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Speaker 1: Hey there everyone, Welcome back to the Betting Pros NFL podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Bett MGM. I'm your host, Dan Harris.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Dan Harris eighty.

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Speaker 1: It is time for our early look at next week's lines.

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Speaker 1: And with me today to break it all down is

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Speaker 1: Dave Cocain, a longtime Las Vegas sports handicapper and host

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Speaker 1: of the LV Sports Line. You can find him on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at Dave Coke and Dave. How's it going?

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Speaker 2: Pretty good?

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Speaker 3: Coming out of a crazy weekend in the NFL where

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Speaker 3: all the home teams covered at least going into the

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Speaker 3: Monday night game. And I'm not a trivia guy, so

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Speaker 3: I don't know the last time that happened, but it's

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Speaker 3: obviously a very rare occurrence.

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Speaker 1: Now. Technically though the Jaguars were home right in London,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what we do about.

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Speaker 2: That, right, Yeah, that's we'll call that a neutral.

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Speaker 1: I think we'll call that a neutral. I agree as well,

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Speaker 1: even though they've been over there pretty much every year

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Speaker 1: since we started doing it. Well, let's get into week

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Speaker 1: ten here. Dave and I are going to be using

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Speaker 1: the consensus odds over at Bettingpros dot com. You know

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Speaker 1: by now that the consensus odds are an aggregation of

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Speaker 1: the odds that are available on the market. As always,

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Speaker 1: there are going to be differences in the various sports books,

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Speaker 1: so shop around for the best odds. All right, Dave,

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Speaker 1: let's side right in here with the Chargers at the

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Speaker 1: Raiders on Thursday night. This one has moved a little bit.

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Speaker 1: When I checked at the lookad line looked like it

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Speaker 1: was Raiders minus one. Right now we are showing the

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Speaker 1: consensus odds as Chargers minus one, the over under a

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Speaker 1: staate at forty seven and a half. The Chargers, just

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Speaker 1: when you think they're dead, they come out with a

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Speaker 1: strong defensive performance against the Packers. They do enough on

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Speaker 1: offense to put up points, largely relying on the run.

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Speaker 1: And as for the Raiders, they continue to play well,

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Speaker 1: at least offensively beating the Lions on Sunday. The offensive

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Speaker 1: line is strong, Josh Jacobs looks like a star, Derek

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Speaker 1: Tyrell Williams. So now Chargers laying one over under at

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Speaker 1: forty seven and a half. Any thoughts on that?

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Speaker 3: You know it's gonna be interesting to see how the

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Speaker 3: Raiders perform under what now will be a little bit

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Speaker 3: of pressure, because I think up till this point, the

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Speaker 3: Raiders have been a nice surprise, but now you know

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Speaker 3: they're in the hunt at this point, and it becomes

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Speaker 3: a different ballgame when you're expected to do well rather

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Speaker 3: than when you're just kind of free wheeling out there

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Speaker 3: and not expected to do much. Derek Carr is certainly

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Speaker 3: playing at a high level. I mean the play he

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Speaker 3: made on the game winning pass against the Lions with spectacular.

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Speaker 3: he threw the ball and completed, and the Raiders defense

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Speaker 3: stood up at the end when they had to. The Chargers, though,

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Speaker 3: going into this season, were looked upon as one of

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Speaker 3: the better teams in the league, and they just couldn't

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Speaker 3: really tough breaks. Looks like they're kind of rounding into form,

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Speaker 3: and I think that does kind of explain why the

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Speaker 3: betting action has been what it is.

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Speaker 2: I think the.

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Speaker 3: Sharp, sharp money, which is usually early money, is going

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Speaker 3: to the Chargers here and I can't disagree with that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, you don't think though that the line's

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Speaker 1: going to get anywhere to like the key number of three, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean we're going to be staying within a field

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, this will be I think I could

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Speaker 3: I don't think it gets to the key number three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Chargers always make me a little nervous, just because

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Speaker 1: you never know what's gonna happen when they come into

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Speaker 1: a game. Sometimes they show up, sometimes they don't. But

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Speaker 1: it's good to see kind of the Raiders getting a

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Speaker 1: blown out, but they really weren't that far away from

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Speaker 1: keeping that a close game. Out the game that a

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Speaker 1: lot of sharp betterers were really on the Raiders side

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Speaker 3: So it was a massive swing because the Raiders. I

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Speaker 2: They just got killed.

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Speaker 3: But no, I mean Oakland had a couple of red

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, maybe you shouldn't be running the

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Speaker 1: coach he's doing a pretty good job this year. Let's

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Speaker 1: move on to the Ravens at the Bengals. The Ravens

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Speaker 1: here are laying nine and a half and the over

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Speaker 1: I mean that line dropped roughly two points from the

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Speaker 1: switching quarterbacks here, going to Ryan Finley. AJ Green might

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Speaker 3: Well they are, and that's the problem is can the

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Speaker 3: Bengals hang in for sixty minutes? To me, this would

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Speaker 3: you know, the Ravens could be ripe here because they're

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Speaker 3: they're facing a winless team and now the only winless

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Speaker 3: gonna get a big effort out of the Bengals. I

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Speaker 3: don't think there's any question about that. The problem is,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they can hang in for sixty minutes.

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Speaker 3: So if I were looking at this one, and I'm

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Speaker 3: not locking this in as a play, but I might

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Speaker 3: consider Bengals first half or maybe even first quarter, you

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Speaker 3: would think the Bengals will come up with a lot

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Speaker 3: think that's just an energy boost for the team, and

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Speaker 3: it's a pride spot for Cincinnati at this point. Pride

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Speaker 1: How do you as a handicapper, how do you look

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Speaker 3: I mean, if if Ryan Finley's stepping in for I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And again, if they get aj green back, that'll

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Speaker 1: certainly be a little bit of a boon. Haven't heard

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Speaker 1: Let's move on here to the Bills at the Browns.

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Speaker 1: Browns here are laying two and a half. This has

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Speaker 1: just done nothing to show any cohesiveness offensively at all.

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Speaker 3: Well, the puppup's probably got a bet buffalo at this

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Speaker 3: point because the Bills are six and two and they're

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Speaker 3: The Browns, meanwhile, have burned a lot of people's money

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Speaker 3: they're going to be sick of backing him at this point.

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Speaker 3: I can't back Cleveland. They're two and six, and let's

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Speaker 3: call it straight Baker Mayfield at this point is a

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Speaker 3: It's tough for me to back Cleveland. The team doesn't

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Speaker 3: You can't see me on Cleveland. I don't think I

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Speaker 2: At six and two.

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Speaker 3: You know, they're an okay team, but they're really not

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Speaker 3: that won't make my card.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I completely agree. This is a game that

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Speaker 1: i'd stay from. You know, the thing with the Browns,

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Speaker 1: a combustible group of personalities that you knew, you know,

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Speaker 1: they were. I think they were the most bet team

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Speaker 1: the most Mayfield was the most bet guy to win

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Speaker 1: the MVP. So they've obviously burned a lot of people

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Speaker 1: going in here. They have such a combustible group of

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Speaker 1: I believe, two and six, so this season is pretty

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Speaker 1: much over. I did think, you know, against New England,

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Speaker 1: you know, it seemed kind of fluky, you know that

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Speaker 1: they didn't cover that game because you know, you had

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Speaker 1: that the ball kicked out of Chubb's hands and stuff

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Speaker 1: them another shot. But I agree against Gohead.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: You could say they could have in a whole bunch

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll be very popular to teasers.

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Speaker 1: I can guarantee you that absolutely. Giants at the Jets.

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Speaker 3: this is still a neighborhood rivalry game. How can you

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Speaker 3: They're a train wreck. I think their coaches are one

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Speaker 2: To be over.

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Speaker 3: I guess you could make a case that they'll be

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Speaker 1: No, there's no way you could back the Jets here.

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Speaker 1: I've always liked Darnold. I thought that he has a

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Speaker 1: They look right now like they could not beat I'm

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Speaker 3: Going on the road, and Tennessee is capable. They're not

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Speaker 1: This strikes me as a game where the public is

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Speaker 1: the Titans have played a little bit better than expected.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, but by.

435
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Speaker 3: No means a great team, and they're probably not going

436
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Speaker 3: to be a playoff team, But they're one of those

437
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Speaker 3: teams that on any given week can win. They also, unfortunately,

438
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Speaker 3: on any given week, can lose. So you've got to

439
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Speaker 3: hope that's not the case here. But this is not

440
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Speaker 3: a team that normally is going to get blown out,

441
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Speaker 3: especially at home.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as a general matter, I always list the Titans

443
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Speaker 1: as the one team I'm avoiding, regardless of what the

444
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Speaker 1: spread is, just because I feel like I never know

445
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Speaker 1: what we're going to see from them necessarily. But this

446
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Speaker 1: is a spot if you stay over a field goal,

447
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Speaker 1: particularly if more starts, It's a spot that I do

448
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Speaker 1: kind of feel like I might be willing to back

449
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Speaker 1: the Titans here because I could see them making game,

450
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Speaker 1: especially since they're coming off kind of a subpar effort

451
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Speaker 1: here against the Panthers. Let's move on here to the Cardinals.

452
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Speaker 1: At the Bucks. Right now, the Bucks are laying five

453
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Speaker 1: in our consensus odds. It was at six earlier today

454
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Speaker 1: when I checked. The over under has dropped half a

455
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Speaker 1: point to fifty two and a half. I mean that's

456
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Speaker 1: a pretty high over under here, and it's not surprising

457
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Speaker 1: since you can pass pretty easily on both teams. The

458
00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,000
Speaker 1: Bucks are not playing terribly. They could have easily won

459
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Speaker 1: yesterday against the Seahawks and the week before against the

460
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Speaker 1: Titans if the refs don't blow that call. They continue, though,

461
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Speaker 1: to have no pass defense whatsoever. They do stop the

462
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Speaker 1: run pretty well, but the Cardinals the defense continues to struggle.

463
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Speaker 1: But Kyler Murray was impressive against the forty nine ers

464
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Speaker 1: despite the loss. He'll probably get David Johnson back here.

465
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Speaker 1: They've added Kenyan Drake to add a little more punch

466
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Speaker 1: to that running game. So how do you feel here?

467
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Speaker 1: With the Bucks laying five and the high over under

468
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Speaker 1: of fifty two and a half.

469
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Speaker 3: This is the game I wanted to talk about the

470
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Speaker 3: most because Number one Arizona is going to give you

471
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Speaker 3: sixty minutes every game, and you saw that against the

472
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Speaker 3: forty nine ers last Thursday. I mean, if you've got

473
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Speaker 3: a forty nine er ticket at halftime, you think you're

474
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Speaker 3: sitting pretty and Arizona came back and really fought hard

475
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Speaker 3: in that game. The other side of it is the Bucks,

476
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Speaker 3: and you know, if Bruce Arians went back in a

477
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Speaker 3: retirement today might be an upgrade for the Bucks. I

478
00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:43,280
Speaker 3: thought that was an absolutely awful decision at the end

479
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Speaker 3: of regulation or toward the end of regulation to not

480
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Speaker 3: go for two. And I understand the math says, well,

481
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Speaker 3: you know, you make less than fifty percent on those

482
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Speaker 3: two point convergency. It's supposed to kick the extra point there.

483
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Speaker 3: But there's exceptions. And here's the exceptions. If your face

484
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Speaker 3: seeing Tom Brady, if you're facing Aaron Rodgers, if you're

485
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Speaker 3: facing Drew Brees, if you're facing Russell Wilson, you don't

486
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Speaker 3: want to go to overtime. You want to try and

487
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Speaker 3: win the game. You're two and five. The Bucks hadn't

488
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Speaker 3: stopped a thing in the second half of that game. Actually,

489
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Speaker 3: from the late part of the first half. It's twenty

490
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Speaker 3: one to seven, and they give up a touchdown on

491
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Speaker 3: late in the first half and they were getting run over.

492
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Speaker 2: In the second half. You got to go for two

493
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Speaker 2: in that spot. They didn't.

494
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Speaker 3: They should have lost the game in regulation, and then

495
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Speaker 3: they did lose it in overtime, and once Arizona, excuse me,

496
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 3: once Seattle won the coin flip, I knew I was

497
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Speaker 3: dead with the Tampa Bay ticket that game.

498
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Speaker 2: I had the Bucks plus the points and see on

499
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Speaker 2: that one.

500
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Speaker 3: I think that's a bad sign for the team. If

501
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Speaker 3: you asked the players, should we have gone for two,

502
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Speaker 3: I'll guarantee you most of the players would have said, yeah, laps,

503
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Speaker 3: let's try and win the game. And to me, that's

504
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Speaker 3: how you lose a football team. They're two and six.

505
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Speaker 3: This season is basically over at this point. And if

506
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Speaker 3: you're talking about two teams that aren't going any place,

507
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 3: give me the team that's fighting hard every game and

508
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Speaker 3: it is improving pretty much every game.

509
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Speaker 2: I like the Cardinals. I think the Cardinals have a

510
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Speaker 2: real good chance to win this straight up.

511
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with you. The Bucks sort of

512
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,880
Speaker 1: a little bit like the Titans for me, where I'm

513
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Speaker 1: just scared to get involved with them whenever they play,

514
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Speaker 1: because you really don't know what you're going to see.

515
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Speaker 1: I completely agree on the call to go for two.

516
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Speaker 1: Now again, well, they would have won the game. You know,

517
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 1: it looked like it wouldn't have mattered because Seattle had

518
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Speaker 1: the fieldal opportunity which they missed at the end of regulation.

519
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Speaker 1: But I agree if you're on the road in Seattle,

520
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 1: which I get is not the same as it used

521
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Speaker 1: to be necessarily and probably just because the defense isn't

522
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Speaker 1: as strong, but it's a difficult place to play. You've

523
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Speaker 1: got Russell Wilson on the other side. You've got to

524
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Speaker 1: try to go for that win there. So yeah, that's

525
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Speaker 1: a pretty back breaking loss right there. You could see it,

526
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Speaker 1: you know. And again with the Cardinals, they lost to

527
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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers on Thursday night, but as you said,

528
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Speaker 1: they really you know, they played hard that entire game.

529
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Speaker 1: It looked like they were dead in the water, especially

530
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Speaker 1: that horrific end to the first half where it looks

531
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Speaker 1: like they get that stop and then Kingsbury had called

532
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Speaker 1: the time out, so they get another go at it

533
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Speaker 1: and he throws the touch on pass and so they're

534
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Speaker 1: down seven more points than you thought. But to come

535
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Speaker 1: out and fight really, really hard says a lot about

536
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Speaker 1: the team. So yeah, I could see the two teams

537
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Speaker 1: going in different directions here and the Cardinals giving them

538
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Speaker 1: certainly a game, especially when you're getting I mean, it's

539
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 1: a dead number, but you know, getting five points is

540
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Speaker 1: certainly not insignificant whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: No, I am anything more than three to me as

542
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Speaker 2: a little bonus.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's move on here to the Lions at the Bears.

544
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Speaker 1: The Bears here are laying two and a half. It's

545
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Speaker 1: down from three. The over under is at forty three,

546
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Speaker 1: down from forty three and a half. Again, I'm a

547
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: little surprised here. I mean, the Bears look completely dead

548
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 1: in the water right now. They have nothing going on Offensively.

549
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: They showed it again in their loss of Eagles. I

550
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 1: believe they had nine yards at the end of the

551
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Speaker 1: first half or something like that. And their defense is

552
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Speaker 1: just not at all what it was from last year.

553
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: They have real difficulty stopping the run, which doesn't really

554
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 1: matter that much against the Lions because they don't have

555
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: an actual running back, but once Akeem Hicks went down,

556
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: they really struggled there. But overall their defense just is

557
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 1: not that scary. Meanwhile, the Lions have no semblance of

558
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: the running game, but their passing game is working well

559
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: and although they have defensive deficiencies, it's just hard to

560
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Speaker 1: see the Bears taking advantage of any team, regardless of

561
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Speaker 1: how bad the defense is. So the Bears here laying

562
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Speaker 1: less than the field goal at two and a half

563
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Speaker 1: in the over under at forty three.

564
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's a tough look. The Lions

565
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 3: are in every game, so you've got to figure the

566
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Speaker 3: Lions have a chance to win here on the Chicago side,

567
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Speaker 3: uh Naggie, Well, first of all, second grade math. It's

568
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 3: nineteen to nothing late third quarter, you score a touchdown,

569
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Speaker 3: you've got to go for two. You're not supposed to

570
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Speaker 3: go for one.

571
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

572
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Speaker 3: I don't know how any coach can make a mistake

573
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Speaker 3: that egregious. They're also it's just one of those seasons

574
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Speaker 3: where everything is going wrong. David Montgomery played a good

575
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Speaker 3: game yesterday for the Bears, but he's probably the goat

576
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Speaker 3: on the biggest play of the game. It's nineteen fourteen.

577
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 3: Trubisky throws him a screen pass. He's got a blocker

578
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 3: and green pastors. I mean, it's gonna go for at

579
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Speaker 3: least twenty five five yards. It might have gone all

580
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Speaker 3: the way and put the Bears in the lead. And

581
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Speaker 3: he drops the football, And that was the biggest play

582
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Speaker 3: of the game because the Bears would.

583
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Speaker 2: Never heard from again in the matchup.

584
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Speaker 3: So, you know, one play by a guy who played

585
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Speaker 3: well but ends up the going on what turned out

586
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 3: to me to be the biggest player of the game.

587
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Speaker 2: And that's the Bears season in Microcossum.

588
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 3: They managed to do something wrong at the most critical

589
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 3: moment every week and I'm not sure I see that

590
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Speaker 3: changing here. The Lions are playing better football than the

591
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Speaker 3: Bears at this point. They'll have a good chance to

592
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Speaker 3: go in and win this game.

593
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would take the Lions here. I mean my

594
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Speaker 1: early inclination just because again the Bears you talk about,

595
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Speaker 1: you know, the Bucks maybe having a loss that just

596
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: kind of makes you feel defeated. I mean Trubisky. You know,

597
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: there was a lot of calls for Trubisky to get

598
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Speaker 1: benched at halftime, and he obviously came out and played

599
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: a little bit better. But he has completely regressed as

600
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Speaker 1: a quarterback this tea, you know.

601
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Speaker 3: But part of that is I think they're running the

602
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 3: wrong offense for him. He's a very mobile quarterback. Get him,

603
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Speaker 3: get him some running lane, some running lane roots, because

604
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 3: if you get if you increase the threat of Trubisky

605
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 3: with his legs, it'll make his arm better. I don't

606
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 3: think he's a pocket passer. I think you've got to

607
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 3: get this guy on the move. And the bear Sea

608
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 3: reluctant to change their offense to suit what his strengths are,

609
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 3: as limited as he might be. I mean, you at

610
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 3: least are supposed to design your offense to bring out

611
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 3: the best in your quarterback. Well, they're not doing that

612
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 3: with their offense.

613
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Speaker 1: No, and I do agree with that. I think they

614
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: are not utilizing his legs enough. And he does throw

615
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: well when he's on the run and everything like that.

616
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Speaker 1: The problem is, I mean, look, it's the same coach

617
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Speaker 1: from last year, and it's you know, it's I realized

618
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Speaker 1: that you know the system that they're in. It's the

619
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Speaker 1: same and to me, I get it. I wish they

620
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: would do things a little differently. But even with what

621
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Speaker 1: they're doing, he looks completely lost. And I get that

622
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Speaker 1: he's not just a pocket passer, but I mean, he

623
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Speaker 1: can't go through his progressions. He's incredibly inaccurate, you know it,

624
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Speaker 1: just you expect growth even without them fully utilizing what

625
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: they need to do to get the most out of him,

626
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Speaker 1: he still just looks like to me, a guy who

627
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: has just not progressed in the normal way that a

628
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: third year quarterback would progress.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, I would agree with that,

630
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: and I think the Bears are going to have to

631
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Speaker 3: make a tough decision after this year because you're not

632
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Speaker 3: going anywhere with Trubisky is the quarterback and you don't

633
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: have a backup Chase. I mean, you know, Chase Daniel

634
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 3: is strictly a backup who can manage a game, and

635
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 3: he's not gonna win your games. I guess what they

636
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 3: do with the rest of the season is toss them

637
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: out there, because the season is basically over for the

638
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 3: Beers at this point.

639
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: Throw him out there and see if it can improve.

640
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Speaker 3: And and that should be your your process for making

641
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 3: the decision at the end of the season as to

642
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: what to do in the draft or maybe in terms

643
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 3: of a trade.

644
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Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent agree. And you know, look, I

645
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: do like the Lions here, you know, getting even less

646
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: than a field goal. But it's worth noting that the

647
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: Lions are kind of have a little bit of the

648
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: Bears type of you know, season in them, and that

649
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 1: they could easily have a much better record than they do.

650
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Speaker 1: But they also kind of find ways to.

651
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Speaker 3: Be Yeah, but here's I think the difference for me

652
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: is the Lions. You could make a case the Lions

653
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 3: should have a great record. I don't think he can

654
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 3: make a case the Beers should. I think the Lions

655
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 3: have played a lot better football than the Chicago Bears have.

656
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 3: The Beers have been a bad football team.

657
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,719
Speaker 1: I could not agree with that more absolutely right, I mean,

658
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm saying. When you see the Bears

659
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: laying points, I get it there at home whatever, it's

660
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: a visual game, But you know, I just it's hard

661
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: to see the Bears beating anyone other than maybe the Jets,

662
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: of course, and maybe one of the teams in our

663
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: next game, which is the Dolphins at the Colts. Colts

664
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Speaker 1: here are laying ten and a half. The over under

665
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: is at forty four and a half. Now, we've got

666
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: sort of the quarterback situation up in the air here.

667
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett. He has not yet been ruled out. He's

668
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: got an MCL issue. I think they're calling it a

669
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: minor sprain. Kind of feels like to me like they'll

670
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: play it safe considering they should be able to beat

671
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: the Dolphins regardless even with Brian Hoyer playing and he

672
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: played well, you know, without in Brissette stead yesterday, even

673
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: without t Y Hilton, who are through three touchdown passes.

674
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: I believe the Dolphins meanwhile, come off there big, but

675
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: they lose Preston Williams for the season. They lose their

676
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: running back Mark Walton, who was suspended for four games

677
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: a couple of hours ago. Now they're going on the road.

678
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: They have covered in four straight games, so that is

679
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: something when they're getting all the points. But how do

680
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: you feel here with the Dolphins at the Colts. Colts

681
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: laying ten and a half over under forty four and a.

682
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: Half, I don't know that i'd lay it because the

683
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 3: Dolphins are at least mostly trying to compete. I mean,

684
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 3: the players aren't tanking, and you know, they got to win.

685
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 3: So they'll probably be some enthusiasm in practice this week

686
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 3: and they might be able to hang around, especially if

687
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 3: Hoyer is playing. I mean, Hoyer did play reasonably well

688
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: yesterday in relief of percent, but he also threw a

689
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 3: pick six, which Hoyer is capable of doing in any game.

690
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be laying double digits with the Colts, but

691
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: Indiana was certainly should win the game. So this falls

692
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: into that category where you might want to take a

693
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: look at the Colts and a teaser.

694
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's fair. I don't like it.

695
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: You know, over ten and a half is not something

696
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: I really want to get involved in. I don't mind

697
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: the over on the forty four and a half. I think,

698
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: you know, the Colts have a strong defense, but I

699
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: think you know, if Fitzpatrick has shown he's able to

700
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: put a points with the Dolphins, and I think regardless

701
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: of who you have under center for the Colts at

702
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: this point, whether or not a Toyer, who again, if

703
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: Brissett's going to be out, I'm sure he'll take the

704
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: first team reps all week so he'll be a little

705
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: more prepared and everything like that. But again, both these

706
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: guys have pick six potential at any given time, so

707
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm really not I'd lean towards the over here at

708
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: forty four and a half. Let's move on to the rams.

709
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: At the Steelers rams currently laying four. This was three

710
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: and a half and the over under at forty five,

711
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: and it was forty four and a half. Rams are

712
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: coming off the bye here, they're hopeful to have Brandon

713
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: Cooks back after his second concussion, but that remains to

714
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: be seen. They've looked out of sorts offensively all year.

715
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: I mean they have a terrible offensive line. Obviously not

716
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: a good thing against the Steelers, who, as we just

717
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: talked about, escape against Indianapolis with that win, but they

718
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: also continue to look stagnant offensively. Mason Rudolf just cannot

719
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: get into a groove, doesn't push the ball down field

720
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: very well. It's the third straight home game for the

721
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: Steelers here, so how do you feel about the playing

722
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: four in the over under at forty five.

723
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: Well, Steelers game plan here is get let's get pressure

724
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: on Golf because he has not responded well to pocket

725
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: pressure this year. And I don't know, maybe he does here,

726
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 3: but that hasn't been the case for Golf all season.

727
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: He's had a very ordinary season in terms of what

728
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: the expectations were coming in. Now, he did find some

729
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: room in the last game. They kept throwing in the

730
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: slot to Cooper Cup and it couldn't get stopped. But

731
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 3: the Steelers are a smarter defensive team and I think

732
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 3: they can take Cup away to some extent. So then

733
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 3: what do they do, especially if they're missing Cooks the Steelers.

734
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: This is Mike Tomlin's strength.

735
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 3: I know Tomlin gets some criticism, and rightfully so at times,

736
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 3: but one of his strengths is finding ways to kind

737
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 3: of grind out wins when they're not expected to.

738
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: And I think yesterday was a good example.

739
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got lucky Vinitary mister kick and Brissett got hurt,

740
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 3: but they still did manage to win the game. And

741
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 3: James Connor wasn't on the field for Pittsburgh, who's probably

742
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 3: their second most valuable offensive player. I wouldn't be surprised

743
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: if the Steelers beat the Rams. The Rams, to me,

744
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: have had, for the most part, a season long hangover

745
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: from the Super Bowl, and that happens to the Super

746
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 3: Bowl losers sometimes, and the Rams seem to be showing

747
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 3: all those symptoms. They really haven't at any point resembled

748
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: the team we saw last year, and I'm not sure

749
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 3: there's suddenly going to here.

750
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a game where it's a little dicey.

751
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,959
Speaker 1: You know, it's an early forecast, so you don't want

752
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: to get into it, but the weather in Pittsburgh looks

753
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: pretty rough as scheduled for some day. Again, we're way

754
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: off at this point. But to the extent there's going

755
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: to be showers and it's going to be snow or

756
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: something like that, then it's something to keep in mind.

757
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: You know, I don't really know. It seems so gimmicky

758
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: with the Steelers, I get it. I mean, Tomlin is

759
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: grinding out wins. You know, the idea that thirteen catches

760
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: for Jalen Samuels. You know, none of their receivers get involved.

761
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 1: It just seems so crazy to me that they were

762
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: able to do that to me, really, you know, regardless

763
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: of the game. Again, this is one where I feel

764
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: like this might be something where I might like the

765
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: under when all of a sudden done. It's at forty

766
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: five right now. Two teams. You know, the Rams are

767
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: struggling offensively, and again you made great points. The offensive

768
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: line is terrible. The Steelers get a lot of pressure

769
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: on the quarterback, so I think you know, Golf, as

770
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: you said, he's really really struggled whenever he has had

771
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: pressure this year, which has been pretty much all the time.

772
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: The Rams defense, though, I feel like it's playing a

773
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: little bit better of late in recent weeks. And again

774
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: they added Jayalen Ramsey, so you know that is going

775
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: to add a little bit to them. So for me,

776
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, at forty five, I kind of lean towards

777
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: the under, but in terms of the spread, I agree.

778
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: It's just not one. I don't have a great feel

779
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: for it because I could see it going either way

780
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,640
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Speaker 1: let's go on to the Panthers at the Packers. Right now,

797
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: the Packers are laying five and a half and the

798
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: over under at forty eight, polar opposite Sundays here for

799
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: these two teams. Kyle Allen already been named the starter

800
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: for Week ten and probably for the remainder of the

801
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: season given the recent reports about Cam Newton. He bounces

802
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: back well against the Titans after a dreadful game against

803
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers. Christian McCaffrey continues to run extremely well, obviously,

804
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: and he should have a field day against the area

805
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: where you attack the Packers, which is their run defense. Now,

806
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: the Packers, they had been rolling, but they look absolutely

807
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: terrible against the Chargers despite the return of DeVante Adams.

808
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: They are coming home here. So how do you feel

809
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: about Packers laying five and a half over under at

810
00:33:59,040 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: forty eight.

811
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: I don't pick this number'll hold up. I think it's

812
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: gonna come down.

813
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: Carolina was a sharp play against the forty nine Ers,

814
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 3: which obviously didn't work out, but the betting market was

815
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: certainly at least the sharp market was certainly on the

816
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 3: Panthers in that game, and Carolina responded from that bad

817
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 3: game with a very good performance yesterday against Tennessee.

818
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: So some pluses on the Carolina side. The Packers, I.

819
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 3: Think there's some thought that, you know, I'm not I

820
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 3: don't want to use the word fraud, because they're a

821
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 3: good football team, but they're they're not quite at the

822
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 3: level of what I think are the best teams in

823
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: the NFC, and I think some of that was shown yesterday.

824
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 2: You would expect Aaron Rodgers to have a much better

825
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 2: game than he had against the.

826
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: Chargers, certainly, but he's going against another pretty quality defense here,

827
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 3: and the Packers do have some holes. I wouldn't be

828
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 3: surprised if Carolina goes in and gives them a real

829
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: good football game. This is probably one of the This

830
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: could be the best game of the schedule in terms

831
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 3: of who knows who's gonna win, and a game that

832
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 3: certainly looks like a one possession game.

833
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree. I'm really excited to see this game.

834
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: I don't really know what to do with the Packers.

835
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: I don't really know what they are because you know,

836
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: when Devanta Adams was out, they were winning, you know,

837
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: and their offense was, you know, being driven by you

838
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: know a lot of Aaron Jones, but a lot of

839
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: you know, passes to the running backs, and that just

840
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a sustainable They don't have any pass

841
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: catchers who can really make it done. I mean, Marcus

842
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: Valdez Scanling isn't doing anything, Geronimo Allison isn't doing anything.

843
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham, you know, maybe a threat in the red

844
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: zone and everything like that. And now Adams returns and

845
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 1: their offense looks sort of stagnant. Part of me wants

846
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: to throw it out a little bit. As the cross

847
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: country trip, they got there a little early. Maybe they

848
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: kind of let their heads sneak out of it. But

849
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: in the end, I agree. They've also shown some holes defensively,

850
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: even in their passing defense, which was really their strength.

851
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: So this is going to be a good game. And again,

852
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: I like the Panthers against the forty nine ers that week.

853
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: They obviously disappointed, but I think this game showed you

854
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: what they're really made of. So I do think that

855
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: this one's going to be a good game. I could

856
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: I certainly expected to be within a touchdown, and you

857
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 1: know I wouldn't be surprised that the Panthers going there

858
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: and win the game out right.

859
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is one of those games where I don't

860
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 3: have a problem with teasing up underdogs, especially when you

861
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 3: can go to at least well, you're going through a

862
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 3: couple of key obviously you go through seven and ten, right,

863
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: I don't think that's a bad idea at all. It's

864
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 3: to find somebody to go at a six point teaser

865
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: with the Panthers.

866
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: I think that's a good idea. Again, I cannot see

867
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: the Packers blowing them out in this game, you know,

868
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: and look, the forty nine Ers completely blew them out

869
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, so there's always at risk.

870
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: But I'd be really surprised if this is more than

871
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: a one score game. So in terms of teasing them,

872
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: I think that's a great idea. Let's move on to

873
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: the Vikings that the Cowboys. Again, we have not seen

874
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: tonight's game yet against the Giants, so that obviously could

875
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: change things if there's a major injury or something. But

876
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: right now, the Cowboys are laying three in the over

877
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: under is at forty seven and a half. The Vikings lose,

878
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: and that great game against the Chiefs that we talked

879
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: about earlier. They also lose Adam Thielen, who left the

880
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: game early with an aggravation of his hamstring injury. I'm

881
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: sure when you have a soft tissue injury and you

882
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: come back and you leave the game pretty early on

883
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: feelan is not going to be ready to go in

884
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: this game. They'll probably be smart and hold them out.

885
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: Their defense is not quite as strong as it appeared

886
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: earlier on Xavier Road. Certainly is I mean, he's getting

887
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: benched at various points. Meanwhile, the Cowboys offense continues to

888
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: look good with Amari Cooper on the field. Certainly, the

889
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: defense solid but unspectacular. Cowboys are always a popular team

890
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: to nationally televised game. How do you feel about Cowboys

891
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: laying a field goal and the over under a forty

892
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: seven and a half.

893
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 2: I kind of want to.

894
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 3: Look at Dallas and see what they do tonight against

895
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 3: the Giants and maybe make a little more of a

896
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 3: judgment at this point. At that point, I would have

897
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 3: liked Dallas a lot better here in this in terms

898
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 3: of a spot had the Vikings won yesterday. But they did,

899
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: and that makes this an important game because they're really

900
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: battling with the Green Bay to win the division and

901
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 3: Vikings off loss.

902
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: Kind of a scary team to fade.

903
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 3: Flip side of it is, you know, Kirk Cousins against

904
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 3: winning teams, not the most reliable guy in the world.

905
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, he does play better indoors generally speaking, and

906
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: you know they're not home, but they will be indoors here.

907
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: But again, the Cowboys. You know, with the Eagles playing well, Cowboys,

908
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: regardless of what happens tonight, they're gonna be pretty desperate

909
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: for the win two. So it really is gonna be

910
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: a really good game. I don't have a good feel

911
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: for whatsoever at this point because you're gonna have two

912
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: desperate teams, two teams that are both capable of putting

913
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: up a lot of points. So it's going to be interesting.

914
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: But you know, with the Cowboys being such a public

915
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: team at a small number, so long as they look

916
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: relatively competent like they usually do, nothing crazy tonight, I'm

917
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: sure there'll be some money coming in on the Cowboys.

918
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: Let's move on to our Monday night game, maybe one

919
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: of the best games of the week. The Seahawks at

920
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers. Forty nine Ers are currently laying

921
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: six This has been between five and a half and

922
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: six and a half that I've seen at least all day,

923
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: the over under at forty five and a half. The

924
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: forty nine ers here, they're coming off the mini buy.

925
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: You know, they have the tough game against the Cardinals

926
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: where it looked like they were about to put it

927
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: away and then they let the Cardinals cut right back.

928
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: Their defense has been a bit vulnerable lately, especially their

929
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: run defense, and now they are down Kwan Alexander, so

930
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: that's going to certainly open things up. But they are

931
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: getting healthier on the offensive line. Joe Staley's probably coming back.

932
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, the Seahawks, look, we talked about it. They

933
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: don't have their Vonda defense anymore, but they have the

934
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: guy who is probably the MVP of the league right

935
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: now in Russell Wilson. He has just completely saved them

936
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: from various devastating losses. So it's a little weird to

937
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: analyze them because I feel like they're not a great team,

938
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: but Wilson has played so incredibly well. So how do

939
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: you feel here? Division game Monday Night Football? Forty nine

940
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: ers laying six and the over under at forty five

941
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: and a half.

942
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 2: I'm not going against the forty nine ers.

943
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: The team's on a roll and I think they'll get

944
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 3: some public support here because they're unbeaten and it's less

945
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: than a touchdown. So you might make a case that

946
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: the shot guys might come in, well, the math guys

947
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 3: might come in on Seattle, but a San Francisco right

948
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 3: now is just a team you don't want to fade,

949
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: and they're better than the Seahawks quite frankly, Garoppolo's final

950
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: showing his good stuff. He actually was struggling along while

951
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 3: they were winning games, and on the last couple of

952
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 3: games he's really put it together. So you can argue

953
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 3: they're playing their best football right now. Even though it

954
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: was only a three point win against Arizona. I think

955
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 3: they were the bit, you know, clearly the better team

956
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: in that game and maybe just kind of relaxed in

957
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: the second half thinking they had the game won, which

958
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 3: can happen. I think the forty nine ers are going

959
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 3: to be primed and ready for this one. They're got

960
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 3: to be more arrested as well. Looks like at vander

961
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: San Francisco to me.

962
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the Minibi, I really do. I think,

963
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: especially you know, they had a couple of injuries. They

964
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: did lose Kwant Alexander as I said, but you know

965
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: Kittle got banged up a little bit. He played through it,

966
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: but he was hobbling most of the game. He's got,

967
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, extra time to get ready. You know. The

968
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: problem I see is I do like the forty nine

969
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: ers at that number just because when I look at

970
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: the teams, you know, the forty nine ers are to

971
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: me a much much better team. I would just be

972
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: terrified of, you know, laying the points against Wilson just

973
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: because you can see him at the very end coming back,

974
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah, instead of keeping it close. So it is

975
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: a game where sort of when I analyze it, certainly

976
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers laying less than a touchdown I

977
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: like because they're a much much better team.

978
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'll say this though. If Seattle's running game.

979
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 3: Does what it did yesterday against a very good running defense,

980
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 3: that changes the equation. But they've got to do it

981
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: more than one week for me to can be convinced

982
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 3: if that's the case, and uh, you know, we'll find

983
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 3: out on Monday. That's the Uh. The X factor in

984
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 3: this game is if the Seahawks can run the football,

985
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 3: then the field opens up for Russell Wilson, and you

986
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 3: know what he could do what he's given time to pass.

987
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, really surprising effort yesterday. Great game from Chris Carson. Again,

988
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: I think that I think the Seahawks are on like

989
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: their third center or something of the year. So you

990
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: it was really surprising considering how strong the Bucks have been.

991
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that's a good point. And again that

992
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 1: is where you can attack a little bit the forty

993
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: nine ers on the ground, So if they are successful there,

994
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: that'll certainly open things up for Wilson. All right, Well,

995
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,480
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996
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