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Speaker 1: This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless,

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Speaker 1: severely bug bitten in my case, underwear listening podcast. You

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Speaker 1: can't predict anything. Um, first thing I want to talk about,

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Speaker 1: I want to revisit some of your time about earlier,

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Speaker 1: earlier today, Danny, I didn't know that when when you uh,

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Speaker 1: I knew you shot a mule deer out of a

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Speaker 1: it off the branch of a tree. No, like, you're

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Speaker 1: not into the whole safety hirness scene and all that.

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Speaker 1: You're just like sitting up in the limb of a

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Speaker 1: But that's that's so old school man. Well, it was

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Speaker 1: I think it catches people by surprise, falling out of trees.

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Speaker 1: So how did you like pull back and swing the

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Speaker 1: bone everything up there, just standing on a branch. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: standing on a big big I've done a lot of that.

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Speaker 1: Actually that's my m O hunting down south for a

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Speaker 1: long time. Uh yeah, I don't know. I just make

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Speaker 1: being full drawing, especially with a ree curve. But it's

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Speaker 1: like it's it's just it was this cotton with the

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Speaker 1: well dirt probably knows the tree. But yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: always muled your hang out in your dad's place. But um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a big that cotton when it has like a

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Speaker 1: standards shimmying up in there, settling and shot with your

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Speaker 1: But yeah, she meet up in there, and didn't you

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Speaker 1: I think I've had a string to pull off. Was

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Speaker 1: one of those Nascar harnesses five point harness. That's all, um,

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Speaker 1: Buck Bowden, can you first off do you mind first

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Speaker 1: off telling about uh how you how you got the

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Speaker 1: name buck? Oh yeah, because you were born Mike Bod Yes,

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Speaker 1: I was born Mike Boding hidden Alaska outfit. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: was my first winter and nome um as at school there.

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Speaker 1: It was right when locking buck knives had first come out.

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Speaker 1: So so there I am the new kid in town

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Speaker 1: in high school and I'm taking this buck knife at night,

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Speaker 1: just been given and um, I think it was my uncle.

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Speaker 1: You know, that guy's living. He was trying to, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, get me to be uh you know, an

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Speaker 1: Alaska native kind of a thing, you know. So so

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Speaker 1: gets me this locking buck knife and I'm at school

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Speaker 1: and I'm flipping it around and catching it by the blade.

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Speaker 1: So um, I catch him by the blade. But then

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Speaker 1: so then I sliced my thumb open, had to go

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Speaker 1: But because I heard the story originally just because people

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Speaker 1: bandage had they had just sown attending together, and so

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Speaker 1: school the next day doing it with my other hand. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so and the same thing happened there. So there I

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Speaker 1: at school now with both of my thumbs bandaged up.

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Speaker 1: And ever since then they gave me the name Buck

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Speaker 1: So I was with my left hand and the next

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Speaker 1: He actually said that I had the brains of a cabbage,

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Speaker 1: he thought. So they bandage that hand up, and when

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, I can't bend them forward, but they

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Speaker 1: automatically spring back to the ninety degree position of work

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Speaker 1: for a place called professional tree service, you know, climbing

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Speaker 1: cut off his middle finger. I assumed it was from

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Speaker 1: Oh really, Yeah, But when he was holding the when

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Speaker 1: finger because the glove, you know, his leather glove would

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Speaker 1: always be sticking out. Man. Quick side note. The same

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Speaker 1: guy he bought a house and someone told him when

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Speaker 1: money somewhere in the yard. We don't know where and when.

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Speaker 1: He'd always be out digging around in his yard. It's

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Speaker 1: like his part of his morning routine would be to

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Speaker 1: money with nine fingers. But with it with this sad,

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Speaker 1: type of chainsaw called a sax dolmar. You know that's

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Speaker 1: pure Illinois. Yeah. And so anyway, I was at a

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Speaker 1: And were your parents were there? Was there the plan

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Speaker 1: I mean that it wasn't the thing where yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: think it was about a year later, No, a year

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Speaker 1: then you know, we we we're still real real close

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Speaker 1: what adigitous group? Is it known? It would be the Inupiats. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And then so I'd live but um, you know, I

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Speaker 1: worthless mountain man. And I succeeded. You just found an

426
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: outfit or too. Yeah, um yeah, yeah, the uh the

427
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: outfit that went out to work for. He would look

428
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 1: for somebody to uh rotting and take care of the horses,

429
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: and um, you know it was like you know, duh

430
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,479
Speaker 1: who who? Who would what? What? What? Kid wouldn't wouldn't

431
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: want to go live out in the woods and his

432
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: main transportation being mean horses living off the land and

433
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,719
Speaker 1: I mean that, So this guy was keeping his horses

434
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: out over the winter. Yeah, we actually took took the horses,

435
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: and ye had the we were The first thoughts were

436
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: that we were going to be flying, you know, bringing

437
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: the horses and riding the horses in and out every winter.

438
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: But that tripped in with the horses was so miserable

439
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: that that we decided to win or the horses in there.

440
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: But now this isn't the same trip that you went

441
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: in to find your lodge for the first time. Oh no, no,

442
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: this is different. Yeah, this is this is early. This

443
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: is before I didn't really stake uh uh the lodge

444
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: land until seventies six. This is after I'd already been

445
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: established further a valley about twenty five miles up from

446
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: where to lodge is now so talking about So there's

447
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: an outfitter that wants to get some horses back into

448
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: the bush and he wants to use them to hunt

449
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 1: sheep and mooth with. Yeah, and but there's no trail,

450
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: there's no what's the take to get the horses in there? Like,

451
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: what kind of journey is that? Um man, it's just

452
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: for one thing, Alaska at least at least south central

453
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: Alaska is really not good horse country. I mean it's swampy,

454
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: there's willows. It's just it's just miserable, you know. Mean, uh,

455
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: it's not not like you know, the West, where you've

456
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: got solid ground, you know. Yeah. Now and uh so yeah,

457
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: the uh we started heading out there, we're we're you know,

458
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: having this vision of you know, the mountain men heading

459
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: off into uh into the mountain. Everything's going to be

460
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: rosy and and uh ends up to get getting stuck

461
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: in a willow patches, getting the horses mired down and

462
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: um the willows. We got to one one creek where

463
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: we had to uh we couldn't cross it Hilton River,

464
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: so we had to go clear up to Mountain McKinley

465
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: across Hilton and glacier come down the other side. And

466
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: then uh so how many miles does this trip went

467
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: up being with these horses? Yeah, and well as the

468
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: crow flies only about a about a hundred and twenty miles,

469
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: but as if you follow the path and probably being

470
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty three hundred, you know, just from

471
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: all the detours we had to take, and how many

472
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: horses we started out seven? I gather that means someone

473
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: didn't make it. Yeah, yeah, we started started out with seven.

474
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: And then we we we had had the the river

475
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: destination in mind where we were going to go. And

476
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: then when instead of a base camp, to start guiding exactly,

477
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: and uh and of course I was just the gold

478
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: for it. At this point, I was just you know,

479
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: one um you know the other uh, two guys I

480
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: was with, they were the they were the licensed guides.

481
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: I was the new new kid on the block that

482
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: was just there to help for for for the adventure.

483
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: So they think at first like we'll bring these horses

484
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: in dty miles or whatever and then we'll hunt all

485
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: fall and then ride them back to town exactly at

486
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: the winning closed never came back to oh no, no no,

487
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: And then all the other horses that we took out there.

488
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: We ended up flying in you know, to um. There

489
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: was a mine strip that was quite a way down,

490
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: so we'd bload horses up into a caribou and fly

491
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: them out and then right ride them up valley. What

492
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: in the hell are you feeding them out there in

493
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: the wintertime on the wintertime, Well, you know, when we'd

494
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: have the beaver come out, they would bring clients, and

495
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: an empty plane would come out to pick up clients.

496
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: We'd we'd fill a plane up with oats and uh,

497
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: you know, compressed bales about falfa um. And then I

498
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: remember many times having to lay on top of bags

499
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: of feed in the plane, you know, to get get

500
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: somewhere because we had to have feed in there. But

501
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: then we supplemented further further roughage during the winter. I

502
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: cut birch trees and drink dragon whole birch trees, and

503
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: they would they would eat eat the birch limbs, even

504
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: the whole tree for for their roughage. So at him

505
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: once in the morning, once in the evening, um uh

506
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: scoop of pellette, scoop of boats and then a leaf

507
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: leaf about falfa. Then when they would get really cold

508
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: when we're talking, you know, thirty five degree below zero

509
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: would supplement their feed with molasses. You know that that

510
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: would make sense with it. And you know, Steve, it

511
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: was really crazy. These these horse the first horse that

512
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: we had. Uh. We we bought them. Uh. They came

513
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: from the Yukon, Yeah, and we bought them. They they

514
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: were they were young, they didn't know what in the

515
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: World War world to do. But when we went out there.

516
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: I remember the first first year, we tried building him

517
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: a shelter like a barn, may makeshift barn to keep going,

518
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 1: and said, and they would not did no matter of

519
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: freezing rain, freezing cold, uh snow, they would not go

520
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: into any kind of shelter. They would just come and

521
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: and stand with their butts up against the door of

522
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: the cabin there and and uh, but but they were

523
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: they were so tough, so rangy, you know that they were. Um,

524
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: they were pretty amazing. And and we we we actually

525
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: did try getting some horses from from the lower forty

526
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: eight and brought them up and too of them didn't

527
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: even like last the first winter. Absolutely, man, if a

528
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: guy up here, if he won't won't want a horse

529
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: for the type operation what we're gonna do if you

530
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: can get it from Canada, that's the way to do it. Um.

531
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: So eventually comes up like, well, someone's gonna have to

532
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: stay here with the horses all winner because we can't

533
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: ride them out, and that becomes your job. It's not

534
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: my job. It was my wish. So then here you are.

535
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna spend You're spending the whole winter out

536
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: in the bush by yourself. Oh yeah, man, here's this

537
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: kid from Illinois. All his life he wanted to be

538
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Johnson, you know, he wanted to he wanted to

539
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: trap and and uh you know, just just be be

540
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: a mountain man. And here's my opportunity. I mean, right

541
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 1: down to the horses and sawbucks and having to use

542
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: the horses to run the trapline. You know, we there

543
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: were no snow machines. The only mechanical thing we had

544
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: out there was a change all the ram about half

545
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: the time. You know, everything else was uh you know,

546
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: either on old wooden snow shoes running the trap line

547
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: when it got too deep for the horses, or know,

548
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: the beginning the season, I have to have the horses

549
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: to run and go ahead and string the steel and

550
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: then i'd um go, you don't use the horses. I'd

551
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: build a little lean twos that that uh, you know,

552
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: out of spruce trees. You know, I'd cut across bar,

553
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: put spruce trees on it and just just basically made

554
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: made a little cave about the spruce trees. It was

555
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: snow over the top top of that, and it'd be

556
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: a shelter, you know. So I spend the night out

557
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: in in those and uh, you know, and because so

558
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: I had three I had three lines out. I had

559
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: my up river line, my down river line, and my

560
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: upper mountain line and the mountain mountain line. It was

561
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: it was only about two miles straight straight up the mountain.

562
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: That's the one i'd take on the you know what

563
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: I wanted to break. And then the other ones were

564
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: they were like five miles long, so ten ten miles

565
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: round trip, which which when you have an established trail,

566
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: snowshoot trail, I mean, you can scoop right right along.

567
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: But when you have a fresh snow, of course, you

568
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: haven't having to break break trail, so it can kind

569
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: of kind of wear you out a little bit. It's

570
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: your trap A pine Martin Lynx Wolverine, Uh, yeah. My

571
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: big money makers were um Martin number one, wolverine, number

572
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: two beaver. The price on beaver were high then. And uh,

573
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: first I tried trapping beaver through through the ice. You know,

574
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: all the all the romantic things you see in the

575
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: books about cutting a hole and making your pole and wiring,

576
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, forget that. I just started trapping the bank beavers,

577
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: you know. And when it was cold, you wouldn't see them.

578
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 1: But as soon as you get a warm snap, the

579
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: beaver would be out, like you know, they'd be coming out,

580
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, smelling the front fresh air, and and and

581
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: they'd be everywhere, and they were a lot easier to take.

582
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: Then focus on him in the spring, I'm sorry, you'd

583
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: focus on him in the spring none, and in the fall,

584
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, early on and then and then even throws

585
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: up and ride exactly yeah, and then and then even

586
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: like like like I said, when there'd be a warm

587
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: spell come up, you know, you'll have to have your

588
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: chinooks come in and January, you know, late December, January, February,

589
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: and be beaver will come out then and then they'll

590
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: go back in once that warm warm spells over. But

591
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: it was more I caught more in the fall, because

592
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: usually had try and get out of there, um you know,

593
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: the end of February and trying to hit the for

594
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: rendezvous and hit the fur auctions and sell my furs.

595
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: You know, So were you making more money trapping or

596
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: more money taking care of these horses. I wouldn't getting

597
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: paid to take care of the horses I had to.

598
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: I was just out there, you know, voluntarily. I wanted

599
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: to be there. So I wasn't getting paid to take

600
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: take care of the horses. Um. It was who wanted

601
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: to make any money? I had to trap, but I

602
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: had had had no expenses. You know, they they paid

603
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: for my food. You know what what food they would

604
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: give me, of course, you know, all the prime stuff

605
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: like uh, butter and potatoes and everything. It was always

606
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: gone within the first month and then usually ended up

607
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: the last couple of months. And I would be in

608
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: there there, had nothing but a strict meat diet. You know.

609
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: I'd have to shoot a moose and and then I

610
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: live live on the moose. It was. I had a

611
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: grinder out there, so it'd be like, you know, I'd

612
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: grind up some mooseburger, had mooseburger in the morning, and

613
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: then then moose steak for lunch, mooseburger in the evening,

614
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: the moose steak for breakfast, and so it kind of altered.

615
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: I'd always had have some some kind of a moose concoction.

616
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: You know, your beaver meat. Oh, man, beaver is really

617
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: actually pretty good. It is. Yeah. Um. And then I

618
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,439
Speaker 1: remember one time called Lynx, and uh, I tried eating

619
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 1: the links and the Lynx was I was amazed. Lynx

620
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: is really good, you know. Um. And I've tried a

621
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: few other things. I remember, Uh, one time, Well, I'm

622
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: gonna try some wolverine. I take the skulls like like

623
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: the wolf wolverine, and I boil them, you know, to

624
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: keep the skulls clean. So I thought, this ain't been

625
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 1: boiling for a while. That meat's got to be pretty tender.

626
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: So I pulled a skull out and I just kind

627
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: of take it. Look at it looks pretty tender, kind

628
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: of been into it like like an apple. Bad idea.

629
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: It's like the muscle. No, it's not. Now would you

630
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: eat pine squirrel, porcupine? Uh, pork? During the summer for

631
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: for meat, Usually what I do in the spring I

632
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: would shoot a black bear and then I had to

633
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: make makeshift smoker that that I'd smoke up the black

634
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: bear meat. And then for fresh meat, it would have

635
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: to be uh uh ate a lot of grade in

636
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: a rainbow out of the river. But but i'd also

637
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: um eat a lot of porky pine, um you know,

638
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: um snow, snowshoe hair, um, grouse anything. You know. Of

639
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: course we wouldn't take it, take any mooser because it

640
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: just wouldn't keep there any way way to preserve. But

641
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of small game. And then

642
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: eventually the fall comes and it's time to guide, right yeah,

643
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: and that became kind of your you kind of oh yeah, yeah,

644
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Not not only the passion, but uh you know,

645
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: at some point to a guy said well, you know,

646
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: I need I need to make some money. So uh yeah,

647
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: my first uh first first to your your guide now

648
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: was um really scared nervous. But but once the guy

649
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: guy got out there, um he was from Hungry, didn't

650
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: um speak any English. Your first client was hungry. He

651
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: was yeah, yeah, he didn't speak speaking any English, and

652
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: and so um he pretty much depended on me. And

653
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: it was kind of like, uh, you know, wow, there's

654
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: somebody out there that depends on me, I have kind

655
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: of had his life in my hand. I felt powerful

656
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: because I was really secure and I can take this

657
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: guy out and take take care of him. He sure

658
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: couldn't take care of himself. And were you calling moves them? Uh? Yeah? Yeah?

659
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: And I learned from the guys I first started without there.

660
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: I'd listened to him, and the first time I saw

661
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: it happened, I was like, Wow, this really works. And

662
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: then a lot of it came to rip a cow

663
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: call for us real quick. Oh, it gives me a

664
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: little chub. Now do the do the do a bull call? Yeah?

665
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: And and and you have to try and protect everybody

666
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: wants to go out there with the birch bark cones

667
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,959
Speaker 1: and everything else. But to me, that's just just ridiculous. Yeah.

668
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: And then and then there's uh under says some you

669
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: know people have these um make make a hole in

670
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: the bottle of coffee, can pull a rope through it,

671
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: and none that ever ever, I sounded real to me,

672
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: And a lot of the what I would do, I

673
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: would actually be out there and actually here the cows

674
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: or here the bulls. And then and then just try

675
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: and mimic that. You know, I've yet to hear have

676
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: yet to hear a Kyle never heard a call to

677
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: a call call? Oh man, every every yeah yeah, bulls

678
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: but every year pretty common. I mean me, I mean,

679
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: but yeah, I remember I've been laying in in the

680
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:57,959
Speaker 1: sleeping bag at night in moose camp here in Kyls Colins. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

681
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: you know what I say that man, But I gotta

682
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: checking my older brother, my mother, not day any here,

683
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: but my other older brother, because maybe the more I

684
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: think about it, I think that I got talk to

685
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: him about it. I think years ago we did. Yeah,

686
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta ask Hi about that because I

687
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: have like the vaguas recollection of it. But uh, back

688
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: in this chat from Hungary, this is your first guiding experience.

689
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: It is my my my very first son. Does the

690
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: guy get a moose? Yes? He did, Yeah, and it

691
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: was it was so so funny when I, uh, you know,

692
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: he was scared to death of horses, and of course

693
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: all the horses had different personalities, you know, and and

694
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: so I tried put him on the uh most docile

695
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: horse we had, but but still the same token. You

696
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: know that a horse, a horse can really sense an

697
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: inexperienced rider. You know, he'd an old punky. She'd kind

698
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: of looked back and put it with her eyes and

699
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: she said, yeah, I got this guy's ticket. I know

700
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: what I can get get away with. And we we'd

701
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: go off up the trail and punk you'd take him

702
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: underneath branches, you know, and knock him off. Yeah, and

703
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: of course yeah, he's uh like like with the rain,

704
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: you're you're trying to teach him, well, the horses are

705
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: net neck rain. But of course you know he's he's

706
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: got the reins and he's trying to trying to pull

707
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: him like uh, you know, pull the head one way

708
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: or the next. And she didn't like that. It was like,

709
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: you know, final life had enough, you know, the what

710
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: what what what she's thinking and he just he just

711
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: couldn't get it. Guy a great guy, and it was

712
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: it was fun. It was a fun experience. And being

713
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: able to just have somebody else's you know, life in

714
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: my own hands and being able to to take him

715
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: whatever was they were looking for was fun. Did you

716
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 1: did you like being responsible for someone because you'd always

717
00:40:54,840 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: perceived yourself as the troublemaker and the derelict, and here

718
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: was sort of a way that of proving that that

719
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: wasn't true, Like, what do you mean that you liked having?

720
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: Now that's a that's a little deep. I never really

721
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: thought about that. I mean it might be a little deep.

722
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: I mean there's gonna be something going on. Why did

723
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: you like having? I never really tried to analyze it,

724
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: But to me, it was just, um, you know, I

725
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: didn't see see it, you know, from my from my

726
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: fault as a as a kid. I I just saw

727
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: it just enjoying taking this guy out because because I'm

728
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: really good at what I'm what I'm doing, and uh,

729
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: something I've always wanted to do. Did you like that? Uh,

730
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 1: like the teacher role, like show someone something you liked,

731
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: you show someone something you love to kind of yeah,

732
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: I guess I really enjoyed the uh, you know, especially

733
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: beating being at at that that age somebody looking up

734
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: to me, you know, somebody's older me, older than me,

735
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: a senior looking up to me and and asking me

736
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: these questions, how did we do this? How do we

737
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: do that? Or just seeing me as uh, um, you know,

738
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: the expert and what I'm doing and that that that

739
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: that that felt good from from the client's perspective, was

740
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: probably really cool to be hanging with someone that was

741
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: that connected to the landscape. Oh yeah, because I think

742
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: at least in this day and age and maybe then too,

743
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: so many of these guys roll in just for a

744
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: few weeks here in hunt and season somewhere in lower

745
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: forty eight and yeah, and plus I I suppose I

746
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: probably probably looked apart too. You know, here's this here's

747
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: this guy with a longer hair and the cloak close

748
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: a war. Not that I was trying to address the part.

749
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: It's just that you naturally fall into into the look

750
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: and the mystique, you know, the movement you do just

751
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: somebody that's lived in the bush, and you know, you

752
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 1: get these people from that come in that are pretty

753
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: much city born and uh you know, d owing the

754
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: city and they they can they can see that that

755
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: you've been out in the bush and you're comfortable out

756
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: there and you're confident and yeah, and that they don't

757
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: have any problem and putting their life in your hand.

758
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: How long did you guide for that outfit before going

759
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: off and trying to start your own outfitting business. Oh.

760
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: I was with him until clear through the clear through

761
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: the eighties, and then I got my master guideline or

762
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: and then I went into business from I think my

763
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: first hunters were like n somewhere right by yourself. And

764
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: at that point where you already you were already had

765
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: experienced guiding the things like the main things you like

766
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: to focus on now our doll, sheep, moose, and brown bears,

767
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: right right, doll sheep, moose, brown bear, grizzly. They're they're

768
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: what we're most noted for in that order. Yeah, and

769
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: that was your order again, uh, sheep, moose, brown bear, grizzly. Yeah,

770
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: and that that's basically more what you know, what we

771
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: had out there, but what I cut my teeth on.

772
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: And uh and in our area you know just has

773
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: has a good, good population of all those. So when

774
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: you went into business by yourself, that's what you focused on,

775
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: right Yeah, Yeah, we advertise more for you know. Um

776
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,479
Speaker 1: and if you want to take care of Boo black bear,

777
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: they're out there, and uh, you know you can go

778
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: ahead and and take them and don't know, no extra

779
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: charge out there. Because I've always been a firm believia.

780
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: If you book a tent tent ten day hunt, you

781
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: ought to be able to stay out there and hunt

782
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: hunt for ten ten days, you know. But those times

783
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: of changing now oh boy, big time. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

784
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 1: no one wants to hunt hard anymore. Yeah they yeah,

785
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: and and that that that' say you just can't events

786
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: a lot of these people that very rarely do these

787
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: animals come in and surrender. I mean you've actually got

788
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: to go out there and work for him. You have

789
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: to get wet, you have to get dirty, you have

790
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: to uh yeah, you've got to be uncomfortable some sometimes

791
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: and you have to work work hard at it, and uh,

792
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: you know, you have have to be able to accept

793
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: disappointment sometimes. You know that animals aren't always going to

794
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: move the way you want. And a guide can be

795
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: out there and you can have all the experience and

796
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: the expertise in the world, but sometimes, uh you know,

797
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: there's uh, you know, that's not enough. These animals don't

798
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: care whether you see them or not. They're going to

799
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: do their very best to avoid you. And you were

800
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 1: but you were involved in Alaska hunting at a time

801
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: when there was still a bit of like exploration going on, right,

802
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: I mean not like big like Matt making, but I

803
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: mean that you could pioneer new hunting spots back then.

804
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah, and that and that was part

805
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: of the part of the fun I had when I

806
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: went out out there there there too. And my uh

807
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: to me, part of my job or my my obligations

808
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: to were to take the horses and just head that

809
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: way to see what's over there, you know, And they

810
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: were they were still areas that are you know, wild word,

811
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: nobody was hunting in. Nobody had really been in there

812
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: and tried it out. And I'd take the horses and

813
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: I'd head up and into the mountains for days, you know, uh,

814
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: exploring new places. So did you find like a lot

815
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: of little sheep spots and stuff that people just hadn't

816
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: hunted sheep? Yeah, Well, the area where we hunted it

817
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: was before the Donale National Park and Preserve was um

818
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: um implemented. So we'd go up the head of the

819
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: valley and we'd always heard they were sheep up there,

820
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: and and so we took the horses up there. It took,

821
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: you know, about three days went up there just to

822
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: check it out. And I saw that the west sheep

823
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 1: but there. So we went ahead and booked a couple

824
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: of hunters and took them up there. Before that, it

825
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: was just you know, I people would fly up there,

826
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: but we we didn't really have access to airplanes or

827
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: anything that things like like that, so it was just

828
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: all everything we did exploring we did. We're all a

829
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: horseback And what would be a long hunt for you

830
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: guys back then? Ten days? Yeah, everything is usually based

831
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: on ten days. But what about when you just messing

832
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: around by yourself? Um me, as far as my hunting goes,

833
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. Pretty much just hunting every day. I mean,

834
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: if there's a time where, like during trapping season or whatever,

835
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: and I needed moose, I just go out there and

836
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get hardcourt with the clients. You know, you're

837
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: obligated to hit it hard all day, every every day.

838
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: And I just when I was out there by myself,

839
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: hunting on my own, I just do it at my

840
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: own convenience, you know, if I wanted to or needed it,

841
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: or if I got hungry. What's a master guide license? Um? Well,

842
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: it's basically just to uh. It holds the same weight

843
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: as a registered guide license, but it's a it's a

844
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: longevity thing that you qualify for it. Begat how many

845
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: years you've had to been a master or a registered

846
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: guide for so many years, had so many favorable recommendations

847
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: been approved by the guideboard before they'll issue you a

848
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: master guide license. So it takes a minimum of at

849
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: least twenty two or twenty three years to become a

850
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: master guide because you've had to do done your initiation

851
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: as an assistant guide, which takes three years. Then you

852
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: can apply to take your registered guide test at least

853
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: that this Batmack when I did it in the seventies.

854
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: And then then you've had to have been a registered

855
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: guide book so many hunters had so many favorable recommendations

856
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: from them, and then you can apply for your master

857
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: guide license. And how many master guides do you think

858
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: are in this state now? I'm not sure I know.

859
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: Um uh, they don't reissue him uh a master guide

860
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: license number. I've got one of the one of the

861
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: lower active master guide numbers right right now. In fact,

862
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: I remember it's it's eighty. Uh. I remember when I

863
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: took my guy to become a master guide. Yes, yeah, yeah,

864
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: I remember. Um, And of course there's they've all died,

865
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: you know, sent a lot of times you reached some

866
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: mass master guide status. That's, um, you're not around, but

867
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: but longer after that. But when I took my registered

868
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: guide test in n It was one of one of

869
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: the yeah, the biggest accomplishments of my life to that

870
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: that point. I remember, Um, I did that, I did,

871
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: had the written and then I passed the orals and uh.

872
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: And when I came out of the orals, I was

873
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: out in the hall waiting in the and the gal

874
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: that was given the test of work for the state,

875
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: she came out and she said, Mike. She walked out

876
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: to me, looked at me, she said, congratulations, You're the

877
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: youngest registered guide in the state. So I was the

878
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: youngest registered guide in the state at that point. Yeah,

879
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought that was a real So I

880
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: took her out to dinner that night. I had some Yeah,

881
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: there you go. Can you give us an example of

882
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: like a question that you had answer in the in

883
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: the orals or any any questions that test. Yeah, yeah,

884
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: I remember, okay, Um for instance, some of the it

885
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: was some of the questions, uh, what are the uh

886
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: four four mammals in Alaska remained white year round? That

887
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: would be a question. Let me let me do that one.

888
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: I got three year round. It's always the port. Yeah. Yeah,

889
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: there's a key there's a key word. Yeah, it's a

890
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 1: trick question. Yeah, but I got it. Okay, Now I'm

891
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: goofed up the question again. Question, what are the four

892
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: mammals that remained white year? Dirtmouth? You got it? I

893
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: think so ridge pounder. Don't we say mammals little over

894
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: emphasize there's a whale that stays white. Yeah, we're just

895
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: talking about dead ones a minute ago or an hour ago. Yes,

896
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: the bluga whale. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what the

897
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: answer three are? It's amazing how so many people and

898
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: they're sitting in my loge and some of them are

899
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: hanging on the wall and they're looking up in the air. No,

900
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: but but we got a goat, and we got a

901
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: sheep on uh, you know. And then and of course

902
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: the other one polar bear. And then I remember one

903
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: of the other questions to what are the four uh

904
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: for animals that change color with the seasons? Arm again, weasel,

905
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: snowshoe hair, arctic care, arctic snow. There's three time against

906
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: there's three right there. Now, come on your bone head. Okay,

907
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: so weasels weasels. Yeah, it goes from a weasel to

908
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: an ermine. Yeah, tarmy goes from regular one to a

909
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: white one. Right, snows your hair goes from a regular

910
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: one to a white one. Right. What was wanted to

911
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 1: said a minute ago? It's the Arctic fox. Oh yeah, there.

912
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: What did I say that you didn't like? Um? Oh,

913
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: arctic hare, Arctic hare, snowshoe hair. They're all hair. That's

914
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: a true question, Danny. Did you have all those? Um?

915
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: What was the last one? That's what I hung up? Yeah,

916
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: if I didn't have fox, the found it? Would you?

917
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: Did you? Did you feel like you did good on

918
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 1: any of those? I did good on the on the

919
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: first one. You like that little mammal party. Mammal party.

920
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: I got it because you were like, oh man, And

921
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: remember I do remember. One of the questions I thought

922
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: was a trick question on the Registered Guide test was

923
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: that uh uh and I got it wrong too, but uh.

924
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: The quick question was when you're standing around the campfire, uh,

925
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: where does the smoke go? And you know, it was

926
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: like but towards beauty. Yeah. And and the one that

927
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: I thought thought thought was the stupid answer was because obviously,

928
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: when you're standing around the fire, the smokes blowing in

929
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: your face because you're creating a little you're creating a backdraft. Well,

930
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: I'm not thinking. I'm thinking. I'm thinking, you know, they're

931
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: just they're they're just trying to be funny, but but

932
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: they're actually his truth. Yeah, your body creates a backdraft

933
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: and the smoke yea, you're open smump, smoke goes up

934
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: in your face. I was reading about when guys used

935
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: to use the strategy you're talking about, the lean to,

936
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: and you build a fire, you know, to try to

937
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: fill it with some warmth. That oftentimes people will build

938
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: that lean to that it's that the pitch is pitched

939
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,959
Speaker 1: into the wind, thinking that you gotta wind protection. Yeah,

940
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: but how that causes all that smoke to peel up

941
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 1: and you actually want to build it. So the winds

942
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: moving across them across the mouth, right, and so it's

943
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: not so you're not just filling the whole thing with

944
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: smoke the whole time. Not only from smoke too, but

945
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: drifting snow too. I mean it don't do the same

946
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: thing with with snow. Yeah. A lot of times what

947
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: I what I do? Keep just freezing your ass? Man.

948
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: Did you have a good bag? Oh yeah, yeah, I

949
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: had a Remember my mom one of my first uh

950
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: gifts she got me when when I first moved up

951
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: there in my first year. It was a a north

952
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: face um expedition bag uh you know down and I've

953
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: still got that to the you know, you know this

954
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: day up in the loft at the lodge. But a

955
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: lot a lot of times and I'm sorry, feet your

956
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,919
Speaker 1: head towards the fire. Um, I think using my head

957
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: that wherever I'd laid down that you have the head's

958
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: taken out, that that's what built them more. But my

959
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: favorite one Steve where I'd be uh on trying and

960
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,919
Speaker 1: I decided I'd be spending night and then um, yeah,

961
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: the snow is usually five six six ft deep and

962
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 1: you get, um, you find these big spruce of course,

963
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, the the snow's falling on the branches, bringing

964
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: the branches down, and there's a big void at the

965
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: base of the tree and there's all the dry dead

966
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: grass underneath there, you know, like a tree well yeah yeah, yeah,

967
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: And and you know you'd cut spruce spruce bows, you know,

968
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: the light land the bottom and you crawl up underneath

969
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: there and you'd uh kick some of the snow out,

970
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: you know, and at the well you get a fire

971
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: going down there and you could actually get some pretty

972
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: good warms come coming up underneath it because the fired

973
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, the um the branches would actually hold some

974
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: of the heat down in there because the branch would

975
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: have snow on them too, And and you're you're, you're surrounded.

976
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: So basically a really a nice shelter. And then I'll

977
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: never forget times just uh falling asleep you because I

978
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 1: cut the spruce boughs and lay on top of the

979
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: spruce bouch with a sleeping bag and just the smell

980
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: of the spruce and the dead grass and smell of

981
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: the fire. It should I mean right now I can

982
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 1: still visualize it and since it, and it just really

983
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: brings back some nice memories, you know, that kind of stuff.

984
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: Would you ever come across critters and those those situations

985
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: where they're down bedded in those warm spots or no,

986
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: I can't say as I ever remember anither uh you know,

987
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: times that you'd go along and you'd actually you know,

988
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: either see Martin or Wolverine, you'll scare him up. But

989
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: I've never actually chased one out of a hole like that.

990
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 1: How many uh, how many times has been attacked by bears?

991
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: Three times? There were how many bears? I mean close

992
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: calls Um, I don't know quite a few. I mean

993
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: there's quite a few. I've had brown bear that was

994
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: tracking brown wounded brown bear and he had circled around,

995
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: was coming up behind me in a willow patch, had

996
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: a brown bear that had a client. We took a

997
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: brown bear that was off of a moose carcass, and

998
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: minute we shot, there was another brown bear was sleeping

999
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: in the alders right next to us. We didn't know about.

1000
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: The came um came bound out. It was probably uh

1001
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: fifteen feet from us, and came bounding out and my

1002
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: client I turned at just turned around and I'll never

1003
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: forget that. The sound of that, this one still just

1004
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: makes her hair stand up on my neck. When she

1005
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: was coming at me, she was slobbering, and when she

1006
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: would pick up her pause you could hear the claws

1007
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: clacking when she'd pick up her paws, and she was

1008
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: running at us, and she was I have never, I

1009
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: have never in my life seen such a rage in

1010
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: an animals as this brown bear. Hat We had had

1011
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: time to shoot from the hip. We had turned turned

1012
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: around cheap from the hip, and when she dropped fortunately

1013
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: uh it was actually the client's bullet that that hit

1014
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 1: in the head. But when she dropped, her nose land

1015
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: landed on my hip boot. But and I don't never

1016
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: forget after that, him and I both sat down and

1017
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: we just started shaking, you know, the old what is

1018
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: because she was if she would have gotten hold of

1019
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: either one of us, we wouldn't you know, one of

1020
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: the others wouldn't have been here today because that I've

1021
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:56,919
Speaker 1: never in my life seeing that kind of a rage

1022
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: out of an animal. How did you get tacked by

1023
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: three black Uh? Let me see one of them? Had

1024
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: my godparents come out when I first went went out

1025
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: to where I was, you know, staying. Um, they came

1026
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: out when one summer and brought friends of theirs from Texas.

1027
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: They were from from Texas. And it was, you know,

1028
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: a little solid roof cabin that that that we had

1029
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: built it. You know, it's been in the winter. So

1030
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: I just let them have the cabin and I slept

1031
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: in a tent outside and I was in the middle

1032
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: of the night. Um also I sleeping and all of

1033
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, and just being shooking drug and

1034
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: I was like, what the hell you know? Um? And

1035
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: and I'll never forget. Look that lady from the guide class.

1036
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: I'll never forget looking over and seeing the imprint of

1037
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: this baritone with I mean, it's still so so so vivid.

1038
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: And he's sent yeah you know, you know the nostril

1039
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: holes when you can see him. And he's backing up,

1040
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: trying to drag me off into the bushes, and and

1041
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: I was sleeping with my forty four and I just

1042
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: grabbed it real real quick, and you know, shot it

1043
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: in the head well through the tent, through the tent,

1044
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and it it fell on top of me.

1045
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: And and there I am all all tied up and

1046
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: sleeping back and tent and you know all. And I'll

1047
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: never forget my godparents that came out, and and my

1048
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: aunt Mary kept kept saying, um uh Lee, Mike's being

1049
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: attacked by the bear. Shoot it, shoot it, shoot it,

1050
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: and uh and what it is. I'm trying to push

1051
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: this bear off me. So the bear humping up and

1052
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: back up. You know, I'm trying to push it off,

1053
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: and I'm screaming, no, don't shoot it, don't shoot it,

1054
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: and shoot it because because of course they're dif from Texas,

1055
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: they weren't real woodwood savvy. They're just looking at they

1056
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: don't realiz that a bullet and go through a bear

1057
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: and into into what's underneath it, you know. So, yeah,

1058
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: did you have any when you were trapping the wolverines

1059
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: to any of those ever you just hear about how

1060
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: addressing they are, like had Yeah, there there was one

1061
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: time had a wool rain that um I had, I

1062
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: had gone on. I just had my seven mag with

1063
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: me and I was doing doing the upline trail. So

1064
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: I took the seven mag with me looking for a

1065
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: moose and I went back in, uh that bag in

1066
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: the cabin there and I've got I don't know, about

1067
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: half a mile away and was sitting at this um

1068
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: mineral lick, you know, hope hoping to see a moose

1069
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: come in. So I sat there for about an hour

1070
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: day and said, well, I'm gonna go ahead and check.

1071
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: Took my traps while I'm coming up here. And the

1072
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: night before it had uh it had rained, and then

1073
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: it had frozen hard. You know. Next morning about got

1074
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: up to my actually got my first set, had a

1075
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: Martin in it, and then got out to the second

1076
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: set and it was on a a dead snag. I

1077
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: had had had a number one and a half time

1078
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: at the end of a dead snag and the snag

1079
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: would broken off. When I got there, Wow, what happened

1080
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: to this? And I was looking looking for trash to

1081
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: see where the trap and every everything that they went,

1082
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: but everything was frozen so it couldn't really see much

1083
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: in the way of tracks. And then off in the distance,

1084
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: I hear this snarling and I knew right away then

1085
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: what had happened. A wolverine had got caught in the

1086
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: number one, broke off the snag and had taken off.

1087
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: So I started beating feet over to where the uh

1088
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: uh noise was and I got there and there was

1089
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: a wolverine that was caught by one toe and he

1090
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: was he was tangled up in the willows. So I've

1091
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: got my seven mag. I didn't want to shoot it

1092
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: with a seven mags, so I started looking around for

1093
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: a stick to hit him in the head with. Well,

1094
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: he was just going nuts, you know, trying to pull

1095
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: all that, and uh, I couldn't find sticking. And all

1096
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: of a sudden he pulled out of the trap and

1097
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: and just just for a split second, I'm standing there

1098
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: and he's standing here. We're probably ten ft apart. We

1099
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: were both just stare at each other and then and

1100
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he came running to me

1101
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: and he started I had car hard cut cover rolls on,

1102
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: and he he hit me and he started climbing up

1103
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: up my lace, you know, just shredding the car and

1104
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: the only thing I had in my seven mag So

1105
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: I had it by the barrel and I started swinging

1106
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: at it like a baseball bat with the barrel. Yeah. Well,

1107
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 1: and and it ended up ended up breaking the stock off,

1108
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: you know, then into the stock off the seven mac,

1109
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: you know, and when I hit it, so oh yeah, yeah,

1110
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: and not knocked him, knocked him out. He was intent

1111
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: on but but yeah, so, uh, that's that's the only

1112
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: time I've ever had a Wolveringe get ahold of me.

1113
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: So I want to get to some more stuff about

1114
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: your business and whatnot. But what are the other two

1115
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,919
Speaker 1: black bear attacks? Uh? The other one? Uh, let me see,

1116
01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: had uh had one where um when I was building

1117
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: the lodge and they had had the plane command it

1118
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: was full of full of lumber. And before we left,

1119
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: I always bringing my party four with me. Um, and

1120
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: so the plane lands and the pilot, who's real real

1121
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: good front front friend of mine. Now when we taxi

1122
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: up to the bank there we got got got out

1123
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: and we were unloading lumber, and um, all of a

1124
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: sudden he said, look out, and I turned turned around

1125
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: and there was some black bear that had come over

1126
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: the bank and was coming down on onto us there,

1127
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: you know, and and and then he stopped it. It

1128
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: was a fall fosse charge and then uh, and then

1129
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: he turned around and went back up into the shed

1130
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: where we kept all all the horse feed. And that's

1131
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: what what are you doing? So anyway, Uh, Jeff said,

1132
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna be okay, and I said, oh yeah, I

1133
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: got got my party four here, it'll be okay. So

1134
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: he's okay, Well, I'll go ahead and take off. So

1135
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: he took off, and then I went searching around from

1136
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: my forty four looking at Everything's like, man, it's not here.

1137
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: Where is it? And come to find out I had

1138
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: I had it underneath the seat of the truck. And

1139
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: then I just forgot I got to get it. So

1140
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: I had no big deal. You usually go up there

1141
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: and just yell at him and then uh, you know,

1142
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 1: so go away. Well went up there and yelled at him,

1143
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: and he come, uh, stuck his head out of the door.

1144
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: He had chewed a hold through the door, was eating

1145
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: horse feed, and then he came charred charge of me.

1146
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: And the old thing I had was a tree to

1147
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: climb up to that It was probably right by the

1148
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: by the lake. So I skinnied up the tree and

1149
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: he hit that tree, and he tried crawling up after me,

1150
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: and uh, he made sure I was there then, and

1151
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: he would as long as I was there. Okay. He

1152
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: went back in, and every time I would try to

1153
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: come down out of the tree, he would hit it again,

1154
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 1: and Askecott got a want one point, and I was

1155
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: having to kick him in the nose. One time. He

1156
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: actually got out there and grabbed ahold of my foot

1157
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: and was trying trying and pull pull me dot dot

1158
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: out of the tree, and I was kicking him in

1159
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: the face. So I said, well, I'm I'm just gonna

1160
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: stand here. Let him get uncomfortable in the in the shed.

1161
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: So he went back and and there was a cabin

1162
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: um that was about two miles away. I knew it

1163
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: and had a rifle in it, and so I finally

1164
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 1: after twenty minutes, I'll never forget standing on the branches

1165
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: there and my my instep just really getting sore. I

1166
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: just couldn't harnita anymore. So I jumped down, and now

1167
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: or never I jumped down, I mean, I just started

1168
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: running for all it was worth to this cabin. And

1169
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: I looked behind me and he wouldn't following me. So

1170
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: I went there. It was a three oh eight. Uh,

1171
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: he only had three shells for it. Came back up

1172
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: and UM stuck my head up over the bank, and yeah,

1173
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: sure enough he was. They're eating all the food that

1174
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: I brought in. But he looked so much smaller, And

1175
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, Wow, maybe he looks smaller because

1176
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: I got a gun now, you know, so I want

1177
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: a hand. Took care of it and uh. And then

1178
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: I leaned the rifle up against the uh the tree,

1179
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: and I started carrying lumber. Made one load of lumbers

1180
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: and came back, got another little lumber Tuba six on

1181
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:18,479
Speaker 1: my shoulder, and when I came up over the lip,

1182
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the big bear that had met

1183
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: treed come around the corner started running at me, and uh.

1184
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 1: I just took the Tuba six through it it real

1185
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 1: quick and it put on the brakes trying to avoid

1186
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: the tuba sick and me time to grab the rifle

1187
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: and get the right shoot it, get the right bear. Yeah.

1188
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: But it was really like, wow, big man, I got

1189
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: a gun. Now the bear shrinks, you know. Yeah, pretty

1190
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: pretty funny. So I gotta know now the third one

1191
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: to detected? The third one, I thought that was two

1192
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: and three. Yeah, I was. I was replacing a piling

1193
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: underneath the underneath the barn and it was out there.

1194
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: So I had gout the pine and I was laying

1195
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:10,439
Speaker 1: prone on the ground and I uh had my head

1196
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: my shoulders down in the hole trying to dig out

1197
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: loose dirt front from the bottom. So I'm just standing

1198
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: lane land there there they're prone. I must have looked.

1199
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 1: It wasn't moving or anything, just my shoulders and uh.

1200
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: And then the all of a sudden, next thing, I know,

1201
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: something's pulling me back. I was like, whoa, something just

1202
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: grabbed ahold of me, just like I was on a

1203
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 1: bungee cord, you know, started backing up. I still still

1204
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: got the scars and my shins from it, and uh

1205
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: turned around and uh and it was a bare had

1206
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 1: hold of my leg. He was backing up. Yeah, another

1207
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: black bear, and it was he was backing off it.

1208
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 1: But you know in his defense. He just thought it

1209
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: was dead, you know, and I rolled rolled over and

1210
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 1: um uh and then then just started kicking at him

1211
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: and he was a surprise as why it was. And

1212
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: he dropped me like a dad and took off through

1213
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: through through the woods. So he lived to tell about it.

1214
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: Uh yo, yeah, yeah, I mean he wasn't his fault.

1215
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 1: You know, I was just supposed to be dead, you know.

1216
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: Once you found out was alive, it's like, okay, okay,

1217
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. And then and then uh, there there

1218
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 1: was one other time time with um, a small grizzly

1219
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: in sheep camp. I had UM during the spring I

1220
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: had and this was one thing I thought it was

1221
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: really cool. Um during the spring I had, I had

1222
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: broken my leg and they had to I had to

1223
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: be met of act out of the lodge with a

1224
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 1: chopper and and all that. Um. And so anyway I

1225
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: go in, they you know, get the cast, they set

1226
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: the leg and all that, and I ended up going

1227
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: back out to the lodge because I need needed to

1228
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 1: be there. That was home, you know. Uh. And you see,

1229
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:49,679
Speaker 1: you know in the summer, you know, there are bears

1230
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 1: in the yard every day, just just about and you

1231
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: just get out there, you get along with him, you know,

1232
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: you don't approach him. Everybody get gets lunge just fine.

1233
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: When I got out there and the first pair of

1234
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 1: the kind of comes out, Oh look at this a bear,

1235
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, um, I'm out out on the deck.

1236
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 1: He saw me, and all of a sudden he started

1237
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: chasing me and rant ran into the lodge. Uh and

1238
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: closed the door and he he hit the door. Then

1239
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 1: he got it, got off the deck, and then I

1240
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 1: went back out and again it was like, um, he

1241
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,600
Speaker 1: was gonna get me, and finally he went away. And

1242
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 1: that that happened like two other times that that summer.

1243
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, why are these bear so mad at me?

1244
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: All of a sudden? Then I go out to sheep

1245
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 1: camp and uh, the hunters are out on a sheep

1246
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm at a camp I'm in uh and

1247
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 1: the kind of the kitchen area we have set us

1248
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 1: set up in the base camp and and all of

1249
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: a sudden, I see this little straggly grizzly walk around

1250
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: the outside of the weather port. And I don't have

1251
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: my rivle with me, so we're kind of the same

1252
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: distance from the tent. I run to a tent real quick.

1253
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 1: While he's going over there, he sees me starting heading

1254
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: over that way. I started over there, grabbed the gun,

1255
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 1: start running back into the so I can get some

1256
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: distance between me and him, back into the kitchen area.

1257
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 1: And next thing I know, this little grizzly had had

1258
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 1: got and and he had reached over and knocked me

1259
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: over with my paw and I fell on the ground

1260
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: and then rolled over and shot and I stood up.

1261
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 1: It's like, what is going on? Why are these bears

1262
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: all of a sudden so mad at me? And then

1263
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: the lightbulb came on. It's like, Dan, Dan, you look

1264
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: like a wounded animal. I'm in a cast. I'm hobbling

1265
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 1: around nature at its finest, you know. And I thought, yeah,

1266
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: that's what what's going on. I'm just hobbling around. They're

1267
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: seeing me as a as a you know, easy prey,

1268
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 1: wounded animal. At least that's my my theory on the

1269
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: whole thing. And it just seemed like it made sense

1270
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 1: to me all of a sudden. I'm a nice guy,

1271
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: you're like an little gunfighter. Man. I don't know about

1272
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: that gunfighter. So what talk about how you got your

1273
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: how you go off to start business? By yourself and

1274
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:13,480
Speaker 1: ride off on a horse and go make a homestead

1275
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: and start a lodge, and that you're going to guide

1276
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 1: out of. Well that's because that ship that just doesn't

1277
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 1: happen anymore. Maybe it does, I don't know if it

1278
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 1: does or not. To me. Yeah, well on that not

1279
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you, did you ever through all

1280
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 1: these years did you ever meet someone that it was

1281
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: like a peer to you And you're like, oh, you've

1282
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 1: kind of done the same thing that I have all

1283
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: these years and became buds with them or knew of them.

1284
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 1: I actually did one time. And he's uh, he's pretty

1285
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 1: pretty high high profile. He's he dead now. But when

1286
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 1: I was uh doing my um float float instruction, I

1287
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 1: took took the flow plane plot to meeting once. But

1288
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: you got you got a pilot slicense. Yeah, Dick, Dick

1289
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 1: Park you know are always Ever since I was a kid,

1290
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 1: I had admired what he did at last, what he

1291
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 1: did by hand and drug everything. But in my hand,

1292
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 1: of course, he didn't have any horses or anything. But um,

1293
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 1: he had just gone out to Twin Lakes and built

1294
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: that beautiful cabin out there and lived out there by

1295
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: himself and that's what I wanted to be, what I

1296
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 1: wanted to do. He was. I guess he was somewhat

1297
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 1: my inspiration. I remember when I first got to know him.

1298
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 1: I read the book One One Man's Wilderness. Yeah, and

1299
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 1: I met him. And nice guy in the world too.

1300
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 1: You know. It wasn't like he was some kind of

1301
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 1: crazy hermit, you know that you show up and get

1302
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 1: off my land. He was just really a very, very

1303
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: very nice person. He's kind of older too, when he

1304
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: did that right or something else. I don't know how

1305
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 1: I found out about him, but I used to. There's

1306
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: like a you can watch like ten minutes of Alone

1307
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: in the Wilderness. It's like a PBS documentary. Some old

1308
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 1: dude washing gravel for his floor and whatnot makes a cabin. Yeah,

1309
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 1: everybody's dad likes that movie. Yeah, man, So I found

1310
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 1: out him on through that. Yeah, how do you spell

1311
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 1: his last name? What's that? No? How do you spell

1312
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 1: his last name? I can't e n K isn't isn't

1313
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: somewhere might be an agent there. I was gonna ask

1314
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: you about it, because yeah, I like everything that you're

1315
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: saying sounds exactly like yeah, yeah, yeah. When I'm a kid,

1316
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 1: I just really really enjoyed the I mean that that

1317
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: that book. I just lay it uh waiting and know him.

1318
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: I had to sleep in the broom close at that

1319
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,560
Speaker 1: was my rooms. It was a little little room and

1320
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: I'd read read my book and that was one of

1321
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 1: my favorite favorite books. I remember. So there you are.

1322
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 1: You ride off into the woods to go set up

1323
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: your own to find your own property, right, Yeah, And

1324
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 1: it was that's when Jay Hammond was governor. And Dan

1325
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,600
Speaker 1: Dan knows he's probably one of the best governors Alaska's

1326
01:14:56,600 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: ever had, Sure does he was? He was governor. Yeah,

1327
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: I mean he he was all for the for the people,

1328
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,600
Speaker 1: you know, he wanted uh and of course he was.

1329
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: He was a guide, he was a pilot, you know,

1330
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 1: his name Bushrap, but he was he was dead sent

1331
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: on on um every lask and being able to have

1332
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: the opportunity to uh have their own peace of Alaska

1333
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: have to lant. So he came up with a land

1334
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:31,759
Speaker 1: program called UM Remote Partial. It was a remote parcel

1335
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 1: program to where you could go out, you could stake up.

1336
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: They had certain designated areas you know that that they

1337
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 1: set aside for just for this program. You could stake

1338
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 1: up to forty acres. Um, you had to put your

1339
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: four corners, and you had to pay for the survey,

1340
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 1: and then um, after the state approved the survey, you

1341
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 1: paid what the state considered the fair market value. Now

1342
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 1: you've got a discount. You got a pitch for sent

1343
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: dis koind for being a long time a last and

1344
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: you got a discount. If there wasn't a road to

1345
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 1: you got a discount. There went power to a discount, discount, discount, discount.

1346
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 1: You were saying, there's even a discount. I think you're

1347
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 1: telling me this even a discount for whether it was

1348
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: a southerly or northerly. Yeah, and that that that was

1349
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: one of the and they listed the discounts. And you

1350
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 1: know that that I was given once I got the

1351
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: title to the land. Uh Um, I was gotten, had

1352
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 1: a percent taking off of what they considered the fair

1353
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 1: market value because my cabin faced north and not south.

1354
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 1: So they were doing every everything. They had no power discount,

1355
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 1: the no road discount right, the long time alasking discount. Right,

1356
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 1: So what'd you pay for what you pay for the place.

1357
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,600
Speaker 1: So it ended up that I didn't. I thought I

1358
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 1: had a lot more than forty acres, But what I

1359
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 1: stay because I staked the whole south side of my lake. Um,

1360
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 1: but it actually only ended up being like twenty six acres. Yeah,

1361
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 1: I was what twenty one years old. I had no

1362
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: idea what forty acre or like that. Man, this is

1363
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: more Land and oliver Use. So anyway, after and I

1364
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:10,599
Speaker 1: was shaking and how I'm just a poor trapper out there.

1365
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't have any money. So because

1366
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 1: she went off and found this place on horseback, yeah,

1367
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 1: just looking at a map, right, Yeah, that was before

1368
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: GPS is and all that, I just load loaded up

1369
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 1: all the horses and and uh, well, well let's go

1370
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 1: that way. It's gotta be over here somewhere. So we

1371
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: were sneaking our way through the trees, and all of

1372
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 1: a sudden I kind of saw an opening in the trees.

1373
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: I said, Um, that's got to be the lake over there.

1374
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: And the lake has actually glorified beaver pond. It's real small,

1375
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 1: oh man, grazing rainbow. Yeah. And uh, and so took

1376
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 1: the horses and started wandering over that way. And remember

1377
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 1: I came out in the north or uh uh, the

1378
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 1: upper end of the lake. And when we can't came

1379
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 1: out of the tree, right, beautiful sunny day. There was

1380
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 1: a moose out there. This was in into July. There

1381
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 1: was a moose out there. He'd be going under water

1382
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 1: and he'd come back and literally pads are dripping off

1383
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 1: of his antlers, and it was just wanted to say.

1384
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: I was like, this is it. This is where I

1385
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 1: want to be, you know, and I wanted the southern exposure.

1386
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 1: So I took the horses and I started riding around

1387
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 1: the other opposite side the lake. But it was just

1388
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: all swampy, you know. I mean he had to It

1389
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know what yards of swamp before

1390
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: you actually got got to some dry land. And it

1391
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 1: was just really disappointed. And finally made the whole circle

1392
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 1: of it. Then I came to the outlet of the

1393
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: lake and came onto the uh the only place where

1394
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: you got dry land all the way down down to

1395
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,639
Speaker 1: the lake, and that's where I went. I went ahead

1396
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 1: and decided to stake the land. And when I staked

1397
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 1: at um, I didn't know it know at the time

1398
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 1: that had that nice little bench you know where the

1399
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 1: lodge is now about bow the lake. I didn't find

1400
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:58,599
Speaker 1: that out until later, and it it just ended up uh,

1401
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, all the planets line and it just kind

1402
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: of made a drink contru So you stake the whole

1403
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 1: thing out and send your form off in the mail

1404
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 1: and you're sweating and thinking it's gonna be a show. Yeah,

1405
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, how am I going to come up with

1406
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 1: thirty forty fifty dollars or whatever? And I opened it

1407
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 1: up and the envelopen it end up being six d

1408
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 1: dollars After that, Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah,

1409
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 1: I can, I can. I can scrape up six hundred

1410
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 1: bucks somewhere. That's just a couple of wolverine. So you

1411
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: like start dragging cutting logs and dragging them with your horse,

1412
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 1: and of course I'm walking on cloud nine. I've got

1413
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 1: my own land, you know. Uh and um, the actually

1414
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 1: from where the lodges now, you can't even you couldn't

1415
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 1: even see the lake because it was that that heavily treed.

1416
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: So I started dropping trees and uh um, pouring them

1417
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 1: in to start building a lodge, and you know, just

1418
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 1: clearing the land and just everything starts snowballing, you know,

1419
01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 1: just started you know, working on it. Because when you

1420
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 1: see lodge, it's like it functions as you're hunting lodge.

1421
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: But it's a cabin. Yeah, it's basically a cabin, but

1422
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: but you got out buildings and Webster definition, it would

1423
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 1: be considered a loge at the gathering place. Yeah. Well

1424
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 1: because you have you have other cabins you built for

1425
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: guests over the years and build the barn and plus

1426
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 1: I say it's a lodge, so it's a lodge. Yeah,

1427
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 1: but I feel that like people here lodge and they

1428
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 1: think that that kind of like fakey you know, that

1429
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: kind of like fake full Western kind of lodge where

1430
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 1: you where you cut out little Cariboan moves out of

1431
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 1: sheet metal and one everything. Yeah, he flaminoes, pink flamine

1432
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 1: goes in the yard, that kind of thing. Now it's

1433
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 1: like a it's like a bush cabin man, yeah, but

1434
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 1: very comfortable. But drinking. You drink to have all the

1435
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 1: comforts of home, and you drink rain water and it

1436
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: does have having out out but you know for you know,

1437
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 1: uh totally opt to grid. Uh. I've got solar power

1438
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 1: within birders, you know, so not not him to run

1439
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 1: generators to supply the thing. The refrigerator, freezer runs off propane. Uh,

1440
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 1: you know, the stove a course of pro pro pane,

1441
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 1: so flying it out on your own floor plane. Yeah.

1442
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: Gave up on horses. Uh yeah, we got rid of

1443
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 1: the last horses in n because it just died off. Well. Yeah,

1444
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 1: and you know, they were always just glorified pets. Anyway,

1445
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 1: they were worth a weight in gold in August and September.

1446
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 1: Other than that, they were just a pain in the ass,

1447
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 1: you know. And they're just a glorified pets. And yeah,

1448
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: we I mean they all had the personalities and we

1449
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 1: we you know, really enjoyed them. But it just stood there.

1450
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 1: You stood the lodge using horses all oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1451
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 1: You use them to all the logs in for the

1452
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 1: for the lodge. Yeah, and lift them and lift them. Yeah,

1453
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 1: and have a rope pull over uh you know one

1454
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: end or one one side of it, and then on

1455
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:52,600
Speaker 1: the other side have have old pomp poncho you know,

1456
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 1: just pull them up, you know, the skids from one

1457
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: side or the other. Yeah. How long would the horses

1458
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 1: last during these like we're as a working, functioning animal

1459
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 1: years wise? Uh? Well, I had I had heard that,

1460
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 1: I had heard the poncho. Uh. He didn't die until

1461
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 1: he was like thirty something years old, so he was

1462
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 1: pretty pretty tough as far as you know. All the

1463
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 1: other horses. I'm not sure when they died, but when we,

1464
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 1: uh we got rid of them, they were probably nine

1465
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 1: ten years old and they were still, you know, good, good,

1466
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: rainey working horses. Did someone come get him or how

1467
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 1: did you get him out of there? Uh? Yeah, let

1468
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,600
Speaker 1: me see. He ended up riding them over to the

1469
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 1: other side of the up through rainy passing up up

1470
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 1: on the other side there, and then uh uh we

1471
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:49,679
Speaker 1: actually sold some of them too rainy pass as well.

1472
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 1: So some of those horses. It wasn't just the one

1473
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 1: way ticket. Some of those horses made it back out. No, no, no, no, no,

1474
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 1: it was a one way ticket. They never saw town again.

1475
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: Oh uh yeah, they stayed in the bush. They just

1476
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 1: went went to the other side of the last range,

1477
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, wrote them over there. How do you learn

1478
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 1: how to build your cabin? Watson? That old movie about

1479
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 1: the guy a Washington? Um remember getting a book? Who's

1480
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 1: the guy? What was his name? Um? Tom Walker? You remember? Uh?

1481
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 1: He had it was in seven He had a book

1482
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: on you know, how to on you know, to notch logs. Yeah,

1483
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 1: he kind of wrote wrote it a hot too, but

1484
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 1: but Tom Walker, he was actually a uh more noted

1485
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 1: as an as an outdoor photographer, but he did kind

1486
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 1: of the same thing. Him and his wife went out

1487
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 1: and built built a place out in the woods. You know,

1488
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:51,680
Speaker 1: they just wanted to get get off the grid and

1489
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 1: live in the woods. And he made a book about

1490
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 1: it and had a lot of pictures of fortunately, had

1491
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 1: pictures in it. You know, so you're describing and saddle

1492
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:02,839
Speaker 1: notch and all that kind of oh yeah, and and actually,

1493
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 1: you know there's nothing to it if you pay attention

1494
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 1: to it, there's nothing to it. You can make uh

1495
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, you have to make make sure that that

1496
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 1: that you cove the inside of your saddle notch, you know,

1497
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 1: so when you compress them, it that compressed it together

1498
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:20,680
Speaker 1: real well. And um, you know you just you know,

1499
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 1: you can do do the full sweet describe it, which

1500
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: which I didn't do. You know, I'd lay lay the

1501
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 1: logs on the ground, so I'd have three logs on

1502
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 1: the ground, take a chain saw running between them two, uh,

1503
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 1: get them cloak closer to you know, to where they

1504
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,640
Speaker 1: were they were matching, and then you put one up

1505
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 1: and then you describe your saddle notch. And then you'd

1506
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 1: uh first rough it out with a with like a

1507
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 1: cheet sheet rock knife the line, you know, and you'd

1508
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 1: use your chisel and chisel out the wood and then

1509
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 1: use a the chainsaw to go go ouch it out

1510
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 1: and then um roll it over and there it is.

1511
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 1: You've cheeking with moss the old school weigh or no,

1512
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 1: now I used to strip the fiberglass. Okay, yeah, yeah,

1513
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do the most thing I can imagine.

1514
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 1: And and they and actually, you know Dan, they were

1515
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 1: you know, doing that method of just running the chainsaw

1516
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 1: bar running between when they're they're close together, and then

1517
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 1: then you use like yeah, actually then you use log

1518
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:26,759
Speaker 1: log dogs to hold them together and do it again

1519
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 1: and you yeah, you have to call log dogs. Are

1520
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:34,639
Speaker 1: they're jaw dogs right their bars at a hook hook

1521
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 1: hooked at each end. You drive a man and holds

1522
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:44,599
Speaker 1: the logs together. Yeah. Yeah. When when you talk about

1523
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 1: and I don't want to present this as though you

1524
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 1: disparage your clients, because you certainly don't. But when you

1525
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 1: talk about how hunters are becoming more and more a

1526
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 1: cupcakes all the time, are you doing it because you're

1527
01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 1: comparing it to what you've been through or you doing

1528
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 1: you're comparing it to other hunters from the past clients. Yeah,

1529
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess I still still live an old school.

1530
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 1: I know what I went through. I mean, if it

1531
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:18,600
Speaker 1: would if it was raining, and you know, and and

1532
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not you know, those days there wasn't

1533
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 1: no police or anything. It was either wool or blue jeans,

1534
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 1: you know. And and me, I'm hunting blue jeans. I

1535
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 1: just get wet, and I'd stay wet and just didn't care.

1536
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,639
Speaker 1: Maybe it was just because I don't enjoy that now,

1537
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 1: but at the time I didn't didn't even even think

1538
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: about it. But it's just yeah, you know, wet all

1539
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 1: the time, or having to you know, slog through the

1540
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 1: alders or you know, uh, eat your food while waters

1541
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 1: running off your hat into you know, none, None of

1542
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:54,560
Speaker 1: that stuff ever bothered me. Um, a lot of the

1543
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 1: change changing. Hunting has changed a lot, and you know,

1544
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 1: the traditional hunting ways and I kind of, for some reason,

1545
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 1: I want to blame it on the uh since since

1546
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 1: the electronic age has kind of kind of taken over.

1547
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 1: It's just things have just become too easy, you know,

1548
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 1: for for hunters. And you know, um, there's a couple

1549
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 1: of forces that are working here to you know a

1550
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of the these hunts have gotten

1551
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 1: to where they're so expensive. You know, there's um some

1552
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:36,680
Speaker 1: of the guys that, uh, they can't afford to go

1553
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 1: home without having been successful on their hut, you know,

1554
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 1: simply for the fact that they couldn't afford to do

1555
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 1: another one. They've saved all their life to do do

1556
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 1: this and um and so they she you got some

1557
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 1: of the more expensive stuff we do. Yeah, sheep, sheep,

1558
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:59,560
Speaker 1: and and and moose moose. Now it's grown grown to

1559
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 1: be when when when the high dollar hunts, that of

1560
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 1: Cordon brown berry is too So the guys save up

1561
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 1: their whole life. Yeah, and so the the whole um,

1562
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 1: you know, the pressures on them when when they come

1563
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 1: up not to enjoy uh, you know, enjoy their hunt,

1564
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 1: enjoy their their whole surroundings, going out and and and

1565
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 1: just uh you know, legitimately hunt the animals, look for them.

1566
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 1: They need the animals to be there. They can't go

1567
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 1: home without one. And you know, unfortunately a lot of people,

1568
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 1: they're the uh loggers, farmer, blue blue collar workers that

1569
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 1: that that uh, that kind of money is a lot

1570
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 1: of money to them and um, you know, how in

1571
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:45,719
Speaker 1: the world can they go home and face their family,

1572
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 1: face their wife, face their their friends with them thinking

1573
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 1: you spend all that money and you didn't get anything. Uh,

1574
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 1: the different set of expectations exactly right. Yeah, and then

1575
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 1: and then they're they're there's the other force to that. Uh,

1576
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,639
Speaker 1: there's the ones that uh you know, that kind of money.

1577
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: Uh it's just pocket change, you know. They they leave,

1578
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 1: you know, they leave cocktail Hour, jump on a plane.

1579
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 1: Uh you know, two days later they're up there and

1580
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 1: they're shooting a predesignated sheep, you know, one that's already

1581
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 1: been picked out for him. And and then uh they

1582
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:29,599
Speaker 1: shoot the sheep. The next day, they're right back down

1583
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 1: to cocktail Hour, you know, with with their friends. So

1584
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:36,639
Speaker 1: if that person doesn't get a sheep, you know, there's

1585
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 1: the humiliation factor. How am I going to base my

1586
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 1: friends and tell them that, uh, you know, I didn't

1587
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 1: get a sheep. So a lot of people that this,

1588
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:49,599
Speaker 1: you know, that the fun has got out of going

1589
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:51,680
Speaker 1: out of the hunting because the pressure is on for

1590
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 1: them to be me successful. Now they're the technology issues.

1591
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:59,640
Speaker 1: Uh well you know the um you know, back back

1592
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 1: in days I first started. Uh, the plane dropped you off.

1593
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 1: You waved by by said see in intent ten days,

1594
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 1: you know, and now you've got all that. You've got

1595
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 1: the end reaches, you've got the satellite phones, you've got

1596
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 1: the GPS is you know eaper everything. I mean, uh,

1597
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 1: you can't hide anymore. I mean, and it's a thing

1598
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 1: we're uh oh we're not seeing much. We need to

1599
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 1: call somebody to come in and either move us or

1600
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 1: look around or um. You know, it's it's too easy

1601
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:35,160
Speaker 1: to quit it. Uh. You know, in the old days,

1602
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 1: you you were there, whether you're just there, yeah, if

1603
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 1: you got if you were sick. You know, they've had

1604
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 1: a hunter recently that uh after two days he wasn't

1605
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 1: seeing much. So all of a sudden he was sick

1606
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 1: and he need needed out. And uh, just as soon

1607
01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 1: as he got out, it was a miraculous change. He

1608
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:02,560
Speaker 1: was just fine. You know. Um, but I guess I

1609
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:06,680
Speaker 1: guess the point being is that it's just, um, it's

1610
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:10,720
Speaker 1: too too easy to give up where it. You know,

1611
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 1: back back before the electronity, if you have this disability

1612
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 1: to to come out, to call somebody to you know,

1613
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 1: come come come in and get you eat or hunted,

1614
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:22,559
Speaker 1: or you're sat there and you're pouted, you know, Um,

1615
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,320
Speaker 1: so what else you gonna do? And then and and

1616
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 1: it's it's uh, if you're if you're not seeing much,

1617
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 1: you know you, um, you just keep on it. I mean,

1618
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:36,560
Speaker 1: you just don't quit and eventually it's gonna it's gonna

1619
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:39,719
Speaker 1: gonna happen. So but but I feel like you're saying

1620
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 1: I understand you're saying two different things, but I just

1621
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 1: want to clarify the two things, because on one hand,

1622
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 1: you feel that it's gotten so expensive. Where a sheep punt,

1623
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 1: the doll sheep hunt, if you're if you're coming in,

1624
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 1: you need to hire an outfit ter guide dollars points

1625
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:03,600
Speaker 1: well over twelve is right. Well, we're we're on the

1626
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 1: lower end of the scales of the Uh, the price

1627
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:11,600
Speaker 1: of sheep punts were probably about average total lower end.

1628
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 1: There's some sheep hunts that, um, these outfitters, they they

1629
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 1: have a complete air force, you know, uh, super cups,

1630
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 1: so they have to pay for and they um, so

1631
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 1: they're sheep punts are going to be a lot higher.

1632
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 1: They're they're gonna be up for dollar range ten days. Yeah,

1633
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 1: But but you're andy and they do a lot of

1634
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 1: pre scouting, yes, before the season. Uh yeah, and you know,

1635
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not gonna be gregrads those people

1636
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 1: to them. I mean, if they if they have the

1637
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 1: ability they have and some some something. They had to

1638
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:52,840
Speaker 1: pay for all those airplanes, something, have to pay per

1639
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 1: all that, and they're catering to the people that that

1640
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 1: they will not take no per nancwer. You know, they

1641
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,360
Speaker 1: pay for sheep hunt, they're going to get a sheep.

1642
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 1: And but I guess that that's the question I want

1643
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 1: to They don't understand because you're saying that with the money,

1644
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:12,120
Speaker 1: people come and they have to get a sheep or

1645
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 1: else it's humiliating to them or not only or it's

1646
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 1: like an ego thing and they gotta get a sheep.

1647
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:22,760
Speaker 1: The hunts of failure if they haven't. Uh there's the

1648
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 1: other hand, you're saying it's too easy to quit. Yeah,

1649
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 1: So how do those things co exist? They have to

1650
01:33:29,439 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 1: get a sheep, but then they don't have what it

1651
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 1: takes to get the sheep, and then they feel disappointed

1652
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 1: by the experience exactly. So then when that happens, then

1653
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 1: they're having to pass the buck to somebody, you know,

1654
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:45,920
Speaker 1: so so then it's, ah, well, I didn't get my

1655
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:50,280
Speaker 1: sheep because the river was high, so the outfitter shouldn't

1656
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 1: have had me going into when when the water was high,

1657
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:59,200
Speaker 1: or I didn't get my sheep because um there was

1658
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:02,600
Speaker 1: no manny in camp for my sandwich. You know, and

1659
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm serious, you know that. I mean that they'll come

1660
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:09,000
Speaker 1: up with all these ridiculous little reasons why the whole

1661
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 1: hunt was a pair and that coming up to all

1662
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:14,080
Speaker 1: these little things that culminate into one big thing to

1663
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 1: where you know, the hunt hunt was a failure they uh,

1664
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 1: and it's all of this stuff instead of being honest

1665
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:28,439
Speaker 1: with themselves that they either physically weren't able to do

1666
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 1: it or it was you know, beyond beyond their physical

1667
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:35,640
Speaker 1: means to actually do it. Even though the outfit are

1668
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 1: provided a good sheep area, providing with a fair fare

1669
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: chase hunt. Um, you know, uh that we had a

1670
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:47,960
Speaker 1: tough first couple of days. We didn't see any sheep.

1671
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 1: So obviously, uh, you know, I've been here two days

1672
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 1: and and I'm an expert on the sheep movements. Now

1673
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:56,800
Speaker 1: you know there are going to be no sheep here.

1674
01:34:56,920 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 1: You know, get me out of here at yeah, and

1675
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 1: and it just told them going back and commencing the

1676
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 1: people that that that uh they um didn't get their

1677
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:14,720
Speaker 1: animal because they themselves um had quit on it. It

1678
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 1: was uh, somebody's fault because and you feel that it's

1679
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 1: like that there's something that's happened where it's different than

1680
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:27,600
Speaker 1: it was twenty years ago. Yeah, I mean because it

1681
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:32,519
Speaker 1: was Yeah, I mean because it was you didn't have

1682
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:36,840
Speaker 1: that uh uh you know, and not another thing when

1683
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:39,640
Speaker 1: you were not jate. When you're going going out, you

1684
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:41,679
Speaker 1: had to pretty much put everything anything in your back

1685
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 1: and you had had to go a lot of the

1686
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 1: um expectation. Then they went in knowing full well that

1687
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:55,880
Speaker 1: that they were going to be miserable for ten ten days,

1688
01:35:56,360 --> 01:36:00,160
Speaker 1: but you know they were gonna hunt where Now it's

1689
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 1: that um, you know, with all the new equipment, with

1690
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:08,879
Speaker 1: all this and that you know that everything's you know perfect,

1691
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 1: people feel like they solved the uncomfortable part. Yeah, and

1692
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:14,720
Speaker 1: and and people feel like after I haven't spent this

1693
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 1: money that they have bought this animal, No, just the

1694
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:26,760
Speaker 1: whole I don't know that they there's too much of

1695
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 1: this thinking that these animals are going to come in

1696
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:32,600
Speaker 1: and surrender because they know they paid this much for

1697
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 1: this hunt, but you still like the business though, Oh yeah,

1698
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:39,760
Speaker 1: I do want to people that want to book a

1699
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 1: home with you can't even book a home with you,

1700
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 1: And and that that that's not not all all hunters either.

1701
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 1: There's still the the hunters are out there that that

1702
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 1: that yeah, I mean, that's what they could be millionaires,

1703
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 1: but but that's what they're wanting to get away, Get

1704
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 1: get out there and do do the fair chase. They

1705
01:36:57,439 --> 01:37:00,080
Speaker 1: don't want a plane to fly around and spot that.

1706
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 1: They want to find that sheep on their own. They

1707
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:04,880
Speaker 1: want to be the one going around the corner. Hey,

1708
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 1: nobody help help me find you know them in their

1709
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 1: guide And don't nobody help us find the sheep. You know,

1710
01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 1: we hunted it on our own. Give me a bag

1711
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 1: of granola bar. Let's go out there, let's hit it.

1712
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:18,840
Speaker 1: Let's let's uh, let's side wash up on the side

1713
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 1: of the mountain. Let's let's let's sleep underneath the tree,

1714
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 1: let's leap under the stars. Yeah that uh. And in

1715
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:29,560
Speaker 1: this day and age, I'd say that it's maybe of

1716
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 1: a lot of the hunters you get that are actually

1717
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:36,160
Speaker 1: and when they get get there, I'd say probably sev hunters.

1718
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:39,880
Speaker 1: Now once they get there their animal, it's up. Okay,

1719
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:42,920
Speaker 1: get me back to town. I gotta get home. You know. Uh,

1720
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 1: there's still the a good proportion of them like what

1721
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:49,960
Speaker 1: we get. You know that I don't want to go home.

1722
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 1: I want I'm on vacation. I want to stay stay

1723
01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:58,920
Speaker 1: out here. But those those kind of hunters are getting

1724
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 1: further for there away. You know, in your mind, what

1725
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:11,360
Speaker 1: makes a good client and what makes a good hunter.

1726
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:17,280
Speaker 1: A good client is one that um is gonna go

1727
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 1: out there and uh and realize that, uh, everything is

1728
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:25,080
Speaker 1: not going to be perfect. There's gonna be time when

1729
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:27,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna be ncomfortable. It's gonna be times when when

1730
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:30,479
Speaker 1: it's gonna gonna rain. There's gonna be times you know,

1731
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:34,200
Speaker 1: you know deep dealing with with some of some of

1732
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:38,400
Speaker 1: the elements, um, you know, more more than anything, it's

1733
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 1: a yeah, deep dealing that they're going to have to

1734
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 1: deal with elements that that are going to be uncomfortable. Um,

1735
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:48,760
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to, um realize there there's gonna be

1736
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 1: times when the game isn't gonna be in particular area,

1737
01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 1: isn't gonna be as plentible. I mean there's no fences

1738
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 1: around round rounting on these airs. They have to go

1739
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 1: in there and knowing that that they're going to have

1740
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:06,280
Speaker 1: to hunt for their animal animals, not going to commit

1741
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:09,639
Speaker 1: a surrender. You know, that's what makes a good hunter

1742
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:16,559
Speaker 1: in your mind. Uh one one that uh um has

1743
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 1: a positive attitude at every day and um that when

1744
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:25,040
Speaker 1: he when he's out out there they're hunting, hunting, he's

1745
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:28,719
Speaker 1: he's happy and just and just having a great time

1746
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 1: and not uh you know, not stressed out thinking I've

1747
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:36,240
Speaker 1: got to have this animal and you know when it

1748
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 1: when's it gonna happen. So the content you feel that

1749
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 1: the contentment pays off, you know. You know the hunter

1750
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:45,040
Speaker 1: that wakes out, walks out of the tent in the

1751
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:47,679
Speaker 1: morning and looks around, sees where he's at, see the mountain,

1752
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 1: whether it be in you know, moose country where you're

1753
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 1: you're either or a swampy area. But but you know

1754
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:57,880
Speaker 1: you're outdoors that there's more to the hunt that killing

1755
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:02,120
Speaker 1: the animal. You know, Uh, do you feel like optimism

1756
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:06,960
Speaker 1: helps get animals killed? You're speaking his language if you

1757
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 1: say yes, Well, I don't, I mean optimism helps, I don't.

1758
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:16,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if it draws the animal in it it. Oh, look,

1759
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:18,240
Speaker 1: there's a happy person. I'm gonna go talk to him.

1760
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:20,040
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think the same thing thing like that,

1761
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, I think you just

1762
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:28,080
Speaker 1: said it. Prior to that, you said that, like you

1763
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:31,080
Speaker 1: gotta have a good attitude. Yeah, and I think an

1764
01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:36,080
Speaker 1: attitude problem. Maybe there is just some something out there

1765
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:41,320
Speaker 1: that you know that a person, Yeah, a person rewarded

1766
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:44,800
Speaker 1: for going out there and being having a positive attitude.

1767
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:48,400
Speaker 1: Person has rewarded for going out there and just enjoying

1768
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 1: being in the outdoors and and um, you know, and

1769
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:57,400
Speaker 1: and and may maybe it's that attitude to that naturally

1770
01:40:57,479 --> 01:40:59,400
Speaker 1: makes him get out there and hit it harder and

1771
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:05,560
Speaker 1: enjoy it more. Now you're speaking language, believes that you

1772
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 1: tell him what much what you believe? I believe a

1773
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:13,080
Speaker 1: lot of things. Can you narrow down a little bit

1774
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:18,680
Speaker 1: how you feel that, Um that you're not sure what

1775
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:22,439
Speaker 1: the controlling mechanism is. You're not sure like what forces

1776
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:28,560
Speaker 1: in the universe control this, But you feel that radiating

1777
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 1: an optimism. Oh no, no, not at all. I feel

1778
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:38,200
Speaker 1: that like oftenism directly correlates to your success because you

1779
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:42,000
Speaker 1: go out there and instead of being like probably ain't

1780
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,960
Speaker 1: gonna see ship today and walking through the woods not

1781
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, not like not expecting to see something over

1782
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:50,280
Speaker 1: the next still not being ready to see something over

1783
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:53,880
Speaker 1: the next, still not being like constantly thinking like, oh,

1784
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:56,200
Speaker 1: it's about to happen, and actually being ready in the

1785
01:41:56,280 --> 01:41:59,240
Speaker 1: moment and like foreseeing it in your head just like

1786
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 1: they say, like you know you've never done something, If

1787
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:04,679
Speaker 1: you run that scenario through your head at gazillion times,

1788
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:08,879
Speaker 1: you're gonna perform better when that moment happens. So constantly

1789
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:12,240
Speaker 1: in your head being ready and being positive because if yeah,

1790
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:14,599
Speaker 1: if you wake up in the and look out your tango,

1791
01:42:15,240 --> 01:42:17,760
Speaker 1: probably not gonna see any sheet today, well guess what

1792
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:22,920
Speaker 1: probably not? Probably not. You know, he really set a mouthful.

1793
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:25,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's onto something, because it really

1794
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:29,680
Speaker 1: does feel that way some some sometime tied and you know,

1795
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,320
Speaker 1: it kind of affects everybody in camp too, you know.

1796
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:35,080
Speaker 1: But when when people have that attitude, you know, it

1797
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:38,719
Speaker 1: can kind of slough off onto the guide or whatever,

1798
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:42,200
Speaker 1: and that you just kind of get a little discouraged sometimes.

1799
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:46,400
Speaker 1: But keeping that positive attitude and it seems like, yeah,

1800
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:50,080
Speaker 1: maybe here's where it falls apart. Let's say there's a

1801
01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 1: sheep hunter or whatever, there's a squirrel hunter, okay, and

1802
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 1: he's like so positive and so optimistic. He's like, I'm

1803
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:06,280
Speaker 1: not even even the tent. I know, I know that

1804
01:43:06,360 --> 01:43:09,200
Speaker 1: if I sit right here looking out the door of

1805
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:12,200
Speaker 1: this tent, the sheet will come up here. You just

1806
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 1: done that. Uh you know, you may laugh at that.

1807
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:21,800
Speaker 1: That's probably actually happened. And it's happened with us a

1808
01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:23,760
Speaker 1: few times, and we've got lucky it doesn't happen all

1809
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:27,000
Speaker 1: the time. But everybody's got those stories, I know. Yeah,

1810
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 1: but they're so far a few people. But be honest.

1811
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:34,240
Speaker 1: Used to when Janest was guiding, he would have to

1812
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:40,439
Speaker 1: give He would give pep talks to try to main

1813
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:44,200
Speaker 1: He took it upon himself to maintain the client, to

1814
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:48,720
Speaker 1: to feed the client the type of optimism that he

1815
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:53,439
Speaker 1: felt is necessary to articulate it for him. Yeah, I

1816
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:57,679
Speaker 1: didn't work, I thought so pretty used to do little

1817
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:06,680
Speaker 1: pep talks for me. Yea. For some reason quit ran

1818
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 1: out of that. You still got a little pet, yea.

1819
01:44:13,479 --> 01:44:18,160
Speaker 1: You You'd be lost without you? Honest, he keeps, Oh yeah, man,

1820
01:44:20,479 --> 01:44:24,800
Speaker 1: he ranged you in every now and then. I bet Yeah, no, no,

1821
01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:26,360
Speaker 1: if you if you want, if you got out of

1822
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:32,160
Speaker 1: the bills, I'm getting out of the bills. You already

1823
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:36,120
Speaker 1: got a job, buck, I'd let you the only you're

1824
01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 1: the only qualified candidate. I got a job. I mean,

1825
01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:43,800
Speaker 1: what hit in the last outfitters? Yeah, So let's say

1826
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:45,160
Speaker 1: someone wants to come home with you, the kind of

1827
01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:47,519
Speaker 1: shot out of luck. Right, Let's they want to wait

1828
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:50,280
Speaker 1: till twenty or whatever it is. Oh no, no, we

1829
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:52,640
Speaker 1: got that. We We still got openings you know, here

1830
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:55,679
Speaker 1: and there. Every Uh we usually pretty much stay booked

1831
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:58,280
Speaker 1: up on the average for for a couple couple of

1832
01:44:58,360 --> 01:45:00,360
Speaker 1: years in bands. I mean, we've got hunters a right now,

1833
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:03,400
Speaker 1: they're booked out into two thousand twenty two. How do

1834
01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:05,280
Speaker 1: they know what they want to be doing in two

1835
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:07,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. And that's actually what I asked. This

1836
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:10,280
Speaker 1: guy said, Uh, this was like two years ago when

1837
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 1: he booked. It's like, we can we can be dead

1838
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:18,360
Speaker 1: by then, you know, and of course you have to

1839
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:20,880
Speaker 1: have you need to put a deposit down to hold

1840
01:45:20,920 --> 01:45:23,160
Speaker 1: a hunt you know. So he's like in five years

1841
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:25,760
Speaker 1: or four years, I would like to go sheep up.

1842
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:30,280
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I said, why why are you doing

1843
01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:32,439
Speaker 1: this now. He said, well, I just want to lock

1844
01:45:32,479 --> 01:45:35,080
Speaker 1: in the price now. And you know it's a good

1845
01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:39,400
Speaker 1: thought retiring or something. You know. Oh, so you honor

1846
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 1: that if he books it now even he gets for right, Yeah,

1847
01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:47,840
Speaker 1: if he books in two thousand and eighteen for the

1848
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:51,320
Speaker 1: uh two, I'm going to honor that too. But he

1849
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:54,960
Speaker 1: could be divorced or married. Hard things that could happen,

1850
01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:58,599
Speaker 1: Things that could happen to me too. You know what's

1851
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:02,160
Speaker 1: mostly causing these big increases in the prices? Is it

1852
01:46:02,280 --> 01:46:06,639
Speaker 1: just gas? And I think I think it's just because

1853
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:09,040
Speaker 1: they can, I mean, people pay them, you know, and

1854
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:14,840
Speaker 1: just uh and then you know I did do the

1855
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:18,000
Speaker 1: shows and and uh yeah, there's a lot of this. God,

1856
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:20,960
Speaker 1: I can't believe how much he's hunts cost now. You know.

1857
01:46:21,120 --> 01:46:25,479
Speaker 1: Then they they keep going up, and yeah, I know,

1858
01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:28,439
Speaker 1: and and and just and if you don't keep up,

1859
01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:31,680
Speaker 1: you know, keep with the the going trend, you know,

1860
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:34,920
Speaker 1: the going price, and then there's something wrong with you

1861
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:37,040
Speaker 1: as an outfit or and that, uh, why aren't you

1862
01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:41,360
Speaker 1: charging as much? You know? Yeah, exactly, you don't know.

1863
01:46:41,439 --> 01:46:44,760
Speaker 1: One wants some bargain basems. So it's not not that

1864
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:47,080
Speaker 1: I'm greedy I'm just trying trying to stay with it.

1865
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:50,519
Speaker 1: And I've had other fightersers come up and say, man,

1866
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:52,760
Speaker 1: you need to right your prices because they see that

1867
01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:55,479
Speaker 1: and of course there uh you know, they don't want

1868
01:46:56,080 --> 01:47:01,080
Speaker 1: a quality outfit or given away a cheaper hunt. Have you. Um,

1869
01:47:01,680 --> 01:47:04,400
Speaker 1: I feel like you told me this, you've kind of

1870
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:10,599
Speaker 1: lost your You've lost your taste for hunting personally. Yeah,

1871
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:13,519
Speaker 1: that's so much like being with you like guiding more

1872
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:15,479
Speaker 1: than you like hunting now and I just kind of lost,

1873
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:20,600
Speaker 1: you know, the enthusiasm you do uh nothing, Yeah, the enthusiasm,

1874
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:23,439
Speaker 1: I guess because I've been I've hunted so much and

1875
01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:26,160
Speaker 1: and just have taken everything and gone through the whole

1876
01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:31,080
Speaker 1: the whole thing. My myself personally, going on a personal hunt,

1877
01:47:31,400 --> 01:47:35,840
Speaker 1: it just doesn't um throwing me as m as much

1878
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:37,760
Speaker 1: as I used to. Just just like trapping too. I

1879
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:40,560
Speaker 1: trapped for you know, years and years and years and

1880
01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:43,680
Speaker 1: and I loved it and it's not that I but

1881
01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 1: now you know, been there, done that, that doesn't really

1882
01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:51,120
Speaker 1: hold that much appeal for me anymore. There's a lot

1883
01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:53,400
Speaker 1: of times at the end of a hunt, I'll have

1884
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:56,240
Speaker 1: a client say, hey, you need to come down after

1885
01:47:56,280 --> 01:47:59,479
Speaker 1: the hunting season and come whitetail hunting with us, and

1886
01:47:59,720 --> 01:48:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, sitting in a um, sitting in a tree

1887
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:06,000
Speaker 1: stand at you know, twenty degrees in the Midwest, looking

1888
01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:08,720
Speaker 1: out over a cornfield. Man. Last thing I want to

1889
01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:14,160
Speaker 1: do is, uh, you know, after after hunting for a

1890
01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:16,519
Speaker 1: full season, go hunting again. I'm gonna go lay on

1891
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:20,920
Speaker 1: a beach in a yi or something. Yeah. Well, what

1892
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:25,640
Speaker 1: age did that start to fade? The enthusiasms fade? I

1893
01:48:25,720 --> 01:48:29,400
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess, Uh, I don't know. I guess

1894
01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:35,840
Speaker 1: I really first noticed it probably six seven, eight years

1895
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:40,080
Speaker 1: ago maybe. And it's not that not that I if

1896
01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:42,560
Speaker 1: I go out and do it, I enjoy it. And

1897
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:46,280
Speaker 1: and maybe it's because too that, uh, I lived at

1898
01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:48,360
Speaker 1: lifestyle every day I've got I've got it any any

1899
01:48:48,439 --> 01:48:50,320
Speaker 1: day at day of the week I want. So maybe

1900
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 1: it's just just kind of a thing where I'm not

1901
01:48:57,479 --> 01:48:59,160
Speaker 1: it's not something I'm never gonna be able to do

1902
01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:01,320
Speaker 1: it and do again. And you know, and and there

1903
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:03,760
Speaker 1: there's times I get up, just like we were talking

1904
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:06,880
Speaker 1: talking about about moves, I still get just the biggest

1905
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:10,360
Speaker 1: thrill about going out and calling and moves. I mean, yeah, well,

1906
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:12,920
Speaker 1: you're all excited about You're all excited about our hunt

1907
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:15,960
Speaker 1: right now? Oh absolutely, I am. Yeah. You act about

1908
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:18,840
Speaker 1: other people's hunts the way people act about their own hunt. Yeah,

1909
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:22,040
Speaker 1: because I know what you're gonna be seeing when you

1910
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 1: get out there. I know where you're gonna be, the

1911
01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:28,720
Speaker 1: country you're gonna be in, and you me knowing you

1912
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:32,040
Speaker 1: the way I do. It's just it's right up your alley.

1913
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:37,439
Speaker 1: You're just gonna You're just gonna be um uh, pleasantly

1914
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:40,479
Speaker 1: surprised what you're gonna see out there. You know that,

1915
01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:44,439
Speaker 1: the that the country, to beauty, the rug, ruggedness, you

1916
01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:48,599
Speaker 1: know of it, of the whole thing. So how much

1917
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:51,559
Speaker 1: long do you think you'll run your business for? Um?

1918
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:57,240
Speaker 1: Probably till I die. I mean the only way, the

1919
01:49:57,360 --> 01:50:01,240
Speaker 1: only way I can afford to retires, if I dyeing. Yeah, yeah,

1920
01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:03,320
Speaker 1: But how much money you're making off those birch bowls

1921
01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:07,599
Speaker 1: you make? I'm not making us because I give him

1922
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:11,439
Speaker 1: a way to people like you we feel guilty about.

1923
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:14,000
Speaker 1: And we made up a deal today. We made up

1924
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:16,240
Speaker 1: a little wager by which we would determine which of

1925
01:50:16,360 --> 01:50:18,200
Speaker 1: us got the first picks out of the two bowls.

1926
01:50:18,280 --> 01:50:20,360
Speaker 1: But I thought you already picked out the way he wants.

1927
01:50:20,520 --> 01:50:21,800
Speaker 1: I know the one I want, but I haven't picked

1928
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:25,240
Speaker 1: it yet. And then you know I caused recently, I

1929
01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:28,240
Speaker 1: caused great physical harm, to be honest, and um so

1930
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:30,479
Speaker 1: that's weighing on my mind. But then we made this

1931
01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:34,000
Speaker 1: side wager by which we were determined who gets which bowl,

1932
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:36,639
Speaker 1: and the wage you kind of fell apart. So we're

1933
01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:42,479
Speaker 1: gonna keep struggling with it. Yeah, but Buck cuts burrels

1934
01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:46,320
Speaker 1: off old growth birch and hobbles it out into beautiful bowls.

1935
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:49,439
Speaker 1: Do you think about selling them online direct instead of

1936
01:50:49,479 --> 01:50:53,120
Speaker 1: selling the tourist shops. I'm actually, uh yeah, really thought

1937
01:50:53,120 --> 01:50:55,760
Speaker 1: about doing my own website with it, and uh dude,

1938
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:57,760
Speaker 1: it'd be so much better. Here's the thing. When you

1939
01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:00,320
Speaker 1: take you take that beautiful bowl he made up at

1940
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:03,679
Speaker 1: your lodge, okay, and you bring it to some terrorist

1941
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:09,000
Speaker 1: shop and some holser comes off cruise ship and buys it.

1942
01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 1: He don't know you, You don't know the story behind it. No,

1943
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:16,120
Speaker 1: you're right, he does it. Then he dies and his

1944
01:51:16,280 --> 01:51:20,080
Speaker 1: kid brings down to Goodwill. What if you had it

1945
01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:24,920
Speaker 1: that you had a place where you sold him for

1946
01:51:25,080 --> 01:51:30,280
Speaker 1: more money. I'll sell the damn things for you where

1947
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:33,040
Speaker 1: it was like, here's what the guy, here's the story

1948
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:35,320
Speaker 1: of the guy that made this, and here's how he

1949
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:39,559
Speaker 1: goes about it, and this is a buck bolden damn

1950
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:44,280
Speaker 1: bull would be way better because that way it wouldn't

1951
01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:47,120
Speaker 1: be falling into the hands of the undeserving. You're you're

1952
01:51:47,240 --> 01:51:49,760
Speaker 1: probably it is likely to fall into the hands of

1953
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:52,280
Speaker 1: the undeserving. One of my guys that have been guiding

1954
01:51:52,360 --> 01:51:55,439
Speaker 1: with me, he's been with me for this would have

1955
01:51:55,520 --> 01:52:00,599
Speaker 1: been twenty three year. He makes knives now and each

1956
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:05,120
Speaker 1: night he's the European right, uh, yeah, from Sweden. Yeah,

1957
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:09,640
Speaker 1: he uh, every night he sells. There's a little biography

1958
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:12,200
Speaker 1: with it that that he goes and put puts with

1959
01:52:12,680 --> 01:52:15,519
Speaker 1: it and and tell it a little bit how it

1960
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:19,080
Speaker 1: happened to his his uh you know, background of making

1961
01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:20,920
Speaker 1: knives and everything, and how the knight came to be.

1962
01:52:21,080 --> 01:52:24,080
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I think I think you're right that.

1963
01:52:25,040 --> 01:52:28,040
Speaker 1: I don't really know if that's foot yeah something, but

1964
01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:30,120
Speaker 1: it is because I don't know if people are like that,

1965
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:33,880
Speaker 1: I don't think they're picturing how the bowl came into existence,

1966
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:37,600
Speaker 1: because yeah, isn't there the whole backstory of the like

1967
01:52:37,720 --> 01:52:40,599
Speaker 1: the birch in your area happen to have more of these,

1968
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:45,560
Speaker 1: Well they're old growth. Yeah. Basically a burrow is just

1969
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:50,560
Speaker 1: a fungus, you know, and so they'll be uh the

1970
01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:55,120
Speaker 1: burrows as a reaction to the the fungus, right yeah,

1971
01:52:55,360 --> 01:53:00,560
Speaker 1: and and they're actually pretty rare. But but um, you know,

1972
01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:03,280
Speaker 1: when you when you find a birch that's going to

1973
01:53:03,400 --> 01:53:06,320
Speaker 1: have a burl on it, stay it's just like hunting

1974
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:09,800
Speaker 1: mushrooms or something. You know, stay right there and look

1975
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:12,320
Speaker 1: around at the other birds because there's gonna be probably

1976
01:53:12,360 --> 01:53:14,439
Speaker 1: other birds that have have them, you know, being a

1977
01:53:14,479 --> 01:53:17,800
Speaker 1: little yeah yeah, because that that that that fungus will

1978
01:53:18,160 --> 01:53:20,759
Speaker 1: will have affected those trees in that in that area.

1979
01:53:21,400 --> 01:53:23,400
Speaker 1: You know what what kind of mark up to these

1980
01:53:23,479 --> 01:53:26,599
Speaker 1: cruise ship tourist shops? What are they? What what kind

1981
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:28,560
Speaker 1: of mark up they put on your birch bowls? I

1982
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:31,080
Speaker 1: have no idea. I just know that it's this like

1983
01:53:31,320 --> 01:53:35,360
Speaker 1: a they get thirty nine where they come up with

1984
01:53:35,400 --> 01:53:38,479
Speaker 1: a figure nine percent? I don't know, but that's what. Yeah,

1985
01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:45,120
Speaker 1: that's where they Yeah, ye have sella bowls there, but

1986
01:53:45,240 --> 01:53:49,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't There was one time that I uh uh

1987
01:53:49,720 --> 01:53:53,400
Speaker 1: this um guy to make make makes some nice I'll

1988
01:53:53,400 --> 01:53:56,120
Speaker 1: tell you about he. Uh he talked me into getting

1989
01:53:56,120 --> 01:53:59,280
Speaker 1: a booth at the Saturday market there, and I just

1990
01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:02,840
Speaker 1: finished thirty bowls, so I thought, okay, I'll try it.

1991
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'm gonna have to go there and just

1992
01:54:06,040 --> 01:54:08,519
Speaker 1: sit there and and you know, maybe one or two

1993
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:11,599
Speaker 1: bowls or something. But I wentn't there and and uh

1994
01:54:12,160 --> 01:54:15,000
Speaker 1: sold like twenty five of those bowls just in one day,

1995
01:54:15,120 --> 01:54:19,120
Speaker 1: just just like that. And some of them were yeah,

1996
01:54:19,479 --> 01:54:22,879
Speaker 1: but I mean they went just like. I was amazed

1997
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:26,360
Speaker 1: at the at the reaction of them. But that's acceptable

1998
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:29,600
Speaker 1: to me to do with that, and and it was

1999
01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:33,240
Speaker 1: it was fun too, and and but um, you know,

2000
01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:36,680
Speaker 1: I've never since that I've been been able to get

2001
01:54:36,720 --> 01:54:39,720
Speaker 1: ahead enough with that that that that much of an inventory.

2002
01:54:39,800 --> 01:54:43,280
Speaker 1: How many can you make in a year? I mean,

2003
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:47,160
Speaker 1: if I dedicated myself to uh right now, I should say,

2004
01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 1: how many do you make in a year? Um? Back

2005
01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:53,120
Speaker 1: before the fire. I've been recently consumed with the last

2006
01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:56,280
Speaker 1: few few years and doing some rebuilding out to lodge

2007
01:54:56,320 --> 01:55:00,880
Speaker 1: after the fire, But uh, I could probably if I

2008
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:04,680
Speaker 1: dedicated uh, just going full time on making the bowls,

2009
01:55:06,280 --> 01:55:12,240
Speaker 1: probably at different stages about a hundred hundred and fifty

2010
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:15,760
Speaker 1: in a summer, probably I could do. If so, if

2011
01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:17,800
Speaker 1: you had to give up moose hunting or give up

2012
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:26,480
Speaker 1: carving birch bowls, what should you pick? Give up moose

2013
01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:30,600
Speaker 1: hunting or give up birch bowls. Yeah, well, I don't

2014
01:55:30,680 --> 01:55:32,920
Speaker 1: understand why I would have to give one of one

2015
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:36,440
Speaker 1: or the other. God came down and put a gun

2016
01:55:36,520 --> 01:55:39,480
Speaker 1: to your head. Yeah, I just said, okay, yeah, damned

2017
01:55:39,480 --> 01:55:44,600
Speaker 1: if you do, or damned if you don't. Huh, I

2018
01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:47,040
Speaker 1: I guess that kind of question. I guess I would

2019
01:55:47,080 --> 01:55:51,080
Speaker 1: just have to give up the Well, yeah, because it

2020
01:55:51,160 --> 01:55:52,960
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to me. I could see, I

2021
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:55,360
Speaker 1: could I can shoot a moose and come back and

2022
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:59,720
Speaker 1: make a birch bowl the same day. That's fair enough, man,

2023
01:56:00,280 --> 01:56:02,440
Speaker 1: It's fair enough to call the question. It's a question

2024
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:09,160
Speaker 1: the question. But yeah, I suppose I would give up

2025
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:15,240
Speaker 1: the the moose hunting. What. I'm sorry. I just really

2026
01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:20,200
Speaker 1: enjoy making those bowls. They're beautiful bowls, man works of art.

2027
01:56:22,160 --> 01:56:23,440
Speaker 1: And I like it because I look at it and

2028
01:56:23,520 --> 01:56:25,720
Speaker 1: I think about you know, I look at and think

2029
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:29,240
Speaker 1: about you, you know, the stories you told me, and

2030
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:32,400
Speaker 1: kind of like your place and you know big Pilo

2031
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:39,400
Speaker 1: burrels yet the Janny what do you? I don't know

2032
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:42,480
Speaker 1: if you remember this. First time I went out to

2033
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:47,200
Speaker 1: your place, there was a moose shed antler land right

2034
01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:51,560
Speaker 1: basically right where you park. You're playing yeah up on

2035
01:56:51,640 --> 01:56:54,400
Speaker 1: the and then and then when you had the fire,

2036
01:56:56,480 --> 01:56:58,920
Speaker 1: that antler got all burned up. It did, Yeah, it

2037
01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:06,200
Speaker 1: did that. That is displayed that burnt charred moose handler,

2038
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:08,960
Speaker 1: charred moose handler which stank the high Haven, Dan, you

2039
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:12,000
Speaker 1: remember this when I brought it out but eventually dried

2040
01:57:12,040 --> 01:57:15,800
Speaker 1: out in Danny's woodshop. That is displayed in a very

2041
01:57:15,880 --> 01:57:21,040
Speaker 1: prominent place in my home, like where well, the one

2042
01:57:21,480 --> 01:57:24,360
Speaker 1: piece of heirloom sort of furniture that my wife has

2043
01:57:24,440 --> 01:57:27,800
Speaker 1: from her family is this. I can't remember what you

2044
01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:31,840
Speaker 1: call it, man armoir. It's not a word I use

2045
01:57:31,960 --> 01:57:36,000
Speaker 1: lightly an armoir. It's up on top of that. And

2046
01:57:36,040 --> 01:57:38,440
Speaker 1: I've had people try to buy it from me. But

2047
01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:44,240
Speaker 1: why cup giant moose handler. Man. You look at it

2048
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:46,600
Speaker 1: and you're like, I haven't seen one of those before.

2049
01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:48,800
Speaker 1: Plus is a crazy andler. And the way it's got

2050
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:52,520
Speaker 1: that weird extra time and holds it up and so

2051
01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:56,280
Speaker 1: it's like it's like a flame itself because that drop

2052
01:57:56,400 --> 01:58:01,200
Speaker 1: time holds it up, so the paddle, the pad reaches

2053
01:58:01,360 --> 01:58:05,280
Speaker 1: up to the sky, but it flames out in the

2054
01:58:05,480 --> 01:58:10,080
Speaker 1: shape of a flame, and it's flame scarred and burnt.

2055
01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:12,680
Speaker 1: And people come in and I just had someone try

2056
01:58:12,760 --> 01:58:15,400
Speaker 1: to buy it off me. Wow for why, I mean,

2057
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:17,920
Speaker 1: my process selling, during the process of selling my house.

2058
01:58:18,320 --> 01:58:20,160
Speaker 1: What was the appeal of that thing to him? Then?

2059
01:58:20,200 --> 01:58:24,560
Speaker 1: Because it's crazy looking. Yeah, that's beautiful. It's like, uh,

2060
01:58:24,840 --> 01:58:26,640
Speaker 1: it's found art. Man. You don't know what you gave

2061
01:58:26,720 --> 01:58:29,440
Speaker 1: up and when I want it back now, I was

2062
01:58:29,480 --> 01:58:31,720
Speaker 1: gonna say, you might as well set all your sheds

2063
01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:36,280
Speaker 1: into another building that you yeah. Oh, and man, that

2064
01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:39,400
Speaker 1: was so sad. But that when when the barn went up,

2065
01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:42,800
Speaker 1: because that that the whole uh upper barn, that the

2066
01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:46,120
Speaker 1: loft was just stacked with years of sheds that I

2067
01:58:46,280 --> 01:58:49,400
Speaker 1: found there was there was a whole pile of them

2068
01:58:49,480 --> 01:58:52,680
Speaker 1: up in there. Just sad. I guess I don't know

2069
01:58:53,040 --> 01:58:54,960
Speaker 1: from what they are, but to me it was more

2070
01:58:54,960 --> 01:58:57,440
Speaker 1: and more sentimental thing all these years of these sheds

2071
01:58:57,480 --> 01:58:59,920
Speaker 1: and now they're gone. And then I remember I had

2072
01:59:00,160 --> 01:59:03,160
Speaker 1: just uh, there was a hundred and thirteen of the

2073
01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:06,760
Speaker 1: birch bowls that I had back in the barn done that. Yeah,

2074
01:59:06,840 --> 01:59:08,720
Speaker 1: they were almost done. I just had had to finish

2075
01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:14,200
Speaker 1: and finished standing on him all up in flames. Man. Hey,

2076
01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:18,560
Speaker 1: Danny talked about the great antler staff that you suffered. Yeah,

2077
01:59:18,720 --> 01:59:23,240
Speaker 1: I uh, I had been accumulating both shed and shot

2078
01:59:23,800 --> 01:59:28,200
Speaker 1: moose antlers and the head quite stack of them. Yeah,

2079
01:59:28,240 --> 01:59:32,960
Speaker 1: like my friends called it the pile of shame. And

2080
01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:35,920
Speaker 1: uh when I moved over to this house, say, yeah,

2081
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:37,760
Speaker 1: they took up residents like under the eve of my

2082
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:41,520
Speaker 1: workshop out him around the spruce tree. Yeah, and he

2083
01:59:41,600 --> 01:59:45,840
Speaker 1: had to stay. You know where'd you find him on?

2084
01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:48,240
Speaker 1: I mean just when your travels out there, Yeah, just

2085
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:51,560
Speaker 1: traveling for work and traveling for hunting trips and you know,

2086
01:59:51,600 --> 01:59:53,040
Speaker 1: and then a lot of them are just moose side

2087
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:56,840
Speaker 1: shot or bad people with people as cariboo handlers and

2088
01:59:56,880 --> 01:59:59,320
Speaker 1: you name it. Just a good big pile handlers out there.

2089
01:59:59,360 --> 02:00:02,520
Speaker 1: So we just stole him. Yeah, somebody came over the

2090
02:00:02,600 --> 02:00:04,600
Speaker 1: fence from the park out back. And you know it's

2091
02:00:04,640 --> 02:00:06,560
Speaker 1: a market for him now, for the like the dog

2092
02:00:06,840 --> 02:00:10,640
Speaker 1: to trade, you know, and it's been a hot ticket

2093
02:00:10,720 --> 02:00:14,320
Speaker 1: for theft around Anchorage. Man, and a friend of mine

2094
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:16,400
Speaker 1: that lives right in the neighborhood here. He had something

2095
02:00:16,440 --> 02:00:17,720
Speaker 1: he came up and work one day as guy in

2096
02:00:17,720 --> 02:00:19,879
Speaker 1: a ladder trying to take him off inside of his garage.

2097
02:00:22,040 --> 02:00:24,720
Speaker 1: Hardcore Jeffy got ripped off. That's what I'm talking about.

2098
02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:26,880
Speaker 1: You put a chain around that one you got outside

2099
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:28,640
Speaker 1: your door up there, and then oh, every time I

2100
02:00:28,680 --> 02:00:30,920
Speaker 1: come home, I check and make sure it's still there. Yeah.

2101
02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:37,160
Speaker 1: I love that. I love hand gade up comes to

2102
02:00:37,240 --> 02:00:42,400
Speaker 1: the man. Yeah, but yeah, they were I I uh yeah,

2103
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:45,760
Speaker 1: one morning I was just knocking around in the yard

2104
02:00:45,800 --> 02:00:47,640
Speaker 1: and something didn't feel right. Look, the whole pile is

2105
02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:53,320
Speaker 1: just gone, just gone. How many how oh, maybe like

2106
02:00:53,480 --> 02:00:57,440
Speaker 1: a six or eight sheds and then probably no more

2107
02:00:57,480 --> 02:01:00,720
Speaker 1: than that man, you know, including cariboy was probab maybe

2108
02:01:00,760 --> 02:01:05,080
Speaker 1: a couple of dozen sheds, and then uh, probably eight

2109
02:01:05,200 --> 02:01:09,320
Speaker 1: or ten just you know, like sets of candlers together

2110
02:01:09,400 --> 02:01:11,360
Speaker 1: on a skull plate that were shot, you know, just gone,

2111
02:01:12,240 --> 02:01:19,040
Speaker 1: just gone. Yeah, some therapy dogs somewhere chewing on You're stolen. Yeah,

2112
02:01:19,960 --> 02:01:22,880
Speaker 1: and then yeah, hardcore Jeffy got interviewed for like an

2113
02:01:22,920 --> 02:01:25,600
Speaker 1: a p r N story that ran locally here on

2114
02:01:25,680 --> 02:01:28,000
Speaker 1: the radio about stolen moose andlers, and I got picked

2115
02:01:28,080 --> 02:01:33,360
Speaker 1: up nationally and he was, yeah, yeah, we helped pack

2116
02:01:33,440 --> 02:01:36,160
Speaker 1: that bull out that got stolen off his garage and

2117
02:01:36,280 --> 02:01:38,680
Speaker 1: then uh yeah, and then he told that story about

2118
02:01:38,720 --> 02:01:40,400
Speaker 1: his buddy who got all handlers stole out of his

2119
02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:42,840
Speaker 1: backyard and that was me. So that kind of the

2120
02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:50,000
Speaker 1: story made the rounds. Yeah, so watch watching moose andlers? Man,

2121
02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:52,920
Speaker 1: what do they what do they do? These people take

2122
02:01:53,000 --> 02:01:55,200
Speaker 1: what what what you said? Dog? Choose? Are are they?

2123
02:01:55,760 --> 02:01:58,080
Speaker 1: Are they? Because some of them are pretty popular for

2124
02:01:58,200 --> 02:02:00,760
Speaker 1: carving too, right? I mean people the people that could

2125
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:02,680
Speaker 1: be the same market. I don't know, yeah, I think

2126
02:02:02,760 --> 02:02:07,680
Speaker 1: that the market well, well, the chandelier ship the shandon

2127
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:12,400
Speaker 1: like antler chandeliers became fashionable enoughfore they started like casting antlers.

2128
02:02:13,720 --> 02:02:17,360
Speaker 1: Antler chandeliers started to establish a market. And then there's

2129
02:02:17,400 --> 02:02:21,160
Speaker 1: the Asian apperdisiac thing too, that's round up belt but

2130
02:02:21,280 --> 02:02:27,400
Speaker 1: that's like like a that's there. And they raise in

2131
02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:33,160
Speaker 1: New Zealand they raise red deer to harvest vela velvet.

2132
02:02:33,360 --> 02:02:37,440
Speaker 1: But I was living a gnome. Every summer they'd come

2133
02:02:37,800 --> 02:02:41,160
Speaker 1: up there and they ring bring the rained reindeer herds

2134
02:02:41,200 --> 02:02:43,680
Speaker 1: in and have big old loppers and and take take

2135
02:02:43,720 --> 02:02:47,400
Speaker 1: their antlers off, and there'd be uh a lot of

2136
02:02:47,480 --> 02:02:52,520
Speaker 1: the Asians stand stand around buying them. They stander bind them.

2137
02:02:52,560 --> 02:02:54,720
Speaker 1: And then the chew toy they just take. They buy

2138
02:02:54,760 --> 02:02:56,960
Speaker 1: elk antlers and chop them up in like three four

2139
02:02:57,040 --> 02:03:00,520
Speaker 1: inch pieces and they kind of sand the edges. All yep.

2140
02:03:01,480 --> 02:03:06,200
Speaker 1: Dudes walk in and yeah, it's like each little chunk,

2141
02:03:06,360 --> 02:03:09,560
Speaker 1: each little chunk seven eight nine dollars. I mean, it

2142
02:03:09,600 --> 02:03:11,880
Speaker 1: probly defends where you are. This friend friend of mine

2143
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:16,000
Speaker 1: is Selsie, uh makes some n eyes. Every every year

2144
02:03:16,160 --> 02:03:20,000
Speaker 1: him and his daughter go up there early summer, I think,

2145
02:03:20,120 --> 02:03:23,360
Speaker 1: I guess it's early summer, early summer, up off the

2146
02:03:23,680 --> 02:03:26,040
Speaker 1: Hall road. They go in there and they and they

2147
02:03:26,440 --> 02:03:29,080
Speaker 1: come back with truckload, a big truck truck load of

2148
02:03:29,800 --> 02:03:33,680
Speaker 1: shed cariboo antlers, you know. And uh, that's what he does.

2149
02:03:33,800 --> 02:03:37,560
Speaker 1: He just he has a band. So he just boxes

2150
02:03:37,600 --> 02:03:39,520
Speaker 1: and boxes and these little cut up there. What do

2151
02:03:39,600 --> 02:03:41,360
Speaker 1: you won the world? Do you do with these? And

2152
02:03:41,600 --> 02:03:43,960
Speaker 1: and he has these little packages a little dog treats.

2153
02:03:44,640 --> 02:03:46,280
Speaker 1: That's a hard working dog. You can get through a

2154
02:03:46,360 --> 02:03:50,880
Speaker 1: cariboo way different. I know it. And I would like, wow,

2155
02:03:50,920 --> 02:03:52,800
Speaker 1: where'd you come up with that idea? He said, it's

2156
02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:55,320
Speaker 1: to go on trend, you know, that's what the and

2157
02:03:55,400 --> 02:03:57,480
Speaker 1: I think it too. I think it's like, I don't

2158
02:03:57,480 --> 02:04:01,240
Speaker 1: want to blabor this too much, but I think it's

2159
02:04:02,120 --> 02:04:06,839
Speaker 1: as those markets emerged and they became a dollar value.

2160
02:04:06,960 --> 02:04:10,040
Speaker 1: This is my own personal theory. As the markets emerged,

2161
02:04:10,080 --> 02:04:13,560
Speaker 1: the chew toy, the chandelier market, et cetera, and there

2162
02:04:13,600 --> 02:04:17,200
Speaker 1: started to bet a dollar value placed on antlers. I

2163
02:04:17,320 --> 02:04:22,200
Speaker 1: think it also drove interest and recreational antler pickers who

2164
02:04:22,280 --> 02:04:25,160
Speaker 1: just pick them for their own collections. And I brought

2165
02:04:25,200 --> 02:04:27,480
Speaker 1: this up before the same way like Morrel's. I think

2166
02:04:27,520 --> 02:04:30,840
Speaker 1: that with a market from Morrell's, where Morrell's are like

2167
02:04:30,920 --> 02:04:33,760
Speaker 1: worth you know, X dollars or a pound three dollars

2168
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:36,960
Speaker 1: a pound on up and you know dried mushroom prices,

2169
02:04:37,280 --> 02:04:39,680
Speaker 1: I think people are like, oh wow, I'd like to

2170
02:04:39,760 --> 02:04:41,760
Speaker 1: go find some of those and eat them if they're

2171
02:04:41,840 --> 02:04:45,160
Speaker 1: that value. And so it's like, it's just kind of

2172
02:04:45,200 --> 02:04:49,680
Speaker 1: funny the way that the antler, like antler collecting in

2173
02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:55,320
Speaker 1: our lifetimes has become just become this like obsessive thing

2174
02:04:55,400 --> 02:04:59,640
Speaker 1: and just be a chef head antlers. Of a sudden,

2175
02:04:59,680 --> 02:05:01,880
Speaker 1: there's a US attention that isn't drawn to them and

2176
02:05:01,960 --> 02:05:06,040
Speaker 1: there and they're considered a valuable thing to go after

2177
02:05:06,400 --> 02:05:09,080
Speaker 1: once while time people walk past into narrowheads and didn't

2178
02:05:09,080 --> 02:05:12,480
Speaker 1: stoop over to the Yeah yeah, you just looked at

2179
02:05:12,480 --> 02:05:15,680
Speaker 1: it like a beer can laying there. Yeah, Dan, you

2180
02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:22,440
Speaker 1: got any last things you want to ask about? Comments, questions? No,

2181
02:05:22,600 --> 02:05:25,880
Speaker 1: it's been it's been interesting conversation. I am uh, I

2182
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:29,760
Speaker 1: am very excited to get out in the last range

2183
02:05:29,800 --> 02:05:32,160
Speaker 1: and poke around your home turf a little bit. Yeah,

2184
02:05:32,240 --> 02:05:34,200
Speaker 1: I call I call flight service. So look, it looks

2185
02:05:34,200 --> 02:05:35,720
Speaker 1: like we're gonna have a good day for flying Mars.

2186
02:05:35,760 --> 02:05:38,040
Speaker 1: We're actually gonna be able to get out. Good to hear,

2187
02:05:38,160 --> 02:05:43,040
Speaker 1: this is not how I envisioned spending my day, I know. Yeah, yeah, well,

2188
02:05:43,080 --> 02:05:45,120
Speaker 1: I tell you what. It's actually a good thing though.

2189
02:05:45,160 --> 02:05:48,640
Speaker 1: I mean that it's gonna be this way that you're

2190
02:05:48,640 --> 02:05:51,360
Speaker 1: stuck here and not stuck out there and you know,

2191
02:05:51,560 --> 02:05:54,040
Speaker 1: on the airstrip just sitting there waiting for the you know.

2192
02:05:54,280 --> 02:05:57,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I did look group exercise today. We

2193
02:05:57,160 --> 02:06:00,920
Speaker 1: had nice dinner, pink pok tournament it Yeah, it's been fun.

2194
02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:05,600
Speaker 1: Dirt Yeah, final thoughts. It might be too long to

2195
02:06:05,640 --> 02:06:09,800
Speaker 1: get into, but I'm curious with the rebuild, how has

2196
02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:12,920
Speaker 1: there been some nostalgia with rebuilding your cabin, you know,

2197
02:06:13,880 --> 02:06:18,040
Speaker 1: decades after you did the initial build or you know

2198
02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:20,800
Speaker 1: what I mean. Just has there been some positive out

2199
02:06:20,840 --> 02:06:24,640
Speaker 1: of that experience after the fire? Actually? Yeah, I mean

2200
02:06:24,800 --> 02:06:28,800
Speaker 1: I um, I was actually actually be able to build

2201
02:06:28,920 --> 02:06:32,880
Speaker 1: something to improve on probably what you know, some of

2202
02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:35,880
Speaker 1: the drawbacks. I saw what I had before, I was

2203
02:06:35,960 --> 02:06:39,480
Speaker 1: able to put something up and and uh, you know,

2204
02:06:39,600 --> 02:06:44,440
Speaker 1: improve on what what it was there. But um, I'd

2205
02:06:44,440 --> 02:06:46,760
Speaker 1: still I would still much rather have have the old

2206
02:06:46,800 --> 02:06:48,960
Speaker 1: barner and have to have a time that I've had

2207
02:06:49,000 --> 02:06:53,360
Speaker 1: to invest in rebuilding. I was. I was just I

2208
02:06:53,480 --> 02:06:57,760
Speaker 1: was perfectly satisfied with what was there. But um, but

2209
02:06:57,960 --> 02:07:01,800
Speaker 1: it's a At first, it was overwhelming trying to start,

2210
02:07:01,960 --> 02:07:04,760
Speaker 1: you know, doing the rebuilds, Like, man, where do I start?

2211
02:07:04,960 --> 02:07:07,960
Speaker 1: And then now that I'm seeing the end of it too,

2212
02:07:08,160 --> 02:07:13,480
Speaker 1: it uh it's kind of um rewarding and satisfying knowing

2213
02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:16,560
Speaker 1: it's almost done. It's almost you know, it's almost back

2214
02:07:16,600 --> 02:07:20,880
Speaker 1: the way it was. Yeah, but man, you gotta you

2215
02:07:21,000 --> 02:07:22,920
Speaker 1: lost all the stuff that it was filled with. Two

2216
02:07:24,400 --> 02:07:27,240
Speaker 1: there were so many, so many people and they're right, right,

2217
02:07:27,440 --> 02:07:29,680
Speaker 1: right rightly. So you know, after the fire, they said, well,

2218
02:07:29,720 --> 02:07:33,760
Speaker 1: at least you didn't loot lose the lodge. But um,

2219
02:07:34,640 --> 02:07:38,240
Speaker 1: the real value of the place wasn't the lodge and

2220
02:07:38,360 --> 02:07:40,160
Speaker 1: was in at the real value of the place was

2221
02:07:40,200 --> 02:07:43,600
Speaker 1: everything that was in the barn and the shed. I mean,

2222
02:07:43,880 --> 02:07:46,840
Speaker 1: so if you're talking monetary, if the lodge would have

2223
02:07:46,920 --> 02:07:49,480
Speaker 1: gone up, it had just been a bunch of food

2224
02:07:49,480 --> 02:07:51,120
Speaker 1: and a bunch of dead animals on the wall that

2225
02:07:51,160 --> 02:07:55,160
Speaker 1: would have burned up, you know. But um, but the

2226
02:07:55,200 --> 02:07:58,000
Speaker 1: barn at all, the snow machine, the four wheelers, the

2227
02:07:58,120 --> 02:08:03,720
Speaker 1: airplane stuff. Um, I mean, just on and on. And

2228
02:08:04,120 --> 02:08:08,000
Speaker 1: I remember remember the after the fire, were sitting out

2229
02:08:08,040 --> 02:08:12,000
Speaker 1: there on porch lodge, justice offted. We've been fighting it

2230
02:08:12,080 --> 02:08:16,720
Speaker 1: all night and uh um, I thought, man, we got

2231
02:08:17,600 --> 02:08:22,480
Speaker 1: I needed something, and I needed the chainsaw. I remembered,

2232
02:08:23,400 --> 02:08:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go grab the chains jumping up out of

2233
02:08:25,200 --> 02:08:27,000
Speaker 1: the chair and running back to the barn. And also,

2234
02:08:27,240 --> 02:08:31,040
Speaker 1: oh wow, there is no barn, there is no change. Uh.

2235
02:08:31,360 --> 02:08:33,840
Speaker 1: And then and then uh it was funny I needed

2236
02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:37,040
Speaker 1: uh uh, I needed a screw driver. It's something simple,

2237
02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:39,640
Speaker 1: a screw driver. Everybody has a screwdriver, like laying around.

2238
02:08:39,680 --> 02:08:41,520
Speaker 1: I need a screw d I didn't have a screwdriver

2239
02:08:41,680 --> 02:08:44,760
Speaker 1: to just just a simple little thing that I needed

2240
02:08:44,840 --> 02:08:47,520
Speaker 1: right right there anyway, you know, just the stuff that

2241
02:08:47,600 --> 02:08:50,320
Speaker 1: you're you're used to having on hand, like a hammer,

2242
02:08:50,400 --> 02:08:53,160
Speaker 1: and I had no hammer. I had no nothing. You know,

2243
02:08:53,800 --> 02:08:55,520
Speaker 1: I had a fork that I had he used to

2244
02:08:55,600 --> 02:09:00,840
Speaker 1: try and you know, but anyway, that's all. Uh you

2245
02:09:00,880 --> 02:09:03,920
Speaker 1: don't think, you know, I thank God had you know, friends, family,

2246
02:09:04,040 --> 02:09:06,720
Speaker 1: and and uh you know that that helped with with

2247
02:09:06,840 --> 02:09:08,800
Speaker 1: the rebuild too. You know, there are a lot of

2248
02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:14,280
Speaker 1: generous people out there that that donated time and and money.

2249
02:09:14,360 --> 02:09:17,600
Speaker 1: You know, the family, they got together a benefit to

2250
02:09:17,640 --> 02:09:22,400
Speaker 1: help raise money to rebuild and on there. Forget that.

2251
02:09:22,600 --> 02:09:27,120
Speaker 1: I mean that that was really something that everybody panded

2252
02:09:27,160 --> 02:09:34,960
Speaker 1: together to help me rebuild. Yeah, Pounder, you're cool, dude, Buck,

2253
02:09:37,560 --> 02:09:39,720
Speaker 1: I like it. I like you to half dude. I

2254
02:09:39,840 --> 02:09:42,760
Speaker 1: like that. I wish you'd let me trade you something

2255
02:09:42,840 --> 02:09:48,560
Speaker 1: for it, and uh, hit in Alaska. I just want

2256
02:09:48,600 --> 02:09:50,880
Speaker 1: to see if see if there's any any truth to

2257
02:09:50,960 --> 02:09:54,480
Speaker 1: all this resiliency I hear about you. Dude, He's got

2258
02:09:54,520 --> 02:09:56,480
Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of resilience. Man, You think we'd call

2259
02:09:56,560 --> 02:10:04,120
Speaker 1: him Rich Pounder. If he didn't, we'd call him Chris Gil. Yeah.

2260
02:10:04,440 --> 02:10:13,160
Speaker 1: Well there you go, it's right over Chris Gil. Uh Ny,

2261
02:10:14,160 --> 02:10:17,320
Speaker 1: what's the longest you ever stayed out there without without

2262
02:10:17,400 --> 02:10:20,840
Speaker 1: going back to town? It wou about six months. It

2263
02:10:20,960 --> 02:10:23,959
Speaker 1: was remembers, uh like I think it was about seventy

2264
02:10:25,560 --> 02:10:30,160
Speaker 1: seventy six or seventy eight, maybe even seventy five. Uh,

2265
02:10:30,280 --> 02:10:37,680
Speaker 1: it's when Saint that the volcano uh st Augustine Blue Helens. No, No, no,

2266
02:10:37,880 --> 02:10:40,040
Speaker 1: it was Augustine because that was all his ash in

2267
02:10:40,120 --> 02:10:44,880
Speaker 1: the air. Is that a well known volcano? Yeah, yeah,

2268
02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:48,640
Speaker 1: we were. I was actually scheduled to come out in

2269
02:10:50,400 --> 02:10:53,920
Speaker 1: December after being in their trapping. Then that when the

2270
02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:56,720
Speaker 1: volcano blue all this ashes in the air, planes couldn't fly,

2271
02:10:57,160 --> 02:11:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, it was pretty thick, and I got stuck

2272
02:11:00,520 --> 02:11:04,280
Speaker 1: out there until February. So it would have been September

2273
02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:12,200
Speaker 1: through February, I guess, yeah, bransome time. Yeah. I would

2274
02:11:13,360 --> 02:11:17,160
Speaker 1: perfectly uh happy. I mean I wouldn't have any I

2275
02:11:17,240 --> 02:11:20,160
Speaker 1: didn't have any uh you know, sweethearts in town that

2276
02:11:20,240 --> 02:11:21,880
Speaker 1: I was missing or anything. I was out there with

2277
02:11:21,920 --> 02:11:25,760
Speaker 1: the dogs and the horses and just happy with you know,

2278
02:11:26,320 --> 02:11:31,400
Speaker 1: my every day meat diet. Just man, one of the

2279
02:11:31,680 --> 02:11:35,200
Speaker 1: you know, one of the crazy craziest things that I'll

2280
02:11:35,360 --> 02:11:38,760
Speaker 1: always remember that that still this day, I just pictured

2281
02:11:39,080 --> 02:11:42,400
Speaker 1: um after that time, after being out there for so long,

2282
02:11:43,200 --> 02:11:46,120
Speaker 1: when you're out in the woods, you see no right angles.

2283
02:11:46,400 --> 02:11:51,800
Speaker 1: You said, everything is symmetrical, the curves you compounded. There's

2284
02:11:51,840 --> 02:11:55,640
Speaker 1: nothing you ever seen and that's naturally a complete right angle,

2285
02:11:56,200 --> 02:11:59,000
Speaker 1: you know. And I remember jumping the plane and after

2286
02:11:59,320 --> 02:12:01,000
Speaker 1: living out there, jumping in a plane, all of a

2287
02:12:01,040 --> 02:12:04,600
Speaker 1: sudden we're flying the anchors. I'm flying over anchors looking

2288
02:12:04,720 --> 02:12:13,400
Speaker 1: down and wow, everything's right angles. It just looks so unnatural.

2289
02:12:13,400 --> 02:12:17,760
Speaker 1: It's really surreal, and it was just really felt weird. Yeah,

2290
02:12:17,960 --> 02:12:21,800
Speaker 1: and and I'll never ever forget thing. Wow this is

2291
02:12:22,320 --> 02:12:24,280
Speaker 1: it just looks like it looks like a science fiction

2292
02:12:24,400 --> 02:12:27,240
Speaker 1: movie or something. And then just dammy, you just come

2293
02:12:27,280 --> 02:12:29,920
Speaker 1: from a world where everything round, every you know, there's

2294
02:12:30,800 --> 02:12:33,720
Speaker 1: everything has a curve. That and I kept trying to say,

2295
02:12:34,120 --> 02:12:38,480
Speaker 1: what what have I seen out there that is a

2296
02:12:38,600 --> 02:12:40,960
Speaker 1: natural right angle? And I couldn't come up with anything,

2297
02:12:41,720 --> 02:12:45,280
Speaker 1: you know, and in nature that's a perfect right angle,

2298
02:12:45,440 --> 02:12:48,400
Speaker 1: like white white light, like the streets and trails, you know, yeah,

2299
02:12:48,440 --> 02:12:53,040
Speaker 1: the Meso Americans, they like they're like some hard edges,

2300
02:12:53,080 --> 02:12:55,480
Speaker 1: you know. But even like most the most the Native

2301
02:12:55,480 --> 02:13:01,720
Speaker 1: American groups, all the structures they lived in, round structural structures,

2302
02:13:01,840 --> 02:13:04,560
Speaker 1: no corners. Yeah, you couldn't lean anything in the corner.

2303
02:13:04,720 --> 02:13:09,160
Speaker 1: Can Can you think of anything natural that that that's

2304
02:13:09,200 --> 02:13:14,440
Speaker 1: in nature, that that that has a natural complete right

2305
02:13:14,480 --> 02:13:20,480
Speaker 1: angle my tooth, just that tree branch that Danny was

2306
02:13:20,560 --> 02:13:26,040
Speaker 1: standing on when he shot that. No, you're right though, yeah,

2307
02:13:26,520 --> 02:13:30,120
Speaker 1: and and and it's funny that we stumbled that, like culturally,

2308
02:13:31,280 --> 02:13:34,600
Speaker 1: we hit on this idea that we really like a corner. Yeah,

2309
02:13:34,720 --> 02:13:36,240
Speaker 1: but I imagine it comes from it's not that we

2310
02:13:36,320 --> 02:13:38,920
Speaker 1: really like a corner. Imagine just comes from Yeah, it

2311
02:13:39,000 --> 02:13:44,760
Speaker 1: just comes from a structural right. Structurally yeah, probably, I guess,

2312
02:13:44,800 --> 02:13:47,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it it just it just hit

2313
02:13:47,880 --> 02:13:51,240
Speaker 1: hit me. It just really spooky. That was not expecting

2314
02:13:51,320 --> 02:13:54,280
Speaker 1: to see that. I'm just hey, going to town and

2315
02:13:54,720 --> 02:13:58,000
Speaker 1: all said, wow, this is looks so weird. Everything it's

2316
02:13:58,040 --> 02:14:02,120
Speaker 1: just a checkerboard to a lecture one time by this

2317
02:14:02,240 --> 02:14:07,040
Speaker 1: is my concluding thought. You got on concluders, Johnny Um.

2318
02:14:08,360 --> 02:14:10,000
Speaker 1: I went to a lecture one time by a guy

2319
02:14:10,040 --> 02:14:15,520
Speaker 1: who'd done these um huge canoe expeditions, you know, like

2320
02:14:15,680 --> 02:14:18,120
Speaker 1: he paddled the whole north Shore Lake Superior and did

2321
02:14:18,160 --> 02:14:21,640
Speaker 1: all these other crazy canoe trips, and you're saying that

2322
02:14:23,160 --> 02:14:26,040
Speaker 1: he was asking the audience He's like, you know when

2323
02:14:26,080 --> 02:14:27,920
Speaker 1: you go out in the woods for a week, how

2324
02:14:29,520 --> 02:14:34,680
Speaker 1: everything kind of slows down right in your senses pick

2325
02:14:34,800 --> 02:14:38,320
Speaker 1: up and you feel that you're hearing kind of either

2326
02:14:38,400 --> 02:14:40,720
Speaker 1: improves or it becomes more in tune, and you smell

2327
02:14:40,840 --> 02:14:43,280
Speaker 1: things you didn't smell, and there's sort of that you keep.

2328
02:14:43,320 --> 02:14:49,120
Speaker 1: You kind of fall into this slower, more contemplative, deliberate

2329
02:14:49,600 --> 02:14:54,080
Speaker 1: rhythm over the course of a week. And he was saying, uh,

2330
02:14:54,960 --> 02:14:59,520
Speaker 1: he says, you know, when you're out for six months,

2331
02:15:01,800 --> 02:15:07,440
Speaker 1: it still keeps happening at that same pace, like he

2332
02:15:07,600 --> 02:15:12,720
Speaker 1: hadn't found the end of it yet, which is, uh,

2333
02:15:13,360 --> 02:15:16,000
Speaker 1: you know something I think most people aren't gonna experience, No,

2334
02:15:16,200 --> 02:15:19,920
Speaker 1: probably not to see it, go to see that quietness

2335
02:15:20,040 --> 02:15:25,520
Speaker 1: go that long. For me, Um, it was the terrorist

2336
02:15:25,640 --> 02:15:35,600
Speaker 1: text changed Um really changed things for me about being

2337
02:15:36,160 --> 02:15:41,320
Speaker 1: gone on longer trips, because you got this sense we

2338
02:15:41,480 --> 02:15:45,720
Speaker 1: one time went to where you didn't the thing was happening,

2339
02:15:46,800 --> 02:15:49,880
Speaker 1: and you didn't want to be gone longer. It became

2340
02:15:50,040 --> 02:15:53,600
Speaker 1: like I became more aware of the fact that you

2341
02:15:53,840 --> 02:15:58,000
Speaker 1: might have stepped out, but the but the world moves still. Yeah.

2342
02:15:58,360 --> 02:16:00,200
Speaker 1: We went on a long we went on a lot

2343
02:16:00,240 --> 02:16:02,160
Speaker 1: trip for deer one time when they were trying to

2344
02:16:02,240 --> 02:16:08,120
Speaker 1: settle the Gore George the Gore the Gore Bush election

2345
02:16:09,000 --> 02:16:11,480
Speaker 1: and we we they didn't know. We actually put off

2346
02:16:11,560 --> 02:16:13,720
Speaker 1: departure way to see how the election was going to go,

2347
02:16:14,680 --> 02:16:18,280
Speaker 1: so well, we better go anyway. Um went on a

2348
02:16:18,360 --> 02:16:20,880
Speaker 1: float trip, got back. They still hadn't figured it out yet,

2349
02:16:22,160 --> 02:16:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, and then you had and then the terror attacks, uh,

2350
02:16:27,680 --> 02:16:30,040
Speaker 1: and then it became like being I just remember like

2351
02:16:30,120 --> 02:16:34,480
Speaker 1: being away was just different, different because you were about

2352
02:16:34,520 --> 02:16:37,360
Speaker 1: that's something had happened, that's some horrible thing had happened,

2353
02:16:38,000 --> 02:16:40,040
Speaker 1: and you weren't in tune to it. And then that

2354
02:16:40,160 --> 02:16:43,840
Speaker 1: kind of segued for me into having kids. And then

2355
02:16:43,879 --> 02:16:46,920
Speaker 1: when you have kids and you're going along trips, there's

2356
02:16:47,000 --> 02:16:52,080
Speaker 1: always this this nagging sense that like something would happen right,

2357
02:16:52,320 --> 02:16:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, like something would go wrong and you wouldn't

2358
02:16:55,200 --> 02:17:00,200
Speaker 1: be there or or whatever that that that like you

2359
02:17:01,160 --> 02:17:06,840
Speaker 1: it became harder to divorce yourself from this sort of societal, cultural,

2360
02:17:07,000 --> 02:17:11,600
Speaker 1: global momentum that was going on and now it is. Man,

2361
02:17:11,959 --> 02:17:16,199
Speaker 1: It's it's like it's not difficult to feel at Pete.

2362
02:17:18,200 --> 02:17:23,160
Speaker 1: There is a peacefulness still, but it's hard to for me.

2363
02:17:23,560 --> 02:17:25,959
Speaker 1: It's hard to just get the sense that like everything

2364
02:17:26,160 --> 02:17:29,160
Speaker 1: stopped and I'm just here now, Like I have this

2365
02:17:29,320 --> 02:17:33,400
Speaker 1: like thing in my head that something could be happening,

2366
02:17:33,800 --> 02:17:36,480
Speaker 1: something horrible could be happening, right, yeah, and you have

2367
02:17:36,600 --> 02:17:40,400
Speaker 1: no control over it either. It's it's just a thing

2368
02:17:40,520 --> 02:17:43,880
Speaker 1: that like, you know, it's part of the falling from grace, right.

2369
02:17:44,720 --> 02:17:48,600
Speaker 1: So I think about especially with kids, man, like I

2370
02:17:48,720 --> 02:17:55,160
Speaker 1: found that, um, there's a huge element of there's a

2371
02:17:55,240 --> 02:18:01,760
Speaker 1: huge element of guilt that goes into having kids entails

2372
02:18:01,800 --> 02:18:06,760
Speaker 1: like a level of guilt. It becomes uncomfortable, just self

2373
02:18:06,800 --> 02:18:08,800
Speaker 1: and pos It's just I think that I'm just governed

2374
02:18:08,879 --> 02:18:11,440
Speaker 1: by it in a way, you know, governed by it

2375
02:18:11,480 --> 02:18:18,160
Speaker 1: in a way with kids, right that Like, I don't know,

2376
02:18:18,360 --> 02:18:20,360
Speaker 1: it's not nice, but it is because it's like I

2377
02:18:20,360 --> 02:18:22,200
Speaker 1: guess that's what keeps you on track. That's what keeps

2378
02:18:22,240 --> 02:18:23,920
Speaker 1: me on track. Different people have different things to keep

2379
02:18:23,920 --> 02:18:25,880
Speaker 1: me on track. And it could be and I've I've

2380
02:18:25,920 --> 02:18:28,080
Speaker 1: talked about this before. I think like it could be

2381
02:18:28,280 --> 02:18:32,160
Speaker 1: that I'm not using the right word that what that?

2382
02:18:32,360 --> 02:18:34,760
Speaker 1: What that? I'm like, Oh, it's guilt. But maybe it's

2383
02:18:34,800 --> 02:18:39,840
Speaker 1: just um commitment to your obligations. And I just think

2384
02:18:40,080 --> 02:18:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm just articulating it wrong. Maybe it's just like a

2385
02:18:42,520 --> 02:18:45,400
Speaker 1: sense of duty, like you could you can make it

2386
02:18:45,520 --> 02:18:48,200
Speaker 1: sound better than than just like it's like this vague

2387
02:18:48,240 --> 02:18:51,240
Speaker 1: sense of guilt, a sense of duty, sense of obligation.

2388
02:18:52,040 --> 02:18:57,480
Speaker 1: So being gone is different now. And I'm not talking

2389
02:18:57,640 --> 02:19:03,520
Speaker 1: six months shit either. I'm talking quick, you know. Yeah,

2390
02:19:03,920 --> 02:19:07,640
Speaker 1: you got any last thoughts you'd like to add? No,

2391
02:19:08,280 --> 02:19:11,680
Speaker 1: I think i think I'm about bready to ready to

2392
02:19:11,720 --> 02:19:14,720
Speaker 1: hit the rack and get up and get to get

2393
02:19:14,800 --> 02:19:21,240
Speaker 1: everybody out into the woods. Sounds good to me, all right, man, Well,

2394
02:19:21,240 --> 02:19:25,440
Speaker 1: thank you for sitting down for so long that I've

2395
02:19:25,480 --> 02:19:28,080
Speaker 1: had a blast with you guys, just in a lot

2396
02:19:28,080 --> 02:19:30,040
Speaker 1: the last two two days I've hung out with you.

2397
02:19:31,080 --> 02:19:34,280
Speaker 1: Thanks man, great dinner last night and then uh and

2398
02:19:34,360 --> 02:19:37,080
Speaker 1: then this thing to night first time. Yeah, you had

2399
02:19:37,080 --> 02:19:39,640
Speaker 1: a little captain little Captain's plaid, a little Danny Ranella,

2400
02:19:39,680 --> 02:19:46,119
Speaker 1: Captain's hall of it salmon who again everything I said

2401
02:19:46,160 --> 02:19:50,120
Speaker 1: that no hush puppies. Yeah, yeah that uh, we're a

2402
02:19:50,520 --> 02:19:52,360
Speaker 1: dose for the hohol again that you had deep fried

2403
02:19:52,480 --> 02:19:55,360
Speaker 1: right there? Y Yeah, they were Oh they were delicious,

2404
02:19:55,480 --> 02:19:58,160
Speaker 1: especially when they're fresh out of there and the tails

2405
02:19:58,160 --> 02:20:01,879
Speaker 1: were crispy, you know. Yeah, Hey, the trick is baking

2406
02:20:01,920 --> 02:20:05,040
Speaker 1: those for a while after you deep Brian. Is that

2407
02:20:05,120 --> 02:20:06,480
Speaker 1: what you did then or yeah, a lot of the

2408
02:20:06,520 --> 02:20:09,160
Speaker 1: grease comes out and they crisp, bought real nice like that, man,

2409
02:20:09,240 --> 02:20:10,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, we eat a lot of them like that,

2410
02:20:10,480 --> 02:20:16,640
Speaker 1: my kids especially. Just is that pretty rank oil? That's

2411
02:20:16,640 --> 02:20:19,320
Speaker 1: probably fine? Yeah, yeah, I think they were the star

2412
02:20:19,440 --> 02:20:22,760
Speaker 1: of the show. Really. They were pleaser man. Yeah, what

2413
02:20:23,360 --> 02:20:26,400
Speaker 1: were they? What were the longer ones then? Because you

2414
02:20:26,480 --> 02:20:30,760
Speaker 1: had that, didn't where there was a candlefish? Yeah, same thing. Yeahah,

2415
02:20:30,800 --> 02:20:33,600
Speaker 1: those are all hooligan yeah okay, because yeah, one was

2416
02:20:33,680 --> 02:20:36,400
Speaker 1: just smokes and one was fried. Right, That's that's that's

2417
02:20:36,440 --> 02:20:39,000
Speaker 1: what the different. Yeah. Yeah, some we're smoking someone fried. Yeah.

2418
02:20:39,040 --> 02:20:41,240
Speaker 1: And the ones had their heads on, so they were

2419
02:20:41,440 --> 02:20:44,680
Speaker 1: they were bigger fish that way. What the the fried ones?

2420
02:20:44,760 --> 02:20:48,000
Speaker 1: They the heads on them too, didn't they? No, yest,

2421
02:20:49,120 --> 02:20:50,800
Speaker 1: you're looking for a chore. I told him. The headn't

2422
02:20:50,800 --> 02:20:53,960
Speaker 1: got the all the ones we fried, okay, Yeah, but

2423
02:20:55,120 --> 02:20:58,480
Speaker 1: then and then they the King salmon chunks, and then

2424
02:20:58,520 --> 02:21:01,240
Speaker 1: I think you had helmet chunks, did you. I mean

2425
02:21:01,320 --> 02:21:07,480
Speaker 1: it's just a real you know, it's morg board fish. Yeah,

2426
02:21:08,840 --> 02:21:12,400
Speaker 1: flatter man. Yeah, you want hooligan dipping next, may get

2427
02:21:12,520 --> 02:21:14,200
Speaker 1: in touch man. We'll go out and I would let

2428
02:21:14,440 --> 02:21:17,040
Speaker 1: you know after having that in that left, I've already

2429
02:21:17,080 --> 02:21:19,400
Speaker 1: seen everybody you know, gathered around the creek down there

2430
02:21:19,520 --> 02:21:23,320
Speaker 1: doing it that. You know, what's that? What's up with this?

2431
02:21:23,480 --> 02:21:26,119
Speaker 1: What's what's the big deal with the only white guy

2432
02:21:26,200 --> 02:21:31,640
Speaker 1: down there? That's he takes those hooligans down. He takes

2433
02:21:31,680 --> 02:21:34,520
Speaker 1: those hooligans down. Well, we were catching bourbon on hooligans

2434
02:21:34,560 --> 02:21:37,440
Speaker 1: through the ice open the interior, and then he takes

2435
02:21:37,480 --> 02:21:43,320
Speaker 1: the hooligans down and catches uh halibut halibant and salmon

2436
02:21:43,360 --> 02:21:46,800
Speaker 1: on hooligans. Yeah, it's so so it's it's uh there

2437
02:21:47,000 --> 02:21:50,280
Speaker 1: there's good baits Harring. Then they're real oily like Harry

2438
02:21:50,680 --> 02:21:53,000
Speaker 1: put out a good sent you know. But the thing

2439
02:21:53,120 --> 02:21:55,080
Speaker 1: Harring have up on them, those Harring it that real

2440
02:21:55,200 --> 02:21:59,600
Speaker 1: shiny flash, you know. And yeah, there's shapes just different.

2441
02:21:59,640 --> 02:22:04,560
Speaker 1: It's more like harry is kind of a more usable shape. Yeah. Yeah, there,

2442
02:22:04,720 --> 02:22:06,960
Speaker 1: and they got that that real nice sheen. You know

2443
02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:09,120
Speaker 1: they catch us us. You see that harring spinning like

2444
02:22:09,160 --> 02:22:12,360
Speaker 1: when you're moving. Yeah, I know, man, A lot a

2445
02:22:12,440 --> 02:22:14,560
Speaker 1: lot of times that I'd be, uh, you know, we'd

2446
02:22:14,600 --> 02:22:16,959
Speaker 1: be hooking up harrying on there and I'd be looking

2447
02:22:17,000 --> 02:22:20,800
Speaker 1: around here. Anybody say if I one of these man,

2448
02:22:20,840 --> 02:22:24,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to eat the bait. My brother he spends

2449
02:22:24,560 --> 02:22:26,000
Speaker 1: our other brother spends a lot of time down in

2450
02:22:26,000 --> 02:22:29,840
Speaker 1: the Bahamas fishing, and he heard a story about he's

2451
02:22:29,840 --> 02:22:31,320
Speaker 1: talking to this guy down there. It does a little

2452
02:22:31,360 --> 02:22:35,160
Speaker 1: guiding and he goes out with some he's talking about

2453
02:22:35,200 --> 02:22:39,400
Speaker 1: taking some Italians out fishing and pulls out some squid

2454
02:22:39,920 --> 02:22:44,720
Speaker 1: for bait. Those Italians like, would not bait a hook

2455
02:22:44,760 --> 02:22:49,080
Speaker 1: at that squid? Why because they eat it? Like you're

2456
02:22:49,120 --> 02:22:57,440
Speaker 1: not gonna put that Yeah, let's just eat that. Yeah.

2457
02:22:57,800 --> 02:23:01,760
Speaker 1: Another one is octopus to octopus babe bases good bait,

2458
02:23:01,840 --> 02:23:04,320
Speaker 1: but man, they are sure sure good, you know, cooked off.

2459
02:23:04,680 --> 02:23:06,520
Speaker 1: I really like, you know, I don't know if we've

2460
02:23:06,560 --> 02:23:09,760
Speaker 1: ever We used to put octopus chunks, octopus arm on

2461
02:23:09,879 --> 02:23:13,320
Speaker 1: halbut hooks I can't do anything do that a long time. Yeah.

2462
02:23:13,920 --> 02:23:17,400
Speaker 1: The nice saying is that the octopus will stay on

2463
02:23:17,840 --> 02:23:20,480
Speaker 1: pretty easy too. Yeah, you know that's something about it. Yeah.

2464
02:23:20,959 --> 02:23:22,600
Speaker 1: We use a lot of salmon fins too. Man. They

2465
02:23:22,680 --> 02:23:24,240
Speaker 1: got some stand You get that through the skin and

2466
02:23:24,320 --> 02:23:27,000
Speaker 1: through the sort of the thin raise and they got

2467
02:23:27,400 --> 02:23:30,039
Speaker 1: real star. You can put a harring on a halbut

2468
02:23:30,080 --> 02:23:34,600
Speaker 1: hook and then tip it with a salmon fin where

2469
02:23:34,640 --> 02:23:38,080
Speaker 1: you running through that cartilage and it's basically like a

2470
02:23:38,200 --> 02:23:40,960
Speaker 1: retainer holder. Yeah, that holds it on. Where'd you come

2471
02:23:41,040 --> 02:23:44,280
Speaker 1: up with that idea? That's not pretty cool? I can't

2472
02:23:44,360 --> 02:23:48,440
Speaker 1: claim just it's not. It's not a ranella. Think it's

2473
02:23:48,480 --> 02:23:53,440
Speaker 1: something that's been thought of thoughts, you know. Yeah, all

2474
02:23:53,520 --> 02:24:01,160
Speaker 1: right man, good night SA