillance from businesses or from residences that may have captured anything. 187 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: Detectives are also knocking on doors in the area of 188 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: the park to rule out that anyone there may have 189 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: had contact with mackenzie or seen anything. Dave, what can 190 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: you tell me about the search for McKenzie now? Right now, 191 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: the searches in corporate is actually spreading out around the park. 192 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: The police have all their information coming from the lift driver. 193 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: They've been able to get his routine or his schedule 194 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: for that night. They've got it down to the point 195 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: where they're in the park at about three zero one am. 196 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: So police are now searching for all types of video. 197 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: So they're looking for surveillance video around the park area. 198 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: They're looking for any type of business or residence that 199 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: has a camera pointed near that park so they can 200 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: try to verify this story they're getting from the lift 201 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: driver that a man in a car picked up McKenzie. 202 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: Tipline eight zero one seven nine nine four four two 203 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: zero repeat eight zero one seven nine nine four two 204 00:10:55,280 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: zero Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A mother of five 205 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: goes missing from the Tony area of New Haven. I'm 206 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 207 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: with us, and this is what we know. She Jennifer Dulos, 208 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: drops her children off at school. She's never seen again, 209 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: her car found abandoned. Her estranged husband Fotus Dulos, and 210 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: his girlfriend, Michel Chreconis have both been eyeballed by police. 211 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: In her disappearance. Her family says she was quote afraid 212 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: for her life. That's what we're learning that she was 213 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 1: a quote nervous wreck after filing for a divorce from 214 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: husband Fotus Duelos, her husband of thirteen years. Now. According 215 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: to police, over thirty items of clothing and sponges bloodied 216 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: have been found on a four mile stretch in Connecticut 217 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: that DNA apparently matching up to Jennifer Dulos. But in 218 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: the last hours we learn, according to the husband's lawyers, 219 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: that the missing mom, Jennifer Dulos, writes a Gone Girls 220 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: style novel. And as you will recall, the Gone Girl 221 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: movie hit movie was all about a wife that staged 222 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: her own disappearance and return. Long story, short, straight out 223 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: to Radar Online dot COM's Alexis terres Chuck, investigative reporter. 224 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: What can you tell me, Alexis about this missing mom 225 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos writing a gone girl style novel. So her 226 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: estranged f husband's attorney is claiming this. He said without 227 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: some who good kill me said they were given a dark, 228 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: dark novel that Jennifer had allegedly written, and they said 229 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: that it was a gone girl's style book. What that 230 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: means is it's a wife who fakes her death and 231 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: frames her husband for the death by leaving blood evidence 232 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: in the house. And that's what they're saying. That they 233 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: have found this book that she They say that she 234 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: wrote this, this missing mother of five, five children at 235 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: home and she writes a book about taking her death 236 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, her husand's attorney has 237 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: this book. The husband's lawyer also claims that she Jennifer Dulos, 238 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: has had a history of disappearing. What do you know 239 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: about that? This is what this attorney has said, that 240 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: she's had a history of disappearing. But her family says 241 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: that this isn't true. She has five kids, she's a 242 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: devoted mother, she has been fighting in court for full 243 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: custody of these kids. Everyone who knows there says that 244 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: this isn't true. Yeah, Alexis. According to husband Fotus lawyer, 245 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: Jennifer wrote a five hundred page Gone Girl's style script 246 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: many years ago, and he is now claiming she had 247 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: a quote troubled pass quote struggled with drugs her whole life. 248 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: That's interesting because he's had five children with her, and 249 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: I don't recall him ever calling de facts or causing 250 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: any disturbance about the mom using drugs, or ever having 251 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: any problem leaving his children alone with her. Nope, none whatsoever. 252 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: This is, according to her family's is coming from out 253 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: of nowhere. That these are really dirty tactics to blame 254 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: a victim, and they've never heard of any of this, 255 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: and this novel that she wrote. She is a New 256 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: York University NYU graduate in literature and she loves to write. 257 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: Is what her mom had said, So this is just 258 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: an old story that she wrote. Now, according to Jennifer's 259 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: loved ones, they say she was afraid for her life 260 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: and was a nervous wreck. Their lawyers claim that this 261 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: suggestion that she had written a Gone Girl novel is 262 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: just a desperate attempt to slander Jennifer. Right now, cops 263 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: have to release footage from inside a heart for trash facility, 264 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: and in that facility you see a guy that loves 265 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: a lot like the husband. Photos do lose throwing away 266 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: what many believe is evidence. Alisis what can you tell 267 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: us for her ex husband was captured on video thirty 268 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: times depositing what the police have said and sources have 269 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: said it was evidence that included bloody clothing, sponges that 270 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: have been connected back to Jennifer. This is all what 271 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: sources are saying, and this is they have been searching 272 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: the trash in this town. They are meticulously searching. This 273 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: is a huge trash landfill. But they have said the 274 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: authorities that said, we know exactly what we're looking for, 275 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: we know when it came here, and we know where 276 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: it is, and we are finding everything. And they said 277 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: even the littlest bit of evidence they have, they're sending 278 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: it to the medical examiner. They have dogs out there 279 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: that are trained to search to find body fluid, blood, 280 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: anything human related and they are going to find everything 281 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: they can to help connect them to this case. To syndicate. 282 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: A talk show host Dave Mac. Dave, I want to 283 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: start at the beginning. Where did she go missing? When 284 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: did she go missing? She dropped their children off at 285 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: eight am. The next thing we know is that she 286 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: missed an eleven am appointment. At twelve noon, the cleaning 287 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: lady came by and there was nobody home. So the 288 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: police have tightened the timeline down to the last time. Woa, whoa, whoa, 289 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: Dave Mac. Sorry, but I've got to isolate something. You 290 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: just said she dropped the children off at school eight am. 291 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: And let me just tell you, these people aren't slouches. 292 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: They live in a very upscale area, possibly one of 293 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: the most expensive areas outside of nine two one zero. 294 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: It's surround the New Canaan area of Connecticut. And I 295 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: learned living in New York that all the rich people 296 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: would leave after work and take a train to New Canaan. 297 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: I mean the really, really wealthy people. So I can't 298 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: identify where the woman was living. The husband was living 299 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: in a four point three million dollar mansion, but they 300 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: had split up. Long story short, this is where I'm 301 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: going with this, Dave Mac, eight Am to eleven am 302 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: with Me Dave Max, syndicated talk show host Josicot Morgan, 303 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: I need you on this one. You know, when I'm 304 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: making a cup of hot tea first thing in the morning, 305 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: at about five AM, I do not expect a kidnap 306 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: to go down. What I'm saying is, I've been prosecuting 307 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: for many, many years, and it's much more unlikely for 308 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: a violent crime to occur first thing in the morning. 309 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: Now this is just anecdotal for me, but it's rare 310 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: when you see a kidnap or a murderer or a 311 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: violent crime occur first thing in the morning. What is that? 312 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: I always say, I felt perfectly perfectly safe going out 313 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: and handle livering subpoenas first thing in the morning, because 314 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: all the dopers would still be asleep like vampires. So 315 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: what is it that the crimes do happen? But it's 316 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: very rare first thing in the morning. Yeah, you're right, Nancy. 317 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: I mean, even even swat teams and you know, drug 318 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: task forth, like you had stated, they will, they will 319 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: go and serve warrants at these violent offenders homes generally 320 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: at that period of time, because you know, these people 321 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: are not going to be out of the bed by 322 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: that time. Oh oh, hub l No, because they've been 323 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: up all night long, breaking the law, selling dough, driving 324 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: around town, trying to steal things an arm rob. Mmmmm, 325 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: you can set up a whole battering ram outside inside 326 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: a doper's door at six am. They won't know anything's 327 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: going on. They're dead to the world till about three pm. 328 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: So can I just get a yes no on that, 329 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: Joe Scott? Yes, So, Dave Matt, you're telling me she 330 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: goes missing between eight and eleven. She even wanted to 331 00:18:55,440 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: to disappear and get away from her life mightier early 332 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: in the morning. And we don't have any signs of 333 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: her clothes being packed, or a bus ticket, a plane ticket, 334 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: nothing like that, do we, Dave. When the police actually 335 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: went to her rented home in New Canean, they found 336 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: traces of blood and obvious signs that had been cleaned 337 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: up so that the maid could not realize what had happened. 338 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: So I'm assuming they used luminar or something along those 339 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: lines to determine that it was enough blood. Who is 340 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: they who used luminar? I'm sorry the police. The police 341 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: all converged on her home to try to find her, 342 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: and again we've got an eight am dropping off at 343 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: school by eleven am, she misses an appointment in by 344 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: twelve noon, the maid says there's nobody here. When the 345 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: police show up to investigate, they find traces of blood 346 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: at such a level that they believe it had been 347 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: cleaned up in an effort to conceal it from the 348 00:19:50,960 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: maid when she arrived. It Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 349 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: Welcome back, I Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories in 350 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: the last hours A bombshell in the search of Connecticut 351 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: mom Jennifer Dulos, a mom of five. We're now learning 352 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: from sources connected to her husband she Jennifer wrote a 353 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: quote gone Girl style novel Gone Girl, as you know, 354 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: a hit movie about a woman who orchestrated her own disappearance, 355 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: and it made to look as if her husband had 356 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: murdered her. Wow. Okay. He the defense lawyer is also 357 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: suggesting Jennifer has disappeared before and lived for years under 358 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: a false name. Okay, I find that really hard to 359 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: believe with five children that she's living separate from them 360 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: under a false name too. Alexis tres Chuck, writer online 361 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: dot com. Just give me a capsualization for those just 362 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: joining us about what is the movie Gone Girl about 363 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: who's starting it Done? Girls starred Ben Affleck and Rosamund Pike, 364 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: and she was his wife who faked her death. We 365 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: didn't know that. In the beginning of the movie. He 366 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,959 Speaker 1: just came home. She was missing blood everywhere. Police found 367 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: lots of hidden evidence that would only point to him 368 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: as the murderer. It ends up that she faked her death. 369 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: She had run away all things happened to her. She 370 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: ended up coming back before he got the death penalty. 371 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: As you all know, Jennifer file for divorce in twenty seventeen, 372 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: has been locked in an acrimonious legal battle for custody 373 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: of their twin boys. Another set of twins, boy girl 374 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: and a daughter. All the children very young, between eight 375 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: and thirteen years old. Jennifer hand rittey court documents, I 376 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: am afraid for my family's safety. Wow, to get an 377 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: idea what she looks like to me, she looks a 378 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:12,239 Speaker 1: little bit like Jennifer Garner Um trying to figure this 379 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: all out, Alexis, what more can you tell us? For 380 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: the last few years, Jennifer has been fighting for us 381 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: for custody of her five children. In multiple court documents, 382 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: she has claimed that she's afraid for her life. She's 383 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: afraid of him. He is somebody that she really feels 384 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: I could really do harm to her and the children. 385 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: And she has been stagging a judge to give her 386 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: custody of the children. Listen on assocation of your emergency. Yeah, 387 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: I'm worried about my wife and kids because they left 388 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: to go to York and I haven't been able to 389 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: get in touch for okay where they were. Run to me, Eric, 390 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: what's the license late on the car? What's the license 391 00:22:52,760 --> 00:23:00,239 Speaker 1: late on the car? I need to okay, who's car 392 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,959 Speaker 1: registered too? It's registered to my wife's name, Jennifer Dulosa 393 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: name for me Dulos d u l o els Jennifer 394 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: g E M N I F R. Yeah, Harrod dat birth. 395 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: It's September twenty seven, nineteen sixty eight. They were driving 396 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: with the whole baby seeing continue hold calls world, Okay, 397 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: what kind of hold on? Hold on? What kind of 398 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: car were they driving? Who was the Rangel the rain 399 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: Drower yead On Black twenty sixteen, Black land Rower rain Drower. 400 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: You just heard part of a nine one one call 401 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: from two thousand and seventeen where the husband is calling 402 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: police Fotus duelos the husband. Okay, why is there a 403 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen nine one one call? What is that? Dave? 404 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: Matt Nancy the Dulo's marriage was very contentious, and Jennifer 405 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: actually filed for divorce in two thousd seventeen, and that's 406 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: when that call was made. She actually left with the 407 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: kids to New York. But she went to get away 408 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: from him, to hide from him, because she feared that 409 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: when she served the papers, according to what she wrote, 410 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: that he would be violent towards her. So she actually 411 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: knew this was going to happen. It was all filed 412 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: with the with the court, and when he called nine 413 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: one one, he hadn't been served the divorce papers yet. 414 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: He didn't know where his wife had gone. He got 415 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: the divorce paper after that nine one one call, Let's 416 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: take a listen to more of it. Nine one one 417 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: were they supposed to be there? They were supposed to 418 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: be the parent? Okay, call is not answering, they're not 419 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: answering the okay what's herself? One number zero four? Okay? Okay, 420 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: you keep breaking up, sir, I needs you to hold 421 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: the phone to your face because they keep hearing you 422 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: really far away, small Asian fool, so far long for years, 423 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: that's okay, who was the other person? Lass with your 424 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: wife Laurence last name. And he goes on to list 425 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: all five children missing, five children all gone with her. 426 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: This is after she files for a divorce. But that 427 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: was way back in two thousand and seventeen two, Doctor 428 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: Patricia Saunders, Psychologists joining us out of New York. What 429 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: about it? That telephone call that UM two US made 430 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: saying that his family was missing was the night before 431 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: he was actually served the divorce papers. Um. He sounds 432 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: surprisingly calm on the nine one one call. Um. One 433 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: of the statements that Jennifer had made was she listened 434 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: to years of sicken name revenge fantasies from her husband 435 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: planning a harm, physical harm to people who he felt 436 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: had wronged him. So she had stated that she was 437 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: afraid of her husband and that he would find some 438 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: way to get revenge for her divorcing him. You know, 439 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: doctor Patucia Saunders, you know my husband David very very well, 440 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: and all the time I've known him, which goes all 441 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: the way back to college, I've never once heard him 442 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: talk about revenge ever. I mean, you know, he's in business, 443 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: and business deals go up and business deals go down, 444 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: and sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. I've never 445 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: once heard him say I'm going to get that guy. 446 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: Her family says she was quote afraid for her life. 447 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: That's what we're learning that she was a quote nervous 448 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: wreck after filing for a divorce from husband Fotus Duelos, 449 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: her husband of thirteen years. Quote, she knew how enraged 450 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: he was that she took this step, that is filing 451 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: for divorce. Now there's been quite an upheaval amongst the 452 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: family because Jennifer is missing, her vehicle found to Joseph's. 453 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: Goot Morgan, Professor forensic Jacksonville State University, let me ask 454 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: you a question. It seems to me that if she 455 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: dropped her children off at school at eight am and 456 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: then you find blood that seemingly is cleaned up in 457 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: the home that she came back, that says to me 458 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: she came back from taking them to school, and I'm 459 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: wondering if she's stopped anywhere along the way McDonald's for 460 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: a cup of coffee, the grocery store, whatever's opened at 461 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: eight am, came into the home and that's when the 462 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: attack occurred because her car by eleven am has been 463 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: found abandoned. Yeah, I think so too, Nancy, And I 464 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: think that whoever's involved in this, they have to know 465 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 1: her timing. They have to know that she would have 466 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 1: taken those kids to school, and then they would have 467 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 1: had to have had access to this area in which 468 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: in which this blood is found. And this is going 469 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: to be essential. I don't know what you're saying about access. 470 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: They could break in or get in with a credit 471 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: card at the door and fallen us. She left the 472 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: door unlot, But as far as timing, I believe that's 473 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: when the incident occurred. I mean it had to if 474 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: that blood wiped up is related to her disappearance. In 475 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: the last hours, we learned that the husband has given 476 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: DNA samples straight out to David Mack. There's been a 477 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 1: lot of breaks in the case way in Jennifer's husband, 478 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: Fetus Dulas and his girlfriend Michelle Traconis, who's They were 479 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: both taken into custody and charged with hindering prosecution and 480 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: tampering with evidence in relation to the disappearance of missus Dula. Okay, 481 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: that's not good because if they are in any way 482 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: trying to cover up or tamper with evidence or keep 483 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: police from finding evidence. Why would they want to do 484 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: that unless they've got something to cover up. Now, a 485 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: defense attorney will argue tampering with evidence or obstructing police 486 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: does not a murder make But if they're what other 487 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: reason would they cover up evidence or tamper with evidence 488 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: or obstruct police in their investigation? Dave Mack, you know 489 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: what we've gotten now is we've mentioned many times about 490 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: the blood being cleaned up at the New Canaan rental 491 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: home that Missus Dulos was living in. Well, they've gotten 492 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: the DNA broken down from that, and prior to his arrest, 493 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: mister Dulos actually had given a DNA sample and hair 494 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: follical samples that they're running against some of the other 495 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: evidence that they've found. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Welcome back, 496 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories a blockbuster in 497 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: the search for a missing mom, Jennifer Dulos. Her family 498 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: says she was quote afraid for her life. That's what 499 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: we're learning that she was a quote nervous wreck after 500 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: filing for a divorce from husband Fotus Dulos, her husband 501 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: of thirteen years quote, she knew how enraged he was 502 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: that she took this step, that is filing for divorce. 503 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: Now there's been quite an upheaval amongst the family because 504 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: Jennifer is missing. Her vehicle found not long after she 505 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: had dropped her children off at school. Jennifer has gone missing. 506 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: Surveillance footage catches the couple, husband and girlfriend making thirty 507 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: stops at trash receptacles in Hartford the night Jennifer goes missing. 508 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: We believe disposing of bags filled with items including Jennifer's 509 00:30:53,240 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: bloodstained garments and bloody sponges. Fotus Dulo's DNA also found 510 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: mixed with Jennifer's blood on the kitchen sink faucet in 511 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: her home. Now, hold on just a moment. His DNA 512 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: found mixed with her blood on a kitchen sink fawcet 513 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: in her home. See here's my problem with that, Alexis. 514 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: Many defense learners will argue, it's not uncommon to find 515 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: and occupants blood in the home, especially in the kitchen 516 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: if you cut your finger, all right, But they have 517 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: been locked in a bitter custody dispute. Why is his 518 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: DNA there? And coincidentally, exactly where her blood is. See, 519 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: that's a problem for me. That's not where he lives. 520 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: That's not a home he occupies. His DNA should not 521 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: be on a kitchen faucet where her blood is. Alexis 522 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: and he hasn't lived in this house in two years. 523 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: They don't live together, he's they're not friendly. So there's 524 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: no reason for his DNA to be in the house 525 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: any longer. Obviously it could be it lasted a long time, 526 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: but to be right there on the kitchen faucet, you 527 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: washed that kitchen faucet twenty times a day every time 528 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: you use it, and so there's no reason for his 529 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: DNA to be there. And he and his girlfriend getting 530 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: caught on video thirty different times disposing of stuff nobody 531 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: normal that it has nothing to hide, is doing that. 532 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: You're not throwing your trash out in thirty different places. 533 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: That is very suspicious. Again, the lawyer for the husband 534 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: claims that Jennifer Dulos penned a five hundred page Gone 535 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: Girl esque manuscript, which he admits he has never read. 536 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: They are now claiming that she has quote quite an 537 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: imagination and motives to hurt mister Dulos. You know, I 538 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: find it really hard to believe that this mom would 539 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: be away from her five children, that she has been 540 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: battling so at rim momoniously for so long. This five 541 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: hundred page manuscript, according to her friends, it quote has 542 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,959 Speaker 1: nothing in common with Gone Girl. It was a novel, 543 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: like most of her writing, has at the heart of 544 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: it about a loving relationship. That's what they say the 545 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: novel was about. Back to Alexis Treschuk, investigative reporter with 546 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: rater online dot com, explain what's happening now. So, Jennifer's 547 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: ex husband and his girlfriend were actually arrested. They were 548 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: taken into custody by the police in connection with tampering 549 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: evidence and so misleading an investigation. That is the only 550 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: charges been leveled against them so far. According to the 551 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: husband's lawyer, that missing Connecticut mom of five Jennifer Dulos 552 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: had written a Gone Girl script. Why is that significant 553 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: a Gone Girl novel? Because Gone Girl is about a woman, 554 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: that married woman that stages her own apparent murder and disappearance, 555 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: pointing the finger in her own husband, and then she 556 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: miraculously shows up at the end, but you don't know 557 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: till the very end. He's about to be arrested for murder. 558 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: We learned that, according to sources, the husband, Photus Dulos, 559 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,240 Speaker 1: was very hard on the children, especially when it came 560 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: to water skiing, forcing them to compete. Several of the 561 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 1: children were nationally ranked ski competitors. And of course, cops 562 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: have searched a lake where Jennifer Dulo's children were allegedly 563 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: forced to water ski. To Alexis Treschuk, Alexis, what can 564 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: you tell me about state police searching a lake in 565 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: Connecticut where a strange husband of Jennifer Dulo's allegedly forced 566 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: their children to practice water skiing, including the use of 567 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,280 Speaker 1: sonar equipment to scan the lake off Old Farms Road 568 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: in Avon. And that's a very wealthy suburb of heart. 569 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: What can you tell me about forcing the children into 570 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: competitive water skiing. In her divorce documents, Jennifer claimed that 571 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: her children no longer wanted to waterski. They did not 572 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: want to be competitive water skiers, but they were too 573 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: afraid of their father to tell him that they didn't 574 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 1: want to do it. She says that he forced them 575 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: to do it, and in fact, one time, when one 576 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: of her sons said he didn't want to ski anymore, 577 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 1: that dad took the water ski and threw it against 578 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: the rocks and broke it. She said. Even the children 579 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: were afraid. They hated going there. So police descended upon 580 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: this lake searched it. They used top of the line 581 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: equipment to see if there was any way that's possibly 582 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,359 Speaker 1: her body could be in this lake. They were looking 583 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: for evidence there because it was something that was so 584 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: connected to the family, so they searched there. Alexis, Members 585 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: of the Connecticut State Police and major Crime units have 586 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: been painstakingly digging through mounds of trash inside a trash facility. 587 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: They systematically sorted through over six hundred tons of trash 588 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: and the search for Jennifer deals. But can you tell 589 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: me about that, Alexis tres Check. The state police have 590 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: said they booked on the videos where they saw Jennifer's 591 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: ex husband and girlfriend dumping the trash everywhere. They know 592 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: exactly where this trash went, so they have tracked it down. 593 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 1: They're at the big dumpster facility and they are searching 594 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: through it. They are very meticulous about it. This isn't 595 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,760 Speaker 1: just having to search through pounds and pounds of trashes 596 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: that they don't know. They know this came from the 597 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: area where these video showed them dropping trash in these receptacles. 598 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: So they are using dogs that have been trained to 599 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: search for human remains, for blood, for any sort of 600 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 1: anything that connects them to a crime scene human remains. 601 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: So they are using them, and they are having actual 602 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: people they're searching there, like twelve officers fifteen hours that 603 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: day are in there. These conditions are horrific. This is 604 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: just trash piled high to the ceiling. But they are 605 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: looking for ever, thinking everything they find, even if they 606 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 1: think it's the smallest thing. They're sending them to the 607 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 1: lab to make sure that they have covered every base 608 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,359 Speaker 1: because they're looking for any evidence of where Jennifer could be. 609 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: If you have information about the disappearance of Jennifer Dulos 610 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: right now her children are being kept under armed guard 611 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: with their grandparents, please call in the Canaan Police style 612 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: two zero three five nine four thirty five hundred repeat 613 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 1: two zero three five nine four thirty five hundred. 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