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Speaker 1: You know, from a coaching standpoint is I could never

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to the O G's Podcast with the

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Speaker 2: original O g u D. Happy to be here with

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Speaker 2: He's a two time n c W A national champion,

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Speaker 2: doing this And guess what, he's about to get his

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: Like a lot of this stuff is, we've been able

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Speaker 2: to tell stories even off but as we get into this,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be a lot of fun just kind of

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Speaker 2: talking about where we're at and where we came from.

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Speaker 2: But you know, that team that we put together in

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Speaker 2: at University of Florida, you took something that was to

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Speaker 2: me when I came down here. I never even thought

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Speaker 2: Florida could get to where it was. Never in a

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Speaker 2: million years I thought of be where it's at now,

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Speaker 2: and you started that. I mean, obviously there's a lot

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Speaker 2: able to play for you, man, and I think we're

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, I love both of you to death, and

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Speaker 1: you know it's crazy thinking it back. You know that long,

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Speaker 1: I never forget it. We Anthony Grant obviously strong tie

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Speaker 1: Shaky Rodriguez, and Brent Wright was like the first our

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Speaker 1: a great job recruitment state of Florida. But you coming out.

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Speaker 1: When I saw you play as a sophomore in high school,

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Speaker 1: And I think John Pelfrey and I watched you played

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Speaker 1: me twenty six straight days in July, chasing all over

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Speaker 1: the place, I can believe. But the thing that was

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Speaker 1: interesting is you guys say that, But I wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: in the recruiting process, you always said, I want to

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Speaker 1: been done yet, you know. And to lee've Mitchell South Dakota,

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Speaker 1: And I knew what this guy was about, you know,

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Speaker 1: just with you Donald's being at Miami High, but just

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Speaker 2: Well, I didn't. I had no idea what he was

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Speaker 3: Time dunk on me, dunkle here we.

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Speaker 2: Play we played pick up. No, it wasn't practice pickup.

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Speaker 3: You tried to dunk on me.

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Speaker 2: Well what happened? You almost killed me?

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Speaker 4: I will say this though, Coach. One thing I will

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Speaker 4: we got that locked in But you actually do you

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Speaker 4: remember coming down?

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 1: I used to hang out a three fingers through the

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Speaker 1: First of all, I never forget it by Brent Wright's house.

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Speaker 1: So I was always walking around in Miami with the

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Speaker 4: You guys came down and visited me at my grandmother's

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Speaker 3: This ship like this.

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Speaker 1: I didn't come down academic right.

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Speaker 3: Now, what's going on.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm gonna get you in like

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Speaker 4: this is you gotta get this ship together. This is

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Speaker 3: You talked so fast. I don't know what he said,

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Speaker 3: but I was like, I'm in, So I'm in. I'm by,

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Speaker 4: That shit was coming quick, and I was like, okay,

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Speaker 2: Talk about coming from Marshall where you were and going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was incredible. So the interesting thing

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Speaker 1: and Jason was like, this was that Kentucky. I Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: You know, the one thing I would say that was

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Speaker 2: you never said that man that in a gym. They

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Speaker 2: Because that's how it was the first time I saw him,

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Speaker 2: Like yo, yeah, what's going on right now?

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Speaker 4: But the same thing when I saw you.

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Speaker 3: I'll give you a great story.

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Speaker 1: Right So we're we're trying to recruit Jason Kidd and

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Speaker 1: and it's funny when I see Jason Kidd, we talk

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Speaker 1: I forget it. You guys remember these the Nike OL

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Speaker 1: The one thing I always felt, like, you know, from

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Speaker 4: Study. I say, man, you don't understand. You understand what

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Speaker 1: like to get there. But kick they know everything, They've

437
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Speaker 1: seen it all, experience it all, and rookies just don't

438
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Speaker 1: always walk in and it goes easy. I mean there

439
00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:24,920
Speaker 1: are some dark days for those guys in its long,

440
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Speaker 1: long years.

441
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Speaker 4: Yes, I mean, and it goes And also the transfer portal,

442
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Speaker 4: I think when we were transferring, you have to sit

443
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Speaker 4: out a year depending on where you were going. In

444
00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,200
Speaker 4: a situation like that, right now, you can literally be

445
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Speaker 4: a three year starter somewhere, transfer and pick up right

446
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,040
Speaker 4: where you left off your starting spot and coming with

447
00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,800
Speaker 4: the bag the money. So I'm like, I agree with that,

448
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,000
Speaker 4: the resilience and where's the grit? You know what I'm saying,

449
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,920
Speaker 4: The things that are going to help you at next

450
00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,560
Speaker 4: at the next level if you get there.

451
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Speaker 2: So yeah, because of that grit and what you are

452
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Speaker 2: talking about though, like a lot of these guys are

453
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Speaker 2: get drafted. Yeah, I don't care if you're a lottery picker

454
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Speaker 2: or not. It's hard to play them. And so if

455
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Speaker 2: you if you haven't fought through it at some level already,

456
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,520
Speaker 2: that is really difficult not to physically but mentally, right,

457
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,600
Speaker 2: So like that, I think it hurts them. The other

458
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 2: thing I say, like, since you saw both sides of it,

459
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Speaker 2: what's the biggest difference between coaching at the college level

460
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Speaker 2: and coaching at the NBA level.

461
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Speaker 1: I would say this, It's like, it's like the way

462
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Speaker 1: I'd likeness to the conversation we're having right now. And

463
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Speaker 1: what I mean by that is the conversation that we

464
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Speaker 1: had when I was recruiting you guys, and you guys

465
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Speaker 1: were eighteen years old. It's a lot different now than

466
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Speaker 1: it was twenty five years ago, right, And I almost

467
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 1: like it as a parent, Right, you have a child

468
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Speaker 1: that's eight nine years old, and now you've got a

469
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Speaker 1: child that child's twenty five or thirty. The relationships different.

470
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Speaker 1: So you're dealing with to me, in the NBA, grown

471
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Speaker 1: men that have experienced everything that they possibly could have

472
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Speaker 1: experience in the game of basketball. They've seen it all,

473
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Speaker 1: they've been through it all, and then I think the

474
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Speaker 1: college guys just haven't. And sometimes they're a little bit

475
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Speaker 1: delusional because people around them are telling them what they

476
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Speaker 1: got to do to get to the league, how much

477
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Speaker 1: they're going to be in the league, where they're going

478
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Speaker 1: to get drafted, and they have no idea, whereas I

479
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 1: think an NBA players just so much more worldly and

480
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Speaker 1: seasoned in the game of basketball.

481
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that.

482
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Speaker 4: So question when you decided to take the lead coach

483
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 4: the first opportunity, obviously Orlando obviously didn't work out. Okay, see,

484
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Speaker 4: just give me a rundown on coaching those young guys

485
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 4: to obviously where they are now, did you see those guys,

486
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 4: because I'm obviously they're Hall of Famous, Hall of Famous,

487
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 4: but as young guys, did you see their careers? Kd

488
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Speaker 4: W sixteen years into the league and what he's doing now,

489
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 4: did you see those guys' careers? Yeah, going this way,

490
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 4: you can see talent, but talent doesn't.

491
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Speaker 3: Always push you to the next level. It doesn't. You

492
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 3: could just stop. We've seen plenty of talented guys don't last.

493
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Speaker 3: In and out. You can put it in the hole,

494
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Speaker 3: but they don't last.

495
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Speaker 4: Did you see these guys being at the level that

496
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Speaker 4: they're at now and playing that consistent at it's consistent

497
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Speaker 4: high level.

498
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Speaker 1: Well, you know when I when I came in there,

499
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Speaker 1: both those guys were Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, Both those

500
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Speaker 1: guys were all stars, you know, And and the one

501
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Speaker 1: thing I really appreciated was with those two guys, and

502
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Speaker 1: even Nick Collinson, who was a veteran guy. Nazi Mohammed

503
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Speaker 1: was a veteran guy like it was. I always say

504
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Speaker 1: the most humbling experience for me was when was the

505
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Speaker 1: first game I was coaching in the NBA, were playing

506
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Speaker 1: San Antonio and I'm walking out there for shoot around

507
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Speaker 1: the day of the game, and I had to come

508
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Speaker 1: to the realization that Kevin Durant knows a lot more

509
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Speaker 1: about Garden Kawhi Leonard than I ever could tell and

510
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook knows a lot more about Garden Tony Parker

511
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Speaker 1: than I could ever tell them. And that moment made

512
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Speaker 1: me realize that I had to work to catch up

513
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Speaker 1: to those guys because of what they experienced on the floor,

514
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Speaker 1: and also those guys patient level with me, you know,

515
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Speaker 1: and trying to pick their brain and learn from them,

516
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Speaker 1: because I always think that as a coach, you can

517
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Speaker 1: watch things in the NBA from the sidelines, it's a

518
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Speaker 1: different experience when you guys are out there feeling it.

519
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: You guys can provide different things. And I always, you know,

520
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 1: tried to do that, but I never forget it. Like

521
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Speaker 1: one of our first games, and Russell Westbrook was great

522
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Speaker 1: with too, so there was like a foul m lane,

523
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, and it was a timeout. So it goes

524
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Speaker 1: to time out, and you know, I'm like three games

525
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 1: removed from college and I'm drawing up and underneath that

526
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: bounds play and Russell's his coaching up here. We take

527
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Speaker 1: it out on the side, you know, But like They

528
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 1: would joke with me there on that stuff, and I

529
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Speaker 1: think they felt like I worked hard.

530
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Speaker 3: You know.

531
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Speaker 1: The one thing I loved about those two guys. And

532
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Speaker 1: I tell a lot of players this, those two guys

533
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Speaker 1: and really the whole team in the organization in a

534
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Speaker 1: lot of ways, even Serge Ibaka, all of them, but

535
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Speaker 1: Kevin and Russell were in that gym, whether there was

536
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Speaker 1: a game the night before, no game at eight, eight thirty,

537
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Speaker 1: every day every day. And I think even for Kevin,

538
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 1: you know some of the things that that he had

539
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Speaker 1: to deal with with, you know, different injuries and foot

540
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of it's been with how hard

541
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Speaker 1: he works. You know, I've I've never seen him go

542
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: out there and ever take a shot that's not a

543
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 1: game shot. There is no messing around he gets out there.

544
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: It is total detail, focus and concentration. And the same

545
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: thing with Russell Westbrook. Like Russell, he would get to

546
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Speaker 1: the arena on a home game like three, three and

547
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: a half hours before the game, and I always said

548
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Speaker 1: it was like a great comfort thing is that you

549
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: walk into the locker room before the game, you know,

550
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: pregame film, whatever it is, you know that that guy

551
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: is going to be shot out of a can and

552
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: wants to jump ball, goes up, you know, and I

553
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 1: have great admiration for the way those guys competed, loved

554
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: the game, and played the game. You know. I wish

555
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: in some way we could have found a way to

556
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Speaker 1: get through Golden State and beating them, But you know,

557
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: I was very, very fortunate to be around those guys.

558
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: And then obviously I think organizationally helping me with the transition.

559
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: The organization was very helpful as well.

560
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but as a credit to you though too, Like

561
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Speaker 2: I'll be honest, coming from college and going in that situation,

562
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Speaker 2: like just a communication, like you said before, like they

563
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 2: know better about hotgard and oh, I like I have

564
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 2: a conversation with NBA coaches, not even with their players,

565
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: Like just communicate with them. Yeah, they're out there, they're

566
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 2: in the grind of it. Like if they don't if

567
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: they feel something, believe me, it's it's worth writing down

568
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 2: and understanding. Like that's to me, that's why you've been

569
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 2: able to do what you've done, because that transition is hard.

570
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Speaker 1: It's hard, and you have to Yeah, I think you

571
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: have to have an understanding and respect that you know,

572
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: as a coach you still can learning it better, right,

573
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: I really, you know, this was like you end up

574
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Speaker 1: leaving and making the decision to go, and I know

575
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Speaker 1: if it gets has had a conversation with Jim O'Brien,

576
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Speaker 1: who he replaced me at Kentucky when I left and

577
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: then he went with coach Beatino to the Celtics became

578
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: the head coach the Celtics, head coach the Pacers, and

579
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 1: we had a conversation on the phone and he said, Billy,

580
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: one of the things you're going to have to do

581
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Speaker 1: is you got to figure out how to rely on

582
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Speaker 1: the players because of their experiences. And he said, the

583
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,719
Speaker 1: mistake that you can make is not to go in

584
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: there and listen to those guys because they're the ones

585
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: that experienced between the lines, and you can gather an

586
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Speaker 1: enormous amount of information as a coach to help them

587
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: instead of coming in as a coach. Well, I'm the coach.

588
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: It's my way of the highway. I'm not listening to anybody,

589
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: and I just don't know if that's wise. You know,

590
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Speaker 1: It's just I think that you can pull an extract

591
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Speaker 1: from a lot of different experiences to help me do

592
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Speaker 1: my job, which is ultimately to put those guys in

593
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Speaker 1: the position to be the best version of themselves. And

594
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: in order to do that, you have to be able

595
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: to I think, have an open mind and listen. You

596
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: know there's times, as you know, you d Mike, you

597
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: know you're gonna have disagreements on the scattering report, you

598
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, And we should guard it this way. No,

599
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: we should guard it that way. But like if you

600
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Speaker 1: have a good relationship and you communicate, you say, listen, yes,

601
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Speaker 1: we're going to do it this way. This is what

602
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Speaker 1: I think's best right now. And you know what, if

603
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: it's not worka will change. You put your best foot

604
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Speaker 1: forward to guard it.

605
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: Well.

606
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: The other thing is too is hey, listen, you know what,

607
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense.

608
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: Let's switch it.

609
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: Let's do it your way. You got to work together

610
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: like that. You know you're in a working relationship that

611
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: you're both trying to get the same exact results, and

612
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: that's when. But you got to do it together. And

613
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: the more information you have to talk things out, I

614
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Speaker 1: think the healthier it is, probably the better answers you're gonna.

615
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 3: Come up within.

616
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: Speaking about winning, obviously we came up short. We're at Florida,

617
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 2: which was one of the most devastating things.

618
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: Ever Michigan State uh team clease.

619
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: Still hate it, but back to back championships, to me,

620
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: it is one of the most impressive things ever because

621
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: more to me, college is more impressive than actually the NBA.

622
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: A lot of term the game. Yes, it's one game

623
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: you're not at your best like in the NBA. You've

624
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: been in at you know, game two, game three at

625
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: their place. You can lose that and still come back

626
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 2: and be fine. Like we had our battles against Butler,

627
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 2: we end up winning the game. But to win back

628
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: to back championships, to be able to bring those guys

629
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 2: back and do that, talk about this like what the

630
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: challenges were after they wanted and then coming back the

631
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: second time, because those guys all to buy in and

632
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 2: come back again. Credit to you guys want you guys

633
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 2: did at Florida, because that's not easy to do to

634
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 2: get them all come back. Because you need just blame

635
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: me again before we got on here that I didn't

636
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: come back.

637
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 4: Well, if I can blame you for that, then I

638
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 4: could take credit for some of the wins because coach

639
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 4: let me talk to the guys and they came back.

640
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: You did talk to the guys.

641
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: He did talk to Oh yeah, I got a couple

642
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: of calls from U D. He wasn't happy with the

643
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: way we're applying. Bring them into office. I want to

644
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: I want to get They need an ear full right now.

645
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, it was funny Mike with and

646
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: it's kind of there's certain players that I think you

647
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: can are kind of cut from the same cloth, you know,

648
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: guys that love the game, Guys that are competitive and

649
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: totally driven by winning and understand the sacrifice that goes

650
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: into that. New du were talking about it right, like

651
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: it's it's all of your being that kind of goes

652
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: into it, right. And I don't forget this. When I

653
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: was we had lost in the first or second round

654
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: before Joe Kim and and Al Horford, Corey Brewer and

655
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,239
Speaker 1: those guys were coming in as freshmen and so it

656
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: was like their spring getting ready to be freshmen. And

657
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: I went to Jersey. Joe Kim was at a prep

658
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: school there, and I went there, and this is maybe

659
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: like a week or two after we had gotten knocked

660
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: out of the tournament, and this guy was like legitimately

661
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: bothered that we lost. Didn't play in a game was

662
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: a part of the game, but it was like I'm

663
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: going here and man, he was like, so, you know, upset,

664
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know what, like that that says

665
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: a lot to me, right, And you guys know Vegas

666
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: Summer League and excuse me, Vegas AU.

667
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 3: The big time.

668
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: I'm recruiting now Hawford and it's in the semi finals.

669
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: They lose in a really close game and coaches are

670
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: there and I'm walking out of the gym and he's

671
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: on the bleachers by himself crying in an AAU game,

672
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know what, this guy cares. There's

673
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: certain things that you can tell from people that really

674
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: really winning and competing is important. And you know, the

675
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: most amazing thing with those guys was they were eighteen

676
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: and zero in the postseason. They never lost the postseason

677
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: game in two years. And I do say this like

678
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: they have to go down as one of the greatest

679
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: teams just because they started this season off one year

680
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: totally unranked, and people can say, hey, they caught lightning

681
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: in the bottle. They got hot. Then the next year

682
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: they started number one in the country and then had

683
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,959
Speaker 1: to do it right. And the thing that was amazing

684
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: everybody thinks that we did something to get them back.

685
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: The only reason they came back was because of Torrian

686
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: Green Wow. Because Torrian couldn't go. He was not going

687
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: to get drafted.

688
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 5: Wow.

689
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 1: And they told him Joe Kim Allen like left, that's exactly.

690
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 1: But they were like, you know what, this is it

691
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: for you? You got yourself and oil because we're out

692
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: of here after this year, right. I think the lure

693
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: of trying to do it again for a second time,

694
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: and then the fact that they felt like if they

695
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: all left, Torrion was going to be left there unable

696
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: to maybe realize his dream because the team wasn't going

697
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: to be And I think that that's It's like I

698
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: remember him like people probably a lot of times passed by,

699
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: but like he took a lot less money at one

700
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: point in time in his career to stay in Miami.

701
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know what I mean. And you guys

702
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: have you guys have all made you have made financial sacrifices,

703
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: You made distant sacrifices coming all the way from South

704
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: Dakota to go to Florida. There was things that you

705
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: guys sacrificed for your own individual greatness and for you

706
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: to win and you guys made it.

707
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: We talk about all the time because our teams that

708
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: we did it. Sacrifice. I always that's the one thing

709
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: after I came here and some of the stuff we

710
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: went through, like everyone would say, oh, you gotta sacrifice.

711
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: That told them sacrificed an easy word to say, yes,

712
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: if you know what the outcome is gonna be right,

713
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: but you have a belief factor in it. Yeah, Like

714
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: if someone say, hey, man, you sacrifice, Okay, what's the

715
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: outcome gonna be? Oh, you're gonna win two world championship?

716
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: Oh shit, I'll sacrifice all day long of course, But

717
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: what happened when we go to we sacrificed, go and

718
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: lose the first year in Dallas and we think we're

719
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: gonna blow it up. Now I sacrifice for what? So

720
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: like that's that's where to me, it's like it's takes

721
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: a special person to a sacrifice, but to believe in

722
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: the sacrifices, Yeah, because you don't know what the outcome

723
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: you're gonna get it Like they don't know what's gonna

724
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: happen that they don't know if they're gonna want a

725
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: back back championship. Same thing we didn't know we we hey,

726
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: like you guys come here sacrifice. You'll go from shooting

727
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: fourteen balls to shooting four of them.

728
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: But the sacrifice to me is is it's not what

729
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: you pick, can choose you want to sacrifice us. It's

730
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: sacrificing what's important.

731
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, no doubt this is important to me.

732
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: But I got to give it up.

733
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 4: And the thing is, you never know when it's gonna

734
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 4: be your turn to sacrifice, when you're going to be

735
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 4: that guy that's right. You never know when it's going

736
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 4: to be your night to have to pass it and

737
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 4: be the sacrifice or whether whatever it is. That's that's

738
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 4: what's always difficult.

739
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: And you know this, you do like sometimes it's not

740
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: always about like making an extra pass or you know,

741
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: you know, taking less shots, you know, I mean sometimes

742
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: it's like no, like you're you're you've got to be

743
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: this has got to be your role and you don't

744
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: want to play that right, right, And that role is

745
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: not what I want and I don't want to sacrifice that,

746
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: but you may have to sacrifice it to win.

747
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: Same thing for all young kids coming out now, I

748
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: tell them all the time, it doesn't mean it'sho you're

749
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: going to be four years from now. That's right, that's

750
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: who you got to be right now to get playing time,

751
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 2: playing times auction. Without it, you're dead. So figure out.

752
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: So to me, figure out, Okay, it's not who you're

753
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: gonna be always, it's who you're gonna be now, and

754
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: if you work and do all the stuff on your own,

755
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: it's gonna work out for you. But it's it's hard sacrifice.

756
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, throughout your guy's career, like that's

757
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: what I think would happen to you down It's like

758
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: I never forget it. So, like you know, he comes

759
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: into college and he's this dominant low post player and

760
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: then he realizes, Okay, I've got to trim down and

761
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: become this guy that can run and play all day long.

762
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: And he goes overseas and totally change himself and goes

763
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: into a situation where he can totally reinvents himself. Like

764
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: the level of sacrifice sit there and say you know what,

765
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: because he could have been hardhead and said, you know what,

766
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: I'm one of the best low post scores in college.

767
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm not changing. Like he've realized, Okay, this is what

768
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: I have to do. Sacrifices I got to make to

769
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: impact the team. And he's always looking at it too,

770
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: And it's like the same thing. You you know, you

771
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: go into being Rookie of the year, you know, and

772
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: in the NBA and your career, and then all of

773
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's like, Okay, I'm going to some of

774
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: these different situations and now I'm not the guy anymore

775
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: and the thing's not being built around me, and now

776
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: I'm okay, this is what I have to do to win.

777
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: It's tough.

778
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: That's why you need vets. How you need vets.

779
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 4: What's just because I know when we were talking about okay,

780
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 4: see earlier, the first person starts speaking on nick and nods.

781
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: Oh geez.

782
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 4: I think even today, and that was a while ago,

783
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 4: but even today, I think it's a loss art to

784
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 4: have these vets and these guys in the locker room

785
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 4: just when it is it's time to sacrifice. Somebody that

786
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 4: can come to you. Not a coach, because everybody understands

787
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 4: what the coach is gonna do. A coach is gonna

788
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 4: always say what's probably best for the team. But somebody

789
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 4: that's gonna come for you that you're treating real, somebody

790
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 4: that's gonna sit next to you, that's in the trenches,

791
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 4: that works out with you, that goes through those things

792
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 4: every day. I can have a conversation with you, Hey,

793
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 4: I've been there before. I understand how this is going

794
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 4: to go. But if you do this and every if

795
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 4: we win as a team, then everybody wins. But you

796
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 4: have to get that sometimes conversation from another player as

797
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 4: opposed to hearing it from a coach or somebody on

798
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 4: the staff, it just doesn't translate the same.

799
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: What's interesting, Like I would see supposed sometimes in the

800
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: summertime and I would see him and we say, how's

801
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: you d doing or whatever, and he would always always

802
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: say to me, man like just what he meant inside

803
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: the locker room for sure, and what he did there,

804
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: and just just how unbelievable he was, you know. And

805
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: it's like sometimes people like get like the winning parts,

806
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: not that like being around you, being around you and

807
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: seeing the way your careers have taken off from what

808
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: you guys have accomplished. Seeing you guys at eighteen years old,

809
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. I'm not.

810
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 4: And I Spurrier called, you say, keep away from my guys.

811
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 4: Spurrier calls they keep away from my guys.

812
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: No, but like competitively, like when you have these conversations

813
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: you down stow. You know, you don't even remember this.

814
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: Who was the big guy that we played in the

815
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: NCATE tournament was Western Kentucky's big.

816
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 4: Seven foot I remember. I don't remember his name, but

817
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 4: I remember the big kids. He wasnt remember that.

818
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: He's like, so he comes to me and he says,

819
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: to me, listen, he says, don't throw it to me

820
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: in the post. He says, just let me run this

821
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: guy up and down the floor. In the last ten minutes,

822
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: I'll have him dragon. And he says, then I'll.

823
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: Go to one getting with the rope of dope.

824
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: You know the road do He just kept on made

825
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: baskets run on the floor. This poor guy's trying to

826
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: keep up for like thirty minutes and then all of

827
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: a sudden, he's guy had nothing left and he's just

828
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: totally working him. But like the same thing, yeah, like

829
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 1: the same thing with him, you know where everybody he's

830
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: in college and the role telling me he's got to

831
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: get a fifteen to seventeen foot jump shot, he's got

832
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: to work on picking pop situations. And he's like telling me, like, yeah,

833
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: it's all good, I'll do it on my own time.

834
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: Play me how you got to play me for us

835
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: to win.

836
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: Which, by the way, they lose, by the way, which,

837
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: by the way, running him to death is hilarious if

838
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: you knew where it came from.

839
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 5: Oh yes, because because coach Coach. One thing we preached at.

840
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 2: Florida when we got there and I had no idea.

841
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: What I was walking into was we're gonna be the

842
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: most in shape, most disciplined team, right, So we did

843
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: a twenty and twenty and they'll never forget our old practice.

844
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: Philly facility had the cage around it, and we're doing this.

845
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: I think it was this time. It is like sixteen

846
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 2: and sixteenes or it might have been eighteen eight, whatever

847
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: it was. It wasn't It wasn't to the twenty and

848
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: twenty yet, And I look back there one time and

849
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 2: it just so you guys know at home, like twenty

850
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: and twenty or sixteen, you have whatever the time miss

851
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: do your suicide. And then the minute between that and

852
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 2: the minute is when you have to go.

853
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: You guys like a forward. I think it was like

854
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: twenty seven seconds. You guys are twenty, so you'd have

855
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: twenty three seconds to rest.

856
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 3: Between the whole suicide people.

857
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 2: So going back to this guy talking about coach, I'm gonna.

858
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 5: Run him to death.

859
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 3: Evolution because it's evolution, bro, evolution.

860
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 5: Because when I turned back and looked one time and

861
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 5: you were grabbed that cage and we had three dudes

862
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 5: trying to tell that was the one time I knew

863
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 5: I was never missing with messing me was empty.

864
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was never missing with you.

865
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 3: Yet he looked at me like I'm.

866
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: Gonna kill you.

867
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: Said you got it, Bro, got empty.

868
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 3: But it's so funny he said, you run it, Dow.

869
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 3: That just goes to show you. Man, that's crazy. No,

870
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: I mean twenty and twenty was was was.

871
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: That's we never want to see that gains stuff. We

872
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 2: did that and then the track too, Man, that stuff

873
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 2: was crazy.

874
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 3: Man.

875
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: What was that track where the two hundreds and the

876
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: four hundreds?

877
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: Man?

878
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: I was like, what am I getting into?

879
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 3: And remember this?

880
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: I want you to jump shot?

881
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, coach, we can't to play basketball.

882
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 3: We are We new Floyd had a great track team.

883
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: You're a part of it.

884
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 5: When I saw you out there with like cut off

885
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 5: shirts and spadass, we're in trouble.

886
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 4: Man, I'll tell you one thing, but I will say this,

887
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 4: that's the part about it that you got to push

888
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 4: through it, and just because you don't like it somewhere

889
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 4: because it was times when I had to get my

890
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 4: asself in the morning to run too because I wasn't

891
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 4: passing the condition and testing. And now you get up

892
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 4: and run and take care of my part of it.

893
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 4: Nowadays are they doing that? If you just don't like

894
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 4: it or you're gonna.

895
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: Leave, that's right, then that's right.

896
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: And it isn't too much? Is it too hard?

897
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: And there is something for fighting through something that's difficulty

898
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: getting through together.

899
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 4: Everything you want is on the other side of doing

900
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 4: the hardshop, that's right. Everything you want in life is

901
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 4: on the other side of doing the hardship. If it's easy,

902
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 4: you can keep that ship.

903
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 3: I don't want it.

904
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 4: I want it because it's something tied to it that's

905
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 4: probably gonna take your ass down.

906
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 3: Coach.

907
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: Can we talk about how much Miami Senior High cheated?

908
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 4: But no, but y'all have talking about who talk about

909
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 4: who would have won Miami Senior High or Popcorn Palace Team,

910
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 4: Popcorn Palace Team, the Corn Palace Corn. Oh my bad,

911
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 4: the pop Corn Palace.

912
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: Team have to sit there and say, you guys, are

913
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: that a hard time?

914
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 3: Hard time? Hard? Hard time against hard time.

915
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: I came into High. I came into High and be marritith.

916
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 3: I came to see Mike.

917
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 4: I saw Mike play before before I knew he was

918
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 4: gonna be my teammate of Florida. I was with the

919
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 4: Florida Flash and we were in a tournament and I

920
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 4: saw Mike play and it was ve Vegas is one

921
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 4: team had all white guys, but it was one that

922
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 4: was about six seven, sixth eight. The motherfucker rebound, he dribbled,

923
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 4: he passed it to himself, he shot it, he got

924
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 4: another rebouy. Literally he did everything. And I didn't know

925
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 4: I was gonna play with this guy. But when I

926
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 4: came back to Mimi, I say, listen, I seen a unicorn.

927
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 4: I've seen the ship that they be talking about. I

928
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 4: know it's I've never seen this before because growing up

929
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 4: in Miami, you got Latino, you got black, that's about it.

930
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 4: I've seen a motherfucking white boy. I can't go this

931
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 4: motherfucker has done it at all. Not knowing you was

932
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 4: gonna be my teammate at that time. But when I

933
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 4: saw you play, I was like, this motherfucker is Coke.

934
00:39:58,840 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: He was coaching.

935
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: It was I first saw you, I saw you.

936
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 4: Tournament, I saw you you were going to Wasn't that good?

937
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 3: No?

938
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: They were not good. But here's what I would say

939
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: about Hi. Actually his high school, his high school coach

940
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: was a great coach. You guys were really fortunate playing

941
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: for Shaky and Frank and being around that, and then

942
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: you playing for months. I mean, I mean, you guys

943
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: played for good coaches. But the one thing, the one

944
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 1: thing I always respected about played clearly, Like I always

945
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: found this amazing. Like, first of all, the first time

946
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: I went there, they said, hey, he plays in the

947
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: corn Palace. I'm like, what is that? And this is

948
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: like I'm talking to somebody, Yeah, the place is made

949
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: out of corn. I'm like, what it's like built out

950
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: of corn?

951
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 3: Right?

952
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: But anyway, I'm watching him and I'm like, how does

953
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: a guy from Mitchell, South Dakota learn how to play

954
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: like that?

955
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 3: Right?

956
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: And then the other part of it was I always

957
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: felt like he clearly, him taking bad shots would have

958
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: been better than some those guys taking great shots. But

959
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: he always played the right way. He always played there

960
00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: and if guy was open, he moved.

961
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 4: Impressed because would have definitely looked the motherfuckers off. Definitely

962
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 4: looks some of them motherfuckers off for a show for

963
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 4: the show.

964
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 5: Now, I'm glad it worked out because I'm telling you

965
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 5: right now.

966
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: I was just enjoy getting down to Miami High, especially

967
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: when you guys had maybe like a little bit of

968
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: practice down on the asylum. Uh, I'm trying, no, no enough

969
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: Red the two officials, John Goebbel and Jason Jason. I

970
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: told him one time we were rough and he called

971
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: a foul. I thought it was a weak foul. I said, listen,

972
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: they would have ran you out of the asylum something

973
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: like that.

974
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 4: I think they get more ship for going to Miami

975
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 4: High than they do for being.

976
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: Ref great guy. The one thing about like Frank would

977
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: get really really really upset to be a bad practice

978
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: or whatever, and they would.

979
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 3: He shut the lights off and kick us out the gym. Yeah,

980
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 3: did y'all ever get kicked out the gym? And south

981
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 3: we did months was nuts. Yeah, hut the lights off

982
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 3: and kick us out of the gym.

983
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: That's how it's supposed to be. Do your job. We

984
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 2: got kicked out with it. Marriken.

985
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 3: If you do that nowadays, they'll transfer and leave you.

986
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: I hate to even say this word. Did we give

987
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 2: you by Florida State? And drove home and practice one night?

988
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: I can't remember. No.

989
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: We Yes, I think we did you you. I never

990
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: forget this.

991
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: I was so mad.

992
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: Yes, we ended up I think we ended up losing

993
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: the game. And it was interesting. You were like, I

994
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: don't even know what you were like, I'm just gonna

995
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 1: throw this out like two fifteen terrible and I'll never

996
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: forget this. We got back and I got off the

997
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: bus and I went down to the office to grab

998
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: some film with some other stuff, and all I heard

999
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: was like the ball bouncing. And I walked up the

1000
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: stairs and you didn't even see me. You had no

1001
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: shirt on and a pair of shorts on, and you

1002
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: were going up and down the court at like two

1003
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, full court, getting shot.

1004
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 4: Do you know how many times I tried to get

1005
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 4: this man to come out to the club with me,

1006
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 4: and I say, I gotta go sho the gym.

1007
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 1: It'd stay in the gym.

1008
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he lived in the gym. He definitely did.

1009
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 4: I had to learn I was in love with competition

1010
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 4: and just showing motherfuckers that I could do something they

1011
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 4: said I couldn't. That's what you tell me, I can't

1012
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 4: do it, motherfucker. I'm gonna show you I can. Him

1013
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 4: and he lived in the gym you, I mean from

1014
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 4: day one.

1015
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't like all the drills, but the minute

1016
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: there was score being kept, that was your time.

1017
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: As soon as that was competition.

1018
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, scores being kept. Right now, there's a winner and loser.

1019
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 1: I'm in. I'm in all these closeouts and defensive shell

1020
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: that's not for me. You want to keep score, I'm.

1021
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 3: In loser ezactly.

1022
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what it comes down to.

1023
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 3: That's what it comes down to.

1024
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 2: That was so fun, though, man, I think obviously, like

1025
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: I said, I'm glad it worked out. It was a

1026
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: hard decision. All kids have hard decisions. And that's where

1027
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: it's like for me now, is like you just be

1028
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: thankful to make the tough decisions because you had all

1029
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: those things to make. I was fortunate to run under

1030
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: you guys and do this. But like it's worked out

1031
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: so well, and we're so thankful that you're a you're here,

1032
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 2: but that you did everything for us to be here.

1033
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, because I wouldn't be here without you guys, now,

1034
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So with the coaching part of it,

1035
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,479
Speaker 1: you got to have great players and and and even

1036
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: better people you guys were. I mean, I look at

1037
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: it this way. You could have gone just about anywhere

1038
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: in the country to go play. You could have gone

1039
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: anywhere in the country to go play. And the fact

1040
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: that you came, you know, and in Florida, you, like

1041
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: I said, you changed a lot of lives by you

1042
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: guys coming there, you know, all the way around and

1043
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: opened up opportunities and doors for for a lot of people.

1044
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: And you know, it's crazy Coach Grant still speak to

1045
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: all the time. John Pelfrey shout out to shout out

1046
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: to Coach Grant. Those ye all those guys, so I

1047
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: you know, keep in touch with them, you know, even

1048
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: you know Tom Olstrom and Tim Maloney, the guys that

1049
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: was starting out, all those guys. Yea yeah, So, I mean,

1050
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: it's it's unbelievable how much everybody's came, you know, remained

1051
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: together and close after all these years. You know, we

1052
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: did it.

1053
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: We did it together. Yeah, it's a family, but we

1054
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 2: appreciate you coming in code.

1055
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 1: My pleasure.

1056
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 2: I know you've got a lot going.

1057
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: On and I love to coach. The Gowls love the

1058
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: both of you. Guys.

1059
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: Appreciate you coming in.

1060
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 2: It's been as it's been awesome catching back up. Tell

1061
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: the family say what's up.

1062
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: Will love you, brother, love you, Thank you, Coach, thanks you,

1063
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: deep appreciate you.

1064
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 3: Thank you, guys,