Speaker 1: Loud and Quiet presents Midnight Chats.
Speaker 2: Hey everyone, good evening. It's me again Stuart Stubbs, the
Speaker 2: man with the beautiful monotone voice, for another introduction to
Speaker 2: the Loud and Quiet podcast. Thank you for downloading episode
Speaker 2: forty six of Midnight Chat. My guests tonight are bona
Speaker 2: fide friends of Loud and Quiet. Old Jay have become
Speaker 2: one of the biggest bands in the UK and they
Speaker 2: do pretty well overseas as well, particularly America, where they
Speaker 2: are bigger than they are back home. Even they play
Speaker 2: huge shows wherever they go and currently are in the
Speaker 2: States where they will close out one of the stages
Speaker 2: at Coachella this year. Over the next two weekends, we
Speaker 2: go back a little bit. Old Jay have experienced a
Speaker 2: hell of a lot of success that has absolutely nothing
Speaker 2: to do with their very first single that we released
Speaker 2: here at Loud and Quiet. It genuinely has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with us, of course, but I do like to
Speaker 2: remind people that we were responsible for releasing their first
Speaker 2: single Whenever Jay are mentioned. That was back in twenty eleven,
Speaker 2: and since then they've released three albums, including last year's Relaxer,
Speaker 2: which we speak a little bit about in this conversation.
Speaker 2: Tom couldn't join us for this, so it's just myself,
Speaker 2: Gus and Joe, and we managed to tick off a
Speaker 2: hell of a lot of nonsense within the next forty
Speaker 2: five minutes or so, including famous people they've met, the
Speaker 2: shows that they play these days, and virtual reality.
Speaker 3: Naturally, we pick up.
Speaker 2: The conversation though with me asking Gus about his appearance
Speaker 2: on Christmas University Challenge. For people listening outside of the
Speaker 2: UK to this, University Challenge is basically an extremely intellectual
Speaker 2: quiz show where universities kind of flex their brains and
Speaker 2: nerd out on BBC two under the watchful eye of
Speaker 2: a complete madman called Jeremy Paxman. I'm pretty sure that's
Speaker 2: all you need to know. If you do like what
Speaker 2: you hear in this podcast, please do check back and
Speaker 2: listen to some of the previous ones. If this is
Speaker 2: your first time here, there are forty five for you
Speaker 2: to enjoy. Maybe don't start at the very beginning because
Speaker 2: we really didn't know what we were doing back then,
Speaker 2: and please do subscribe for all future episodes. For now, though,
Speaker 2: presuming you haven't fallen asleep, I will leave you with
Speaker 2: Gus Aunger Hamilton and Joe Newman on episode forty six
Speaker 2: of Midnight Chats. I had a TV question for you guys.
Speaker 2: It's mainly for Gus, but Joe chime in on this
Speaker 2: because I also want your opinion on it. Last Christmas Hscan,
Speaker 2: I was watching University Challenge.
Speaker 4: Was was this a repeat of it would have been
Speaker 4: a repeat it was? It was on Christmas twenty sixteen?
Speaker 3: So you were you were on it? It was on
Speaker 3: I wasn't.
Speaker 5: I got the final leads the team I was on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this final was the one I saw great, didn't
Speaker 2: quit myself did pretty badly. I was Nicholas, what was
Speaker 2: the So this is the the I mean, they don't
Speaker 2: call it celebrity University Challenge.
Speaker 5: Christmas University Change. It's alumni.
Speaker 4: They call it like distinct wished alumni, because I think
Speaker 4: that sometimes they get I mean, I'm not you know,
Speaker 4: for example, I'm not a celebrity, but I suppose I'm
Speaker 4: in a band. But like they had on, I think
Speaker 4: somebody dropped out of one of the teams, and so
Speaker 4: they just got somebody who was like now an academic
Speaker 4: and I can say, oh, you know, this person is
Speaker 4: an expert in you know magnate magnet, magnet magnets, magnets,
Speaker 4: you know, and so I mean that they're not you know,
Speaker 4: you can They're still distinguished, They're just not like famous.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: Okay, firstly, Joe, why why weren't you on this team?
Speaker 6: I well, initially I was asked, I was asked you,
Speaker 6: and you know.
Speaker 3: I.
Speaker 6: Essentially I was I was just like, I am not
Speaker 6: the quiz master in the band. I think Gus is
Speaker 6: master of quizzes. And I offered, I offered the job
Speaker 6: to Gus.
Speaker 5: You passed it over, you know, like like a question
Speaker 5: did to the other side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you instantly to be Yeah, I'm taking completely.
Speaker 4: I mean I was like I was, I was hurt,
Speaker 4: an upset, and you know, not not with Joe. But
Speaker 4: I was just like I was gutted that they asked Joe,
Speaker 4: not like and I was like, it looks there's any
Speaker 4: chance they want, you know, somebody who's not the lead singer.
Speaker 4: I'd kill for this because I really, like, I did.
Speaker 4: I really grew up watching it. I love quizzies, I
Speaker 4: love general knowledge, and it's just you know, it was
Speaker 4: a dream and actually I never I didn't when I
Speaker 4: was at university. I didn't ever see any I never
Speaker 4: heard of, like, you know, apply for the lead team
Speaker 4: or whatever. So I sort of missed missed the boat.
Speaker 4: So luckily they were like, yeah, great, well love Gus.
Speaker 3: And then they were like Gussard, we wanted, we wanted Joe.
Speaker 6: But I thing is, Gus is media trained, and I
Speaker 6: think just because you know, you've had a good upbringing
Speaker 6: and you know you're you know how to kind of
Speaker 6: work the crowd and stuff, I think you have that
Speaker 6: gift and I think he should be part of a
Speaker 6: number of the sort of media productions.
Speaker 3: I did get.
Speaker 5: I think I got, I got off.
Speaker 3: I think I got of it.
Speaker 5: Mastermind, Well I think.
Speaker 3: As a result of it, yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Think mastermind, celebrity master chef. Who do you think you are?
Speaker 6: Maybe the Bacoff.
Speaker 3: But yes, there's the.
Speaker 6: Four that I think Gus would do really really well,
Speaker 6: excelling because you've got a really interesting family history. He's
Speaker 6: a very good cook, he's good at the general knowledge.
Speaker 6: So I think these are most I think most of
Speaker 6: these are deep sea based.
Speaker 2: But you know you've got I won't do it. I
Speaker 2: won't do commercials. Bake Offf's now gone over, that's true.
Speaker 2: What Gus, What would Joe be good at him?
Speaker 3: I think Joe would be good on you know, on
Speaker 3: count You know that thing.
Speaker 4: Like on countdown when somebody sits next to the person
Speaker 4: with the dictionary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that because you're very good at helping and like an,
Speaker 3: we're very sort of guy, Doug.
Speaker 4: You know, you wouldn't want to be the person with
Speaker 4: the dictionary because you're not that into dictionaries and stuff.
Speaker 4: But I think that you'd be you'd be charming at
Speaker 4: the elbow of Susan. Susie, I feel like I've damned
Speaker 4: you with fame praise there. But you can be gone
Speaker 4: on spring Watch as well.
Speaker 3: You like how I was play an animal? Yeah? What
Speaker 3: about Pointless? Then the two if you could go?
Speaker 4: Oh, team counter and my friend went on Pointless and
Speaker 4: didn't didn't do well.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, one of our writers and a friend went
Speaker 2: on points he got to the finals.
Speaker 4: It's blooming hard the final, Yeah it is. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: had a I was watching it the other day. This
Speaker 4: is what you do when you're not on tour, you
Speaker 4: watch TV. And then there was it was like films.
Speaker 4: It was like actors in I think it was Coen
Speaker 4: Brothers films or something, and they basically picked like films
Speaker 4: or something, and this mother and daughter just had no
Speaker 4: idea about any of these films and so they just
Speaker 4: had They were just like guess actors in these films.
Speaker 4: They just they were just making up. They were just
Speaker 4: guessing actors, like who do we like Helen Mirren? She's
Speaker 4: always good And it was just it was very funny. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm not telling her very well.
Speaker 2: So what was Paxman like then on University Challenge? Was
Speaker 2: he a nice because I like PACs Men?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was nice.
Speaker 4: He doesn't he kind of like comes in and gets
Speaker 4: down to business pretty quickly into the studio, doesn't sort
Speaker 4: of go around go to the pub afterwards.
Speaker 3: Well, afterwards he did.
Speaker 4: We had like a little kind of cheese and wine
Speaker 4: in the green room and came up and pressed the flesh,
Speaker 4: And there was one he made some joke about me,
Speaker 4: how I've been saying the right answer for ages while
Speaker 4: my team was deliberating, and I was going.
Speaker 3: Thin legs, thin legs, legs, and they were going, I
Speaker 3: got you didn't see that.
Speaker 4: Watched the first episodes on Fire.
Speaker 2: What I like about University Challenge and Pacsmen because Paxton
Speaker 2: was obviously such a force and a notorious bastard on TV.
Speaker 3: Is when someone.
Speaker 2: When he likes you can really tell when he likes
Speaker 2: a team or he likes a person on a team,
Speaker 2: and they always, you know, I always feel quite pleased
Speaker 2: for them that they've broken the hard shell. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: and become friends. Did you feel you ever? I think
Speaker 2: that we were. I think that we were fan favorites
Speaker 2: as a team.
Speaker 4: I think because we really like we really bonded as
Speaker 4: team with quite a lot of kind of joking around.
Speaker 3: And you watched it, didn't you.
Speaker 4: I think I think we were a good team, and
Speaker 4: I think that some of the other teams were not
Speaker 4: good teams. I think pa Packsman sensed that we'd we gelled,
Speaker 4: and I think he appreciated that, because obviously it has
Speaker 4: for the format to work, you know, you have to
Speaker 4: seem a bit like you're a team, not even just
Speaker 4: arrived in separate Addie Lee's and just met five minutes
Speaker 4: before going on into the studio, which I think was
Speaker 4: the case with so as I.
Speaker 3: May say, so, do you keep in touch with the team.
Speaker 4: I got an email from Kamal Ahmed a few days actually,
Speaker 4: and I need to email him back. I just I
Speaker 4: was on the bus and I just had to get
Speaker 4: it was my stop. So it's in my draft. If
Speaker 4: you're listening, I'm I'm sure you are right.
Speaker 3: He definitely is. He's a big fan of the podcast.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, when he's not doing economics, he's very into indie music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, other TV in the world of Old j
Speaker 2: The Brits. You guys go quite a bit to the
Speaker 2: Brits these days.
Speaker 3: You didn't go this year? Did you not go? No?
Speaker 2: No, no, no. We didn't get any nominations this year.
Speaker 2: This is awkward now because I thought you did.
Speaker 3: No, that's fine.
Speaker 4: I think I didn't want one anyway, norm one, you know,
Speaker 4: we've we've five nominations, no wins. So it's almost like
Speaker 4: the reverse of like a really good boxing career, isn't it.
Speaker 3: You know, we're none from five. What was it generally
Speaker 3: like at the Brits?
Speaker 4: It's the Brits is one of those things where it's
Speaker 4: a bit like la in the You moan about it
Speaker 4: when you go, but most people don't get a chance
Speaker 4: to go, so moaning about it's a bit.
Speaker 3: Isn't it. People are like, oh, bloody Brits.
Speaker 5: Tonight you catch yourself doing that and like, how a minute,
Speaker 5: I'm moaning about.
Speaker 3: Going to the Brits. You know, I said about La
Speaker 3: as well. People go to LA and it's.
Speaker 4: Like, well, most people would love to go to La really,
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, Bridge is.
Speaker 3: All right, it's a long way away, yeah too, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's hard to go to taxi.
Speaker 6: Home, Joe, do you want to take Yeah, those taxis.
Speaker 6: I like, I like going to any kind of award
Speaker 6: ceremony because you just get to dress up and it's
Speaker 6: it's it's it's not you're part of your regular sort
Speaker 6: of day to day life. And I think probably you
Speaker 6: feel that more with an award show than you do
Speaker 6: with anything else that you do when you're working.
Speaker 4: You see some very famous people there, which is which
Speaker 4: is exciting. It's exciting to see Robbie Williams and the Donna.
Speaker 6: And I think there's a genuine kind of crescendo with
Speaker 6: sort of anticipation and then actually going to the event
Speaker 6: and it's very I don't know, it's not it's not
Speaker 6: as good as maybe you thought it was going to be.
Speaker 6: And I think seeing that you see that in everyone,
Speaker 6: I think, yeah, kind of collapse.
Speaker 2: Well with the Brits especially, seems to be it's kind
Speaker 2: of produced for TV, isn't it. It's made more as
Speaker 2: a TV show. Yeah, they say the room.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well that's what they say with the presenting, isn't
Speaker 6: it that you have to present to the living rooms
Speaker 6: not to the room itself? And I think that's very
Speaker 6: true with everyone who's there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, whereas the untelevised awards shows are a bit more
Speaker 4: you know, sort of yeah, anything goes really Yeah, it's looser,
Speaker 4: which is quite fun. Where's the bridge is like really tight? Yeah,
Speaker 4: which is quite impressive.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, do you go to the parties afterwards?
Speaker 6: We have done in the past, but I think we've
Speaker 6: never really felt because there's the three major part isn't
Speaker 6: There's like Warner, Sony and Universe Universal, And I don't
Speaker 6: think we've ever really been invited to those parties.
Speaker 4: And I think we remember that last time we were
Speaker 4: nominated for two Bricks and we didn't get invited to
Speaker 4: the Warner party despite the fact that we're on Warner
Speaker 4: in America, and.
Speaker 5: It was like cheers, I'm going to go home.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to come anyway. It's fine. Things like
Speaker 3: that that you know.
Speaker 4: But the thing is that the other side of that
Speaker 4: coin is that we don't cultivate celebrity status.
Speaker 3: We don't seek it.
Speaker 4: We're not and so you can't really blame people for not,
Speaker 4: you know, inviting us to the parties because we're not.
Speaker 5: We we value our anonymity so much.
Speaker 4: We don't want to be in like three Am whatever
Speaker 4: it is, you know, Gordon Smart, Bizarre or whatever, you know.
Speaker 4: Like not that I was saying we would be, but
Speaker 4: certainly other bands of our size are more like celebrities
Speaker 4: whereas we're not.
Speaker 5: And we always say that we love that, which we do.
Speaker 4: So it isn't really anyone that we're not that brands
Speaker 4: aren't falling over themselves like give us like free clothes
Speaker 4: or invited to sort of celebri parties because we pretty
Speaker 4: much project and imag you're not wanting to be at
Speaker 4: the party.
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, the secret is that we do.
Speaker 2: But if anyone is listening from a brand or throwing
Speaker 2: a party, these guys definitely want to be Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah's only got one shoe one? I really do. Yeah.
Speaker 2: When you're there and there's these really famous people and
Speaker 2: it's quite a star struck moment, Madonna or as you say,
Speaker 2: do you go and talk to them?
Speaker 3: Do you ever go? I'm just going to go, and
Speaker 3: I'm just going to go. And you have in the past,
Speaker 3: have you whoever you spoken to?
Speaker 5: I've spoken to people like Johnny mar Warren Ellis.
Speaker 4: I'm not We're not talking like you know, Ue celebrities,
Speaker 4: but we're talking like you know, Indie major, major defens
Speaker 4: people and really famous people.
Speaker 5: I can't think of any more but demoo Leary.
Speaker 3: But you know I've approached Dermota Lyrics twice. That nice guy.
Speaker 4: So you know, it's one of the things I think
Speaker 4: you learn quite early on that you're not going to
Speaker 4: get very much out of it.
Speaker 3: Really, nobody's going to much out of it, you or them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it can't go well enough, can it? Because I've
Speaker 2: done it very rarely. And unless that person says to you,
Speaker 2: we're getting on, so well, let's change numbers, go on
Speaker 2: holiday together and become best friends.
Speaker 3: However, not unless they are as nice as that Tom
Speaker 3: from Savian, I'll start guitar text holiday. I think he
Speaker 3: drinks have been consumed on both sides.
Speaker 2: He genuinely said that you and your family should come
Speaker 2: on holday with me and.
Speaker 3: I love that story.
Speaker 4: Yeah anyway, Yeah, you're right exactly. That's it's yeah, that's
Speaker 4: that's the best thing that could happen. Unless that's not
Speaker 4: going to happen. It's not going to uns It's Tom.
Speaker 6: I think if I go up to anyone, as soon
Speaker 6: as I decide to approach them, I also make a
Speaker 6: decision to leave as quickly as possible. So I just
Speaker 6: want to be in and out drive by a drive by. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so what is it? Is it Tom them into the face.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to say.
Speaker 6: Just say I'm a big fan. I've listened to you
Speaker 6: since since I was little, and I still do.
Speaker 7: I love you.
Speaker 3: I love your work on X Factor. I've liked to
Speaker 3: present jobs Dermott.
Speaker 6: Yeah. The second time I saw a Dermot, I was like, Dermot,
Speaker 6: it's me.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's in and out. It really is.
Speaker 6: Because yeah, like you say, there's there's you're not going
Speaker 6: to be best mates, and you don't really want to
Speaker 6: be best mates. You just want to acknowledge. You want
Speaker 6: them to know that you acknowledge their greatness.
Speaker 4: That you're a fair Once I just remembered one per
Speaker 4: famous person on the bricks. But when we met Harriet
Speaker 4: Harman and the Brits, which was quite cool.
Speaker 3: Yes, we did.
Speaker 4: And then we saw Vince Cable and what I did
Speaker 4: to Vince Cable was I thought, don't go up to him,
Speaker 4: so I just raised my glass to him and he
Speaker 4: raised his glass back and it was that was like
Speaker 4: that was great because I didn't have to involve any
Speaker 4: talking and disturbing. I just acknowledged that I think, you know,
Speaker 4: he's a good, good European.
Speaker 3: I raised my glass and that was it, and it
Speaker 3: was kind.
Speaker 4: Of like, you should do more of that less.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I love all your work. Do that for
Speaker 3: dirmit next time.
Speaker 2: Just raise the glass and they'd be like, who's like,
Speaker 2: I think I'm a waiter. Obviously, you have fans that
Speaker 2: come and do these say these things to you, so
Speaker 2: that probably helps when you're when you're meeting famous people
Speaker 2: like I don't know, Leary, you've been in that position.
Speaker 2: What do people come and say to you? Do they say?
Speaker 2: Do people do the same thing? Generally come over and
Speaker 2: just say Joe Gus I just wanted to say I'm
Speaker 2: a big fan. I just want to say that, and
Speaker 2: then they're out or do they want to go on
Speaker 2: holiday with you.
Speaker 3: I think you get get varieties, yeah, all kinds.
Speaker 4: You get the people who come up to you and
Speaker 4: don't know really who you are, but they know that
Speaker 4: you are in some way famous, which.
Speaker 3: Is can be quite annoying because it's like, you.
Speaker 6: Know, like, yeah, there's no value at all with this inituaction.
Speaker 4: And you get some people who stick around so long
Speaker 4: that you and they don't say very much, and you
Speaker 4: have to make small talk.
Speaker 3: I ask them sort of, you know, what they're doing
Speaker 3: in the summer.
Speaker 4: And sometimes it seems like they're getting bored, and like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're getting bored. Don't say anything then, But so I'm
Speaker 4: keeping this up. Yeah, you're not leaving.
Speaker 3: You know. It's a very it can be very weird.
Speaker 6: I had an interaction once where probably my most memorable
Speaker 6: was after a show, this woman came up to him, like,
Speaker 6: you did amazing things tonight. I was wondering if I
Speaker 6: could return the favor and do something amazing to you.
Speaker 3: WHOA, that's like the kind of thing that people send
Speaker 3: a sixty.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah yeah, and I said no.
Speaker 3: Thanks, no, thank you, goodbye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a nice in first so Gus used
Speaker 2: to have a restaurant close to here, yes, until fairly recently.
Speaker 2: Did did fans of the band know your involvement in it?
Speaker 2: And would they come because in a way, you're sitting
Speaker 2: duck there if you kind of say, hey, if you
Speaker 2: promote it as this is my thing, and they know,
Speaker 2: they're like, I know exactly where he's going to be today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I was literally in there like three
Speaker 4: or four days a week, eight hours a day, like
Speaker 4: cooking and like wiping tables and stuff.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't very glamorous, you know. Would people come in.
Speaker 4: Sometimes not as many as I expect as a hot Well, yeah,
Speaker 4: because I think that most of our fans and probably
Speaker 4: outside London, and a lot of them don't have the
Speaker 4: kind of because a lot of the kind of teenagers,
Speaker 4: a lot of them don't have the kind of means
Speaker 4: to kind of come into London and visit what was,
Speaker 4: you know, a somewhat expensive place to eat, you know.
Speaker 5: So it's like there wasn't that many.
Speaker 4: There was a few, there was, There was definitely a few,
Speaker 4: But I was I was expecting more, not like I
Speaker 4: was disappointed, but actually I think that the place more
Speaker 4: or less had a reputation largely based on food.
Speaker 3: Really more than the fact that I was sort of a.
Speaker 6: There was that you talking about a funny story where
Speaker 6: Gus was sort of in the back doing some work
Speaker 6: and to access the toilets you had to go out
Speaker 6: the back, and this fan went to the toilet and
Speaker 6: stopped and looked at Gus and was like, aren't you
Speaker 6: an l chair?
Speaker 3: I guess I was like, yeah.
Speaker 6: He was like, why are you working a calf?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: You can see our people apron on and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because at the time, I mean, not that you're now
Speaker 2: on the way down, but I mean even then you
Speaker 2: were you were really big, like you'd already become really big. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you played back Madison Square Garden. Yeah, And there
Speaker 2: is something kind of insane about being in a band
Speaker 2: that goes and plays Madison Square and then you come
Speaker 2: home and then but when you're not doing that, you
Speaker 2: are working in a in a in a kind of
Speaker 2: little yet is that for you? Is it kind of
Speaker 2: in between tours and the records to keep you just sane?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really enjoyed it, and I you know, it
Speaker 4: was but yeah, it was a great thing for me.
Speaker 4: I mean, so it meant that, like, you know, we
Speaker 4: we had six months off, I really didn't do anything. Basically,
Speaker 4: we didn't we hung out a bit, or we weren't.
Speaker 4: We weren't doing like, we weren't in studio or anything.
Speaker 4: And so you know, the seven days and a week
Speaker 4: is a lot of days really, So like three days
Speaker 4: a week, I would go down to Dandy. I'd be
Speaker 4: there at seven in the morning opening up. And this
Speaker 4: was in the winter. It was cold and dark. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and you know, doing that, and I'd be free about
Speaker 4: three thirty and I have two days off just to
Speaker 4: do my own admin and whatever. And then the weekend
Speaker 4: with my girlfriend and it was it was really good.
Speaker 4: I had a great working week. Yeah, really nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe, what's your equivalent? I know that because you
Speaker 2: don't have Gus doesn't have the restaurant anymore. But Joe,
Speaker 2: in that time and since, what's what's your between records,
Speaker 2: between tours? What do you fill the day with? I
Speaker 2: hope it's something really really extravagant. By the way, the
Speaker 2: complete opposite of that. I want to I want to
Speaker 2: hear that you're in a speedboat most of the time.
Speaker 8: Well I am, yeah, ok, yeah, no, I basically, you know,
Speaker 8: largely my role in the band is kind of to
Speaker 8: initiate the songs.
Speaker 6: So actually I spend a lot of time doing nothing
Speaker 6: and waiting for that to happen. So I'm I just
Speaker 6: have to be very close to my guitar, you know,
Speaker 6: I have. I have I stay active.
Speaker 3: I like to stay fit. I got boxing.
Speaker 6: I got into boxing, did you, but not not not
Speaker 6: not working, not actually boxing club and not doing it
Speaker 6: for money. I was I was actually just working with
Speaker 6: the personal trainer who was a boxer. It was Ben
Speaker 6: Knuckle at times, yes, and yeah, no, I saw I
Speaker 6: was kind of doing that. And trying to pick up
Speaker 6: languages is something that ongoing endeavor of mine and sort
Speaker 6: of like failing at the first hurdle really, and that's
Speaker 6: something that I want to keep. I've actually you don't
Speaker 6: know this, but I'm actually trying to learn Italian.
Speaker 3: You told me about two years that you want Italian.
Speaker 3: But that's so good. Yeah, yeah, I mean you know
Speaker 3: Ben Ben, Yeah, yeah, how do you do you go
Speaker 3: to a class? No, I've only started.
Speaker 6: I'm on a ten day streak on dual LINGO.
Speaker 9: Good.
Speaker 6: Don't know if I can drop can I drop names
Speaker 6: of apps?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Of course?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I might have plugged you a
Speaker 2: lingo on here before because I was trying to learn
Speaker 2: French for a long yeah, and I still am. But
Speaker 2: the problem is that I've realized and another thing I've
Speaker 2: picked up is learning the piano. But it's not like
Speaker 2: learning to drive a car, is it. You don't get
Speaker 2: to a point where you fit you're finish. Yeah, you've
Speaker 2: never finished learning. And so I'm kind of regretting starting
Speaker 2: now because I realized it's now a curse for the
Speaker 2: rest of my life.
Speaker 6: Although it's a small improvement on my Italian from knowing
Speaker 6: very little to knowing a little more than very little.
Speaker 6: But I was walking today and there's a restaurant called
Speaker 6: left Keta and now I know.
Speaker 3: I know that's the fork. Yeah, so let's work it.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I can kind of speak Italian read Italian.
Speaker 5: I'll give you a good tip for learning language.
Speaker 4: Watch films like anything on but with like French subtitles,
Speaker 4: like a film you know well, film you know well,
Speaker 4: or just any film where you can where they're speaking English,
Speaker 4: and it just kind of like just you can just
Speaker 4: teach stuff, new words and stuff, and it's just quite
Speaker 4: a good it's quite a goods very low effort thing.
Speaker 4: It doesn't it isn't you know you're not watching French film.
Speaker 4: Just watch like you know, Born Identity, but with French subtitles. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just quite a good way to get it into
Speaker 4: your head and just learn.
Speaker 3: That is a good too. I guessing I reckon you're
Speaker 3: good at languages. I'm good. I speak French and quite
Speaker 3: I'm quite good at languages.
Speaker 6: He is very good at languages, especially the Romantic ones.
Speaker 6: But you also pick up You've picked up German quite quickly.
Speaker 3: I want I've really looked in German. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I tried to do Dore for a while. I should
Speaker 5: go back into it.
Speaker 2: I just did a kind of weird shrug bow, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go obviously, I don't know how to follow.
Speaker 3: Why don't we end it? That's a micro draft Michael
Speaker 3: tim Peak, the astronaut.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, are you friends with him?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 6: We whether he would recognize us again? Again, I'm sure
Speaker 6: he would, because I'm sure that's a process that you
Speaker 6: have to learn as an astronaut.
Speaker 3: To super recognition. Really, Tim, yeah, we were.
Speaker 4: So we went to the European Astronaut Center, which is
Speaker 4: part of yes A as they call it.
Speaker 5: European Space Agency which is in just As Colone.
Speaker 4: And it was quite funny because we were being given
Speaker 4: a tour round and it was really cool, like we
Speaker 4: didn't know what to expect and they were just there
Speaker 4: was and then there were the two people have given
Speaker 4: us the tour, like just tracks going.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, I think is Tim in today?
Speaker 4: And they were oh, yeah, I've seen in the office
Speaker 4: and and they were like, oh, well Tim tim peaksin today,
Speaker 4: we might see if he's around, saying they're like, what
Speaker 4: Tim Peak?
Speaker 3: Because you know, not.
Speaker 4: To us, but I'm aware that he's like a major
Speaker 4: celebrity in the UK, like I think that every school
Speaker 4: kid like has opposed to Tim Peak bedroom more basically.
Speaker 3: And so they brought out Tim Peak and we chatted
Speaker 3: to him. Yeah.
Speaker 6: It's kind of the equivalent of going to like your
Speaker 6: Atlantic and then saying, oh, I think jay Z's around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we just I think he's around. We can get
Speaker 3: can we get?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 6: And jay Z coming up to you, I'm just like, yeah,
Speaker 6: Tim pea yeah, and he's you know, safest pair of
Speaker 6: hands in Britain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what did he have to say for himself? And
Speaker 3: what did you ask Tim Peak?
Speaker 4: We the thing is that we're not really space freaks.
Speaker 4: The thing, so it's a little bit awkward when you
Speaker 4: you know, when you're It kind of goes back to
Speaker 4: that Newton celebrities thing, where like you you an't just
Speaker 4: celebrity and you realize that you've just got up to
Speaker 4: them because they're famous.
Speaker 3: And you're not even a fan. Really.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's kind of like Tim peaks. I'm only very.
Speaker 4: Aware of what he did or who he's an astronaut.
Speaker 4: I know he'd recently been in space. I know he's
Speaker 4: an a marathon in space. What Yeah, he did a
Speaker 4: marathon in space on treadmill.
Speaker 2: But isn't it well okay, I'm I'm not going to
Speaker 2: even get into that. Okay, So these are the things
Speaker 2: he knew.
Speaker 3: These are the things I knew to get. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: I just what do we ask him?
Speaker 4: I think he asked ask small questions because you know,
Speaker 4: it's easy to ask a band astronaut, I should be
Speaker 4: easy to ask what's it like in space?
Speaker 2: He must be so sick of that, Like he probably
Speaker 2: thought you guys are really cool because you were really.
Speaker 3: Maybe really indifferent going. Yeah, I don't know. I asked
Speaker 3: him if you liked living in clothes, he said, I
Speaker 3: actually live in bond. Yeah. That was good, good chat.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was very much like we were kind of
Speaker 6: sort of like, you know, the interaction between someone who
Speaker 6: works the land and someone who owns the land. You know,
Speaker 6: we're not looking them in the eye, and you don't
Speaker 6: know what to say to them. And you know, I
Speaker 6: didn't know what to say other than bloody great job
Speaker 6: what he did in space.
Speaker 3: You know, in the world.
Speaker 4: He didn't know our band, we didn't know his work,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's a little bit kind
Speaker 4: of like but it was fun. Yeah, it was cool.
Speaker 4: I mean I think a lot of people were, you know,
Speaker 4: I think a lot of our crew and got back
Speaker 4: their kids like all like obsessed with Tim Peak and
Speaker 4: it was like, oh my god, I can't wait to
Speaker 4: tell little you know whoever that you met Tim Peak because.
Speaker 3: It is mental. Yeah. He's really nice guy, very nice guy.
Speaker 3: He seems like a nice guy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, to be honest, I don't know what he
Speaker 2: did either. The space thing I've actually got a bit
Speaker 2: of a problem with because I think it's a waste
Speaker 2: of money, now, do you Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just think like, do we need to send a
Speaker 3: probe to the Sun. Ye doesn't that happened recently?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I think and I'm also I'm there getting in
Speaker 2: trouble if I'm not recycling my tea bag. And then
Speaker 2: they set a rocket off and it's like, that's just
Speaker 2: shouting all those tea bags I've ever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I just think what was that for?
Speaker 2: And I said, what we want to just see what
Speaker 2: we want to, just see if we can reach the Sun.
Speaker 2: I'm a bit like, come on, let's talk a bit
Speaker 2: about your show. That is fairly soon, isn't it in
Speaker 2: Forest Hills in New York? An immersive show? Is that
Speaker 2: next month?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It's June. Wow? Next month is June? Two months?
Speaker 3: Two months? Yeah? So what what is it exactly?
Speaker 2: It's a it's it's in a stadium in New York,
Speaker 2: and it's an im as much as I know, it's
Speaker 2: an immersive show.
Speaker 4: Yes, I think the idea is that it's going to
Speaker 4: be sort of like surround sound. It's going to be
Speaker 4: sonically immersive. We're working with an Acoustics, which is a
Speaker 4: sort of cool speaker company, and they have these very
Speaker 4: state of the art speakers, and so we've been in
Speaker 4: a studio remixing our sort of songs for being played live,
Speaker 4: where we can put different things in different places and
Speaker 4: hopefully create quite a cool thing.
Speaker 5: It's about just good way something up, I think, isn't it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's it's.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 6: It's less about a constant surround sound. It's more about
Speaker 6: just having nice moments that feel as though you were
Speaker 6: in the middle of I think.
Speaker 3: So, how's that done?
Speaker 2: And they're like millions of little speakers hidden everywhere or
Speaker 2: is it certainly not normal?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: But yeah, lots, yeah, yeah, and I think that you know,
Speaker 4: it means that we you're talking to the two least
Speaker 4: techie members of the band, maybe any band.
Speaker 3: People.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, just leave it up to them basically,
Speaker 4: like so you know, you can sort of like we
Speaker 4: have sort of quit a lot of sound effects in
Speaker 4: our songs and things, right, so like Adeline, for example,
Speaker 4: it's like helicopter and you can kind of like you
Speaker 4: can you can make the helicopter kind of like fly
Speaker 4: like over people's heads, like from behind and things like that,
Speaker 4: or like something like complete there's these kind of sirens
Speaker 4: and we've made it so the sirens are going to
Speaker 4: kind of spin roun in this crazy way.
Speaker 3: It's going to be like you're surrounded by police cars,
Speaker 3: which is that's what I want from all my cards?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so you know things like that hopefully, And
Speaker 4: you can even do pretty cool stuff like you could
Speaker 4: you could throw a beach ball into the crowd and
Speaker 4: you could the crowd would throw the beach ball around
Speaker 4: and you could map the path of the beach ball
Speaker 4: with a sound and it would seem as though the
Speaker 4: beach ball was controlling the sound.
Speaker 3: To the crowd. Are you going to do that? Well,
Speaker 3: this has been it's been talked about, it's been talked about.
Speaker 4: Some pretty doesn't seem so sore, which the speakers I think,
Speaker 4: you know, I think that we are. That's the kind
Speaker 4: of thing that you can do. So we're hoping to
Speaker 4: have some fun and on those lines.
Speaker 2: And this is in New York in the Forest Hills,
Speaker 2: which is an old state. It's like it's an open
Speaker 2: air music then, isn't it. It's not a football stadium.
Speaker 2: It is a concert place. Have you been over there
Speaker 2: whilst doing this and working this out?
Speaker 3: Have you been there? Not been there?
Speaker 4: No, We've been working in the anacoustics studio, which is
Speaker 4: in sort of like Highgates, but we've not been there,
Speaker 4: forest Soils. I guess it's like outside the city maybe,
Speaker 4: or maybe in some distant part of I.
Speaker 3: Think it's in between Brooklyn and Queens.
Speaker 4: Right on Long Island somewhere anyway, Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And is the idea to take that elsewhere or
Speaker 2: is this a one off? If people want to go,
Speaker 2: they want to experience being surrounded by a million.
Speaker 3: Police guards at Old Jay show, then it's it's now.
Speaker 4: I think it's now, and hopefully ever Okay, not never,
Speaker 4: you know, I think that hopefully we can if it
Speaker 4: goes well, we can see about doing it, you know,
Speaker 4: on the road.
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of like where we're testing the
Speaker 3: walls really Yeah. Yeah, but you guys play in the
Speaker 3: States a lot. We do go tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Is it safe to say you can find out tomorrow? Yeah,
Speaker 2: to do a bunch of shows or well, got Coachella,
Speaker 2: so we're doing We're doing that three weeks, aren't they.
Speaker 2: We spoke the other week about Coachella, you and ICUs,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and you were saying, how it's that's another
Speaker 2: place where you feel like you're not getting invited to
Speaker 2: the right parties afterwards.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels more fun until you're there. Yeah, kind
Speaker 3: of thing.
Speaker 2: But you're going to play both weekends of Coachella and
Speaker 2: then in between plays and shows.
Speaker 5: Right in between. And also you know, sence, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you bigger in the States, would you say than
Speaker 2: you are here. I've got that in my head for
Speaker 2: some reason. I know you are really big here, but
Speaker 2: in my mind maybe it's maybe it's because I know
Speaker 2: that you did Madison Square so early on in your career,
Speaker 2: Like in my mind, you can't just do that without
Speaker 2: being really really big in the same I think they.
Speaker 4: Are probably bigger in the States and are here particularly regionally. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, I think that here our popularity is it's
Speaker 4: fairly London centers, or so we're told, because I think
Speaker 4: that in the States we have quite spread quite nicely
Speaker 4: across the whole country, which is quite I mean, that's
Speaker 4: you know, it's quite rare, I think because we I
Speaker 4: think it's because we went out there early on and
Speaker 4: when we played you know, Kansas City, and we played
Speaker 4: you know, Birmingham, Labama in like really small clubs on
Speaker 4: our first album, and then we we you know, it
Speaker 4: was winning hearts and minds, boots on the ground cliches.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it kind of does really help doing that something,
Speaker 4: not just I think a lot of acts go out
Speaker 4: and be like we'll do the media shows in New
Speaker 4: York and LA and then the rest will come to us,
Speaker 4: and it doesn't really work like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what is it you think that the Americans
Speaker 2: get about it the most?
Speaker 3: That's a good question. Of course, we've allays stronger to answer. Really,
Speaker 3: so people ask that a lot and it's like, I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that we I think that we have
Speaker 4: I think that we feel quite a quirky you know,
Speaker 4: we were sort of like the quirky band of this
Speaker 4: of the first half of this decade maybe for America
Speaker 4: or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, we were like the the
Speaker 3: in the you go. Well, I think we've.
Speaker 6: Consumed a lot of American culture, whether that's music or film.
Speaker 6: Those are the two kind of main areas of America
Speaker 6: that we enjoy the most. I think in terms of
Speaker 6: their exports and that and their shoes, their sneakers and burghers,
Speaker 6: and that's quite likely.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so I think we.
Speaker 6: I grew up listening to a lot of American music,
Speaker 6: like a lot of the Laurel Canyon kind of folk
Speaker 6: stuff like Crosby Steel's and Nash and Joni Mitchell and
Speaker 6: you know, Jackson Brown and James Taylor, And I think
Speaker 6: I listened to that from a very young age and
Speaker 6: I still listen to it now, and I think, you know, writing,
Speaker 6: maybe that kind of comes out in some of my writing, and.
Speaker 3: Gus responds to it.
Speaker 6: In a completely different way because he has a completely
Speaker 6: different musical upbringing, and that classical upbringing that he grew
Speaker 6: up with creates a quirkiness. But certainly the core of
Speaker 6: that is music that Americans can identify with, I think.
Speaker 6: And it's also very audience friendly in terms of demographics.
Speaker 6: You have teenagers that are into our music and then
Speaker 6: they play it to their parents, and their parents get
Speaker 6: into the music. So I think we have quite an
Speaker 6: American sounding.
Speaker 3: Sound.
Speaker 6: And you know, we were once confused with an La band,
Speaker 6: I think when we first started playing in Leeds and
Speaker 6: again Tom his production is very kind of universal at
Speaker 6: the moment. It's not specific to a certain country. It's
Speaker 6: kind of that bedroom producer kind of sound, and I
Speaker 6: think you can there's a part of that that's going
Speaker 6: on in our recent music. So yeah, I think it's
Speaker 6: something that they understand. But it has a quirkiness which
Speaker 6: may allow a certain sense of I don't know, maybe
Speaker 6: pride in listening to our music. We're quite different and
Speaker 6: that's something to show off. Maybe if you're playing music
Speaker 6: to your friends in America and they celebrate that and
Speaker 6: they don't belittle.
Speaker 3: It, yeah, like being yeah, we're good at that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So when you're playing a big show where it's like
Speaker 2: the O two here or Madison Square or the Forest
Speaker 2: Hill Show, I'm always interested to know because I've never
Speaker 2: been around it. What goes on before the show as
Speaker 2: the band, Like when you turn up to the venue.
Speaker 2: It's obviously a world away from turning up to a
Speaker 2: pub where you carry your own gear in and you know,
Speaker 2: you might be given a rider of free red stripe
Speaker 2: between you or whatever.
Speaker 3: What.
Speaker 2: It's a huge thing now and there's catering, and there's
Speaker 2: you do have a huge team of people, and you
Speaker 2: have your text and all of that. But what's it
Speaker 2: like in the middle of that, is you three guys
Speaker 2: and what is that like?
Speaker 6: I think playing at the O two or paint Man
Speaker 6: Square Guards. It's the same as playing like a eight
Speaker 6: hundred cap venue in the sense that you walk down
Speaker 6: a corridor and you go into a room. When you
Speaker 6: go into that room, you've got Gusts and Tom waiting
Speaker 6: there and they look up from their phones and they're like,
Speaker 6: all right, And that's pretty much what happens whether you're
Speaker 6: in a big room.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I'm reading Yeah, I think it's it is like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a really, it's a it's a it's not
Speaker 4: there's not a huge amount of difference really because you
Speaker 4: think you're right exactly. It always comes down to a
Speaker 4: dressing room and a stage kind of you know, and
Speaker 4: they might be bigger.
Speaker 3: I mean, they both might be bigger.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I remember, like as a kid watching this
Speaker 2: Oasis documentary I think it was called There and then Right,
Speaker 2: and it was some backstage pitture. Then playing at ELL's Court.
Speaker 2: Played a big show at Elve's Court, and they all
Speaker 2: turned up and there were these five scooters waiting for
Speaker 2: them and they were burning around the floor in these
Speaker 2: racing these scooters. That, in my mind, is what everyone's doing.
Speaker 2: I feel now I might have been hoodwink. Do you
Speaker 2: just turn up for showtime, go on, get it done,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 6: Essentially, Yeah, I think it does play into the part
Speaker 6: of exactly what you were saying earlier with fame, and
Speaker 6: with fame becomes opportunities, and I think because we're not
Speaker 6: we like to sort of hide away from that element
Speaker 6: of fame where you have a lot of opportunities where,
Speaker 6: you know, I think I think when like Taylor Swift
Speaker 6: plays a gig, there's about sixteen companies that have stalls
Speaker 6: before the fans go into the actual main auditorium area.
Speaker 6: And I think when you have those sixteen companies, they
Speaker 6: might one of them might be Segue and they might
Speaker 6: say do you want some Segues or Vesper might be like,
Speaker 6: we've got some vespers, do you want to ride them around?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 6: But we don't have those. They're not the channels that
Speaker 6: we go down the band the thing. We just get
Speaker 6: on and play the gig without any many many flourishes
Speaker 6: around the build up.
Speaker 2: Are you totally used to playing those big rooms now?
Speaker 3: I think we are. I think we are.
Speaker 4: Aren't We to the point where it's actually you know,
Speaker 4: that's why our answers to questions like that are actually
Speaker 4: quite undwhelming. Because we're not really we're not like beating
Speaker 4: our chests and just like sort of, you know, whatever
Speaker 4: it is that you know, you might imagine bandstaying beforehand,
Speaker 4: kind of doing crazy rituals or sort of like.
Speaker 5: Bathing in champagne, or I don't know, whatever it might be.
Speaker 4: You know, we're just kind of sitting around really in
Speaker 4: the way that we usually before a show.
Speaker 6: I think, you know, I think you're more the flagship shows.
Speaker 6: You are definitely more self aware, nervous, and you know,
Speaker 6: focused on knowing that this is a really really big
Speaker 6: deal because the all the kind of the country's media
Speaker 6: are there, and you've got your fan family there, all
Speaker 6: your friends have come to this show. You're playing to
Speaker 6: eighteen thousand people, and you don't want to fuck up,
Speaker 6: and you go on stage and you are somewhat playing
Speaker 6: with all that in mind, and it feels like you're
Speaker 6: for me. It feels like you're playing in For the
Speaker 6: first couple of songs, you're playing in treacle, and everything's
Speaker 6: so much harder to do, and you have a sense
Speaker 6: almost vertigo because you know how big this is, so
Speaker 6: you do you are surrounded with a certain amount of anxieties.
Speaker 6: More so in those shows than smaller shows, but.
Speaker 3: We don't treat it any differently do.
Speaker 2: I always feel like those moments might be key to
Speaker 2: keeping it exciting and fun, because I wonder we have
Speaker 2: a band like the Rolling Stones, for example, who have
Speaker 2: played football stadiums for the past forty years. What differentiates
Speaker 2: Toronto in two thousand and five Chicago last week. It's
Speaker 2: the same size, it's always the same size, It's always
Speaker 2: the same show essentially, And that to me is kind
Speaker 2: of almost a bit sad that they that it's almost
Speaker 2: for them, it would be so normal to like, that's just.
Speaker 3: What they do. Does that feel that way for you? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I think that you're right.
Speaker 4: I think, you know, I think for some really big acts,
Speaker 4: I think it even comes down to the furniture, and
Speaker 4: they would travel with all of their own backstage furniture
Speaker 4: so that the dressing room pretty much looks identical every day,
Speaker 4: you know, or as at least we're like company chairs
Speaker 4: today or not very company chairs today, you know. But
Speaker 4: it can become you know, you do that to a
Speaker 4: certain level, that can become touring loses. It's kind of
Speaker 4: like I said, it's quite a lot, but you know,
Speaker 4: the kind of like seat of the pants kind of
Speaker 4: like just everything's a bit all over the place, you know,
Speaker 4: on our first album, it was an incredibly fun two
Speaker 4: years tour an album because it was pretty all over
Speaker 4: the place in a good way. Like we were, you know,
Speaker 4: in the sense that on tour, you know, you didn't
Speaker 4: know really what was going to happen the next day.
Speaker 4: It was every every venue was different, you know, you
Speaker 4: were a people were more offering you more kind of
Speaker 4: man opportunities, and it was now we're protected from a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff, which it used to be like somebody
Speaker 4: be like, hey, do you want to jump in the
Speaker 4: back of my truck and we'll drive over to my
Speaker 4: friend's house. He's got a pull before the show, and
Speaker 4: we'd be like, yeah, it sounds great.
Speaker 3: It was now I.
Speaker 4: Think that offer wouldn't even necessarily make its way to
Speaker 4: the band. That would have been turned down before it
Speaker 4: got to us. Yeah, which is a bit sad, isn't it.
Speaker 4: I think that we and we do try to quite
Speaker 4: un quite kind of keep it real.
Speaker 3: We don't.
Speaker 4: We don't like to be too protected or too you know,
Speaker 4: little kept like little kind of princes in the tower,
Speaker 4: because we do want to have that element of having
Speaker 4: fun on tour and spontaneity, I think is what I'm
Speaker 4: looking for, you know. But you know so many memories
Speaker 4: of an awesome wave where you know, just doing really
Speaker 4: mad stuff like that, meeting a lot of people, and
Speaker 4: it was huge amounts of fun, and that does necessarily
Speaker 4: drop off when you get when you get bigger.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like you know, I remember, I remember a number
Speaker 6: of times where you'd be loading all your equipment back
Speaker 6: in the splitter van and so girl be like, do
Speaker 6: you want to smoke some weed in my car? You'd
Speaker 6: be like yeah, but then now.
Speaker 4: And then then we come back to my house, not like
Speaker 4: to have sex, but like with like with all my friends,
Speaker 4: and we'd like go back to people's houses and parties
Speaker 4: after gigs all the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it never really happens now, you.
Speaker 6: Know, Yeah it would probably would range us probably wouldn't
Speaker 6: even get to our family of people representing two start
Speaker 6: and stop with the security. Can I speak to the band?
Speaker 6: I want to see if they can in my car?
Speaker 4: No, that's not you know, these happened and the people
Speaker 4: used to like throw notes on stage, being like call
Speaker 4: us for a good time, and we'd be like better
Speaker 4: call this another you know, like just see what happens,
Speaker 4: and you usually meet some fun people and you usually
Speaker 4: end up going back to the house and drinking a lot.
Speaker 4: But like, it was pretty crazy, and I think that
Speaker 4: now that you play bigger venues, it's harder for those
Speaker 4: notes to even make their way to the band or whatever,
Speaker 4: or we'd be out there packing up our gear and
Speaker 4: sending the T shirts.
Speaker 3: So it was more because people could talk to us.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, that's sad.
Speaker 9: I mean it's not it is sad, but it is sad,
Speaker 9: but it's it's a controlled it's the fun is more controlled,
Speaker 9: and I suppose our girlfriends would probably prefer it that way.
Speaker 2: So, like, you know, I thing in thank god they've
Speaker 2: got so big that those notes don't reach the stages.
Speaker 3: It's literally too far.
Speaker 2: Let's talk just a little bit about Relaxer. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's been out for ages now, but it is your
Speaker 2: most recent album, Chatto one things I love about it.
Speaker 2: It seems like a strange thing to say how.
Speaker 3: Short it is.
Speaker 2: I just like the fact that it's so it's eight tracks,
Speaker 2: and when you take that to your label after you know,
Speaker 2: two years or whatever it was, and you say here
Speaker 2: is are they totally fine with that? And they're like,
Speaker 2: oh cool, Like we'd put these eight out because that
Speaker 2: feels to me like a hard sell, especially for a
Speaker 2: band your size to be like at his a new
Speaker 2: album and it's eight tracks long. I can imagine they
Speaker 2: would have said, well, this is half of your album.
Speaker 3: You well.
Speaker 6: I think the cell wasn't in the number of tracks.
Speaker 6: It was in the length of the album. And I
Speaker 6: think we figured out I think it was it had
Speaker 6: to be over thirty there's thirty one minutes or thirty
Speaker 6: four minutes, had to be over a certain minute. And
Speaker 6: I think once we realized it was over that, it's
Speaker 6: about forty minutes, isn't it. Yeah, then we got very
Speaker 6: little problems flat form.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I.
Speaker 4: Think that increasingly, you know, it's like you need to
Speaker 4: have It's more it's like tracks, isn't it. You know,
Speaker 4: there were there were deemed to be enough tracks or
Speaker 4: singles or whatever on the album that that was okay, I.
Speaker 6: Think, you know, and we know we'd put in just
Speaker 6: as much works because we had a lot of we
Speaker 6: had two or three other songs that we had worked
Speaker 6: on and we just didn't think that they suited the album,
Speaker 6: and I think we quite liked the idea of having
Speaker 6: a short, punchy album Stocky. It was it was a
Speaker 6: different album for us, you know, for you know, in
Speaker 6: terms of how we displayed the album and how it
Speaker 6: looked it was aesthetically it was. It was a different
Speaker 6: album for us, and I think we, I don't know,
Speaker 6: we didn't realize. I think only until you release a
Speaker 6: body of work do you realize, or from being told
Speaker 6: by other people that it sounds different to your other works.
Speaker 6: And that's something that happened to us with Relaxing, And
Speaker 6: I guess that's exciting because we couldn't see it.
Speaker 2: The visuals of it are my favorite that you've had
Speaker 2: so far. Oh yeah, the rendering of the tron esque
Speaker 2: computer game. Yeah, yeah, nice, I'm into that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. More of that, please?
Speaker 2: Yeah, more of the computer games?
Speaker 3: Do you guys play game? How did that come about?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 4: I think it was that Tom found this image on
Speaker 4: Twitter thinking it was like a digital painting or something.
Speaker 4: We didn't know it was from this game turned out
Speaker 4: to be a still from this sort of cult nineties
Speaker 4: playstession game called Nasty Dream Emulater, And then we just
Speaker 4: took it from their Really, I mean in terms of I.
Speaker 5: Think we've all I think we've all grown up. I
Speaker 5: think we've all growne up with computer games.
Speaker 4: Were the first generation, you know, to have had them
Speaker 4: our entire lives. Never never, never thought of them as
Speaker 4: a new thing, you know. But I mean I'm not
Speaker 4: a really a computer game person.
Speaker 6: No, No, Sometimes I think why don't I have v R?
Speaker 3: Because it looks like so.
Speaker 6: Much fun if you see people using it online. There's
Speaker 6: a lot of compilations of people, like a lot of
Speaker 6: people losing their ship and falling off their chair and
Speaker 6: falling from a standing position.
Speaker 4: They is any people think they're on the edge of
Speaker 4: a building and they get pached off or something by
Speaker 4: their friends.
Speaker 3: No, what you mean like the stag do trick where Yeah,
Speaker 3: something like that. I don't know, just talking.
Speaker 6: I'm talking like they're doing a climbing similar similar, right,
Speaker 6: and then and they're watching themselves climb and then they
Speaker 6: fall and then falling scared and so much that they
Speaker 6: lose contact with reality they fall forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yes, yeah, very.
Speaker 6: Funny because it's very confusing and you you you you
Speaker 6: wonder how can you suspend disbeliefs to such an extent
Speaker 6: where you forget you actually are.
Speaker 3: Must be that good. Now, maybe it's just that it
Speaker 3: does look so good. I've not tried it.
Speaker 4: I've just read this article with some where somebody was
Speaker 4: all about VR and somebody with somebody was the journalist
Speaker 4: was trying out this thing where they were they were
Speaker 4: they were in a VR.
Speaker 3: They were in a VR, as.
Speaker 4: I believe they said, and they were in a VR
Speaker 4: where they were they were playing Sigmund Freud and a
Speaker 4: patient and the they had to start it off. The
Speaker 4: person started off as a patient by saying a problem
Speaker 4: they thought they had, and they were like, I feel
Speaker 4: guilty that I don't see enough of my mum because
Speaker 4: she's in a nursing home a long way away from
Speaker 4: where I live.
Speaker 3: And then they switched to Freud and.
Speaker 4: They had they this person had to create both sides
Speaker 4: of the conversation. But they were switching back in the
Speaker 4: VR from psychoanalysts to and they came out of it
Speaker 4: feeling like they've had a really really good conversation and
Speaker 4: they'd like solved a lot of shit if they've just
Speaker 4: been talking to themselves in a VR.
Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy. I like that.
Speaker 2: That's when I think VR is good. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean I like the idea.
Speaker 3: Of making someone fall over.
Speaker 4: And there was another thing that they did where if
Speaker 4: it was in Spain, where they make violent men domestic
Speaker 4: abusively domestically abusive men go into a VR and they
Speaker 4: get VRD where they have to be a small like
Speaker 4: a woman and there's like a bit and in the
Speaker 4: VR there's a big man like bullying them and they
Speaker 4: it makes men understand how physically threatening they can be
Speaker 4: if they don't even know they're being that physically threatening,
Speaker 4: because the VR is so realistic that they genuinely feel
Speaker 4: like they are this five foot five women standing up
Speaker 4: to a big, like six foot man who shouting at them.
Speaker 4: And it's really like proving really good for you know,
Speaker 4: rehabilitating like domestic abusers.
Speaker 5: So there's really a lot of good VR out there.
Speaker 3: But yeah, should I do my im dropping.
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