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Speaker 1: Thank you, Ron, It's good to be back. Um, can

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Speaker 1: A battery is a series of cells that are hooked up,

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Speaker 1: With a lithium ion battery, you can have a serious

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Speaker 1: if there's one cell, we want to keep it to

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Speaker 1: that one cell. Just like if we had a fire

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Speaker 1: in a condominium complex, we want to keep it to

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Speaker 1: one unit in the condo and not allow it to

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Speaker 1: real quick tim that vehicle is that that vehicle is

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Speaker 1: so the impedance to traffic could be a lot longer

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Speaker 1: than just Tesla says it may take up to twenty

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Speaker 1: it down where it's safe for transport, and even transporting

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Speaker 1: one of these things. I'm looking at what they're requiring

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Speaker 1: because of the UH regenerative properties of moving the vehicle. UH.

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Speaker 1: They have to be you have to have put it

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Speaker 1: on dollies, you have to do all kinds of things.

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Speaker 1: It's it's I wouldn't want to be the tow truck driver.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather be the firefighter. I hope he's got life insurance. Hey, Tim,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna leave it there. I want to thank you you.

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Speaker 1: We we went above and beyond today and always great

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Speaker 1: solid information. As things develop and UH, as we learn more,

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Speaker 1: we'll ask you to come back and we hope you'll

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Speaker 1: feel free and reach out with any additional information. It's

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Speaker 1: always enjoyable being with you. UM. You know your producer

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Speaker 1: Tom is a is a dear friend. And anything I

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Speaker 1: can do in the future, I'm more than happy to you.

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Speaker 1: Take good care to him, you'd be well. Have a

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Speaker 1: great rest of you as well. I'm Ronny and the

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Speaker 1: Car Doctor. We are back right after this Don't Go Away.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Ronnie the Car Doctor. Great interview with with

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Speaker 1: Fireman Tim Tim Richmond from Connecticut. We appreciate his time.

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Speaker 1: Today I got an email in front of me from

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Speaker 1: Jesse h. Jesse writes and hey, Ron, just wait until

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Speaker 1: tractor trailers go full electric. You know, I hadn't even

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Speaker 1: thought about that. I can imagine the explosion an electric

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Speaker 1: This is just the beginning. I used to fight fires

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Speaker 1: Jesse Wrights at a local factory that worked with magnesium.

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Speaker 1: Many times we had to allow it to burn itself

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Speaker 1: out and do what we could to protect the rest

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Speaker 1: of the factory. This is not looking good for the future,

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Speaker 1: ron just my opinion. Thanks so much and so much

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Speaker 1: for clean and green energy. Listening in on twelve nine

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Speaker 1: w n b F, Binghamton, New York. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: what is the safety factor here? And that's what I'm

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Speaker 1: sure all of you got listening to Tim in at

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Speaker 1: are we perpetually putting on a potentially putting vehicles on

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Speaker 1: the road that may clean up the environment in one

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Speaker 1: aspect and create an environmental hazard in the other. And

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Speaker 1: this isn't an anti electric vehicle conversation. This is are

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Speaker 1: we aware of what we're getting into? All right? Uh?

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Speaker 1: You know, And that's the issue, listen. I'm all about

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Speaker 1: cleaning up the environment. I'm all about we've got to

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Speaker 1: do something because we have issues. But I'm not convinced

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Speaker 1: a hundercent at the level they want to do electric

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Speaker 1: vehicles this is the way to go, and nobody seems

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Speaker 1: to have that. I've seen definitive proof to the every

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Speaker 1: is what we're gonna do. Accept it. Um, Why somebody's

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Speaker 1: got to make the argument for it. And I'm just

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Speaker 1: trying to raise enough eyebrows that maybe somebody does so

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Speaker 1: that we all can clearly understand it, because it is

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Speaker 1: clearly clearly an issue. Um, you know, And that's uh,

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Speaker 1: that's that's that. Um. And Also, Jesse originally wrote in

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Speaker 1: an email before the firefighter comment email about he had

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Speaker 1: his head guess gets replay based on his oh three

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Speaker 1: Chevy venture and I think that kind of that sort

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Speaker 1: of States to the point I made in the opening

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Speaker 1: hour about newer engines don't get repaired, they get replaced.

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Speaker 1: Older engines got repaired. Those were the days. I'm Rondanini

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Speaker 1: in the car doctor, reminding you this time, each time

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Speaker 1: and every time. Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you,