WEBVTT - It's a Trap!

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to stuff to blow your mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, wanting to stuff to about your mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. Julie,

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<v Speaker 1>were you able to make it to work today without

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<v Speaker 1>finding yourself trapped and snared or otherwise captured by some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of large arachnet or insect barely bare sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like metal arachnets traffic? Yeah, yeah, I took the train,

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<v Speaker 1>so I had to deal with actual giant arachnets in

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<v Speaker 1>the subway tunnels. But but generally, I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're just going about their business. All they want to

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<v Speaker 1>do is protect their young and lay more if they're young,

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<v Speaker 1>inside your belly. And can you blame them? I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's especially on a cold day like this,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the warmest place to delay them your your brood

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<v Speaker 1>of eggs. Yes, seventeen degrees in the south here, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So what we're talking about, if you guys are picking

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<v Speaker 1>up what we're putting down here, are traps, Yes, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as humans were pretty good tool users, we

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<v Speaker 1>create traps all the time. But out there in nature

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<v Speaker 1>there's stuff going on. Yeah, I mean, human traps are

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<v Speaker 1>almost limitless. I mean, you can start with the really

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<v Speaker 1>basic stuff, like you just take a like a tiger pit.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, here's a pit, cover it with some some brush.

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<v Speaker 1>After I've dug it out, something walks across the top,

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<v Speaker 1>it falls in. Now I've caught myself a tiger or

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<v Speaker 1>a person or what have you. There's a and then

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to up the anti, maybe you have

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<v Speaker 1>a sticks at the bottom of it, a sharpened stick

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<v Speaker 1>so that someone falls in, then they're going to potentially

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<v Speaker 1>be impaled upon those sticks. You have simple animal traps.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever used one of these, like to catch

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<v Speaker 1>wild animals or cats for Spade in the Neutering No,

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<v Speaker 1>we we My wife and I did a little of

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<v Speaker 1>that at our previous house. And it's, uh, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty wild stuff because you'll catch multiple things. We were

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<v Speaker 1>trying to At one point we were trying to catch

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<v Speaker 1>a dog that like a puppy that was in the

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood and it was, you know, sweet little dog but

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<v Speaker 1>clearly had no owner, was eating garbage and we gotta

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<v Speaker 1>catch this dog. We can, we can do some good

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<v Speaker 1>for this dock. But ultimately that dog was too wary. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>we caught like three different possums. We caught two different

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<v Speaker 1>stray cats, and that eventually led into doing some spandar

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<v Speaker 1>during with those guys, and then we caught our own

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<v Speaker 1>cat twice. Was this just a day of like catching things?

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<v Speaker 1>Was just like, hey, we're gonna go out and we've

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<v Speaker 1>got this trap. You know, just set it up in

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<v Speaker 1>the night, you catch a possums, set it up in

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<v Speaker 1>the day, you catch your own cat, that kind of thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then then ideally that I think the county would

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<v Speaker 1>come and take it away. But but yeah, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>fun little trap. But then there are there are far

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<v Speaker 1>less fun traps that we've devised. Of course, when you

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<v Speaker 1>get into the world of land mines, we create explosive devices,

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<v Speaker 1>uh that that that you know triggered one one steps

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<v Speaker 1>on them or when you know, some proximity mind of

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<v Speaker 1>some kind, and and those are of course, uh, pretty

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<v Speaker 1>deadly and pretty horrible inventions. But throughout all of this

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<v Speaker 1>we we tend to think, well, hey, that's humans were

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<v Speaker 1>tool users. We make things, We make things that react

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<v Speaker 1>to the presence of others. We create all of these, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>these traps. Be it's something rather simple like a little

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<v Speaker 1>box of a twig or or something advanced like a landmine.

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<v Speaker 1>We're wildy, we're clever. Yeah, there couldn't be any other

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<v Speaker 1>animal or insect or arachnid out there that could be

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<v Speaker 1>as clever as us. Uh, that is not true. We're wrong. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And specifically in this podcast, we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>arachnids and insects creatures that we can't We generally just

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<v Speaker 1>think there's no way that these guys are up to

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<v Speaker 1>anything on the level of human beings. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't help but think of Charlotte's Web when we

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<v Speaker 1>were looking at this material. Because spiders obviously are featured

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<v Speaker 1>pretty well in this area of trapping things, we tend

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<v Speaker 1>to think about them as these passive trappers. But I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking about Charlotte A cavodica in in Charlotte's Web,

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<v Speaker 1>and how when Wilburt figures out that she's like basically

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<v Speaker 1>sucking the blood out of these insects, He's just recoils

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<v Speaker 1>and Horror doesn't necessarily want to be friends with her,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she kind of lays it down for him, like, look,

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<v Speaker 1>this is how I survive. You get things brought to

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<v Speaker 1>you in a piale you, you lucky pig. I I

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<v Speaker 1>have to use my wits, and I come from generations

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<v Speaker 1>and generations of trappers. Yeah, and I don't think a

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<v Speaker 1>pig has a lot of room to judge a spider really.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, pigs are not above doing a little killing

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<v Speaker 1>for their their food. Well, sure, but in this instance,

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<v Speaker 1>and particularly in this story, it was it was this

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<v Speaker 1>great moment where it's like, you know, you can't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>judge another person, animal insect for the behavior because they're

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<v Speaker 1>just doing what survival needs them to do. And so

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<v Speaker 1>that is what I think is so interesting about spiders

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<v Speaker 1>and their traps, because it's fascinating these these webs that

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<v Speaker 1>they create, and as you have pointed out in an

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<v Speaker 1>earlier conversation with me, sometimes they don't even have a web. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's one thing about spiders. I mean, Cope, we have

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<v Speaker 1>to go to spiders first, because they are They're the

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<v Speaker 1>animal you think of when you think of an a

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<v Speaker 1>will laying a trap. I mean, the spiderweb itself is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a metaphor for any kind of a trap

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<v Speaker 1>or enscarement, or some sort of complex system of ensnaring

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<v Speaker 1>someone or something. But yeah, a lot of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of spiders are don't actually spin webs, so they don't

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<v Speaker 1>use their silk and hunting at all. They're just using

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<v Speaker 1>them as building materials um or you know, to create

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<v Speaker 1>a nursery. Or they're using them as a drag line.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sort of, you know, a mountain climbing a line

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<v Speaker 1>to use in the navigating their environment. But then there

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<v Speaker 1>are a number of spiders that do use their web,

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<v Speaker 1>and we we generally, we generally go to the orb

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<v Speaker 1>web spiders first because that's the more um iconic spider web,

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<v Speaker 1>that big orb shaped web. Flies fly into them and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the spider comes and and creeps across the

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<v Speaker 1>web and fix them off and and generally that's our

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<v Speaker 1>When we think of giant spiders in fantasy and sci fi,

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<v Speaker 1>they tend to be a giant orb spider. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>just one of the many different ways that different species

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<v Speaker 1>of spiders use their webs, generally in some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>hunting or trapping scenario. Yeah, and this is from the

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<v Speaker 1>article how Spiders Worked by Tom Harris. I thought this

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<v Speaker 1>was such a great description of spiders. He says, spiders

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<v Speaker 1>are predators above all else, so hunting and killing is

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<v Speaker 1>where they really shine in the bug world. Spiders are

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<v Speaker 1>fairly fearsome animals. They're the tiny equivalent of wolves, lions,

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<v Speaker 1>or sharks. Yeah, they're basically second only to the wasp

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<v Speaker 1>because the wasp is just gonna rule over the spider

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<v Speaker 1>every time. It's true. And we recently were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>how if you could just somehow, through the power of alchemy,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, uh, miniaturize us humans. I would have

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<v Speaker 1>to say that if we if right now, if I

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<v Speaker 1>were just about, you know, a fourth of an inch tall,

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<v Speaker 1>if a spider was coming at me, this would be

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that I dreaded the most, more than a

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<v Speaker 1>cockroach or really anything else. Yeah, I mean the spiders

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<v Speaker 1>would be fighting over you. It's the thing. Yeah, in

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<v Speaker 1>that sense, you have a certain amount of power. You'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like you'd be like the wife of Ulysses, where

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<v Speaker 1>you have all the suitors coming for you, right and

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<v Speaker 1>you get to you get to make ridiculous demands of

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<v Speaker 1>your various spider suitors, which one will get to devour you.

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<v Speaker 1>And still I would not take it as a compliment.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do a quick anatomy of a web, because, as

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<v Speaker 1>you say, you know or spiderweb classic here. Um, if

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<v Speaker 1>you look at how a spider constructs a web, it

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<v Speaker 1>all begins with silk line that is cast out into

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<v Speaker 1>the wind. And when the spider census it's caught upon something,

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<v Speaker 1>it will sense a starting point and use that connection

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<v Speaker 1>as a bridge. And this is really cool. Um. You

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<v Speaker 1>can actually see how this works in an article called

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<v Speaker 1>how spiders Work. And when that spider crosses that bridge,

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<v Speaker 1>it actually drops another loose thread and it climbs down

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<v Speaker 1>on this thread and creates a kind of y configuration.

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<v Speaker 1>And from here on out it will start to create these, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know, I guess you could call them anchor points,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have the sort of V configuration, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it starts to lay out these radius points from the

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<v Speaker 1>center of the web to the thread. So now you

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<v Speaker 1>have these non sticky auxiliary spirals that it creates. And

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why it creates these non sticky parsons because

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<v Speaker 1>that's the part that it's going to actually travel on

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<v Speaker 1>the web, and then it creates another spiral that is sticky.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's amazing to me is that it's created this

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<v Speaker 1>complex web, but it has also given itself a pathway

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<v Speaker 1>on which to to tread. It Yeah, it's it's really fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that's top and overlooked is that indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>not all spider web is sticky, and they're in some

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<v Speaker 1>of these structures that we're going to discuss, some of

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<v Speaker 1>these traps and uh and web environments that are not

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<v Speaker 1>even sticky at all. So um so, yeah, the orb

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<v Speaker 1>orb web spider, the orb webs, the big iconic web.

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<v Speaker 1>But then there are a number of other ones we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go through. Some of these, uh, some bear more

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned than others. For instance, triangle spiders make triangular webs,

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<v Speaker 1>and these are essentially like imagine the orb web, and

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<v Speaker 1>imagine if you cut a pizza sized uh slice of

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<v Speaker 1>that web, that would essentially be a triangle whip. Otherwise,

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<v Speaker 1>it's basically the same idea, just on a smaller scale.

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<v Speaker 1>Now where it starts getting a little more interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>get into the world of funnel spiders. Now, funnel spiders

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<v Speaker 1>they make a sheet of silk and then they wrap

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<v Speaker 1>them up and they to make this funnel, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just like taking a newspaper and rolling it up right, uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And the funnels have a big opening on one end,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's so where they catch the prey. And they

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<v Speaker 1>also have a small opening in the back and that's

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<v Speaker 1>the escape hatch in case the spider needs to run

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<v Speaker 1>for it. Okay, and it's not sticky, but the idea

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<v Speaker 1>here is that the spiders can move around really easily

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<v Speaker 1>in this uh, this funnel environment. They've basically made a

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<v Speaker 1>you know, home turf killing room where they have a

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<v Speaker 1>maximum ownership over their prey. So that in itself is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty pretty amazing. It's not not exactly a trap, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's a It's they've created an environment that they have

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<v Speaker 1>just absolute control over and uh and and an outsider

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<v Speaker 1>is going going to be an outsider in that that

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<v Speaker 1>web of death. And I like thinking about it in

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<v Speaker 1>that way because it moves this idea from spiders is

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<v Speaker 1>creating these passive traps to really being tool users and

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<v Speaker 1>really premeditating the kills that they exact. Yeah, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>if a like if a serial killer was that was

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of would bring somebody back to his or

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<v Speaker 1>her apartment, and they knew exactly where they had the uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, their murder weapon stashed, where they had the

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<v Speaker 1>various instruments, where the escape routes were going to be. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>a complete home turf advantage, and that's what the funnel

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<v Speaker 1>spider creates here. Now, another thing is that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of these webs will have a kind of anchor thread,

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<v Speaker 1>and this anchor thread sometimes is used to get on

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<v Speaker 1>and off of that spider web, but in most cases

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<v Speaker 1>it actually used is used as a kind of um

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<v Speaker 1>trip wire. And it's so sensitive and the spider can

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<v Speaker 1>tell so much from the movement that it can actually

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<v Speaker 1>know if it's a leaf that's hit it, or if

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<v Speaker 1>it's just the wind, or if it is indeed the

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<v Speaker 1>vibrations from an insect. Yeah, So they wouldn't fooled to, say,

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<v Speaker 1>by a child's finger poking in or something. Yeah, probably not.

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<v Speaker 1>They would probably know pretty soon that they were about

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<v Speaker 1>to be scooped up, put under a magnifying glass and

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<v Speaker 1>then set on fire. Now, a number of different spiders

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<v Speaker 1>these webs that are far less complex their cobweb spiders,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and then everyone knows what a cobweb is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a small random mess of silk strings. Just

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<v Speaker 1>throw it together and see what gets caught in it. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Mesh web spiders very similar. You'll find often find these

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<v Speaker 1>in grassy fields, under stones and dead leaves. Uh. Their

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<v Speaker 1>sheet web spiders that basically make webs that are formed

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<v Speaker 1>out of the different sheets of the silk and there's

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of jumbled together and not a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>large gaps to be found there though. One interesting type

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<v Speaker 1>of sheet web spiders are the bowl and doily spiders. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>what the spider does in this situation is it makes

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<v Speaker 1>an inverted dome shaped web, kind of like a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like a bowl, all right, and that's suspended above a

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<v Speaker 1>horizontal sheet web, and that's the that's the doily, and

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<v Speaker 1>the spider hangs from the underside of the dome and

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<v Speaker 1>attacks prey. So you have to look at pictures of

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<v Speaker 1>that one, because it's a pretty pretty phenomenal looking web.

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<v Speaker 1>It just looks like some sort of crazy space structure.

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<v Speaker 1>And I like that there's a doily like a nod

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<v Speaker 1>to your grandmother's coffee table drink on top of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Um that reminds me of something called a net casting spider.

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<v Speaker 1>And this can be found across the world in tropical

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<v Speaker 1>and subtropical regions, and it's also known as the ogre

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<v Speaker 1>faced spider because of its distinctive really big eyes and

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<v Speaker 1>that helps them to see prey during the nighttime. But

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<v Speaker 1>what's notable about this is that they build cobweb sacks

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<v Speaker 1>that are held open with their front legs and they

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<v Speaker 1>have an anchor threat on it. Okay, and there's that

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<v Speaker 1>anchor thread that acts as a trip wire. And the

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<v Speaker 1>really cool thing is that when this spider sensus a vibration,

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<v Speaker 1>it will drop that net that it's holding with its

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<v Speaker 1>leg over the insect and a thousands of a second.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good. It's amazing. There's some really cool footage of

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<v Speaker 1>this on BBC. But it kind of reminds me of

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<v Speaker 1>like a character out of a mob movie. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>like throwing a hood over, you know, unpecting person and

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<v Speaker 1>drag them off and hit them with a bag of oranges. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>another that type of spider that does something just really

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<v Speaker 1>amazing with its web are the the Ceclosu spiders. And

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<v Speaker 1>these these guys they make a they make a more

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<v Speaker 1>or a standard web and and so you know, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not really impressed by that, but they make a decoy

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<v Speaker 1>of themselves in the web. They craft this out of leaves,

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<v Speaker 1>bits of dead insects, you know, the normal type of

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<v Speaker 1>craft that a spider is gonna find and in some

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<v Speaker 1>of these cases it even has the correct number of legs,

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<v Speaker 1>like it will even have eight legs on it. So

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<v Speaker 1>what they've created here is the decoy to confuse predators,

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<v Speaker 1>and if the spider is disturbed, it vibrates the web.

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<v Speaker 1>It vibrates its body, which vibrates the web, which causes

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<v Speaker 1>the decoy to vibrate and look even more lifelike. So

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, if it senses that there's a predator round,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll start to say, it'll start to shake it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the decoin be like, hey, I'm over here, I'm over here.

0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.720
<v Speaker 1>And in most times these decoys are much larger than

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<v Speaker 1>the spider itself. Yeah, so it can easily hyeah. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the other thing. It's a much larger spiders, a scarier

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<v Speaker 1>vision of the spider than it's than it actually creates itself.

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<v Speaker 1>But the amazing part of that, I mean, just stop

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<v Speaker 1>for second to think about this. This is interacted, lowly iracted,

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<v Speaker 1>and it has created uh an artistic interpretation of itself. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I was sitting here thinking that it has

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<v Speaker 1>the ability to understand what it looks like. And presumably

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<v Speaker 1>it's not sitting around with a mirror, you know, looking

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<v Speaker 1>inside the mirror, maybe a giant water droplet and looking

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<v Speaker 1>at the reflection. But in some way it can figure

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<v Speaker 1>out the dimensions of itself and recreate them. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It brings to mind that that episode we did on

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<v Speaker 1>the Cracking and where we discuss the controversial theory that

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<v Speaker 1>these there is some prehistoric um cephalopods that would take

0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:04.000
<v Speaker 1>prehistorics sea creatures and crunch their bodies and create basically

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<v Speaker 1>a work of art that resembles themselves, which if you

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<v Speaker 1>if you just look at it that way, then yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's mind blowing but also a little potentially a little crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>But the but the idea that that this particular squid,

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<v Speaker 1>this prehistoric squid might have been making a decoy of

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<v Speaker 1>itself out of the bodies of its victims, well that

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<v Speaker 1>is a little more in keeping with what we're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>here with the spiders. So I'm not saying it makes me,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fall behind that cracking theory, but I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it gives it a little more, a little more beef.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I mean that that's a spider as an artist,

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<v Speaker 1>but what about as an architect, as an engineer? Ah? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And in this we get into the world of the

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<v Speaker 1>trap door spiders. These guys really up the anti here

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<v Speaker 1>because what they are doing is they're they're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like taking the the idea of the you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>funnel web, but they're they're they're taking it to the

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<v Speaker 1>next level. So trapdoor spiders are essentially large spiders that

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<v Speaker 1>are close relatives of tarantulas. And they build these two

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<v Speaker 1>black tunnels in the side of of of a bank. Okay, uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They dig the tunnel, then they reinforce it with a

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<v Speaker 1>mixture of earth and saliva, and then they add a

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<v Speaker 1>layer of silk on top of that. So it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just I dug a hole and I'm gonna hide in it. No,

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<v Speaker 1>They've crafted a hole. This is like the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>tunnel of you know, you would hear about in the

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<v Speaker 1>Great Escape, where there's all this like structuring behind it. Right,

0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.480
<v Speaker 1>they've smoothed out the tunnel. And the reason for this

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<v Speaker 1>is that because eventually this tunnel could be used for

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<v Speaker 1>bringing up some young uns right right, and and just

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<v Speaker 1>ease of movement through it. They again, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like the idea of the funnel. They won't have maximum

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<v Speaker 1>control over this environment, maximum maneuverability within it. So they

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<v Speaker 1>have this uh, this this hole, this fancy tunnel on

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<v Speaker 1>the side of this bank. But then they add the

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<v Speaker 1>final touch, and the final touch is they add a

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<v Speaker 1>trap door. Now there are two types. There's like a

0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.480
<v Speaker 1>court type trap door, which is thick and it's fitted,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's this wafer type door, which is basically

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<v Speaker 1>just a sheet of silk and dirt. But either way,

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<v Speaker 1>they're both hinged like a like a really elaborate web hinge. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's amazing just to think that they could

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<v Speaker 1>fit the trap door in there, and by the way

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<v Speaker 1>that that one that's fit has a beveled edge, actually

0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.800
<v Speaker 1>fits in there. But it's that hinge that makes it

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<v Speaker 1>so amazing. And that's when you sit there and say,

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<v Speaker 1>how could you say this is not a tool user. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they've used granted they've used something that's come

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<v Speaker 1>out of their own body, but they combine that with

0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:29.200
<v Speaker 1>elements of the world around them to create this totally

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<v Speaker 1>artificial environment. Yeah. I mean, they've created this hatch that

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<v Speaker 1>they can surprise prey with because they feel the vibrations

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<v Speaker 1>of that prey coming along and then say ha ha,

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<v Speaker 1>here I am snatch you and I'm gonna take you

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<v Speaker 1>down into my tunnel, and maybe there's even some little

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<v Speaker 1>children here that would like to eat. Yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes it depends on this the exact species, but sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>they are there are branching corridors in the tunnel. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>they are multiple trap doors. It's essentially they build a

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<v Speaker 1>hobbit hole. It's like if if if you had a

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<v Speaker 1>hobbit hole, and then if you got too close to

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<v Speaker 1>the door, Froda would jump out and drag you inside

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<v Speaker 1>and suck all your blood out. Why is that terrifying?

0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:06.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Froda is not typically terrifying, but why in

0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:09.520
<v Speaker 1>that context, just because he's up to no good? He's sneaky,

0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.800
<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, I feel like there's some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>distent memory from Sin City that has melded with that

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<v Speaker 1>to sor Yeah, well, he's always playing creepy rolls these days.

0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:19.800
<v Speaker 1>He's in that remix of Maniac. I think it is

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<v Speaker 1>all right. Well, let's take a quick break and when

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<v Speaker 1>we get back, we will continue just to to take

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<v Speaker 1>out this house reports in the form of insects and traps.

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<v Speaker 1>We're back, Robert, did you know that there is a

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<v Speaker 1>terrible creature roaming the hundred Agar Woods. This is where

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<v Speaker 1>the backs and fell backs. And yes, that's where Winnie

0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.080
<v Speaker 1>the Pool lives, along with his friends and Christopher Robbins

0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:56.679
<v Speaker 1>and some mythical creature they made up called the Backs.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't remember the facts. I remember the jagular Jack.

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<v Speaker 1>You are, yes. And of course all these plots I

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<v Speaker 1>have discovered, um, you know, reading these to my child

0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:09.760
<v Speaker 1>and watching the movies. It's all based on miscommunication, isn't

0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:13.679
<v Speaker 1>it comedy of errors? It's very shakespeareance. But in this instance,

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<v Speaker 1>the backson is a misreading of a note that says

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<v Speaker 1>back soon. Uh. You know, all the characters from the

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<v Speaker 1>hundred Acre Woods think that Christopher Robbins has been taken

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<v Speaker 1>by this backs, And so they create a pit, of

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<v Speaker 1>course classic, and they cover the pit with a picnic blanket.

0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.280
<v Speaker 1>They anchor it with stones, and they put an empty

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<v Speaker 1>honey jar in the middle. Oh, I see where this

0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:38.959
<v Speaker 1>is going, all to trap the Bacs in. But of

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<v Speaker 1>course what happens. We need to poose the backs and

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<v Speaker 1>all along. No, we need the Pooh, being a bear

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<v Speaker 1>of very little brains eat great huge heart, knows that

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<v Speaker 1>that honey pot is empty, and yet he still falls

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<v Speaker 1>for it. He still sees it and he goes for it. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>The point is traps abound everywhere. Children's imaginations, arachnids, and

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<v Speaker 1>in something called ant lions. Yes, the ant lion has

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<v Speaker 1>long been a favorite of mine. I remember when I

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<v Speaker 1>was a kid living in rural Tennessee, we would, uh

0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.080
<v Speaker 1>we I would go down to the to this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of sandy spot near our house, and I would watch

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<v Speaker 1>the ant lions in action and kind of and try

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<v Speaker 1>to poke a little sticks down to rile them up. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're not familiar with what an antline is, um,

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<v Speaker 1>they are essentially the star Lac from Star Wars. Like

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<v Speaker 1>basically that's the concept, except on a much smaller level.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're just the perfect creature for the twelve year

0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:39.440
<v Speaker 1>old boy and all of us. Um. By the way,

0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:46.439
<v Speaker 1>my daughter calls me star like when she's mad at me. Really, so,

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<v Speaker 1>the ant lion is actually the larval creature here. It's

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<v Speaker 1>he's one of these situations where it's this particular species

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<v Speaker 1>is most famous in its larval stage and it's incomplete stage. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it eventually becomes an aunt griffin. Nobody really cares about

0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:02.720
<v Speaker 1>the ant griffin because it's just kind of boring. It

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<v Speaker 1>flies around, uh and you know, and and and breeds

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<v Speaker 1>and all the important things that an adult insect needs

0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:11.520
<v Speaker 1>to do. But this larval ant lion is the one

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<v Speaker 1>that blazes and a pretty impressive trap. What the ant

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<v Speaker 1>lion does is it digs a pit, all right, and

0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:21.360
<v Speaker 1>it places itself at the bottom. So in the same

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<v Speaker 1>way that a human might create a tiger pit with

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<v Speaker 1>steaks at the bottom, it's doing a similar thing, except

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<v Speaker 1>it is the steak all right. So if it were

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<v Speaker 1>in the Winnie the Pooh plot, it would have been

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<v Speaker 1>Tigger who jumped into the pit and waited for the facts.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess, yeah, pretty much. So these these guys

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<v Speaker 1>are pretty amazing to look at two, because they have

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<v Speaker 1>this really globular abdomen, you know, there's very much in

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<v Speaker 1>keeping with a with a larval creature. But then they

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<v Speaker 1>have this flattened head and these huge sickle shaped jaws. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so they'll dig their way down into this hole with

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<v Speaker 1>their you know, butt first, so that their heads are

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<v Speaker 1>at the top, all right, and then they'll you know,

0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:00.679
<v Speaker 1>they're so they're burrowed in at the bottom of this

0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:03.720
<v Speaker 1>little pit. So an aunt comes along slides into the hole,

0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.600
<v Speaker 1>crawls into the hole, and then they'll start flinging sand

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<v Speaker 1>up one side of the pit, using upward jerks to

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<v Speaker 1>their heads, making it difficult for the ant to escape.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when the ant falls to the bottom, bam,

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<v Speaker 1>they pierce them with those sickle shaped jaws and they

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<v Speaker 1>suck them dry. Right, So you're probably thinking, why so fierce,

0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:24.960
<v Speaker 1>why so silent? So the lambs here with this pit.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason is that their larval stage is three years long.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's a long time to be in that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of stage where you know that you're you needed

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of protein, a lot of energy to to

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<v Speaker 1>grow out of. So think about newborn babies. Were they

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<v Speaker 1>to remain in that stage for three years, they'd have

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<v Speaker 1>to learn to do it on their own a bit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they would. They would grow a very fierce set of mandibles,

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<v Speaker 1>and they might start hunting woodland creatures with these pits.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can kind of understand why they go to

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<v Speaker 1>such lengths to trap prey. Yeah, because I think of

0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:04.400
<v Speaker 1>the caterpillar, right. The caterpillar has to eat a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of material in order to gear up for that metamorphosis

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<v Speaker 1>into its next stage, into its its final stage of

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<v Speaker 1>of life. But it gets to just eat, you know,

0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:16.920
<v Speaker 1>limitless leaves to to. In order to to reach that point,

0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:20.240
<v Speaker 1>the ant lion has to feed off a flesh and

0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:23.760
<v Speaker 1>therefore it has to have these amazing sickle shaped jaws.

0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:27.000
<v Speaker 1>It has to have this really cool um pit based

0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:31.359
<v Speaker 1>hunting style and just laser in ambush to to suck

0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:34.800
<v Speaker 1>itself some some some ants. The next guys are going

0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:39.440
<v Speaker 1>to kind of make these these horrible fierce mandibles look

0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:44.280
<v Speaker 1>like nothing, look like a dream. These are the Amazonian ants.

0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:49.040
<v Speaker 1>And we're talking about a torture rack here. Yes. Uh.

0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:51.159
<v Speaker 1>The the way that I would like to set this

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<v Speaker 1>up for everyone is imagine you were at Chuck E

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<v Speaker 1>Cheese or a carnival or some variation of a carnival

0:23:57.119 --> 0:23:59.639
<v Speaker 1>or Chuck e Cheese. Right, what they always have they

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<v Speaker 1>always have the whack a Mole area. Well they have cheese,

0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:04.000
<v Speaker 1>but they have the whack a Mole game. Right. The

0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:06.680
<v Speaker 1>whack amole game, of course, has is this this platform

0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:09.760
<v Speaker 1>has all these holes and then these moles, these cartoon

0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:11.680
<v Speaker 1>moles will pop up. And what happens when a mole

0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:14.399
<v Speaker 1>pops up, Well you take this hammer and you just

0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:16.880
<v Speaker 1>slam it, or you attempt to you. Of course, it's

0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:19.320
<v Speaker 1>too fast usually for you to actually get the mole,

0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:21.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's frustrating and you won't get your ticket and

0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:23.160
<v Speaker 1>be able to turn that ticket in for a toy.

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<v Speaker 1>This it's okay, Julie's okay. So this will make you

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<v Speaker 1>feel better or maybe worse about the whole scenario. Imagine

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<v Speaker 1>that you went up to one of these whack a

0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Mole games and when you got too close, and let's

0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:36.760
<v Speaker 1>say you reach out and actually touch the surface of it,

0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:41.160
<v Speaker 1>several of the moles came out and grabbed your limbs

0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:44.040
<v Speaker 1>and held you in place against the whack a Mole game.

0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:46.560
<v Speaker 1>You can't move, you're struggling, but they're just holding on tight.

0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:49.320
<v Speaker 1>They're pulling you tighter and tighter. And then a whole

0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:51.240
<v Speaker 1>bunch of other moles emerged on the other side of

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<v Speaker 1>the machine, and they have hypodermic needles loaded with poison,

0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:55.919
<v Speaker 1>and may you start jabbing you with those things and

0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:59.639
<v Speaker 1>injecting you, and then suddenly you're paralyzed. They drag you

0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:02.439
<v Speaker 1>away to their their din and do god knows what

0:25:02.600 --> 0:25:07.480
<v Speaker 1>with you. They tear you limb from limb ah. This

0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:10.199
<v Speaker 1>is the Amazonian aunt, my friends. This is basically what

0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:13.080
<v Speaker 1>it goes on with these guys. I mean, instead of

0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:15.520
<v Speaker 1>the little whack a mole platform, they're just using some

0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:18.879
<v Speaker 1>plant material. Yeah, but they but they definitely constructed. And

0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:21.560
<v Speaker 1>that's the amazing that they basically build their own whackamole

0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:25.639
<v Speaker 1>machine here. Uh, they're torturous whackamo machine. They cut hairs

0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:28.560
<v Speaker 1>from the stem of the plant that they inhabit, and

0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:31.600
<v Speaker 1>they use the tiny fibers to build this spongey snare

0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:34.560
<v Speaker 1>and uh, and indeed it's kind of like a torture

0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:38.440
<v Speaker 1>rack because anything that walks across that surface. They It's

0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:42.879
<v Speaker 1>important to know that they also drill the whackamole holes

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:45.520
<v Speaker 1>in the surface and if your lag, if you're an insect,

0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:47.520
<v Speaker 1>and your leg will fit into one of those holes.

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 1>When you walk across it, they will grab onto it

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:52.480
<v Speaker 1>because they're lurking underneath there. They'll grab onto it, hold

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:55.600
<v Speaker 1>you in place, and once they have you secured, a

0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:58.080
<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of other ants will come up and have

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<v Speaker 1>at you. Yeah, they'll sting you into paralysis. I really

0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:05.280
<v Speaker 1>like this description from this BBC article called fierce ants

0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:08.359
<v Speaker 1>build torture rac Once the prey is well secured by

0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:12.040
<v Speaker 1>jaws fastening all its extremities. It has stretched over the

0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:15.800
<v Speaker 1>platform like an ancient sacrifice to the gods. Yeah. I

0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:19.760
<v Speaker 1>like that. I like a clearly that, like the the

0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:22.719
<v Speaker 1>author was just in total awe of this, uh this,

0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 1>uh the situation, and by all rights they should have been,

0:26:26.080 --> 0:26:29.800
<v Speaker 1>because it's it's it's amazing and you have to I

0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:32.400
<v Speaker 1>mean answer pretty amazing. Anyway, We've seen plenty of examples

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:35.600
<v Speaker 1>of ants. You know, they build these these fabulous colonies.

0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:39.960
<v Speaker 1>In many cases, they're they're they're farming, they're they're bringing

0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:42.359
<v Speaker 1>leaves back in order to to grow their own food

0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:45.960
<v Speaker 1>within the you know, the belly of their colony. So

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:48.320
<v Speaker 1>we we know that answer pretty advanced. We know, we

0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:50.680
<v Speaker 1>we've covered before some of the various ways that they

0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:54.719
<v Speaker 1>wage war, that they that they build their societies. And

0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 1>here's just another example of their amazing ways of working

0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:02.280
<v Speaker 1>together to uh to pull something off, in this case

0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:04.359
<v Speaker 1>the limbs of another creature. Yeah. I was just thinking,

0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:07.760
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm going to revise, uh, my my idea

0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:12.080
<v Speaker 1>of being you know, uh, becoming a little little futition Julie,

0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:16.160
<v Speaker 1>a little tiny Julie and meeting my fate with a spider. Um,

0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:17.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that would be the most fearsome thing.

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:20.160
<v Speaker 1>I think it would be these guys, you think so, yeah,

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:25.360
<v Speaker 1>being torn as under? Yeah, stretched, m m, yeah yeah.

0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 1>I'd be hard pressed to decide which which one I

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 1>would I would find the most nightmareck to encounter. I

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:37.119
<v Speaker 1>guess I tend to side with like the ant lion

0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:41.640
<v Speaker 1>or the trapdoor spider, just because both of them are

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:45.159
<v Speaker 1>the idea of falling into something, falling into an environment

0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:49.200
<v Speaker 1>where where you have no control and then you're consumed

0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:52.000
<v Speaker 1>by the monster and you know, it's like a dark

0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 1>space or pit. I don't know it, just those those

0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:58.399
<v Speaker 1>ideas feel me with with more dread fair enough, but

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:00.359
<v Speaker 1>I guess I would hold up. I feel like maybe

0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I would have a better chance against the ant lion

0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 1>just because it's it's a little simpler trap, whereas the

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:08.959
<v Speaker 1>spider is going to outmaneuver me at every turn. So

0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:12.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say the trapdoor spider is the the

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 1>one that scares me the most. You write the antline,

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 1>they really have to rely on their ability and move

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:20.320
<v Speaker 1>from dirt quickly your way to try to get you

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 1>off course. So you might have a chance there you know,

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:26.399
<v Speaker 1>mentioning the star Lac and the antline. I wonder, And

0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:28.919
<v Speaker 1>I know there's a lot of expanded Universe material out

0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:30.919
<v Speaker 1>there about Star Wars, and I know some of our

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:35.159
<v Speaker 1>listeners have probably read it. Has anyone ever formulated an

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 1>idea of the star Lac? That the star Lac is

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:40.960
<v Speaker 1>a larva and that it is eventually, if it eats enough,

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 1>like you know, Jedi and Goblinman, that it's gonna you know,

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 1>sprout wings and fly off and be some sort of fabulous,

0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:49.479
<v Speaker 1>beautiful creature. I don't know, but I will now when

0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:53.240
<v Speaker 1>I get home, consult my daughter's Star Wars encyclopedia to

0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:55.120
<v Speaker 1>see what they have to say on the matter. That is,

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:57.840
<v Speaker 1>how big is that thing? I think I saw something

0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:01.240
<v Speaker 1>like two characters, and don't She'll rattle off a bunch

0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 1>of them. I mean, I know a good amount of them,

0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:06.240
<v Speaker 1>but there are some that seem extremely obscure to me.

0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:10.240
<v Speaker 1>And uh, it's amazing. She'll tell me the species the

0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:13.480
<v Speaker 1>home planet. Yeah, what's her? What's her absolute favorite? Starts

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Star Wars subject to talk about? Um subject? Well, it's

0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:23.719
<v Speaker 1>Darth Vader. I mean, she's completely preoccupied by his duality,

0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:27.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, that that he was Anakin and became Darth Vader.

0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 1>And I think a lot of kids are intrigued by

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:31.800
<v Speaker 1>that because they begin to understand this idea of good

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 1>and evil forces. Yeah, I remember, you know, being into

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Darth Vader as a kid. I think that was something

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 1>that really attracted you to because it's like that first

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:43.200
<v Speaker 1>villain character that you you you realize it is not

0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 1>just this well of darkness that there is, uh, that

0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:48.840
<v Speaker 1>they fell from grace. I mean it's you know, in

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:51.320
<v Speaker 1>that since it's kind of a satan character, but it's

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:54.320
<v Speaker 1>actually broken down a lot easier for you to consume

0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:57.080
<v Speaker 1>than than the devil is at at that stage in

0:29:57.200 --> 0:30:00.320
<v Speaker 1>your mental development, right, And he's been transformed armed in

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 1>now he's sort of even um, he's even sort of

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:06.560
<v Speaker 1>trapped in his own I would say, not his design,

0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 1>but Emperor Palpatine's design, and he's sort ofly half man

0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:12.520
<v Speaker 1>half droid. Yeah, he's he's a fabulous It's easy to

0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 1>overlook how fabulous the Darth Vader character is when you know,

0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 1>you see him in commercials and stuff nowadays and you've

0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 1>grown up with him, but you know, certainly a fabulous character,

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:22.320
<v Speaker 1>for sure. There's a really funny book out. I don't

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:25.120
<v Speaker 1>know if it's exactly for kids, but it's about like

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Darth Vader and his relationship to his teenage daughter. I

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:30.280
<v Speaker 1>wish I could remember the title right now, but it's

0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:33.320
<v Speaker 1>a very funny stuff. Awesome. I'll have to post it

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:36.320
<v Speaker 1>on the old Facebook. Well, there you go. It's a

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:38.520
<v Speaker 1>trap and it's a good thing. We ended up talking

0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 1>about Star Wars because we got the title for the

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 1>episode from from Star Wars when they when they were fun.

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 1>It's a trap, right exactly. So hey, do we have

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 1>time for listener mail. Yeah, let's toss one out there. Okay, well,

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:53.800
<v Speaker 1>let's call over our droid, our mail droid, and see

0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 1>what we have to read here. All right, here's one

0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:00.320
<v Speaker 1>that comes to us from Colin. Colin, right sin in

0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 1>response to our Uncanny music episode we did around um

0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:06.840
<v Speaker 1>October and around Halloween. He says, Hi, Julian Robert, I

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:08.440
<v Speaker 1>was catching up on the podcast and I felt I

0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:11.280
<v Speaker 1>absolutely had to suggest a soundtrack relating to the Uncanny

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Music episode. The Eerie soundtrack, produced by Jene Paptiste de

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:20.840
<v Speaker 1>lab Companies the two thousands seven French film Water Lilies. Robert,

0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:23.080
<v Speaker 1>I think you will really like this album. Thanks for

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:26.160
<v Speaker 1>the podcast. PS. I do believe the film is available

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 1>on Netflix. I actually I checked this out and uh

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:31.640
<v Speaker 1>and the the artist on this I believe he records

0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:34.040
<v Speaker 1>under the name peril One and it's available. This is

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:36.480
<v Speaker 1>a soundtrack is available in full on SoundCloud from the

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 1>artist himself, and it is really good. I listened to

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:40.800
<v Speaker 1>it like four times in a row when I was

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 1>working the other day. So so thanks Colin for that

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:47.200
<v Speaker 1>music recommendation. Pretty cool. We've got a quick one from Jacqueline.

0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>She says, this is a wonderful show and I'm always

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:50.960
<v Speaker 1>left wishing it was longer. I just listened to the

0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Normalcy Bias podcast. It was excellent and I'm fascinated to

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:56.720
<v Speaker 1>learn more. I was inspired to hunt down the episode

0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>on the rat King, which we referenced. In that episode,

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 1>she says, I used to work at a semi secret

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 1>underground animal testing lab. I was a rat keeper. It

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 1>was under a complex of cutting edge hospitals. On breaks

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 1>and lunchtime, the hazmat cleaner would come down and eat

0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 1>with us. He was an extremely eccentric man, but one

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 1>of his rants was about the rat king. We never

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 1>understood one on Earth he was talking about, and now

0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 1>it's making so much more sense after all these years.

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 1>It's wonderful to have to have it come full circle

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:26.200
<v Speaker 1>and find out he wasn't as much of a loon

0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:28.680
<v Speaker 1>as we thought he was l o L. I had

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 1>never even considered that there was extant folklore or documented

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 1>clusters of rats. I just thought it was something his

0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:39.440
<v Speaker 1>mind concocted as a result of his fairly traumatic job.

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<v Speaker 1>As always, I learned so much. Thank you for your

0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 1>work and the entertaining show. There's so much I love

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 1>about this um. There's a semi secret underground animal testing.

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:51.360
<v Speaker 1>There's the Hasmat person who now I want to go

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 1>to my my nearest has Matt person and find out

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:57.920
<v Speaker 1>all the secrets of every building. Perhaps I don't want

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 1>because I love this because I'm inagining like an underground complex.

0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:04.320
<v Speaker 1>And then there's like the break room and the mister room,

0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:07.080
<v Speaker 1>and they're having uh, you know, lunch with this dude

0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 1>in a full hazmat suit. Who's who's really breaking down

0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 1>the seriousness of the rat king threat? Right? And they're like,

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:16.040
<v Speaker 1>oh man, he's gonna say he's gonna bring up the

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 1>rat king. Good stuff. Thank you so much. Jaqueline. All right,

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