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Speaker 1: talking of smart people, We talked to Ian Grammar earlier

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Speaker 1: the podcast. Um, we got another one for you. You

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Speaker 1: talked to a smart person every day. I wish you

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Speaker 1: David and Diane Stephie research fellow, too Over Institution, Director

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Speaker 1: are you? I'm drink fine, gentlemen, how are you excellent?

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Speaker 1: We ran late, repressed for time, and we blame ourselves.

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Speaker 1: But as the director of Domestic Policy Studies at Stanford

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Speaker 1: and in the lecture in Public Policy, what do you

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Speaker 1: think about the implementation of this shocking public policy, for

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Speaker 1: instance in Stinson, California. Thus far, well, look, I think

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Speaker 1: it's important. I actually am in favor of trying to

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Speaker 1: and you know, we're gonna see what happens. I do

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Speaker 1: And I think that speaks to the sort of society

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Speaker 1: I consent to that seems reasonable. That makes me happy. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: doing things like, for example, saying, hey, look, I've got

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Speaker 1: I assume you, like me, are in favor of caning

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Speaker 1: is a God and he loves us and he wants

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Speaker 1: us to be happy. So thank you guys for that.

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Speaker 1: Lani Chen of the Hoover Institution and Stanford University, thanks

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Speaker 1: a million. Lon. He's sorry it was so short, but

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Speaker 1: How good is he? Oh, he's terrific. You know, I

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