1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,239 Speaker 1: The Cardinals come short of a Christmas Eve miracle from 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: the Windy City twenty seven to sixteen lost to the 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Bear Sunday afternoon Welcome in the Morning Scramble presented by 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: Rising from the Sea Geek Studios alongside Jody Jackson and 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: Zach Gershman. 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: I'm Danny Surak. 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, fer game, Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, the two 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: of you. 9 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: Did you both enjoy your Monday off? Jody? 10 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 3: I did. I did pretty chill. Watched a lot of sports. 11 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 3: There's a lot of sports now on Christmas, even baball 12 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 3: No and. 13 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, processing this Cardinals loss, which I know we're going 14 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 4: to really break down, but it was nice to have 15 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 4: a break, how. 16 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 3: About you, Zex. 17 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 5: It was nice to just be able to relax a 18 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 5: little bit and also start scouting the next opponent in 19 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 5: the Philadelphia Eagles watching that Christmas Day game. 20 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 6: So it was a it was a chill day, but 21 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 6: it was a good day at that. 22 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 2: Sunday against the Bears. 23 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: The Cardinals found themselves playing from behind twenty one nothing 24 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: Arizona's first three possessions punts. When you're playing from behind, 25 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: you abandoned run game a little bit and that's difficult 26 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 1: when the Cardinals wide receivers have been struggling to produce 27 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: on a consistent basis. You had four receptions by your 28 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: wide receivers for seventy five yards. Second straight game rookie 29 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: wide receiver Michael Wilson was held catchless, Jody, what can 30 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: be done at this point? 31 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 3: That's the big question, Danny. You know, you look at 32 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 3: Michael Wilson. 33 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 4: There have been a lot of high hopes for him 34 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 4: to get integrated into this offense and despite having the injury, 35 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 4: now he's been back a couple of games and to 36 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 4: still not have a catch and you just see where 37 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 4: it's just not clicking with Kyler Murray and the receivers. 38 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 4: And at this point, you know, the coaching staff, I 39 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 4: don't really think they care at this point in time 40 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 4: in this season who is catching the ball, just that 41 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 4: they are making plays in the passing game. But they're 42 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 4: not unfortunately the passing game. I mean, you see the 43 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 4: numbers and they look more prolific than what Justin Fields 44 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 4: did in the passing game. But it wasn't early in 45 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 4: the game. It wasn't in key moments. It wasn't when 46 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 4: they had to make a play. I mean Greg Dortch's 47 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 4: thirty eight yard touchdown was the big play of the game. 48 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 4: And yes, he is a wide receiver, so that was 49 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 4: good to see. Early on, we did see him going 50 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 4: back to Trey McBride, But I don't know what the 51 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 4: answer is, Danny. It is tough to figure out. Obviously, 52 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 4: with the injury to Hollywood Brown, they need to improve 53 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 4: the room next year. That is clear, I think with 54 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 4: multiple wide receivers, because that position just has to get better. 55 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 4: You have to have more skill and talent at that position. 56 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 4: And then Kyler Murray. Now it's a little late to 57 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 4: be able to developing that chemistry, but you know, you're 58 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 4: just not seeing chemistry between these guys. 59 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 6: You're not. 60 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 5: But I think that when you are playing catchup in 61 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 5: the ways that you are, you're gonna just have to 62 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 5: be singing the rock around. And that's why James Connor's 63 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 5: numbers did not look nearly as good as we've seen 64 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 5: in the previous couple weeks, the Cardinals having to abandon 65 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 5: the run game because of that. But I think in general, 66 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 5: when it comes to the room for the future, obviously 67 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 5: that's an area of need. 68 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 6: There's a lot of areas and needs. 69 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 5: If there was a Cardinals Christmas wish list, I know 70 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 5: the wide receiver core and improving that is definitely going 71 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 5: to be on that list. But with Michael Wilson, that's 72 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 5: the guy that hasn't had the chance to be out 73 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 5: there nearly as much as he would like. But it's 74 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 5: been three weeks, three straight games that a wide receiver 75 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 5: has not led the receiving yards category. 76 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 6: So something's got to be done about. 77 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: That tight end. 78 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: Trey McBride thirty one receiving yards, which sounds incredibly low 79 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: considering he was coming off his second straight one hundred 80 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: plus receiving yard game. The Cardinals relied on their running 81 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: backs James Connor sixty seven receiving yards, Amaro de Mercado forty. 82 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: That's why Connor's run numbers were a little lower, just 83 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: forty five rushing yards. Cardinals were going up against the 84 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: number one run defense for the second straight week in 85 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. It was noticeable, Zach. They struggled to 86 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: get the ball going downhill. 87 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, it definitely was noticeable because they were not able 88 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 5: to get beyond a few yards. I mean James Connor 89 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 5: averaging the three point eight yards he carried per that game. 90 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 5: It was not easy to get anything going. And you 91 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 5: saw the success that they had in the previous game 92 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 5: against the San Francisco forty nine ers when you're saying, okay, 93 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 5: they were able to get the run going two hundred 94 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 5: and thirty four yards against the number one team in 95 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 5: the NFL at that time before the Cardinals dropped them 96 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 5: down a couple spots. So the Bears scouted them out 97 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 5: and they knew exactly what the game plan was going 98 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 5: to be, that the Cardinals were not going to be. 99 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 6: Afraid to run the rock. 100 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 5: But because you're down twenty one nothing, you kind of 101 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 5: got to get rid of that game plan, throw it 102 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 5: out the door, because something you got to get something 103 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 5: going in the passing game, and you do have a 104 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 5: Greg George thirty eight yard you know, scramble around just 105 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 5: going in and out Jokie, multiple players out. It was exciting, 106 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 5: but you're already so far behind at that point, you 107 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 5: just got to try to get something going. 108 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, to establish the run early would have been ideal. 109 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure that's what they wanted to do 110 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 4: on the road and not put any pressure in the 111 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 4: passing game, But you know, I mean there were moments 112 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 4: and James Connor had a few nice runs there, but 113 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 4: in Amari de Mercado as well, but it wasn't sustainable. 114 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 4: And that's the problem with this offense. You're seeing glimpses, 115 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 4: but you're just not seeing consistency, obviously, not jumping out 116 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 4: to an early start. You look at twenty one to 117 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 4: nothing and you think about the defense and it was 118 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 4: a couple of big plays. It was Cole Comet, you know, 119 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 4: and Justin Fields was able to roll out and extend 120 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 4: plays with his legs. He did that very well. But 121 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 4: at the end of the day, Justin Fields only had 122 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy yards. So you look at they 123 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 4: jump out to that twenty one to nothing lead when 124 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 4: you can't fire back on offense guys, and I think 125 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 4: again that's Jonathan Gannon talked about it. 126 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: You have to start quicker, and. 127 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 4: That's on defense, obviously, but it's also on offense to 128 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 4: possess the ball to have some explosive plays. They were 129 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 4: really missing that. On this holiday weekend, you're looking to 130 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 4: make a little noise. You understand that this is a 131 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 4: team that came into this game three and eleven, but 132 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 4: you want to have some explosive plays, and you want 133 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 4: to be able to sustain drives, and there were only 134 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 4: a couple of points in this game where they were 135 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 4: able to do that. It was certainly not throughout the game, Danny, 136 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 4: and that is something that is a concern Jody. 137 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: The inconsistency and ability to fire back. How much of 138 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: that falls on quarterback Kyler Murray. 139 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 4: Some of it does, for sure, and for Kyler Murray, again, 140 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 4: it's a lot. This game was interesting justin fields Kyler 141 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 4: Murray some similarities. There's guys that can make plays with 142 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 4: their legs, guys that struggle to have that rhythm in 143 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 4: a passing game. You'd love to see guys that were 144 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 4: drafted as high as these two were being able to 145 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 4: kind of slice and dice the defense up through that 146 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 4: passing game. 147 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 3: But yeah, Kyler Murray, and I think he's taken it 148 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 3: on his shoulders. 149 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 4: But you know, you saw the one play, and it's 150 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 4: not all about one play obviously, where there was a miscommunication. 151 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 4: He expected Trey McBride to stay in one spody Again, 152 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 4: you see those little things and at that point when 153 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 4: I was writing my notes down, I was thinking, it's details. Again, 154 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 4: it's a lot of details, because you know, Kyler Murray 155 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 4: is there, he's got a lot of skill. But yeah, 156 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 4: there were other times where there were linemen kind of 157 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 4: blocking his vision where he'd have a path to making 158 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 4: a play and it just didn't work out. But as 159 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 4: those pile up, it is a problems act. 160 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 5: It all starts to add up, and those small details 161 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 5: that you're alluding to that separate a good team that 162 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 5: is competitive in games from a great team that's able 163 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 5: to pull through and win those games. 164 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 6: And you started to see. 165 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 5: The fight a little bit at the end as they 166 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 5: were starting to climb back, Because when you're down twenty 167 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 5: one nothing, it's very easy to just give up and say, 168 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 5: all right, we're down in the first quarter in this 169 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 5: type away, in this type of performance, when Cole Comet's 170 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 5: putting up over one hundred yards in just the first quarter, 171 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 5: it's very easy to say this, we're out. 172 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 6: Matched in this one. But they didn't and they kept 173 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 6: on fighting. 174 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 5: But it is those little details that you need to 175 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 5: get that you need to make happen. It's the extra 176 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 5: scramble when you're going from the left side to the 177 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 5: right side, just trying to make something happen In there 178 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 5: needs to be more separation from the wide receivers to 179 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 5: give Kyva Murray a better chance at consistency in hopes 180 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 5: of extending those plays a little bit. 181 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 6: In this one, they just were not able to get open. 182 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: Difficult playing from behind. 183 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: Twenty one nothing just six points given up by the 184 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: Cardinals defense. However, that twenty one point deficit the play extensions. 185 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: According to the head coach Jonathan Gannon, that's what really hurt 186 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: this team, hurt this defense. Cardinals allowed four hundred and 187 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: twenty total yards to the Bears, a season high two 188 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty rushing yards. Wasn't a scary passing game 189 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: by Chicago. It was the run game, most of those 190 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: yards going and running back Khalil Herbert and quarterback Justin Field, 191 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: who remain Chicago's leading rusher, including a thirty nine yard scramble. 192 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: Cardinals the defense is banged up on the defensive line. 193 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: They were on their third middle linebacker with the Green 194 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: dot calling the defense in five games now relying on 195 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: Chris Bards and starting cornerback Garrett Williams was out. Zach, 196 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: What were the biggest holes that allowed Chicago's run game 197 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: to be so successful? 198 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 6: It really was limiting those play extensions. 199 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 5: I mean for Justin Fields to go for the Bears 200 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 5: had eight plus runs or they had eight runs of 201 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 5: ten plus yards for those belonging to Justin Fields. His 202 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 5: ability to get outside the pocket, to stay in the 203 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 5: pocket for as long as he did, and then to 204 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 5: be able to scramble out of it and make those 205 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 5: thirty nine yard runs, and there were multiple quarterback designed 206 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 5: runs as well that he was able to get by. 207 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 5: It's the defensive line, and obviously they're banged up and 208 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 5: injuries are a part of the game, but Jonathan Ledbetter 209 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 5: went out with it with the knee injury. That's another 210 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 5: big hit on that defensive line. You're gonna have Kevin Strong, 211 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 5: You're gonna have Dante Stills. Besides that, from Week two 212 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 5: and beyond, you don't really have many guys on that 213 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 5: defensive line that have been able to stay consistently healthy. 214 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 6: So that's something that's definitely gonna need to be, you. 215 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 5: Know, looked at as you're going into the offseason, but 216 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 5: also something that you don't have much of an easier 217 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 5: challenge next week with the Philadelphia Eagles because Jalen Hurts 218 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 5: is another one of those mobile quarterbacks and those play extensions. 219 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 5: That's something that John Thagan and Nick Rolis are definitely 220 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 5: going to be looking at in this one as they 221 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 5: recap this game, review the tape, and then go into 222 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 5: next week. 223 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, Justin Fields was a huge part of the running 224 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 3: game for Little Herbert. Again. They racked up two hundred 225 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 3: and fifty rushing yards. 226 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 4: And I think what really kind of hurt to hear 227 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 4: after the game was a quote from Justin Fields to 228 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 4: one of the reporters in the Bears locker room saying, 229 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 4: when I would hand the ball off, there were like 230 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 4: highways out there. 231 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 6: So he was here, they were slow, he said, the 232 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 6: defensive line was slow. 233 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 3: Sane. Well, and you mentioned this. 234 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 4: You already started behind the eight ball with some injuries 235 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 4: coming out of camp, and then you have the attrition 236 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 4: of the season. We all know that's not easy at all, 237 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 4: and it was a team that you know, the resources 238 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 4: on that defensive line, it was just difficult to be 239 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 4: able to build that this season. I think they'll be 240 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 4: able to do more there obviously next year. But look, 241 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 4: the thing that you pointed out, Zach is the fight 242 00:09:59,440 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 4: is there. 243 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: So that is a great sign. 244 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 4: But yeah, you have had so many injuries on this 245 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 4: line as far as looking slow. You know, again, the 246 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 4: Bears run game was really good yesterday, and yeah, the 247 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 4: effort from the defense, you know, again, the effort was there, 248 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 4: but they just didn't have quite the energy needed to 249 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 4: stop that because you had feel to I believe he 250 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 4: had ninety seven yards on the ground. 251 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 3: I mean, that was a major weapon for them. 252 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 4: And as the Bears try to figure out what to do, 253 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 4: I kind of put myself in their shoes of their 254 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 4: front office, because as much as he ended up struggling 255 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 4: in the passing game after that first half, he ended 256 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 4: up fifteen of twenty seven fo one hundred and seventy yards. 257 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 4: He can be such a weapon when he's running the 258 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 4: ball because he's so big. He's big, he can really 259 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 4: run with some him when he got loose on that 260 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 4: thirty nine yard scramble, this is a guy that you 261 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 4: hate to just toss off to the side, you know 262 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So it's a conundrum for them, But yeah, 263 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 4: that was concerning when you hear comments like that, like 264 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 4: while we were seeing a lot of open space out 265 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 4: there and the defensive side, you know, no one was 266 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 4: happy with that for the Cardinals. I'm sure it's not 267 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 4: easy to play on the road. They are all these 268 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 4: things that stack up. But next week it's got to 269 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 4: get better against Philadelphia. 270 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: Wasn't just the defensive line. 271 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: Fields has had the thirty three yard scramble in which 272 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: three different Cardinals defenders were shaken off by Field, So 273 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: not just on the D line. 274 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 5: Tackling definitely needs to be something that needs to be 275 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 5: improved because they have been able to shake him off 276 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 5: pretty easily, and there have been multiple moments where we've 277 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 5: seen the opposing team and obviously bringing down a guy 278 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 5: like Christian McCaffrey is very challenging. He's going to be 279 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 5: able to, you know, shrug off a couple of different tacklers, 280 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 5: but when it's your quarterback, like Justin Fields, and he's 281 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 5: able to shimmy away from it. There's multiple instances where 282 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 5: Roy Lopez was in the backfield and at least based 283 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 5: off TV, it looked like he was that close to 284 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 5: getting to him. But you really are that close away 285 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 5: from changing the outcome of a lot of these games 286 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 5: throughout the season. 287 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 4: Well, and Danny, you're right, thank you for mentioning that, 288 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 4: because it is not just on that d line. It's 289 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 4: a total team effort on defense. When you're stopping a 290 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 4: run game, there's a couple of levels to it, and 291 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 4: there just weren't enough plays made. It was just one 292 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 4: of those games where you didn't hear enough of those defenders' 293 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 4: names called making a play. The Bears had their way 294 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 4: with this team, and that's something that I understand. You're 295 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 4: undermanned and again this team most of the year they've 296 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 4: been in and this game ended up being eleven point game. 297 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 3: They've been in these games. 298 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 4: But you know, whether it's you know, we saw Jalen 299 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 4: Thompson with an interception that was a spark. 300 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 3: Need more of that. Haven't had enough of it. 301 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, haven't had enough of a pass rush either. The 302 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: Cardinals did break their streak after having three games without 303 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: a sack. Dante Stills had a sack on quarterback Justin Fields, 304 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: whoever that was negated by a holding penalty, and outside 305 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: linebacker Dennis Gardik ended up having one when he forced 306 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: Fields out of bounds at the line of scrimmage. Fields 307 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: had a lot of time in the pocket. It's not 308 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: just about sack numbers. It's also about pressures, hits, hurries. 309 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: Cardinals defense has not been able to put opposing quarterbacks 310 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: into duress situation, Zack. 311 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 5: That was one of the things we started off the 312 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 5: season with as one of the I remember one of 313 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 5: the first articles I wrote for Azycardinals dot Com is 314 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 5: the lack of the production when it comes to pass 315 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 5: rushing in terms of players you have to bring back. 316 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 6: You lost JJ Will and you lost Zach Allen. 317 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 5: Last year those two led the entire Cardinals defense with sacks, 318 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 5: and then the third person was Jonathan Ledbetter with one. 319 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 5: So definitely you had to bring a lot of production 320 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 5: in and you start to see a shift a little 321 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 5: bit in the beginning half when Dennis Gardeck and Xavin 322 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 5: Collins and Bijo Jallari were able to get to the quarterback, 323 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 5: they were able to get sacks, and you can start 324 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 5: to say, all right, this is a high motor, violence, 325 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 5: physical group on the defensive side of the ball because 326 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 5: of their ability to get to the backfield to meet 327 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 5: the running back right next to exactly where he started 328 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 5: off to play at the line of scrimmage, to get 329 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 5: to the quarterback and bring him down right away. For 330 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 5: those early sacks, you haven't been able to see much 331 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 5: of that lately because I'm not sure if as much 332 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 5: of it's because of the scheme. Now other teams see 333 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 5: your defensive scheme, they know what to expect, they know 334 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 5: what they're looking for. But the production in terms of 335 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 5: getting to the backfield, the Blitzer rate has been one 336 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 5: of the lowest in the previous couple weeks. 337 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 6: It's definitely an area that you're gonna have. 338 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 5: To look at because you can't give these quarterbacks five six, 339 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 5: seven seconds in the pocket because a quarterback like Justin Fields, 340 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 5: that's how they're able to hurt you with those play extensions. 341 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know that Nick Rolis is trying to 342 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 4: scheme this up so that they can create some pressure. 343 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, you need more 344 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 4: guys that can win. 345 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: That one on one matchup. 346 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 4: And I think just big picture, going into the season, 347 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 4: we were hoping that Xavin Collins might be able to 348 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 4: produce that. Yes, it's a new role for him, but 349 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 4: that was the hope. And then a rookie like bj Ojalai. 350 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 4: Again we've seen some things from him, but again not 351 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 4: enough to be able to replace. I mean, you're never 352 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 4: going to replace a guy like JJ Watt that was 353 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 4: never in the plan. But again, I think a lot 354 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 4: of times during the season we've seen some scheming that's 355 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 4: been able to produce a pass rush, but it's winning 356 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 4: those one on one matchups that's what has to change. 357 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 4: It makes the life of the coaching staff a lot 358 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 4: easier for sure, but unfortunately we didn't see a lot 359 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 4: of that for this against the Spars club. 360 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: Gard I did say postgame, if you're looking for a 361 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: silver lining, is that this defense, despite giving up twenty 362 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: one points the first have continue to stay in it, 363 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: stay calm, and execute on the next play. That's what 364 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: Gardik says is winning culture. That's what Gannon and the 365 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: rest of his coaching staff, this front office is trying 366 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: to build long term that winning culture. To hear one 367 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: of the leaders on the defense, that's what is happening 368 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: right now. Despite a twenty seven to sixteen loss to 369 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: the Bears in Chicago, is a good sign. 370 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: A good silver lining. 371 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 5: It is when you're going into the locker room and 372 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 5: you're you're down in the game, you have to try 373 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 5: to find something that makes you want to run. 374 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 6: Back out there with your team. 375 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 5: Hearing that from Dennis Gardak, one of your team captains, 376 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 5: that is huge because he has that's the type of mindset. 377 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 6: And a captain's gonna shoot it straight. 378 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 5: And if he did not feel that way, you know 379 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 5: that they're gonna You could just tell by the vibe 380 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 5: that they wouldn't be talking like that. 381 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 6: We've seen in years past. 382 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 5: You see it all across the league when the locker 383 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 5: room is not together. You see the type of result 384 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 5: in the type of impact that brings. And fortunately for 385 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 5: the Cardinals, you haven't gotten a glimpse of that all 386 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 5: season long. They have really bought into the identity in 387 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 5: the foundation that coach at Agan in Mansias for Michael 388 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 5: bidwore trying to build within this facility because they recognize that, yes, 389 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 5: obviously you're going for Super Bowls, you're going for NFC 390 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 5: West Championships, but you have to start somewhere, and this 391 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 5: is an organization. This is a team that is starting somewhere. 392 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 5: And that's why when you're down twenty one nothing, you're 393 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 5: not giving up because that's not the type of identity 394 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 5: this team wants to have. 395 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, and the Bears, you know, gave this Cardinals team 396 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 4: a little bit of a window in I mean, they 397 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 4: did not they were able to finish the game, which 398 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 4: if you're looking from the Bear side of things, you're 399 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 4: saying you're pleased with that. But you know, unfortunately, you know, 400 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 4: we're talking a lot about defense, but with that offense, 401 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 4: I think they were waiting for a spark. 402 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 3: They were waiting for something. 403 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 4: Again, the time of possession of this game was thirty 404 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 4: four plus minutes for the Bears to twenty five something 405 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 4: for the Cardinals. And again, it's a complimentary football. We 406 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 4: talk about it all the time, and we saw it yesterday. 407 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 4: I just think that defense can only do so much 408 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 4: when they're being punished with that run game. They were 409 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 4: looking for that spark, but again the fight being there, 410 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 4: the comments from Gardak to a man, I mean, look, 411 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 4: the NFL, we see it every you watch these you 412 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 4: know games each and every week. It is the best 413 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 4: league in the world. It is football at the highest level. 414 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 4: And so if you're not providing resistance, if you're not 415 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 4: giving that effort, it will show up. It'll be ugly 416 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 4: in these games. You know, this one looked like it 417 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 4: was getting to that point of getting out of hand, 418 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 4: but it really didn't. And I think you're going to 419 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 4: get to it in your turning point but I mean 420 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 4: when you see this Cardinals team be able to turn 421 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 4: the corner and make it a one score game, you're thinking, Okay, look, 422 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 4: they can make some noise here, or they can do something. 423 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 3: And that's if you're this coaching. 424 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 4: Staff, that's what you're looking at more than anything, I 425 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 4: think right now, and you're learning a lot about the 426 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 4: character of your players, and I think for the most 427 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 4: part it's been pretty good. Again a building block of 428 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 4: what you mentioned the culture here. 429 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: One spark on defense safety Jalen Thompson's interception in the 430 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: end zone which led to a Greg dort touchdown. That 431 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: was Thompson's fourth interception this year, a career high for him. 432 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: We've heard it time and time again from Gannon. Turnovers 433 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: is a winning step unless you're the Cardinals, who have 434 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: won the turnover battle eight times this year two and six. 435 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 6: Act. 436 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 5: You gotta be able to turn it around and got 437 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 5: to be able to produce points off of that. 438 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 6: Jalen Thompson's played great in Chicago. 439 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 5: The last time they were in Chicago in twenty twenty one, 440 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 5: he also had an interception over there. But I think 441 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,719 Speaker 5: in general, you got to be able to turn it 442 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 5: into points. Because when you just and if we think 443 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 5: about that game against the Houston Texans, they had three 444 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 5: turnovers in that and turned it into zero points. That 445 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 5: winning stat is definitely a winning stat. The exposed to 446 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 5: play battle and the turnover play battle. You win both 447 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 5: of those, there's a chance you're gonna win the game. 448 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 5: You win one of those, there's a chance you're gonna 449 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 5: win the game. If you're not turning into points. Though, 450 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 5: it's kind of like, all right, you're giving the ball 451 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 5: right back to. 452 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 4: The offense again, right, And I think that's the key 453 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 4: is most of the time you see that stat and 454 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 4: you kind of you know, I'm sure the data would 455 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 4: show that a lot of those do turn into touchdowns. 456 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 4: And when we saw it last week with the one 457 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 4: that was called back with Joey Blunt, I mean, that 458 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 4: could have provided a spark even in a game where 459 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 4: you know, it was very difficult to stop that forty 460 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,239 Speaker 4: nine ers team. But yeah, that's gonna be, you know, 461 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 4: something they're looking at for sure, trying to be able 462 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 4: to make plays that, you know, punching out the ball. 463 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 3: They practice that. You can see the defenders trying to 464 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 3: do that. 465 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 4: It's a battle out there Jalen Thompson again four interceptions 466 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 4: this year. As you mentioned, Danny, a career high. You 467 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 4: like to see that from him, But are there more guys? 468 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 4: They're dealing with a cornerback position that is so decimated 469 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 4: by injuries. 470 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 3: You know, Garrett Williams being out in. 471 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 4: This last game already you've had and then of course 472 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 4: one of the storylines of the season, which is Marco 473 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 4: Wilson not being able to get a hold on that 474 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 4: position really and being relegated to special teams. So again 475 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 4: more five firepower needed there. But that is such a 476 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 4: strange thing, Danny two and six. When you win the 477 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 4: turnover battle, there's one thing that you can count on 478 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 4: in the NFL. It's usually if you're gonna win that 479 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 4: turnover battle, you will win games. 480 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 3: And you're right, it just hasn't shown up for the Cardinals. 481 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: Just thirty two points off turnovers for the Cardinals not 482 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: good enough. That Greg Dortch touchdown in the fourth quarter 483 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: put the Cardinals down by just eight Zach. They decided 484 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: to go for it with the two point conversion. 485 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 5: Your turning point, turning point is going for on that 486 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,959 Speaker 5: two point conversion of failed attempt at that is one 487 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 5: of those plays that you at hindsight obviously we're gonna 488 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 5: be the now the Tuesday morning quarterback, and say, all right, 489 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 5: we shouldn't have gone for it. I think in general, though, 490 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 5: the way that the Cardinals have had success, or rather 491 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 5: lack thereof success when it comes to those two point conversions. 492 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 5: They showed on the TV the graphic right before they 493 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 5: lined up at the line of scrimmage and it said 494 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 5: three four to eleven on two point conversions throughout the season. 495 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 5: Now you can make that three for twelve. They have 496 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 5: not been able to get much going. And I'm not 497 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 5: sure if it's because you don't have those big bodies 498 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 5: that you could just toss the ball up and you know, 499 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 5: you hope somebody's gonna come down with it. But the momentum, 500 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 5: because your defense has stopped the Bears offense in the 501 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 5: second half, especially, and for Greg Dortch to start off 502 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 5: the second half with that forty yard kick return and 503 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 5: then to have that thirty eight yard scamper where he 504 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 5: was able to get into the end zone and juke 505 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 5: by all those players, the momentum is on your side. 506 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 5: And I recognize that the Cardinals did have the chance 507 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 5: to they got the ball back, they had the chance 508 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 5: to drive down the field. 509 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 6: They weren't able to produce anything. 510 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 5: Out of that, but that moment it was really it's 511 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 5: like a momentum killer in a tense because everything was 512 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 5: going your way. You could go for the field goal 513 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 5: and make it twenty four to seventeen, and you could 514 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 5: have that next score and you could tie the game up, 515 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 5: or you could go for the win then and just 516 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 5: in this case it's over six minutes to go, it 517 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 5: felt a little too early. 518 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's something that again is analytics have 519 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 4: changed things in the way that you approach a game. 520 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 4: And Jonathan Gennon certainly has his philosophies, but it would 521 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 4: have you know, I think just the mental boost of 522 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 4: let's get it to seven points, you know, and then 523 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 4: it would have been twenty four to seventeen. But the 524 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 4: bigger issue, Zach, and I'm sure what the coaching staff 525 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 4: is looking at, is why are they so bad with 526 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 4: trying to convert these three and eleven now three for 527 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 4: twelve on two point conversions. 528 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 3: That's an area that you've got to get better. 529 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 4: Also with a guy like Kyler Murray who can use 530 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 4: his legs it's just another threat, you would hope. And 531 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 4: you know you've seen Drew Petsen scheme up plays that definitely. 532 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 4: You know, between the twenties it's a lot easier. 533 00:21:58,640 --> 00:21:59,239 Speaker 3: We all know that. 534 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 4: But when you're looking at something into the end zone, 535 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 4: you know, what can you do there? But yeah, all 536 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 4: in all, you know, Greg Dortsch, I just want to 537 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 4: go back to that play. That's the play that you 538 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 4: know at the Christmas Eve celebrations. You know, it got 539 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 4: everyone rising out of their chairs, you know, and and hey, 540 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 4: let's go the Cardinals might be able to come back 541 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 4: and make something happen here. And that brought a lot 542 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 4: of the i think excitement to fans that thought, Okay, 543 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 4: this game's been kind of you know, you're disappointed with 544 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 4: the way that it's gone thus far, but how are 545 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 4: they going to claw back into this one? And you 546 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 4: love to see the move that he made going left 547 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 4: and then going right, and they just needed more of that. 548 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 4: And again it speaks to the wide receivers when you 549 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 4: don't have weapons and playmakers that can have explosive plays 550 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 4: like that. 551 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 3: So they needed more. 552 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 4: But that was that was a moment for sure, and 553 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 4: to your point of the two point conversion not being 554 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 4: made being the turning point. 555 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it kind of felt like things. 556 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 4: It was, first of all, kind of questioning, you know, 557 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 4: maybe you just kick it there, or how can we 558 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 4: keep that momentum flying by being able to get that 559 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 4: two point conversion. 560 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 5: I think one of the biggest reasons why you do 561 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 5: kick it is because of how the Bears have played 562 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 5: in the fourth quarter. They are tied for the lead 563 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 5: in the history of the NFL, three blown ten plus 564 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 5: point leads going into the fourth quarter. When you're able 565 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 5: to score in that fourth quarter, and I know the 566 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 5: reporters in the Chicago media, we're asking Matt Eberflus and 567 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 5: a lot of the players there, did you feel like 568 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 5: here we go again? But that sort of play really 569 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 5: does shift the tide a little bit because you start saying, Okay, 570 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 5: we got them. 571 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 6: They've had our numbers so far in this fourth quarter. 572 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 5: A lot of teams so far this year have had 573 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 5: our number in the fourth quarter. But by stopping the 574 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 5: Cardinals on that two point conversion, that does change it. 575 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,959 Speaker 5: And we were talking about a little bit offset. We 576 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 5: appreciate the aggressiveness also. 577 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 6: On fourth down. 578 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 5: They're now eleven to thirty though in a lot of 579 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 5: those games you are coming from behind. You have to 580 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 5: try to get something going, but the aggressiveness you have 581 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 5: to sometimes tam it a little bit. 582 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 2: Probably a good look into the future. 583 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: What we can expect to see under Jonathan Gannon is 584 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: that aggressiveness on fourth down, going for it on those 585 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: two point conversions. You're just missing the personnel right now, YEA. 586 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 5: Something you need that that game changer, that's kind of 587 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 5: that's going to try to get in somebody that you 588 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 5: could match with Kyler Murray, because when you need those 589 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 5: two yards, the field gets a lot smaller at that 590 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,719 Speaker 5: and you need somebody that's going to be able to 591 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 5: get that separation out there to hopefully get you those 592 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 5: two points. 593 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: Let's pull out the white boards for songbirds. 594 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 2: I'm staying in the holiday spirit that I am. 595 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 3: I am as well, I am as well, so. 596 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 5: I'm still going optimistic, but I always end up going 597 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 5: back to the roots. 598 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 3: I'm going with, oh, whoops, I made it to a race. 599 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 3: I really have to actually erase. 600 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 4: When I'm when I'm writing the words, Danny were glad 601 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 4: to see that it wasn't too chilly out there for you. 602 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 2: I'm very appreciative of that. 603 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: I was getting a little tired of hearing people from 604 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: Chicago saying how nice the weather felt, because it was 605 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: in the low forties compared to one it typically is 606 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: on Chris Miss Eve. And I'm sitting there in a massive, 607 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: massive coat that's going down to my calves, a beanie, gloves, handwarmers. 608 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 2: I am cold. 609 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't really care that it's warm for you. 610 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: I am still very cold, very grateful though that it 611 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: was dry. Yeah, and we weren't dealing with rain or snow, 612 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: so not too windy either. 613 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 4: I took a sneak peck at your board, and this 614 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 4: is the first time this has happened. 615 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. 616 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 7: We were just a little too quiet by the offense 617 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 7: and not too many plays made, big plays by the defense. 618 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 3: But Danny, you and I are right there the same page. 619 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 2: I also went with Silent Night. 620 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 3: I moved some. 621 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: Stars Silent Night. Kind of surprised it took us this long, 622 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: but I'm same waveling Jody. It was just it was 623 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: too quiet of a night from the Cardinals offense. The 624 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: defense too quiet, at least in the first half, only 625 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: giving up two field goals in the second, just not 626 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: good enough from a collective effort. You didn't have that 627 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: complimentary football. Nothing was really working. No rhythm created too quiet, 628 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: too silent for me, Zach, what was your sequity? 629 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 3: Got something different? Obviously silent night. 630 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 6: I went to Chicago and I went with Chance the Rappers. 631 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 5: All we got, I mean, and I can't even get 632 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 5: excited about this one. 633 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 6: Try here we got everybody. 634 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 5: The reason no, I the reason why I put all 635 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 5: we Got is because of the quote that Dennis Gardak 636 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 5: did say to Darren and the one that we've spoken about, 637 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 5: because of the fight that this team does have. Because 638 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 5: you got that, because you have the togetherness of it. 639 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 5: As you're going through the latter half of this season, 640 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 5: it's very easy to start pointing fingers. This team hasn't 641 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 5: done that. This team is not doing that. And I 642 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 5: know that a lot of those like pregame huddles, you 643 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 5: say all we got, all we need. This is a 644 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 5: team that truly does abide by that, and you gotta 645 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 5: go with to Chicago Roots a Chance to Rapper. I 646 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 5: know Kanye is on the song, the Chicago Children's choirs 647 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 5: on it, So it's very festive towards Chicago it's very 648 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 5: very native towards them. 649 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's interesting because these seasons are are 650 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 4: hard and you never want them, you don't expect them. 651 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 4: But you know, going into this one with your quarterback, 652 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 4: you know, your franchise quarterback that was injured coming back, 653 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 4: and so yeah, to have that vibe in the in 654 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 4: the locker room and still be upbeat, still be ready 655 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 4: to fight, it's a good sign. It's gonna get really 656 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 4: hard again. Having to go back you know, Chicago's the Midwest, 657 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 4: but having to go cross country on a holiday weekend. 658 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 4: It's another fight for this team against a very good 659 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 4: Eagles team and then another game against Seattle. So definitely, 660 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 4: you know, Zach, as you brought up a couple of times, now, 661 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 4: you like to see that. But you know, it's also 662 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 4: an opportunity for guys to put some terrific play out 663 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 4: on tape, whether they're gonna be here or someone else 664 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 4: or somewhere else, and so you want to see, you know, 665 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 4: again going back to Danny and I in our song, 666 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 4: don't make it a silent night, Make something happen. 667 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 3: Disrupt one way or the other. 668 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 4: And I think it's you know, it can't all be 669 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 4: on Kyler Murray. He's got to have weapons that show up, 670 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 4: and we hope to see that in Philly and against Seattle. 671 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 2: Back to back road games. 672 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: Cardinals go from Christmas Eve in Chicago to New Year's 673 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 1: Eve in Philadelphia, going up against the eleven and four 674 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: philadel Alfia Eagles. It's an eleven am kickoff Mountain Standard time. 675 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: Sunday. 676 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: Gannon is making his return to Philly against his former 677 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: team where he was the defensive coordinator. Zach, you're also 678 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: making your return. 679 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 6: To phillyre you go, I'm back home. I'm just giving 680 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 6: a sneak peek. It's gonna be a Philadelphia rapper. Sorry, 681 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 6: next week it's. 682 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 3: Gonna it's gonna meet Milk. You gotta meet Mill, right, 683 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 3: going with Meek Mill. 684 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 1: But I think when you plan out picking the same 685 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: but I. 686 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 5: Got I got my rappers, like I might go like 687 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 5: little like underground type rapping at that point. 688 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 6: No, I think. 689 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 5: I think with this we talk about the holiday spirit 690 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 5: and it being another one. What better way to ring 691 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 5: in the new year than with the victory against Jonathan 692 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 5: Gannon's old team. 693 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: Revenge game for Zach and revenge game for Jonathan Gannon. 694 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: We'll be talking about it right here on Morning Scramble 695 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: afterwards for Jody Jackson and Zach Gershman. 696 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 2: I'm Janny Surreig. 697 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us here on Morning Turn, 698 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: but we'll catch all right here next time.