1 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined by my 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: partner in crime, Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here 4 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 1: from our studios at Lambeufield. Wes. We finished our last 5 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: show talking about some of the things we heard from 6 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: the offensive assistant coaches when they met with the media, 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: the only time that they will do so during the 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: off season program before we get to training camp. So 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: let's shift gears a little bit and talk about what 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: we heard on the defensive side, and obviously a coach 11 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: that a lot of people are very interested in, defensive 12 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: line coach DeMarcus coving the new hire on the defensive staff. 13 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: He comes from the New England Patriots. He had worked 14 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: his way up from really the bottom position on Bill 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: Belichick's defensive staff all the way up to then becoming 16 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator the year after Belichick is gone when 17 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: Jared Mayo took over as the head coach there in 18 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: New England. And I thought it was interesting hearing because 19 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: I hadn't really thought of this in when we heard 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: about Covington getting hired. The connection there between members of 21 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: the Boston College coaching staff and the New England coaching staff. 22 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: And of course I'm talking about Jeff Halfley when he 23 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: was the head coach at Boston College, where those two 24 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: coaching staffs would invite the other to attend practices and 25 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: just kind of observe and and maybe even sit in 26 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: on meetings and and pick the brains of both sets 27 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: of coaching staffs. And not that there was a super 28 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: close personal relationship or anything developed between Covington and Halflee, 29 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: but there was definitely a respectful professional relationship there about 30 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: how both of them went about their business. And then 31 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: now there's kind of been this match with Covington coming 32 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: to work on Hafley staff. 33 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was very interesting listening not only to Halfley, 34 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: but also Matt Laflor's discuss this a little bit too. 35 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: I mean, just how much Covington impressed this coaching staff 36 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: with his background. I mean, this is a guy that 37 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: was a former wide receiver that starts coaching the defensive 38 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: side of the ball when he's with Bill Belichick in 39 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 2: New England, and next thing you know, he's the defensive 40 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 2: coordinator for the New England Patriots last season. And again, 41 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: a young man that is still relatively spelt, I would 42 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: say coaching a position of three hundred and ten, three 43 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty pound behemoths. Yeah, a very unique thing. 44 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: But to your original point, I think it's the relationships 45 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: you take for granted. We see it all the time. 46 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: There'll be members of the Wisconsin coaching staff. Shoot, great 47 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 2: guard came up last year for a practice that when 48 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: you have those internal relationships where it's Green Bay Packers 49 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: Wisconsin Badgers football, it only makes sense to you know 50 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: occasionally you know, kind of put your heads together on 51 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: some things. And it sounds like that's something Belichick was 52 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 2: really big on when he was out in New England 53 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: and challenging his coaches to learn and to see different 54 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 2: ways to do things. And the other thing I thought 55 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: was really interesting from Covington was him mentioning that he 56 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 2: doesn't think he's ever coached a first round pick before, 57 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: and now he has four of them in the Green 58 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: Bay Packers on the defensive front. So yeah, a very 59 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 2: unique addition. And as Lafleur also talked about, they interviewed 60 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 2: a lot of really high caliber, talented defensive line coaches 61 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: and Covington end up being the one that emerged in 62 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 2: this whole you know, series of interviews, and obviously we're 63 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: getting a small taste for why. 64 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, very interesting for a coach to go from being 65 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: a wide receiver as a player to then making his 66 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: way to the defensive side as a coach. Not unheard 67 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: of by any stretch. 68 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: The least surprising thing out of a Belichick coaching stat 69 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 2: They do that stuff all the time. 70 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, those kinds of things can happen. Another one I 71 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: thought that was interesting to hear from was a new 72 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: linebackers coach, Sean Duggan, and I realized, not just because 73 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: they share a first name, but Sean Duggan is kind 74 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: of like the sewn many of the defensive side, and 75 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: that he was hired a year ago sort of in 76 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: a more general like assistant type of role, but with 77 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: the idea that he would probably be the next in 78 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: line for that certain position group when the time came, 79 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: and to no one's surprise, Anthony Campanelli got snatched up 80 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: for a coordinator job here in the offseason after just 81 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: one year in Green Bay. So Sean Duggan, after one 82 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: year on Jeff Hafley's staff, now has been promoted to 83 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: a position coach, and so he's already got the familiarity 84 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: with a lot of the players and what's going on. 85 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: He obviously has a longer relationship with Isaiah mcduffin, going 86 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: back to Boston College where he coached McDuffie there too. 87 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: But a couple of things I heard from Dougan that 88 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: were interesting. One is that the word that he used 89 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: to describe by Isaiah Simmons when he was asked about 90 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: him is hungry. So that's something to keep an eye 91 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: on because I've felt that, you know, these two free 92 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: agent signings the Packers made, one on each side of 93 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: the ball, Nicole Hardman at wide receiver and returner special teams, 94 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: and then Isaiah Simmons at linebacker, you know, sort of 95 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: hybrid player on defense also maybe on special teams. No 96 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,799 Speaker 1: guarantee either of those players is going to make the roster. 97 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: But when you hear about when you hear about a 98 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: veteran with the time that Isaiah Simmons has put in 99 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: and here he is in the off season program kind 100 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: of going through some of these these basic days of 101 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: the offseason and his position, coach says, I see a 102 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: hungry player. Yep, that's something that catches my attention. And 103 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: then the other was he talked about quay Walker and 104 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: how he felt towards the end of last season that 105 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: quay Walker was was really just starting to feel fully 106 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: comfortable with Jeff Hafley's scheme and what he was being 107 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: asked to do. And obviously Walker had some injuries, and 108 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: when you're missing time and you're trying to learn a 109 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: new system and you're not not always in the lineup 110 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: weekend and week out, that can certainly have an impact. 111 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: But I think there are a lot of a lot 112 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: of arrows pointing up potentially for kway Walker as he 113 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: now moves into year two in this defensive scheme. 114 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to take this in a series kind 115 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 2: of reacting to the three things you brought up. The 116 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 2: first and foremost with Dougan as this as the in 117 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: sidelinebackers coach now thirty two years old. I mean, this 118 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: is kind of the era we're entering now where you're 119 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 2: going to see some of these guys that we're playing 120 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: college football in the twenty tens now becoming position coaches, 121 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: becoming coordinators. And his connection with Halfley goes back six 122 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 2: seven years. Yeah, this is a guy that played at 123 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: BC was working his way up the coaching tree, then 124 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 2: goes and takes a grad assistant job with Ohio State, 125 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: and ever since then he's kind of been attached at 126 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: the hip with Halfley throughout this whole thing. And I 127 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: think a lot of us felt like as soon as 128 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: Anthony Campanelli moved on and got that opportunity in Jacksonville, 129 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: this was the natural progression. And honestly, I think this 130 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 2: is the perfect way to build coaching staffs too, where 131 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: you have these you know, assistants to the assistant so 132 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 2: to speak, like Dougan was, and now he's sitting in 133 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: the captain's chair and has a very talented room that 134 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: he's going to be working with. Isaiah Simmons. I've loved 135 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: this signing from day one, and there was multiple reasons 136 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: for that. One his intangibles. Man, you just don't get 137 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,679 Speaker 2: very many NFL players, you don't get very many NFL 138 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: defenders with his makeup, and yeah, roll the dice on it, 139 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: see what happens. Also, by the way, could potentially be 140 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: a special teams contributor as well. He was the last 141 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: two years for the Giants. But what I really liked 142 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: about the Simmons signing is it was a very mature 143 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: decision from both sides. Simmons came in and did a 144 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: visit with Packers two weeks before the NFL Draft, then 145 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: the NFL Draft happens, Packers don't draft anybody at that position, 146 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: and then Simmons comes in and they sign them. I 147 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: felt like that made sense for both sides, and he'll 148 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: obviously add a lot to that competition. Kway Walker fifth 149 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: year option not exercise. That was a big point of 150 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 2: you know, big topic earlier this month. But I think 151 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: we're going to see the best version of him this year. 152 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 2: I think you're going to see aim motivated Quay not 153 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 2: that he hasn't already been, but I think you're going 154 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: to see a young man that wants to prove to everybody. 155 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: I am the Mike linebacker of this defense. I can 156 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 2: be the face of this defense going forward. We've seen 157 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 2: flashes of it. He has every intangible you want. And 158 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: one of the big things I've been saying, Michael, the 159 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: moment that edgern Cooper proved that he could be an 160 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: every down player for the Packers, the idea of him 161 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: and Quay Walker on the field together it's kind of 162 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: like the the Tucker Craft Luke Muskrave and we want 163 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: to see it it is. 164 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: It's yeah, we have, but we haven't seen it too much. 165 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: And that was I was looking back at last year 166 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: just going over, okay, when Walker was playing, when Cooper 167 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: was playing, because both guys were dealing with injuries and 168 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: they they had their share of time on the field together. 169 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: But there was actually only one game all season last 170 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: year that Kuay Walker and Edrin Cooper were both starters 171 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: on the defense, and it was the playoff game in Philadelphia. 172 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: Crazy doesn't happen until the postseason. So that is definitely 173 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: something and I look at when you look at Walker 174 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: a first round pick and Cooper a second round pick, 175 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: and the athletic makeup of those two guys and there 176 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: and what they could do potentially playing side by side. 177 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: You hope it's one of those things where Cooper can 178 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: help make Walker a better player and vice versa. Walker's 179 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: presence can help make Cooper a better player, and that 180 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: could that could really elevate just that, you know, kind 181 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: of what you call the heart of the defense, the 182 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: core of the defense, with those guys for the most 183 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: part lining up in the middle of the field. One 184 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: other comment I want to reflect on from the defensive 185 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: assistant coaches when we heard from them last week. Derek Ainsley, 186 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: the defensive passing game coordinator, he didn't, you know, wax 187 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: eloquently in any way about this, but he did mention 188 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: that he's been impressed so far what he's seen in 189 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: the offseason program in year two from Kaylin King, seventh 190 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: round draft out of Penn State from a year ago. 191 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 1: And this will be this will just be something that's 192 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 1: interesting to watch because we saw a seventh round draft 193 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: pick at corner a couple of years ago, and Carrington 194 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: Valentine came into his own pretty quickly. The Packers took 195 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: Kaylan King in the seventh round last year. They took 196 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: Michael Robinson in the seventh round this year. If you 197 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: have if if you get the right guys like that 198 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: late in the draft and they get the right opportunity 199 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: and and everything with the coaching and all that meshes together, 200 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 1: you really have the opportunity to develop players that can 201 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: help you. And I think I mean Kayle and kayl 202 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: and King couldn't have asked for a better situation. Quite frankly, 203 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: with the Packers. Yes, they brought in Nate Hobbs as 204 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: a as a big free agent in the offseason, but 205 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: the Packers didn't draft a corner back until the seventh round. 206 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: So Kaylan King is going to have an opportunity to 207 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: prove that that maybe there's a there's a place for him, 208 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: there's a role for him in this defense, and we'll 209 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: just have to wait and see. 210 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: And there was three vacated spots, Eric Stokes, Corey Balentine 211 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: and then also Robert Rochelle Hill moving on during free agency, 212 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 2: so a ton of opportunity. I look at King a 213 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: lot like the next Brenton Cox junior, where I actually 214 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,239 Speaker 2: thought there was a lot to like in his defensive 215 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 2: performance last year, especially once he moved to the slot. 216 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 2: He looked natural there. But the problem was is that 217 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: he had a bunch of veteran cornerbacks there that were 218 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 2: stalwarts on special teams, and he was trying to make 219 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 2: up that gap because ultimately, you have to be able 220 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 2: to do it on teams to get your opportunities on defense, 221 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 2: as Cox had learned last year and a half until 222 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 2: finally getting that summons mid season last year, where he'd 223 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: been a healthy scratch, then he ends up with four 224 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 2: sacks on the season. I see a lot of that 225 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: same potential on King. Again. Remember this guy was an 226 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: all Big ten type player early on. It's like a 227 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 2: Colin Oliver situation, right, Like he hit it really hard 228 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 2: early on, and then his junior happens and there were 229 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 2: some question marks there. But the guy's ability to play 230 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: the cornerback position I don't think is ever really bad. 231 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 2: Question is just trying to find that opportunity. Ainsley's a 232 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 2: guy much like you know you look at you know, 233 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: Jerry Gray before him, obviously Joe Witt junior. These cornerbacks. 234 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 2: The Packers have gotten a lot out of these late 235 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 2: round picks over the last decade, and I think King 236 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: senses that. I know the motivation was there for him 237 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: watching Carrington Valentine, seeing going from a seventh round pick 238 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: to a guy that has now become sort of a 239 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 2: lynchpin there with this defense, very very curious to learn 240 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 2: more about him, and certainly for Ainsley to go out 241 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 2: of his way. I mean he could have answered that 242 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 2: in a number of different ways, but to mention how 243 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 2: impressed he's been by him, I think probably says a 244 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: lot to the offseason he's put in up until this point. 245 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll just have to see. Well. Next week, 246 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: the offseason program moves on to OTA's I want to 247 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: get your thoughts on some things there, but I'll take 248 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: care of some sponsor business. For serious XMNFL Radio delivers 249 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: hard hitting analysis and up to the minute NFL news 250 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: that drew football fanatics need twenty four to seven, three 251 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: sixty five. And at Cousin Subbs, we have something for everyone. 252 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: Our Wisconsin cheese curds, mac and cheese, golden fries, and 253 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: creamy shakes, all paired with your favorite sub or sub 254 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: in a bowl. Cousin Subs fifty plus years of better. 255 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: All right, next week, First, a little housekeeping item. We 256 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: will not have any Packers unscripted shows next week, unfortunately, 257 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: because with the holiday on Monday and just some other 258 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: scheduling things with people involved with the show and what 259 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: notot going on, We're going to take a week off. 260 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: You can tell them I'm going golfing, Mic, It's. 261 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well, okay, you just told them. So we 262 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: will use the rest of this show to sort of 263 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: preview OTAs and then when we come back after the 264 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: week off, which would be the first week of June 265 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: where OTAs will still be going on, but then we 266 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: will start to recap some of our observations and what 267 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: we've seen. Now that being said, we are only going 268 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: to get access to one OTA practice per week, and 269 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: I feel like I say this every year on the show. 270 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: There will be a lot of coverage of that one 271 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: OTA that the media including us, have access to. But 272 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: you have to remember that the observations are only one 273 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: day during an entire week of OTAs, and so you 274 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: just have to kind of have the right perspective, take 275 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: it with a grain of salt. It doesn't mean that 276 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: you know, these are decisions that have been made and 277 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: this is how everything is going to line up for 278 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: training camp. But we will observe what we can in 279 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: the time that that we have the access. So my 280 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: question for you is what is sort of the first 281 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: thing that comes to your mind in terms of a 282 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: storyline for OTAs that you're going to be keeping an 283 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: eye on when you get a chance to be on 284 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: the sideline. 285 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 2: Okay, so this is going to be kind of boring 286 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: because this is what everybody does during the off season, 287 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: and it's a cliche, it's a narrative of being bigger, stronger, better, faster, 288 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: all that stuff. I can't wait to see Edrin Cooper. 289 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: I know we just talked about the inside linebackers, but 290 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 2: the way that Jeff Hafley kind of propped him up 291 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 2: talking about the changes he's seen in him, I'm curious 292 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: to just see him on the field because at the 293 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: end of the day, You're right, there's only so much 294 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: you can surmise from one ota practice non padded Yeah, 295 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 2: it'll be in shells, like you're not going to have 296 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: like these huge collisions, but just seeing that and then also, 297 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: let's be honest, a lot of times these non contact, 298 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: non padded practices, you look to see how Matthew Golden 299 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: matches up against whomever he's lined up against, you know, 300 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: in eleven on eleven or seven on seven drills, and 301 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: seeing how the pace of play and how these guys look. 302 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: I think we are always a victim of the moment 303 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 2: and drawn conclusions way too fast, and not just fans, 304 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 2: that's media too. I've done it plenty of times, but 305 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: it is always cool when you finally see that first 306 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: practice where all the rookies, all the undrafted free agents, 307 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 2: it all starts right there. That's where the story begins, 308 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 2: now meshing in and blending in with all this returning 309 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: talent that Green Bay has. 310 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the one of the things that I'm definitely 311 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: going to be keeping an eye on. And again, it's 312 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: only going to be one day, so we're not going 313 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: to necessarily know what's happening on the other days. But 314 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: I want to keep an eye on what's going on 315 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: with the offensive line for a couple of reasons. One, 316 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: if Elton Jenkins is still not here as he's trying 317 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: to work out some things with his contract and whatnot, 318 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: then okay, who's going to be playing center? Who's lined 319 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: up at center with the number one offense? Which will 320 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: give us the indication of who's the number two center? Yeah, 321 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: for the Packers when we get to training camp again, 322 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: this work at this time is all voluntary. I have 323 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: to say that Elton Jenkins is not getting fined or 324 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: anything for not being part of the off season program 325 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: right now. But also on the offensive line, I want 326 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: to see, Okay, where is Jordan Morgan taking his reps? 327 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: Is he getting most of his snaps at left tackle 328 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: competing with Rashid Walker, or is he getting most of 329 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: his snaps at right guard, competing with Sean Ryan. And 330 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: then along those same lines, where are the Packers going 331 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: to start Anthony Elton. I shouldn't say start as in 332 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: the starting lineup, but where does he beginin his NFL journey, 333 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: the second round pick, Anthony Belton? Is he going to 334 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: be playing tackle? Is he going to be playing guard? 335 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: Which side of the line is he going to be on? 336 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: You know what? What unit will he be with? So 337 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: those will, those will definitely be things to watch. And again, 338 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: because it's only one day, like the day next week 339 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: that we're out there watching practice, we might see Jordan 340 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: Morgan taking all of his reps at left tackle, and 341 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: that's gonna end up being a big story in the media. 342 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: What we don't know is if the very next day, 343 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: when we're not there, if he's taking all of his 344 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: reps at right guard and they're and they're moving him around, 345 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: and we're not necessarily going to get all of that 346 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,479 Speaker 1: information just in in the one day that that we 347 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: get to observe. But those will, those will be what 348 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: I'm watching for on the offensive side. On the defensive side, 349 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: I'll be curious about a couple of things we just 350 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: talked about Walker and Cooper, you know, side by side. 351 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: So what's going on with the with the third line 352 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: back or in the supposed base defense even though the 353 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 1: base defense isn't really necessarily a primary position or you know, 354 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,719 Speaker 1: a primary package. But with as Isaiah McDuffie back and 355 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: Tyron Hopper a third round pick from a year ago 356 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: now entering year two, So what does the competition look 357 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: like there? And then with the defensive backfield, with Nate 358 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: Hobbs coming in as a free agent, a guy that 359 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: can line up in the slot or on the boundary, 360 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: where does where does he line up first? And what 361 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: are some of the different alignments that that Jeff Hafley 362 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: and Ryan Downer and Derek Ainsley, all the defensive backs coaches, 363 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: how do they how do they want to do things? 364 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: If you know, are there times that Hobbs is going 365 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: to be in the slot and so then Nixon and Valley, 366 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: Nixon and Valentine are on the outside or is it 367 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: Nixon and Hobbs on the outside and then Bullard is 368 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: in the slot? Is Bullard playing deep safety? 369 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 2: Uh? 370 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: You know, maybe rotating with Evan Williams alongside Xavier McKinney, 371 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: all kinds of possibilities, and it'll just be interesting to 372 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: see how much kind of mixing and matching is going 373 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: on in the limited time that we get to see 374 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: the guys out there. 375 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 2: Very interested to watch because obviously, you know, we'll see 376 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 2: what happens with Jaieira, you know, assuming he's not out 377 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: there Karen to Valentine is a perimeter corner, like that's 378 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 2: where he's hung his hat. But then you also have 379 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 2: Keishaw Nixon, who's talked about being CB one and showing 380 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 2: that he can play out there as well. Hobbs played 381 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,239 Speaker 2: inside a lot in Vegas, so maybe you have him 382 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 2: in that Star Nickel role. All things the Packers coaching 383 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 2: staff have to figure out. I think his intelligence, his experience, 384 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 2: he'll be able to flip however Green Bay wants him to. 385 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: But ultimately the end of the day, the first thing 386 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 2: that popped off in my head when we were talking 387 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 2: about the offensive line, for example, with Jordan Morgan. We 388 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: were watching Morgan work everywhere last year during training camp. 389 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: It was tackle, it was guard, and ultimately when he 390 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 2: started the season, it was that six man role that 391 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 2: he was going to be bouncing around through there could 392 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 2: be situations. Again, one thing that Green Bay's kind of 393 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: popularized is hey, we'll work you as the number one 394 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 2: right guard and then when we go to the twos, 395 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: you're going to be the left tackle. Like those are 396 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 2: options as well, depending on when guys rotate into the 397 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 2: lineup at the end of a drill and then maybe 398 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 2: going into the next number two period. Be that as 399 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 2: it may. When I've said this comment, I've made this 400 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: comment about this being the deepest roster in terms of 401 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 2: positions in my time covering the team. That's what I'm 402 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 2: talking about, because there was a time, Mike where you 403 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 2: just kind of knew that this is what the alignment 404 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: was going to look like. And I don't want to 405 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: throw anybody under the bus and name names and say, 406 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 2: but it was like, Okay, well, you know the player 407 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: acts is going to be here, and that's just the 408 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 2: way it's going to be. I remember my first few 409 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: years in the Beat, in the off season program, that's 410 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 2: a lot of times how it was, well, now, there's 411 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: a lot of different scenarios that could happen next week 412 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 2: and that mini camp in two weeks after that that 413 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 2: wouldn't surprise me at all. Depending on how the Packers 414 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 2: want to allocate these resources. That is probably the part 415 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 2: of it that is the most interesting to watch. And 416 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: then also it is going to be finding out exactly 417 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: who shines. There is only so much you can learn. 418 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 2: But Mike and I have had this conversation numerous times. 419 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 2: It was that training camp, or I should say that 420 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 2: OTAs in twenty twenty two where Jordan Love had one 421 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: whale of a day. Yeah, And that was the time. 422 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: Around front of everybody. 423 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 2: It was in front everybody because Aaron Rodgers wasn't here, Yeah, 424 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 2: and I was like, Holy Kyle, like this kid looks different. 425 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 2: And then obviously Rogers ended up coming back. But that 426 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 2: was the first moment where I was watching. I mean, 427 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 2: he was just dicing up the defense. In eleven on 428 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 2: eleven's just cutting up guys with the receivers, Juwan Winfrey 429 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 2: had one of the best practices I think I've ever 430 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: seen from a Packers' receiver, with a lot of the 431 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: other whiteouts not there. So that is where I feel 432 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: like seeing it doesn't absolutely have to be Love. It 433 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: could be anybody seeing guys who really step out and impress. 434 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 2: It's one practice and there's many that we're missing, but 435 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 2: it's still noticeable. 436 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I like what you said too about about 437 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: the depth of this team at various positions and what 438 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 1: I want to follow up with on that is and 439 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: maybe we'll be able to figure out when the decisions 440 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: are made at the end of training camp and how 441 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: this fifty three man roster takes shape. And we are 442 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: a long way away from that, and there will certainly 443 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: be some other factors injuries and whatnot that will that 444 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 1: will contribute to sorting out the fifty three. But I 445 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: feel like with the way this current ninety man roster 446 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: has been built by Brian Gutekunstan the personnel staff, that 447 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: when it comes time to deciding on the fifty three, 448 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: that this year the Packers may be releasing more players 449 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: who have been on fifty threes, whether in Green Bay 450 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: or elsewhere. More guys who who have played in the 451 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: NFL and been on fifty threes are going to be released. 452 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: Because of the depth on this ninety man roster and 453 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: the way this one has been built. There are guys, 454 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: there are guys who are on Green Bay's fifty three 455 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: last year who are not going to make the team 456 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 1: this year. And I mentioned there are a couple of 457 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: guys who have played for other teams who have been 458 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: brought in as free agents who are not locks to 459 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: make this roster and there will be some decisions to 460 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: be made there. I think the Packers are going to 461 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: be potentially be releasing experienced players, and I'm not talking 462 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: about the long time vets necessarily, but guys that are 463 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: going to probably end up on the practice squad and 464 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: still trying to fight their way back because that spot 465 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: on the fifty three might not be there for them 466 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: this year. And that's a good position to be, and 467 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: you want to be releasing good football players. You don't 468 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: want the final decisions at cut down time to be easy. 469 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: If they're easy, then the personnel department kind of feels 470 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: like they didn't really do their job. They didn't make 471 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: it tough. They didn't make it tough on themselves and 472 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: tough on the coaches to decide who should be on 473 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,479 Speaker 1: the team. We may be headed for something like that 474 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: come early September when we get to the end of 475 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: training camp, but we'll just have to see. 476 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 2: It has never been a better space to be in 477 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: those positions either, because yes, occasionally you're going to lose 478 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: some guys. Last year, the Packers lost Grant to Bow's 479 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 2: Christian Welch, who's now back, ended up leaving and Gring 480 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: to Denver. But then you have the sixteen man practice 481 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 2: squad and the flexibility to bring guys up from that, 482 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 2: and the flexibility to potentially develop you know, some guys, 483 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 2: some rookies, some draft picks that maybe you won't be 484 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 2: ready day one. You're rashid Walker's of the world that 485 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: kind of hold down one of those inactive spots. So 486 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 2: they're not on the practice squad, but they're not really 487 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 2: playing in the games either. 488 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: They don't want to expose them to waivers. Well, but 489 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: you're probably going to lose them yet get claimed and 490 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: then off he goes. 491 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 2: There's so many different ways you can work this thing now, 492 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 2: and I think for Green Bay being able to be 493 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 2: in that position when you have let me put it 494 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: this way. You could go young and you could draft 495 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: all these players, you could acquire all this talent, and 496 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 2: you can miss on a bunch of them, and you're 497 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 2: still sitting there in the same spot of like, Okay, well, 498 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: how do we build a forty eight? How do we 499 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 2: build a fifty three? Green Bay being as productive as 500 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 2: they've been in the twenty two to twenty three, twenty 501 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 2: four drafts. Is what has set up this position that 502 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: they're in right now and what does that do? Yes, 503 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 2: it keeps you competitive on the field, that it keeps 504 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 2: you chasing a championship this year, but it also making 505 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 2: sure the guys that do get second contracts are going 506 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 2: to be really, really good football players. So a very 507 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 2: interesting year awaits scree bit Packers, but certainly on field 508 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 2: in terms of the analysis, maybe even you want to 509 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 2: call it the overthinking on the media side of things. 510 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 2: That all starts next week with organized team activities. 511 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it absolutely does, and with that we will call 512 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be 513 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: sure to follow all of our coverage of the team, 514 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: and even though we won't be here on Packers Unscripted 515 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: next week, we will have coverage of OTAs with that 516 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: day that is open to the media. We will have 517 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: it all for you on Packers dot com for wes 518 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: Im Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody, and we 519 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: will see you next time.