WEBVTT - Voting as Harm Reduction

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, peeps, and welcome to OKF Daily with Me

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<v Speaker 1>your Girl, Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks.

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<v Speaker 1>Last month, I had the great pleasure to join LGBTQ

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<v Speaker 1>people from across the country at the National Task Force

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<v Speaker 1>Creating Change Conference in New Orleans. And the National LGBTQ

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<v Speaker 1>Task Force works on a myriad of issues to bring

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<v Speaker 1>equity injustice to the LGBTQ community, and at the Creating

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<v Speaker 1>Change Conference, I sat on panels with queer gen zers

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<v Speaker 1>that are working in states like Florida in order to

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<v Speaker 1>overturn some of DeSantis' most draconian policies that target trans youth,

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<v Speaker 1>with everyone from religious figures to grassroots activists to transactivists

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<v Speaker 1>in battleground states to get a sense of what does

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<v Speaker 1>fighting look like on the ground. Oftentimes we hear and

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<v Speaker 1>see the headlines, but we don't really know who are

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<v Speaker 1>those people that are staying in these states that are

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<v Speaker 1>fighting right while the rest of us kind of move on.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the LGBTQ Task Force has launched their Queer

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<v Speaker 1>the Vote campaign leading up to the twenty twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>election to get as many queer Americans registered to vote

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<v Speaker 1>involved in our electoral politics and have used their advocacy

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<v Speaker 1>lens to educate as many people as possible about their

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<v Speaker 1>power and to utilize the collective power of the queer

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<v Speaker 1>or vote. So in a fantastic series over the next

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks, you will be hearing from some of

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<v Speaker 1>the activists that I spoke to on the ground in

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<v Speaker 1>our Queer the Vote series that we're going to run

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<v Speaker 1>over the next couple of weeks, and you'll be hearing

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<v Speaker 1>from folks in battleground states about what is at stake,

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<v Speaker 1>what they need support in in order to get the

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<v Speaker 1>job done, and the job done being that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't turn America into a fascistic authoritarian dictatorship because

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<v Speaker 1>we are apathetic, or because we are tired, or because

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<v Speaker 1>you know Biden is not perfect, and trust me, he

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<v Speaker 1>is fucking not. But at the end of the day, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>I know what is at stake, and it's either we

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<v Speaker 1>vote for democracy or we vote for fascism. I will

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<v Speaker 1>keep saying it until the election is done and democracy

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<v Speaker 1>still stands. That we are not voting for a per

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<v Speaker 1>We are voting for our freedoms to continue. In that

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<v Speaker 1>some elections are just about holding on. So coming up

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<v Speaker 1>next is my conversation with Jen Scott from Equality Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about what is happening in that battleground state

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<v Speaker 1>and how Equality Ohio is going up against some of

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<v Speaker 1>the most egregious policies directed specifically at trans youth and

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<v Speaker 1>the LGBTQ community folks. I am so excited to be

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<v Speaker 1>joined on WOKF Daily by Jen Scott, who is a

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<v Speaker 1>statewide field director at Equality Ohio, an LGBTQ organization that

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<v Speaker 1>is working to advance equity and justice for folks in

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<v Speaker 1>the state of Ohio. Jen, we're right now at Creating Change.

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<v Speaker 1>The Creating Change LGBTQ task Force puts on this conference

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<v Speaker 1>every year, and this is a big year. It's twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, and you know, we are ten months away

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<v Speaker 1>from the most consequential election of our time. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to get a sense from you, what is the vibe

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground in Ohio. How are you feeling? How

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<v Speaker 1>is a quality Ohio feeling and dealing with this increasingly

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<v Speaker 1>fractious hardisan you know, divide that we're experiencing right now.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great question and it's changing daily. The landscape

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<v Speaker 2>has shifted over the last six months last year, the

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<v Speaker 2>Reproductive Rights Coalition put together a ballot issue to protect

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<v Speaker 2>reproductive rights after the fall of Dobs. So there's a

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<v Speaker 2>petition statewide to add constitutional protection for reproductive rights, and

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<v Speaker 2>there was pushback. Prior to this, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>looked at Ohio as a solidly read state.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>This campaign really energized the base to come out and

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<v Speaker 2>say we want bodily autonomy, we want to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to control our healthcare choices. Opposition was concerned that this

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<v Speaker 2>was actually going to pass, so in August they held

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<v Speaker 2>a special election to change the threshold for the constitutional

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<v Speaker 2>amendment that was going to be going in November. So

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<v Speaker 2>they tried to make it more difficult for the November

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<v Speaker 2>ballot issue for reproductive rights to pass. They spent twenty

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars on this special election with only one question

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<v Speaker 2>on it, hoping to change it make it more difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>Ohioans came out and voted and voted no on that issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Then in November they voted yes to reproductive rights. So

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<v Speaker 2>that has changed the landscape in Ohio from a view

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<v Speaker 2>of solidly read to oh people care about bodily autonomy

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<v Speaker 2>and reproductive rights, and now we're seeing the attack on

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<v Speaker 2>LGBTQ you escalate even more than what we were already

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<v Speaker 2>seeing it. Late last year, they the state legislature worked

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<v Speaker 2>on HB sixty eight, which would ban gender affirming care

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<v Speaker 2>for youth. They added on to that banning trans youth

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<v Speaker 2>from participating in sports, and we were hoping to delay this.

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio has a two year general Assembly, so anything they

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<v Speaker 2>introduced in twenty twenty three is still active through the

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<v Speaker 2>end of this year. So sometimes during the mid year

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<v Speaker 2>they don't pass things. But they actively worked to get

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<v Speaker 2>this pushed through after they saw the election results because

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<v Speaker 2>they saw reproductive rights as a loss for them, so

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<v Speaker 2>they came back and said, oh, we need to get

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<v Speaker 2>something done that shows that we're making progress for them.

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<v Speaker 1>So progress for the progress for everybody else.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, bad phrasing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, but it's true for them, that is progress.

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<v Speaker 1>Right to be able to rescind rights and protections and

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<v Speaker 1>make a target, particularly of the trans community, which I

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<v Speaker 1>want you to be able to dig into and say,

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<v Speaker 1>look at what we're doing. Right, look at what we're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>because I feel like what we see with these states,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it is Ohio, Texas, Florida, Louisiana where we currently

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<v Speaker 1>are Alabama, is that the Republican Party is using states

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<v Speaker 1>as their patriot dish. Let us test out how far

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<v Speaker 1>we can go in terms of abusing this community before

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<v Speaker 1>anybody does anything about it, before there is any type

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<v Speaker 1>of collective pushback. And do you think now, because of

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<v Speaker 1>the loss for them in November on the ballot, that

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<v Speaker 1>they were going to double down even harder with the

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<v Speaker 1>LGBTQ community.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what we're seeing. So they pushed through the HB

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<v Speaker 2>six the past in both chambers, it went to the

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<v Speaker 2>Governor's desk. Governor DeWine vetoed it and sent it back

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<v Speaker 2>to the legislature. They're currently as we're recording this, the

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<v Speaker 2>House has already voted to override his veto. The Senate

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be hearing it later today. My coworkers

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<v Speaker 2>are working on that it is likely to be overridden

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<v Speaker 2>and go into law. In addition to that, an unexpected

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<v Speaker 2>to us when we came back very start of January

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four, Governor Dwine issued new rules for agencies

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<v Speaker 2>when it came to healthcare, and they're still analyzing. Experts

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<v Speaker 2>are still analyzing what these rule changes will mean because

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<v Speaker 2>of the way the wording is. It's similar to what

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<v Speaker 2>we're seeing across the country. Very vague, very broad wording

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<v Speaker 2>that's not well thought out. Even if they are trying

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<v Speaker 2>to accomplish something that would be helpful for people, they're

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<v Speaker 2>not because the wording is so vague, and it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to affect potentially trans adults in addition to trans youth

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<v Speaker 2>and could have broader implications. The more medical experts look

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<v Speaker 2>at this, and more specifically their lawyers look at this,

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<v Speaker 2>it could affect others in the community as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, when you say that the legislation could affect trans adults,

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<v Speaker 1>are we talking about access to hormones? Are we talking

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<v Speaker 1>about access to care? Can you just dig in for

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<v Speaker 1>us a little bit?

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<v Speaker 2>Potentially? Some of the rules specify the eighteen to twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one year range and are focusing on pediatric hospitals because

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<v Speaker 2>they serve the populations up to twenty one. It's very

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<v Speaker 2>similar to the trap laws we saw with reproductive rights,

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<v Speaker 2>where they weren't officially cutting off access, but they were

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<v Speaker 2>making it more and more difficult to get access. And

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<v Speaker 2>some of the rules require multiple medical professionals and professions

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<v Speaker 2>that are in limited availability we already might We already

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<v Speaker 2>know there's problems accessing healthcare in general right, let alone

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<v Speaker 2>for the trans community without the addition of these roles.

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<v Speaker 1>When you look at the success that abortion had in

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<v Speaker 1>November of twenty twenty three, are there any of the

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<v Speaker 1>same tactics that can be used as it pertains to

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<v Speaker 1>LGBTQ rights or do you find that abortion was more

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<v Speaker 1>of an issue that more people could coalesce around whereas

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<v Speaker 1>the right Do you feel like are they more successful

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of demonizing the community so that there are

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<v Speaker 1>less people to come out in support of.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great question. Higowans have made it clear that

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<v Speaker 2>they want bodily autonomy. They want to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>decide their healthcare choices. Abortion we've been talking about for decades.

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<v Speaker 2>People are more familiar with it, people have been are

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<v Speaker 2>more comfortable now having conversations with their family about their

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<v Speaker 2>healthcare choices. Trans issues are more recent in conversation. It's

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<v Speaker 2>become less it's become easier to talk about because we're taught.

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<v Speaker 2>We're enabling our community to talk about it, and we've

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<v Speaker 2>had a number of amazing activists and advocates come out

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<v Speaker 2>and to share their stories so we're hoping that that

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<v Speaker 2>folks are more comfortable talking about this issue. Part of

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<v Speaker 2>the role we play at a quality of how it

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<v Speaker 2>is educating the community, the larger public community as well

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<v Speaker 2>as members of the LGBTQ plus community that don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>understand trans care and what that means and the importance

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<v Speaker 2>of it. That's part of our work we need to

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<v Speaker 2>do this year is get that information out there, get

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<v Speaker 2>the stories out there for people that are willing to share,

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<v Speaker 2>feel comfortable sharing, feel safe sharing in an environment like Ohio,

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<v Speaker 2>and explaining what it actually is and what it is not.

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<v Speaker 2>Legislators and politicians are very good at demonizing, stigmatizing, giving

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<v Speaker 2>that quick, short sound bite that sounds great on you know, newscasts,

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<v Speaker 2>but really is based in misinformation, based in fear, and

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't address in any way medical or science based information.

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<v Speaker 1>The funny thing is is that I feel the same

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<v Speaker 1>way that Women's March and different advocacy groups for pregnant people,

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<v Speaker 1>for people with uteruses being able to say you're a politician,

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<v Speaker 1>not a doctor. I don't want you in my uterus,

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<v Speaker 1>want you in my bedroom. I don't want you making decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I wonder do you feel like, obviously your

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<v Speaker 1>job at Equality of Ohio is to educate the public.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm like, do they need to be educated on

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<v Speaker 1>anything other than dignity, on anything other than respect? Like

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<v Speaker 1>why should the onus? I guess is my thinking be

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<v Speaker 1>on trans people in the same way to be on

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<v Speaker 1>people with uteruses? To walk you through my trauma? Shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>it be enough that I've made a decision about my life,

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<v Speaker 1>about my body and I want it to be respected,

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<v Speaker 1>Like shouldn't that be the education that we're doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? And I wish we lived in that world.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about that personal connection when you're sharing stories. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is a great place for SIS allies to

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<v Speaker 2>stand up and have these conversations with people, and you

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<v Speaker 2>could share your own story, your own journey of being

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<v Speaker 2>a SIS person that really didn't think about trans issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Are never really thought about your gender identity until you

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<v Speaker 2>started learning more. Until people relate to that personal issue,

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<v Speaker 2>Until some people relate to that personal story and see

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<v Speaker 2>how it affects a real human, they don't get it, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're just listening to the sound bites or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's also apathy. A lot of voters aren't paying attention

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<v Speaker 2>to this issue because they care about jobs or the economy,

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, many of other things that are going

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<v Speaker 2>on and are voting that way, not seeing the harm

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<v Speaker 2>that's being done or the potential harm. Like they're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to stop at LGBTQ issues, And this issue affects

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<v Speaker 2>all of us, Like we all want control of our bodies.

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<v Speaker 2>We all want to make medical decisions with our providers

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<v Speaker 2>and our family depending on what the situation is. Those

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<v Speaker 2>are all personal choices, and all these politicians want to

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<v Speaker 2>make their own personal choices too. You would think that

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<v Speaker 2>would just be, oh, okay, that's your choice. We also

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<v Speaker 2>have an Ohio a law that passed was snuck into

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<v Speaker 2>the budget that is a medical conscious bill that allows

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<v Speaker 2>health care providers anyone from the person's scheduling, your appointment

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<v Speaker 2>to the doctor, to deny service based on their religious beliefs,

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<v Speaker 2>their ethical beliefs, philosophical beliefs.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just like, Jen, you say this to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm just like it's so fucking absurd because I'm like, then,

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<v Speaker 1>become a clergyman, do you know what I'm saying? Don't

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<v Speaker 1>be a doctor, don't work at a pharmacy don't work

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<v Speaker 1>in general population. If your quote unquote religious moral and

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<v Speaker 1>morals and I use deep quotation marks with that are

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<v Speaker 1>preventing you from providing services to people through the lens

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<v Speaker 1>of dignity and respect, then you're in the world profession right.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just it makes me crazy because I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we on the left, or just we on earth one,

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<v Speaker 1>as I like to say, I feel like we give

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<v Speaker 1>too we seed too much ground to these people, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're always in a defensive posture of see me as

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<v Speaker 1>a human, give me my dignity, all of these things.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just wondering, in your mind, is there a

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<v Speaker 1>pivot that we need to make. I know the power

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<v Speaker 1>of stories, I do it for a living, But I'm wondering,

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<v Speaker 1>is there a pivot that we need to make where

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<v Speaker 1>if you can't provide birth control, if you can't provide

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<v Speaker 1>hormones over the counter to a patient, to a customer,

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<v Speaker 1>then maybe you're in the wrong profession.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree. And many of these associations and organizations that

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<v Speaker 2>you know provide accreditation have rules around this, and they

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<v Speaker 2>were already in place. There was no reason for the

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<v Speaker 2>state legislature to put this in place. Or other states

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<v Speaker 2>that are considering similar actions. And yes, if you're not

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<v Speaker 2>willing to help people and meet their needs, why are

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<v Speaker 2>you in healthcare? Or we could also say if you're

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<v Speaker 2>not willing to represent the people running right, like?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that I mean basic baseline, right, Like, you're not

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<v Speaker 1>just ranting to represent a certain constituency. You're running to

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<v Speaker 1>represent the district, the county, the school district, the state

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<v Speaker 1>that you are are running to represent, which is inclusive

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<v Speaker 1>of everyone that is there. My question for you as

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<v Speaker 1>we're wrapping up, too, is what is a quality Ohio?

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<v Speaker 1>What does a quality Ohio need from people in order

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<v Speaker 1>to get the word out, to get the message spread

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground in Ohio about what is at stake

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a nice easy question, Go ahead. There's a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>It really matters who the decision makers are. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people are disillusioned by our election system, right and

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<v Speaker 2>I completely agree with them. Voting is not going to

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<v Speaker 2>solve everything, yep, right now, voting is harm prevention. We

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<v Speaker 2>need to get the less bad individual in place.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to steal that because here's the thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't you know where again, we're here at creating

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<v Speaker 1>change at the LGBTQ Test Force conference in New Orleans,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of young people and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people of color are telling me that I'm not voting

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<v Speaker 1>for Biden or I'm not voting in this election because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm tired of picking the best of two evils. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>tired of not being able to vote my values. And

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<v Speaker 1>I hear them, Jen, and I understand the pain, the frustration.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been doing this work in and around movement for

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<v Speaker 1>close to two decades. What do you say to those

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<v Speaker 1>people who right now on social media, ten months out,

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<v Speaker 1>who some may be walking around this conference that are

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<v Speaker 1>just like, I'm going to throw out my hands for

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<v Speaker 1>this one. I'm going to kiss this one up to God,

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<v Speaker 1>the universe of whomever.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you say? I say that making real long

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<v Speaker 2>term change takes coalition work. We need to support each

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<v Speaker 2>other across the intersections of our concerns and our identities.

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<v Speaker 2>There are three hundred and sixty six days this year,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's a leapier two of those days, I need

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<v Speaker 2>you to show up. I need you to go to

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<v Speaker 2>your primary, and I need you to go to the

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<v Speaker 2>general election. I need you to make a choice. The

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<v Speaker 2>less bad choice, good choice, depending on your candidates. Make

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<v Speaker 2>sure you vote down ballot too. Because state elections are important,

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<v Speaker 2>local elections are important, school boards are important. We're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>more attacks at the school board level. Show up the

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<v Speaker 2>other days of the year. If you want to do

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<v Speaker 2>other things to be an advocate in your area, whether

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<v Speaker 2>that's sharing stories, learning, educating yourself, running for office, being

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<v Speaker 2>a staffer, providing information, or just supporting your community or

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<v Speaker 2>supporting other activists. Some of the most amazing people I

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<v Speaker 2>know that are supporting the work are just babysitting kids

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<v Speaker 2>of other folks that are out there, you know, running

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<v Speaker 2>protests or running mutual aid campaigns, or small nonprofits that

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<v Speaker 2>are doing amazing work. All of us every day can

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<v Speaker 2>do small things to make a change, and it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to take all of us doing that to move the

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<v Speaker 2>country forward in a way that is better for all

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<v Speaker 2>of us. Because one of the thing is our site.

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<v Speaker 2>We care about everyone on our side. We want to

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<v Speaker 2>protect the people that are actively supporting us, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>also not trying to cause harm to others.

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<v Speaker 1>Please tell people how they can get involved with Equality Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>where they can sign up, volunteer, donate. If there don't

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<v Speaker 1>live in this state and they have the means to

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<v Speaker 1>do so.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure. We have a website at Qualityohio dot org. We're

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<v Speaker 2>also on Facebook and TikTok.

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<v Speaker 1>Brilliant Jen, thank you so much for making the time

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<v Speaker 1>to Joan wokf really really appreciate you. Appreciate Equality Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate all of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Work that you are doing. Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>That is it for me today. Dear friends on wokay

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<v Speaker 1>f as always, power to the people and to all

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<v Speaker 1>the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.