WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Is Dak Getting a Fair Shot? 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:04.960 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:16.320 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:20.200 Screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:31.400 Star in Frisco. Elliott, Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought Us, 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:37.360 Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones, and welcome to a Thursday 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:43.320 edition of Talking Cowboys. I'd say we're about halfway to 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:46.560 the Lions game and we have a halfway edition of 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.640 Talking Cowboys to get started. We're in the halfway house. 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.519 Oh now, we're in the three quarters house. Mickey, you 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:54.800 might want to get that door as you come in here. 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:58.720 Mickey Spagnola, after doing local radio, it brought us is missing. 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:03.000 Brought us is missing an act to start the show today. 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:07.440 That's serious. If he is, it's exactly right, because there's 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:10.760 no one as committed to this show as Brian brought us. 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.560 Wouldn't you say no, I'd say, Mickey's pretty close. Yeah. 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:15.839 But when you're doing when you're writing scoutside, you gotta 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:17.679 make sure your eyes are good and checked and the 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.120 vision is good. And that's where he's at right now. Okay, 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:22.520 the eye doctor. He couldn't change it and hopefully he's 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:24.240 back by the end of the show. We'll see. Okay, 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:27.039 he plans to be here, So we turned the halfway 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.520 house into the three quarters House for now. Was he 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:32.759 having trouble with his eyes or I just think it's 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:36.119 a regular checkup, nothing, nothing to be armed about. Yeah. 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.760 I think he's fine. We're all healthy. You're healthy. I 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:43.400 am healthy. People questioning his eyesight when it comes to 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:48.640 some players or watching tape, right, where's out exactly? Yeah, 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.080 that's that could be a problem. You can understand that 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.760 part of the gig. Yeah, that's right. This is my 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:56.200 eye appointment. I guess I can miss talking cowboys if 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:59.200 I have an eye important. Oh boy, I'm just joking. 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:03.160 Oh god, all right, No, I have one coming up. Okay, Yeah, 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:07.000 I've put off mine. I'm I've been getting I've getting 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.880 text messages from my IDA. Well, you know, here's the deal. 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:14.400 I mean, I wear glasses to read, right, So I 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:16.600 go in every year and I know what they're gonna 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:18.959 tell me, Well, yeah, your eyes aren't getting any better. 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:20.799 It's like, I don't need you to tell me that 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:24.399 they told you cataract surgery. No, they have not told 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.040 me that you've told me that. Really, Yeah, it's a 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:34.160 cataractor glaucoma. Cataract glaucoma surgery. You guys aren't that old. 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:37.799 It happened because, yeah, you start not seeing well at night. 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:40.400 I haven't really noticed that. I just wait for a 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:42.560 regular check up. And he said, you know what, we 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:45.040 probably you'd probably need to have cataract surgery because I've 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.760 always wanted to do the laser. I'll wark contacts, right, 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:51.520 And Ninny tells me it's just I mean, I wouldn't 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:53.799 even need contacts anymore, so why not get it done. 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:56.120 Then I talked to all these other people. They've have 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:58.040 had it done. It's no problem, you know, But I 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:00.600 just haven't done it, you know. Yeah, he said that 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.440 at some point it'll be You'll just wake up one 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.040 day and it's you'll be I don't know if it's 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.800 is it cloud over? Yeah? Exactly how how it works. 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:12.000 And then I'm told that when you're driving, like at night, 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:14.880 the I drive at night a lot, the lights, the 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.799 lights coming at you, it starts glaring like it's not clear, 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.639 and that's kind of an idea that it's coming out 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:25.800 like driving drunk. Well, I don't know about that, not 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:30.000 that I do that. It's the same effect. Yeah, maybe 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:33.679 we're not all that healthy on this show. I mean, 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.360 you know what, you know what, young Rob over there, 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:38.960 this is what you have to look forward to, you 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.440 know what. The trainers, The trainers have all He's told 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:43.520 me that. You you know, when they check somebody's back 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.320 and they got a little something wrong, he goes, you 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:48.000 know what, if I checked your back, I probably find 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:50.800 you know, nine out of ten people have something wrong 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.400 that they don't know, and you just kind of live 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:57.000 with it. Yeah, it's like you're you're you're spine, you know, 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.040 the curvage, you know, not right, And if you don't 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.400 know about it, that's that's because you don't think about it. 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:03.480 Then that's so it makes it worse when you think 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:06.400 about it. Like I haven't thought about cataract surgery in 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:08.800 a year and I've been just fine. So if I 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:12.400 just quit thinking about it, that I won't need it. Yes, yeah, 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:15.280 but you don't want the glock coma Okay, yeah, okay, Yeah, 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:26.760 my grandmother hadad Yeah, okay, And so we await the 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.360 arrival of Brian brought us at a full report on 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.480 his I docked your appointment coming up shortly. Here, I'm 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:36.000 talking cowboys. I hope it's better than his finger report. 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:39.120 What was that? Well, he's had trouble with his fingers, right, 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.880 I think we're okay, We're okay, We're okay, we're okay. 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.560 At least we don't have any It was your foot 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:53.880 infectious disease visit to the infectious disease doctor. I was cleared, okay, 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:57.479 told me that everything was fine on Sunday or yes, 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:01.240 I'm ready to go. I I'm not even listed on 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.760 the injury report. All right, I gotta all right. I've 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:08.680 got a second daughter now that listens to talking cowboys, 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:12.400 and she's learning so much about football, and so we'll 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.680 get eventually get to football. Here. What was her text yesterday? 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.880 Let me see here you find it. You know it's 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:22.400 somewhere on a group text. Let me go back to 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:28.040 the group text. You guys are in a little He 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.000 played that one yesterday. I heard it. I heard it. 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:33.120 I listened to the show yesterday. Aren't you proud of me? Yes? Yet? 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:36.040 That that's why I figured we didn't need football football 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:40.440 talk today? Um? What did she say? I'm learning so 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:45.320 much about football thanks to Dad's podcast. Where you go. 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:48.000 All right, So we've got Jordan and Jessica board. Just 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:53.080 need to get Jennifer aboard now. But but Jordan said something, 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:56.560 it's it's so fun when y'all pick on Mickey. Oh, thanks, 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:00.640 I appreciate that. It's my favorite thing. Okay, all right, 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:05.040 all right, who's got a report from practice yesterday? Rob Phillips, 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.080 does you want to pass it over to me? And 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:11.680 then that information? Uh, there were a couple guys limited 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:15.200 in the game and the practice. Jeff Heath, why don't 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.880 you pass it to me and I'll do it Beasley, 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.880 I'll just go ahead and do it here since I 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.640 wrote the update. MALIEK. Collins, Travis Frederick, of course, Shawn 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:29.640 Lee not practicing. Don't expect Sean to play in this game. 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:34.320 Not sure about Malik uh Cole Beasley limited, Jeff Heath limited, 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:38.000 Antoine Woods has a groin injury. Their new defensive tackle. 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:42.040 He was limited, DeMarcus Lawrence Xavier Woods full. So I 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:43.840 think and I think they feel pretty good about Jeff 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.840 Heath playing this game too. Um, he's just trying to 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.919 be He's a football player. He's a football players playing football. 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:52.760 I think he's trying to up his workload as the 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:54.920 week goes on. I think that's right. That's what he said, 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.600 that Wednesday is not a good day, but by Sunday 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.520 it becomes good. He said he got his ankles stepped on, 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.880 so it's more of a bruise than a sprain, it 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.520 sounds like. And he came back and finished the game, 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.679 so he said, yesterday, yeah, I mean he was limited. 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:12.480 I saw him when they were doing drills and he 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.760 was just kind of watching. But he'll be there, don't 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:19.440 you worry about that. Layton Vanderesh had about forty media 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.080 members around his locker yesterday, which happens to be right 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.320 next to Sean Lee's. He's not sure if that was 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:31.720 by design, that was no, let's assured. There's a reason 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.000 that you're next to Shawn Lee. He must not have 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.560 read my mix shot last week when I pointed that out, 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:40.160 and it's like, this didn't just have Yeah, that's not coincident. 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.800 Now there's a locker in between him, right, Yeah, But 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.240 that's Sean's benefit. You know, if you're one of the captains, 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.080 are the big vets on this team, you kind of 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.480 get a break. You get an extra locker because you 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:53.560 can have a big group around you for interviews. There 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:55.920 you go. That's the sole reason they do that. Yeah, right, 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:00.200 the only reason. Yeah, I don't know. I think, uh, 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:02.520 I don't have a feel for Sean right now, but 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:06.960 I don't this week. I don't think looks good. And well, 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:11.440 I can tell you rather definitively that it's not looking 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.520 good for this week. Yeah. I've been missus at least 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:18.480 two games, he asked Jason Garrett during the Well, you'll 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.680 see it on the Jason Garrett Show, and normally we 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:25.280 don't discuss injuries whatever, but I mean everybody's day to day. 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:31.040 He basically said that, yeah, we'll be without Sean this week. Yeah. Yeah, 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:35.000 what you can hear that Saturday night is Saturday Night eleven. 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:38.240 It gets posted on Dallas Cowboys dot com as well, 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.280 so it's no secret. And and the gist of the 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:44.559 question was, you're better fortified at that position now. They 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:47.679 feel better about it knowing that if they probably were 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:49.640 going to face this at some point during this season, 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.200 because it's happened every year. Well, and I think that 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:56.079 was the impetus for using that first round draft choice 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:59.360 on LVE. You know, it's like, Okay, we need a 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.800 more depth at this linebacker spot, and I think they 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:05.800 acquired it, but not only with him, but Joe Thomas too, 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.880 And of course they were also filling the loss of 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:13.160 Anthony Hitchenses. Yeah, absolutely, you know, and they you know. 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:17.000 And and the other good thing is is I think 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:21.079 Jalen Smith's more qualified now. And that's the first thing 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:24.600 that Jason said is he talked about Jaylen Smith being 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:28.719 more qualified to be able to fill those shoes. Now 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.680 it's a matter of who's going to fill his leadership shoes. 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:35.760 Who's going to fill the shoes that says, Okay, we're 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.960 in zone coverage here, Cavan, you know, make sure you're 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:41.640 deep here when the guy gets past you not have 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:46.280 a fifty two yard coverage bust like they did against Seattle. 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.560 And those are the things I think Sean, you know, 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:52.520 brings to the table more than anything else. Now, drive 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:55.600 or whatever it was. After the Cowboys pulled within striking 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.720 distance in the late third quarter of that game and 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.840 Lee was not on the feet, Yeah, exactly, somebody's got 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:03.920 to take charge. And I don't expect it to be 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:07.240 vander Esh. Yeah you think so, and and you probably 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:09.959 we talked about this yesterday the difference without Sean and there, 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:12.120 I mean, Anthony Hitchens is a guy that got paid 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:13.880 a lot of money to go somewhere else and be 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.920 a starter, And there was a difference when he was 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.200 the point man instead of Sean Lee. So it just 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:23.400 shows you kind of he's a rare guy in terms 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.440 of his instincts and his preparation. But I was impressed 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:28.280 listening to vander Esh in terms of just kind of 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:30.360 tell you can tell he's a serious guy. And his 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:33.720 teammates talk about it too. He sounded confident. Yeah, you know, 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:37.600 if I'm out there and that's my job, I'm speaking up. 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:39.600 You know. You can you can see it the way 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:42.280 they play on the field too, how quickly they react. 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.880 And I've see that with Layton vander Esh. His instincts 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:49.480 out there. He's reading things, uh, you know, getting better 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.040 and better all the time. But for a rookie just 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:54.640 watching him and even to be in position to make 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:57.319 eleven tackles in a game, you've got to be reading 0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:59.960 and reacting, especially when it's one out of three snow 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.400 apps you're in, I mean, thirty three snaps and he 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.800 makes eleven stops. It's pretty darn good average of course, 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:10.200 Sean Lee had about eleven on that first time he tied, 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.120 he had eleven two and he basically they bought played 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:16.719 the same amount of snaps. I think it was the 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.680 other thing. Vanderesh was out there the second series of 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.920 the game. Sean was not out there the second series, 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.920 and it was it was vander Esh and Jalen Smith 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.080 out there, and so they were. And I don't know 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:32.320 if if it was by design just because of the 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:35.359 hamstring that he was already dealing with the right hamstring 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.040 right that they were planning on having Vanderesh out there 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:41.040 the second series of the game, or something cropped up. 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:45.560 But yeah, um but anyway, I um boy, there's one 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:47.319 play if you go back and look at the coaches 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:50.480 film with a Lee and we see it, We've seen 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:54.800 it throughout his career. He it was a it was 0:11:54.840 --> 0:12:00.160 a play fake to the left offenses left side. He 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.000 goes over there and basically was in position to make 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:06.440 the tackle there, and then they tossed it right and 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:09.520 he got all the way back over to the other 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.079 side of the field and made the tackle over there. 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:14.559 He basically made two He tackled two running backs or 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.839 on one play. I mean it was amazing. Sean. Yeah. Yeah, 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.360 he tackled the fake guy, fake guy, and he got 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:23.200 over about twenty five yards over and made the other tackle. 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.719 And there was a player vanderes for about one yard game. 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:28.880 I mean, yeah, yeah, vander Esh can show you that too, 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.000 his ability to go across the field. He did that 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:33.640 in the game against Seattle. He did another. He just 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:36.240 he does have all the tools. I mean, Will Disley, 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.560 there's their young tight end trying to block him, just 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:42.240 tossing him aside, shedding that block, getting a tackle behind 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:44.959 the line of scrimmage. Plus look at his frame and 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:48.080 you can see you can just see how he's gonna 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:51.960 fill out in an NFL weight room. Just got to 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:55.319 make sure he stays healthy. Yeah. Absolutely, And that's kind 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:57.559 of the other impressive thing about it, um And I 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.320 asked him about it, just the fact, I mean, the 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:02.800 guy missed two two and a half weeks a training 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.560 camp at the end for a rookie not in there, 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.400 and then out out there doing a lot of the offseasons. Man, 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.640 did he play in a preseason game. He played in 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:14.800 the first one, the first one, I don't know if 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:16.480 he played in the last. He certainly didn't play in 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.560 the last one. He didn't play in the last Yeah, 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.120 he might have only played in the opener. So yeah, 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.600 he you know, give him credit for staying ready and 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.720 staying on his keys. And now, I mean he might 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.440 play fifty snaps in this game. We'll just have to see. 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:33.240 I think he's a serious football player. Ye. He's got 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.719 a good mentor right next to him, and Sean Lee 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:39.559 stays invested in it even when he is injured, and 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.400 which he pointed out too, It's like Sean might not 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.440 be there, but he's there with us and he's grind. 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:47.680 And that's one of the things, you know, because I 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:49.800 was the president of the Shan Lee fan club, but 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:53.720 before he was drafted, here were you and he was 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.319 in the he was in the greenbinder. It's very highly 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.800 I discovered him. I got two linebackers that year and 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:03.120 twenty ten, about two weeks before the draft, and I 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.240 discovered him. And back the way I'd do it a 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.720 lot of times. It's just I try to find out 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.880 as much information about the player as I can. And 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:15.959 Penn State had a great video out there on Sean 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.280 Lee when he was hurt, and it would showed him 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:23.720 he basically was an extra coacher coach on their staff. Yes, yes, 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:25.320 And so I'm reading all this stuff about it, and 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:29.760 then I see visual evidence of how and how he 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:33.320 cared about the team and he's he's like a coach 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.680 on the field. And then his measurables measured up and 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:38.440 then you look at it come by workout and you're 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:41.280 going wow. I mean, this was a first round talent, 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.160 but he had the injury issue and that's why he 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.320 slid to the to the second round. But it was 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.600 that video of him coaching up the Penn State players 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.800 where I said, that's the right kind of guy right there, 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:53.520 and this is the guy. In fact, I was in 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.560 favor of taking him in. Of course, they took Dez 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.240 in the first round, and I didn't think Dez would 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:00.200 fall all the way to twenty five or whatever it was. 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:01.880 I was in favor of taking shin Lee in the 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:05.040 first round. I was so much on him at that time. 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:09.280 But that is what he's all about, and so when 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:12.400 he when he has been hurt in his career, he 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:18.120 is invested in teaching. Whoever is backup is everything and 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.600 the people he plays alongside. You know, it was interesting 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.400 last night we had walk Garrison on the Cowboys Legend Show, 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.000 and he was talking about Don Perkins, who of course 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.720 is in the Ring of Honor, and uh, you know, 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.200 back then, the fullback carried the football. He was a 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.480 primary running back as well, but he also had to 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.920 block and everything. And Walt was talking about perk um 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:44.400 and couldn't catch a cold called in a blizzard. That's 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.000 why Walk got an opportunity to play on third downs. 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:51.400 But his point was Perk taught him how to play 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.040 fullback in the National Football League. He said he learned 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.400 a lot more from Don Perkins than he did Tom 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:59.240 Landry about playing in the in the National Football League, 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.880 and he said in Walt said, he asked Perk one time, 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.480 he said, why are I'm your backup? I'm trying to 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:06.760 take your job. Why are you teaching me? I said, well, 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:08.520 because it's for the good of the team. I want 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:10.200 to win and I want you to be as prepared 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:12.800 as possible if I go down. Yeah, also says a 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.680 lot about Don Perkins confidence in his own ability. Then no, 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:17.880 rookie's going to come in here and take my spot. 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:21.160 But he wants to, and so Walk. When Robert Newhouse 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.120 came along in the seventies. Walk Garrison was the guy 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.760 that he could because he had learned from Perkins, this 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.080 is what you do. This is the Cowboys way, so 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:32.840 to speak. Yeah, to teach your underling, you know, how 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:37.080 to do this job, kind of pay it forward and try. Yeah. 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.840 And it was always He's told that story so many 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.760 times about like why are you doing this? I want 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.440 to beat you out, you know, and yeah, and and 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:48.560 and it's kind of interesting because he was pointing out 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:52.480 when you come out of college in those days, he 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:56.320 didn't know anything about blocking schemes or different you know, 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.520 things that they had to do. And it's like Perk 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.960 would tell them, you know, and uh, yeah, it's kind 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.520 of a great life lesson, you know. Mickey Spagnola did 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.840 the same to a young Robin fill Ye about fourteen 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.399 years ago. When did you first start working here? The 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:15.399 first time around? I interned um Sells first hand with 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.960 you on that little computer on topic Cowboys had. That 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:21.480 was the next year, right, I had the kindergarten table 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.200 in two thousand and four, and I think that's when 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.200 we start with This was a TV show, yeah, and 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.439 it is again now, right, but it was. It was 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.600 the television network that's right, Cowboys channel. It's off in 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.800 a corner over there. That two thousand and four was yeah, 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:38.159 I was fourteen years ago cast TV right, yeah, six 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.600 four and my knees are above the table emails for 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.760 you guys. We had six viewers and my mom and 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:48.440 dad were two of them. It's about right. 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