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<v Speaker 2>In August nineteen ninety five, just two months after Julie

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<v Speaker 2>LeJean and Melissa Rousseau went missing in the east of Belgium,

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<v Speaker 2>a group of teenagers who were part of the Harlequin

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<v Speaker 2>Amateur Theater group gathered at one of their houses to

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<v Speaker 2>put the final touches on their summer beach trip plans.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a big deal for most of the kids,

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<v Speaker 2>who'd never been on a parent's free vacation before. The

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<v Speaker 2>meeting took place at Paul and Betty Marshaw's house, who,

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<v Speaker 2>after much hesitation, decided to let their seventeen year old

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<v Speaker 2>daughter Anne join the trip. It was a nice group,

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<v Speaker 2>responsible kids, so Paul and Betty went upstairs and let

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<v Speaker 2>them plan their trip without helicoptering over them. Their daughter

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<v Speaker 2>Anne was so excited that she thought of nothing else

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<v Speaker 2>in the days prior to leading for the coast. The

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<v Speaker 2>train ride from Hustle to their destination in west Inda

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<v Speaker 2>on the Belgian coast was about two hundred kilometers. They'd

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<v Speaker 2>rented a bungalow there where ten of them would stay

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<v Speaker 2>for a week. Unfortunately, two of them would never return home.

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<v Speaker 3>Psychopaths is somebody who understands emotions.

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<v Speaker 4>And I told them it is very exceptional that somebody

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<v Speaker 4>abducts two children at the same time.

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<v Speaker 3>Would have been the end of it in nineteen eighty six,

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<v Speaker 3>but my god, it was just a beginning.

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<v Speaker 5>I think Belgium was a paralyzed for perverts in those days.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to La Monstra. I'm your host, Matt Graves. It

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<v Speaker 2>had been two months and the community of Liege and

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<v Speaker 2>Belgium was still desperately searching for answers and the disappearance

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<v Speaker 2>of eight year olds Julie Lejeanne and Melissa Russo. Their

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<v Speaker 2>disappearances were presumed to be an isolated incident, but on

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<v Speaker 2>August twenty third, nineteen ninety five, on the Belgian seaside,

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<v Speaker 2>two more girls would vanish while on a beach trip,

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen year old Anne Marschal and eighteen year old Effie Lambricks.

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<v Speaker 2>Their disappearance would quickly make the local news.

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<v Speaker 5>He said that these.

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<v Speaker 2>Middle Anna, if you went missing, only about one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>miles away from Liege, where Julian Melissa disappeared. But the

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<v Speaker 2>two places are worlds apart. I'm originally from Texas, where

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<v Speaker 2>you can drive for two straight days without much of

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<v Speaker 2>a change in culture or scenery. Belgium is the opposite

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<v Speaker 2>of that. You can drive less than one hundred miles

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<v Speaker 2>and feel like you've been to three different countries. The

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<v Speaker 2>first two girls disappeared from Liege, a French speaking region

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<v Speaker 2>where rolling hills covered with thick pine forests cut through

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<v Speaker 2>river valleys. It's where part of the Battle of the

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<v Speaker 2>Bulge took place in World War II, as immortalized by

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<v Speaker 2>the book and series Band of Brothers. The Belgian coastal

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<v Speaker 2>province of West Flanders is quite the opposite. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>Dutch speaking region and one of the flattest places I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen. It's next to where the famous evacuation and

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<v Speaker 2>subsequent World War II Battle of Dunkirk took place. It

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<v Speaker 2>was there about twenty five miles up the beach from Dunkirk,

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<v Speaker 2>where the group of teenagers including Anne Marschal and Effie

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<v Speaker 2>Alambrichs had booked their beach trip. There was an excited

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<v Speaker 2>atmosphere when the teens checked into their bungalow at the

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<v Speaker 2>Marina Park resort in West Inda. It was about a

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen minute walk to the beach and a short bike

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<v Speaker 2>ride to the seaside town of Newport with its restaurants,

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<v Speaker 2>cafes and attractions. On Monday, some of them took a

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<v Speaker 2>one hour trip by tram to the larger town of

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<v Speaker 2>Blunkenberga to see a hypnotist show at the local casino.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a blast and two of them got free

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<v Speaker 2>passes to the following night's show. Anne Marshall originally planned

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<v Speaker 2>to check out the show with her friend Linda, but

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<v Speaker 2>she had gotten delayed, so another girl, Alambrics, took her

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<v Speaker 2>place so Anne didn't have to go alone. On Tuesday

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<v Speaker 2>evening August twenty second, Ann and Ifia rode their bikes

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<v Speaker 2>to the tram station in West India and boarded a

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<v Speaker 2>tram for Blunkenberger.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll get us off Blanket back again.

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<v Speaker 2>They made their way to the Blunkenberger Casino and used

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<v Speaker 2>their free tickets to get into the Rosty Rostelli hypnotist show.

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<v Speaker 2>The Rosty Rostelli show was a mix of magic and

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<v Speaker 2>group hypnosis. Rosti himself was a born entertainer, complete with

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<v Speaker 2>wavy black hair and a flair for live stage performance,

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<v Speaker 2>so who's going to be During the act, he would

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<v Speaker 2>get about eighty volunteers up on the stage, where he

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<v Speaker 2>would take them through a group hypnosis and then reselect

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<v Speaker 2>about fifteen of them who appeared to be responding well

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<v Speaker 2>to his spell. We know that Anne and Efia made

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<v Speaker 2>the cut that night because they were filmed on stage.

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<v Speaker 2>In the video, you can see Rosti on stage dressed

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<v Speaker 2>in black. First, you can see Efia smiling and giggling

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<v Speaker 2>until Rosti gives her a light tap on the back

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<v Speaker 2>of the head, and then she slumps forward in what

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<v Speaker 2>looks like a state of hypnosis. Next, you can see

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<v Speaker 2>Anne facing Rosti as he tickles a small doll that

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<v Speaker 2>seems to trigger her to start scratching her face. She

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<v Speaker 2>appears to be visibly annoyed and seems to tell him

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<v Speaker 2>to stop. After the show, both Anne and Effia were

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<v Speaker 2>captured on security cameras walking towards the exit of the

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<v Speaker 2>casino before midnight. They were supposed to catch the tram

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<v Speaker 2>at eleven forty five that would take them all the

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<v Speaker 2>way back to West ind but they didn't get on

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<v Speaker 2>that tram. Instead, they took the last tram at twelve

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<v Speaker 2>forty four am, which terminated at the station in Ostenda,

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<v Speaker 2>about halfway to their destination. The tram driver confirmed that

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<v Speaker 2>Anne and Effie were on this tram when it stopped

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<v Speaker 2>for end of service at one eighteen am and Ostenda.

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<v Speaker 2>Another employee recalled seeing them at around one twenty am

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<v Speaker 2>at the station, and finally, the last person to see

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<v Speaker 2>them was a taxi driver parked outside who reported seeing

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<v Speaker 2>them exit the station just after one twenty am. The

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<v Speaker 2>girls never made it back to the bungalow that morning.

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<v Speaker 2>I spoke to the father of Anne, Paul Marshal. His

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<v Speaker 2>memories of the disappearance are so painful that he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to have to go through a recorded interview. I

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<v Speaker 2>can only imagine the heartache that Paul, his wife Betty,

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<v Speaker 2>and their whole family must feel. Their lives were turned

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<v Speaker 2>upside down that summer, and still now twenty five years later,

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<v Speaker 2>the memories and the pain are still vivid. Paul agreed

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<v Speaker 2>to have his words read by an interpreter. What you'll

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<v Speaker 2>hear now, this.

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<v Speaker 7>Was Anne's first time on holiday without any parents. My

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<v Speaker 7>wife Betty and I were initially hesitant about the idea.

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<v Speaker 7>I remember Anne said, Dad, I'm almost eighteen, and after

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<v Speaker 7>thinking on it, we decided to let her take the trip.

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<v Speaker 7>Anne was very responsible and she was so excited about

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<v Speaker 7>this trip with her friends. On the day she left,

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<v Speaker 7>I dropped her off at the train station with her bike.

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<v Speaker 6>And huge backpack. She was so happy.

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<v Speaker 7>I'll never forget the pure joy radiating from her face

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<v Speaker 7>that day. A few days later, I got all around

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<v Speaker 7>nine forty five at night from one of her friends.

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<v Speaker 7>The friend explained that Anne and another girl, Afia, hadn't

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<v Speaker 7>returned home after attending a show the previous evening. All

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<v Speaker 7>of the kids were worried sick because it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 7>Anne or Afia to just decide to stay out all

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<v Speaker 7>night and the next day. They had tried to report

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<v Speaker 7>it to the police in west Enda, but they weren't

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<v Speaker 7>taken seriously, so finally they decided to call the parents.

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<v Speaker 7>I was really calm and lucid at the time. It

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<v Speaker 7>surprised me. I called the mother of the other missing

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<v Speaker 7>girl and we reported the disappearance to the local police

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<v Speaker 7>in our town. After filling out the report, we drove

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<v Speaker 7>to the coast, leaving it around three o'clock in the morning.

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<v Speaker 7>I think we arrived at the bungalow around five am.

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<v Speaker 7>I remember feeling like an intruder, but the other kids

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<v Speaker 7>were happy to see us. They were all really worried.

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<v Speaker 7>There wasn't really much to say. Anne and Afia had

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<v Speaker 7>left to go see a show and simply didn't return.

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<v Speaker 7>I took a break to lie down on Anne's bed

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<v Speaker 7>in the bungalow to gather my thoughts. I found Anne's

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<v Speaker 7>cherished little stuff Snoopy on the pillow. She'd had it

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<v Speaker 7>since she was a little girl and still brought it

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<v Speaker 7>with her everywhere. The little ribbon around Snoopy's neck was

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<v Speaker 7>still there. It had a note attached in her handwriting,

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<v Speaker 7>offering a reward of one hundred francs for Snoopy's safe

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<v Speaker 7>return in casey went missing. It was at that moment

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<v Speaker 7>that it really hit me. Something terrible must have happened

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<v Speaker 7>to Anne. That evening, we visited the casino where the

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<v Speaker 7>girls went to the show. Security cameras had captured images

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<v Speaker 7>of the girls after the show in the casino lobby.

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<v Speaker 7>It was very hard to look. At these last images,

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<v Speaker 7>Anne looked really vacant and she was holding her hands strangely.

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<v Speaker 7>It didn't make sense for them to be in the

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<v Speaker 7>lobby at this point. Most people use a different exit

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<v Speaker 7>when shows are over, and the direction that they were

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<v Speaker 7>walking in was the opposite direction of the trend that

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<v Speaker 7>they were supposed to catch. The actual show itself was

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<v Speaker 7>also filmed, and later I watched the whole thing. It

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<v Speaker 7>was very upsetting Anne. And if you are on stage

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<v Speaker 7>and they appear to be hypnotized, at one point they're

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<v Speaker 7>eating lemons that they've been told were peaches. I realized

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<v Speaker 7>this must have been why Anne was holding her hands

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<v Speaker 7>strangely in the security camera video, as if she were

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<v Speaker 7>holding the lemon from the show. In the last images

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<v Speaker 7>of Anne during the show, you can see her reacting

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<v Speaker 7>to the magician tickling a little doll. She was rubbing

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<v Speaker 7>her face and yelled stop.

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<v Speaker 2>She looked confused and upset.

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<v Speaker 7>I couldn't help but think that the hypnosis had messed

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<v Speaker 7>them up somehow, or maybe they weren't properly woken up

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<v Speaker 7>from their hypnotic state.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine the confusion the parents must have been going through.

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<v Speaker 2>Suddenly they get a call that their daughters have been

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<v Speaker 2>missing for more than twenty four hours. The last images

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<v Speaker 2>they see are of their daughters being hypnotized and then

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<v Speaker 2>meandering around a casino lobby near midnight, looking confused. Paul

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<v Speaker 2>wondered if their disappearance was related to the hypnosis. That

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't properly woken up from their hypnotic state, but

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<v Speaker 2>is that possible. I spoke to one of the world's

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<v Speaker 2>leading experts in hypnosis, Doctor David Spiegel, studied medicine at

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<v Speaker 2>Harvard and as a professor and chair at the Stanford

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<v Speaker 2>University School of Medicine. He also actively practices psychiatry at

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<v Speaker 2>Stanford Healthcare. Andy created a digital hypnosis program and app

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<v Speaker 2>called Reverie Health.

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<v Speaker 8>Hypnosis is just a state of highly focused attention. It's

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<v Speaker 8>something like getting so caught up in a good movie

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<v Speaker 8>or a play that you forget you're watching the movie

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<v Speaker 8>or the play, and you enter the imagined world. It's

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<v Speaker 8>been called believed in imagination. And we know from functional

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<v Speaker 8>magnetic resonance imaging studies that when people go into a

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<v Speaker 8>state of hypnosis, they turn down activity in a part

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<v Speaker 8>of the brain that is called the salience network. That

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<v Speaker 8>part of the brain that causes you to worry should

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<v Speaker 8>I be thinking about this rather than that? And instead

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<v Speaker 8>you allow yourself to just immerse yourself in whatever it

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<v Speaker 8>is you're focusing on.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're in that state of hypnosis, as you just explained,

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<v Speaker 2>are you aware of yourself or are you not aware

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<v Speaker 2>of yourself?

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<v Speaker 8>Usually, well, that's an interesting question, Matt. We found also

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<v Speaker 8>that the part of the brain that is thinking and

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<v Speaker 8>planning is relatively disconnected from the part of the brain

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<v Speaker 8>that is self aware. We call that dissociation. So you're

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<v Speaker 8>doing it, but you're not necessarily aware of yourself doing it.

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<v Speaker 8>You're not monitoring yourself. You're just experiencing it, and that

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<v Speaker 8>allows you to experience it more thoroughly. That's what good

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<v Speaker 8>actors and actresses do, is that they lose themselves in

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<v Speaker 8>the part. They become the other person and set aside

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<v Speaker 8>their own personal identity.

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<v Speaker 6>Can hypnosis be dangerous?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, you know, anything that has the power to help

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<v Speaker 8>has the power to hurt. It can help people take

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<v Speaker 8>on a new point of view, give up old ideas.

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<v Speaker 8>The fact that you're setting aside your salience, your view

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<v Speaker 8>of what might be a problem or dangerous means, and

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<v Speaker 8>in a sense in hypnosis, you're more gullible, You're more

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<v Speaker 8>willing to take on the instruction of someone who is

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<v Speaker 8>conducting the hypnosis if they are, and less likely to

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<v Speaker 8>judge and evaluate it. So if somebody is doing something

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<v Speaker 8>that is irresponsible or even dangerous, you're more likely to

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<v Speaker 8>go along with it.

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<v Speaker 2>What about group hypnosis or hypnosis shows where you have

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<v Speaker 2>a hypnotist to claims or attempts to hypnotize a large

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<v Speaker 2>group audience at the same time. What do you think

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<v Speaker 2>about that? In general?

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<v Speaker 8>I'm not a big fan of hypnosis shows. I think

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<v Speaker 8>it can be used dangerously. I've known of situations where

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<v Speaker 8>people were left in a hypnotic state and were somewhat

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<v Speaker 8>confused or upset. And there's one trick that all of

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<v Speaker 8>the stage hypnotists use that the people don't realize. They'll

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<v Speaker 8>start out running a series of people through the initial steps,

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<v Speaker 8>and what they're doing is screening for the fifteen to

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<v Speaker 8>twenty percent of the population who are extremely hypnotizable, and

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<v Speaker 8>those are the ones they keep up on the stage

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<v Speaker 8>for all the fancy tricks, and they excuse the other

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<v Speaker 8>people who are less hypnotizable. I don't want people to

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<v Speaker 8>think that by and large, hypnosis is dangerous and you

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<v Speaker 8>get stuck in a hypnotic state and never come out.

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<v Speaker 8>I've never lost a patient in a state of self hypnosis,

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<v Speaker 8>and I've used it about seven thousand people in my career. However,

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<v Speaker 8>there are situations, especially for highly hypnotizable people, if they

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<v Speaker 8>are not helped to exit the state, and if they're

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<v Speaker 8>not familiar with it, they may wind up in a

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<v Speaker 8>hypnotic like state for some period of time, normally till

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<v Speaker 8>they go to bed and go to sleep, and in

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<v Speaker 8>that state they may be less critical, less likely to evaluate,

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<v Speaker 8>for example, evaluate the potential of danger than they would ordinarily.

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<v Speaker 2>So Anne and Ifia were certainly in the highly hypnotizable

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<v Speaker 2>category he describes, because we know that they were selected

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<v Speaker 2>in the smaller group of people to be part of

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<v Speaker 2>the main act. According to doctor Spiegel, it is possible

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<v Speaker 2>that Anne and Efia could have been in a more

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerable state than normal after the show. It might help

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<v Speaker 2>to explain their erratic movements between when the show ended

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<v Speaker 2>at eleven fifteen pm and when they were last seen

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<v Speaker 2>more than two hours later, around one thirty am. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>get into this in a moment but first let's hear

0:16:58.040 --> 0:16:59.920
<v Speaker 2>from the family of the other girl who went me,

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<v Speaker 2>Effia Lambres. Jean Lombrex is Efia's father. His partner, Else

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<v Speaker 2>Schures agreed to speak with me about what John was

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<v Speaker 2>going through around the time of the disappearance. Else is

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<v Speaker 2>an impressive woman who speaks four languages and carries herself

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<v Speaker 2>with class and dignity. I asked her about Jean Lambres

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<v Speaker 2>at the time his daughter Efia went missing.

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<v Speaker 9>You see, at that time, jeh was forty seven years

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<v Speaker 9>old on the twenty third, So the day after, Jean

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<v Speaker 9>received a phone call from If his mother. You need

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<v Speaker 9>to know that John and If his mother, they had

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<v Speaker 9>divorced seven years prior to this event. So If his

0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:47.359
<v Speaker 9>mother called Jean and she told him that if you

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<v Speaker 9>had not returned to the bungalow the day before after

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<v Speaker 9>having visited a show in Blankenberge. Now that was a

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<v Speaker 9>very strange message, and obviously Jean I immediately knew that

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<v Speaker 9>something was very very wrong. He knew his daughter If

0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.800
<v Speaker 9>he had a very good understanding with both of her parents.

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<v Speaker 9>They trusted one another, that was no problem. He was

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<v Speaker 9>overwhelmed actually with grief, but also with fear because you

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<v Speaker 9>need to know that several years prior to this, he

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<v Speaker 9>also lost a baby's son, a two year old son

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<v Speaker 9>who died from a disease.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't aware that John Lombricks had also lost a

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<v Speaker 2>son when I started this project. We all encounter a

0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:41.160
<v Speaker 2>misfortune in life, but some people really get more than

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<v Speaker 2>their fair share of tragedy. A friend of mine lost

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<v Speaker 2>his child at a young age and then went through

0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:52.600
<v Speaker 2>a divorce. He was never the same and eventually ended

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<v Speaker 2>up taking his own life. Most of us will, thankfully

0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:02.280
<v Speaker 2>never understand what it's like to lose al. To lose

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<v Speaker 2>a second child is an especially cruel twist of fate.

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<v Speaker 2>Jean has gone through some incredibly dark tunnels in his life.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm happy that he's met such a great and positive

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<v Speaker 2>person else. She's really helped me to explore some of

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<v Speaker 2>the darker edges of this case. I asked her if

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<v Speaker 2>she thought there were aspects of the disappearance that weren't

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<v Speaker 2>completely followed up.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, in my opinions, certainly there are leads that would

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<v Speaker 9>have needed more investigation. For instance, a few days before

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<v Speaker 9>she disappeared, it was early morning hours of Sunday, A

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<v Speaker 9>group of the friends went to Newport, a little town

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<v Speaker 9>a bit further. They went there by bicycle. They had

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<v Speaker 9>a few drinks at a terrace, and then the bar

0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:58.720
<v Speaker 9>owner of that terrace suggested they'd go out and have

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<v Speaker 9>some more drinks other bars.

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<v Speaker 2>The minimum drinking age in Belgium is only sixteen, so

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't unusual for a group of teenagers to hit

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<v Speaker 2>the bars.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, if he and two of her friends joined this adult,

0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.640
<v Speaker 9>this bar owner and a friend of his, and they

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<v Speaker 9>visited a few more bars, had some drinks, and afterwards

0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.800
<v Speaker 9>the bar owner took the girls in his jeep. He

0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:28.160
<v Speaker 9>took them back to their bungalow. Okay, he put them

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<v Speaker 9>back home, and when they said goodbye, he even gave

0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:35.000
<v Speaker 9>them a few bottles of I don't remember what it was,

0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.879
<v Speaker 9>a liqua anyway, alcoholic drinks.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay.

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<v Speaker 9>Then Sunday nothing happened. But on Monday night, if you

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<v Speaker 9>went for a walk with a friend, and they walked

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<v Speaker 9>through the dunes, and then again, all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 9>she saw this man that she had met in Newport,

0:20:56.080 --> 0:21:00.240
<v Speaker 9>and I was she felt very strange about it. This man,

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<v Speaker 9>again in his jeep, had drinks. He offered them drinks

0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:09.600
<v Speaker 9>to Afia to her friend, and actually he wanted if

0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:12.800
<v Speaker 9>his friend to drink a lot of alcohol, okay, and

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<v Speaker 9>if he was very, very upset about what was happening.

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<v Speaker 9>In the end, he agreed to drive them back to

0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:22.600
<v Speaker 9>their bungalow again on Monday night. But if he told

0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:25.560
<v Speaker 9>her friends that she was not confident. She was upset.

0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:28.760
<v Speaker 9>She was actually scared of this man who acted weirdly.

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<v Speaker 9>He was trying to impose himself on her. He was

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<v Speaker 9>harassing between brackets her and she did not at all

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<v Speaker 9>feel comfortable about it.

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<v Speaker 6>Was this man a grown man or was he.

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<v Speaker 9>A Yes, certainly he was a grown man. He was

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<v Speaker 9>the tenant of this bar in Newport where they had

0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:51.200
<v Speaker 9>their first drinks, okay. And then actually the police investigated

0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:55.640
<v Speaker 9>this Newport guy. They questioned him, they even observed him,

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<v Speaker 9>but they came to the conclusion that there was a

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<v Speaker 9>mistake and that he was not the man that Avia

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<v Speaker 9>and her friend had met on Monday night in the

0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:09.680
<v Speaker 9>dunes during their walk. So that was it. The investigation

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<v Speaker 9>stopped there.

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<v Speaker 2>And what about the friends that uh were there and

0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:18.640
<v Speaker 2>heard if you talk about this man were what did

0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:21.359
<v Speaker 2>they think? Did they believe that the police were wrong

0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:23.359
<v Speaker 2>about that and that this had to be the guy.

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<v Speaker 9>Or of course, I mean when she returned to the bungalow,

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<v Speaker 9>if you had told her friends, many of her friends,

0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:33.000
<v Speaker 9>what had happened, and that she was upset about it,

0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:36.679
<v Speaker 9>so the friends could come to no other conclusion that

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<v Speaker 9>she really had met this Newport guy in the Junes. Again, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course she was out with him quite a

0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:49.320
<v Speaker 2>long time the previous night, so it's hard to believe

0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:52.919
<v Speaker 2>that she could mistaken this person for a whole nother person.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems strange to me.

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<v Speaker 9>I think. I think it is absolutely impossible that she

0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:01.640
<v Speaker 9>was mistaken. There's one more element. She was very much

0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:06.360
<v Speaker 9>interested in cars. If so, she described the car, and

0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:09.399
<v Speaker 9>she would never ever have been wrong in describing a

0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:13.320
<v Speaker 9>car because she was very interested in cars. She knew

0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:16.600
<v Speaker 9>everything about it, so that was apart from the person

0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:20.200
<v Speaker 9>that she ad met. She also described the car mentioned

0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:23.560
<v Speaker 9>it to her friends. So in my humble opinion, there

0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:26.399
<v Speaker 9>can be no doubt about the fact that if you

0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:28.600
<v Speaker 9>had met this Newport guy in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Tunes, it does seem very suspicious that just before disappearing,

0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:37.200
<v Speaker 2>if you got bad vibes from a man who was

0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:39.440
<v Speaker 2>hanging out with these younger kids and trying to get

0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:44.000
<v Speaker 2>them drunk. Else continues, she tells me about another lead.

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<v Speaker 2>It may sound similar, but this lead involves another bar

0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:50.760
<v Speaker 2>and man who's a hotel owner in Blunkenberg.

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<v Speaker 9>There is another very very worrying connection, and that is

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<v Speaker 9>the fact that the girls were seen on the night

0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:01.600
<v Speaker 9>of their disappearance. They were seen very close to and

0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:06.520
<v Speaker 9>even in front of a so called Hotel Brazil in Blankenberger.

0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:10.959
<v Speaker 9>They had just assisted a show in the casino, they

0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:13.959
<v Speaker 9>left the casino and then they were seen by several

0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:19.040
<v Speaker 9>witnesses in front of this hotel, so called Hotel Brazil,

0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:22.280
<v Speaker 9>which in fact was not a hotel, a regular hotel.

0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:26.120
<v Speaker 9>It was actually a bar, some kind of a brothel.

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<v Speaker 9>And the owner of this bar was known to the police.

0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:34.000
<v Speaker 9>He was known for human trafficking, he was known for prostitution,

0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:39.959
<v Speaker 9>he was known for keeping illegal arms, so he was

0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:46.080
<v Speaker 9>very much into criminal affairs. Okay, now, what happened. We're

0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:49.639
<v Speaker 9>talking about the twenty second of August. But as you know,

0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:54.119
<v Speaker 9>two months prior to that, two little girls disappeared in

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<v Speaker 9>Grassologne in the Liege area, and one witness in this

0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:02.240
<v Speaker 9>case wrote a letter to the police saying that he

0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:05.360
<v Speaker 9>had seen at the spot where the girls presumably were

0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:10.480
<v Speaker 9>taken a red car, and he also mentioned the license plate. Now,

0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:14.600
<v Speaker 9>the fact is that this license plate belonged to a

0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:18.240
<v Speaker 9>friend of this bar owner in Blankenberger, the owner of

0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:22.399
<v Speaker 9>Hotel Brazil. But moreover, this friend of his with a

0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:26.280
<v Speaker 9>license plate that was seen in Grasslona also stayed at

0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:29.720
<v Speaker 9>the Hotel Brazil during the summer of nineteen ninety five.

0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:34.680
<v Speaker 9>So eventually this bar owner he was questioned by the police.

0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 9>He was questioned the first time on the first of

0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:42.199
<v Speaker 9>October nineteen ninety six, and then one time or a

0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:45.680
<v Speaker 9>second time on the sixteenth of October. But after that

0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 9>he actually vanished from the earth. So he left. He

0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:53.879
<v Speaker 9>left Blankemberger. He announced to the local authorities that he

0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 9>would go to Germany, but in Germany there was no

0:25:57.119 --> 0:26:02.320
<v Speaker 9>trace of him left. So in Belgium the detectives could

0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:05.359
<v Speaker 9>take no further action. He was not involved in the

0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:06.680
<v Speaker 9>investigation anymore.

0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Remember that mysterious red car in episode one. Could it

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:16.119
<v Speaker 2>be a coincidence that the license plate number reported by

0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:19.360
<v Speaker 2>the doctor and liege after the disappearance of Julian Melissa

0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:22.399
<v Speaker 2>is almost an exact match to a license plate that

0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:24.919
<v Speaker 2>leads right to one of the last places Anne and

0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:29.520
<v Speaker 2>Efia were seen alive. It's a bit confusing, so let's

0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:30.520
<v Speaker 2>summarize the facts.

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<v Speaker 6>At this point.

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<v Speaker 2>More than one witness claims to have seen Anne and

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Effia after the hypnotist show in front of the Hotel

0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:44.159
<v Speaker 2>Brazil or nearby in the same street in Blankenbega. The

0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:47.159
<v Speaker 2>owner of this hotel and bar had previously been charged

0:26:47.200 --> 0:26:52.320
<v Speaker 2>with engaging in prostitution and human trafficking. A friend of

0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:54.439
<v Speaker 2>the hotel and bar owner, who is staying at the

0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Hotel Brazil when Anne and Efi went missing, owns a

0:26:57.560 --> 0:27:00.520
<v Speaker 2>car with a license plate that's almost in a exact

0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:03.720
<v Speaker 2>match to a license plate identified by a witness of

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:07.359
<v Speaker 2>a suspicious car in Grasselogna under the bridge where Julian

0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:11.399
<v Speaker 2>Melissa disappeared. After the owner of the Hotel Brazil was

0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:14.800
<v Speaker 2>questioned by police, he disappeared from Belgium and was never

0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:18.400
<v Speaker 2>seen again, despite police searches in Belgium and Germany, where

0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:21.560
<v Speaker 2>he said he was relocating. To this day, there are

0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:29.399
<v Speaker 2>still questions about this man's potential involvement. One of the

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:31.800
<v Speaker 2>witnesses who claimed to have seen Anne an Effia in

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:34.840
<v Speaker 2>front of the Hotel Brazil. Was a butcher named Eric

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.760
<v Speaker 2>van Dam who had his shop and home right next

0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 2>to the hotel. I wanted to speak with him, but

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:44.920
<v Speaker 2>unfortunately he passed away since but I was actually able

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:47.919
<v Speaker 2>to track down his son, Dirk van Dam, who agreed

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:51.200
<v Speaker 2>to speak with me. This is the first time he's

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:55.400
<v Speaker 2>ever been recorded speaking about this. Dirk is a jovial

0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:58.639
<v Speaker 2>man in his early fifties. He has red hair and

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:01.400
<v Speaker 2>a sturdy build and speaks with the sort of earnest

0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 2>directness that you often find in the Dutch speaking region

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 2>of Flanders. He had a lot to say about the

0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Hotel Brazil and its owner. At this point, I don't

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 2>want to accuse or implicate anyone without deeper investigation, so

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:18.560
<v Speaker 2>I've bleeped out the name of the man he's talking about.

0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 3>It's somebody who left a very deep psychological imprint to

0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:27.879
<v Speaker 3>me in my life. As you know, or my father

0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:32.040
<v Speaker 3>was a butcher at his own butcher shop in Blankenberg

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.920
<v Speaker 3>at the time of the disappearing of an an Athia.

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 3>My father thought that he had seen on an Athia

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:45.440
<v Speaker 3>at the Hotel Brazil, which was next door the butcher

0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 3>shop and the house where my father lived. The hotel

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<v Speaker 3>Brazil at the time was owned by and my father

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<v Speaker 3>came in conflicts with this person us At a certain time,

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<v Speaker 3>he found a young woman outside of his front door,

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<v Speaker 3>because the two entrances of the houses were next to

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<v Speaker 3>each other, literally next to each other, and he found

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<v Speaker 3>outside the front door of his house, he found a

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<v Speaker 3>young woman, a Brazilian woman, crying and who had been beaten,

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<v Speaker 3>and my father took the woman inside, and it turned

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<v Speaker 3>out that this woman had been fetched from Brazil by

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<v Speaker 3>whose wife I recall I think was Brazilian, and she

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<v Speaker 3>had been brought to Belgium with the expectation that she

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<v Speaker 3>would have work, but in reality it was meant for prostitution,

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<v Speaker 3>and mister had taken all documents, passport so that he

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<v Speaker 3>controlled this woman. My father then contacted the police and

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<v Speaker 3>the police went inside the house, found another woman and

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<v Speaker 3>also found weapons in the house, and as a result

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<v Speaker 3>of that was put to jail for a certain time. Afterwards,

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<v Speaker 3>we had a lot of problems with the man. If

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<v Speaker 3>we went outside, if we showed our faces at each time,

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<v Speaker 3>we were stocked. Everybody came to our house was stocked

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<v Speaker 3>because of that was the situation with the Brazilian woman.

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<v Speaker 6>What can you tell me about him as a person?

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<v Speaker 3>For me, it was a psychopaths. I think that's the

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<v Speaker 3>correct description of the man, because a psychopath is somebody

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<v Speaker 3>who understands emotions, who manipulates. So it's very good at

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<v Speaker 3>manipulating people. But it's really inside is a old hearted man.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's the best way to describe this man,

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<v Speaker 3>because he could be friendly to people and at the

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<v Speaker 3>same time, or in a split second, be very aggressive

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<v Speaker 3>to me or to somebody else, enjoying the fear that

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<v Speaker 3>he spreads when he did those things.

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<v Speaker 2>Did he actually you talk about stalking? Did he ever

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<v Speaker 2>attack you or your father?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, yes, yes, yes yes.

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<v Speaker 3>For instance, we had a garage at the other side

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<v Speaker 3>of the street where we parked the car. It was

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<v Speaker 3>very simple. I only had to go to the garage,

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<v Speaker 3>and he often came across the street with somebody else

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<v Speaker 3>to physically attack me.

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<v Speaker 6>So he attacked you physically more than one time?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes all the time.

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<v Speaker 6>And with other people too, or yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah it happened with other people. It also happened one

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<v Speaker 3>time that my father drove out of the garage, and

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<v Speaker 3>my father wasn't a big man. He was one meter

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<v Speaker 3>seventy that a very big man, a German Man opened

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<v Speaker 3>the door, smiled and said he took my father by

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<v Speaker 3>the just and said he shoffered us, I will do that,

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<v Speaker 3>which showed the intention of harming my father a grave

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<v Speaker 3>dangerous way. His whole being was. It was a really

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<v Speaker 3>in deep and evil man.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, what was this relationship with his Brazilian wife?

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<v Speaker 3>Will I won't say this from who I know it,

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<v Speaker 3>matt I will I will tell you in another time,

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<v Speaker 3>but from good source that his wife was very scared

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<v Speaker 3>of him, so that she feared him as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you heard that he left the country very

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly after all of this came out, did you think

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<v Speaker 2>that he could be the kind of guy who would

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<v Speaker 2>be involved and you know, abduct children or something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I have no doubt, no doubt at all that he

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<v Speaker 3>might be involved, no doubts about that.

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<v Speaker 2>So who is this mysterious man and what can we

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<v Speaker 2>find out about him? Is he alive? If so, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't appear he's in Belgium. Maybe he's in Germany or Brazil.

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<v Speaker 2>If he is alive, it'd be interesting to find him

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<v Speaker 2>and question him about his friend with the red car

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<v Speaker 2>and the girl's disappearance. At the time, no one thought

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<v Speaker 2>that the two disappearances in these vastly different regions of

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<v Speaker 2>Belgium were related. One thing is for sure, even to

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<v Speaker 2>this day, twenty five years later, the families of Anne

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<v Speaker 2>and Effia would like to know what happened between the

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<v Speaker 2>time the Hypnotist show ended and their girls were last seen.

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<v Speaker 2>The show ended at around eleven to fifteen pm, so

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<v Speaker 2>they would have had plenty of time catch the last

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<v Speaker 2>tram at eleven forty four pm. Their friends who had

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<v Speaker 2>previously attended the show specifically warned them not to miss

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<v Speaker 2>this tram because it was the last one that went

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<v Speaker 2>all the way back to Westenda where they were staying.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they just missed it, but you'd have expected them

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<v Speaker 2>to take the next tram leaving at twelve fourteen am.

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<v Speaker 2>But they didn't take that one either. They took the

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<v Speaker 2>last one, leaving at twelve forty four am that ended

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<v Speaker 2>service at Ostenda at one eighteen am, where they were

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<v Speaker 2>last seen by a taxi driver outside the station. What

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<v Speaker 2>we're in in ef youa doing in the two hours

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<v Speaker 2>between when the show ended and they were last seen

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<v Speaker 2>and what happened to them in Ostenda before they vanished.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there were four sets of parents desperately looking for

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<v Speaker 2>their children in two very different parts of the country. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>more parents would soon join this list. Next time, on

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<v Speaker 2>La Montre.

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<v Speaker 10>The other at around nine am, the phone rang and

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<v Speaker 10>Captain Ballar informed me that a fourteen year old girl

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<v Speaker 10>went missing the previous evening in the village of Bear Tree.

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<v Speaker 5>A colleague of mine, Fred vor Nambussa, and all the journalists.

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<v Speaker 5>He published a book in those days. The title was

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<v Speaker 5>young Girls Don't Disappear just like that, and it was

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<v Speaker 5>a perfect way of expressing what we all felt because

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<v Speaker 5>every summer there were young girls getting killed or disappeared, right,

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<v Speaker 5>and there was a very strange and difference among the people,

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<v Speaker 5>but among the police as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Really neat, I brought together the parents and the authorities

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<v Speaker 4>who have been criticizing face to face. You have to

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<v Speaker 4>note that the judge appointed you oversee the investigation left

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<v Speaker 4>for a five week vacation a few days after being appointed,

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<v Speaker 4>as luck.

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<v Speaker 10>Would have it, by a young man who had given

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<v Speaker 10>us information on Monday. I thought he remembered part of

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<v Speaker 10>a license plate number.

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