1 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Yeah, my name is Jeborimaut 2 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: the police department. About eleven am this morning on a 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: police department received information from Nina County nine one regarding 4 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: a man who had entered a business in Chadwick's, New York. 5 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: He had had a conversation with a family member and 6 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: he the information he gave to the family member was 7 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: alarming to him. It was actually his brother. His brother 8 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: then called nine one one to relay information that he 9 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: was under the impression that homicide had occurred on Belmont 10 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: Street in the city of Rome. You are hearing a 11 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: live press conference out of Rome, New York covered by 12 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: wukt V. First of all, again I starts talking to 13 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: apparently his brother at a family business, and whatever he 14 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: tells the brother makes the brother call nine one one. 15 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for 16 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: being with us. You know I don't get it before 17 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: I go any further into the fact, straight out to 18 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst out of la You know, Bethany, 19 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: I know you see it all. You know, all kemped 20 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: up in your luxury pad. They're in Beverly Hills. I mean, 21 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: I've never felt so bad about myself as when I 22 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: walked down the street. I just wanted to see what 23 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: Rodeo drive I eat Rodeo drive was. I've never seen 24 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: so many tall, skinny, perfectly blonde, straight teeth, big fake 25 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: boob women in my life. I felt awful. You know, 26 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: if I'd had a car out there, I would have 27 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: gone and hidden in it. The last thing I could 28 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: do is go into one of those stores where you 29 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: pay three hundred dollars for a skirt that you can 30 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: put one leg into. I mean, I don't know how 31 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: you do it. So my point is, I'm sure you've 32 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: heard it all, But what does it say to you 33 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: when a guy goes into like a family owned business 34 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: and starts yaking to the point his own brother calls 35 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: nine one wood, I'm an idiot. I believe he went 36 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: with his two year old, four year old and five 37 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: year old Nancy. It tells me that, as is the 38 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: case with most criminals, he is kind of stupid. I mean, 39 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: he has no cause and effects thinking, he does not 40 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: have a grasp on the big picture to commit the crime. 41 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: He begins to try to cover up the story by 42 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: running straight to his brother's business and telling him a 43 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: story that absolutely makes no sense at all. And the 44 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: sad thing is that this perpetrator probably believed the story 45 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: he was telling by the time he told it, and 46 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: he thought that his brother would believe him too. But 47 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: we see this with criminals, right. They have a hard 48 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: time anticipating that other people will have insight into the 49 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: stupidity of their actions. Speak of the police press conference. 50 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: Now you know there's a glaring, a glaring let me 51 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: just say clue. Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor Extraordinaire, author of 52 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: red Flags on Amazon. Here's a red flag for you, Andy. 53 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: He shows up at the family business with all of 54 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: his children, but one person is clearly missing. You've got 55 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: the dad, You've got all the children. Uh, where's mommy? 56 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: Take a listen to more of that police presser and 57 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: found some circumstances that are suspicious to us and indicative 58 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: of the aftermath of a serious crime. There was no 59 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: one home at that time. As a result of that 60 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: initial response, in subsequent investigations, several people have been interviewed, 61 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: including a gentleman that is known as Jason Tifoglio, and 62 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: we are questioning him at this time regarding the disappearance 63 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: and what we believed to be the homicide of Kerry 64 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: Lee l. I mean, why did they talk like that. 65 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: I've got to ask you that, Wendy Patrick. They say, 66 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: circumstances indicative of a serious crime. Translation. We found the 67 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: house that looked like it was ransacked. There was blood everywhere, 68 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: the furniture was upside down, clearly, there was a sign 69 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: of a struggle, and there was a knife lying on 70 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: the kitchen table dripping blood. Instead, they say circumstances indicative 71 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: of a serious crime. Okay, explain that cop. Talk to me. Hey, look, 72 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: I've had to do it myself before. But why do 73 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: they talk like that, Wendy. Yeah. Part of the same 74 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: reason that we have to talk like that sometimes impressors 75 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: is it's this pre trial publicity is wanting to make 76 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: sure that the defendant gets a fair trial and that 77 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: everybody's innocent until proven guilty. And it's hard to restrain 78 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: ourselves when we know what the facts are and we 79 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: know how bad the circumstantial evidence looks. To sort of 80 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: sanitize it and make it clinical enough to where you're 81 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: actually able to talk to the press about it and 82 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,559 Speaker 1: not be accused of attempting to prejudice an upcoming y pool. 83 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: And you're right about the you know, coming into this business. 84 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: I gotta laugh though, Nancy, you talk about these blonde 85 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: perfect you are beautiful, so it's it's hard to hear 86 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: you say that you would go and hide in your car. 87 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: But be that as it may, be, that as it 88 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: may When you do have the family coming into the 89 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: store all together like that, you know, family members, sometimes 90 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: we say willful blindness. You don't want to see that 91 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: a loved one is actually culpable of committing a crime 92 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: like this. On the other hand, when the emotional dynamics 93 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: change to such an extent that you cannot deny that 94 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:35,559 Speaker 1: somebody's absence leads to some nefarious conclusion, that's also very telling, 95 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: and that no doubt explains why the brother called the police. 96 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: Want to go to crime online dot Com investigative reporter 97 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: Levi Page Levi, I want to start this at the 98 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: very beginning, okay, because I got carried away with him 99 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: sauntering over to the family business and yacking to the 100 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: extent that the brother calls nine one one, Okay. I 101 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: want to start at the beginning, the who, what, where, when, why? 102 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: And then I'll take it from there. Who is this 103 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: guy they keep talking about? Rome? Is Rome New York 104 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: and they every state has a Rome. There's a Rome Georgia. 105 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: They refer to themselves as Romans. Okay, as do I. 106 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: But this is Rome, New York. What do we know 107 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: about Rome, New York? What do you know about this 108 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: scenario where this guy, Jason Devoglio goes into the family 109 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: business and essentially starts bracket. So this is about four 110 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: and a half hours north of New York City and 111 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: where they live in Rome, New York. It's actually a 112 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: very quaint home. The neighborhood is lined with trees. It 113 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: seems very quiet and peaceful, not something that you not 114 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: a place where you would think of brutal murder would 115 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: go down. But that is what police think happened. Okay, 116 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: wait wait wait wa wa wa wa wa. You got 117 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: me at tree lined Okay, because okay, doctor Bethany Marshall, 118 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: I know you hate when I do this, but I'm 119 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: going back in time to where I grew up. They 120 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: were only about three or four houses max in you know, 121 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: two hundred acres, and it was tree lined, all right. 122 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: It was a red dirt road and it was awesome. 123 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: We could ride our bikes after school as long as 124 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: we wanted. We could, you know, slash through creeks and streams. 125 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: We could be able to pinestraw forts and yes, throw 126 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: pine cones at each other. I mean our dogs. We 127 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: could run around with them. I mean we just when 128 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: I hear tree line, now I know, and I'm going 129 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: to go back to leave my page on this. We 130 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: say this tree line, it sounds like kind of a 131 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: subdivision where trees are intentionally built along the street. But 132 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: it sounds so like I want to go there. I 133 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: just want to go late in somebody's hammock in the backyard, 134 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: and she'll acts, that's what it sounds like. And it's 135 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: hard for people to see. That's the problem at trial, 136 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: which I'll circle back to Wendy Patrick, n and Karen Smith. 137 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: But it's hard to tell you in that there's a 138 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: potential murder down the street. In your quote tree line neighborhood, 139 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: Levi Page is describing. And yet Nancy, when you look 140 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: at the profile of men who kill, one of the 141 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: things you read is that they are usually middle aged 142 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: family men to four children in suburbs, and they drive 143 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: family vehicles. That's one of the things that always stick. 144 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: It sounds like you're describing David Lynch. Go ahead, can 145 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: you tell me so? The profile is of a person 146 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: who lives in an idelic neighborhood. It is not some 147 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: guy lurking on the street corner in a trench coat. 148 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: It's not a man who's so antisocial that he never 149 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: gets married, never has children. These men have a veneer 150 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: of assability and sociability. They can be ministers, parmickchanics, policemen, 151 00:08:55,600 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: but Nancy, they almost always have wives and children, murderers too, 152 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: So they are an idea. Like you know, you're totally 153 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: freaking me out as usual, doctor Bethany, at least for 154 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: what's so far anyway, you haven't tied it to Santo masochism. 155 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: I'm just waiting on that. But Wendy Patrick right now, 156 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: California prosecutor, author of Red Flags on Amazon, she's absolutely 157 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: right as usual. You know, I wish I could catch 158 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: her being wrong just once, but so far I haven't. 159 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, you know that reminds me of what she's saying, 160 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, BTK Treeline neighborhood, wife, children, he was a 161 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: dog catcher, and a big deal in his church. Wendy. Yeah, 162 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: and you know you talk about this. This is the 163 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: the axe murderer next door. This is the exact same 164 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: circumstance that we see repeatedly where when you actually look 165 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: below the surface, even though they have jobs and they 166 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: have wives and they have kids, when you look below 167 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: the surface, there are still those signs of psychopathy. You know, 168 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: when doctor Bethany would know more than I about the 169 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: actual the clinical signs that the family members would see, 170 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: but they've got to see them. There's no way that 171 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: you have just this. You know, sometimes they even do 172 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: go to church, but there's no fruit. There's no outward 173 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: sense that this is a good person. In fact, quite 174 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: to the contrary, when you look and actually talk to 175 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: the co workers, to the family members, to the wife, 176 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: all of those signs are there. But again unless the 177 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: something actually happens, or I should say until until something 178 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: actually happens, you almost want to look the other way 179 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: and mute these red flags to where they become. You know, 180 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: you're wearing rose colored glasses instead of your reading glasses. 181 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: And that's why it's not that you don't see them, 182 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: but you don't report them. Crime stories with Nancy Grace No. 183 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: Police say Jason Diavolio went to his brother's business in 184 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: Chadwick's Monday morning along with him and Karen Le's three 185 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: young children. After that, police say Jason's brother called nine 186 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: one one. Jason shared alarming information that a homicide may 187 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: have occurred on Belmont Street. Welcome back, everybody, I mean it. 188 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: See Grace. This his crime stories. A an Upstate suburban 189 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: dad of three goes to the family business and talks 190 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: in a way that makes his own brother call nine 191 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: one one. He's got his three children in tow with him. 192 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: They're all very, very young. Someone is obviously missing. It's 193 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: like cutting a head off a body in the church 194 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: directory picture. Mommy is gone. Joining me right now, Wendy Patrick, 195 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: California prosecutor, author of Read Flags on Amazon, doctor Bethany Marshall, 196 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: renowned psychoanalysts out of La joining me, really well known 197 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: forensic expert Karen Smith, founder of Bare Bones Consulting. But 198 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: right now, to Crimeline dot Com investigative reporter Levi Page, 199 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: we keep saying family business, family business, family business. What 200 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: can you tell me about that his brother worked in 201 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: an auto shop and after police believe that he killed 202 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: his wife. He showed up at this auto shop and 203 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: started talking to his brother about how he says, his wife, 204 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: twenty eight year old Carolite Davaglio, killed herself, and he 205 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: cleaned up the scene the home, took the weapon that 206 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: she used and disposed of it, and then threw her 207 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: body away in a dumpster. That's what he told his brother. 208 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: His brother was understandably very alarmed, and he picked up 209 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: the telephone and he called nine one one. Hey, stop 210 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: right there, stop right there. Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. 211 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm drinking out of a fire, Hijah 212 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: Leavi page. Okay. He goes, did you say it's auto 213 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: salvage or what kind of family business is it? It's 214 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: an auto shop. I think it's like a repair shop, 215 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: repair shop, Okay. So he goes in with this shildren 216 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: and he says what he says, that his wife killed herself, 217 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: that she shot herself, and that he cleaned up the home, 218 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: got rid of the gun, through it in a canal, 219 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: and then to her body and put it in a dumpster. 220 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: And then his brother called nine one, and that's when 221 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: police showed up and arrested him as a matter of fact, 222 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend at Eyewitness News, Ben Dennis. 223 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: Approximately shortly after eight o'clock our dive team arrived set 224 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: up on the shore of the Bard's Canal, and I 225 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: believe around nine am or shortly thereafter, the weapon was recovered. 226 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 1: It was a relatively new weapon, hadn't been in the 227 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: water very long. It is evidence believed to be part 228 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,719 Speaker 1: of their case. Therefore, we recovered it, secured it, and 229 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: then obviously the evidence was transferred to the Rome Police Department. Wow, 230 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,599 Speaker 1: it's just like you said, Levi Page. I want to 231 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: go straight out to Karen Smith, forensics expert. I mean, 232 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: it's usually a simple matter of comparing ballistics one gun 233 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: to a bullet five, but in this case there's no 234 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: body yet anyway. So the other thing is, did you 235 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: hear what he said? They had to bring out a dog. 236 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: I've team now before I had the twins. I have 237 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 1: not done this since I had the twins. They've got 238 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: on a lot of snorkeling and a lot of deep 239 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: water snorkeling together, where there's devices that you can actually 240 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: go down underwater and you're a snorkel tube will close 241 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: and you can stay under water, you know, as long 242 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: as you haul your breath. But no diving. No diving 243 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: since the twins came. But can I tell you, in 244 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: a lake such as this, it's really hard to see 245 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: due to sediment on the bottom of the lake. But 246 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: they manage to find a gun. How hard is that, 247 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: Karen Smith? It's not easy, and you're right, the visibility 248 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: would be extraordinarily limited. You're dealing with touch and feel here. 249 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: It's not going to be so much lake water. You know, 250 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: we've all seen lakes, We've all most of us have 251 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: been swimming in lakes. It's not you know, I'm always 252 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: worried about a turtle or something, you know, pinching me 253 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: or coming up and swimming around me. That's why I 254 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: don't like lakes when they But when you're looking for 255 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: an item such as a gun or a rifle or 256 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: whatever was used, it's touch and feel and you use 257 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: a grid search. You start in one area, you flag it, 258 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: you put out lines if you have to, you follow 259 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: those lines, and you literally go along the bottom and 260 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: you feel for any items. And apparently they were very 261 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: successful and within a couple of hours they found the gun. 262 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: So kudos to them. They did a great job. So 263 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: back to the scene. You got to figure out the 264 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: scene of what we think is a crime. You got 265 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: to find out if there are any bullets there, where 266 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: is the Mom's just this some crazy story he's come 267 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: up with. Back to Levi page and I hear you 268 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: say he told his brother that his wife, Kia Lee, 269 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: committed suicide, that she shot herself dead. That what he said. Yes, 270 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: that's what he told his brother. And he also told 271 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: law enforcement that as well. Okay. And then he said 272 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: that not only did she kill herself, that he then 273 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: cleaned up the scene and hid the body. And I 274 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: get that right, Levi, Yes, and hid the gun through 275 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: the gun in the canal. And law enforcement say when 276 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: they found that gun in the canal that they examined 277 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: it and it appeared that it had not been in 278 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: the canal very long at all. Okay, So explain something 279 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: to me, doctor Bethany Marshall. If somebody commits suicide or 280 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: somebody's your upstad I got Jackie Howard here in the studio. 281 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: No offense, Jackie, But if you kill over, I'm not 282 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: going to go hide your body in a dump. Thank 283 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: You're welcome, and you get rid of whatever you're drinking 284 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: in that cup right there, that massive, gigantic cup. I 285 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: don't know what's saying there A strong suspicions, but I'm 286 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: not going to try to quote get rid of the evidence, 287 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany. That sounds like a load of Let me 288 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: just say b S technical legal term. You know. The 289 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: only explanation I can go back to, Nancy is something 290 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: I've said so many times on your show before. We 291 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: know in the field of psychology that sociopaths are born 292 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: with less anxiety than the rest of the population, and 293 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: because they have low levels of anxiety, they never think 294 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: they're going to get caught and they make stupid decisions. 295 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: Anxiety is what causes the conscience to form, Like when 296 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: we're little and we do something bad and then we're 297 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: afraid that mommy will be mad at us and mommy 298 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: will withdraw her love. Many of these interactions with our 299 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: mothers throughout development cause the conscience to form. Sociopaths miss 300 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: out on this whole process because they have low levels 301 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: of anxiety about getting into trouble, so they would do 302 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: something like clean up the scene, tell a big fat 303 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: lie about it, think that nobody will see through because 304 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: they don't really feel the weight of what they've done. 305 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: You and I would be terrible. First of all, we 306 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't do it, But secondly we would be so terrified. 307 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: If I walk down the street or I'm driving my 308 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: car and I see a police officer, I think I've 309 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: done something wrong. I mean, my anxiety level is high 310 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: about these kinds of things. The sociopath has no anxiety 311 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: at all. Another issue, dot do Bethany Marshall. He comes 312 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: in and tells this to his brother, like to see 313 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: actually think the brother is going to cover for him 314 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: in an alleged homicide of his sister in law, the 315 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: mother of these three little children. I mean, you know 316 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: how all the children are, right, Massilie two, four and five? 317 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: Is my understanding? Yeah, Nancy. It could be one of 318 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: two things or bulls. One is that he's beginning to 319 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: build a narrative to cover the crime. The other is 320 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: that he's so pleased with himself he wants to go 321 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: and break about it. My cat killed the mouse the 322 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: other day, brought the mouse in, started throwing it around. 323 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: The cat looked so fat and happy that he brought 324 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,959 Speaker 1: me this gift that he had killed mouse. I somehow. 325 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: I sometimes think sociopaths feel like that after they've killed somebody, 326 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: that they kind of there's a quality of gloating, there's 327 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: a quality of having enjoyed the experience. And I understand 328 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: these two were going through a divorce, so there could 329 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: be this additional motive of not wanting to divide assets 330 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: and I'm not wanting the white today, and then a 331 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: period of relief after having killed her. So then he 332 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: goes and breaks to the brother. Hi, guys, Nancy Grace 333 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: here a beautiful mom of two. In fact, I call 334 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: her a Reese Witherspoon look alike because in a lot 335 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: of pictures that's exactly who she looks like. The mother 336 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: of two beautiful little children, including an eight year old 337 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: little girl, is found dead in a bloody bathtub a 338 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: slip and fall, and her eight year old daughter Anna 339 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: is the one that found her. This Saturday, six o'clock Eastern, 340 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: five Central on Oxygen Injuice with Nancy Grace, we investigate 341 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: the death of Shelley Danishevsky because I do not believe 342 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: this was a slip and fall, and from what I 343 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: can see, there has been a grave injustice on many levels. 344 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: Please join us in a search for the truth. This Saturday, 345 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: six pm Eastern, five Central Injustice with Nancy Grace. Thanks guys, 346 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are still conducting interviews 347 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: with him and we are trying to locate the location 348 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: where we believe that he placed her body. Where we 349 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: would like to help from the public is information is 350 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: being given to us that her body may have been 351 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: placed in a dumpster somewhere within the city of Rome. 352 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: We had patrols actively checking every dumpster that we could 353 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: come across in the city. However, if there is a 354 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: business out there or people live in a housing development 355 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: that of dumpsters, if they're comfortable looking at those dumpsters 356 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: in case we missed it, and if they find anything 357 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: that's suspicious in nature at all, please do not touch it. 358 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 1: Call ther Olle Police Department right away. You are hearing 359 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: a police press conference. Square cops are begging people to 360 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: search for this young mom, Kirelee Develio's body. Can you 361 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: imagine her family must just be horrified and one day 362 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: what her children, who are all under a five and 363 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: under are gonna look at all this and reread it online. 364 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: Where everyone's being asked to search for their mother's body. Oh, 365 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: they're searching dumpsters, They're searching trash cans, begging people to 366 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: look for her, this gorgeous young mom of three. In 367 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: the meanwhile, the husband, Jason Devilio, says his wife, his 368 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: young wife committed suicide, and he took it upon himself 369 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: to clean up the sane dispose of her suicide weapon. 370 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: Straight out to Karen smith Ensi, expert founder of Beer 371 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: Bones Consulting, you know, searching a landfill a dump is 372 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: a daunting, overwhelming task. I just can't describe it. I 373 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: mean people that go out and search, if they're not 374 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: in a hazmat suit, they actually will pass out from 375 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: the fumes. Explain how you go about searching a dump 376 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: it is. I've done it a number of times, one 377 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: for a six month old, maybe another for a torso, 378 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: and other times for murder weapons, so I can tell 379 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: you that you're right. It is a sensory overload experience 380 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: in every aspect. It's hot. You know, there's vultures and 381 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: seagulls picking up god knows what and flying off with it, 382 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: and you are dealing with an enormous amount of refuse. 383 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: The thing about landfills, though, is that they're actually gritted out, 384 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: and they're a fairly organized place. It's not like trash 385 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: is just randomly dumped there. So depending on where apparently 386 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: he placed her body, they're going to follow that truck 387 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: that is scheduled to pick up that dumpster. That truck 388 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: has then scheduled to dump in a certain place in 389 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: that landfill. So they're not dealing with, you know, a 390 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: square mile worth of landfill trash. They're going to be 391 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: dealing with maybe a few tennis courts sized area. Even 392 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: though that is still an ungodly amount of trash to 393 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: go through, it does narrow down the possibilities of finding her. 394 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: It's just so overwhelming. I remember the first time I 395 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: was involved with a landfill, a dump search. It is overwhelming. 396 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: That leads me to this heartbreaking conclusion. Here at the 397 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: Ava landfill where Rome Police believe, with the assistance of 398 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: State Police cadaver dogs, they have found the body of 399 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: thirty two year old Carrie. Lead Devolio of Rome will 400 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: take a look at the activity behind me. Oft in 401 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: the distance, you might be able to see a black 402 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: and white Rome police cruiser a little to the left 403 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: of that as a minivan which could be a coroner's van, 404 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: but we're simply not close enough to make that determination 405 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: for sure. But again, police still on the scene here 406 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: at the Ava landfill. You're hearing from our friend at 407 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: w KTV. That's Jolene Ferris straight out to crime online 408 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter at levipage. What can you tell 409 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: me about the landfill and how they found the body. 410 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: We're talking about the body of Kerley Devilio, the mother 411 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: of three. Before they found the body, Jason Devoglio actually 412 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: led police to the dumpster where he said he put 413 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: his wife, but the sanitation workers had transported it to 414 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: the landfill, and that's when they had to go to 415 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: the landfill and sift through everything to find her body, 416 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: which was wrapped in a bedsheet when they found it. 417 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: With me Levipage, crime online dot Com investigative reporter, I'm 418 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: looking at the video of the search. First, I see there, 419 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: as you described, tree lined neighborhood. It looks like the 420 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: perfect place to raise children. And then the very next 421 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: thing you see is a giant landfield. I mean how tall, 422 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: how many feet highs that trash lead It's very high, 423 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 1: and it's just sickening to think about and law enforcement 424 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: has said, whatever happened in that home, that the children two, 425 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: four and five were there in the home when it happened, 426 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: and that's the most tragic aspect of this case, besides 427 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: what happened, that the children were there and they could 428 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: have possibly witnessed it well. As a matter of fact, 429 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: take a listen to Jason Palace at w KTV. Autopsy 430 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: could help police learn more about how the role mother 431 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: of three died. It could also lead to more charges 432 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: for her husband at your top story here on this 433 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: Wednesday afternoon. The body of Carrie Lee the Bolo was 434 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: uncovered on Tuesday at the Adle Landfill, Nita County. Sheriff's 435 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: dive team found a long gun in the Bars Canal 436 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: under the Mill Stry Bridge in Rome. Carry Lee and 437 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: her husband, Jason Devolio. We're going through a divorce now, 438 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: police say. Jason began giving various versions of events. The 439 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: couple's daughters, ages two, four and five years old, are 440 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: safe in the care of relatives. It's still unknown though, 441 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: what if anything, they witnessed. Well, you know, as Levi 442 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: Page Crime online dot Com investigative reporter is describing the 443 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: children of five and under I mean, doctor Bethany Marshall, 444 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: do you remember the case of Susan Powell, her husband 445 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: Josh Powell. Susan goes missing in the middle of the night. 446 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: It's freezing cold outside. Josh Powell, the husband, says that 447 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: he's taken the boys spur of the moment camping. It's freezing, 448 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: there's snow on the ground. When asked to describe what 449 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: happened that night, the children really couldn't say much, but 450 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: they drew pictures of themgoing camping and mommy is in 451 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 1: the car trunk. Nancy, this sounds like so many other 452 00:26:54,440 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: stories you've covered where father takes underaged children on some 453 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: crazy wild trip as a cover for the fact that 454 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: he's killed his wife. I mean, doesn't this sounds have 455 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: a familiar ring to it, and there's poor children being 456 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: dread out into the wilderness. You know, one of the 457 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: things we see in domestic homicides is that there is 458 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: a period of domestic violence, generally that precedes the crime, 459 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: and in the midst of these domestic incidents that the 460 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: children are used as pawns. Right. We see this again 461 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: and again, and sometimes the children are killed along with 462 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: the mother. I mean, I would just say in this case, 463 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: thank God that the children are still alive, because they 464 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: could have been victims of homicide too. This is what 465 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: we know right now. The body of this young mom 466 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: of three, Kierley Delio, has been uncovered in the ava landfield. 467 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: Her husband, Jason Devilio, claims she killed herself. But I mean, 468 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: the reality, Karen Smith, how do you kill yourself with 469 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: a long gun a rifle? What rig it up with string? 470 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: Sheet yourself with your toe? I mean, you can't hold 471 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: it at a distance and pull the trigger on yourself. 472 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: So the story is fantastical, Karen Smill, I mean, talk 473 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: to me about suicide by long gun. I've seen it. 474 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: It's not easy. You know, under the chin it's possible 475 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: with bum pulling the trigger. It's unlikely. It's highly, highly unlikely. 476 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: And you know what, Nancy, Now that they've recovered her body, 477 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: that's a crime scene in itself. Now they have a 478 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: secondary crime scene. Her body is going to go in 479 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: for autopsy and they're going to do an assessment of 480 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: where the bullet entered, where the bullet exited, and that 481 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: is going to tell a huge part of the story 482 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: in itself, along with the crime scene back at the house. 483 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: So the forensics are going to tell the entire story 484 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: of this case from top to bottom, from the ballistics 485 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: to the trajectory to any blood stains left at the 486 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: crime scene. Those forensic technicians have their work cut out 487 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: for them, but I think the story is going to 488 00:28:54,200 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: unfold in quick time crime stories with Nancy Grace. Investigators 489 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: will also look to cell phones and other electronics gathered 490 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: to tell them about potential motive what might have led 491 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: to carry lead Devolio's killing. District Attorney mcnamaro believes the 492 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: couple's children, ages two, four, and five, were in the 493 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: home at the time, but doesn't know if they saw 494 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: their mother shot. There will be a time where we'll 495 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,719 Speaker 1: use the investigators that are properly trained to interview children, 496 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: but I don't know if this is the time. I'm 497 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,959 Speaker 1: not going to ask anybody to go back and hit 498 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: these kids up with a hard interview. At this you're 499 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: hearing law enforcement speaking to our friend at w KTV 500 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: reporter Jolene Ferris, the children most likely were home. If 501 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: not home, then where the body of Kerley Devolio has 502 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: been uncovered at the Ava landfill. Her husband, Jason Devilio 503 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: claims she killed herself and he took it upon himself 504 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: to clean up the crime scene and dispose of the 505 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: body and the suicide the so called suicide weapon. Levi Page, 506 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: weren't you telling me? Levi Page with me crime online 507 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter where you can read about this 508 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: at all other breaking crime and justice news. Levin, didn't 509 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: you mention to me that they were in the midst 510 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: of a divorce. They were in the early stages of 511 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: a divorce, and people are wondering what could motivate this 512 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: man to possibly kill his wife. Divorce could be a motive. 513 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: I checked out her Facebook and she had reverted back 514 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: to her maiden name on Facebook. So I'm wondering, is 515 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: it possible that she was ready to move on and 516 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: he was not ready to move on and that is 517 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: what spurred this anger and possible murder? Well, speaking of 518 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: this cut thirteen, speaking of the children, can you imagine 519 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: but in a couple of years, My children are like 520 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: little monkeys when it comes to the phone, the TV, 521 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: the iPad. They can tell me anything I want to know. 522 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: They're all over it. There's no way to keep these 523 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: children curely. Devilio's children from finding out what happened. I 524 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: wonder what their response is going to be and how 525 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: they're going to digest hearing this from WKTV. This is 526 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: Joeyne Ferris a Channel two. It's of activity this morning 527 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: regarding the search for this missing mother of three. Heartbreaking 528 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: conclusion here at the Ava landfill. Like you just said, 529 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: we're Rome Police believe, with the assistance of State police 530 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: cadaver dogs, they have found the body of thirty two 531 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: year old Carrie lead Devolio of Rome. We'll take a 532 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: look at the activity behind me. Oft in the distance, 533 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: you might be able to see a black and white 534 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: Rome police cruiser a little to the left of that 535 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: as a minivan which could be a coroner's van, but 536 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: we're simply not close enough to make that determination for sure. 537 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: But again, police still on the scene here the Ava Landfill. 538 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: Earlier today, about an hour and a half ago in Rome, 539 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: we caught up with the Oneida County Sheriff's Department. They 540 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: were searching the barge canal in an area beneath the 541 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: Mill Street Bridge, where after about an hour of searching, 542 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: they found a long gun which fit the description of 543 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: the gun Rome Police had asked them to search for 544 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: in connection with this case, I can only imagine dotor 545 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall when those children get old enough to go 546 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: online and hear the reports from our friend Jolne Ferris 547 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: Well Nancy. Not only do they face the trauma of 548 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: the loss of their mother, but one of the ways 549 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: children overcome trauma and have the resiliency to move on 550 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: throughout the lifespan is that the relationship with family members 551 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: comforts them, protects them, gives them a feeling of security 552 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: so that they can get over the trauma. Well, now 553 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: they've lost that key figure in their life who would 554 00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: be the one person to help them with their trauma. 555 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: Their mother, their father's going to go to prison, and 556 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: they're going to be placed with relatives or foster care 557 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: or with some family that's not a first degree relative. 558 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: So I would say reading about the homicide is just 559 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: only the beginning. It's going to be all that disrupted 560 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: attachments as they're moved out into different homes and possibly 561 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: even separated. That's where the real tragedy lies. In my 562 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: mind right now, I believe Lea vi Page that they 563 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: are with Kirolee's family. They are with her sister, the 564 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: victim's sister. That is the children are with and Nancy, 565 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: you know what I'm thinking of. There was a case 566 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: that I was reading about out of Florida where this 567 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: young man he was in his twenties, but he was 568 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: a toddler when his father was suspected of killing his mother. 569 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're gonna say. And he goes 570 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: back to the childhood home and they start digging and 571 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: they find the mom skull at my pool, right. So 572 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: sad about that case is very early on in the investigation, Nancy, 573 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: that little boy told child Protective Services that daddy hurt mommy, 574 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: but they did not charge that husband until he actually 575 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: sued his father for wrongful death. And they went to 576 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: the home and he was remodeling it and they were 577 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: digging in the backyard and he discovered his own mother's 578 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: skull and that's when they charged him. And I think 579 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: that if the kids know something and they say something, 580 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: that we should take that very serious. You know, you're 581 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,720 Speaker 1: scaring me because we are now reading each other's mind. 582 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: And you're right, no one took him seriously, and he 583 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: grows up knowing what he thinks he learned as a child. 584 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: This guy finds his mom's skull in his childhood backyard 585 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: twenty years after telling police Daddy hurt mommy. It was 586 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. I remember it clearly, and it was Michael 587 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: Ham and the jury convicted him and the slaying. The 588 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: murder was back in nineteen ninety three. He got a 589 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: good memory. Leave by page. I mean, just read about that. 590 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: And in this case, police and prosecutors say Jason Devilio 591 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: leads them to the dumpster, they find his wife's body. 592 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 1: They go to I said late earlier it's a canal, 593 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: but same scenario, very hard to dive in murky waterne 594 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: canal where he allegedly dumps the gun that she used 595 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,760 Speaker 1: in her quote suicide. He says, his wife killed herself, 596 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 1: then he disposed of her body, disposed of the weapon 597 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: she used to kill herself, and then took it upon himself. 598 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: What a neat nick to clean up the residence. That 599 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 1: is what law enforcement is saying. They also going to say, quote, 600 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: we've seen a lot of suicide. I don't remember a 601 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: family disposing of the body or the weapon us and 602 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: then cleaning up the scene. You know, why is it? 603 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, You're the shrink. Why is it that 604 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: men suddenly turned into neat Nick's when their wife quote 605 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: goes missing. Well, you know, I can't imagine what this 606 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: house actually look like. I mean, what he thinks is 607 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: leaning up a crime scene versus the reality of how 608 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: that house appeared or probably two different things. And as 609 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: Wendy said earlier, you know with this police talk, sometimes 610 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: the POI officer will make it sound like, oh, that 611 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: the house was I can't do the police talk, but 612 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: you know, they minimize the reality of what the crime 613 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: scene looks like. In this case, I bet it wasn't 614 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: neat I bet there was blood spatter, as you said, 615 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: furniture was overturned, chaos, and the idea that he cleaned 616 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: up was probably one more shallow sociopathic concept like breaking 617 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: about the crime or saying that his wife killed herself. 618 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: It's not credible, it's shallow, it doesn't hold up. You know, 619 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: there's only one story that doesn't change, and that's the 620 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 1: truthful story. And in this case, there's no truth to 621 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,879 Speaker 1: anything he said. Take a listen to eyewitness Knees bent Innis. 622 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: Forty eight year old Jason Devolio has pleaded not guilty 623 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: for that fellow any charge concealment of a human corpse 624 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: after his wife, thirty two year old care Lead Davolio, 625 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: was found at the Nida County Landfill in Ava today 626 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: and during his appearance, he waved his felony exam hearing, 627 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: meaning the case heads over to the Uida County District 628 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 1: Attorney's office. Jason's bail was set at ten thousand dollars 629 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: cash or twenty thousand dollars bard. Now what you see 630 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 1: on your screen our images of Kareley Devolio's home on 631 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: Belmont Street in Rome, which police still had roped off 632 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: this morning. Mister Devolio went missing around went missing Saturday 633 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 1: the twenty seventh, and just this morning, the Unida County 634 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office located a long gun in the barge canal 635 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: that matched the description of a gun Rome police were 636 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: searching for after interviewing Jason Devoli. Right now, our prayers 637 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: with those three children in the family of Kireley Devolio. 638 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: We wait as justice and false Nancy Gray's crime story 639 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,479 Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,