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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I'll

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Speaker 1: be your host, Emily Simpson with my co host Jane

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Speaker 1: and today we have a special guest. If you're a

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Speaker 1: real Housewife fan, you will know Dolores. I don't even

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Speaker 1: need to say the last name.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Hi. How's it going. I'm so excited to

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Speaker 2: be with you. I have not been away with you

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Speaker 2: in a long time. I was talking last night and

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Speaker 2: I said, our last time we were together together was

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Speaker 2: Andy's baby shower. Yeah, and then, you know, briefly at

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Speaker 2: Bravo Con. But that's just great.

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Speaker 1: You don't have time to socialize a Bravo con. It's

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Speaker 1: in passing, right, Hi, It's good to see you.

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Speaker 2: It's three days of running it is. Are we excited

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Speaker 2: for this year? Yeah? You know.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a lot of work, but I enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'll tell you I enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you agree with me.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times when you film Housewives, the only

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Speaker 1: feedback you get is from social media. And we talked

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Speaker 1: about this yesterday. And when you get feedback from social media,

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Speaker 1: let's be honest, ninety five percent of it is negative.

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Speaker 2: I know, right, But you know, it's really social media

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Speaker 2: is a very small drop in the bucket. It is.

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Speaker 2: It is so when I first started, I remember Noah

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Speaker 2: saying that to me. I forget what the issue was

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Speaker 2: with social media at the time. Yeah, and any of

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Speaker 2: you who don't know Noah, we know him. He's the

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Speaker 2: big boss, he's a big shot. So I remember him saying,

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Speaker 2: it's just a really small portion of the people that

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Speaker 2: watch the show, because everyone that watches it. Of course,

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Speaker 2: my mother watches the show, she's not comment right, well

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Speaker 2: now she is. Yeah, yeah, But I think that was

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Speaker 2: the point of bravocon for me, is that a lot

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Speaker 2: of times the only feedback you get is on social media,

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Speaker 2: right right, So you're saying everybody, and it's so nice

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Speaker 2: to just have so many fans that are like, I

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Speaker 2: love the show, I love you, how's your mother in law?

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Speaker 2: How's Annabel doing? And you're like, oh, people do watch

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Speaker 2: it and just enjoy it and then go to bed. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know, it's nice to see. That's nice.

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Speaker 1: It's nice to get a lot of positive feedback. So

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Speaker 1: I really Bravo con So, all right, anyway, let's go

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Speaker 1: into We're going to start with a little update on

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Speaker 1: Lively and Baldoni. I thought this was really interesting because,

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Speaker 1: as we talked about last time we did an update,

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift was subpoenaed in this case, wanted to now

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Speaker 1: a part of this who absolutely wanted nothing to do

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Speaker 2: They weren't even friends anymore because she was dragged into it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I believe you know, of course it's just the

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Speaker 1: rumor mill, but I've read a lot of articles that

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Speaker 1: not friends anymore. So recently, Baldoni's attorney, whose name is

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Speaker 1: Brian Friedman, he filed I thought this was interesting. He

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Speaker 1: and he basically I read it, and he basically said

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Speaker 1: that someone from Taylor Swift's camp called him. He spoke

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Speaker 1: it was in this Affidavid, and basically they gave him

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Speaker 1: information that Blake Lively's attorney had reached out to Taylor

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Speaker 1: Swift's attorney and basically said, you need to post something

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Speaker 1: we're going to release ten years worth of text messages

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Speaker 1: between the two of you.

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Speaker 2: So this is what he put it in a highdamon

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Speaker 2: and I did not hear that, yes, and so he

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Speaker 1: Then he was pretty much reprimanded by the judge who

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Speaker 1: basically said, we're going to remove that from the filing.

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Speaker 1: That's nothing more than like you filing something to get

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Speaker 1: relationship between these two high power people.

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Speaker 2: Did did you hear about this?

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Speaker 1: And then after that those yes. So then but here's

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Speaker 1: my thing. Brian Freeman is a very high powered, intelligent attorney.

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Speaker 1: I've said multiple times if I am ever sued, the

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Speaker 1: first person I'm calling is Brian free Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well that's a very no data statement to make, and

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Speaker 1: So you know there's no way that he's lying. He

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Speaker 1: clearly got a phone call, he was clearly told this information.

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Speaker 1: I understand the judges trying to keep all this extra

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Speaker 2: That's a big that's not extra gossip, that's actually a threat.

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Speaker 2: It is it's a threat. It's a threat.

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Speaker 1: And now we know that the subpoena has been withdrawn

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Speaker 1: I don't think it has anything to do with that situation.

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Speaker 2: I believe she should be.

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Speaker 3: Does that mean withdrawn by Friedman, not dismissed by the right.

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Speaker 1: It was withdrawn by Brian Friedman. So Baldoni's side withdrew

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Speaker 1: the subpoena. I think it's because they got what they wanted, right, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Don't know whatever information they're looking for for the trial.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they did get copies of text messages. Maybe she

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Speaker 3: Testify.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying that maybe there was like a side deal,

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Speaker 2: which you know in court happens all the time. We'll

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Speaker 2: give you this, just leave me alone. I don't need

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Speaker 2: to be dragged into this, and quite frankly, having I

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Speaker 2: feel like having Taylor Swift there and don't you agree,

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Speaker 2: would take the attention off of what's really going on.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, it's not gonna it's not gonna help either side.

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Speaker 1: Right So, I think, in my opinion, I think Taylor

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Speaker 1: and that's why the subpoena was dropped. So now we

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Speaker 1: again at some point.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I doubt it. That's Lively in Baldoni. But that

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Speaker 2: was so good. I could be done now, I know.

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Speaker 2: I mean that was so good. I know that was

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Speaker 2: I've been busy, right.

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Speaker 1: Well, tell me, because we haven't talked about this, what

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Speaker 1: is your impression of Blake Lively? Because I went into

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Speaker 1: researching this case very neutral.

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Speaker 2: I didn't have an opinion. What I can't you could

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know really who justin Baldoni. Well, I

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 1: I read all of the filings multiple times. And my

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Speaker 2: That was my takeaway. Well, a lot of people say that,

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Speaker 2: you know, I've seen how she treats other people outside

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Speaker 2: one instance where they showed a she was in an

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Speaker 2: look up to even us. You know, we're not a listers,

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Speaker 2: but they they could you could really hurt saying No,

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, but we haven't, like we could hurt

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Speaker 2: goes congratulation on your bump, and she goes and congratulations

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Speaker 2: on yours, And you know what, who are you? You

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Speaker 2: made the girl feel bad? She was just trying to

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Speaker 2: make conversations, make conversation. That was enough for me. But

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Speaker 2: I never like liked her as an actress. You know,

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Speaker 2: her affect. It looks like she's thinking before she talks.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's just the way she talks. But it

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Speaker 2: was never overly impressed by her. And I mean, I'm

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Speaker 2: sure he's kicking himself in the ass because this was

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Speaker 2: the premire, he had to be in the basement with

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Speaker 2: for like two hours while while this was going on. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know what I think, do you want to know

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Speaker 2: what I think. Yeah, I want to know what you think.

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Speaker 2: I think that she was like falling for him. She

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Speaker 2: her husband got a wind of it. Yeah, And I

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Speaker 1: I think that's a reasonable conclusion because I've thought the

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Speaker 1: And then we do know that Ryan Reynolds was showing

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Speaker 3: We have to sue him.

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Speaker 1: You can't act like that. And now it's snowballed completely

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, And you know, that's not just my opinion,

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Speaker 2: that's been the opinion I've seen it. It just seems

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Speaker 2: I don't know about it. But I'm just thinking, what

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying that's a possible I don't know what

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Speaker 2: I feel like there was you know, and this is

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Speaker 2: I'm also drawing that conclusion to myself by things that

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Speaker 2: Jason Baldoni said, like I'm reading through the Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then even if it is accurate as you say,

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Speaker 3: Ryan was kind of inserting himself. I mean, they didn't

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Speaker 3: what are you doing? Why are you talking to him late?

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is how they handle it. They go

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Speaker 2: There's a campaign and there's egos involved.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, that's what I'm saying, is a

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Speaker 3: terrible way to handle.

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Speaker 2: It when a jealous man. You know, whenever there's a

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Speaker 2: are not rational. So there was you know, whatever, care

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Speaker 2: I could go on to this whole thing, but I'll

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Speaker 2: stop there. That's just what I thought.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the Diddy trial. We've

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Speaker 1: done other episodes on Diddy, so if you're listening to

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Speaker 1: I would suggest going back and listening to our previous episodes.

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Speaker 1: So we were on Didty Trial of week two. Here's

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Speaker 1: one of the things I just wanted to start with

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Speaker 1: because I thought this was interesting. So doctor Don Hughes,

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Speaker 2: She's never had them as a patient. She's not involved

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Speaker 2: Challenge that all they want. I've been around domestic violence

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Speaker 2: this was an extreme case of domestic violence.

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Speaker 3: I agree with everything you said. The way I saw it,

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Speaker 2: Who's gonna want me?

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Speaker 3: Maybe the next guy will treat me just the same.

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Speaker 3: And here, at least I have a roof over.

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Speaker 2: My head that is a common trait and even somebody

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Speaker 2: it's well why not, It's already been done to me,

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Speaker 3: Or this is my life?

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Speaker 2: This is my life. I have no self worth it.

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Speaker 2: It's a horrible deterioration of someone's like soul. Basically, basically,

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Speaker 2: he just slammed her soul on the ground. She was

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Speaker 3: Eighteen at the start of their relationship.

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Speaker 1: Now, the issue in this case is not to mess violence,

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Speaker 2: So that's what the prosecution is doing. That's why they're

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Speaker 1: You know that are people at hotels, so that they

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Speaker 1: In order to have these freak offs. It's not just

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Speaker 3: Not illegal to be weird.

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Speaker 2: It's not illegal or to have a fetish right to

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Speaker 2: have weird. Well, in such state it is. But what

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Speaker 2: we have, what they have.

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Speaker 1: To prove is that it's a criminal enterprise. So what

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Speaker 2: Aspect of it.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's a way to get further sentencing, right,

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Speaker 1: So you is it a criminal enterprise if you have

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Speaker 1: they're putting the lighting up, and they're they're hiring the

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Speaker 3: They're flying them out, they're organizing it, they're flying them out,

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Speaker 3: they're paying them, who's cutting them the check they're putting

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Speaker 2: It is Yeah, it's a business. But but does that

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Speaker 3: Because well, I think I think in late terms, it's

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Speaker 3: the enterprise is furthering the criminal activity, right, Okay, so

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Speaker 3: you can't disguise it did. He can't sit up there

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Speaker 3: They did. Well, they work for you. They're part of

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Speaker 2: Just like so in the mob, right, the boss gives.

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Speaker 3: The orders, right, but doesn't touch anything.

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Speaker 2: Right, But he doesn't touch anything. He's already a made guy.

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Speaker 2: If he's the boss, he's already a made guy. Right.

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Speaker 2: So now you have all his soldiers underneath him. Who

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Speaker 2: and here we talk about the Rico Act. That's what

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Speaker 3: Right, we'll see, all right.

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Speaker 1: So also during testimony, I thought this was interesting because

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Speaker 2: So during cross examination on her noss for Dinny, did

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Speaker 2: Does she have to pay taxes on tie?

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Speaker 3: I thought, what it's for If it's for injuries.

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Speaker 2: No, I guess it would be for injuries, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: To make her whole, no, So attorneys for Dinny highlighted

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Speaker 3: So no one's considering the trauma that she went through

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Speaker 1: They're disclaiming that she might wanted a financial payout. Once

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Speaker 2: Maybe twenty million doesn't go very far these days, especially

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Speaker 2: and everything else. How you know this is good? This

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Speaker 3: But I understand if she gets if she gets money

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Speaker 3: it's like she faked all this and got it, you know, right, I.

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Speaker 1: Understand, But you also understand this is on cross examination.

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Speaker 1: So this is the defense cross.

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Speaker 2: Examining her and trying to make her look like they're

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Speaker 2: She got. It's normal that they would have done this, right,

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Speaker 1: Also, in a new disclosure made during the same testimony,

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Speaker 3: Is that because the video was released?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I wanted to research more

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Speaker 1: was some negligence on their part? Did they not act.

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Speaker 2: But they did not call the cops? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That's where did they leak? And was that video leaked?

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Speaker 2: That video was leaked? We talked about this hours later.

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Speaker 2: It was right.

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Speaker 1: This wasn't twenty sixteen. The video didn't come out until

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Speaker 2: So I think they're live period. But what do you

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Speaker 2: think they're liable for? What do you think the cause

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Speaker 2: If the people watching the cameras saw this enough to

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Speaker 2: they're responsible for, responsible for the person that they hired

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Speaker 2: who also whoever leaked it, right, Well.

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Speaker 3: That's assumed, so they're and you may be correct, but

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the guard leaked and it

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Speaker 2: The hotel employee would have access to it, right, But

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Speaker 2: why have the cameras up if you're not watching to

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Speaker 3: That's exactly That's exactly it. I mean, I do think

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Speaker 3: watch in real time and call for help as needed,

437
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 3: or if they did see it, as you're suggesting, that

438
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,400
Speaker 3: would be horrific. If they see it and they don't

439
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 3: do anything about it, they should be.

440
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,879
Speaker 2: Everyone was afraid of them, and he owned everybody. Everybody, well,

441
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:41,200
Speaker 2: they said the security guard, and he tried to pay

442
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,119
Speaker 2: him off. So a security guard showed up in the.

443
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,359
Speaker 1: Hotel and went to the incident, and then did he

444
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,119
Speaker 1: threw a bag of money at him and said, basically, see.

445
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 3: Anything whether it was the video or not, there was

446
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,919
Speaker 3: some notice of this incident and violence, and the security

447
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 3: guard did attempt to make an effort to intervene gets paid.

448
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 2: Off, right, Well, he didn't take the money.

449
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 3: He didn't take the money.

450
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 2: Wow.

451
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:07,880
Speaker 1: Okay, So my question is my question is is her

452
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 1: suit where they settled for ten million? Is it negligence

453
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 1: of some sort? Is that they didn't send the security

454
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,360
Speaker 1: guard fast enough? Did he not intervene enough? Were they

455
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 1: did they have a higher duty or responsibility to protect

456
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,120
Speaker 1: her in the hallway?

457
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 3: Like what is the hotel?

458
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 2: So if nothing else, Emily, if nothing else, that video

459
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 2: was leaked from their private security system and they're liable

460
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 2: for that.

461
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 1: But but the video being leaked helped her sound the case.

462
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 2: He settled immediately. It's still but yeah, right, but leaked?

463
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 3: Is it private? I mean they're in a hotel lobby.

464
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 2: I think I think so. Like if I think it is,

465
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 2: if there was no incident report, if there was nothing

466
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 2: public about it, I would think it was. I think

467
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,679
Speaker 2: that it was their property. It was leaked, their liabel

468
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 2: for it. That's how I feel. All right, let's go

469
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 2: into a little bit about Kid Cutty. So Kid Cutty

470
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 2: testifies Kid Cutty had a relationship with Cassie Ventura. So

471
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 2: one of the most high profile witnesses in the second

472
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 2: week of testimony, right, the relationship is post well, it

473
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 2: was post Ditty, but then she went back to Ditty,

474
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 2: So he's kind of like he's kind of in there

475
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 2: during her relationship with Ditty. So in the second week

476
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 2: of testimony was rapper Kid Cutty legally known as Scott

477
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 2: mus Cutty, who briefly dated Cassie Ventura in twenty eleven.

478
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 2: Cutty testified that not long after Ditty discovered his relationship

479
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 2: with Cassie, someone broke into his La home. Weeks later,

480
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 2: his car was set on fire outside of the same residence.

481
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 2: Cutty told the jury that he later confronted Comb's during

482
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 2: a meeting at a Los Angeles hotel, asking what they

483
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 2: were going to do about the car incident. According to Cutty,

484
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 2: Combs denied knowledge of the arson, a response Cutty found unconvincing.

485
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: He also said his relationship with Ventura ended soon afterward.

486
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about the Molotov cocktail. Basically, his car

487
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 2: was cut open, it was dropped. It was a convertible Porsche.

488
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: It was in the driveway, but not before Diddy went

489
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 2: to the house. When in his home unwrapped his Christmas presence.

490
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: There was like Chanelle boxes, there was Christmas presents for

491
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: his family. He unwrapped them and called him from his

492
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: house and said, I'm in your house. And kid Cutti

493
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 2: went there. But here's the other thing that they're trying

494
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 2: to go. And the dog was put in the bathroom

495
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 2: and the dog seemed shaken up and scared because the

496
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 2: dog just saw the devil. Dogs can see things, yes,

497
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 2: so they sense things. So the dog was peeing all

498
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: over itself. I wonder if it was a pit bull.

499
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 2: I'm just curious. And the dog was in the bathroom

500
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: and Kid Cuti brought the dog out, and the dog

501
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 2: was scared, sh like how do you scare a dog

502
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 2: to that extent? You know? But he was on kid

503
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,959
Speaker 2: Cutty on the way there was afraid. He even admitted it.

504
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: He goes, I did not know what I was pulling

505
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: up to. I didn't know if he had his boys

506
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 2: with him or whatever it was, or if he was

507
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: going to kill me. Right, And so he walks in

508
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: and then he he was gone. And then shortly after

509
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 2: that is the Mazotov cocktail, right and oft.

510
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: Obviously, the point of Kid Cutty testifying to the Molotov

511
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 1: cocktail is because an earlier testimony with Cassie, she talks

512
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 1: about how Combs threatened to blow up Cuddy's car when

513
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: he learned about their relationship together.

514
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 2: He's gotten away with a lot. Yeah. Well there's the night.

515
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: Club shooting in nineteen ninety nine that's been resurfaced because

516
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: of this whole trial with Diddy. Yeah, but people are

517
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: coming forward and saying he was in the night club

518
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: he had Now, yes it was with.

519
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: J Lo, but he was acquitted. Once you're acquitted, they

520
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: can't bring you back and charge you again. Right, that's it. Yeah,

521
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: that's what I believe. I don't know. I haven't been

522
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: in the court case in court house for a long time,

523
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: but you've been out of.

524
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: The criminal court system for a while. Yeah, I've been.

525
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: Keeping it clean.

526
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: Also, what was interesting was Cassie Ventura's mother testified in court.

527
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: So we're Regina Ventura. Cassie's mother testified on May twentieth.

528
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: She told the court that Colmbs became enraged after learning

529
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: that Cassie was seeing Kid Cuddy. According to her Culmbs

530
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: threatened to release explicit videos involving Cassie as well as

531
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: to harm Cassie and Cuddy unless he was provided with

532
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars. First of all, where does he come

533
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: up with the twenty thousand? I mean, the guy's a billionaire.

534
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 2: The twenty thousand is just to me's with this. He

535
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 2: just knew it was enough to hurt them, right. And

536
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: the mother's testimony was was they said you could hear

537
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 2: a pin drop in that courtroom because she was very

538
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: soft spoken. She was like a broken mom. Yeah, afraid

539
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: for her daughter who said that they had to take

540
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: a mortgage out on their house.

541
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 3: All that time and go through all that a because

542
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 3: that's what you don't just go to the store and

543
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 3: get something like. She had to go through all the PaperWorks, qualify.

544
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 3: She had all these.

545
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: Things hoping that it doesn't hurt her.

546
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 3: Under this stress of her daughter. And what he put

547
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 3: him through for twenty grand that's like me putting someone through.

548
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 2: Nothing to do with them, had nothing to do with

549
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: the money. Sorry, correct, he's an evil press them. He

550
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: just wanted a torture them, and he did. But but

551
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: you know what they had. That mother's testimony for some

552
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: reason got to everybody. Oh and the other thing is

553
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 2: they wanted to take out the part about the dog

554
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: because some of the jurors are dog lovers, they're animal lovers,

555
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: So the judge wanted that out.

556
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 3: The judge defense the judge.

557
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: I met the defendant. Yeah right away. I said to myself,

558
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 2: he could have hurt that dog, he could have killed

559
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 2: the dog, but he didn't. But what did he do

560
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: to that dog? To meet that dog like that? I

561
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: need to know he don't have cameras in his house?

562
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 2: This guy kid cuttie, what's up? I know, I was

563
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: just thinking that. I mean, he's a rapper and he's wealthy.

564
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 2: You would think he'd have cameras. I mean it's a given,

565
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: but okay, Yeah.

566
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: Regina also testified that her daughter had emailed her about

567
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: the threats in late twenty eleven, leaving her feeling physically sick.

568
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: She filled her mother, Yeah, I know, I wanted that too,

569
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: like why didn't she just call her? But she said

570
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: she took out a hame equity loone to pay the money,

571
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: fearing for her daughter's safety. The funds were later returned

572
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: to Regina, and Cassie reportedly resumed her relationship with Combs

573
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: shortly thereafter.

574
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: So can I just say something, Cassie's girl. Most of

575
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 2: what she did was because she wanted to be with him.

576
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 2: She wanted to be his girls. She said, she wanted

577
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: to be his number one.

578
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 3: You don't have.

579
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 2: Twenty thousand dollars to give your mother to save her.

580
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: I think that's how he controlled her. I think he

581
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: probably just bought her things.

582
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: Then you don't go sell a ring, you don't go

583
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: sell a watch. I mean, unless it doesn't make sense

584
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 2: to me that she could not give her mother. She

585
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 2: couldn't come up with twenty thousand dollars to give her

586
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 2: mother by selling one gift that she got. Was he cheap?

587
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know, because I can sell

588
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: some old boyfriends and come up with some money.

589
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: The jury also viewed photos that Regina had taken of

590
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: her daughter, which depicted bruises on Cassie's body. I saw

591
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: that her testimony was brief, as Comb's attorney declined to

592
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: cross examine her. It's good that they decided not to

593
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: cross examine her, because they're going to look like bullies

594
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: if they.

595
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: And the people and she won the hearts of the

596
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: people right in the courtroom, right, and so that was

597
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: a good decision on their part to just let that go.

598
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: They're not done, they're not right. They're not defending P

599
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: Diddy because they're done. Okay.

600
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 1: I added this in because I just thought this was interesting.

601
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: So there's a hotel manager named Frederick Zamoor who also testified.

602
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: He was a general general manager of the Lehramitage Hotel

603
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: in Beverly Hills. He testified about hotel records that were

604
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: linked to Sean Ditty Combs. According to the general manager

605
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: of the hotel, the hotel profile originally created and Comb's

606
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: name in two thousand and six, underwent several name changes

607
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: over the years. You know, he changed his name to

608
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: like Frank Black, and he went by something else. He

609
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: was always changing names. No Diddy, So whenever he would

610
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: check into these hotels, he would use an alias. Obviously

611
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't check in.

612
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: It's just entirely.

613
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: Right.

614
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: But I like, I like, this is the part that

615
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: I enjoy. The jury was also shown internal hotel notes

616
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: that documented concerns about Comb stays, which included these are

617
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 1: notes that the hotel has in the computer system.

618
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: Make sure you have Kylly and please monitor outside his

619
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: room and down the hall to spray air freshener. That's

620
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: one note. Wait what why? I guess because it smells.

621
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. I need to know, right, always spills

622
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: candle wax on everything and uses excessive amounts of oil,

623
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: place the room out of order.

624
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: Upon departure for deep cleaning. The last one is, please

625
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: authorize an extra one thousand dollars when guest stays with

626
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: us to cover any room damages. I thought a thousand

627
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: was actually a very low.

628
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: Amount for damage to the room with Seawan combs. So

629
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: but anyway, I thought that was an interesting was upset

630
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: that he had to leave that, Like I when I

631
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: show up, it's two hundred dollars for incidentals. Right, you're right,

632
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: A thousand isn't a lot, It's not I feel like.

633
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 3: I have to buy.

634
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need to know about the smell.

635
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: Right, the air freshener in the hallway, we need to.

636
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: Invest was strong enough to handle?

637
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: Does he ask for that? Maybe? Is that something that

638
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: he that's the.

639
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: Hotel internal note saying we have to spray air refreshner

640
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: in the hallway when he stays there.

641
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: I don't know, does he.

642
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: Burn incense, do the candles smell? Does it create like

643
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: a weird smell? So they have to air refreshener.

644
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: The hallway and I need to know. I'm like, literally,

645
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: I want to DM somebody about this.

646
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: Right, all right.

647
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: Another person that testified was makeup artist Mila Morales. She

648
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: was a former makeup artist that testified that she once

649
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: saw Cassie with visible injuries during the Grammys weekend in

650
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: twenty ten. Marale I said she returned to a hotel

651
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: with Cassie after attending a party at Prince's home. Allegedly

652
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: did he arrive later, appearing angry and shouting for Cassie

653
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: before entering her room and closing the door. Maralis described

654
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: hearing yelling and said she felt helpless during the incident.

655
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: I've actually seen interviews with her. She's done several interviews,

656
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: and I know when they cross examined her, they talked

657
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: about the interviews that she's done. Asked her if she

658
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: was paid, and she didn't. She said she hasn't received

659
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: any pay. I feel like she's just out there speaking

660
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: out because she feels like she witnessed something and that

661
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: she didn't ever speak out before her opportunity to say

662
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: what she saw. According to Maralis, Diddy later stormed out

663
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: of the room, and Cassie emerged visibly shaken, with what

664
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: appeared to be a swollen eye, a split lip, and

665
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: bruises on her head. This account aligns with Cassie's earlier

666
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: testimony in which she said Combs assaulted her after a

667
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: party at Prince's house, allegedly throwing luggage at her and

668
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: verbally abusing her. You know, there's another account by one

669
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: of his assistants that testified that there was another woman

670
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: that he dated named Gina. I guess that was a

671
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: part of this controversy. She was a victim number three

672
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: that was supposed to testify, but they can't find her,

673
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: and I don't think she's now going to testify.

674
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: But I hope she's okay.

675
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: Missing or she's not responding and won't and refusing again.

676
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: The prosecution can't get a hold of her. She was just.

677
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 3: Missing, so well yeah, no, yeah, I just didn't know

678
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: if she was refusing to come or if she did.

679
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: Anyone hear from her, Like, I think they can't get

680
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: a hold of her, and they're saying she's now not

681
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: going to testify. She's maybe they I worry about these people. Yeah,

682
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: I really that's the.

683
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: Reason why he's not coming out of jail, right, because

684
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 3: that's why he didn't when this tampering. Yeah, that's part

685
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: of his troubles.

686
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: He can't listen, he can't help what he is. He's

687
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: still going to do. You know, his empire might be falling,

688
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: but I feel like if he gets away with this,

689
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: he's going to be more powerful than he's ever been.

690
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 3: Well, every time, every time he got you know, he

691
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: exploited them for twenty thousand dollars or paid her off

692
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 3: for twenty millions. She knows how many up a car.

693
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 3: Who knows how many people he paid off to get

694
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 3: away with his crime, and then he just thinks, yeah,

695
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 3: that was nothing. You know, I paid her. I can

696
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 3: do what I want because I just pay him off.

697
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: There's some male sex workers that testified, and obviously this

698
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: goes back to the sex trafficking of if they're hiring

699
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: male sex workers to common have sex with Cassie and

700
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: that's what these freaking.

701
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: She was also finding them, right because it's what he wanted.

702
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: Then this is the sex trafficking.

703
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: Part of the prosecution's case is that they're crossing state

704
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: lines and that's sex trafficking, I thought, And we haven't

705
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: seen that yet. And we talked about this a little

706
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: bit yesterday that there were underage victims as well in

707
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: this sex trafficking.

708
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 2: But so far we're talking underage, We're talking I'm talking like,

709
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: are we talking about child sex trafficking.

710
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 3: That's not the case. So far, it has.

711
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: We've only heard tunnels and Michael Jackson's house and there's

712
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: clothes they found tons of kids clothes and that we

713
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: don't know this to be true, and apparently it's not

714
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: been brought up.

715
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so but there have been and I've seen videos

716
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: and maybe you've seen this too, of like Diddy with

717
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: Justin Bieber when he was very he talks about how

718
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: he's like going to Ditty camp and he's staying with

719
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: Ditty and Diddy's.

720
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: His guardens what they're going to do, right, and.

721
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: Really creepy.

722
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: And then I saw an interview with Usher he did

723
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: on Howard Stern, and Howard Stern.

724
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: Was saying, well, what happened with Ditty?

725
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: You know, because Usher was underage at that time too,

726
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, I can't say, I can't talk

727
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: about it, and he said, well, would you ever let

728
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: your child be around Didty? He was basically like, did.

729
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: You see Kanye West?

730
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 3: Diddy?

731
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: Kanye West was at a concert they were setting up.

732
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: Kanye's children were playing and Diddy walked over to them

733
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 2: to say hello, and Kanye came running down the stairs

734
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: and goes, get away from my kids. Oh yeah, see

735
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: he shook his hand. He's like, get away, back off. Yeah,

736
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 2: fifty cents been.

737
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

738
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 2: We're screaming on top of mountains about this. And here's

739
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: the other thing. One of the sex were who went

740
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: on a big shootout in Miami in the Trump Hotel.

741
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: I believe it was Miami. I don't know if you

742
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: saw this. And he gets arrested. He has like a

743
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: shootout with the cops and he's like yeah yeah. He goes,

744
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:13,959
Speaker 2: I want to talk to us as a sex worker

745
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: that's connected to Diddy or he's a sex worker. No

746
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: sex worker that's connected to day Hey, and he's like

747
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: he's in jail. But as he's getting arrested, he's like, listen,

748
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: did he calls me? I go there, you guys don't understand.

749
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: They hire me to come and he puts oil and

750
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: he starts going off, and no one listened to him,

751
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: no one believed him, and they put him in jail.

752
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 2: Now they are going back to him and goes, oh,

753
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 2: and they're like would say, and they're like, I tried

754
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: to tell you when you were arresting me that this

755
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: was going on.

756
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: So during this testimony there was a male sex worker testified,

757
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: and this is actually I find this amusing. His name

758
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: is the Punisher. So on Tuesday, a man identified as

759
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: Sharay Hayes, also known as the Punish, described a series

760
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: of encounters he allegedly had with Cassie while Ditty was present.

761
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: In my mind, I can't get past the fact that

762
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: this guy is a sex worker.

763
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: But his name is the Punisher.

764
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: So the Punisher said that he first met the pair

765
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: at a hotel room and Trump Tower where.

766
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 2: He was Is this maybe? Is this the same thing?

767
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: That's who I'm talking about? Sie Taller.

768
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: He was instructed not to acknowledge Combs, who reportedly wore

769
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: a face covering. He alleged that during multiple encounters, Combs

770
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: observed and issued directions, including lighting adjustments and sexual instructions.

771
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: Is he ever tired? Like he just doesn't stop? He

772
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: goes and he goes, and he goes, but he doesn't

773
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: do anything half assed. Ditty does things to the extend.

774
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 2: So the punisher's testimony follows up follows similar claims made

775
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 2: by other witnesses, for example, Daniel Phillip, who last week

776
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: in testimony alleged he was paid to engage in sexual

777
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: acts with Ventura under Combe's direction. So again they're establishing

778
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: I guess again this goes to it's it's an enterprise.

779
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 2: It's not just like.

780
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: A casual, consensual everybody shows up and they have an orgy.

781
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: It's an elaborate business.

782
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 3: Dealing, which is establishing right that it's a production visual

783
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 3: audio too right.

784
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting because during testimony in Ditty's trial,

785
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: a former escort named vin Armani has publicly denied any

786
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: involvement in the allegations raised during the Ditty trial. Apparently

787
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: they showed his picture he's one of these.

788
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 3: Well, I I saw one of the others.

789
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: From the show. From the show show he's denying that

790
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: he had, So then why is he there if he

791
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 2: has no Well, they're showing so they showed is he

792
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 2: an expert witness? No, they showed a.

793
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: Photo of him and they showed there were actually two

794
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: jigglos from the show that were showed during this testimony,

795
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: but he has come forward and said that it's just misidentification,

796
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: like he was not involved in any of these freak

797
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: out freakoffs. So Armani, who previously appeared on the Showtime

798
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: Showtime series Jigglos, said he was never contacted by prosecutors

799
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: and called the identification a case of mistaken identity. In

800
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: comments to The Daily Mail, Armani said he was he

801
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: has never had any interaction with either Combs or Ventura

802
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: involving violence, drugs or paid sex acts. He acknowledged socializing

803
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: with numerous celebrities over the years, but firmly denied ever

804
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: participating in any of these freakofs. Armani also criticized media coverage,

805
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: particularly and now deleted TMZ article. It was TMZ that

806
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: came out and named him, I believe and also that

807
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: other guy that killed.

808
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 3: Is that his fran gel now for having killed his

809
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 3: girlfriend d Mr Armani.

810
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: Guy that Ben that we were talking about.

811
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: He has argued that the misidentification has harmed his reputation

812
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: and expressed frustration at not being contacted by legal authorities.

813
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 2: To clarify his role in all of it. So anyway,

814
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: that's where we're att with that. No, can can he

815
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: get money for that? Can he? Well?

816
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: I feel like the fact that he came forward and

817
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: said that his reputation was harm.

818
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: Because that's not that's.

819
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: Not I mean your your reputation was harm. No, that's

820
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 1: legal jargon right there. That means he's consulted with an attorney,

821
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: and I think he's probably going to sue for defamation

822
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:20,479
Speaker 1: or everyone's going.

823
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 3: To jump on this bandwagon of getting money.

824
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: Right, there's enough to go around.

825
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 3: The hotel also might just be deep pockets, you know.

826
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: Let's get the pockets. That's what I'm saying, Like they

827
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: could settle.

828
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: All right, here's some questions after the second week of trial.

829
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: First of all, we talked about this already, but Gina,

830
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: who is victim number three, is nowhere to be found

831
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: in court on Wednesday.

832
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: That might be a problem for Gina. Might be a

833
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: problem for the prosecution too, because I think Gina's in trouble.

834
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, they might want to check some shallow graves.

835
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I mean I'm worried for Gina.

836
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: In court on Wednesday, outside the presence of the jury.

837
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: Defense attorney Mark Agnifilio said that Gina is out of

838
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: the case.

839
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: Assists she's out of the case. That's what the defense.

840
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: She gets out of the case just because they can't

841
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: find her. That's ok. Maybe she's dead, can't find her,

842
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: she's not answering, so we're just not going to call

843
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: her now how long.

844
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: Her Yeah, but defense is very quick to want to

845
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 3: excuse her, right.

846
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: So that's the defense of course.

847
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: The assistant US attorney, Christie Slavic, said that Gina was

848
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: very much part of this case, adding that she was

849
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: identified in the indictment. I think this comes down to

850
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: a case of the defense is saying, eh, she's not

851
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: part of it, the prosecution saying, yes she is, and

852
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: they can't find her, and they're hoping they can find her.

853
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: God, this we're going to find well.

854
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: So we hope Gina's okay and we hope that they

855
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: can find her. She was a big part of this case.

856
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: She was considered victim number three, and the part of

857
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: establishing for the prosecution and what was it the Rico

858
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: case is that there's multiple victims, so.

859
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 3: It has been two violations within ten.

860
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: Years, right, so she was victim number three, so they

861
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: clearly need her testimony.

862
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: So there has to be a two they have too.

863
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 2: They have victim one and two Cassie, and then I'm

864
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: not sure, so the third one would put it over.

865
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 3: The edge, right, Well, just more. I think the more

866
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: testimony is.

867
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 2: So Gina's safe to say, if Gina owed me money,

868
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: I'd be upset. I'd be worried right now because she

869
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 2: ain't showing up.

870
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: So hopefully we can figure out what happened with Gina

871
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: and maybe she comes forward. Also, I do have a

872
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: question because they've talked about and alluded to showing footage

873
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: of these freak offs, because we know that there's video

874
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 1: footage that he's recorded a lot of them.

875
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: In your opinion, do you think showing.

876
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: Clips of these freak offs helps the prosecution or helps

877
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: the defense?

878
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: It depends. If the videos are people cheering and having

879
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 3: a good time and laughing, it's not going to help.

880
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: Right prosecuted content of the videos, right, you could see

881
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: people drugged up, throwing up and getting sodomized, right, or

882
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: are we going to see everybody like shane'sas dancing on

883
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 2: the big bed that was the size of the yard.

884
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: I would say that there's probably both in this video archives,

885
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: there's probably so it depends on what they pick and

886
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: choose what they show the videos.

887
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: What part of the videos I saw, Like with Justin

888
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: Bieber so far, although it was very unclear what was

889
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 2: actually going going on, you saw enough to make your assumption,

890
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: and to make a pretty good assumption. That was enough

891
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: for me, right, But what my brother told me? Now,

892
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: my brother's been a cop now thirty something years in Patterson.

893
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: He's a lieutenant, he's a marine. He's you know, very

894
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 2: well respected in the hostage negotiators. So I always go

895
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: to him to break things down for me. Yeah, what

896
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: he did say that was before every party, Dicky would

897
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: Diddy would come out and say it's about to freak off.

898
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: You're not comfortable leave? Yeah, that's like every party, right.

899
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: I feel like that covered in ever.

900
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: Left and there's curiosity. There's also like I don't want

901
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: to get black. This is going to be crazy.

902
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: Did he record that part before they recorded these freak

903
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: goffas well?

904
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 2: They must have parted for people to suit for him

905
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 2: to protect himself that that was recorded.

906
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 3: Well, Plus, how was it said? Was it with attitude

907
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 3: like get the hell out of here? If you can't

908
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 3: handle us, get out of here. Oh, we don't want

909
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 3: to make you feel uncomfortable.

910
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: Then by him saying that if this is true, Lewis

911
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: is usually right. If this is true, he just covered

912
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: himself to say everyone was there on their own will,

913
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: everyone was there consensually. I don't know if that's true,

914
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: but you know, you know, I have.

915
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: One more thought because we also when we talk about Diddy,

916
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: I was thinking about when we were talking about the

917
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: expert witness and how she was testifying to the trauma

918
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: and sticking around and not leaving when we're talking about Cassie,

919
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: and also the fact that it wasn't she didn't come

920
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 1: forward immediately. She came forward years later and talked about

921
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: all the abuse that she endured. And it made me

922
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: think about Menindez because I don't know how much you

923
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: know about the Menindaz case, but that's a lot of

924
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: the DMS that I get from people when we talk

925
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: about Menindaz, because they were eighteen and twenty one at

926
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: the time, and I have so many people that say, well,

927
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 1: they could have just left.

928
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: That's why I want us to I want to say

929
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 2: that today I was really looking forward to coming here

930
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: with the two of you, because I was very bothered

931
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: by the comments that I see on why didn't they

932
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: just leave? And that's really just a lot of nothing

933
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 2: against people. I'm happy they don't know this life. I'm

934
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: happy they don't understand it, but it's just ignorance and

935
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 2: it's being uneducated about this type of thing. So I

936
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 2: hope that it clears up some things on why people stay,

937
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: because when something like that happens to them, their self

938
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: worth is so far gone, like so gone. That's why

939
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: nobody is born and they're going to say, I'm going

940
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: to go be a prostitute, I'm going to go be

941
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: on drugs, I'm going to go be a stripper and

942
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: have to like sell myself to people. Something is taken

943
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: from them at an age. So I mean, I read

944
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: about it, look look into it before you judge Cassie

945
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: on why she stayed. But what I want to know

946
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: is when was she released by him? Because at what

947
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: point was she just on? Yeah, That's what I want

948
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: to know.

949
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 3: And when I'm guessing I don't know this, I'm guessing

950
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 3: the video played a part in it, because now there

951
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 3: was some leverage this video get released.

952
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 2: Right, Well, the video wasn't twenty four so correct?

953
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 3: But the twenty million? What was that for? What incident

954
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 3: was that she filed that.

955
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: She has far gone out of the bled.

956
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: A civil case against him before the video came out.

957
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: He settled it within twenty four hours?

958
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 3: Right? But don't you think her attorney. I don't know

959
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 3: what got her to go to attorney if she knew

960
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 3: there was video or not, And I could be totally off.

961
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 3: But if she knew there was video that existed part

962
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 3: of this and she if she went to an attorney

963
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 3: and attorney's like, I got this video and then that

964
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: solved it in twenty four hours.

965
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 2: I have a theory. I might have one. When did

966
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: she start? When did she this guy that she's with

967
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 2: now her husband? Her husband? When did he come into

968
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: the picture? Was that around the time that she called

969
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: and she said, I want compensation for this?

970
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 3: I you know, I don't know, like he like he

971
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 3: encouraged her, like now they're together.

972
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: So I feel like because I have a friend who

973
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 2: once dated this guy. And then she started to say

974
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: to like the guy was very jealous of her past relationship.

975
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: And then she told him an incident that had happened.

976
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 2: One incident I forget whatever it was she had said

977
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: to him, and he's like, you need to press charges now,

978
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 2: and he forced her to press charges when she wouldn't have.

979
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: She had just had moved on from this relationship, and

980
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: out of nowhere, this guy that she was dating gets

981
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: like a restraining order in the mail or some shit.

982
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: And it was all because the guy she had now

983
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: started dating wanted her to do something about it.

984
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: I feel like, so you're saying that maybe having a

985
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: good relationship with her husband and him encouraging her to

986
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: come forward was the reason why she did it.

987
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 2: The time I'm saying it was a good relationship, I'm

988
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: saying like this guy made her maybe possibly do I

989
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: have to find before I say anything else and sound

990
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 2: like a fucking total idiot. I'd like to know the

991
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 2: timeline up when she met him, who she's with now,

992
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: and then she married and when she filed that.

993
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would just since we've talked about Meninda so much,

994
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: and there was always issues with that people had With

995
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: the Meninda's case, one it was they were eighteen and

996
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: twenty one, why didn't they just leave?

997
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: And also why.

998
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: Didn't they Originally in the very beginning to talk about

999
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: the abuse. The abuse allegations didn't come out till later

1000
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: after the fact, but it is exactly the same thing

1001
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: that's happened with Cassie. So I'm saying, if you're a

1002
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: proponent of Cassie and you understand the trauma bonding, and

1003
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: you understand why she didn't speak out, I understand why

1004
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: she didn't leave when she should have. Or when you

1005
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 1: understand all of that, you can apply that same logic

1006
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: to the.

1007
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: Brothers who were abused by their father. These are kids

1008
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 2: who apparently went to their mother, their own mother told

1009
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: them to shut up about it. I think the biggest

1010
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 2: problem most people had back when, and it was a

1011
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 2: different world back then when it happened, was that they

1012
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: up right. But also because of the money they spent

1013
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 2: in the partying that went on did not help them.

1014
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, after the deaths.

1015
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: After the death they went on to party and spend

1016
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: money and do all these things.

1017
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 3: It's a good role with them to wait two months

1018
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 3: before you throw big parties at correct.

1019
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 2: So and you know, I still don't care what they did,

1020
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: how they did it, if their father did that to them,

1021
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: I don't care that they killed them.

1022
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, And also when you talk about the

1023
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: spendings free. I think that the media harped on it

1024
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 1: so much it just made them look like these rich,

1025
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: entitled kids just wanted to get rid of their parents

1026
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: so that they could spend their money.

1027
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 2: And no one wanted to hear why they did it.

1028
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: If you look at it from a different perspective and

1029
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 1: say they were abused and control for so long, free

1030
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: and they were probably trying the first time they had

1031
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: any freedom in their life, and that's why they did.

1032
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 3: They were celebrating happiness. So now we can do this.

1033
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 3: Now we can do that. Now we can, you know,

1034
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 3: go meet people and get out of the house.

1035
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 2: My heart goes out to them, right for what they want?

1036
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: A little update on my nitas because we didn't do

1037
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: this at the top of the show, but they did.

1038
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: They have been recent and so they went through their

1039
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: recentsing hearing the judge did resentence them, and so they

1040
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: are eligible for parole. So that is the next step.

1041
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: They will go before a parole board. And we are

1042
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: actually we've been talking about this for months and months

1043
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: and months and ever since Monsters came out.

1044
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: Of whether they were going to be released or not,

1045
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: and we are now on like the tip of the ice.

1046
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: I don't know what I don't I'm not sure what

1047
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 2: it is. I think there's a date for it, and

1048
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 2: I can't remember off the top of my head. But

1049
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 2: they will go before the parole board. Well I hope

1050
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 2: they get released, but I think they've done their time.

1051
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 2: They've paid, you know, to do the time you pay?

1052
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 2: The wait, what was it up? Do the crime? You pay?

1053
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: The time? Was it barretta? This song from Baratta? But

1054
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: whoever doesn't know that that's an old cop show. But

1055
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: you know, for me, you know, and as you both know,

1056
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: if you're going in front of a parole board, the

1057
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: most important thing is to show remorse. So I hope

1058
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: that they can show the remorse that's needed, show that

1059
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 2: they've done their time and they've learned their lesson. That's

1060
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: another thing that you have to show when you come

1061
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: in front of the parole board. And I hope that

1062
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: they can convince the board to finally release them.

1063
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: So we'll follow that and let you know. But anyway,

1064
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for listening to Legally Brunette.

1065
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed the episode, and thanks the Louris

1066
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: for being here.

1067
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. I enjoy this by the way,

1068
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you. And I enjoyed the two of

1069
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 2: you so much. Thank you.