WEBVTT - #831 Packers Unscripted: OTAs up next 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:12.760 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:15.920 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined by my 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:18.160 partner in crime, Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:21.479 from our studios at Lambeufield. Wes. We finished our last 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:23.919 show talking about some of the things we heard from 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:27.280 the offensive assistant coaches when they met with the media, 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.600 the only time that they will do so during the 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:33.199 off season program before we get to training camp. So 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:35.519 let's shift gears a little bit and talk about what 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:40.040 we heard on the defensive side, and obviously a coach 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:42.720 that a lot of people are very interested in, defensive 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:47.360 line coach DeMarcus coving the new hire on the defensive staff. 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:49.600 He comes from the New England Patriots. He had worked 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:53.480 his way up from really the bottom position on Bill 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.480 Belichick's defensive staff all the way up to then becoming 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:00.720 the defensive coordinator the year after Belichick is gone when 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.440 Jared Mayo took over as the head coach there in 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.280 New England. And I thought it was interesting hearing because 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.399 I hadn't really thought of this in when we heard 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:14.880 about Covington getting hired. The connection there between members of 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:18.399 the Boston College coaching staff and the New England coaching staff. 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.480 And of course I'm talking about Jeff Halfley when he 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:24.000 was the head coach at Boston College, where those two 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:29.120 coaching staffs would invite the other to attend practices and 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:32.039 just kind of observe and and maybe even sit in 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:36.760 on meetings and and pick the brains of both sets 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:40.120 of coaching staffs. And not that there was a super 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:44.160 close personal relationship or anything developed between Covington and Halflee, 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:49.200 but there was definitely a respectful professional relationship there about 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.200 how both of them went about their business. And then 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:54.920 now there's kind of been this match with Covington coming 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:56.160 to work on Hafley staff. 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:59.000 Yeah, and it was very interesting listening not only to Halfley, 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:01.000 but also Matt Laflor's discuss this a little bit too. 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.760 I mean, just how much Covington impressed this coaching staff 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:05.600 with his background. I mean, this is a guy that 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:09.400 was a former wide receiver that starts coaching the defensive 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:11.760 side of the ball when he's with Bill Belichick in 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.800 New England, and next thing you know, he's the defensive 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:18.239 coordinator for the New England Patriots last season. And again, 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:21.320 a young man that is still relatively spelt, I would 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:24.000 say coaching a position of three hundred and ten, three 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:27.040 hundred and twenty pound behemoths. Yeah, a very unique thing. 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:30.760 But to your original point, I think it's the relationships 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:32.280 you take for granted. We see it all the time. 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:36.160 There'll be members of the Wisconsin coaching staff. Shoot, great 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.519 guard came up last year for a practice that when 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:44.000 you have those internal relationships where it's Green Bay Packers 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:47.200 Wisconsin Badgers football, it only makes sense to you know 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.440 occasionally you know, kind of put your heads together on 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:53.040 some things. And it sounds like that's something Belichick was 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.680 really big on when he was out in New England 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.640 and challenging his coaches to learn and to see different 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:00.920 ways to do things. And the other thing I thought 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.240 was really interesting from Covington was him mentioning that he 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.680 doesn't think he's ever coached a first round pick before, 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.760 and now he has four of them in the Green 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:12.320 Bay Packers on the defensive front. So yeah, a very 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:15.920 unique addition. And as Lafleur also talked about, they interviewed 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:20.079 a lot of really high caliber, talented defensive line coaches 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.520 and Covington end up being the one that emerged in 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:27.919 this whole you know, series of interviews, and obviously we're 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:29.400 getting a small taste for why. 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.160 Yeah, very interesting for a coach to go from being 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:35.080 a wide receiver as a player to then making his 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.160 way to the defensive side as a coach. Not unheard 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:39.080 of by any stretch. 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.600 The least surprising thing out of a Belichick coaching stat 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:42.920 They do that stuff all the time. 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:47.160 Yeah, those kinds of things can happen. Another one I 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:50.040 thought that was interesting to hear from was a new 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:55.720 linebackers coach, Sean Duggan, and I realized, not just because 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.640 they share a first name, but Sean Duggan is kind 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.640 of like the sewn many of the defensive side, and 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.200 that he was hired a year ago sort of in 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:09.040 a more general like assistant type of role, but with 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.680 the idea that he would probably be the next in 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:15.680 line for that certain position group when the time came, 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:20.120 and to no one's surprise, Anthony Campanelli got snatched up 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.400 for a coordinator job here in the offseason after just 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:27.000 one year in Green Bay. So Sean Duggan, after one 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:30.880 year on Jeff Hafley's staff, now has been promoted to 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:36.240 a position coach, and so he's already got the familiarity 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:38.600 with a lot of the players and what's going on. 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:42.280 He obviously has a longer relationship with Isaiah mcduffin, going 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:47.480 back to Boston College where he coached McDuffie there too. 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:49.760 But a couple of things I heard from Dougan that 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.880 were interesting. One is that the word that he used 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.320 to describe by Isaiah Simmons when he was asked about 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:59.880 him is hungry. So that's something to keep an eye 0:04:59.880 --> 0:05:04.320 on because I've felt that, you know, these two free 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.520 agent signings the Packers made, one on each side of 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:10.240 the ball, Nicole Hardman at wide receiver and returner special teams, 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:14.279 and then Isaiah Simmons at linebacker, you know, sort of 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.560 hybrid player on defense also maybe on special teams. No 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.799 guarantee either of those players is going to make the roster. 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.279 But when you hear about when you hear about a 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.360 veteran with the time that Isaiah Simmons has put in 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.400 and here he is in the off season program kind 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:31.560 of going through some of these these basic days of 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.200 the offseason and his position, coach says, I see a 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:38.000 hungry player. Yep, that's something that catches my attention. And 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:42.320 then the other was he talked about quay Walker and 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:45.960 how he felt towards the end of last season that 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:51.360 quay Walker was was really just starting to feel fully 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.800 comfortable with Jeff Hafley's scheme and what he was being 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.560 asked to do. And obviously Walker had some injuries, and 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:59.479 when you're missing time and you're trying to learn a 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.320 new system and you're not not always in the lineup 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:04.719 weekend and week out, that can certainly have an impact. 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.599 But I think there are a lot of a lot 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.840 of arrows pointing up potentially for kway Walker as he 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:15.480 now moves into year two in this defensive scheme. 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.120 Yeah, I'm going to take this in a series kind 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:19.919 of reacting to the three things you brought up. The 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:22.280 first and foremost with Dougan as this as the in 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:25.680 sidelinebackers coach now thirty two years old. I mean, this 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.160 is kind of the era we're entering now where you're 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:29.839 going to see some of these guys that we're playing 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:33.040 college football in the twenty tens now becoming position coaches, 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.680 becoming coordinators. And his connection with Halfley goes back six 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.280 seven years. Yeah, this is a guy that played at 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:42.320 BC was working his way up the coaching tree, then 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.839 goes and takes a grad assistant job with Ohio State, 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.560 and ever since then he's kind of been attached at 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.360 the hip with Halfley throughout this whole thing. And I 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:53.440 think a lot of us felt like as soon as 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.320 Anthony Campanelli moved on and got that opportunity in Jacksonville, 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:58.960 this was the natural progression. And honestly, I think this 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:01.159 is the perfect way to build coaching staffs too, where 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.080 you have these you know, assistants to the assistant so 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:07.039 to speak, like Dougan was, and now he's sitting in 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.680 the captain's chair and has a very talented room that 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:13.000 he's going to be working with. Isaiah Simmons. I've loved 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:15.960 this signing from day one, and there was multiple reasons 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.560 for that. One his intangibles. Man, you just don't get 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:20.679 very many NFL players, you don't get very many NFL 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:24.280 defenders with his makeup, and yeah, roll the dice on it, 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:26.800 see what happens. Also, by the way, could potentially be 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:29.480 a special teams contributor as well. He was the last 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.000 two years for the Giants. But what I really liked 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.320 about the Simmons signing is it was a very mature 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.560 decision from both sides. Simmons came in and did a 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.680 visit with Packers two weeks before the NFL Draft, then 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:45.400 the NFL Draft happens, Packers don't draft anybody at that position, 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.840 and then Simmons comes in and they sign them. I 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:50.920 felt like that made sense for both sides, and he'll 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:55.360 obviously add a lot to that competition. Kway Walker fifth 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:57.480 year option not exercise. That was a big point of 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.120 you know, big topic earlier this month. But I think 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:01.600 we're going to see the best version of him this year. 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:03.240 I think you're going to see aim motivated Quay not 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:04.880 that he hasn't already been, but I think you're going 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:06.920 to see a young man that wants to prove to everybody. 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.120 I am the Mike linebacker of this defense. I can 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.440 be the face of this defense going forward. We've seen 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:15.720 flashes of it. He has every intangible you want. And 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:17.720 one of the big things I've been saying, Michael, the 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:19.760 moment that edgern Cooper proved that he could be an 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:23.120 every down player for the Packers, the idea of him 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:26.320 and Quay Walker on the field together it's kind of 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.800 like the the Tucker Craft Luke Muskrave and we want 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:29.560 to see it it is. 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:31.960 It's yeah, we have, but we haven't seen it too much. 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:35.080 And that was I was looking back at last year 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:38.160 just going over, okay, when Walker was playing, when Cooper 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:41.640 was playing, because both guys were dealing with injuries and 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:45.840 they they had their share of time on the field together. 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.560 But there was actually only one game all season last 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:53.280 year that Kuay Walker and Edrin Cooper were both starters 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.199 on the defense, and it was the playoff game in Philadelphia. 0:08:56.200 --> 0:09:00.560 Crazy doesn't happen until the postseason. So that is definitely 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:04.040 something and I look at when you look at Walker 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.600 a first round pick and Cooper a second round pick, 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:10.559 and the athletic makeup of those two guys and there 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.920 and what they could do potentially playing side by side. 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.079 You hope it's one of those things where Cooper can 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.640 help make Walker a better player and vice versa. Walker's 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.560 presence can help make Cooper a better player, and that 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.160 could that could really elevate just that, you know, kind 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:28.800 of what you call the heart of the defense, the 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.120 core of the defense, with those guys for the most 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.319 part lining up in the middle of the field. One 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:38.480 other comment I want to reflect on from the defensive 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:42.840 assistant coaches when we heard from them last week. Derek Ainsley, 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:50.280 the defensive passing game coordinator, he didn't, you know, wax 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.000 eloquently in any way about this, but he did mention 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.480 that he's been impressed so far what he's seen in 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.480 the offseason program in year two from Kaylin King, seventh 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.480 round draft out of Penn State from a year ago. 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:05.719 And this will be this will just be something that's 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:09.199 interesting to watch because we saw a seventh round draft 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.280 pick at corner a couple of years ago, and Carrington 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:14.439 Valentine came into his own pretty quickly. The Packers took 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:16.640 Kaylan King in the seventh round last year. They took 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:20.880 Michael Robinson in the seventh round this year. If you 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.880 have if if you get the right guys like that 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.920 late in the draft and they get the right opportunity 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:30.720 and and everything with the coaching and all that meshes together, 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.719 you really have the opportunity to develop players that can 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:38.520 help you. And I think I mean Kayle and kayl 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:43.160 and King couldn't have asked for a better situation. Quite frankly, 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.480 with the Packers. Yes, they brought in Nate Hobbs as 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.360 a as a big free agent in the offseason, but 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.280 the Packers didn't draft a corner back until the seventh round. 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:55.000 So Kaylan King is going to have an opportunity to 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:58.160 prove that that maybe there's a there's a place for him, 0:10:58.160 --> 0:10:59.880 there's a role for him in this defense, and we'll 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:00.800 just have to wait and see. 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:04.040 And there was three vacated spots, Eric Stokes, Corey Balentine 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:07.480 and then also Robert Rochelle Hill moving on during free agency, 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:11.160 so a ton of opportunity. I look at King a 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:15.040 lot like the next Brenton Cox junior, where I actually 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.239 thought there was a lot to like in his defensive 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.480 performance last year, especially once he moved to the slot. 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.080 He looked natural there. But the problem was is that 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.400 he had a bunch of veteran cornerbacks there that were 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.560 stalwarts on special teams, and he was trying to make 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.439 up that gap because ultimately, you have to be able 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.960 to do it on teams to get your opportunities on defense, 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.720 as Cox had learned last year and a half until 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.560 finally getting that summons mid season last year, where he'd 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:40.240 been a healthy scratch, then he ends up with four 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.240 sacks on the season. I see a lot of that 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.400 same potential on King. Again. Remember this guy was an 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.360 all Big ten type player early on. It's like a 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.200 Colin Oliver situation, right, Like he hit it really hard 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.080 early on, and then his junior happens and there were 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:58.040 some question marks there. But the guy's ability to play 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:00.000 the cornerback position I don't think is ever really bad. 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.480 Question is just trying to find that opportunity. Ainsley's a 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.160 guy much like you know you look at you know, 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:10.520 Jerry Gray before him, obviously Joe Witt junior. These cornerbacks. 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.200 The Packers have gotten a lot out of these late 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:15.559 round picks over the last decade, and I think King 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.400 senses that. I know the motivation was there for him 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.760 watching Carrington Valentine, seeing going from a seventh round pick 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:23.160 to a guy that has now become sort of a 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:27.440 lynchpin there with this defense, very very curious to learn 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.079 more about him, and certainly for Ainsley to go out 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:31.520 of his way. I mean he could have answered that 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:33.320 in a number of different ways, but to mention how 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.560 impressed he's been by him, I think probably says a 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.000 lot to the offseason he's put in up until this point. 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.600 Yeah, and we'll just have to see. Well. Next week, 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.439 the offseason program moves on to OTA's I want to 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.520 get your thoughts on some things there, but I'll take 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:50.640 care of some sponsor business. 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We 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.760 will not have any Packers unscripted shows next week, unfortunately, 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.560 because with the holiday on Monday and just some other 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.480 scheduling things with people involved with the show and what 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.480 notot going on, We're going to take a week off. 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:30.400 You can tell them I'm going golfing, Mic, It's. 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:36.080 Okay, yeah, well, okay, you just told them. So we 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.120 will use the rest of this show to sort of 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.880 preview OTAs and then when we come back after the 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:45.640 week off, which would be the first week of June 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:47.880 where OTAs will still be going on, but then we 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:52.160 will start to recap some of our observations and what 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:55.600 we've seen. Now that being said, we are only going 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:59.360 to get access to one OTA practice per week, and 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:01.880 I feel like I say this every year on the show. 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.720 There will be a lot of coverage of that one 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:10.800 OTA that the media including us, have access to. But 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:15.360 you have to remember that the observations are only one 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:20.560 day during an entire week of OTAs, and so you 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.760 just have to kind of have the right perspective, take 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.120 it with a grain of salt. It doesn't mean that 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.000 you know, these are decisions that have been made and 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:30.720 this is how everything is going to line up for 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:34.800 training camp. But we will observe what we can in 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.320 the time that that we have the access. So my 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:41.080 question for you is what is sort of the first 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:43.360 thing that comes to your mind in terms of a 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.040 storyline for OTAs that you're going to be keeping an 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:47.400 eye on when you get a chance to be on 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:48.080 the sideline. 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.200 Okay, so this is going to be kind of boring 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.040 because this is what everybody does during the off season, 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:57.360 and it's a cliche, it's a narrative of being bigger, stronger, better, faster, 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.800 all that stuff. I can't wait to see Edrin Cooper. 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.400 I know we just talked about the inside linebackers, but 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:04.480 the way that Jeff Hafley kind of propped him up 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:06.880 talking about the changes he's seen in him, I'm curious 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:08.480 to just see him on the field because at the 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.240 end of the day, You're right, there's only so much 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.720 you can surmise from one ota practice non padded Yeah, 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:15.360 it'll be in shells, like you're not going to have 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.960 like these huge collisions, but just seeing that and then also, 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:21.200 let's be honest, a lot of times these non contact, 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:26.720 non padded practices, you look to see how Matthew Golden 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.320 matches up against whomever he's lined up against, you know, 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.440 in eleven on eleven or seven on seven drills, and 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:35.560 seeing how the pace of play and how these guys look. 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.880 I think we are always a victim of the moment 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.880 and drawn conclusions way too fast, and not just fans, 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.960 that's media too. I've done it plenty of times, but 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:47.960 it is always cool when you finally see that first 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:52.080 practice where all the rookies, all the undrafted free agents, 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:54.800 it all starts right there. That's where the story begins, 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.280 now meshing in and blending in with all this returning 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:58.360 talent that Green Bay has. 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:01.400 Yeah, I'm the one of the things that I'm definitely 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:03.880 going to be keeping an eye on. And again, it's 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:05.680 only going to be one day, so we're not going 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.760 to necessarily know what's happening on the other days. But 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:10.520 I want to keep an eye on what's going on 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:14.040 with the offensive line for a couple of reasons. One, 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.720 if Elton Jenkins is still not here as he's trying 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:20.000 to work out some things with his contract and whatnot, 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:22.960 then okay, who's going to be playing center? Who's lined 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.360 up at center with the number one offense? Which will 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.080 give us the indication of who's the number two center? Yeah, 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.640 for the Packers when we get to training camp again, 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.800 this work at this time is all voluntary. I have 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.640 to say that Elton Jenkins is not getting fined or 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.200 anything for not being part of the off season program 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:44.720 right now. But also on the offensive line, I want 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:48.840 to see, Okay, where is Jordan Morgan taking his reps? 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.640 Is he getting most of his snaps at left tackle 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.040 competing with Rashid Walker, or is he getting most of 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.880 his snaps at right guard, competing with Sean Ryan. And 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.040 then along those same lines, where are the Packers going 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.920 to start Anthony Elton. I shouldn't say start as in 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.960 the starting lineup, but where does he beginin his NFL journey, 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:10.240 the second round pick, Anthony Belton? Is he going to 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.560 be playing tackle? Is he going to be playing guard? 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:14.399 Which side of the line is he going to be on? 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.439 You know what? What unit will he be with? So 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.480 those will, those will definitely be things to watch. And again, 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.760 because it's only one day, like the day next week 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.919 that we're out there watching practice, we might see Jordan 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.320 Morgan taking all of his reps at left tackle, and 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:31.760 that's gonna end up being a big story in the media. 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.240 What we don't know is if the very next day, 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.000 when we're not there, if he's taking all of his 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:38.600 reps at right guard and they're and they're moving him around, 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:40.679 and we're not necessarily going to get all of that 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:44.479 information just in in the one day that that we 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:46.680 get to observe. But those will, those will be what 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.880 I'm watching for on the offensive side. On the defensive side, 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:52.520 I'll be curious about a couple of things we just 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.280 talked about Walker and Cooper, you know, side by side. 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:59.720 So what's going on with the with the third line 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:03.000 back or in the supposed base defense even though the 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:07.439 base defense isn't really necessarily a primary position or you know, 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:11.719 a primary package. But with as Isaiah McDuffie back and 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:14.120 Tyron Hopper a third round pick from a year ago 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.600 now entering year two, So what does the competition look 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:20.240 like there? And then with the defensive backfield, with Nate 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:23.000 Hobbs coming in as a free agent, a guy that 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:27.119 can line up in the slot or on the boundary, 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.439 where does where does he line up first? And what 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:34.160 are some of the different alignments that that Jeff Hafley 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:38.040 and Ryan Downer and Derek Ainsley, all the defensive backs coaches, 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:41.040 how do they how do they want to do things? 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.679 If you know, are there times that Hobbs is going 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.800 to be in the slot and so then Nixon and Valley, 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:49.760 Nixon and Valentine are on the outside or is it 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.320 Nixon and Hobbs on the outside and then Bullard is 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:55.520 in the slot? Is Bullard playing deep safety? 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:55.840 Uh? 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:59.520 You know, maybe rotating with Evan Williams alongside Xavier McKinney, 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.720 all kinds of possibilities, and it'll just be interesting to 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.000 see how much kind of mixing and matching is going 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:06.880 on in the limited time that we get to see 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:07.600 the guys out there. 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.040 Very interested to watch because obviously, you know, we'll see 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:13.800 what happens with Jaieira, you know, assuming he's not out 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.600 there Karen to Valentine is a perimeter corner, like that's 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:18.520 where he's hung his hat. But then you also have 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.160 Keishaw Nixon, who's talked about being CB one and showing 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.520 that he can play out there as well. Hobbs played 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.239 inside a lot in Vegas, so maybe you have him 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.000 in that Star Nickel role. All things the Packers coaching 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:32.639 staff have to figure out. I think his intelligence, his experience, 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:34.639 he'll be able to flip however Green Bay wants him to. 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.040 But ultimately the end of the day, the first thing 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:39.120 that popped off in my head when we were talking 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.720 about the offensive line, for example, with Jordan Morgan. We 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:45.000 were watching Morgan work everywhere last year during training camp. 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:48.480 It was tackle, it was guard, and ultimately when he 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:51.399 started the season, it was that six man role that 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:54.720 he was going to be bouncing around through there could 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:56.879 be situations. Again, one thing that Green Bay's kind of 0:19:56.920 --> 0:20:00.600 popularized is hey, we'll work you as the number one 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:02.439 right guard and then when we go to the twos, 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.320 you're going to be the left tackle. Like those are 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.919 options as well, depending on when guys rotate into the 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:08.760 lineup at the end of a drill and then maybe 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.960 going into the next number two period. Be that as 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:15.879 it may. When I've said this comment, I've made this 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:18.320 comment about this being the deepest roster in terms of 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:20.440