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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome into another edition of Crush City

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Speaker 1: Territory presented by Fox One. I'm Chandler Rome, joined by

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Speaker 1: Tyler Stafford and Tyler. Before we get into the Astros,

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Speaker 1: how much of the American League Playoffs have you been

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Speaker 1: keeping up with? Especially the Alcs. This has turned into

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Speaker 1: a really, really fun series between the Blue Jays slash Astros,

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Speaker 1: former Astros and the Mariners.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it's been awesome. I've enjoyed this series quite

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Speaker 2: a bit. I've watched most of it. The whole family

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Speaker 2: has been sick on and off all week, and the

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Speaker 2: hard part about being a parent and getting sick is

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Speaker 2: that there are other people in your house, so you

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Speaker 2: don't get to just you know, be sick. And that's

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Speaker 2: the only thing going on. But yeah, I've been watching

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Speaker 2: a lot. I got the game on right now. It's

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Speaker 2: about eight pm Sunday night as we record this. Blue

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Speaker 2: Jay just got out of a jam here with cal Raley,

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Speaker 2: got him to ground into a double play. But I

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Speaker 2: hope this one goes seven. I love playoff baseball. They

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Speaker 2: should keep playing it. I enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: Well, if it does go seven, you can always stream

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Speaker 1: ALCS games and the upcoming World Series, which we'll pit

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers, who just absolutely mauled the Brewers. Man. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if the Brewers are fake good or if

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers were just that much of a behemoth, but

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Speaker 1: that was a mismatch on every level. So it's been

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Speaker 1: nice to have the Mariners and the Mariners and the

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Speaker 1: Blue Jays give us, you know, a real series to watch.

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Speaker 1: And I know no one's going to want to hear

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Speaker 1: this that's listening to this for Asher's purposes, But that

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Speaker 1: scene in Seattle when Aurez hit that Grand Slam on

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Speaker 1: Friday was Look. I get it, like Mariners fans can

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Speaker 1: be can be difficult for Ashras fans to deal with.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just telling you as someone that has seen

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Speaker 1: a lot of games in that ballpark, as someone that

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Speaker 1: has been there when that place is packed, there isn't

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Speaker 1: a better atmosphere in the Big Leagues and t Mobile

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Speaker 1: Park when that place is when that team is good

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Speaker 1: and it made me happy to see that for a

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Speaker 1: fan base that has not had that in a while.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh it was great. I watched I mean a

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Speaker 2: million different angles. I watched the radio call, I watched

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Speaker 2: the video of like them in the broadcast just filming

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Speaker 2: themselves in the broadcast booth. Do it like? Yeah, so good?

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Speaker 2: I mean again, it's for me as someone who's been

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Speaker 2: an Astros fan my entire life, I do have a

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Speaker 2: little bit of the perspective of ten years ago. The

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Speaker 2: Astros were just nobody's and the worst place to be

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Speaker 2: in as a fan base is when no one cares

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Speaker 2: if you win or lose. Like once you get to

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Speaker 2: the point where people are upset at you, like that's

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Speaker 2: that's good. Like you want to be in a position where,

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Speaker 2: like you want Mariners fans to be upset with you,

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Speaker 2: that's good. That means that you have been beating them

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Speaker 2: in the division so much that they've grown up to

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Speaker 2: hate you, Like I mean, I just I couldn't stand

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals growing up. They ruined my life. And now

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Speaker 2: I don't care one way or the other about the

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Speaker 2: Saint Louis Cardinals because they're not particularly relevant or interesting.

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Speaker 2: But at the time Oh my goodness, I hated every

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Speaker 2: single one of those people and any Cardinals fan. You know.

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Speaker 2: That was when it was all the we're the best

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Speaker 2: fans in Baseball and all those nonsense, and yeah, but

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Speaker 2: it was more of a thing when they were good,

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Speaker 2: and I just I couldn't stand those people, so, like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a badge of honor when a fan base does

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Speaker 2: not like you. And the Mariners fan disliking the Astros,

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Speaker 2: I think is a little better than like the Pirates,

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Speaker 2: who just go like boot trash can like whatever. Like

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Speaker 2: the Mariners hate the Astros because they beat their teeth

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Speaker 2: in for a decade, not because they hit some trash cans,

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Speaker 2: like that's one of the selling points of it. But

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Speaker 2: it's more because they've watched them just slaughter the Mariners

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Speaker 1: Well it's the trash can banging. Probably ate it a

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Speaker 1: little bit in there, but I can imagine that there's there.

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Speaker 1: They're probably mad for a lot of reasons, but uh,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, look it is it's been fun. Just if

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Speaker 1: you if you strip away your you take off your

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Speaker 1: whatever colored glasses you wear. Just as a neutral observer

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Speaker 1: of the sport, it is fun to see Seattle. This

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Speaker 1: Series is going to start in a couple of days.

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Speaker 1: Game seven of the ALCS could be uh tomorrow. If

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Speaker 1: the Blue Jays win tonight, we're gonna stop talking about

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Speaker 1: the playoffs that the Astros are not in, and we

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Speaker 1: will uh center back on the Astros. Now. Hopefully you

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Speaker 1: haven't abandoned us six minutes into the show. The what

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about today is we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about five players that could not be back in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six for the Ashers, and I want a

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Speaker 1: that is mentioned when we talk today, that does not

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Speaker 1: automatically mean they're not coming back. It's just these are

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Speaker 1: the trade block, on the non tender line, and obviously

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Speaker 1: the two free agents that the Ashers have coming up

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Speaker 1: in Victor Carrattini and Fromberveldez. But real quick, before we

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Speaker 1: that will be with the Astros in twenty twenty six now,

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Speaker 1: a guy named Nate Pearson. The Astros jump the market.

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Speaker 1: They they have they have a free agent signing. Nate

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Speaker 1: Pearson has agreed to a one point three to five

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Speaker 1: on physical. I think the physical is taking place next week,

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Speaker 1: the Astros are are intrigued by that. But I don't

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Speaker 1: They're betting on the talent, they're betting on just the

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Speaker 1: god given ability. But Nate Pearson's biggest problem in his

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Speaker 1: He's I believe, throwing fourteen while pitches in the big leagues,

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Speaker 1: the minor leagues. But Tyler, they're going he is. He

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Speaker 1: which I think is a smart decision by the Astros,

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Speaker 1: And this is one of those things, Tyler, where if

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Astros obviously, I mean, everybody's gonna

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Speaker 2: said sounds exactly like Forrest Whitley and the Astros had

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Speaker 2: I mean most of the Astros bullpen last year, outside

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Speaker 2: I mean Jason Alexander this year turned into a really

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Speaker 2: good picture for the Astros obviously, like Brandon Walter had

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Speaker 2: all gonna go, what if he wins the cy Young

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Speaker 2: May and decide how this is going. Nothing is going

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Speaker 2: you know something here, Like he has incredible raw stuff

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Speaker 1: well if they bring him to camp and the starting

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Speaker 2: He's whatever the Astros would feel comfortable offering Fromber. There

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Speaker 2: wants to be a starter and do that, then by

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Speaker 2: all means I go, go and do that. But if

431
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Speaker 2: that is not his plan and he just wants to

432
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Speaker 2: be in a place where he's comfortable and had success

433
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Speaker 2: and can legitimately compete for you know, uh, you know,

434
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Speaker 2: a playoff spot of World Series Tile like those types

435
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 2: of things, then I mean, yeah, Astros absolutely could use

436
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: Victor Guarante back. He has been nothing if not consistent

437
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: and I mean a godsend for the Astros the past

438
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 2: two seasons, played way more than I think either he

439
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: or the Astros would have expected coming into that contract.

440
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: But I mean he's he's been getting He's had an

441
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: above average OPS plus in both of his seasons with

442
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 2: the Astros. Uh, He's been a good catcher. He's played

443
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 2: a lot of first base, which is still funny to

444
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 2: me that he's just good at first base, Like I mean,

445
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 2: I mean he can he can pick it over there,

446
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: he's making stuff. It's just it's very funny. Then he's like,

447
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: oh yeah I can probably do that. Throw me down there,

448
00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 2: see what happens.

449
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Speaker 1: Uh.

450
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Astros need him back for sure.

451
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. And look, this is not a he's not someone

452
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: that's never been an everyday catcher. Before he with the

453
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: Padres in twenty twenty one, he caught about eighty games,

454
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Speaker 1: which is about I mean, he played, he played in

455
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: one hundred and one, but he caught about eighty games

456
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: with the Padres in twenty one, which is about you know,

457
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: an everyday catcher probably catches a little bit more. But

458
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: he suffice to say he has caught on a more

459
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Speaker 1: regular basis other points in his career than he did

460
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Speaker 1: with the Astros. But it also brings up the question,

461
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: like did the Astros taylor their plan for him to

462
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Speaker 1: the point where like they didn't overexpose him to where

463
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Speaker 1: they played him just enough to where the bat stayed

464
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Speaker 1: where it was for the two years. And I think

465
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing. Like when they signed Victor Karattini,

466
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: they knew that he could provide, you know, stability and

467
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Speaker 1: provide just competence as a backup catcher. That's really all

468
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Speaker 1: you need. You know, you're played two days a week,

469
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Speaker 1: go back there, call a good game, you know, don't

470
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: do anything egregious back there and be, you know, have

471
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Speaker 1: some pulse at the plate. The bat seeded every expectation

472
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: that they could have had to the point where he

473
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: was hitting clean up At points this year he was dhing.

474
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: They were dhing him with Yaner in the lineup, playing

475
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Speaker 1: two catchers. His ability to pinch hit and come off

476
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: the bench cold that that's not an easy thing to do,

477
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: and he made it look easy. As far as money,

478
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: you know, he got, I mean, his his first deal

479
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: here was two for twelve, so six million each year.

480
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: I imagine he's not going to ask for a decrease

481
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Speaker 1: in salary. He will probably want a little bit more money,

482
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Speaker 1: considering he just put together two of the best seasons

483
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Speaker 1: he's ever had in his career. So maybe you're looking

484
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Speaker 1: at something like, I don't know, two for sixteen, two

485
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: for two for eighteen, I don't know. Do you want

486
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: to pay a backup catcher nine million dollars? Like, yeah,

487
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: it's or do you let another team do that? It's

488
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: there's some fascinating questions to answer. But he's somebody that

489
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: I think is gonna be hard to replace if they

490
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: if they do let him go, not from just the

491
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Speaker 1: catching like they can find a backup catcher, like there's

492
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: backup catchers everywhere, they can find one, but being able

493
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: to come off the bench as a bat, being able

494
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: to play first if you need him to, and just

495
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: he's a switch hitter. They were so right handed this

496
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: year that he was their only source of balance at

497
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: times Like it's he's probably the most difficult backup catcher

498
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: to replace in the big leagues.

499
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, especially considering who the Astros starting catcher

500
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: is in Rhiner Das somebody who has struggled defensively and also,

501
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: as we have seen, can get into very scary slumps

502
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: at the plate, and then sometimes he can be just

503
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 2: on fire and a great hitter. So it's not somebody

504
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 2: that you necessarily want to go into a season assuming

505
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: you're going to replace. You know, like the reason you

506
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: have the ianner Das on your team is you hope

507
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 2: that he can catch one hundred games a year and

508
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 2: be a really good hitter. You know, That's why you're

509
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 2: not going to get somebody else. But yeah, I mean,

510
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 2: with the flaws that Yeiner has, you need somebody who

511
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: is not only a good defensive catcher, but also somebody

512
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: that can provide stability, Yeah, you know at the plate,

513
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: standing next to the plate, not behind that, you know

514
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: what I mean, So swinging a bat up there. Uh So,

515
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of those guys. There's there's not

516
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 2: a lot of guys who are backup catchers who can

517
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: hit and are also okay, you know, they can catch

518
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: as well. There's just there's not a There's not a

519
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: ton of those, and you already have one in the building,

520
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: so keep keep that one. Here is my opinion.

521
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522
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523
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524
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525
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526
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527
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528
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529
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,280
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530
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531
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532
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560
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561
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Speaker 1: If there's anyone listening to this that I don't know

562
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563
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Speaker 1: Arkansas even we got a lot of listarch from a

564
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565
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566
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567
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568
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Speaker 1: and you have and you have an head coaching vacancy

569
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Speaker 1: at your football program, can I interest you in the

570
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571
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572
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573
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Speaker 1: of course, right, you know, I can't miss guy once

574
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Speaker 1: played for a national championship. You cannot take that away

575
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Speaker 1: from him. If any of you have any interest in

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577
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Speaker 1: I'll put you in touch with some people that can

578
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Speaker 1: put your football program to another level. Maybe not on

579
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Speaker 1: a maybe not on a catwalk, but on another level.

580
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Speaker 1: We got we uh, those two are the easy ones, right.

581
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Speaker 1: If we're gonna talk just five people and we're gonna

582
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Speaker 1: say more than five names. I think another easy one.

583
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for I think fans that grew attached to him.

584
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: I don't think Chas McCormick's back. I think that's pretty obvious.

585
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: I think his ARB numbers around four million dollars according

586
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: to MLB trade rumors. We talked earlier about Nate Pearson.

587
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: Maybe a change of scenery could help. I think Chas

588
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: mccormickuse they ideal change of scenery.

589
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: I mean, even if he were free, the Astros don't

590
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: have a spot for him.

591
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: Like it.

592
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with the ARB. I mean

593
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: it does a little bit obviously, but I mean again,

594
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: even if you were paying him and the eight other

595
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,959
Speaker 2: outfielders the exact same amount of money, you would not

596
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: have a spot for Chas McCormick. I mean, we didn't

597
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: talk about it a lot in the last episode. You know,

598
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: we talked about Zach Cole and Cam Smith obviously, but

599
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: Zach Dezenzo is going to be back next year as well,

600
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: Like Chas just doesn't have a spot, And boy do

601
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Speaker 2: I hope he can go somewhere and do one of

602
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: the little rollover e swings and hit a little looping

603
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: liner into left field, play some good defense, but I

604
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: don't think that it will be with the Astros.

605
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, the interesting thing about Chaz will be is he

606
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: just a straight non tender or you know, look, teams

607
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: have always liked his offensive profile, like teams call have

608
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: called about Chas McCormick basically at every deadline that he

609
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: had any sort of value. Chaz was asked about at

610
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Speaker 1: a lot of trade deadlines because he's got he's got

611
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: an offensive profile that suits a lot of ballparks. There's

612
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: one in the Bronx that I'm thinking about that you

613
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: know that short porch and right field. He's got the

614
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: opposite field power. He he has value. There is value

615
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: for him on the open market. Maybe another team thinks again,

616
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: change of scene or everything. We can get him in here,

617
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: clear his head and he fits the ballpark. We could

618
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: do that. I just wonder though his value at this

619
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: point is so low. It's it's so depressed that I

620
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: don't know that they could get anything. Again, getting something's

621
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Speaker 1: better than nothing. So maybe they do trade him just

622
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: for cash or for a take a flyer on a prospect,

623
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 1: see what happens. Or if he's just a straight non tender.

624
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but either way, do not believe Chas

625
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: McCormick will be with the Astros or in the organization

626
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. Another one, it's a little more

627
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: of not a slam dunk. But you know, Hayesu Sanchez,

628
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: just given what happened, given how he performed here after

629
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: the dead after coming over at the deadline, his RB

630
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: number is going to be around six and a half

631
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Speaker 1: million according to MLB trade rumors. That one is a

632
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Speaker 1: money thing, especially with you know, I think this is

633
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: where Zach Cole and Jacob Melton and all these guys

634
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: start coming into focus. Is Zach Cole and Jacob Melton

635
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: are both left handed hitting outfielders with a ton of

636
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: speed that are going to make the league minimum next year.

637
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: And it's do you think think you can recreate what

638
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: Hayesu Sanchez theoretically could give you by using guys that

639
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: are cost controlled. And I will say with Hayesue Sanchez,

640
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: he has a lot of value. Like I know, you

641
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: never saw it here. I get if you watched him

642
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: for two months with the Astros. No, you do not

643
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: think he has value. He has value. I think that's

644
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: one that he could get thrown into a trade, he

645
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: could get worked, he could get traded somewhere. And the Astros,

646
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're going to get a king's ransom

647
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: in return, but they'll get they'll get something in return

648
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: for him. So I think that one's again, like none

649
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: of these are sure things. I think Chaz is close

650
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: to a sure thing. I wouldn't say heyesus Sanchez is

651
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: a slam dunk sure thing, but I failed to see

652
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: where he fits, especially after the impression he made after

653
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: the deadline.

654
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned trying to recreate hayesus Sanchez. I think

655
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 2: you might be able to do it with just one

656
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: of those you know, wind mills at a putt putt

657
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: golf course. Uh just up there. Uh yeah, I don't.

658
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: I don't see him anywhere near the Astros. I do

659
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: agree with you that someone will want him and Chaz

660
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 2: to look he was a three and a half wind

661
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: player in twenty twenty three, like he was very good

662
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: for the Astros in twenty twenty three. I know that

663
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: we know that somewhere in the back of our heads,

664
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: but it's been a couple of years, so you you

665
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: know it's it's hard to remember that, like he was

666
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: legitimately a really good player for the Astros and uh yeah,

667
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: I mean he obviously has not been the past couple

668
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: of years, but Hazy Sanchez has been a good player

669
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: for all of his career. Outside of what we just

670
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: saw for two months with the Astros, someone will want

671
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: to take a flyer on him and we'll see. But

672
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 2: again with the with the current construction there, I don't

673
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: see any either one of those guys coming back.

674
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: Here come the more kind of difficult decisions that the

675
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: Ashers are going to have. I don't one of these

676
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 1: guys is not coming back, and it's gonna be Mauricio

677
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: Dubon or Ramon Reus just because they're redundant players. It's

678
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: and again we're gonna go to the RB numbers. When

679
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: you look at what they are both expected to get

680
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: an arbitration from MLB trade rumors, it's nearing a combined

681
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: ten million dollars between the two of them, and I'm

682
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: not sure the Astras have the appetite to sink ten

683
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: million dollars into two guys that are not going to

684
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: play every day and that are utility players.

685
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: Now you also have Bryce Matthews. Sure, you know, like

686
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: you even if you don't believe in him yet, Like

687
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: you don't want to have three second basemen in front

688
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: of Bryce Matthews.

689
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: And who knows what's gonna happen with Josel Tuba this

690
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: year where he's going to play defensively, if he even

691
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: plays any at second base, that cuts into these guys

692
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: playing time as well. Tyler, if you had to choose,

693
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: if you're Bond, if you're Dana Brown, you choose Dubon

694
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: to be on the team.

695
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, why vibesk DJ, I don't know. I mean,

696
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: they're the like you said, they're the same guy. Everybody

697
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: likes Dubai. I think sometimes in baseball sometimes you can

698
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: overthink things a little bit, and over the course of

699
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty games, you know, like, yeah, sometimes

700
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 2: you're gonna lock something in a guy and they can

701
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: become superstars. Sometimes you got two guys that are basically

702
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: doing the same thing, and one of them everybody on

703
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: the team already likes. Just keep that guy, like you, like,

704
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 2: you know, you don't have to overthink this. They're they're

705
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: gonna more or less do the same thing. And if

706
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 2: things fall apart thing. Just go get ramonaious later on.

707
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: You know, like neither one of them are so good

708
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: that they're gonna be locked up in their team and unavailable.

709
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: You know, you can find somebody, So keep the one

710
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 2: that everybody likes already. Not to say that people did

711
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: not like Ramona, is that people may love him. I

712
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: don't know, but clearly Dubon has become somebody that is

713
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: very important to the Astrosk clubhouse. And I do think

714
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 2: that there is value in that that is not shown

715
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 2: in a stat sheet. I think there is legitimate value

716
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: in trying to keep a core together the best that

717
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: you can that gets along, you know, as long as

718
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: it's not falling apart or toxic or whatever. Like, if

719
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: it's people who like being there, they like each other,

720
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: they have a good attitude. Keep those people around. Glad

721
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: just hid another bomb. It's five Oh Blue Jays.

722
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: Now you can stream game seven tomorrow box one. I

723
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: think what's gonna help Dubon, what helps his candidacy here

724
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: is he can play the outfield. They were reticent to play.

725
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: I don't think Ramona has ever played the outfield at

726
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: the big league level. They didn't want to try it.

727
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: With him when he got over here. I think Dubon

728
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: is just that much more versatile that I mean, they

729
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: can use him in the outfield, They can use him

730
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: in left field if they have catastrophe happened like this

731
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: past year. He can play center field. He's a good

732
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: center fielder, like Urius is probably the better upside bat.

733
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: But you would hope that if you're if you're counting

734
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: on your utility players to like raise the floor of

735
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: your lineup, then like you're missing the point, Like if

736
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: you need to raise the floor of your lineup, like

737
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: go make better moves for more impact than just saying, oh,

738
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 1: we want our utility guy to be a better offensive

739
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: player than his counterpart. So I tend to agree with you.

740
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: I think that I think that you know, Dubon would

741
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: be my choice. That'd be if I if I'm in

742
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: charge and I got to pick one or the other.

743
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: But I mean, who knows, Like if Dubon's got some

744
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: value out on the on the That's what I think

745
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: is going to be fascinating about all this, Like what

746
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: they should do. They should dangle all these guys in trades,

747
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: like you should call every you should say, oh, all

748
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: these guys are available, and then you see what you

749
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: get and you take the best package, right, Like, I

750
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: don't think there's a discernible Like it's not as if

751
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: between Dubon and Urius there's like one player that is

752
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: demotravely better than the other one. Like it's not. It's

753
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: not as if like the gap between the two is

754
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: that why that you have to pick one? So, I mean,

755
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: if I were, if I were in charge, I would say,

756
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: look like we're going to get rid of both of them, Like,

757
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: let me see what I can, like, go through the permutation,

758
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: see what you get, and you take the package that

759
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: you like if you're trying to trade them. And if

760
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: the package that you like just so happens to be

761
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: for Dubon, then all right, Like Ramon, Urius is not

762
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: a bad fallback plan. He's not a bad but I

763
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: think again, asking me to pick one, I'd probably side

764
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: with you and say Dubon. I didn't have him down originally,

765
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: I don't have him as one of the banner people.

766
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: But what about Jake Myers?

767
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 2: He's day.

768
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: I tend to think so too.

769
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: But they don't have another center fielder. I mean, they

770
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 2: they don't have one that they trust opening day, you

771
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: might be able to trade Jake Myers at the deadline

772
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 2: next year, which you can't this offseason. I tend to

773
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: agree again now, with trust in centerfield opening day, right,

774
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: it would only be if you've got if you've got

775
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 2: insane faith in Zach Cole or Jacob Meltin, which I

776
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 2: do not believe they have.

777
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: I think they like both players. I don't think they

778
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: think they're every they're ready to be every day.

779
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: You can trade when that becomes apparent, but yeah, you

780
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: don't need to do it now.

781
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: Right. And the last one or the last you know,

782
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: debate to have is going to be one that I

783
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: think is going to drag for a while, and it's

784
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: you know, it's Christian Walker. He stocked Paradis. I think

785
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: we'll know a little by the tender deadline of November

786
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: twenty first, because he stacked Paratus is arbitration eligible, and

787
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: he actually is arbitration eligible next year too, so he

788
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: has two more years of team control, which means his

789
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: value is very, very high. We've already talked about this

790
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: a lot. You know, if the goal is to get

791
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: money off the books, then it's Walker. But I'm not

792
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: sure how much another team is going to eat of

793
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: the contract, even though he was better in the second half.

794
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how much how many teams are going

795
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: to jump at paying two years, forty million dollars for

796
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: a thirty six year old first baseman Eastock Paradus. If

797
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: you trade Estoc Paradus, you could probably get a ton

798
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 1: back for him. I'm not talking like Kyle Tucker Hall obviously,

799
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 1: but like you get a nice package back for Estock Paradis,

800
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: who is coveted by a lot of teams, who is

801
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: going to make around ten million dollars, which is not nothing,

802
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: but it's for what he's going to provide you. It's

803
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: a it's a pretty good salary. And he's he's versatile.

804
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: He can play first base, can play third base. I

805
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: guess if a team wants to try him at second base,

806
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: go right ahead. That's not gonna If they do choose

807
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: that parade they need to explore getting parade Us off.

808
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: That's not going to be a non tender situation. That's

809
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: going to be a you tender im a contract and

810
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: then you try to work a trade somewhere. But I

811
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: really don't know. I'm I've I'll say this from just

812
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: like a reporting perspective. I don't think the Astros know

813
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: yet either. I think they're in the they're in the

814
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: part of the off season right now where like they're

815
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: having preliminary conversations about like, hey, this is like what

816
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: we're thinking. We're not fully committed to it, but like

817
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: this is where we're leaning. And I'll be brutally honest,

818
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: I don't know where they're leaning. I have no idea,

819
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: but I know they've had discussions about just like, you know,

820
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: here's what we think, here's how what we want to do.

821
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: My gut tells me that because of how limited their

822
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: lineup was this year, and because of the traits that

823
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: doomed their lineup this year, I think they're going to

824
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: try to keep Esock Paradus on the team. I don't

825
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: think you can give away everything that you want the

826
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: lineup to be is housed inside of escoc paratus. Like

827
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: you want them to be patient, you want them to

828
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: foul pitches off, you want them to be selective. He's

829
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: not a perfect hitter, he's not a perfect offensive player,

830
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: but he embodies everything that they want this lineup to be.

831
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: I find it hard to believe that they would discard

832
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: him if you know, they didn't. If they did, I

833
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 1: think they would have, you know, plans to bring guys

834
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: in of his ilk. But he seems to like it here.

835
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: The ballpark's perfect for him. He had a great year

836
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: before he tore his hamstring. My gut would tell me

837
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: that if they're choosing between these two guys, it'd be

838
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: they would choose Paradis over Walker. But I don't think

839
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: that's a slam dunk.

840
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the Astros are also not forced to get

841
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: rid of one of these two before opening day. I

842
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: mean they just aren't. Like things happened. Things happen over

843
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 2: the off season. People get injured, you know, you could

844
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: eight other people around, Like there's no rule that says

845
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: like you have to get rid of one of these

846
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: guys before opening day. I think those things shake out

847
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: throughout the season anyway. And I mean, as we saw

848
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 2: last year, like people get hurt all the time, and

849
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: you move people around, and there's no reason to rush

850
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: into getting rid of trading Christian Walker at the bottom

851
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: of his value, or trading a guy that you really

852
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: like in estoc prates, which even as good as Paratees is,

853
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: when you say a Hall coming back, like you know, like, yes,

854
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: it's going to be a couple of good play, but

855
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 2: you're not getting like a.

856
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: Top you would get a major league ready player, correct,

857
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: and you would probably get a mid level prospect, which

858
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: that is totally like that is not informed information. That

859
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: is me just totally just off the top of my

860
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: head thinking.

861
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: Right, but you already have a major league ready player

862
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: in estoc Parates. So my point, my point is like

863
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: the Hall that you get back for him is essentially

864
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: replacing parades on your roster and then hoping that this

865
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 2: prospect is like okay, like you know, are you that

866
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: excited about you know, this is like you said, this

867
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: isn't Kyle Tucker where you're gonna get a top pick

868
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: and estoc paratees. You know, like that that's Haynen was

869
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 2: an asky who had absolutely yeah, but like like yes,

870
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: sanster'steen pitching. You know, you could certainly see a scenario

871
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: where if you could tray parades for two starting pitchers

872
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 2: at the major league level, like that would fit their

873
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: team better. But you know, I mean to me, I

874
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 2: think you just first off, try to see if you

875
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: can play second base, Try to see what happens in

876
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: this offseason. Move other people that you can. I don't

877
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: think this has to be your top priority that you

878
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: have to build around. I think the rest of the

879
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: roster will make itself clear. And if you get to

880
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 2: April and you're like, what are we going to do

881
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: with this guy, Esti Paraties is still going to have

882
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,919
Speaker 2: the same amount of value as he does right now.

883
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 2: You know, like he's not going to become forgotten about

884
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 2: just because it's opening Day. And that's that's my thought anyway,

885
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 2: with people like this, where it's again you're not building

886
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 2: a team around estiph Parades. He's a very nice piece

887
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: to have, but you don't have to like alter your

888
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 2: entire roster to figure out where to put him. You'll

889
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: figure it out. Christian Walker just could also just be

890
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 2: so bad that you're like, fine, play Easti Parades at

891
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: first base and just dump it. Doesn't mean you know

892
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 2: you'll figure it out. It will become clear throughout the season.

893
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: And I think, if anything, we have learned that one

894
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 2: of the most surefireways to be a good baseball team

895
00:48:55,400 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: in the current state of MLB is to have five

896
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 2: major League ready players in your organization and you're gonna

897
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 2: have to use them all anyway at some point, like

898
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 2: this is not a league anymore that you just you

899
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 2: just skate by with the twenty five. You know you're

900
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: going to need to have a lot of these guys

901
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: on there, and you already have them on your team.

902
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: Now, two things you just said that I want to

903
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: emphasize and you know, maybe expound upon a little bit.

904
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: First of all, you never know what's gonna happen when

905
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: you get to spring training. They keeping like teams keep

906
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 1: in touch with players all through all through the winner.

907
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: They check in on them, they get videos. They until

908
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: you lay your eyes on someone, you never know what

909
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna get until you get to Florida or Arizona.

910
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: I say that to me like they could, like another

911
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: team could get to spring training and their first basement

912
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: could show up and say, hey, you know I was

913
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was hitting this offseason and

914
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: something in my elbows didn't feel right. My trainer said

915
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: it was all right, and they send them for an MRI.

916
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: And like he has John Carlo Stanton tennis elbow and

917
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: he can't hit for six months. And then Christian Walker

918
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: estak paratus becomes a lot more in demand, and the

919
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: Astros can you know, hold them captive basically because they

920
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: have all the leverage, like if these teams get the

921
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: spring training and they need a first basement or they

922
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: need an infielder, like, so there is validity to what

923
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: you said that, like they don't have to make the

924
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: decision by the tender deadline of November twenty first, or

925
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 1: by the winter meetings in December, or like the day

926
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: pitchers and catchers' report. So I mean you saw it

927
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: was it two years ago with the Astros when they

928
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: were when Jim Crane was trying to get him a

929
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: sign Blake Snell and spring training after Erkidi blew out,

930
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: like and I mean it happens all the time, like

931
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 1: things happen in spring training or things happen when teams

932
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: report to spring training, and that sends teams back onto

933
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: the market. So keep that in mind too. And then

934
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: the other thing you said is they obviously need pitching.

935
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: I think all these questions were asking, like who who's gone,

936
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: Who's like it has to revolve around because Dana Brown

937
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: said at their end of season news conference that they

938
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: were going to be in the trade market for a

939
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: starting pitcher. I don't know why he felt it necessary

940
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: to specify the trade market, but the fact that he

941
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: said it would lead me to believe that they are

942
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: going to be scouring the trade market for a starting pitcher.

943
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: If they identify a starting pitcher or two that they

944
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: like a lot, that they think they can either help

945
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: or that has established himself to where he doesn't need

946
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: helping just be a plug and play guy, that should

947
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: determine who they pick. Because I think if the twenty

948
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: twenty six Asters are going anywhere, it's going to be

949
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: you know, they're going to need the lineup to respond obviously,

950
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: but like they're going to have to replace from Or

951
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: and they're going to have to get some more reassurance

952
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: and depth behind Hunter Brown, Christian Javier and maybe Spencer

953
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: Arighedtty depending.

954
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: On how his elbow is.

955
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: You're forgetting one oh Aj Bluebaugh. You know, I think

956
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: that should be the determined. Like, look, if if you

957
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: like the starting pitcher that is in the if you've

958
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: got a deal for a starting pitcher that you really like,

959
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: and they want Estoc Paradus, then you know what, like

960
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: you can find players that to recreate Escoc Paradus in

961
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: the aggregate. Like, like, I think that has to be

962
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: front of mine too, because like we can talk about

963
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: salaries and payroll and look, Jim Crane's gonna want them

964
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: to be under the luxury tax by the time the

965
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: season starts. That's always his mo is. If he's gonna

966
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: go over, it'll be at the deadline when he sees

967
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 1: where the team is and whether they have a legitimate

968
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: shout at a playoff spot, he'll do it. But before

969
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: the year, he's gonna want them away from the luxury tax.

970
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 1: So they're gonna have to shed some payroll, they're gonna

971
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: have to get some money off the books. But I

972
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: think first and foremost should be if they're talking about

973
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: trading anyone, is it for a starting pitcher? Is it

974
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: the picture you like? And if you like him to me?

975
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: You know, look, there are a couple guys obviously not

976
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: gonna move. But these people were talking about that we've

977
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: talked about for the past fifty minut It's like at

978
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: that point, it's like you picked the picture, you pick

979
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: the picture you want, you pick the picture you have

980
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: access to, and you deal with the lineup later.

981
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's true. I also don't know that

982
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 2: I want to be trading for a picture in November

983
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: and December. Just wait until it comes back to spring training, because,

984
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 2: like you said, things can happen all the time. I

985
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 2: do want to say I'm on early best shape of

986
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: my life. Watch for Christian Walker for spring training. I'm

987
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: calling it. Now, that's going to be. That's going to be.

988
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 2: I mean, of course everyone comes in best shape of

989
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 2: their life, but that's I'm going with it. Now that

990
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: that's going to be. You're going to write a story

991
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 2: it's like Christian Walker lost fifteen pounds and put on

992
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 2: muscle and he's in the best shape of his life.

993
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 2: That's happening.

994
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: I'll I'll refute that and you can maybe speak on

995
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 1: authority to this. Christian Walker has first kid in August,

996
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: and so he has an off season of being a

997
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: dad for the first time ever. Does that put weight

998
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: on you or does that get weight off of you? Oh?

999
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 2: I think I think you get dad's strength. I think

1000
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: you get I think you get stronger. You also get

1001
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: a lot of early and late walks in you know,

1002
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 2: trying to let mom sleep while you take the kids

1003
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 2: for a walk. You're armed. I mean, he's probably not

1004
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 2: gonna notice carrying around fifteen pounds all the time. But

1005
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 2: as someone who does not attend to gym regularly, let

1006
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 2: me tell you, I was like, hey, check me out.

1007
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 2: I'm walking around with this bowling ball with me all

1008
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 2: the time, Like I feel like I'm getting stronger over here.

1009
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, that makes it even I'm doubling down on

1010
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: this for sure, coming in best shape of his life,

1011
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 2: because the other thing is you go insane the first

1012
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 2: few months of having a child, and all you can

1013
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 2: do is try to get out of the house for

1014
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: an hour. And I would I would assume, again not

1015
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 2: a gym guy, but I would assume going to the

1016
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 2: gym for an hour is probably a great excuse to

1017
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 2: get out of the house for an hour while your

1018
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 2: kid is screaming. So best shape of his life. It's

1019
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 2: it's kind of it. So everybody, Dana Brown needs to

1020
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 2: wait on the Christian Walker Trade talks until Chandler puts

1021
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,920
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1022
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