Speaker 1: Hey there everyone, Welcome back to the Betting Pros NFL podcast,
Speaker 1: brought to you by Bett MGM. I'm your host, Dan Harris.
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Dan Harris eighty.
Speaker 1: It is time for our early look at next week's lines.
Speaker 1: And with me today to break it all down is
Speaker 1: Dave Cocain, a longtime Las Vegas sports handicapper and host
Speaker 1: of the LV Sports Line. You can find him on
Speaker 1: Twitter at Dave Coke and Dave. How's it going?
Speaker 2: Pretty good?
Speaker 3: Coming out of a crazy weekend in the NFL where
Speaker 3: all the home teams covered at least going into the
Speaker 3: Monday night game. And I'm not a trivia guy, so
Speaker 3: I don't know the last time that happened, but it's
Speaker 3: obviously a very rare occurrence.
Speaker 1: Now. Technically though the Jaguars were home right in London,
Speaker 1: I don't know what we do about.
Speaker 2: That, right, Yeah, that's we'll call that a neutral.
Speaker 1: I think we'll call that a neutral. I agree as well,
Speaker 1: even though they've been over there pretty much every year
Speaker 1: since we started doing it. Well, let's get into week
Speaker 1: ten here. Dave and I are going to be using
Speaker 1: the consensus odds over at Bettingpros dot com. You know
Speaker 1: by now that the consensus odds are an aggregation of
Speaker 1: the odds that are available on the market. As always,
Speaker 1: there are going to be differences in the various sports books,
Speaker 1: so shop around for the best odds. All right, Dave,
Speaker 1: let's side right in here with the Chargers at the
Speaker 1: Raiders on Thursday night. This one has moved a little bit.
Speaker 1: When I checked at the lookad line looked like it
Speaker 1: was Raiders minus one. Right now we are showing the
Speaker 1: consensus odds as Chargers minus one, the over under a
Speaker 1: staate at forty seven and a half. The Chargers, just
Speaker 1: when you think they're dead, they come out with a
Speaker 1: strong defensive performance against the Packers. They do enough on
Speaker 1: offense to put up points, largely relying on the run.
Speaker 1: And as for the Raiders, they continue to play well,
Speaker 1: at least offensively beating the Lions on Sunday. The offensive
Speaker 1: line is strong, Josh Jacobs looks like a star, Derek
Speaker 1: Carr spreading the ball around well between Darren Waller and
Speaker 1: Tyrell Williams. So now Chargers laying one over under at
Speaker 1: forty seven and a half. Any thoughts on that?
Speaker 3: You know it's gonna be interesting to see how the
Speaker 3: Raiders perform under what now will be a little bit
Speaker 3: of pressure, because I think up till this point, the
Speaker 3: Raiders have been a nice surprise, but now you know
Speaker 3: they're in the hunt at this point, and it becomes
Speaker 3: a different ballgame when you're expected to do well rather
Speaker 3: than when you're just kind of free wheeling out there
Speaker 3: and not expected to do much. Derek Carr is certainly
Speaker 3: playing at a high level. I mean the play he
Speaker 3: made on the game winning pass against the Lions with spectacular.
Speaker 3: I think he scrambled for like twenty one yards before
Speaker 3: he threw the ball and completed, and the Raiders defense
Speaker 3: stood up at the end when they had to. The Chargers, though,
Speaker 3: going into this season, were looked upon as one of
Speaker 3: the better teams in the league, and they just couldn't
Speaker 3: get out of their own way. Early. He had some
Speaker 3: really tough breaks. Looks like they're kind of rounding into form,
Speaker 3: and I think that does kind of explain why the
Speaker 3: betting action has been what it is.
Speaker 2: I think the.
Speaker 3: Sharp, sharp money, which is usually early money, is going
Speaker 3: to the Chargers here and I can't disagree with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, you don't think though that the line's
Speaker 1: going to get anywhere to like the key number of three, right,
Speaker 1: I mean we're going to be staying within a field
Speaker 1: goal at this point.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, this will be I think I could
Speaker 3: see two or maybe even two and a half, but
Speaker 3: I don't think it gets to the key number three.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Chargers always make me a little nervous, just because
Speaker 1: you never know what's gonna happen when they come into
Speaker 1: a game. Sometimes they show up, sometimes they don't. But
Speaker 1: it's good to see kind of the Raiders getting a
Speaker 1: little more respect. You know, against the Packers. They got
Speaker 1: blown out, but they really weren't that far away from
Speaker 1: keeping that a close game. Out the game that a
Speaker 1: lot of sharp betterers were really on the Raiders side
Speaker 1: of it, and again they really you know, Derek Carr
Speaker 1: fumbled through the end zone there. It could have been
Speaker 1: a huge swing in that game.
Speaker 3: So it was a massive swing because the Raiders. I
Speaker 3: just kind of we're in a state of shock after that,
Speaker 3: and Rogers exploited.
Speaker 2: They just got killed.
Speaker 3: But no, I mean Oakland had a couple of red
Speaker 3: zones that they didn't cash into that game. They played
Speaker 3: good football. John Gruden is showing that he didn't forget
Speaker 3: how to coach while he was a broadcaster.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, maybe you shouldn't be running the
Speaker 1: team in terms of personnel moves, but certainly as a
Speaker 1: coach he's doing a pretty good job this year. Let's
Speaker 1: move on to the Ravens at the Bengals. The Ravens
Speaker 1: here are laying nine and a half and the over
Speaker 1: under at forty six and a half. Both have moved
Speaker 1: slightly from look aheadline when I saw the Ravens were
Speaker 1: laying ten. They come off the huge win on Sunday
Speaker 1: Night Football against the Patriots as most sharp better is expected.
Speaker 1: I mean that line dropped roughly two points from the
Speaker 1: open defense is getting healthier and stronger. Now you have
Speaker 1: the winless Bengals. They are coming off of bye. They're
Speaker 1: switching quarterbacks here, going to Ryan Finley. AJ Green might
Speaker 1: be back, So there are a lot of variables here.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a possible letdown spot, I guess for
Speaker 1: the Ravens coming off that big win, but they're obviously
Speaker 1: a much more talented team.
Speaker 3: Well they are, and that's the problem is can the
Speaker 3: Bengals hang in for sixty minutes? To me, this would
Speaker 3: be one of those games where if you think, boy,
Speaker 3: you know, the Ravens could be ripe here because they're
Speaker 3: coming off their biggest win in a long time, and
Speaker 3: they're facing a winless team and now the only winless
Speaker 3: team in the Bengals, and that's you know, look, you're
Speaker 3: gonna get a big effort out of the Bengals. I
Speaker 3: don't think there's any question about that. The problem is,
Speaker 3: I don't know if they can hang in for sixty minutes.
Speaker 3: So if I were looking at this one, and I'm
Speaker 3: not locking this in as a play, but I might
Speaker 3: consider Bengals first half or maybe even first quarter, you
Speaker 3: would think the Bengals will come up with a lot
Speaker 3: of energy here, especially with Finley on the field. I
Speaker 3: think that's just an energy boost for the team, and
Speaker 3: it's a pride spot for Cincinnati at this point. Pride
Speaker 3: may not win you the full game, but can you
Speaker 3: win you a partial bet?
Speaker 1: How do you as a handicapper, how do you look
Speaker 1: at it when you have somebody like Finley coming in.
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't really know what he's going to
Speaker 1: necessarily look like. Do you just go with the energize
Speaker 1: the team sort of angle? I mean, how do you
Speaker 1: how do you really think about the number when you
Speaker 1: have a new quarterback like that.
Speaker 2: Well, it depends on the situation.
Speaker 3: I mean, if if Ryan Finley's stepping in for I
Speaker 3: don't know, Russell Wilson, then that's that's a pretty bad thing.
Speaker 3: He's stepping in for Andy Dalton, who at this point
Speaker 3: is not a starting quarterback. So I don't know that
Speaker 3: there's anything that I mean, I don't know how Finley's
Speaker 3: going to perform. He looked okay in the preseason. That
Speaker 3: was obviously not against anything sophisticated. But can he be
Speaker 3: worse than Daltlet at this point?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And again, if they get aj green back, that'll
Speaker 1: certainly be a little bit of a boon. Haven't heard
Speaker 1: anything yet on his practice reports, but that's certainly in
Speaker 1: Let's move on here to the Bills at the Browns.
Speaker 1: Browns here are laying two and a half. This has
Speaker 1: been bouncing back and forth between two and two and
Speaker 1: a half all day, and our consensus ods the over
Speaker 1: unders dropped by about two points. It was at forty
Speaker 1: two and a half and I looked at it earlier
Speaker 1: in the day. It's now forty and a half. I'm
Speaker 1: a little surprised. So I'm gonna really be interested to
Speaker 1: hear your thoughts here, because you know, the Browns have
Speaker 1: just done nothing to show any cohesiveness offensively at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, they'll get cream Hunt back here, but it's
Speaker 1: selpful that that makes much of a difference. And the Bills, meanwhile,
Speaker 1: they continue to put up strong defensive efforts. They got
Speaker 1: Devin Singletary way involved this weekend against the Redskins. They
Speaker 1: opened up the offense a little bit, so, you know,
Speaker 1: to me, it struck me. I know the Browns are home,
Speaker 1: but you know, laying two and a half, I was
Speaker 1: a little surprised by that. I expected it to be
Speaker 1: closer to a pick them.
Speaker 3: Well, the puppup's probably got a bet buffalo at this
Speaker 3: point because the Bills are six and two and they're
Speaker 3: not blowing anybody away, but they are six and two.
Speaker 3: The Browns, meanwhile, have burned a lot of people's money
Speaker 3: all year long, and I think people, as the masses least,
Speaker 3: they're going to be sick of backing him at this point.
Speaker 3: I can't back Cleveland. They're two and six, and let's
Speaker 3: call it straight Baker Mayfield at this point is a
Speaker 3: backup quarterback. I'm not saying he won't be terrific down
Speaker 3: the road, but if you watch him now and he
Speaker 3: has no clue as to what he's doing, his reids
Speaker 3: are terrible. And I'm sure he hasn't lost confidence because
Speaker 3: he's got that swagger, but I wonder if the team's
Speaker 3: lost confidence in it at this point because he's just
Speaker 3: making bad decisions and doesn't look like a number one quarterback.
Speaker 2: At this point.
Speaker 3: It's tough for me to back Cleveland. The team doesn't
Speaker 3: seem to have any focus. Freddy Kitchens has done a
Speaker 3: terrible job with the team, and they've got no leadership
Speaker 3: on the field, and by the way, they lead the
Speaker 3: league in penalties, so there's not much discipline there either.
Speaker 3: You can't see me on Cleveland. I don't think I
Speaker 3: want Buffalo at this point because I think they're a
Speaker 3: bit of a fraud.
Speaker 2: At six and two.
Speaker 3: You know, they're an okay team, but they're really not
Speaker 3: a seven to fifty team, So it's probably a game
Speaker 3: that won't make my card.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I completely agree. This is a game that
Speaker 1: i'd stay from. You know, the thing with the Browns,
Speaker 1: there are a couple of things. One, they have such
Speaker 1: a combustible group of personalities that you knew, you know,
Speaker 1: they were. I think they were the most bet team
Speaker 1: to win the Super Bowl, and I think they were
Speaker 1: the most Mayfield was the most bet guy to win
Speaker 1: the MVP. So they've obviously burned a lot of people
Speaker 1: going in here. They have such a combustible group of
Speaker 1: players at this point that you just can't see them
Speaker 1: figuring their way out of this. And again they're they're already,
Speaker 1: I believe, two and six, so this season is pretty
Speaker 1: much over. I did think, you know, against New England,
Speaker 1: you know, it seemed kind of fluky, you know that
Speaker 1: they didn't cover that game because you know, you had
Speaker 1: that the ball kicked out of Chubb's hands and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Like I felt like they easily could have
Speaker 1: covered that game, and so I was willing to give
Speaker 1: them another shot. But I agree against Gohead.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing.
Speaker 3: You could say they could have in a whole bunch
Speaker 3: of their games this year. Sure, and they had that
Speaker 3: one great game against the Ravens when they looked like
Speaker 3: world beaters, right, but at some point you just have
Speaker 3: to say, well could have doesn't mean they will And
Speaker 3: all I know is the books are smiling at the
Speaker 3: money they're gonna make with the Browns and the Bears,
Speaker 3: because those are two teams that cut a tremendous run
Speaker 3: of the market. The Bears always do out here. They're
Speaker 3: just an extremely popular team in The Browns, as you said,
Speaker 3: drew a ton of money early and looks like the
Speaker 3: books are going to.
Speaker 2: Be keeping all that cash.
Speaker 1: Yeah for now, you know, I'm not going anywhere near
Speaker 1: him either side. I mean again, against the Broncos, they
Speaker 1: just look terrible, and as you said, you know, Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield just you know, he can't get off his first read.
Speaker 1: He just does not look at all, you know. And
Speaker 1: whether he's actually lost confidence or whether he's just playing
Speaker 1: that way remains to be seen. But either way, I agree,
Speaker 1: it's not a game that I really want to get
Speaker 1: involved in because I also don't trust the Bills, like
Speaker 1: you said, falcons here at the Saints. This has been
Speaker 1: bouncing all over the place right now. The consensus odds
Speaker 1: are at minus thirteen. I've seen this from minus twelve
Speaker 1: to minus thirteen and a half. The over unders had
Speaker 1: fifty one. Two teams at about the polar opposites of
Speaker 1: the NFL World. The Falcons a complete disaster. Defensively, they
Speaker 1: should get Met Ryan back here, but I likely won't
Speaker 1: matter against the Saints, and with Drew Brees back, the
Speaker 1: offense looked about as expected against the Cardinals. Soft matchup,
Speaker 1: but still they should get Alvin Kamara back here. Their
Speaker 1: defense is playing incredibly well. This is a big line,
Speaker 1: But how do you feel about it? Saints laying thirteen
Speaker 1: over under at fifty one.
Speaker 3: I don't want any part of the Falcons. I'm actually
Speaker 3: surprised Quinn's still coaching the team. I thought they'd make
Speaker 3: the change during the bye week because it's over okay,
Speaker 3: and they can't stop anything, so good luck against the Saints,
Speaker 3: and with New Orleans playing outstanding defense, I wouldn't think
Speaker 3: Matt Ryan's gonna have a great day. I could see
Speaker 3: New Orleans pulling away and winning this one by a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I get nervous at anything when you're
Speaker 1: talking about a spread this high, But at this point,
Speaker 1: the Falcons have shown absolutely no reason to expect them
Speaker 1: to be able to hang in this game. You're right,
Speaker 1: the fact that Quinn is still the head coach of
Speaker 1: the Falcons is one of the most mind boggling things
Speaker 1: in the world. I mean, for three weeks, I've been
Speaker 1: waiting for the midweek coaching change going on, and he
Speaker 1: just keeps hanging on. They're doing all these minor changes
Speaker 1: during their bye week, like changing their punter for the
Speaker 1: fifth time and things like that, but none of it's
Speaker 1: really getting right. I agree, you certainly can't back the
Speaker 1: Falcons at any point, and it is a big number,
Speaker 1: but at this point, yeah, I would lean towards the
Speaker 1: Saints if you're talking about below two touchdowns, but it
Speaker 1: certainly is something where in the end, you know, the
Speaker 1: injuries on the defensive side of the ball for the
Speaker 1: Falcons have just completely derailed their season, and they are
Speaker 1: capable of putting up points. But the Saints' defense is strong,
Speaker 1: and I think that in the end, I'm certainly not
Speaker 1: back in the Falcons. Whether or not I would take
Speaker 1: the Saints at thirteen, I probably would feel okay with
Speaker 1: it under two touchdowns, but you know, it is certainly
Speaker 1: a bigger line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll be very popular to teasers.
Speaker 1: I can guarantee you that absolutely. Giants at the Jets.
Speaker 1: This one opened at Giants laying one and now it
Speaker 1: is at two and a half. The over under stay
Speaker 1: is at forty three. We are recording this before the
Speaker 1: Giants Cowboys game on Monday night, but they'll likely continue
Speaker 1: to be down Stertling Shepherd as they are this week
Speaker 1: next week, considering that he's gone back into the concussion protocol.
Speaker 1: I would be surprised if he's out of it by
Speaker 1: next week. Meanwhile, the Jets are a complete disaster. They
Speaker 1: lose to the winless Dolphins. Le'Veon Bell underwent and mri
Speaker 1: and is knee today. I don't I haven't seen anything
Speaker 1: on the results, but you know, hopefully it's not serious.
Speaker 1: The offensive line may be the worst in football right
Speaker 1: now that even this is no longer playing well. So
Speaker 1: how do you feel about this with you know, there's
Speaker 1: been significant movement here already, Giants playing two and a
Speaker 1: half over under at forty three.
Speaker 3: And the Giants will be up for this game even
Speaker 3: though they're playing against the Cowboys, which is a big game. Look,
Speaker 3: this is still a neighborhood rivalry game. How can you
Speaker 3: back the Jets at this point? And I know, look
Speaker 3: betting against the obvious, or said I should say, betting
Speaker 3: the obvious either way in the NFL, maybe not a
Speaker 3: recipe for success long term, but there's no way with
Speaker 3: free money. I wouldn't bet the Jets at this point.
Speaker 3: They're a train wreck. I think their coaches are one
Speaker 3: and done and they can't wait for the season.
Speaker 2: To be over.
Speaker 3: I guess you could make a case that they'll be
Speaker 3: embarrassed off the loss of the Dolphins, but they're just
Speaker 3: such a bad football team right now. In any game
Speaker 3: where they've got to win to cover the spread, I
Speaker 3: don't want them.
Speaker 1: No, there's no way you could back the Jets here.
Speaker 1: I mean, sort of like the Falcons, and you know,
Speaker 1: in the end, the big thing was the Dolphins have
Speaker 1: absolutely no pass rush and Darnold was still running for
Speaker 1: his life. I mean, the offensive line is such a
Speaker 1: disaster that under no circumstances can you back the Jets
Speaker 1: in this game. I would feel finet the Giants, so
Speaker 1: long as it stays underneath a field goal, because again,
Speaker 1: you know the team from top to bottom. I certainly
Speaker 1: hope as a Jets fan that Adam Gase is won
Speaker 1: and done, but they're certainly not getting it done anywhere
Speaker 1: close to you know, what was expected of them out
Speaker 1: of the preseason. And that's especially true. If Belle, you know,
Speaker 1: his if his knee injury is serious, which again we
Speaker 1: don't know anything about that yet, then they'll be a
Speaker 1: total disaster. But at this point, as long as it
Speaker 1: stays under a field goal, I'd be fine with it.
Speaker 2: How in the world did they beat the Dallas Cowboys?
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody sort of thinks that, right, that's what
Speaker 1: you go back to, How did they possibly possibly do that?
Speaker 1: It's really crazy And look, I you know, just speaking
Speaker 1: more as a Jets fan, unless it's that you know,
Speaker 1: somebody who who's thinking about the betting side of things.
Speaker 1: I've always liked Darnold. I thought that he has a
Speaker 1: bright future in the NFL. So when he first came back,
Speaker 1: I kind of I mean, I certainly liked him. I
Speaker 1: think that Cowboys were laying seven in that game. I
Speaker 1: like the Jets in that game, and then when they won,
Speaker 1: I felt confident in them. Getting ten from the Patriots
Speaker 1: and even the following week getting six from the Jaguars.
Speaker 1: They look right now like they could not beat I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think of a you know, historic team that
Speaker 1: they you know, could beat. Right now, they really seem
Speaker 1: like the worst team in football at this point.
Speaker 2: I make them a favorite against Rutgers.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll take it. Look, I mean, if they're
Speaker 1: a favorite against anybody. You know, my six year old
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Speaker 1: the chiefs at the Titans. Chiefs here are laying three
Speaker 1: and a half. The over under at forty eight and
Speaker 1: a half obviously a little up in the air in
Speaker 1: terms of whether Patrick Mahomes is going to return here.
Speaker 1: He's trending in the right direction, but we'll see as
Speaker 1: the team comes off the big win against the Vikings.
Speaker 1: The three and a half lines strikes me as a
Speaker 1: number that makes me think that handicappers are still expecting
Speaker 1: Mahomes to miss another game. Strikes me as it might
Speaker 1: be a little higher if Mahomes is playing the defense
Speaker 1: for the Chiefs playing a little bit better. Steve Spagnelo
Speaker 1: is calling, you know, more blitzes. That seems to be
Speaker 1: working well for the teams. The Titans, meanwhile, they lose
Speaker 1: pretty handily to the Panthers. The offense continues to look,
Speaker 1: you know, at least competent behind Ryan Hannahill. Malcolm Butler
Speaker 1: does break his wrist here, so that's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a hit to the defense. How do you feel
Speaker 1: here about the Chiefs laying three and a half in
Speaker 1: the over under at forty eight and a half.
Speaker 3: Chiefs are coming up two big games and you know
Speaker 3: they lost one but played well and then played well
Speaker 3: in one yesterday in thrilling fashion, against the Vikings.
Speaker 2: This could be a tough spot.
Speaker 3: Going on the road, and Tennessee is capable. They're not
Speaker 3: going to do it every week, but from from one
Speaker 3: week to the next, the Titans can line up with
Speaker 3: almost anybody and be competitive. I think this is going
Speaker 3: to be one of those games where the Titans give
Speaker 3: the Chiefs all they want. Obviously, it's if Mahomes doesn't play.
Speaker 3: Plus three and a half of the Titans at home
Speaker 3: looks really good. If he does, still not a terrible number,
Speaker 3: although Mahomes makes things difficult, no question about that. But
Speaker 3: I think Tennessee is going to get kids city of
Speaker 3: Battle here and wouldn't shock me if they win this game.
Speaker 1: This strikes me as a game where the public is
Speaker 1: going to be on the chief and the sharp money's
Speaker 1: going to be on the Titans. Right, So you're probably
Speaker 1: going to see like a seventy five to twenty five
Speaker 1: split or something in terms of the number of bets placed,
Speaker 1: but it's going to be closer to fifty to fifty
Speaker 1: in terms of the actual money that comes in. Would
Speaker 1: be my guest, right, I mean, regardless of who starts,
Speaker 1: and again, you know Mahomes if he plays, I don't
Speaker 1: think it would be reasonable to expect them to be
Speaker 1: one hundred percent or anything like that. And again, coming
Speaker 1: off that big win, this might buy them another week
Speaker 1: to sort of take some time off. And I agree
Speaker 1: the Titans have played a little bit better than expected.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, but by.
Speaker 3: No means a great team, and they're probably not going
Speaker 3: to be a playoff team, But they're one of those
Speaker 3: teams that on any given week can win. They also, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: on any given week, can lose. So you've got to
Speaker 3: hope that's not the case here. But this is not
Speaker 3: a team that normally is going to get blown out,
Speaker 3: especially at home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as a general matter, I always list the Titans
Speaker 1: as the one team I'm avoiding, regardless of what the
Speaker 1: spread is, just because I feel like I never know
Speaker 1: what we're going to see from them necessarily. But this
Speaker 1: is a spot if you stay over a field goal,
Speaker 1: particularly if more starts, It's a spot that I do
Speaker 1: kind of feel like I might be willing to back
Speaker 1: the Titans here because I could see them making game,
Speaker 1: especially since they're coming off kind of a subpar effort
Speaker 1: here against the Panthers. Let's move on here to the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: At the Bucks. Right now, the Bucks are laying five
Speaker 1: in our consensus odds. It was at six earlier today
Speaker 1: when I checked. The over under has dropped half a
Speaker 1: point to fifty two and a half. I mean that's
Speaker 1: a pretty high over under here, and it's not surprising
Speaker 1: since you can pass pretty easily on both teams. The
Speaker 1: Bucks are not playing terribly. They could have easily won
Speaker 1: yesterday against the Seahawks and the week before against the
Speaker 1: Titans if the refs don't blow that call. They continue, though,
Speaker 1: to have no pass defense whatsoever. They do stop the
Speaker 1: run pretty well, but the Cardinals the defense continues to struggle.
Speaker 1: But Kyler Murray was impressive against the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: despite the loss. He'll probably get David Johnson back here.
Speaker 1: They've added Kenyan Drake to add a little more punch
Speaker 1: to that running game. So how do you feel here?
Speaker 1: With the Bucks laying five and the high over under
Speaker 1: of fifty two and a half.
Speaker 3: This is the game I wanted to talk about the
Speaker 3: most because Number one Arizona is going to give you
Speaker 3: sixty minutes every game, and you saw that against the
Speaker 3: forty nine ers last Thursday. I mean, if you've got
Speaker 3: a forty nine er ticket at halftime, you think you're
Speaker 3: sitting pretty and Arizona came back and really fought hard
Speaker 3: in that game. The other side of it is the Bucks,
Speaker 3: and you know, if Bruce Arians went back in a
Speaker 3: retirement today might be an upgrade for the Bucks. I
Speaker 3: thought that was an absolutely awful decision at the end
Speaker 3: of regulation or toward the end of regulation to not
Speaker 3: go for two. And I understand the math says, well,
Speaker 3: you know, you make less than fifty percent on those
Speaker 3: two point convergency. It's supposed to kick the extra point there.
Speaker 3: But there's exceptions. And here's the exceptions. If your face
Speaker 3: seeing Tom Brady, if you're facing Aaron Rodgers, if you're
Speaker 3: facing Drew Brees, if you're facing Russell Wilson, you don't
Speaker 3: want to go to overtime. You want to try and
Speaker 3: win the game. You're two and five. The Bucks hadn't
Speaker 3: stopped a thing in the second half of that game. Actually,
Speaker 3: from the late part of the first half. It's twenty
Speaker 3: one to seven, and they give up a touchdown on
Speaker 3: late in the first half and they were getting run over.
Speaker 2: In the second half. You got to go for two
Speaker 2: in that spot. They didn't.
Speaker 3: They should have lost the game in regulation, and then
Speaker 3: they did lose it in overtime, and once Arizona, excuse me,
Speaker 3: once Seattle won the coin flip, I knew I was
Speaker 3: dead with the Tampa Bay ticket that game.
Speaker 2: I had the Bucks plus the points and see on
Speaker 2: that one.
Speaker 3: I think that's a bad sign for the team. If
Speaker 3: you asked the players, should we have gone for two,
Speaker 3: I'll guarantee you most of the players would have said, yeah, laps,
Speaker 3: let's try and win the game. And to me, that's
Speaker 3: how you lose a football team. They're two and six.
Speaker 3: This season is basically over at this point. And if
Speaker 3: you're talking about two teams that aren't going any place,
Speaker 3: give me the team that's fighting hard every game and
Speaker 3: it is improving pretty much every game.
Speaker 2: I like the Cardinals. I think the Cardinals have a
Speaker 2: real good chance to win this straight up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with you. The Bucks sort of
Speaker 1: a little bit like the Titans for me, where I'm
Speaker 1: just scared to get involved with them whenever they play,
Speaker 1: because you really don't know what you're going to see.
Speaker 1: I completely agree on the call to go for two.
Speaker 1: Now again, well, they would have won the game. You know,
Speaker 1: it looked like it wouldn't have mattered because Seattle had
Speaker 1: the fieldal opportunity which they missed at the end of regulation.
Speaker 1: But I agree if you're on the road in Seattle,
Speaker 1: which I get is not the same as it used
Speaker 1: to be necessarily and probably just because the defense isn't
Speaker 1: as strong, but it's a difficult place to play. You've
Speaker 1: got Russell Wilson on the other side. You've got to
Speaker 1: try to go for that win there. So yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a pretty back breaking loss right there. You could see it,
Speaker 1: you know. And again with the Cardinals, they lost to
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers on Thursday night, but as you said,
Speaker 1: they really you know, they played hard that entire game.
Speaker 1: It looked like they were dead in the water, especially
Speaker 1: that horrific end to the first half where it looks
Speaker 1: like they get that stop and then Kingsbury had called
Speaker 1: the time out, so they get another go at it
Speaker 1: and he throws the touch on pass and so they're
Speaker 1: down seven more points than you thought. But to come
Speaker 1: out and fight really, really hard says a lot about
Speaker 1: the team. So yeah, I could see the two teams
Speaker 1: going in different directions here and the Cardinals giving them
Speaker 1: certainly a game, especially when you're getting I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a dead number, but you know, getting five points is
Speaker 1: certainly not insignificant whatsoever.
Speaker 2: No, I am anything more than three to me as
Speaker 2: a little bonus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's move on here to the Lions at the Bears.
Speaker 1: The Bears here are laying two and a half. It's
Speaker 1: down from three. The over under is at forty three,
Speaker 1: down from forty three and a half. Again, I'm a
Speaker 1: little surprised here. I mean, the Bears look completely dead
Speaker 1: in the water right now. They have nothing going on Offensively.
Speaker 1: They showed it again in their loss of Eagles. I
Speaker 1: believe they had nine yards at the end of the
Speaker 1: first half or something like that. And their defense is
Speaker 1: just not at all what it was from last year.
Speaker 1: They have real difficulty stopping the run, which doesn't really
Speaker 1: matter that much against the Lions because they don't have
Speaker 1: an actual running back, but once Akeem Hicks went down,
Speaker 1: they really struggled there. But overall their defense just is
Speaker 1: not that scary. Meanwhile, the Lions have no semblance of
Speaker 1: the running game, but their passing game is working well
Speaker 1: and although they have defensive deficiencies, it's just hard to
Speaker 1: see the Bears taking advantage of any team, regardless of
Speaker 1: how bad the defense is. So the Bears here laying
Speaker 1: less than the field goal at two and a half
Speaker 1: in the over under at forty three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's a tough look. The Lions
Speaker 3: are in every game, so you've got to figure the
Speaker 3: Lions have a chance to win here on the Chicago side,
Speaker 3: uh Naggie, Well, first of all, second grade math. It's
Speaker 3: nineteen to nothing late third quarter, you score a touchdown,
Speaker 3: you've got to go for two. You're not supposed to
Speaker 3: go for one.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know how any coach can make a mistake
Speaker 3: that egregious. They're also it's just one of those seasons
Speaker 3: where everything is going wrong. David Montgomery played a good
Speaker 3: game yesterday for the Bears, but he's probably the goat
Speaker 3: on the biggest play of the game. It's nineteen fourteen.
Speaker 3: Trubisky throws him a screen pass. He's got a blocker
Speaker 3: and green pastors. I mean, it's gonna go for at
Speaker 3: least twenty five five yards. It might have gone all
Speaker 3: the way and put the Bears in the lead. And
Speaker 3: he drops the football, And that was the biggest play
Speaker 3: of the game because the Bears would.
Speaker 2: Never heard from again in the matchup.
Speaker 3: So, you know, one play by a guy who played
Speaker 3: well but ends up the going on what turned out
Speaker 3: to me to be the biggest player of the game.
Speaker 2: And that's the Bears season in Microcossum.
Speaker 3: They managed to do something wrong at the most critical
Speaker 3: moment every week and I'm not sure I see that
Speaker 3: changing here. The Lions are playing better football than the
Speaker 3: Bears at this point. They'll have a good chance to
Speaker 3: go in and win this game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would take the Lions here. I mean my
Speaker 1: early inclination just because again the Bears you talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, the Bucks maybe having a loss that just
Speaker 1: kind of makes you feel defeated. I mean Trubisky. You know,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of calls for Trubisky to get
Speaker 1: benched at halftime, and he obviously came out and played
Speaker 1: a little bit better. But he has completely regressed as
Speaker 1: a quarterback this tea, you know.
Speaker 3: But part of that is I think they're running the
Speaker 3: wrong offense for him. He's a very mobile quarterback. Get him,
Speaker 3: get him some running lane, some running lane roots, because
Speaker 3: if you get if you increase the threat of Trubisky
Speaker 3: with his legs, it'll make his arm better. I don't
Speaker 3: think he's a pocket passer. I think you've got to
Speaker 3: get this guy on the move. And the bear Sea
Speaker 3: reluctant to change their offense to suit what his strengths are,
Speaker 3: as limited as he might be. I mean, you at
Speaker 3: least are supposed to design your offense to bring out
Speaker 3: the best in your quarterback. Well, they're not doing that
Speaker 3: with their offense.
Speaker 1: No, and I do agree with that. I think they
Speaker 1: are not utilizing his legs enough. And he does throw
Speaker 1: well when he's on the run and everything like that.
Speaker 1: The problem is, I mean, look, it's the same coach
Speaker 1: from last year, and it's you know, it's I realized
Speaker 1: that you know the system that they're in. It's the
Speaker 1: same and to me, I get it. I wish they
Speaker 1: would do things a little differently. But even with what
Speaker 1: they're doing, he looks completely lost. And I get that
Speaker 1: he's not just a pocket passer, but I mean, he
Speaker 1: can't go through his progressions. He's incredibly inaccurate, you know it,
Speaker 1: just you expect growth even without them fully utilizing what
Speaker 1: they need to do to get the most out of him,
Speaker 1: he still just looks like to me, a guy who
Speaker 1: has just not progressed in the normal way that a
Speaker 1: third year quarterback would progress.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, I would agree with that,
Speaker 3: and I think the Bears are going to have to
Speaker 3: make a tough decision after this year because you're not
Speaker 3: going anywhere with Trubisky is the quarterback and you don't
Speaker 3: have a backup Chase. I mean, you know, Chase Daniel
Speaker 3: is strictly a backup who can manage a game, and
Speaker 3: he's not gonna win your games. I guess what they
Speaker 3: do with the rest of the season is toss them
Speaker 3: out there, because the season is basically over for the
Speaker 3: Beers at this point.
Speaker 2: Throw him out there and see if it can improve.
Speaker 3: And and that should be your your process for making
Speaker 3: the decision at the end of the season as to
Speaker 3: what to do in the draft or maybe in terms
Speaker 3: of a trade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent agree. And you know, look, I
Speaker 1: do like the Lions here, you know, getting even less
Speaker 1: than a field goal. But it's worth noting that the
Speaker 1: Lions are kind of have a little bit of the
Speaker 1: Bears type of you know, season in them, and that
Speaker 1: they could easily have a much better record than they do.
Speaker 1: But they also kind of find ways to.
Speaker 3: Be Yeah, but here's I think the difference for me
Speaker 3: is the Lions. You could make a case the Lions
Speaker 3: should have a great record. I don't think he can
Speaker 3: make a case the Beers should. I think the Lions
Speaker 3: have played a lot better football than the Chicago Bears have.
Speaker 3: The Beers have been a bad football team.
Speaker 1: I could not agree with that more absolutely right, I mean,
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm saying. When you see the Bears
Speaker 1: laying points, I get it there at home whatever, it's
Speaker 1: a visual game, But you know, I just it's hard
Speaker 1: to see the Bears beating anyone other than maybe the Jets,
Speaker 1: of course, and maybe one of the teams in our
Speaker 1: next game, which is the Dolphins at the Colts. Colts
Speaker 1: here are laying ten and a half. The over under
Speaker 1: is at forty four and a half. Now, we've got
Speaker 1: sort of the quarterback situation up in the air here.
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett. He has not yet been ruled out. He's
Speaker 1: got an MCL issue. I think they're calling it a
Speaker 1: minor sprain. Kind of feels like to me like they'll
Speaker 1: play it safe considering they should be able to beat
Speaker 1: the Dolphins regardless even with Brian Hoyer playing and he
Speaker 1: played well, you know, without in Brissette stead yesterday, even
Speaker 1: without t Y Hilton, who are through three touchdown passes.
Speaker 1: I believe the Dolphins meanwhile, come off there big, but
Speaker 1: they lose Preston Williams for the season. They lose their
Speaker 1: running back Mark Walton, who was suspended for four games
Speaker 1: a couple of hours ago. Now they're going on the road.
Speaker 1: They have covered in four straight games, so that is
Speaker 1: something when they're getting all the points. But how do
Speaker 1: you feel here with the Dolphins at the Colts. Colts
Speaker 1: laying ten and a half over under forty four and a.
Speaker 3: Half, I don't know that i'd lay it because the
Speaker 3: Dolphins are at least mostly trying to compete. I mean,
Speaker 3: the players aren't tanking, and you know, they got to win.
Speaker 3: So they'll probably be some enthusiasm in practice this week
Speaker 3: and they might be able to hang around, especially if
Speaker 3: Hoyer is playing. I mean, Hoyer did play reasonably well
Speaker 3: yesterday in relief of percent, but he also threw a
Speaker 3: pick six, which Hoyer is capable of doing in any game.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be laying double digits with the Colts, but
Speaker 3: Indiana was certainly should win the game. So this falls
Speaker 3: into that category where you might want to take a
Speaker 3: look at the Colts and a teaser.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's fair. I don't like it.
Speaker 1: You know, over ten and a half is not something
Speaker 1: I really want to get involved in. I don't mind
Speaker 1: the over on the forty four and a half. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, the Colts have a strong defense, but I
Speaker 1: think you know, if Fitzpatrick has shown he's able to
Speaker 1: put a points with the Dolphins, and I think regardless
Speaker 1: of who you have under center for the Colts at
Speaker 1: this point, whether or not a Toyer, who again, if
Speaker 1: Brissett's going to be out, I'm sure he'll take the
Speaker 1: first team reps all week so he'll be a little
Speaker 1: more prepared and everything like that. But again, both these
Speaker 1: guys have pick six potential at any given time, so
Speaker 1: I'm really not I'd lean towards the over here at
Speaker 1: forty four and a half. Let's move on to the rams.
Speaker 1: At the Steelers rams currently laying four. This was three
Speaker 1: and a half and the over under at forty five,
Speaker 1: and it was forty four and a half. Rams are
Speaker 1: coming off the bye here, they're hopeful to have Brandon
Speaker 1: Cooks back after his second concussion, but that remains to
Speaker 1: be seen. They've looked out of sorts offensively all year.
Speaker 1: I mean they have a terrible offensive line. Obviously not
Speaker 1: a good thing against the Steelers, who, as we just
Speaker 1: talked about, escape against Indianapolis with that win, but they
Speaker 1: also continue to look stagnant offensively. Mason Rudolf just cannot
Speaker 1: get into a groove, doesn't push the ball down field
Speaker 1: very well. It's the third straight home game for the
Speaker 1: Steelers here, so how do you feel about the playing
Speaker 1: four in the over under at forty five.
Speaker 3: Well, Steelers game plan here is get let's get pressure
Speaker 3: on Golf because he has not responded well to pocket
Speaker 3: pressure this year. And I don't know, maybe he does here,
Speaker 3: but that hasn't been the case for Golf all season.
Speaker 3: He's had a very ordinary season in terms of what
Speaker 3: the expectations were coming in. Now, he did find some
Speaker 3: room in the last game. They kept throwing in the
Speaker 3: slot to Cooper Cup and it couldn't get stopped. But
Speaker 3: the Steelers are a smarter defensive team and I think
Speaker 3: they can take Cup away to some extent. So then
Speaker 3: what do they do, especially if they're missing Cooks the Steelers.
Speaker 2: This is Mike Tomlin's strength.
Speaker 3: I know Tomlin gets some criticism, and rightfully so at times,
Speaker 3: but one of his strengths is finding ways to kind
Speaker 3: of grind out wins when they're not expected to.
Speaker 2: And I think yesterday was a good example.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got lucky Vinitary mister kick and Brissett got hurt,
Speaker 3: but they still did manage to win the game. And
Speaker 3: James Connor wasn't on the field for Pittsburgh, who's probably
Speaker 3: their second most valuable offensive player. I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 3: if the Steelers beat the Rams. The Rams, to me,
Speaker 3: have had, for the most part, a season long hangover
Speaker 3: from the Super Bowl, and that happens to the Super
Speaker 3: Bowl losers sometimes, and the Rams seem to be showing
Speaker 3: all those symptoms. They really haven't at any point resembled
Speaker 3: the team we saw last year, and I'm not sure
Speaker 3: there's suddenly going to here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a game where it's a little dicey.
Speaker 1: You know, it's an early forecast, so you don't want
Speaker 1: to get into it, but the weather in Pittsburgh looks
Speaker 1: pretty rough as scheduled for some day. Again, we're way
Speaker 1: off at this point. But to the extent there's going
Speaker 1: to be showers and it's going to be snow or
Speaker 1: something like that, then it's something to keep in mind.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't really know. It seems so gimmicky
Speaker 1: with the Steelers, I get it. I mean, Tomlin is
Speaker 1: grinding out wins. You know, the idea that thirteen catches
Speaker 1: for Jalen Samuels. You know, none of their receivers get involved.
Speaker 1: It just seems so crazy to me that they were
Speaker 1: able to do that to me, really, you know, regardless
Speaker 1: of the game. Again, this is one where I feel
Speaker 1: like this might be something where I might like the
Speaker 1: under when all of a sudden done. It's at forty
Speaker 1: five right now. Two teams. You know, the Rams are
Speaker 1: struggling offensively, and again you made great points. The offensive
Speaker 1: line is terrible. The Steelers get a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: on the quarterback, so I think you know, Golf, as
Speaker 1: you said, he's really really struggled whenever he has had
Speaker 1: pressure this year, which has been pretty much all the time.
Speaker 1: The Rams defense, though, I feel like it's playing a
Speaker 1: little bit better of late in recent weeks. And again
Speaker 1: they added Jayalen Ramsey, so you know that is going
Speaker 1: to add a little bit to them. So for me,
Speaker 1: you know, at forty five, I kind of lean towards
Speaker 1: the under, but in terms of the spread, I agree.
Speaker 1: It's just not one. I don't have a great feel
Speaker 1: for it because I could see it going either way
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Speaker 1: let's go on to the Panthers at the Packers. Right now,
Speaker 1: the Packers are laying five and a half and the
Speaker 1: over under at forty eight, polar opposite Sundays here for
Speaker 1: these two teams. Kyle Allen already been named the starter
Speaker 1: for Week ten and probably for the remainder of the
Speaker 1: season given the recent reports about Cam Newton. He bounces
Speaker 1: back well against the Titans after a dreadful game against
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers. Christian McCaffrey continues to run extremely well, obviously,
Speaker 1: and he should have a field day against the area
Speaker 1: where you attack the Packers, which is their run defense. Now,
Speaker 1: the Packers, they had been rolling, but they look absolutely
Speaker 1: terrible against the Chargers despite the return of DeVante Adams.
Speaker 1: They are coming home here. So how do you feel
Speaker 1: about Packers laying five and a half over under at
Speaker 1: forty eight.
Speaker 2: I don't pick this number'll hold up. I think it's
Speaker 2: gonna come down.
Speaker 3: Carolina was a sharp play against the forty nine Ers,
Speaker 3: which obviously didn't work out, but the betting market was
Speaker 3: certainly at least the sharp market was certainly on the
Speaker 3: Panthers in that game, and Carolina responded from that bad
Speaker 3: game with a very good performance yesterday against Tennessee.
Speaker 2: So some pluses on the Carolina side. The Packers, I.
Speaker 3: Think there's some thought that, you know, I'm not I
Speaker 3: don't want to use the word fraud, because they're a
Speaker 3: good football team, but they're they're not quite at the
Speaker 3: level of what I think are the best teams in
Speaker 3: the NFC, and I think some of that was shown yesterday.
Speaker 2: You would expect Aaron Rodgers to have a much better
Speaker 2: game than he had against the.
Speaker 3: Chargers, certainly, but he's going against another pretty quality defense here,
Speaker 3: and the Packers do have some holes. I wouldn't be
Speaker 3: surprised if Carolina goes in and gives them a real
Speaker 3: good football game. This is probably one of the This
Speaker 3: could be the best game of the schedule in terms
Speaker 3: of who knows who's gonna win, and a game that
Speaker 3: certainly looks like a one possession game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree. I'm really excited to see this game.
Speaker 1: I don't really know what to do with the Packers.
Speaker 1: I don't really know what they are because you know,
Speaker 1: when Devanta Adams was out, they were winning, you know,
Speaker 1: and their offense was, you know, being driven by you
Speaker 1: know a lot of Aaron Jones, but a lot of
Speaker 1: you know, passes to the running backs, and that just
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a sustainable They don't have any pass
Speaker 1: catchers who can really make it done. I mean, Marcus
Speaker 1: Valdez Scanling isn't doing anything, Geronimo Allison isn't doing anything.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham, you know, maybe a threat in the red
Speaker 1: zone and everything like that. And now Adams returns and
Speaker 1: their offense looks sort of stagnant. Part of me wants
Speaker 1: to throw it out a little bit. As the cross
Speaker 1: country trip, they got there a little early. Maybe they
Speaker 1: kind of let their heads sneak out of it. But
Speaker 1: in the end, I agree. They've also shown some holes defensively,
Speaker 1: even in their passing defense, which was really their strength.
Speaker 1: So this is going to be a good game. And again,
Speaker 1: I like the Panthers against the forty nine ers that week.
Speaker 1: They obviously disappointed, but I think this game showed you
Speaker 1: what they're really made of. So I do think that
Speaker 1: this one's going to be a good game. I could
Speaker 1: I certainly expected to be within a touchdown, and you
Speaker 1: know I wouldn't be surprised that the Panthers going there
Speaker 1: and win the game out right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is one of those games where I don't
Speaker 3: have a problem with teasing up underdogs, especially when you
Speaker 3: can go to at least well, you're going through a
Speaker 3: couple of key obviously you go through seven and ten, right,
Speaker 3: I don't think that's a bad idea at all. It's
Speaker 3: to find somebody to go at a six point teaser
Speaker 3: with the Panthers.
Speaker 1: I think that's a good idea. Again, I cannot see
Speaker 1: the Packers blowing them out in this game, you know,
Speaker 1: and look, the forty nine Ers completely blew them out
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, so there's always at risk.
Speaker 1: But I'd be really surprised if this is more than
Speaker 1: a one score game. So in terms of teasing them,
Speaker 1: I think that's a great idea. Let's move on to
Speaker 1: the Vikings that the Cowboys. Again, we have not seen
Speaker 1: tonight's game yet against the Giants, so that obviously could
Speaker 1: change things if there's a major injury or something. But
Speaker 1: right now, the Cowboys are laying three in the over
Speaker 1: under is at forty seven and a half. The Vikings lose,
Speaker 1: and that great game against the Chiefs that we talked
Speaker 1: about earlier. They also lose Adam Thielen, who left the
Speaker 1: game early with an aggravation of his hamstring injury. I'm
Speaker 1: sure when you have a soft tissue injury and you
Speaker 1: come back and you leave the game pretty early on
Speaker 1: feelan is not going to be ready to go in
Speaker 1: this game. They'll probably be smart and hold them out.
Speaker 1: Their defense is not quite as strong as it appeared
Speaker 1: earlier on Xavier Road. Certainly is I mean, he's getting
Speaker 1: benched at various points. Meanwhile, the Cowboys offense continues to
Speaker 1: look good with Amari Cooper on the field. Certainly, the
Speaker 1: defense solid but unspectacular. Cowboys are always a popular team
Speaker 1: to nationally televised game. How do you feel about Cowboys
Speaker 1: laying a field goal and the over under a forty
Speaker 1: seven and a half.
Speaker 2: I kind of want to.
Speaker 3: Look at Dallas and see what they do tonight against
Speaker 3: the Giants and maybe make a little more of a
Speaker 3: judgment at this point. At that point, I would have
Speaker 3: liked Dallas a lot better here in this in terms
Speaker 3: of a spot had the Vikings won yesterday. But they did,
Speaker 3: and that makes this an important game because they're really
Speaker 3: battling with the Green Bay to win the division and
Speaker 3: Vikings off loss.
Speaker 2: Kind of a scary team to fade.
Speaker 3: Flip side of it is, you know, Kirk Cousins against
Speaker 3: winning teams, not the most reliable guy in the world.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, he does play better indoors generally speaking, and
Speaker 1: you know they're not home, but they will be indoors here.
Speaker 1: But again, the Cowboys. You know, with the Eagles playing well, Cowboys,
Speaker 1: regardless of what happens tonight, they're gonna be pretty desperate
Speaker 1: for the win two. So it really is gonna be
Speaker 1: a really good game. I don't have a good feel
Speaker 1: for whatsoever at this point because you're gonna have two
Speaker 1: desperate teams, two teams that are both capable of putting
Speaker 1: up a lot of points. So it's going to be interesting.
Speaker 1: But you know, with the Cowboys being such a public
Speaker 1: team at a small number, so long as they look
Speaker 1: relatively competent like they usually do, nothing crazy tonight, I'm
Speaker 1: sure there'll be some money coming in on the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Let's move on to our Monday night game, maybe one
Speaker 1: of the best games of the week. The Seahawks at
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers. Forty nine Ers are currently laying
Speaker 1: six This has been between five and a half and
Speaker 1: six and a half that I've seen at least all day,
Speaker 1: the over under at forty five and a half. The
Speaker 1: forty nine ers here, they're coming off the mini buy.
Speaker 1: You know, they have the tough game against the Cardinals
Speaker 1: where it looked like they were about to put it
Speaker 1: away and then they let the Cardinals cut right back.
Speaker 1: Their defense has been a bit vulnerable lately, especially their
Speaker 1: run defense, and now they are down Kwan Alexander, so
Speaker 1: that's going to certainly open things up. But they are
Speaker 1: getting healthier on the offensive line. Joe Staley's probably coming back.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, the Seahawks, look, we talked about it. They
Speaker 1: don't have their Vonda defense anymore, but they have the
Speaker 1: guy who is probably the MVP of the league right
Speaker 1: now in Russell Wilson. He has just completely saved them
Speaker 1: from various devastating losses. So it's a little weird to
Speaker 1: analyze them because I feel like they're not a great team,
Speaker 1: but Wilson has played so incredibly well. So how do
Speaker 1: you feel here? Division game Monday Night Football? Forty nine
Speaker 1: ers laying six and the over under at forty five
Speaker 1: and a half.
Speaker 2: I'm not going against the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3: The team's on a roll and I think they'll get
Speaker 3: some public support here because they're unbeaten and it's less
Speaker 3: than a touchdown. So you might make a case that
Speaker 3: the shot guys might come in, well, the math guys
Speaker 3: might come in on Seattle, but a San Francisco right
Speaker 3: now is just a team you don't want to fade,
Speaker 3: and they're better than the Seahawks quite frankly, Garoppolo's final
Speaker 3: showing his good stuff. He actually was struggling along while
Speaker 3: they were winning games, and on the last couple of
Speaker 3: games he's really put it together. So you can argue
Speaker 3: they're playing their best football right now. Even though it
Speaker 3: was only a three point win against Arizona. I think
Speaker 3: they were the bit, you know, clearly the better team
Speaker 3: in that game and maybe just kind of relaxed in
Speaker 3: the second half thinking they had the game won, which
Speaker 3: can happen. I think the forty nine ers are going
Speaker 3: to be primed and ready for this one. They're got
Speaker 3: to be more arrested as well. Looks like at vander
Speaker 3: San Francisco to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the Minibi, I really do. I think,
Speaker 1: especially you know, they had a couple of injuries. They
Speaker 1: did lose Kwant Alexander as I said, but you know
Speaker 1: Kittle got banged up a little bit. He played through it,
Speaker 1: but he was hobbling most of the game. He's got,
Speaker 1: you know, extra time to get ready. You know. The
Speaker 1: problem I see is I do like the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers at that number just because when I look at
Speaker 1: the teams, you know, the forty nine ers are to
Speaker 1: me a much much better team. I would just be
Speaker 1: terrified of, you know, laying the points against Wilson just
Speaker 1: because you can see him at the very end coming back,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, instead of keeping it close. So it is
Speaker 1: a game where sort of when I analyze it, certainly
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers laying less than a touchdown I
Speaker 1: like because they're a much much better team.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'll say this though. If Seattle's running game.
Speaker 3: Does what it did yesterday against a very good running defense,
Speaker 3: that changes the equation. But they've got to do it
Speaker 3: more than one week for me to can be convinced
Speaker 3: if that's the case, and uh, you know, we'll find
Speaker 3: out on Monday. That's the Uh. The X factor in
Speaker 3: this game is if the Seahawks can run the football,
Speaker 3: then the field opens up for Russell Wilson, and you
Speaker 3: know what he could do what he's given time to pass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really surprising effort yesterday. Great game from Chris Carson. Again,
Speaker 1: I think that I think the Seahawks are on like
Speaker 1: their third center or something of the year. So you
Speaker 1: it was really surprising considering how strong the Bucks have been.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that's a good point. And again that
Speaker 1: is where you can attack a little bit the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers on the ground, So if they are successful there,
Speaker 1: that'll certainly open things up for Wilson. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: that's going to do it for today's show, Dave, Thanks
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