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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this episode number two hight

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Speaker 1: four and today in the show, we are exploring how

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Speaker 1: to prepare like a pro for the upcoming hunting season

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Speaker 1: by hearing from expert d I Y bow hunter Andy

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Speaker 1: May on the archery, scouting, stand, site and mental planning

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Speaker 1: preparations he executes each summer. Okay, so real quick, before

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Speaker 1: we get into this discussion, we do need to quickly

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Speaker 1: thank on x for the support of this podcast. On

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Speaker 1: next to the creator of the on X hunt app,

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Speaker 1: which is the mobile mapping tool I use for all

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Speaker 1: of my hunting adventures. I use it all spring and

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Speaker 1: summer as I scout and plan hunting locations, and then

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Speaker 1: I'm using it all fall as I'm hunting and marking

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Speaker 1: various locations, navigating private land and public land boards, all

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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. It's it's almost always in use

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Speaker 1: for me, no matter what time of year, so highly

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Speaker 1: recommend it. Heading over to the mobile app store of

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Speaker 1: your choice or visit on x maps dot com to

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Speaker 1: learn more. All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by on X and today I am

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Speaker 1: sitting here in my home office in person with my

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Speaker 1: buddy Andy May. Andy, thanks for making the drive over here.

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Speaker 1: There had no problem, man, happy to do it. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna try to get out and shoot our bows and

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Speaker 1: do some stuff like that. It's just been raining and

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Speaker 1: crappy as it's been almost for the last three months,

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Speaker 1: so figured this we get opportunity, though, to to chat

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Speaker 1: about some stuff. Um and I thought we could chat

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Speaker 1: about some stuff that's particularly relevant to a little series

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Speaker 1: that I've been running here on the podcast, and I

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Speaker 1: think you've heard some of those episodes right about kind

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Speaker 1: of all the different habits or practices or routines or

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Speaker 1: training regimens that are helped people achieve excellence in other

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Speaker 1: fields and how those things might be able to apply

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Speaker 1: to what we're doing here as hunters. So we study

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Speaker 1: or we talked to a guy who's an Olympic free skier,

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Speaker 1: things across athletics and business and art and all sorts

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Speaker 1: of things. Um and we're gonna continue to talk to

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Speaker 1: something that's super relevant to deer hunting, which is, how

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Speaker 1: do you take all those things and put them into

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Speaker 1: like that, at least for me. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: into September seem like, Okay, you better really get your

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Speaker 1: There's like an added pressure or something. It's coming. It's here.

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Speaker 1: do you ever feel like that once June? Yeah? Totally. Um.

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Speaker 1: I guess I guess subconsciously I'm trying to peek, you know,

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Speaker 1: love you know, shooting out back with your buddies, and

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Speaker 1: You've said numerous times and some of the past conversations

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Speaker 1: Whatever final preparations you're doing, prepping locations, preparating access. I

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Speaker 1: not like you were just starting your preparation now for

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Speaker 1: people probably do that though, don't they Oh yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: dozen arrows end up being exactly the same. And you know,

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Speaker 1: from there, that's when I go out and I that's

429
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 1: when I start, you know, sitting in my bow getting

430
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Speaker 1: my marks. And you asked me if I changed anything

431
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 1: from last year, and I did so a big thing.

432
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: Um you know, in April in May, I was testing

433
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 1: errow flight with down range grouping. So I forgot to

434
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 1: bring it. I was gonna bring it, but I have

435
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: this big chart that I do where I shoot. You know,

436
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 1: I'll shoot at forty, I'll shoot at eighty. And what

437
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm doing is I'm shooting three arrow groups and I'm

438
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 1: I'm measuring the group. Okay, so I might do this

439
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 1: bow to bow like my halon thirty two versus my traverse,

440
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 1: just to see which one I'm shooting better. But what

441
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 1: I was really focusing on, I did shoot those two

442
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 1: bows against each other, but I was also shooting on

443
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 1: three flesh versus four fletch. Okay, so what I noticed

444
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: with uh my, my three frets three fletch last year,

445
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 1: I noticed my arrow flight was a little noisier than

446
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 1: I wanted. And I was like, okay, I want to

447
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 1: I want slightly quieter flight. It wasn't a big deal.

448
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 1: I killed, you know, I killed some animals. But I

449
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: think I can get better. I think I can get

450
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: the arrow quieter downrange. So I went with a lower

451
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 1: profile four flesh so that I was using Um, yeah,

452
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: I tested those against each other and over I think

453
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 1: I shot I don't know, eighty groups, you know, marketing

454
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: measuring the greatest distance between the two farthest arrows, you know,

455
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: in my group out of the three arrow group, and

456
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: it was clear that for me, the four fletched was

457
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: more accurate than the three. Now we're talking let's say

458
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 1: at forty yards, Say my group was um, you know,

459
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 1: uh inch and a half with the four flesh and

460
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: with the three flesh at one point six seven. I

461
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: mean we're talking splitting hairs here, right. Kind of seems silly,

462
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 1: but to me, for me, it's just like, hey, I improved.

463
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 1: Remember we talked. We talked about before you grab inches everywhere,

464
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: and for me that's an inch. And it's also just

465
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: kind of um helps increase my confidence, like, hey, I'm

466
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: shooting you know, point one point one inch better. So

467
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, mentally, it's uh, I think it's good

468
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: for you. Um. So then then what I did is

469
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: I started using some slow motion video and I was

470
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 1: just I wanted to see the errow flight. So now,

471
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: like with your iPhone or some of these these high

472
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 1: end cameras, you can you know, put the camera right

473
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: behind you shoot that erroow flight and slow motion to

474
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: actually see what your arrow is going doing down wind.

475
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: And it was I don't know if you remember, but

476
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: the spring was really wind. It was hard to find

477
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: a calm day to shoot. So I was like, still

478
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 1: feels like it now, I'm right, so when to hear

479
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 1: my Yeah, I remember we were trying to get ready

480
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: for Total Archer Challenge to get our long range you know,

481
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: uh marks on it, and it's like we couldn't get

482
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: a day where it was calm. So with that slow

483
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: motion photography or video, what I what I noticed was

484
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: like man, when you shoot in a cross wind, your

485
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: arrow comes out of the bow and then depending you know,

486
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: depending on you know where where the winds blowing or

487
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: which direction your your arrow kicks big time one way

488
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: or another, depending So if you're getting a right to left,

489
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 1: your arrow will kick way knock left out there. And

490
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: I never realized, I guess I kind of just assumed

491
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: the arrow would just kind of drift. Well it doesn't.

492
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: It pulls that back in and pulls the fletching because

493
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: it's more right. Yeah, And I figured it did that

494
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: to a point, but I was I couldn't believe how

495
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: dramatic it was. And I was like, holy smokes, if

496
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: I hit an animal at that distance where it's at

497
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: mid kick, like, where's my penetration? So I reached out

498
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 1: to I reached out to all these guys. I talked

499
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: to Tim Gillingham, Uh, you know a bunch of pro shooters,

500
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: basically because you know these are the guys I feel like,

501
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: think like me, you know what I mean, like, um,

502
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,959
Speaker 1: as far as I guess, I prepare a lot like

503
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: a target shooter. UM. But it just gives me confidence

504
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: in the deerwoods. So I got to talking about that. Um,

505
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: and uh, one guy mentioned you know, you know, check

506
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: check the way of the natural spin of your arrow

507
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: coming out of the shaft um as a bear shaft.

508
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: So what you do is you mark the top of

509
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 1: your arrow, you know, shoot at you know, three ft,

510
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: and then look at the target and see where that

511
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: mark on the top the arrows it to the left,

512
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: to the right. So for mine, my arrow naturally spins

513
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: without any fletching to the left. I was fletching to

514
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: the right. A lot of guys flesh to the right.

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00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 1: Not saying you need to switch to the left, but

516
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: what what that does? And and and it's been verified

517
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: in like super SloMo video, your arrow that wants to

518
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: go left will actually come out of the bow going left.

519
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: And then when you got that right uh that like

520
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: that right helical, it'll go back to the right. Okay,

521
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: so you're you're actually getting a reverse and and it

522
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: happens pretty quick. Now, there's been world record world record

523
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: shooters that shoot with a right fletch, which I'm sure

524
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Speaker 1: with our build, I think it's more of like a

525
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: right hand thing or the way your your your string

526
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: is twisted. But there's been world record set with guys

527
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: shooting the opposite of that. So what I found was,

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00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, well i'm gonna, I'm gonna. The

529
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: theory was I'm gonna I was getting some sort of knuckleball.

530
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: I was trying to minimize that kick. I wanted to

531
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: get the arrows spinning hard and fast. That makes sense,

532
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: so more of like I think, like a football spiral, right,

533
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: a football spiral kind of stabilizes in the wind and

534
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: it kind of stays tight. And I figured too after

535
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: talking with Tim, like you know, if I can get

536
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: that arrow spinning, even if it does kick, you can't

537
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: get rid of that kick in the cross wind, but

538
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: it will because it's spinning, it'll it'll go in line quicker.

539
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: So I wanted to verify it. So I fleshed up,

540
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: you know, four fletched with the with the left hicle,

541
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: four fletch with the right helicle, and then I did

542
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: the same video testing, and so I was shooting multiple

543
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: arrows down range with the same wind, you know, enough

544
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: to that I felt it made a difference. But what

545
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: I found was when I fletched with the left, because

546
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: my arrow naturally wanted to go there, I wasn't getting

547
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: that knuckleball down range, so that the kick was left

548
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: and it's and it brought back in line quicker. So

549
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: and it was very noticeable on video. Now that might

550
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: be five ft, it might be ten ft. It's kind

551
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: of hard to tell, you know, when it's downrange. But

552
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: it was happening faster because I was getting that that

553
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: harder spin quicker. It didn't have to reverse. Now, the

554
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: way that in my mind, the way that translated into

555
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: hunting is penetration is all about getting the back end

556
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: of your arrow in line with the front end of

557
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: your arrow. Right, that's that's what you want. It doesn't

558
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: matter how heavy your arrow is. If you're if you're

559
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: coming in and you've got wonky arrow flight and your

560
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: point hits you know the right, you're knocked to the left.

561
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 1: That's gonna eat up your penetration. You know, you can

562
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: get really good penetration of a light arrow if everything

563
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: is in line and that that forced the arrow is

564
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: coming right through the back end. So to me, that

565
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: was an improvement that I made, you know, and substantial

566
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: enough that I switched everything to um a four flatch

567
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: with a left hilticle. And then how did that translate

568
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: down range? Well, I started and you know, once I

569
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: did start getting some calm or weather, I started stretching

570
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: it out, and I noticed that my group started sucking

571
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: in even more. So I think I was getting less

572
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: wind drift. Now, um, you know, I I'm real because

573
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: I've been doing this for a few years. I know

574
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: what I was shooting last year at the three fletch

575
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: a little bit higher profile vain. And now you know,

576
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: I was able to compare those numbers on that sheet

577
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: with my grouping with the four flets with the left

578
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: hicle so in it, and it shrunk so again minimal.

579
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: That's at long distance at twenty thirty yards. You know,

580
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: the average guy, you know is not gonna see a

581
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: big difference. I'm not even gonna see a big difference

582
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: at twenty or thirty yards. But to me, it's an improvement.

583
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: And and I don't I don't know. I just all

584
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: year long, like when it's not hunting season, I'm in

585
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: what can I improve to increase my success in the

586
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: woods through archery, through staying in shape, through eating healthier,

587
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: through gear, you know, new gear, switching out gear, gear modifications,

588
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: anything like that to kind of make my system and

589
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: my um, make my system more uh, effective and conducive

590
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: to you know, helping me achieve success. But as far

591
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: as like the archery thing, like when I look at

592
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: a lot of my friends and some guys that are

593
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: just even just acquaintances, there's a couple of things I

594
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: think stand out like as to why maybe they're not

595
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: having the success that they want. And one of them,

596
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: by far, is is just your shooting on animals. And

597
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: I think it's something that is just you know, everybody

598
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: knows it's important, but it's just not prioritized high enough.

599
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: It's just not um And you know, guys are like, well,

600
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: you know, I could put it, you know in a

601
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: softball size at thirty yards or baseball size. I mean

602
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: that to me, that's that's not even close to being

603
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: as precise as I want to be in the nearwoods. Now,

604
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: would I be happy with a baseball size at at

605
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: thirty yards, you know, with a d sixty buck and

606
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: a cross wind while I'm while I'm you know, angling

607
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: down out of you know, a tree saddle or something

608
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, But that's why you try to why

609
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: I try to be so precise in the off season

610
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: and get that pinpoint accuracy so when I do get

611
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: those challenging shots. I know I'm gonna be off my

612
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: forms off. They've got the wind going adrenaline, your muscles

613
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: are more tense. I know my shot is not gonna

614
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: be perfect, but because my setup and everything is so

615
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: precise and the muscle memory that I built all year,

616
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: my miss is going to be less in an inch

617
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: or two inches at thirty yards on a big white tail,

618
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: especially if he's alert. Special if he drops, you know,

619
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: drops on the shot, that that could result in getting

620
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: an animal that you wouldn't have. So again, it's just

621
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: grabbing inches everywhere that you know are gonna kind of

622
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: help you succeed in the deer wood. So I'm just

623
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: kind of always looking for those little edges and angles,

624
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: all right. So first I want to thank our friends

625
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: at Vortex Optics, as I've been mentioning over the last

626
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: handful of weeks. I've been using a number of the

627
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: different products over the last year. Now and right about

628
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: now it's June, I'm gonna be busting out the spotting

629
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: scope to start doing some of my long distance observation

630
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: for white tails out in these bean fields. They're just

631
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: starting to come up. Those are my favorite things to

632
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: do last year. Um, there's a bean field across the

633
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: road from my house and you see lots of deer

634
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: out there. And so last year I got the Vortex

635
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: Viper HD spotting scope and I set it up on

636
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: my front porch and I got a phone scope for it,

637
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: so you can attach your phone to the spotting scope

638
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 1: and then see through it and record through it. And

639
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: it was just so much fun to have a spotting

640
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: scope set out there, to be able to see these

641
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: bucks up close, to get a little bit of cell

642
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: phone video. Um, just a lot of fun. Not to

643
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: mention if you've got somewhere you can hunt where you

644
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: can do this kind of thing, scout from a long distance,

645
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: you can learn a lot too, especially in the summer,

646
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: at least getting an inventory and the bucks available. Man

647
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: high quality spotting scope is a great tool. Had great

648
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: results of the Viper h D. And then I also

649
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: used the Razor HD on my Mexican Cuz deer hunt

650
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: and really enjoyed using that scope as well. So definitely

651
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: think those are options worth checking out, and you can

652
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: learn more at Vortex Optics dot com. Yes, you talked

653
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: about prioritization. This is a conversation that me and Dan

654
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: had a few weeks ago because we were talking about

655
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: how it's just like life feels like it's crazy. We

656
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: both have He's got like seven kids, I've got one,

657
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: and just seems like you're running around like crazy. There's

658
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: no time for anything. Business pulling you this way, family

659
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: pulling you that way. Um, it's really easy to come

660
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: up with excuses for why you couldn't shoot your boat,

661
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 1: or why you didn't get your exercise and for the day,

662
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: or whatever's on the archery side of things. How do

663
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: you fitted into your life, Because I know you've got

664
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: a whole lot going on, you're really busy to how

665
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: do you make this archery practice a part of your life?

666
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: How often does that happen? What does that look like

667
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 1: in your daily or weekly routine or whatever might be. Yeah,

668
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: in the wintertime when I really start hitting it hard, Um,

669
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of I keep things indoors, so I

670
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: might go down to the archery shop at lunch and shoot. Um.

671
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's usually too cold to shoot outside, like

672
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: in the morning or anything, but I might go down

673
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: there at my lunch or right after work or in

674
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: my basement. I have about fourteen yards I can set up,

675
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: so I have a bad bag target down there, and

676
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: I what I do during that time frame as I'm

677
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: just working on repetition, I'm working on shot execution, um

678
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: increasing maybe my pin float. You know, I watched the

679
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: pin on the target and see what it's doing, and

680
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: then I'll adjust my bow setup or stabilization depending on

681
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: what that's doing. That's a big one. We can talk

682
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: about that in a few too. But um So during

683
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: the those months, I'm shooting, you know, anywhere from four

684
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: to six days a week, but it might be a

685
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: very short session or it might be an hour. It

686
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: just depends. Um, as things get nicer outside, you know,

687
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: I I have, like I said, I have the bag

688
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: target in the basement. I got a couple hey bells

689
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: and a three D target behind the house. Um, and

690
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: then we go to I go to my buddy, our

691
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: buddy Tom's out there and Leslie has you know, the

692
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: big hundred yard grange there. So I mean I'm shooting

693
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: almost every day. But what I'll do is I'll get

694
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: up early for work. Um usually that's my gym time,

695
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: but sometimes I'll I'll get up early, like if it's

696
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: a you know, say I go to the gym five

697
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: days a week or something. You know, on those other days,

698
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: I'll get up early and go outside and shoot before work.

699
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: You know, it gets light earlier, so I can get it.

700
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: I can get a good hour and before I need

701
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: to be to work. So or it might be right

702
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: after work, or it might be that last thirty minutes

703
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: a day daylight after you know, every he's in kind

704
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: of ready for bed and you know it's it's it's

705
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: and you still got thirty minutes stuff a few yearls.

706
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: So I try to fit something in almost every day.

707
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: I'm not perfect. I don't get it every day, but

708
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: you know I would say I'm five days a week

709
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: doing something, and I try to mix in you know,

710
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: a handful of arrows sessions, just try to make everything perfect,

711
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: five perfect shots with some more longer sessions. And those

712
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: are the ones where I might be trying to find

713
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: my marks or it might be testing things against each other. Um.

714
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: So that's kind of year round. I love archery. I've

715
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: told you this. I love archery, um nearly as much

716
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: as hunting. I really do enjoy shooting. Um So, I

717
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: mean it's not work for me, it's not hard, and

718
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: I do prioritize it, but it's something that I like.

719
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: It's almost like a like a stress for lever, like

720
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: meditation time for me too. I've heard a lot of

721
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: people say that. I mean, there's a certain level of

722
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: zen that is required with archery, Like you have to

723
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: be fully consumed in the moment by it, and it

724
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: keeps your mind off everything else. I think there's some

725
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: there's something really mm hmm, that's the right way of described.

726
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's powerful or restorative or something,

727
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: but when you're able to do something that fully consumes

728
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: you and you're able to lose sight of everything else

729
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: for half hour or an hour or something, whether it

730
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: be like archery or another. Thing for me is like

731
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: fly fishing. When I'm fly fishing and I'm so in

732
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: the moment of every little thing, all of a sudden

733
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: four hours past, I'm like whoa, and like you come

734
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: out of that, like really refreshed in a certain way.

735
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: So I get that. Um yeah, I totally get that too.

736
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: With with with archery, it's one of the only times

737
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: I can sit there and do something and whatever stresses

738
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: at home or at work or you know, behind me,

739
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: I just it's like it disappears, you know. But then

740
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 1: you know, usually I get a text of someone complaining

741
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: about something and it's brought right back to reality. But

742
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's one of the only things that you know,

743
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: even when I'm hunting, like, I'll be sitting there and

744
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 1: I'll sometimes think about that stuff. But with Archer, I don't.

745
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned the phone. I've actually just been

746
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: thinking about this very thing over the last couple of

747
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: weeks as I've tried to get better with my Archer

748
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: stuff going on, and I've started to try to take

749
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: advantage of that like zen quality and allowing myself the

750
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: space to do that by leaving my phone. So I'm

751
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: actually purposely leaving my phone in the barn so that

752
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: I don't get that distraction, because I'm like saying myself,

753
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: I need this like half hour with nothing else, no thoughts,

754
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: no nothing. So I leave the phone put on silence

755
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: i can't hear it, and then I get out back

756
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: behind the house and do my shooting. And I found

757
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: more and more like I'm becoming more and more aware

758
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: of what like a ball and chain my phone is,

759
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: and how like addicted I am to like checking it

760
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: for no reason at all, and like I don't know.

761
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: More and more I'm finding like that I need to

762
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: just keep it away from me to really have the

763
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: space and like presence of mind to be the best father.

764
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: I can be the best shooter, I can be you,

765
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: or the best right or whatever it is. I'm working

766
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: on finding more and more that you've got put on silent,

767
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: put it away for a couple of hours. Um, that's

768
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: totally not here or there. But well, no, I agree.

769
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: You know, I find myself to getting a little too

770
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 1: attach to that thing sometimes sometimes like it won't even

771
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: buzz and I'll still look at it. Yeah, you know

772
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's almost like a habit. But there's

773
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: really funny quick story. I was up north a few

774
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: years ago and we were canoeing on the our kayaking

775
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: on the Pine River, which is one of Michigan's fastest rivers,

776
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: and um, you know, I'm pretty experienced kayaker, so one

777
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: that big a deal. But I opened my dry box.

778
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: Were coming around this corner there was this big cool dune.

779
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, what a neat picture. So

780
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: I get my phone out and I snap a picture

781
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: while this river is moving fast and starts sucking me

782
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: into this like outside turn, and there's all these like

783
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: uh pine trees that with like overhanging branches that were

784
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: like sticking out into the river. And I was like,

785
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: oh crap, you know, trying to get everything back in

786
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: the dry box real quick, and I shut it, but

787
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: I didn't lock it, and I got sucked under the

788
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: bank there, and all those branches like kind of hit

789
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: me in the face. And I leaned away, which is

790
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: not you're supposed to lean towards it. I leaned away,

791
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: dumped the kayak, lost my oars, lost my phone, lost

792
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: my camera. Gone. But I was up up north for

793
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: the next I don't know, four or five days. And

794
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: it was funny, like I was bummed about the phone,

795
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: but like it was such a relief, or not a relief.

796
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: It felt so good not to have the phone, Like

797
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: I felt completely fine. In fact, I felt better without it.

798
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't worry about anything else. I just

799
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: had fun. I enjoyed, you know, doing what you're doing.

800
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't sour for a minute. Other than

801
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: that that initial thought of losing my phone. It was

802
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: like it felt really good. So I've been trying to

803
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: do that to set my phone down and try to

804
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: get away from it, and it's a it's a it

805
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: definitely can suck in. Ye, I'm thinking about doing something

806
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: like that during hunting season because I've got a weird thing.

807
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: A lot of people are on their phones other hunt

808
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: and I do that too. When you get you know,

809
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: nothing's going on for handful for however long you pull

810
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: up your phone and look at Instagram or something. Now,

811
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: I feel a certain obligation to have my phone because

812
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: a lot of my work is like supposed to be

813
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: documenting my hunts and stuff. So does the need to

814
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: have my phone for that. But I think this year

815
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: I want to try to implement some kind of mandatory

816
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: like phone away time for like the majority of my hunt.

817
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: So maybe I'm gonna I haven't quite thought this through,

818
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: but you know, okay, the first ten minutes when I

819
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: get there, I can do a bunch of documentation, and

820
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: then maybe like one other time, in the middle of

821
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: the hunt, I'll do a bunch of stuff. Otherwise I

822
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: will put my phone like in a different pocket in

823
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: my backpack where I can't easily get it. So just

824
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 1: like I don't do like the impulse grabbing looks throughout

825
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: the hunt. I think that would just I think probably

826
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: lead to a more enjoyable experience and better hunt. So

827
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: you're not as distracting stuff. But we're way off topic.

828
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: What I was gonna ask you about the next was

829
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: she talked about these two different kinds of practice sessions.

830
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: She talked about like the five perfect arrows, and they

831
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: talked about the longer hour long. UM, talk to me

832
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: about what you're actually doing during that time period, because

833
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times when we think about

834
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: getting a practice in, we'll just I don't know, just

835
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: people just go shoot for however much time they have,

836
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: and then they go back and they're not really thinking

837
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: about what they're doing. UM. But a lot of studies

838
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: have shown and even we had this conversation with Brad

839
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: staubert Um, the author of a book called Peak Performance,

840
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: and he had a section within that book where they

841
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: talked about there's this concept that was popularized UM by

842
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: Malcolm Gladwell in a book a long time ago called

843
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: this ten tho hours principal. You've heard about that. Basically,

844
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: the gist is that research is supposedly shown that it

845
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: requires something like ten tho hours of practice to become

846
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: an expert or to become elite in some kind of field. Um.

847
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 1: But the key thing there that was often not mentioned

848
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: within that but was tied to the original study was

849
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: that it's not just any kind of practice. That's what

850
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: they called deliberate practice. And it's a really really big

851
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: difference between just going out there and doing something versus

852
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: this deliver practice. And how they described deliberate practice was

853
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: something that was very, um, very thoughtful of what you're

854
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: doing and why you're doing it, and working towards some

855
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: specific goal or some specific thing you're trying to work on.

856
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: So you know, if if you're a basketball player, just

857
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: going out there and stooding hoops isn't deliberate practice, that's

858
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: maybe just a little practice. Deliberate practice might be going

859
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: into and saying, Okay, for the next half hour, I'm

860
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: going to focus specifically on my free throw form and

861
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: really focus on getting good follow through and then they

862
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: hammer that home for a half hour. That kind of stuff.

863
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: So do you is your practice deliberate in some kind

864
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: of way? Um? Or what what does that look like

865
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: for you? Yeah? I call it practicing with practicing with

866
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 1: a purpose. So I just um actually did a podcast

867
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: with a friend not long ago, and and and we

868
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: were kind of talking about this. But yeah, it for me,

869
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: it's it's not about it's not a I do enjoy archery,

870
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: and sometimes I will go out with my buddies, like

871
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: when we were shooting back out here, I wasn't necessarily

872
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: working on anything. I was just enjoying company, flinging a fewers.

873
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: But when I'm on my own, it's almost never like that.

874
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: It's always I'm always testing or trying to improve on something.

875
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: Um So, like for instance, when I'm doing my indoor

876
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: stuff or in the basement, a lot of times I'm

877
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: working on my shot execution. And we talked about some

878
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: drills before, you know, and some of the drills that

879
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: I like to do are you know, drawback close my eyes,

880
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: you know, real close to the to the bail, so

881
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: you don't worry about missing. I closed my eyes and

882
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: I just focus on pulling through the shot. Okay. I

883
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: try to relax all my muscles, my hand, my shoulders, everything,

884
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: and then when I'm ready to activate that shot execution,

885
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: I start pulling straight back. I kind of focus on

886
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: pulling my elbow straight back, and I'm just trying to

887
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: ingrain that shot execution so that it's I don't ever

888
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: have to think about it. It's just automatic. It's not

889
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: it's not something that um you know, is ever going

890
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: to cause me an issue in the deer woods. So

891
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: I even though I've I feel like I've mastered that

892
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: shot execution, I still work on it because I I've

893
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: been on the other end of, you know, with target

894
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: panic and drive by shooting and punching the trigger, and

895
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to go back to that um

896
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: and then or sometimes I'll work on I'll go out

897
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: on a practice session and I'm working on my pin flow.

898
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: And what that is is I'm drawing back and I'm

899
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: focusing and let my breast settle. I'm relaxing my hand,

900
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: my shoulders, you know, trying to get you know, no

901
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: muscle involvement. You want at least muscle involvement as possible.

902
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: And I'll just see what my pin does. Now, is

903
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: my pin going left to right kind of in a

904
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: in a figure eight if that, If it's doing that,

905
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: then I add weight to my stabilizer out front that

906
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: that minimizes the left to right. Okay. And I got

907
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: a lot of this information from pro shooters and just

908
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: talking with guys that I've kind of went down this road.

909
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: So if your pins doing that, you and add some

910
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: weight out front. It's it's kind of like, you know,

911
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: imagine holding a golf club. You hold it by the

912
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: head and you can whip that that handle real fast.

913
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: But you hold it by the handle and you try

914
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: to whip the head where the weight is, it's like harder, right,

915
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: move slower, so I can slow your your horizontal pin

916
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: movement down. So maybe your pin is what I have

917
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: trouble with is my pin likes to drop, so I'll

918
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: be it'll it'll be there on the bull's eye and

919
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: drop out and bring it back up and drop out.

920
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: So on mine with the Matthews bow, and you shoot

921
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 1: a Matthews. Matthews bows have a lower grip in the system.

922
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: They tend to be a little bit top heavy, so uh,

923
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: they stabilize really well with some some weight below the handle.

924
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: So I run a rear bar um so if my

925
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: my pin is going low and dropping out, I add

926
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: weight to the rear bar and what that does is

927
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: it helps keep the pin up. So it's just you know,

928
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: you're adding weight to the back holding your pin up

929
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: opposite if it's you know, if your pins going up,

930
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: you know, up out of the target, you would want

931
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: to add weight to the front or take weight off

932
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: the bathroom river. So I what I do and what

933
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: I'm what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to

934
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: get a bow set up where my pin just wants

935
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: to sit there. It's like perfectly balanced. When I draw

936
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 1: back and I settled my pin, I come to anchor

937
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: and I settle that it just wants to sit there.

938
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: And that's not to say it's not moving. It is,

939
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: but it's minimal. Um. And when we were up at

940
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: UM the Total Archer Challenge, my buddy, uh, he was

941
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: having something. He shoots the Matthews too. He has a

942
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: just a straightforward stabilizer, which is fine. You can definitely

943
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: use that for hunting and shoot really good. I know

944
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: people that do it. It's just the Matthews bows I

945
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: think tend to like a little bit of you know,

946
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: weight below the handle, just the way they're built. Um.

947
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 1: But anyway, he was he was complaining that he couldn't

948
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: hold his pin steady, and we just kind of got

949
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: to talking about this a little bit. And so you

950
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: know when I'm trying to improve my pinfall. That's what

951
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I'm tinkering with stabilization, and every bow is different.

952
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: My traverse is a little different than the tracks that

953
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: I had. You know, the verdicts might be a little

954
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: different than the hall on thirty two. And well, what

955
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: I'm what I'm trying to do is just get that

956
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: pin to kind of sit there. I don't want to

957
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: fight the pin. I want the pin to sit there.

958
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: And if it's moving a little bit, that's fine, but

959
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: I want it right on the spot. You know. If

960
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: it's going like this and jittery and I'm fighting, and

961
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: I feel like that's that's the type of pin movement

962
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: that creates anxiety anticipation. So you can imagine your aiming

963
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: at a you know, a mule deer buck foam target

964
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: at the Total Archery challenge out there that's a hundred

965
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: yards and your pins, you know, dancing all over the place.

966
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: It's above the back, it's below the body, it's actually

967
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: coming off the animal. What's that gonna do. It's gonna

968
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: make you want to you know, time that shot. Okay,

969
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: all right, it's it's on the deer, it's off the deer.

970
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: It's on the deer boom. You know, that's how target

971
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: panic starts. So you'd be much better off even with

972
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: all that movement if you just let the pin move

973
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: and you just executed your shot no matter what the

974
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: pin was doing. In fact, you'd be better off if

975
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: you just stared at the spot you wanted to hit.

976
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: It didn't even care where the pin was. If you

977
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: just stared at that spot and executed that pins always

978
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: coming back, So you would be much better off. But

979
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: to take it to the next level with stabilization, I'm

980
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: trying to minimize that movement. So I couldn't live with

981
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: the pin dancing all over the target like that, on

982
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: and off. You know. I wanted to stay in that

983
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: vital more of like a slow kind of steady movement.

984
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: But it's it's it's there, it's not moving, so um.

985
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: You know that's when I you know, that's why I

986
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: run a rear bar. Now. You know, if you're hunting

987
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: elk in Colorado, you know, maybe you know, maybe you

988
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: don't want to carry all that weight. Your shots are

989
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: gonna be thirty yards and in you're you know, you're

990
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: you know, thick blowdown country in Colorado or something. You know,

991
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: maybe you don't want to carry all that weight. You

992
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: could take it off. I shoot fine without it. I

993
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,479
Speaker 1: don't shoot as good long distance. Um, I don't shoot

994
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 1: as good close distance either, but it's much less noticeable

995
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: forty yards and in. You know, you might be just

996
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: just guessing. If I took that rear buar off and

997
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: I shot a group at thirty yards, you know, they're

998
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: they're all going to be right there. But when that's

999
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: on there and that pin is just steady, I mean,

1000
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: they're slapping them busting arrows. So you know, it might

1001
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: be a little overkill for your typical, you know, tree

1002
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: standing guy. But I also shoot a heavier bow better

1003
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: when I'm nervous, when the adrenaline is pumping that little

1004
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 1: extra weight. Um. I think that's why I gravitate towards

1005
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: the Matthews bows too. They're just they're a little out

1006
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: on the heavier side, but I shoot him better and

1007
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: they kind of resist that movement and that shakiness. And

1008
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: and then when I add that stabilization and that balance

1009
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: helps it even more. So everything is real calm, even

1010
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: when the adrenaline is pumping and I'm you know, at

1011
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: full drawn a big buck. It's moving, and it's definitely

1012
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: moving more than when I'm shooting in the backyard. But

1013
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: it's very manageable. I don't feel that anxiety or anticipation

1014
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: to make it go. I just run my shot execution

1015
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: and the arrow, you know, hits behind the pin. And

1016
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: that's another thing too, Like, you know, I want my bow.

1017
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: I want a bow that I relate with well meaning.

1018
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: Um I like, I love archery, so I love bows.

1019
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: I love you know, you know, getting a bow tech

1020
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: and setting it up, and you know, a lot of

1021
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 1: times I'll buy bows use more more of the fact

1022
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: that I'm interested in the camp system and the tuning

1023
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 1: of it and how it shoots. And some of my buddies,

1024
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, have some of these bowls and they've had

1025
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: me work on them and stuff, so I like to

1026
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: do that. I'll sometimes buy them and then I'll sell them,

1027
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: or sometimes i'll you know, uh, you know, sell them

1028
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: to a buddy or trade them or whatever. Um Like.

1029
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: I get some enjoyment out of that, but I want

1030
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: a bow that just that fits me perfect. And then

1031
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: I've went to some other brands and stuff, and it's

1032
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: just like I just you know, when I say I

1033
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: want a bullet hits behind the pin, Like I can

1034
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: be at eight yards and see that pin on the

1035
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: target and it's floating and I the shot breaks and

1036
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: I could just tell, like what the shot broke? My

1037
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: pin was two inches left of the mark and I

1038
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: and I know that's where the arrow is going to be.

1039
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: But I've had some bowls where I do that and

1040
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: it looks like it's right on the bull's eye. When

1041
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:14,919
Speaker 1: the shot breaks, boom and I go up there, it's

1042
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: like three inches of left, and I'm like, what the hell?

1043
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: But I think you could become more in tune with that.

1044
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: The more you shoot, the more you tinker with this stuff.

1045
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: But you know, I want a bow that hits behind

1046
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: the pin where that pin is at, and I execute

1047
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: the shot, it's it's there. Or let's say I do

1048
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: make a bad shot. Let's say I'm at full draw

1049
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, man, I I kind of rushed

1050
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: through that shot, or you know, or you know whatever,

1051
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: I rushed through it, or I pulled a little harder.

1052
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't. I was increasing my my back

1053
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: tension and it didn't go when I wanted to. It

1054
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: just it just didn't flow. Well, I want a bowl

1055
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 1: that I'm still gonna go up there and it's gonna

1056
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: be boom right there in the group, you know. And

1057
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: there's some bows that do that for me and some

1058
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: bows that just don't. And the reason and the way

1059
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: I know that is because I'm I guess I'm so

1060
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: you know, uh specific on like writing down like my

1061
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: group size and my testing and stuff like that. So

1062
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, some of the older bows that I had,

1063
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: like hoits and bo tex and stuff like, I did

1064
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: all a lot of the same stuff, and I'm I'm

1065
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: where I'm at now because it's the best that I

1066
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: found for me, you know. And that might not be

1067
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: the bow for the next guy, um, but you know,

1068
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: that's the I guess. That's kind of the level of

1069
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: the you know, preparation that that I like to do.

1070
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: And it comes back back to another one of those

1071
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: principles of like deliver practices that not only should you

1072
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: have a purpose with your practice, but I also remember

1073
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: reading about the importance of quantifying your success with that

1074
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: practice to finding some way to measure didn't make progress.

1075
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: And you've mentioned over and over different ways you're trying

1076
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 1: to measure things measure what progress you made, measure the improvement.

1077
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: Measure how well or how are or how worse made

1078
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: you've got in certain things. And I think that has

1079
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: allowed you to find two and keep getting better and

1080
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: better and better. And that's a great That's something I

1081
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: do not do a good job of it all. When

1082
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: it comes to my archery. I'm just out there flaying

1083
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: them and hoping them like do I feel like better

1084
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: about today? I'll come in and wife, Well, how to

1085
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: go like, oh, it's a good day some days like

1086
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: son of a bit. Um. So that's how I measure

1087
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: successes in the first words I say when I come

1088
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 1: back in the house. But that's probably not the best

1089
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: way to do it. Um. So you're going out there

1090
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: with a purpose. You're each time you're going out there

1091
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: from these sessions, you're thinking about something you're trying to improve. Usually,

1092
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: is there like a typical time frame that you like,

1093
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: is there something? Is it just whatever time you have

1094
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 1: or do you feel like there's value to making sure

1095
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:37,919
Speaker 1: that a couple of times a week you do spend

1096
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 1: an hour because that really builds up your muscle member

1097
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: or something, or is there value? And yeah, I don't

1098
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: know anything like that that you think about or or not.

1099
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, those longer those longer sessions

1100
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: are important. I feel like the five errol thing, you know,

1101
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: make you go out there and try to make five

1102
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: perfect shots. That's more of like a you're just checking

1103
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: the status right, You're making sure like okay, boom, I

1104
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 1: got it. You know my form is good. I'm gonna

1105
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: put all the pressure on this first arrow. This is

1106
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: my one shot at you know that big white tail,

1107
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: you know whatever range, and you you know, you put

1108
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: it right where it needs to be. That's a good feeling.

1109
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: You like, you're you don't need ten shots to warm up.

1110
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,959
Speaker 1: You're you're there, You're ready. So I use those short

1111
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: ones more of like a just a check, you know,

1112
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: like a system check. Those longer sessions, whether it's half hour,

1113
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 1: an hour or two hours or whatever, those are when

1114
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: I try to work on things and you know a

1115
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: couple of things we already talked about, or it might

1116
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: be just you know, getting your site marks. Um. You know,

1117
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: some of those longer distance things, it does take some

1118
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: time to kind of get accurate site marks. And you know,

1119
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not shooting a hundred yards because I

1120
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: want to shoot at a deer at a hundred yards.

1121
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: It's just for me that longer practice. When I start

1122
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: shooting at that distance, like my hundred yard groups start

1123
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: looking like my old forty yard groups, you know, after

1124
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: a while, And anybody could do that going through you know,

1125
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: some of the same set up, you know, processes that

1126
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: that guys do. But um, it just gives me so

1127
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: much more confidence at those shots that we take at

1128
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: deer in the deerwoods, you know what I mean. It

1129
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: feels they feel like gimmes, you know, And they didn't

1130
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: used to feel like gimmes to me. They used to

1131
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: feel like this could go either way, you know, and

1132
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: it really uh and it reflected like that. I think

1133
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: I was lucky. I did have some a few seasons

1134
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: where I was struggling with target panics so bad, and

1135
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: I did lost multiple animals, but I it came on quick,

1136
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: and I I realized it quick, and I did what

1137
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: I needed to do to fix it quick. So I

1138
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: had a short window where it was causing me big problems.

1139
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: Now the beginning of you know, my archery hunting, I

1140
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: wasn't executing the shot the way I am now, and

1141
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't making perfect shots by any means all the time,

1142
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: but I didn't have target panic. I was making kill

1143
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: you know, kill shots. Maybe not perfect, but um, you

1144
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: know it wasn't. It wasn't at the level there are

1145
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: the comfortable the way I feel comfortable with it now,

1146
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: But there was that that short window where what I

1147
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: was what I was really struggling. And I think a

1148
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: lot of guys that kind of end up going this

1149
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: route went through a similar period. You talked to a

1150
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: lot of the pro archers. Look, a lot of them

1151
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: went through a period like this. They love archery, they

1152
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,439
Speaker 1: love it so much, and they start going to yards

1153
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: or whatever, and their pins dancing all over the place,

1154
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: and they start punching the trigger because their anxiety levels high.

1155
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: So a lot of you've talked to a lot of

1156
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,959
Speaker 1: these guys, they have the same sort of story, you know. So,

1157
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: so you mentioned this way one way to improve your

1158
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: confidence and just everything at actual shooting ranges in the

1159
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: field is to stretch it out in practice. So take

1160
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: these really long shots, get good at long shots when

1161
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: you're in your practice sessions, so that thirty and forty

1162
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: yards feels like a gimme. Actually, how they're in the field. Um,

1163
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: are there any other ways you put stress on your

1164
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: situation and practice? So this is something we talked about

1165
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: with David Wise, is he's always trying to find ways

1166
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: to stress his system to practice. I think he called

1167
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: like practicing at the fringes. So even as like a

1168
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: half pipe skier, he would try to practice with the

1169
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 1: worst case scenarios so that when he was actually out there,

1170
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: you know, uh in you know, in the big stage,

1171
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: on the big stage, no possible scenario could surprise him.

1172
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: So do you do anything? I know something you know

1173
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: people talk about within our world is trying to shoot

1174
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: at different positions, stuff like that. Um, anything along those

1175
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: lines you do to change things up in your practice. Yeah. Absolutely,

1176
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: So all this stuff that I've been talking about so

1177
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: far is pretty much in the backyard calm, wind, perfect,

1178
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: you know, your feet on even ground. You know what

1179
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do is I'm trying to narrow down

1180
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: my setup to get the most accurate for giving um

1181
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: set up that I can get that I'm most confident. Yeah.

1182
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: Once I once i know I'm gonna roll with something,

1183
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: then I kind of switched modes to like okay, now

1184
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: it's time to prepare for hunting, you know. And that's

1185
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: when I mean, when's the last time you shot a

1186
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: deer standing on flat ground, you know, with no wind

1187
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: from ground level like never? So um, so that's when

1188
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: I start to do some other things like so for instance,

1189
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: like you know, when I went on my antelope, I

1190
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: knew my shots were gonna be the animal upon a

1191
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: few years ago. I knew my shots are gonna be long,

1192
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: and I knew I was probably gonna be on my knees.

1193
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: So I practiced a ton on my knees at you know,

1194
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: a hundred yards, hundred ten yards, you know, hoping that

1195
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: that seventy yard eight yard shot that I was probably

1196
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: gonna get was gonna be I feel easy, you know.

1197
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: So that's how I prepared for that one. Or you know,

1198
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: um a lot of times, you know, I switched nearly

1199
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: all my shooting out of you know, especially when I

1200
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: started using the saddle more or even even when I

1201
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: used the tree stand a lot more angled shots um

1202
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: coming out of trees, you know. Uh, just to I

1203
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: practice a ton on flat ground. Now it's time to

1204
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: switch modes and start to practice real life shooting scenarios.

1205
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: Because I can't shoot the same groups I can at

1206
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: eight um you know standing on a tree stand angled

1207
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: down that I can on flat ground, you know, with

1208
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: no winds. So now it's trying to starting to kind

1209
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: of um work on that stuff so that you know

1210
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: what you can get away with. You know where your

1211
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: you know extremes are where, you know where where you

1212
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: should kind of keep your comfort level. Um, if I

1213
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: am shooting out back on flat ground, like a lot

1214
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: of times, I'll have like these old um tree stumps

1215
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: are logs that we cut, and I'll put one foot up,

1216
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: you know, and shoot like that. So you know when

1217
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: I when I shot um my mule deer last year,

1218
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: that's how well I was. Like my my back foot

1219
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: was you know, like two ft higher than my bottom foot.

1220
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: You know. So just things like that kind of that

1221
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: kind of alter your balance and it you know, when

1222
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: your form is is really solid and ingrained, you know

1223
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: what you doesn't really matter what your lower bodies doing.

1224
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: You try to keep from the waist up that same.

1225
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: That's my goal is trying to keep that waiste up

1226
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: form the same no matter what I'm doing. And there's

1227
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: some severe things, severe angles from a tree stand, like

1228
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: straight down. Um, you know, there's definitely certain situations where

1229
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: that's that's going to be compromised some So you have

1230
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: to practice those shots, those really awkward you know, those

1231
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: those really tough shots. You do have to practice them

1232
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: to see where your arrow hits and how you perform,

1233
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: and um, those are really important. So what you talked

1234
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: about summer routine. As I get towards when I say,

1235
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: you know, I want to kind of peek at the

1236
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,439
Speaker 1: you know, right at the beginning of hunting season, that's

1237
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: when I start really working on that stuff, this stuff

1238
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: testing arrows, you know, ingraining, shot execution, all that stuff

1239
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: is gone. We've we've found something we're gonna run with.

1240
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: So now we're switching to hunting mode. And what time

1241
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: of years that like, are you saying the last couple

1242
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: of weeks before hunting season, the last month, last two months? Like,

1243
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: when do you really like to be focusing on that

1244
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: part of your UM? I would like I would want

1245
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: to be doing that kind of stuff at least a

1246
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: month before my first hunt, you know, so you know,

1247
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: just really kind of switch gears. That's when I switched

1248
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: to broadheads. I'm shooting all my my my shots with broadheads.

1249
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: All your shots are broadheads the last month. Yeah, I

1250
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: mean I might, I might throw if you know, like

1251
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: let's I'm not gonna like, you know, burn through packs

1252
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: and packs of them. But yeah, i'll shoot. You know,

1253
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: I might shoot three broadheads and one field point or

1254
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: something like that in a group or something like that,

1255
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But the majority, I want

1256
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: to make sure those broadheads or whatever you know, is

1257
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: working well with my system, that they're flying well. I

1258
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: want to know what they're doing in the wind, or

1259
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,479
Speaker 1: they drifted more than my field points, because that's something

1260
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,439
Speaker 1: you need to know, especially if you're gonna be hunting

1261
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: out west. You know, it's not uncommon to have a

1262
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: sixty eight yard shot. It's it's just not And you know,

1263
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: if you want to increase your chance of success, you know,

1264
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: you can prepare for you know, that type of range

1265
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: and be you know, really deadly. But you those are

1266
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: things you need to know. You put a broad out

1267
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: of the front, you're gonna get more, you know, more

1268
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: arrow drifts. So another thing that the total archer challenge

1269
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: to like, when you shoot a lot, you you start

1270
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: to see and you understand, like what your trajectory is

1271
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: doing right. So there were some shots where you know,

1272
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: we see you know, a betted MULEI but you know,

1273
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: maybe sixty yards out there's a tree that's covering the vitals,

1274
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: like there was a there's one in particular, and thinking

1275
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: there was a bent over tree, it was right where

1276
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: you want to hit your arrow. So what I did

1277
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: was I ranged the tree and then I ranged the

1278
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: mule's head. The mule it was like an eighty seven.

1279
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: So we're all looking at like, oh man, like where

1280
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: do we hit? We can like you could aim at

1281
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: the butt and just hit foam. That would be the

1282
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: safe play. But so because I because I could range

1283
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: the sixty and then I could range you know, the

1284
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: seven on the mulee. I knew just from shooting so

1285
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: much that I know my trajectory is going to miss that.

1286
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: So someone that doesn't shoot as much might not they

1287
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: might not take that shot, you know, you know, or whatever.

1288
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: But I knew, and you know a lot of the

1289
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: guys are with our our experience shooters too, and they

1290
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: did the same thing. I would put the pin right

1291
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: on the tree and just sailed right over, dropped right

1292
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: into the vibe. So those are things that you know

1293
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: little things that you know may or may not ever

1294
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: happen in the woods. But I guess, like you were saying,

1295
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, practice and the fringes. I like to prepare

1296
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: for all possibilities, you know what I mean. Like if

1297
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: if there's if there's a a bowl of a lifetime

1298
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: in Colorado and there's a little tiny hole to squeeze

1299
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: it through, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna wish it through.

1300
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: I want to know that it's going to go through there.

1301
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: But if I know it will if I execute a

1302
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: good shot, I want to have the confidence to take

1303
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: that shot, you know what I mean. I'm not gonna

1304
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna roll the dice and be like, I'm

1305
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: not sure if that's the case, I'm not taking the shot.

1306
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: But if it's possible, I want to have the confidence

1307
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: to do it. Man, it seems like it seems like

1308
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: the way to do that is to have the kind

1309
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: of system in place. I mean, it makes a lot

1310
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: of sense. It works for me, um And like I said,

1311
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: the system has morphed. It might be different five years

1312
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: from now if we come again, but it works for me.

1313
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this is what people should do

1314
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm definitely not saying that. It's just what

1315
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: I do. You know what I mean Now, does this

1316
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: level of attention to minutia and preparing for the fringes

1317
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: and everything that you apply with your archery preparation in

1318
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: the summer, does that translate to other things you're doing

1319
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: in the field preparing? So yeah, answer me that, Yeah totally. So,

1320
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, I take the same I feel like I

1321
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: take the same type of thought process and preparing for

1322
01:05:56,360 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: the hunting season um as I do with with this,

1323
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: the same same type of system. Um. You know, I'm

1324
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: always trying to find that next book. I'm always trying

1325
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: to fine tune setups. I'm always trying to find new

1326
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: setups in new areas, scout new ground, try you know. Basically,

1327
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: the way I always explain it is I try to

1328
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: over prepare so the chances of my of me not

1329
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: succeeding or almost zero, Like I would have to be

1330
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: really unlucky to not have some success. So I try

1331
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: to over prepare, do things. You know, to me, it's

1332
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: not to me, it's not over preparing or overboard, It's

1333
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: just what I do. But when I when I kind

1334
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: of look at you know, other people. UM. And I'm

1335
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: sure there's people out there that prepare more than me. UM.

1336
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: But it's just what I do, and to me, it

1337
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 1: just it's just feels what I need to do. It's

1338
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 1: what I enjoy to do or enjoy enjoy doing, so

1339
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: I make the time to do it. Now. It's a

1340
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 1: lot less than what it used to be so um,

1341
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: you know, before before kids and everything. But I still

1342
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: prioritize that time. I try to do it in bursts,

1343
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: like I spent a lot of time as soon as

1344
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: that snow melted. Um, I spent a lot of time.

1345
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: I got a lot of scout again. Then UM, I

1346
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: went down to Iowa in preparation for this hunt. UM

1347
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: scouted two or three new pieces of public all the

1348
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: places that uh, you know, all the places we were

1349
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: already familiar with, you know, got all the trees marked,

1350
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 1: all the access we I mean, we put on so

1351
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: many miles in just a couple of days in preparation

1352
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: for this hunt coming up. You know, I'm going during

1353
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: the rut. I want to see the rut sign so

1354
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: I wouldn't feel like I did what I needed to

1355
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: do if I just showed up. I know I could

1356
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: do that and still kill something. But it's just I,

1357
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: like I said, I want to be prepared and that's

1358
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: a big hunt to me. It's important. I've waited years

1359
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 1: for the tag. It's expensive. I want to do what

1360
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: I need to do that will, you know, increase my

1361
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: chance to success the most. So so when the was

1362
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: a scouting I know that you take scouting really seriously. Um,

1363
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: you constantly are helping me scout more simply better. Fact,

1364
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: I know you're out there scouting and I'm not. It

1365
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 1: might feel bad about it, so it gets me off

1366
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: my ascid in the woods. Um, but you mentioned that

1367
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,759
Speaker 1: snow melt time period. Right snow comes off, it's probably

1368
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: the very best time year to be able to see

1369
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: signed from the year before and and nothing's greened up yet.

1370
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: But now it's June when we're talking right now, What

1371
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: if someone just now is like realizing, oh crap, I

1372
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,759
Speaker 1: really do need to get out and do some scouting.

1373
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: What is there anything they can accomplish during the summer?

1374
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: What are you doing still now during the summer everything

1375
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: is green and full. What can you actually accomplish now?

1376
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: This is because you know, with you know, a growing

1377
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: family and all that stuff. When I said, I had

1378
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: to cut some things down. Basically, what I did was

1379
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 1: where I used to scout. You know, if you if

1380
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: you saw me twenty two, you know, thirty two those years,

1381
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: I was literally I was in the woods trying to

1382
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 1: learn about deer five or six days a week. I

1383
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: would literally go right from work and scout, and I

1384
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: would do that just about until it was dark. And

1385
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: it's just I was completely enthralled in it. It's all

1386
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to do. UM. And you know, I think

1387
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: that kind of created a basis for a lot of um.

1388
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: You know what I do now and what I've learned.

1389
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:36,640
Speaker 1: But now that I'm a little busier, UM, I have

1390
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: I kind of set specific time frames. So you know,

1391
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: in the winter months, when there's snow, like I said,

1392
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: I focus on the indoor shooting stuff. I will scout

1393
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: some then too, because I do like to see like

1394
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: winter habitat, what the deer doing. I look for trails

1395
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: in the snow. Okay like that, you know this could

1396
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: potentially be um uh you know, uh, if we get

1397
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: snow during that late season, this skipped actually be a

1398
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: good area. I'm looking for tracks of deer, um, mature buck,

1399
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 1: tracks of maybe deer that survived, um, that sort of thing.

1400
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: So then, like I said that, when that snow melt,

1401
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 1: that's when I get in a bunch of my scouting

1402
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 1: and I try to scout every area that I do

1403
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: hunt and throwing a handful of new potential areas. And

1404
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to that's more I'm looking for a

1405
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: rut sign. I am looking for like buck beds and

1406
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: that sort of thing too. I'm always looking for that.

1407
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 1: But um, just everything is so visible then, so then

1408
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: get out of that, you get starting. Um, like you know,

1409
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 1: May June July. You know, I kind of focused. I

1410
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: focus more on the turkey side of things. I think

1411
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: during that time. Um, you know, I don't I don't

1412
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 1: turkey hunt a whole terribly lot, but I really do

1413
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: enjoy it. Um. So I think right now, this timeframe,

1414
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: right now, that kind of May June July, I probably

1415
01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: make another switch. But at that time I probably scout well,

1416
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: I know, I scout quite a bit less. And that's

1417
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,719
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of focus that time more with family,

1418
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: do a little turkey hunting with the kids. Um, you know,

1419
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: do definitely get my archery in there, but it's kind

1420
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: of a slower time for me. And it's a slower

1421
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 1: time because I'm choosing it to be slower. I don't.

1422
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,520
Speaker 1: I still think there's plenty of information to find out there. Um,

1423
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: but for me personally, it's like, Okay, I can't do

1424
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: this all year round like I used to. I need

1425
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 1: to pick windows, so I focus on the windows where

1426
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: I think it's most beneficial to me and my style.

1427
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 1: So then, you know, then you get into that July August,

1428
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: that's when I start looking more for specific books that

1429
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: made it, you know, targets go after, and that's when

1430
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 1: I start kind of planning my fall. Like, Okay, I

1431
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: got you know, there's a you know, a new big

1432
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 1: buck over here. He looks at least three and a half.

1433
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know who this there is, you know,

1434
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 1: and I try to keep tabs on him. You know

1435
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 1: what you're actually doing? Uh like keeping tabs? Yeah? So

1436
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: like how July August you're you're starting to find these

1437
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 1: deer that you're actually gonna hunt and playing your fall.

1438
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 1: How specifically is that happening? Is that that you are

1439
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 1: going and checking cameras once a week or something and

1440
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: removing cameras from property property or do you go and

1441
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: sit on these properties at night and watch fields or

1442
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: walk me through that first step finding these bucks here

1443
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: in a hunt that year in August, I guess I'd

1444
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: say all above. I do. UM. I do a lot

1445
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: of glassing driving around, UM A lot of times. You know,

1446
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: a lot of the areas of hunt. It's not something

1447
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 1: you necessarily see from the road. So I will get

1448
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: out and glass that, you know, that last hour. UM.

1449
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: And usually you know, I'm focusing on areas that I

1450
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 1: already know something's there. I'm just trying to see what

1451
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 1: he is. You know, did he make it? Is he there?

1452
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 1: What what did he turn into? And I'm trying to

1453
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: narrow down those, you know, those few bucks that I'm

1454
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 1: gonna focus on. UM. I definitely do run cameras, especially here.

1455
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: I don't do it much out of state. Out of state.

1456
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 1: I focus or on just like you know, kind of

1457
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 1: boots on the ground scouting. And I do still like

1458
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 1: that that aspect of like not knowing what's there. You see,

1459
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: you know, a mature bucks in here, but I have

1460
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: no idea what he is. I like that and I

1461
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 1: missed that sometimes in Michigan I get very few surprises.

1462
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, because I do. I do

1463
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: scout things pretty thoroughly. I mean, every once in a while,

1464
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,679
Speaker 1: you know, you'll get like a three year old or something,

1465
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 1: or a four year old pop up, but you're just like, oh,

1466
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 1: where is it? You know who is that, dear? But um,

1467
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: I know my areas so well that that doesn't happen

1468
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: as much around home. But um, yeah, I'll check camera,

1469
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: I'll put cameras out, Um, I'll check them. But during

1470
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: the summer months, I change things to uh mainly it

1471
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: might be for financial reasons, gas batteries in the camera

1472
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:55,719
Speaker 1: or whatever. I usually do one or maybe two checks

1473
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: before the season. That's it. So um, it's I'm not

1474
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 1: I'm not one of those guys. I need to know

1475
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: what he's doing in July even August, Like I want

1476
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: to know, like I'll pull those cameras and I'll look

1477
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: through those pictures and be like, oh, yeah, man, that

1478
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: those are sweet. There he is there. But I want

1479
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 1: to know worries at those last few days of September,

1480
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: you know, and that's when I there's a lot of

1481
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: times where I won't even touch camera til then. Um,

1482
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: and I don't necessarily have it exactly where I'm hunting,

1483
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,799
Speaker 1: like the the actual location I'll have in a spot

1484
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: where I feel like I can still get pictures. Um,

1485
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 1: but I'm not ruining where my actual hunting is. You know,

1486
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: my my hunting location, and those spots are usually set

1487
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:45,719
Speaker 1: up and prepared ahead of time because I know the areas,

1488
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 1: I know where the buckbeds are, the ones I found,

1489
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,639
Speaker 1: I know the traveler. Else, I have a feeling that

1490
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 1: you know, the buck that's bedded in this this bed,

1491
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: you know, we'll we'll feel safe traveling you know this

1492
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: distance through this this bit of cover, just because he

1493
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 1: can stay hidden. So it's it's all those little pieces

1494
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 1: that I'm trying to put together in my mind and

1495
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 1: through history of the of the of the area, of

1496
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 1: the property, or history of what that deer has done

1497
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: in the past. It's all those little pieces that I'm

1498
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 1: putting together. So the locations are almost always ready and

1499
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: prepared ahead of time. UM. I won't say always, because

1500
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,599
Speaker 1: I do a lot of running gun into, but a

1501
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 1: lot of those spots I'm familiar with. You know, if

1502
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: a buck shows up there, you know a lot of

1503
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,599
Speaker 1: times they do, and they bed in the same areas

1504
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 1: that you know they have before, or our mature deer

1505
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 1: have before and use those same type of areas, and

1506
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 1: you know I can if I hunt it right and

1507
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: if I wait for the right timing. Um, you know,

1508
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: if if a deer shows up on one of those properties,

1509
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 1: I can usually get a crack out of them. So

1510
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: let's rewind a little bit though, So you're running cameras,

1511
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: but you're not checking them till like September typically, right. Yeah,

1512
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: it's very I've I've really toned that back. I used

1513
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 1: to be like the you know, once every two weeks,

1514
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,680
Speaker 1: three weeks, even once a month guy, and now I'm not.

1515
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 1: So basically, it's just to determine do I have the

1516
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,599
Speaker 1: buck here that I want to hunt? So where do

1517
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: you You You mentioned how you're locating cameras in places that

1518
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:25,680
Speaker 1: you can still get pictures, but it's not gonna mess

1519
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 1: up where you're gonna hunt. What are those types of

1520
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 1: locations you put a camera in the summer to get

1521
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 1: that inventory? Yeah, Um, in the summertime, you know, I'm

1522
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 1: looking for you know, apple trees, you know, field edges

1523
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 1: of food sources where they do feed in the summer.

1524
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: So a lot of times I like around bean fields, Um,

1525
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, I have a typically have a knowledge of

1526
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 1: like where the mature dear bed you know, so like

1527
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: let's say they're bedding you know, down this ravine and

1528
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 1: back in this this low marshy area and they're coming

1529
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: up the travel the typical travel is up through the

1530
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 1: ravine and then they come into this giant destination bean field.

1531
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: So I'll put my camera there a lot of times.

1532
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 1: If there's a um a licking branch or something something

1533
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: that kind of just sweetens the spot, I'll put it

1534
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,719
Speaker 1: there because deer work licking branches like all year long,

1535
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 1: and it's not gonna be as You're not gonna get

1536
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: the as good a pictures that you are, like you know,

1537
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: in in mid late October, but you're still gonna it

1538
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 1: concentrates deer and you're gonna get you know, they're they're

1539
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 1: more in uh you know, more in in in groups

1540
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 1: that time of year. So a lot of times I'll

1541
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:36,520
Speaker 1: get pictures there. I focus a lot on water water crossings,

1542
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 1: um it. You know, it just kind of depends, you know,

1543
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: a lot of times I'll put them to like if

1544
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 1: if there's a travel area, um, you know, to a

1545
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 1: food source, I'll try I try to put it in

1546
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:52,679
Speaker 1: there on you know a few of the main trails,

1547
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 1: but knowing that you know, the cameras here but and

1548
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 1: the beds over here. But I'm gonna be hunting much

1549
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 1: closer to the bed, you know, because the maturitier is

1550
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: not going to be you know, during hunting season, is

1551
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: not gonna be getting to where that cameras in daylight,

1552
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't because of my the way I

1553
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 1: set up cameras. I don't get very many daylight pictures.

1554
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: And I do that on purpose. I don't really want

1555
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 1: my cameras to be getting daylight pictures if I if

1556
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 1: they are, I should be hunting there, you know, and

1557
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't really like my cameras where I hunt,

1558
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: and I know some guys do like some I I

1559
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:31,719
Speaker 1: think I watched a video of um, you know, Jeff

1560
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 1: Sturgis saying that he likes the camera we're in all

1561
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,679
Speaker 1: of his tree standing locations. And don't get me wrong,

1562
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:41,919
Speaker 1: like i I'll still just like everything else, I'm always

1563
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: trying new things. I'm always testing new things, so you know,

1564
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 1: there are times where I'll try that, but for the

1565
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 1: most part, it just kind of goes against my instinct

1566
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 1: as a hunter, I don't really want intrusion where um,

1567
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, where I think I'm gonna get the shot

1568
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 1: I might The scenario where I will say that I

1569
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 1: do put them where I might hunt would be more

1570
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 1: than like a travel corridor, like a rut travel corridor

1571
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 1: during the rut, I think you can get away with

1572
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 1: more um you know, it's much more sensitive when you're

1573
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 1: hunting a book kind of more in his secure areas,

1574
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 1: betting area, you know, where he feels safe. Those are

1575
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 1: the areas I don't want cameras, And that's sort of

1576
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:25,759
Speaker 1: that seems to be where a lot of my kills happen.

1577
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:29,679
Speaker 1: But during the rut, like in a travel route, yeah,

1578
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:31,600
Speaker 1: I would have one there for sure. And then a

1579
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 1: lot of times I'll put cameras in those spots and

1580
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 1: just let them soak all year and just keep it

1581
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: as like a learning tool. Is this the spot I

1582
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 1: want to invest some time in? Oh man, look, I'm

1583
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 1: going through these pictures. Late October was on fire. I

1584
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 1: do that a lot with my cameras. So it's more

1585
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 1: for information for years to come, you know, or you

1586
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 1: can eliminate that area, you know, off or whatever. So

1587
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 1: I won't say I don't. I never put them where

1588
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 1: I hunt, But those sensitive areas where I seem to

1589
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 1: kill my oldest year, I don't put cameras there. So,

1590
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 1: speaking of going in or staying out of these sensitive areas,

1591
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:10,719
Speaker 1: what's your cut off period? Like when when does off

1592
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 1: season or maybe maybe it doesn't, maybe you've never had this.

1593
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like everyone has a different

1594
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 1: time period when they say, Okay, I shouldn't be going

1595
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 1: back into the cover anymore. I shouldn't be hanging stands anymore,

1596
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be fiddling with cameras anymore, because it's time

1597
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 1: to let it really lay, because hunting season is about

1598
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 1: to company. For me, it's always been at a minimum

1599
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 1: the end of August, like so, once summer's done, September

1600
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 1: is always like leave it untouched and then I'm super

1601
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 1: duper careful the whole rest of the year. But late August,

1602
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, lots of times I'm finalizing food plots are

1603
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 1: run around last minute, trying to hang my last dand

1604
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 1: or something. Um when is that for you? Well, the

1605
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 1: the sensitive areas I'm talking about, you know, the when

1606
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 1: I'm looking for you know, like betting areas and areas

1607
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: where I'm gon try to ambush a book that's close

1608
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 1: to his like security zone, his secure area. I mean,

1609
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: that's all that's all done, like like in early spring,

1610
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 1: you know, when the snow mills. I try to get

1611
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 1: that all done, um, and then I don't really go

1612
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 1: back to those spots, Like I've tried to find all

1613
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 1: that information in a month period with a ton of scouting.

1614
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 1: I try to get that all squared away, and then

1615
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,440
Speaker 1: and then I want to stay out of there. Um.

1616
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 1: The other spots, like you know, if I'm looking more

1617
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 1: towards like a rut, you know, a rut type setup

1618
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: or something like that, those are the ones that now

1619
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 1: tend to seem like, you know, we're busy. They kind

1620
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: of you know, you want to get them done in

1621
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:45,759
Speaker 1: the spring, but now it's like the beginning of summer

1622
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 1: and they're still not done, you know, or there's still

1623
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: more spots to to to prep or to to scout out.

1624
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 1: Those are the spots that I don't mind pushing back

1625
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 1: a little bit because November is still a long ways

1626
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 1: away and it's not as sensitive as an area you know. Um,

1627
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: But even with those, you know, I'd say i'd say August. Yeah,

1628
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: by August, I don't want to be in there, you know,

1629
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 1: I just I I feel like I feel like during

1630
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 1: you know, one I don't know, I get when you

1631
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 1: get that late in the game. I feel like every

1632
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 1: time you go in, I just cringe, you know, it's

1633
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: I get that feeling. I'm just I'm just ruining my

1634
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:32,640
Speaker 1: chances here. I'm decreasing my chances. So I like to

1635
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 1: hang back as much as possible and get things done,

1636
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, quick and early. Um if I can, but

1637
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, you just you can only do what you

1638
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 1: can do. Everybody's super busy, and I'm just like the

1639
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:47,240
Speaker 1: rest of the guys. I find myself, you know, late summer,

1640
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 1: like oh crap, you know, trying to get these But

1641
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 1: I try to prioritize those sensitive areas, those areas where

1642
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 1: I get, you know, of my kills first early in

1643
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 1: the spring, get those done. Those are the more it's important.

1644
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 1: Those are what where those are my bread and butter,

1645
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: these other areas, because they're the they're gonna pick up

1646
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:10,719
Speaker 1: later late October, you know, first two weeks in November.

1647
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 1: Those are the ones that I'm okay with getting to

1648
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 1: now or in July or early August, and we need

1649
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,879
Speaker 1: to take one more break here to thank our partners

1650
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 1: at White Tailed Properties. And we're just checking out their

1651
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: YouTube channel here recently one of the many resources they

1652
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 1: have in addition to lots on their website at white

1653
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 1: Tail Properties dot com, but through YouTube channel, it's got

1654
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 1: this land beat video series and the most recent video

1655
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,719
Speaker 1: is all about it. Well. It's really quick example about

1656
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: how to develop a bow hunting food plot and showing

1657
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 1: you a specific scenario where this land specialist is trying

1658
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 1: to map out how he's going to break up a

1659
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 1: larger field into two smaller sections using a food plot screen,

1660
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 1: which is something that I've really really recommended, something I

1661
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 1: use a lot. I just spent a whole lot of

1662
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 1: time plantings and food plat screens myself. So check out

1663
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,600
Speaker 1: this video. It's on the White Properties YouTube channel. The

1664
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 1: video is called bow Hunting Food Plots, Get Deer within

1665
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 1: bow Range. Quick one helpful to see it and I

1666
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:09,639
Speaker 1: think you can use it as an example of how

1667
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 1: you might be able to do this in your own

1668
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 1: area and how much, um, how is your prep changing

1669
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 1: at all with when I know you you've kind of

1670
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:25,759
Speaker 1: use saddles throughout different periods of your hunting time period.

1671
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 1: But I think you're maybe using saddles a little more

1672
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 1: now than you were for sounds. Seems like you went

1673
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of like you're using a bunch, and

1674
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 1: you went back to stands a little bit. Now maybe

1675
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 1: you're back to using saddles a little bit. That's kind

1676
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 1: of changing how I think about how I'm going to

1677
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 1: set up some of my farms, because I'm not gonna

1678
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 1: be hanging stands now. So I'm trying to say, Okay,

1679
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 1: I just want to prep a handful of trees. Want

1680
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:47,679
Speaker 1: to prep a bunch of trees. Um, what does your

1681
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:53,600
Speaker 1: preparation look like when you're considering a saddle? Yeah, Um,

1682
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,599
Speaker 1: not much different, to be honest with you, because I

1683
01:24:56,760 --> 01:25:00,480
Speaker 1: was never the type that like hung stands and left them,

1684
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 1: um every area, every every area I hunt. Uh, other

1685
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,599
Speaker 1: people hunt, so there's the competition out there. So I

1686
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:12,640
Speaker 1: was always the guy, you know, bring my stand in,

1687
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 1: take my stand out, um with the saddle. So I'm

1688
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 1: kind of the same way. I do prep um a

1689
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 1: lot of spots. But what I noticed now is like

1690
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 1: is like as I get older and I guess my

1691
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 1: my style and everything kind of gets more dialed in.

1692
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: I prepare less. I prepare the spots where I really

1693
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 1: feel like I can kill something, not like, oh this

1694
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:40,600
Speaker 1: might be a good spot, or oh I might be

1695
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 1: able to call a deer in here, or or if

1696
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 1: a buck you know, does come through here, I want

1697
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 1: to have a tree ready to go. A lot of

1698
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 1: those ones I don't do anymore. And if if those

1699
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 1: things pop up, I just do like a run and

1700
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 1: gun type set up. But I make sure, like you know,

1701
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 1: those those spots you come across that you're just like,

1702
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 1: oh man, this this is where the big bucks living. Okay,

1703
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 1: Now where can I hunt him? Where can I get in? Okay,

1704
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be accessing here. You know, I'm gonna need

1705
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:11,679
Speaker 1: this type of wind, Like how close can I get

1706
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 1: to this without him busting me? You know, he can't

1707
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: smell me, he can't see me, he can't hear me.

1708
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 1: How close can I get to this spot without without

1709
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 1: any of those things happening? So then what I do is,

1710
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'll get in there, and I'll look out

1711
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 1: and I'll listen, and I'll try to figure out where

1712
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 1: that is. It might be if it's a little more

1713
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 1: rolling terrain. You know, I might be able to get

1714
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 1: just over a rise or something. If it's real thick,

1715
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 1: I might be able to get in you know, even closer. Um,

1716
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 1: it just depends, and then I gotta take into account

1717
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 1: how how noisy is it? You know this spot I

1718
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 1: can clear out a little bit, or is this spot

1719
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 1: that I'm you know, not allowed to do that? So

1720
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 1: all that, all that stuff comes into account. But I

1721
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time in those locations because I

1722
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 1: want it to be perfect, you know what I mean.

1723
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:07,640
Speaker 1: So you know those ones, Um, those those types of

1724
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 1: scenarios in that type of situation, those are the ones

1725
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 1: that I take the most time with. I prioritize and

1726
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 1: I get those done and out of the way. And

1727
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 1: are you actually getting to do you trim out shooting

1728
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 1: lanes and stuff on those spots? Like do you actually

1729
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 1: you have your perfect tree picked out? Do you put

1730
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 1: pigs in it or anything else? Or is it Hey,

1731
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna bring my saddle and sticks in or something.

1732
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 1: I'll climb up. But what other prep do you do

1733
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 1: that point other than figuring it all out in your head? Yeah? Um,

1734
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 1: so if it's like uh, you know, if it's spot

1735
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 1: that I've been to for you know, an area I've

1736
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: been to for years and I kind of know that,

1737
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, know the area, and I already have my

1738
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 1: spots kind of picked out that stuff. You know, it

1739
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 1: might be a scenario where I just kind of go in,

1740
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 1: climb up the tree and trim. Um. There's not too

1741
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 1: many spots anymore where I like leave stuff up like

1742
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 1: sticks or pegs or anything like that. I just just

1743
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 1: hasn't worked out for me. So most of that stuff

1744
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 1: I like to kind of be invisible. Um, those those

1745
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 1: spots where I share with other hunters, it's just like

1746
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 1: if I feel like if they know where you're at,

1747
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 1: they just tend to gravitate towards it. So I try

1748
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 1: to leave no trace. Um. But yeah, I'll go in

1749
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 1: those and I'll trim those spots. Um. You know, some

1750
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:25,760
Speaker 1: of the spots, like when we were you know, when

1751
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 1: we're hunting like public land or something, we're not really

1752
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 1: allowed to do much trimming. So you know, those scenarios,

1753
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 1: you just try to work with the best you can.

1754
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 1: But a lot of times, yeah, if it's if it's

1755
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 1: a sensitive area though, if it's close to a um

1756
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 1: you know, in a like a secure zone where that

1757
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 1: buck I think like he'll feel safe. I'll try to

1758
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 1: do as minimal trimming as possible. I don't want to

1759
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 1: make it look like I was there, just you know,

1760
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 1: a few holes. Hopefully I don't have to do too much.

1761
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 1: Hopefully it's not so thick, like you can't get an arrow.

1762
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 1: If it's so thick you can't get an arrows anywhere,

1763
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 1: then I'm I'm getting on the edge of it. You know,

1764
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go in there and create all

1765
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 1: these freaking highways of shooting lanes in there. It's just

1766
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 1: not it's not gonna work out for you. But I'll

1767
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 1: get on the edge of it. And usually if it's

1768
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 1: that thick, the deer will feel comfortable moving through that

1769
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 1: and you might be able to catch him on the edge.

1770
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 1: That's a lot of times I run into that scenario

1771
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 1: where it is so thick in there, it's like, man,

1772
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 1: how like, yeah, you could get up there, but you

1773
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 1: get up you know, fifteen feet, you look down, you

1774
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:25,640
Speaker 1: can't get an arrow in anywhere. And that's where a

1775
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 1: lot of times where those big bucks like to be.

1776
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 1: So if you see that, I don't try to make

1777
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 1: that situation work for me, I get on the edge,

1778
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 1: the edge where I feel like he'll he'll make that mistake,

1779
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:39,639
Speaker 1: and that you know that one day, when the timing

1780
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 1: and everything's perfect, he'll make it to that edge, you know.

1781
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of what I bank on. But

1782
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 1: then there's those other scenarios where you know, it's just

1783
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 1: the way you can come in on like on a

1784
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 1: low creek or something, and you got the water running

1785
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 1: and it's creating some noise or some windy conditions or something,

1786
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 1: or wet conditions, and you can get like I can

1787
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 1: almost get within bow range of these bucks. Sometimes it

1788
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 1: just depends on the on the terrain in the situation.

1789
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 1: There's some spots like that I've been in that you

1790
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 1: if you can get to that tree and you can

1791
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 1: get up perfectly, you can get up and you can

1792
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 1: actually like see the deer, you know, and that that

1793
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:20,800
Speaker 1: doesn't happen often, but or you know that the that

1794
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 1: beds fifty yards away and it's like, oh man, he's

1795
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 1: not there, he's not there. I guess he's not in

1796
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 1: there tonight, and it's like ten minutes of shooting light,

1797
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 1: you see him stand up, stretch. I mean, that's such

1798
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 1: a cool feeling. UM. So it just it just depends everything.

1799
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 1: You know, Every scenario is a little different. So I

1800
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:40,560
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time in those those areas, UM,

1801
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 1: and I really try to think about all of that.

1802
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:44,640
Speaker 1: How is this going to play out? How could this

1803
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 1: play out? Where are the areas that I you know,

1804
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:50,720
Speaker 1: if I if I come in this way, could he

1805
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:52,599
Speaker 1: could he see me there? Like I'm down in the bed,

1806
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 1: like kneeling down? Could he see me there? You know?

1807
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 1: Then then I'll pick out an access and I might

1808
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 1: walk it, and I'll be like, is this noisy? Can

1809
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 1: I get away with this? Am I gonna need windy

1810
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,360
Speaker 1: conditions to do this? Am I gonna need wet? There's

1811
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 1: spots where that I need wet or windy to get in,

1812
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 1: and and and I saved those spots. So if I

1813
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 1: can get thirty or forty of you know, those types

1814
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 1: of locations through you know, sufficient preparation and sufficient you

1815
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 1: know hard work, you know, trying to find those spots

1816
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:30,280
Speaker 1: over years and years, and just keep building on those

1817
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 1: like if you if you, if you prepare to that level,

1818
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 1: how can you not have success? You know what I mean?

1819
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 1: How can I? How can I not? That's why I

1820
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 1: look at it. I'm not going to succeed on everyone.

1821
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 1: You know, that that bucks, that buck is not gonna

1822
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 1: show up. This buck's gonna get killed by another hunter.

1823
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 1: This buck is gonna come out, you know and get

1824
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:52,800
Speaker 1: down wind to me somehow and win me. The wind's

1825
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 1: gonna switch and get me, you know, on this deer,

1826
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:58,320
Speaker 1: but this one I'm gonna get, you know. And and

1827
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 1: then I feel like, you know, the more you kind

1828
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 1: of feel confident in in your system and the more

1829
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 1: experience you have all those like things that can go

1830
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 1: wrong and those scenarios that can go wrong, you almost

1831
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 1: you know, you can almost forstes see them and you

1832
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,760
Speaker 1: can really minimize them, you know, Like so I can

1833
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:19,719
Speaker 1: I can get into an area I can see because

1834
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 1: I've made the mistake before. I can see like this

1835
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 1: isn't gonna work. I need to back up. I need to.

1836
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 1: I need to I need to be out a little bit,

1837
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 1: or I need to be a little bit closer, like

1838
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:30,679
Speaker 1: he's not gonna get to me here, or the wind's

1839
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 1: gonna swirl here. This is the perfect Just like you

1840
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 1: know that big that Big nine I killed a couple

1841
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 1: of years ago. I haunted that deer for two years

1842
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 1: in the area where all the signs said I needed

1843
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 1: to be. I had pictures of them there. Um there,

1844
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 1: there was several scrapes. It was. It was a nice

1845
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:56,639
Speaker 1: open area with like tall tall weeds with oak trees

1846
01:32:57,160 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 1: as this this open area inside of a woods along

1847
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 1: a river bottom and in the surrounding cover was real thick.

1848
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 1: So it's just like, oh man, he's gonna feel great

1849
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:09,280
Speaker 1: coming into this opening. It's perfect. But the wind sworld

1850
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 1: like crazy, and I hunted it and I got up there.

1851
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 1: I'm throwing milk weed and it's like the wind, you know,

1852
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 1: the wind's coming out of the north, but my wood

1853
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 1: milkweeds flying south, Like why maybe it's just switching today.

1854
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:22,200
Speaker 1: So then I come back again. Then you know, a

1855
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 1: couple of weeks later or whatever, it's coming on the

1856
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 1: north boom, it's going back south. Why is it doing that?

1857
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 1: Like is that? What's wrong with this weather man? You

1858
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:31,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like this I have to say

1859
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 1: in north wind, it's not it took it took me

1860
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 1: a while. Like it's swirling here. I'm getting I'm getting

1861
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:39,759
Speaker 1: a swirling effect and it's coming into that opening, shooting

1862
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 1: down and blowing right back. So what did I have

1863
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,439
Speaker 1: to do? I had. I figured that out through trial

1864
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 1: and error, and I backed off a hundred yards and

1865
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 1: I ended up killing the deer the first set. And

1866
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 1: there was there was at least two times where that

1867
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:59,719
Speaker 1: deer was coming in um on previous years to that opening,

1868
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:03,160
Speaker 1: and he winded me. And I'm sure of it because

1869
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 1: it came from the same direction. I never did lay

1870
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:08,879
Speaker 1: eyes on him, but he came from that same direction

1871
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 1: out of the bed where I killed him, and he

1872
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 1: came in and it was one of those you know

1873
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:18,360
Speaker 1: when you hear a like a big giant deer like snort,

1874
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 1: it's like it's a different sound. And then you hear

1875
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:23,120
Speaker 1: it bound away and it's like, okay, that's not a

1876
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 1: light deer, a single deer, heavy thump thump. Yeah, gosh,

1877
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:32,680
Speaker 1: it happened to me twice, so and uh, you know,

1878
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 1: it was just that little adjustment. So now you know.

1879
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:38,519
Speaker 1: Now I know if I if I find an opening

1880
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:40,639
Speaker 1: in the woods like that, that looks awesome. I need

1881
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 1: to get up and test what the winds doing, because

1882
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:45,640
Speaker 1: I've already made a mistake. I hunted a deer two

1883
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:48,120
Speaker 1: years in a situation like this and it doesn't work.

1884
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta find Sometimes it's you find that

1885
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 1: perfect tree and it's like, man, this is the tree

1886
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:56,720
Speaker 1: and you're you know, you're checking and seeing what the

1887
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:58,720
Speaker 1: wind's doing. It's just not working for you, and you

1888
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:01,760
Speaker 1: might have to pick that that other tree that's not

1889
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 1: so perfect. But the winds perfect form, you know, so

1890
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 1: so what so so. A lot of what you're discussing there, though,

1891
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:13,360
Speaker 1: comes from having year's worth of experience because you've scouted

1892
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 1: these places so extensively, you've hunted them, you know, some spots.

1893
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:19,600
Speaker 1: What if I threw you into this scenario which a

1894
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:21,800
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of people have been to find

1895
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:25,320
Speaker 1: themselves in it sometime or another. Let's say it's you

1896
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 1: lost your previous places to hunt. You have no other

1897
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:30,799
Speaker 1: places to hunt. You lost permission everywhere. There's no public

1898
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 1: land where you live. Let's say, um, but you get

1899
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 1: permission on a new farm. It's only spy your and hunt.

1900
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:39,080
Speaker 1: Let's say, at least for the sake of this discussion,

1901
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 1: you get permission on a new eighty acre piece. You

1902
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 1: get permission on August one. What do you do if

1903
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:48,839
Speaker 1: you have to start all of your preparation on August

1904
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 1: one for this property, and and and and walk me

1905
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 1: through your mindset, walk me through what you're doing from

1906
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 1: the moment, like you get permission, like your your house,

1907
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 1: you out the permission. Let's say you talked him before

1908
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 1: and then they give you a call and say yep, okay, yeah,

1909
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 1: you got it. Now you know, Okay, now for the

1910
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:10,559
Speaker 1: next thirty days whatever I gotta get ready. Talking me

1911
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 1: through from the very beginning of what you're thinking about,

1912
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 1: what you're looking at, how you're breaking things down to

1913
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:17,639
Speaker 1: then what you actually do once you get into the field,

1914
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:21,280
Speaker 1: and and what you're doing for the next couple of weeks. Okay. Well,

1915
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 1: it's funny because, uh, in two thousand, two thousand and one,

1916
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:31,719
Speaker 1: I had the same exact scenario, um in a farm

1917
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:36,559
Speaker 1: not far from here. Actually I got permission, um it

1918
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:39,400
Speaker 1: was it might even have been it was even later

1919
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:43,000
Speaker 1: than that. It was like September, like mid September, and

1920
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:46,760
Speaker 1: so I had gotten permission immediately got out my Uh

1921
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 1: you know, back then, we didn't have on X. It

1922
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:50,840
Speaker 1: was just you know, like like paper map. I think

1923
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 1: I got down from like the city building in Jackson,

1924
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 1: but I looked at the aerial I just kind of

1925
01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:59,679
Speaker 1: got the lay of the land. And from from very

1926
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 1: early on, like I, I have always gravitated towards like

1927
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:06,160
Speaker 1: I think early on, like I I got on nice

1928
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:08,200
Speaker 1: deer because I always went towards the thickest stuff. It

1929
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 1: was just like, Okay, I saw a nice deer come

1930
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:13,120
Speaker 1: out of the thickest stuff, Like I just it just

1931
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:16,519
Speaker 1: made sense to me. Early so, you know, there was

1932
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:19,920
Speaker 1: a um, a river bottom coming through this area, and

1933
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 1: then there was like these little points kind of coming

1934
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:25,559
Speaker 1: off and this this tall mark marsh grass and these

1935
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 1: like these these lone trees kind of like along the

1936
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 1: river bottom, and it's like that was the thickest area.

1937
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 1: Everything else it was like open hardwoods or field. So

1938
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:35,639
Speaker 1: it's just gravitated towards that spot. So I went out

1939
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 1: there just scouting, and I walked into the field that

1940
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 1: was butted up. Right next to that was standing corn,

1941
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:46,120
Speaker 1: and I walked around the I was just walking the

1942
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:48,800
Speaker 1: perimeter of the corn. And then right as I was

1943
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:51,599
Speaker 1: approaching that thick area right off the corn field where

1944
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:54,400
Speaker 1: there was all that marsh grass, and then you go

1945
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:56,599
Speaker 1: a little further and there's all these lone trees along

1946
01:37:56,600 --> 01:38:01,280
Speaker 1: this river bottom like in thick tall marsh grass. There's

1947
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:04,639
Speaker 1: there's a couple of sets of big buck tracks coming

1948
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 1: out of that stuff into the standing corner, and I'm like, whoa.

1949
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:12,839
Speaker 1: You know, so I didn't even bother walking into that stuff,

1950
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:15,200
Speaker 1: like it's seasons coming up in like a week, right,

1951
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:17,920
Speaker 1: a week or two. So what I did is I

1952
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:20,760
Speaker 1: backed up and I found the closest tree that I

1953
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 1: could get to where they were entering that field. And

1954
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:26,280
Speaker 1: you know, you know, back then, it was just like

1955
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 1: again like I always felt, thick cover to thick cover

1956
01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 1: is good standing corners thick cover, Like I felt like,

1957
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, they're coming through here. I feel like I

1958
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:37,479
Speaker 1: got a chance. You know, there's really no other option

1959
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 1: once you get off the corn field, you know, you

1960
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 1: have to get like a ground set up or something.

1961
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:42,840
Speaker 1: So I found the closest tree that I could get

1962
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:48,200
Speaker 1: to that transition, and I sat on October one, and

1963
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:52,559
Speaker 1: I had two at that time, the two biggest Michigan

1964
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,439
Speaker 1: Bucks I've ever seen come out together in a boxer group.

1965
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:57,679
Speaker 1: I had my I had my choice between the two,

1966
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:01,439
Speaker 1: both of them over a hundred fifty in yep and

1967
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:09,240
Speaker 1: where exactly so uh well, it was funny is where Uh,

1968
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 1: it was where your buddy Andy helped me with the dogs.

1969
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:19,320
Speaker 1: That yep, that that other books. So um but anyway, UM,

1970
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 1: so the two bucks come out. One was substantially wider

1971
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 1: than the others, like nineteen inches wide. They're both kind

1972
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:28,479
Speaker 1: of similar caliber. I end up shooting the wider one.

1973
01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:31,240
Speaker 1: But going back to I guess, going back to your question,

1974
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 1: if I got permission in August, I feel like, August,

1975
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, if I wanted to really learn the property,

1976
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:44,839
Speaker 1: I might do like a quick burn through everything. August,

1977
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:46,559
Speaker 1: I think I still think you're okay if you're If

1978
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 1: it was you know, September, September, I think I would

1979
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 1: play it different. But August, I feel like that's, you know,

1980
01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:58,599
Speaker 1: early enough that I would probably quickly get a quick

1981
01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 1: burn through. I definitely look at the maps and pick

1982
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:05,800
Speaker 1: out like, Okay, this looks like it could be good

1983
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:08,840
Speaker 1: bedding here. Okay, you know we've got a water away here,

1984
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:11,200
Speaker 1: there's some water, there's a nice little pond or you know,

1985
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:14,280
Speaker 1: a drinking hole here. Um, I might do a quick

1986
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:17,400
Speaker 1: burn through the thickest you know areas, just the farm

1987
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:19,880
Speaker 1: in general, and get a quick and so when you stay,

1988
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:21,559
Speaker 1: do a burn through of it. So you mentioned you're

1989
01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:23,479
Speaker 1: gonna look at the maps, find a couple of like

1990
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,160
Speaker 1: interesting areas, and then when you do this quote unquote

1991
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 1: burn through. Are you saying you're literally gonna like grid

1992
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:30,200
Speaker 1: it or you just gonna go hit like these four

1993
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:33,840
Speaker 1: or five spots of most interest and like I'm actually

1994
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:37,599
Speaker 1: interested in, Like how much do you actually walk? Yeah,

1995
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:41,320
Speaker 1: I would h how focuses that walk? Yeah, I would

1996
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:43,599
Speaker 1: depend on the farm, but I would I would focus

1997
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:46,560
Speaker 1: on the areas of interest. I'm not gonna grid the

1998
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:51,240
Speaker 1: whole farm necessarily. Um. You know, say your typical Michigan farm.

1999
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 1: You know it's gonna have some field, probably some woods,

2000
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:56,760
Speaker 1: maybe some river bottom or marsh or whatever. I'm gonna

2001
01:40:56,800 --> 01:41:00,160
Speaker 1: focus on the areas that I know are gonna typically

2002
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:04,040
Speaker 1: hold mature deer and and and most guys nowadays, I think,

2003
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:06,160
Speaker 1: can look at a map and kind of pinpoint some

2004
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:11,639
Speaker 1: of those areas. Um. But for me, even though I'm

2005
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:14,280
Speaker 1: I'm decent at doing that with a map, I'm I'm

2006
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:16,439
Speaker 1: much better getting boots on the ground because when I

2007
01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:18,320
Speaker 1: get boots on the ground, there's just things you miss.

2008
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:22,360
Speaker 1: You know, you can get into a good area from

2009
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:25,240
Speaker 1: a map, but once I get on the ground. That's

2010
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:27,040
Speaker 1: when I really kind of see it, and I could

2011
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:29,320
Speaker 1: see how everything kind of plays out in my mind

2012
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:32,960
Speaker 1: and what the deer doing and what what's the caliber

2013
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 1: deer in here? Does this? Does this place hold a

2014
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:38,400
Speaker 1: deer that can get to four or five years old?

2015
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 1: You know that that that whole the whole picture is

2016
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:45,720
Speaker 1: in front of you. And then you know, depending on

2017
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:48,639
Speaker 1: you know, what you see, just kind of you can

2018
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:51,519
Speaker 1: figure things out. But I wouldn't be afraid if it's

2019
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:54,559
Speaker 1: an August kind of doing a speed scout, I guess,

2020
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:59,880
Speaker 1: like through that area, just verifying some some deer sign. Okay, yeah,

2021
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:03,559
Speaker 1: this does look thick, this looks good. Um, you know,

2022
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:06,840
Speaker 1: maybe even you know, if I, if I it was

2023
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:09,040
Speaker 1: one of those situations where I could like hang stands

2024
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:12,240
Speaker 1: or something. I might throw up some stands or or whatever.

2025
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 1: Talking about your average guy that you know might be

2026
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:17,640
Speaker 1: in this situation, um, and just try to get it

2027
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 1: all done like boom really quick and then get out.

2028
01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:23,760
Speaker 1: It's not something I would do like, oh, okay, let's

2029
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:26,519
Speaker 1: go scalt it sweet. Let's come back next weekend and

2030
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:30,200
Speaker 1: hang our ladder stands. Cool next week, let's come out

2031
01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:32,600
Speaker 1: and you know put our mineral licks in awesome, you

2032
01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like that's that's what's gonna burn you.

2033
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 1: But um, especially like that time of year, like um

2034
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:43,960
Speaker 1: bucks are much more laid back, and they're much more

2035
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:46,160
Speaker 1: laid back when they're in the group too. So you

2036
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:49,880
Speaker 1: you you can get away with you know, going through summer.

2037
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:54,400
Speaker 1: Typically there's a lot of activity anyway, um, you know,

2038
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:57,120
Speaker 1: with humans. So I wouldn't be terrified to do that.

2039
01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be my favorite thing. I'd still get that cringe,

2040
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:03,240
Speaker 1: but I would do what I needed to do to

2041
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:09,120
Speaker 1: get it done, um very quickly, and then just stay out. Now,

2042
01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 1: if we're talking say mid September, like the time frame

2043
01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:15,719
Speaker 1: I found myself in, then I'm gonna scout more the edges.

2044
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go into that thick stuff. Now.

2045
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:21,040
Speaker 1: I do exactly what I did that other firm. I'd

2046
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:25,639
Speaker 1: walk the field edges. Okay, Now maybe there's some open woods, Okay,

2047
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:28,040
Speaker 1: I feel comfortable walking in open woods. Okay, now it's

2048
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:30,559
Speaker 1: starting to get thick. Okay, I'm gonna look at my map.

2049
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:33,840
Speaker 1: There's a point here that goes out into this marsh.

2050
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:36,600
Speaker 1: That's definitely gonna be a betting area. So I'm not

2051
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:39,680
Speaker 1: even gonna mess with it. I'm gonna assume that is

2052
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:42,799
Speaker 1: what it looks like, you know. Or here's this island here,

2053
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:45,200
Speaker 1: you know, in this in this marsh with all these

2054
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:48,120
Speaker 1: you know, these kind of like brushy trees, that looks

2055
01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:51,400
Speaker 1: like a good betting area. I'm not even gonna verify it.

2056
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:54,000
Speaker 1: It's on the map there, it is. That's pretty straightforward.

2057
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:56,879
Speaker 1: Just kind of walk the edges and walk the fringes,

2058
01:43:57,560 --> 01:44:00,280
Speaker 1: and then you know, when I find something in that

2059
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:03,120
Speaker 1: looks like it might be a good set up, it

2060
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 1: might be something I would prep or it might be

2061
01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:07,400
Speaker 1: something like, okay, you know, we're a little too close,

2062
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a run and gun, and I'm gonna

2063
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna set it up the first time I hunted,

2064
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:15,000
Speaker 1: you know, and then and then kind of go from there,

2065
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:16,960
Speaker 1: like I've done that in the past two It's it's

2066
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:21,679
Speaker 1: more like a kind of less aggressive. You're learning the property,

2067
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:24,040
Speaker 1: you're just not learning it intimately, and you're gonna learn

2068
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:26,960
Speaker 1: it intimately throughout the season. Does that make sense? That

2069
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. I get that. So what

2070
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:35,400
Speaker 1: about the So we we've talked about preparing our archery situation.

2071
01:44:35,439 --> 01:44:38,160
Speaker 1: We've talked about preparing actually learning a property and getting

2072
01:44:38,160 --> 01:44:42,320
Speaker 1: a hunting plan in place. What else are you prepping

2073
01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 1: or taken care of or what kind of rotune do

2074
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:49,200
Speaker 1: you have around the final days before your hunting season starts.

2075
01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:51,680
Speaker 1: Maybe it's that last week or the last night or

2076
01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:53,920
Speaker 1: whatever it might be for you, What are those things

2077
01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:56,479
Speaker 1: that you're doing at the very end, just before it's

2078
01:44:56,479 --> 01:45:00,080
Speaker 1: go time. Yeah, those last two weeks, those are are

2079
01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 1: really really key for me. That's when I'm trying to

2080
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:08,320
Speaker 1: find the buck that I'm gonna try to kill opening day,

2081
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:11,880
Speaker 1: and there's always one that I'm gonna try to kill

2082
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:15,600
Speaker 1: opening day. And you know, with with all this preparation

2083
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:22,320
Speaker 1: and you know, all the scouting, you kind of narrow down,

2084
01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:26,280
Speaker 1: you know, to certain areas that you know, I look for,

2085
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, areas that always hold good deer. And then

2086
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm also looking for deer that I know that I

2087
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:36,320
Speaker 1: made it and there are locations and I'm also looking

2088
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 1: for deer that I found through scouting. So now I'm

2089
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:41,240
Speaker 1: trying to find a book that's showing some sort of

2090
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:45,800
Speaker 1: weakness coming up to those last couple of days. And

2091
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be too intrusive. I'm not going

2092
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 1: to go in there and necessarily check a camera. I

2093
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:54,640
Speaker 1: might if the conditions, um, you know, are good. If

2094
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:56,559
Speaker 1: you get a good rain or something and my camera's

2095
01:45:56,640 --> 01:45:58,519
Speaker 1: off of where you know, I'm I might do that.

2096
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:00,320
Speaker 1: I might go in there and see like, oh man,

2097
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:02,160
Speaker 1: here's a picture of him an eight half an hour

2098
01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:06,280
Speaker 1: before are after dark. Okay. Now I feel I feel confident,

2099
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:09,000
Speaker 1: like I know where he's at because I've scouted. I

2100
01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:11,519
Speaker 1: know where the beds are. I feel like I can

2101
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:14,120
Speaker 1: get in. I could run and gun, or maybe I

2102
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:16,800
Speaker 1: already have a tree prep or something, but I feel

2103
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:19,680
Speaker 1: like I can, I can slip in there the conditions

2104
01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:23,960
Speaker 1: are right. Um. I usually make some sort of move

2105
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:26,760
Speaker 1: on a deer that first day of the season, and

2106
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:29,920
Speaker 1: and and some of them are like it's clear, like okay,

2107
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:33,240
Speaker 1: this this deer is moving. You know, he's he's he's

2108
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:37,160
Speaker 1: in the area, he's living here. Um, And it feels

2109
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:39,240
Speaker 1: more of like a I won't say a sure thing,

2110
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:42,640
Speaker 1: but like a real confidence is really high. And then

2111
01:46:42,640 --> 01:46:45,760
Speaker 1: there's other ones where like, okay, he was here, you

2112
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:48,360
Speaker 1: know I glassed him coming into this field a few

2113
01:46:48,360 --> 01:46:51,080
Speaker 1: weeks ago or maybe a week ago, and I haven't

2114
01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 1: seen him since I checked the cameras not on there,

2115
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:56,679
Speaker 1: but that might be my best lead. And I've learned

2116
01:46:56,680 --> 01:46:59,760
Speaker 1: to never just just because you don't they're not on

2117
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,040
Speaker 1: amer or you don't see them coming in the field anymore,

2118
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:05,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean they're not there. There's some shifting around

2119
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:07,320
Speaker 1: that goes in that late summer. You know, you'll have

2120
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 1: some deer that stay, some deer that leave, and you

2121
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 1: won't see him again until like December, and then there's

2122
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:15,920
Speaker 1: those those some deer that that come in. But that's

2123
01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:18,680
Speaker 1: why that that last week week and a half is

2124
01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:21,880
Speaker 1: a really key because by that time they're usually there.

2125
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:25,880
Speaker 1: And so I'm just trying to find that one, that

2126
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:30,000
Speaker 1: one scenario where it looks like, you know, it looks

2127
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:31,880
Speaker 1: like I can get it early season kill and it's

2128
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 1: it's my my favorite time. Um and I've killed quite

2129
01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:38,720
Speaker 1: a few deer there. But it's by no means is

2130
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:42,800
Speaker 1: it like you know a thing. It's just that's my

2131
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:45,040
Speaker 1: goal for opening day. I want to be on a buck.

2132
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:46,400
Speaker 1: I want to know where he's at. I want to

2133
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:49,559
Speaker 1: feel I have a real high confidence set up, and

2134
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:52,439
Speaker 1: I feel like if I prepare enough and I you

2135
01:47:52,479 --> 01:47:56,360
Speaker 1: know kind of you know, spread my scouting enough and

2136
01:47:56,360 --> 01:48:01,040
Speaker 1: and and locate, try to locate enough big deer that

2137
01:48:01,200 --> 01:48:04,280
Speaker 1: I can find one or maybe even two that are

2138
01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:07,160
Speaker 1: showing some sort of weakness or where I feel like

2139
01:48:07,160 --> 01:48:09,680
Speaker 1: I got a chance there. So at that point, like

2140
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:13,000
Speaker 1: so you you've done, You've had your wide net cast

2141
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:17,679
Speaker 1: throughout the summer, and then sometime in late summer early fall,

2142
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:20,639
Speaker 1: you're kind of saying, Okay, here's my five mature bucks,

2143
01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:23,160
Speaker 1: or there's ten mature bucks, there's three mature bucks or whatever.

2144
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:25,880
Speaker 1: And then now you're getting to that last week or

2145
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:31,120
Speaker 1: two before the season, do you do you then look

2146
01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:33,719
Speaker 1: at the information you have so far and then say, okay,

2147
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:36,240
Speaker 1: all of these five bucks on the various properties that

2148
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:40,280
Speaker 1: can hunt, I think buck number one is going to

2149
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:42,479
Speaker 1: give me the very best chance for the opening night kill.

2150
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:44,959
Speaker 1: And then do you zoom in all of your focus

2151
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:46,840
Speaker 1: just on that one deer then and spend the last

2152
01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:50,200
Speaker 1: two weeks doing some glassing they're or doing a couple

2153
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:52,960
Speaker 1: of camera polls or something like, do you focus in

2154
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:55,559
Speaker 1: on that one deer or you still looking at everything

2155
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 1: because you want because your number one October one buck

2156
01:48:59,160 --> 01:49:03,200
Speaker 1: might change. Yeah, it usually things start playing out where

2157
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:06,559
Speaker 1: like you know, deer start to spurt, like you know,

2158
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:09,519
Speaker 1: you're you're seeing this buck coming out and you know

2159
01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:11,880
Speaker 1: it's like mid September and all of a sudden, like okay,

2160
01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:15,719
Speaker 1: he's gone, you know, so he's kind of things start

2161
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:18,040
Speaker 1: falling off, like things start playing out where it just

2162
01:49:18,120 --> 01:49:22,040
Speaker 1: kind of narrows him down. And um, you know, there's

2163
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:25,000
Speaker 1: just some some deer. And and to be honest with you,

2164
01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:31,719
Speaker 1: a lot of spots I hunt aren't great for early season, um,

2165
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:35,040
Speaker 1: you know, holding a buck early season, but there are

2166
01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:38,320
Speaker 1: some I do have some that every year hold a

2167
01:49:38,360 --> 01:49:41,400
Speaker 1: good buck. Um, So it's you know, I tend to

2168
01:49:41,439 --> 01:49:43,599
Speaker 1: focus on those areas, but I'm also trying to always

2169
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:45,519
Speaker 1: find new areas that are like that. And there's some

2170
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:47,439
Speaker 1: areas that are just literally that first week it is

2171
01:49:47,479 --> 01:49:49,160
Speaker 1: like your chance. And if you don't get it done,

2172
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:51,280
Speaker 1: then it's not one of those spots you want to

2173
01:49:51,320 --> 01:49:53,960
Speaker 1: wait till the rut because they're gone. The crops come

2174
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 1: out and there's nothing there anymore. It just doesn't it

2175
01:49:56,840 --> 01:50:00,759
Speaker 1: doesn't have enough security cover to the deer to feel

2176
01:50:00,920 --> 01:50:03,360
Speaker 1: safe and confident there, so they're gone. It's more of

2177
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:07,400
Speaker 1: like a late summer early fall thing. So it's real

2178
01:50:07,479 --> 01:50:12,120
Speaker 1: important to recognize that and then capitalize on those spots,

2179
01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, when they're they're most effective. So I do

2180
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:17,919
Speaker 1: have a handful of areas like that, and I'm constantly

2181
01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:21,439
Speaker 1: adding some. So yeah, I'm I'm zeroing in on those.

2182
01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:26,719
Speaker 1: Um just this year, there's a there's a new area that, uh,

2183
01:50:26,720 --> 01:50:30,799
Speaker 1: it looks like it could just just going by experience,

2184
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:32,680
Speaker 1: it looked like it could be decent early. There's some

2185
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:36,120
Speaker 1: there's some like apple trees on there and they hold

2186
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:38,200
Speaker 1: some water and I'm thinking it might be a good

2187
01:50:38,240 --> 01:50:40,599
Speaker 1: thick cover. It could be a really good area for

2188
01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:44,000
Speaker 1: a mature deer early season. So there's another spot for

2189
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:46,880
Speaker 1: me to kind of keep tabs on. But it things

2190
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:48,880
Speaker 1: tend to play out, and you kind of your focus

2191
01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:51,880
Speaker 1: tends to narrow naturally to like, Okay, this dear is

2192
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:55,080
Speaker 1: doing this, you know, and he's showing up or he's

2193
01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:58,840
Speaker 1: showing some regularity, or last year he was you know

2194
01:50:58,920 --> 01:51:01,479
Speaker 1: regularly during this time years. So it all kind of,

2195
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:05,479
Speaker 1: you know, it all comes into play. Just tend to

2196
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:09,160
Speaker 1: narrow down. I'm not necessarily just because there's a big giant,

2197
01:51:09,320 --> 01:51:13,160
Speaker 1: you know here in Velvet that I'm just gonna be

2198
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:16,200
Speaker 1: ultra focused on that deer. I won't do that because

2199
01:51:16,360 --> 01:51:19,000
Speaker 1: you know there's fifty fifty chance that he might go

2200
01:51:19,120 --> 01:51:21,840
Speaker 1: somewhere else like that that buck that you helped me track.

2201
01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:26,120
Speaker 1: You know, that deer was never there early season. You know,

2202
01:51:26,160 --> 01:51:29,600
Speaker 1: he never was. He was. In fact, I've told you this.

2203
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:32,000
Speaker 1: The play was to kill him late season. That's when

2204
01:51:32,040 --> 01:51:36,599
Speaker 1: he always came. And so I wasn't even after that deer.

2205
01:51:36,920 --> 01:51:41,200
Speaker 1: I was there after a big wide ten point and um,

2206
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:43,720
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I mean, who knows. You don't call

2207
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:47,320
Speaker 1: it luck, you know, fate whatever, he showed up you know,

2208
01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:51,639
Speaker 1: early season. So, um, that's a heck of a buck too. Yeah.

2209
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:56,479
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring him. Yeah, but you know, so

2210
01:51:57,240 --> 01:52:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, I tend to just you usually ends up

2211
01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:03,400
Speaker 1: being like one or two bucks, and it's Michigan. I mean,

2212
01:52:03,479 --> 01:52:07,120
Speaker 1: sometimes it's one. Sometimes it's I've had I've had years

2213
01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:12,200
Speaker 1: where I've literally found like two shooters period and then

2214
01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:15,640
Speaker 1: other years where it's been like seven or eight, you know,

2215
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:17,800
Speaker 1: and it's just it kind of depends on the year.

2216
01:52:17,960 --> 01:52:21,360
Speaker 1: And you know, if it's been a good growing season,

2217
01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:23,920
Speaker 1: you know, what what deer have been killed? What haven't.

2218
01:52:24,040 --> 01:52:27,000
Speaker 1: You know. It's just you know, like a few years ago,

2219
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:30,200
Speaker 1: every deer that I had on camera that was three

2220
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:34,040
Speaker 1: and a half or older, which was or that I

2221
01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:36,360
Speaker 1: had seen which was a lot. There was a lot

2222
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:38,880
Speaker 1: for Michigan with the most I've ever seen. Every single

2223
01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 1: one except one was verified killed. Yeah, so we went

2224
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:44,560
Speaker 1: into that next season like, Okay, there's not gonna be

2225
01:52:44,640 --> 01:52:47,679
Speaker 1: much around, you know, But then you know, then there's

2226
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:49,880
Speaker 1: years it's like you know, you're you're glass in and

2227
01:52:49,880 --> 01:52:51,960
Speaker 1: there's like, man, there's some good bucks there and you

2228
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:54,360
Speaker 1: you know, big tracks here. When I'm scouting, it's like

2229
01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:56,120
Speaker 1: then you pull your card and there's a couple of

2230
01:52:56,160 --> 01:52:58,679
Speaker 1: shooters you know at this place, in this place, It's like, wow,

2231
01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:01,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot of nice deer around, and they tend

2232
01:53:01,320 --> 01:53:05,120
Speaker 1: you know, they tend falling off. Pressure increases here, they disappear.

2233
01:53:05,200 --> 01:53:07,559
Speaker 1: This deer gets posted, this deer gets killed. You know,

2234
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, things happen, it ends up narrowing down, but

2235
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:14,599
Speaker 1: you know, it just kind of depends. But usually that

2236
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:18,479
Speaker 1: that last week I'm usually focused on like one, maybe two, two. Dear,

2237
01:53:19,160 --> 01:53:22,880
Speaker 1: you know, what are you doing in those final days

2238
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:26,080
Speaker 1: or weeks As far as preparing other stuff. So other

2239
01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:28,360
Speaker 1: than you found your buck or bucks that you're gonna

2240
01:53:28,360 --> 01:53:31,840
Speaker 1: target that first night, do you do anything to prep

2241
01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:34,759
Speaker 1: your gear? Do you do anything to prepare your your mind?

2242
01:53:34,920 --> 01:53:38,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, uh, any any process stuff that's happening

2243
01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:42,040
Speaker 1: at home before the season actually begins. Um. I mean

2244
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:45,280
Speaker 1: the gear stuff is just kind of as I can

2245
01:53:45,320 --> 01:53:47,640
Speaker 1: do it throughout the year, like here and there. I

2246
01:53:47,680 --> 01:53:52,520
Speaker 1: don't I don't necessarily designate a certain time for that. Um.

2247
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:55,000
Speaker 1: You know, I try to get all my equipment quiet.

2248
01:53:55,160 --> 01:53:58,599
Speaker 1: I like our real reliable system, so like in my pack,

2249
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, everything is always wear you know, has its

2250
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:05,280
Speaker 1: own little pocket or station and it's just everything's where

2251
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:07,240
Speaker 1: I needed to be. I don't want to be fumbling

2252
01:54:07,240 --> 01:54:10,040
Speaker 1: around with stuff. You know, what was it that you

2253
01:54:10,240 --> 01:54:13,840
Speaker 1: forgot on our Nebraska hunt? Oh yeah, the range that

2254
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:18,920
Speaker 1: was never done that before ever. Yeah, the system got

2255
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:22,240
Speaker 1: messed up with a trip and that came and you

2256
01:54:22,280 --> 01:54:25,000
Speaker 1: know it was like I remember too, I remember gathering

2257
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:26,360
Speaker 1: stuff out of the back of your car and it

2258
01:54:26,439 --> 01:54:29,679
Speaker 1: was like I had a bag over here, my my

2259
01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:31,880
Speaker 1: my backpack over here, and I was like, where where

2260
01:54:31,960 --> 01:54:34,920
Speaker 1: is that? Where is everything? Like this is completely messed up,

2261
01:54:35,560 --> 01:54:41,000
Speaker 1: and uh, I was wearing a vinyl harness, and I

2262
01:54:41,120 --> 01:54:44,840
Speaker 1: had my range finder clipped onto my vinyl harness, and

2263
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:50,000
Speaker 1: I grabbed everything hopped out of your truck, um, and

2264
01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:52,040
Speaker 1: didn't grab the vinyal harness. So I didn't have my

2265
01:54:52,080 --> 01:54:56,560
Speaker 1: binoculars or that. And and I started walking and I

2266
01:54:56,600 --> 01:54:59,280
Speaker 1: get up that first hill and I'm like, oh, you know,

2267
01:54:59,480 --> 01:55:01,360
Speaker 1: like grabbing chest. And I turn around and I see

2268
01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:03,440
Speaker 1: your car, like your truck going over the hill like

2269
01:55:04,760 --> 01:55:08,160
Speaker 1: you know. So I was just like, yeah, I do Uh,

2270
01:55:08,360 --> 01:55:11,440
Speaker 1: nothing good was gonna happen that night. But sorry. Back

2271
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:14,600
Speaker 1: to what you're saying about your system. Yeah, the equipment stuff,

2272
01:55:14,640 --> 01:55:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, again, just like with everything else, I'm trying

2273
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:22,080
Speaker 1: to improve improve the system. I'm trying to find gear

2274
01:55:22,160 --> 01:55:25,360
Speaker 1: that's quieter, gear that's makes you know, it makes things lighter,

2275
01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:28,760
Speaker 1: less bulky, it makes me more effective in the woods,

2276
01:55:29,520 --> 01:55:35,840
Speaker 1: and um, you know, uh I I I like the

2277
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:38,480
Speaker 1: system I have, so I guess I haven't been changing

2278
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:40,600
Speaker 1: too much. You know. I used to use a lone

2279
01:55:40,640 --> 01:55:44,120
Speaker 1: wolf and sticks, which is great. I still have them.

2280
01:55:44,200 --> 01:55:47,320
Speaker 1: It's a really nice like mobile type set up, which

2281
01:55:47,400 --> 01:55:51,440
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of my hunting is and you know,

2282
01:55:51,480 --> 01:55:54,879
Speaker 1: I have gravitated more towards like the tree saddle. Um,

2283
01:55:54,920 --> 01:55:57,000
Speaker 1: I had one a long time ago. A Trophy line

2284
01:55:57,520 --> 01:55:59,560
Speaker 1: used it for two seasons, killed deer out of it,

2285
01:55:59,600 --> 01:56:02,240
Speaker 1: and I'll album it just wasn't real comfortable for me,

2286
01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:04,840
Speaker 1: and when I started having my back issues and stuff,

2287
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:07,320
Speaker 1: I just got away from it. Just wasn't comfortable. I

2288
01:56:07,320 --> 01:56:10,040
Speaker 1: felt fidgety. There was one hunt in Ohio that I

2289
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:12,960
Speaker 1: was like, I was gonna sit till noon. I was,

2290
01:56:13,560 --> 01:56:15,200
Speaker 1: I had till noon to hunt. I was gonna sit

2291
01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:17,720
Speaker 1: till noon. It was like November four, and it got

2292
01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:20,320
Speaker 1: to ten o'clock and I couldn't stand the pain anymore

2293
01:56:20,840 --> 01:56:22,480
Speaker 1: in my hips, and I got down and I was like,

2294
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:27,480
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't. I can't risk not sitting ten

2295
01:56:27,600 --> 01:56:29,760
Speaker 1: to twelve during the rut when I have that time

2296
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:32,560
Speaker 1: of elt. So then I went back to the tree stand,

2297
01:56:32,600 --> 01:56:35,320
Speaker 1: which you know, definitely wasn't comfortable, but at least I

2298
01:56:35,320 --> 01:56:38,560
Speaker 1: could stand, sit, stand, sit, just kind of keep things loose.

2299
01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:42,800
Speaker 1: And then, um, you know, and then you know, in

2300
01:56:42,840 --> 01:56:44,840
Speaker 1: the past couple of years, all these you know, new

2301
01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:47,120
Speaker 1: saddles have come out and they're so much better than

2302
01:56:47,640 --> 01:56:50,040
Speaker 1: what they were you know, and I was able to

2303
01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:54,960
Speaker 1: tryal one that I really liked, you know, so light, um,

2304
01:56:55,120 --> 01:57:01,040
Speaker 1: no bulk to it, and they out with a little backband,

2305
01:57:01,040 --> 01:57:03,120
Speaker 1: so I'm able to find really good comfort in it

2306
01:57:03,200 --> 01:57:06,840
Speaker 1: too now, so that I kind of got into that

2307
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:09,480
Speaker 1: like mid last season, and then I used that exclusively

2308
01:57:10,280 --> 01:57:12,560
Speaker 1: and then that's gonna be my go to this year too.

2309
01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:15,680
Speaker 1: It's just it's they're they've made just so much improvements

2310
01:57:15,720 --> 01:57:18,320
Speaker 1: on it, so that's a big gear change, but everything

2311
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:23,880
Speaker 1: else is just about getting it quiet, um you know. Um,

2312
01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:26,120
Speaker 1: you know, I'm happy with like you know, my clothes

2313
01:57:26,160 --> 01:57:28,400
Speaker 1: and boots and that sort of thing. Like sometimes I'll

2314
01:57:28,440 --> 01:57:30,000
Speaker 1: try like new boots and that sort of thing, but

2315
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:31,760
Speaker 1: I don't I don't spend a whole lot of energy

2316
01:57:31,800 --> 01:57:34,520
Speaker 1: on that. Like everything I have is like pretty freaking quiet.

2317
01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:37,800
Speaker 1: And what I like about, you know, having quiet stuff

2318
01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:39,920
Speaker 1: and like the saddle with less bulk and everything's like

2319
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:42,600
Speaker 1: I love. I like that I can go into the woods,

2320
01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:49,440
Speaker 1: run and gun in a new area and I'm perfectly

2321
01:57:50,200 --> 01:57:54,120
Speaker 1: capable and and ready to climb up a tree and

2322
01:57:54,200 --> 01:57:57,800
Speaker 1: hunt twenty five ft or I can hunker down on

2323
01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:00,080
Speaker 1: the ground and I don't have a stand or or

2324
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:03,600
Speaker 1: anything noisy to worry about. And if I see a

2325
01:58:03,640 --> 01:58:05,880
Speaker 1: buck bedded with a dough out there, I can I

2326
01:58:05,880 --> 01:58:07,760
Speaker 1: can crawl and stock with him. I mean, I have

2327
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:09,640
Speaker 1: everything I need to do that, Like if I had

2328
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:12,240
Speaker 1: a climbing tree stand or staying with sticks that weighs

2329
01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:15,280
Speaker 1: twenty four pounds, you know what I mean. I don't know,

2330
01:58:15,360 --> 01:58:18,040
Speaker 1: I just it just really fits my style. So that's

2331
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:21,200
Speaker 1: really been the only big gear change. But I'm I'm

2332
01:58:21,320 --> 01:58:23,760
Speaker 1: always trying to like just kind of dial things in

2333
01:58:23,880 --> 01:58:27,680
Speaker 1: and just get things quieter, eliminate anything that could go wrong,

2334
01:58:28,200 --> 01:58:30,440
Speaker 1: and just have everything really reliable. Like if I want

2335
01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:32,800
Speaker 1: my hand saw a boom, I know right where it's at.

2336
01:58:33,080 --> 01:58:35,520
Speaker 1: If I want you know, my bottle of water boom,

2337
01:58:35,560 --> 01:58:36,840
Speaker 1: I know where it's at. If I want my wind

2338
01:58:36,920 --> 01:58:39,000
Speaker 1: checker boom, I know it's in this pocket. Like I

2339
01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:40,920
Speaker 1: don't want to be like, you know, digging around and

2340
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:43,320
Speaker 1: my you know, causing extra moving up in the tree stand.

2341
01:58:43,320 --> 01:58:45,600
Speaker 1: I want everything to be right where I need it,

2342
01:58:45,640 --> 01:58:47,960
Speaker 1: even like the way I hang my bow and everything

2343
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:50,640
Speaker 1: is just so dialed in, it's always the same, you

2344
01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:52,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I want everything the same. This

2345
01:58:52,680 --> 01:58:54,560
Speaker 1: goes right back to what we talked about in a

2346
01:58:54,640 --> 01:58:58,560
Speaker 1: lot of these other episodes like this the power and

2347
01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:03,200
Speaker 1: like having the set routines and habits because it takes

2348
01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:06,880
Speaker 1: it keeps you from having to spend precious energy on

2349
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:08,760
Speaker 1: all these things that just have to get done and

2350
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:10,600
Speaker 1: get done, done, done. If you have a system in

2351
01:59:10,640 --> 01:59:13,320
Speaker 1: place that frees your mind up to focus on the

2352
01:59:13,320 --> 01:59:15,760
Speaker 1: stuff that you really need to focus on, like how

2353
01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:19,120
Speaker 1: to adapt to the changing variables or something brand new

2354
01:59:19,120 --> 01:59:20,600
Speaker 1: happens you got fair where's the buck going to be?

2355
01:59:20,720 --> 01:59:22,280
Speaker 1: Or how's my playing going to change? Or where should

2356
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:24,480
Speaker 1: be hunting. That kind of stuff is what your brain

2357
01:59:24,480 --> 01:59:28,560
Speaker 1: power should be focused on versus twenty different little decisions

2358
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:30,680
Speaker 1: about where to hang my boat and what's going to

2359
01:59:30,720 --> 01:59:33,040
Speaker 1: be in my backpack and where's my gear going to

2360
01:59:33,120 --> 01:59:34,280
Speaker 1: be in the morning when I wake up to go

2361
01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:36,480
Speaker 1: to the truck. Like all having all those things lined

2362
01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:38,160
Speaker 1: out the way you do, I think it's just a

2363
01:59:38,160 --> 01:59:42,520
Speaker 1: perfect way to eliminate air, find those little inches, let

2364
01:59:42,600 --> 01:59:44,600
Speaker 1: you spend your energy and time on the big stuff

2365
01:59:44,640 --> 01:59:47,080
Speaker 1: that you know that you have that skill to do,

2366
01:59:47,160 --> 01:59:50,640
Speaker 1: and you now get the mental space to do it too. Yeah,

2367
01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:54,040
Speaker 1: there's somebody I don't remember who it was, but I

2368
01:59:54,080 --> 01:59:55,800
Speaker 1: don't know if I read it in a book or

2369
01:59:55,880 --> 01:59:58,600
Speaker 1: online or something, but it was something that I read

2370
01:59:58,640 --> 02:00:03,240
Speaker 1: a few years ago, and it said something like, would

2371
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:05,880
Speaker 1: you have a choice to to choose the difficult thing

2372
02:00:05,960 --> 02:00:07,800
Speaker 1: or the easy thing? I always choose the difficult thing.

2373
02:00:08,360 --> 02:00:12,920
Speaker 1: So I always try to do that now. So like

2374
02:00:13,000 --> 02:00:15,760
Speaker 1: if there's a you know, if there's a tree stand

2375
02:00:15,800 --> 02:00:19,000
Speaker 1: that's a mile away or this one here that's four

2376
02:00:19,400 --> 02:00:21,840
Speaker 1: yards away, I'm gonna choose the one that's a mile away.

2377
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:24,360
Speaker 1: Or you know, like you said, you wake up in

2378
02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:27,840
Speaker 1: the morning and you don't feel like going Like I

2379
02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:30,160
Speaker 1: have those morning to mornings too. I usually get up

2380
02:00:30,200 --> 02:00:33,280
Speaker 1: and go to the gym. I actually do enjoy doing that,

2381
02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:35,200
Speaker 1: but like sometimes you just don't feel like doing it.

2382
02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:37,600
Speaker 1: But then I'll like, okay, I don't feel like doing it,

2383
02:00:37,640 --> 02:00:41,760
Speaker 1: I'm doing it. And now it's just like now it's

2384
02:00:41,800 --> 02:00:44,600
Speaker 1: just I always just choose the harder thing, you know

2385
02:00:44,640 --> 02:00:46,640
Speaker 1: what I mean. So now it's like it's just kind

2386
02:00:46,680 --> 02:00:49,320
Speaker 1: of the way I live. Um, I mean, I'm sure

2387
02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:51,680
Speaker 1: I choose the easiest things sometimes, but you know, I

2388
02:00:51,720 --> 02:00:54,280
Speaker 1: guess when it comes to this type of stuff, and like,

2389
02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, being the best I can be in improving

2390
02:00:58,040 --> 02:01:00,839
Speaker 1: and hunting and trying to stay in shape and anything

2391
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:03,280
Speaker 1: like that. It's just like, okay, if it's if it's

2392
02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:05,640
Speaker 1: the harder thing, that's what I want to do. It's

2393
02:01:05,760 --> 02:01:09,040
Speaker 1: usually the best choice. It's just hard to do it. Yeah.

2394
02:01:09,280 --> 02:01:12,280
Speaker 1: What and this is where I want to leave things.

2395
02:01:13,480 --> 02:01:17,320
Speaker 1: What is going through your mind the last night before

2396
02:01:17,400 --> 02:01:20,520
Speaker 1: hunting season opens, your first hunts in the morning, You're

2397
02:01:20,560 --> 02:01:23,800
Speaker 1: laying in bed at night, lights are off, it's quiet.

2398
02:01:24,400 --> 02:01:26,920
Speaker 1: What are the final things that you're thinking about before

2399
02:01:27,080 --> 02:01:35,520
Speaker 1: the hunting season begins. Um. Usually that's a pretty uh

2400
02:01:35,880 --> 02:01:38,680
Speaker 1: calm and relaxed time for me, because I know that

2401
02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:43,160
Speaker 1: I've done everything I could have done to be prepared. Um,

2402
02:01:43,440 --> 02:01:46,480
Speaker 1: there's usually a deer that you know I'm onto that

2403
02:01:46,520 --> 02:01:50,240
Speaker 1: I have fairly high confidence in, and having a decent

2404
02:01:50,320 --> 02:01:54,280
Speaker 1: hunt the next day. Um, it's usually a very peaceful

2405
02:01:54,720 --> 02:01:58,920
Speaker 1: time for me. Um. One thing I do not just

2406
02:01:59,040 --> 02:02:01,360
Speaker 1: that day. I actually do this every night unless I

2407
02:02:01,400 --> 02:02:03,040
Speaker 1: just kind of fall asleep before I do it. But

2408
02:02:03,080 --> 02:02:08,280
Speaker 1: it's kind of I started doing this when I m

2409
02:02:08,320 --> 02:02:10,480
Speaker 1: after I kind of got through the target panic thing.

2410
02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:13,600
Speaker 1: But I before I go to bed, I'll go through

2411
02:02:13,720 --> 02:02:18,720
Speaker 1: one scenario. I'll go through, um, a deer that I've shot,

2412
02:02:20,160 --> 02:02:22,400
Speaker 1: a deer that I haven't all right, that I shot

2413
02:02:22,440 --> 02:02:25,120
Speaker 1: at and screwed up, and then a completely made up one,

2414
02:02:26,040 --> 02:02:28,320
Speaker 1: and I go I closed my eyes and I visualized

2415
02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:31,680
Speaker 1: this encounter. So I'll close my eyes and I'll visualize

2416
02:02:31,880 --> 02:02:35,600
Speaker 1: a deer that I shot that comes in exactly what

2417
02:02:35,640 --> 02:02:37,880
Speaker 1: he's doing, you know, exactly how he did it, and

2418
02:02:37,920 --> 02:02:39,960
Speaker 1: I'll come to full draw and I'll settle the pin

2419
02:02:40,040 --> 02:02:41,960
Speaker 1: and I'll let it float and I'll just focus on

2420
02:02:42,080 --> 02:02:44,760
Speaker 1: executing the shot and making that perfect shot and seeing

2421
02:02:44,760 --> 02:02:47,520
Speaker 1: that erraw, you know, disappear right where I wanted to hit.

2422
02:02:48,240 --> 02:02:53,120
Speaker 1: So I'll relive those moments that were successful, and then

2423
02:02:53,160 --> 02:02:54,960
Speaker 1: i'll do the same thing with one that I screwed

2424
02:02:55,040 --> 02:02:57,360
Speaker 1: up on, one that I missed, one that I hit

2425
02:02:57,400 --> 02:02:59,360
Speaker 1: and wounded, you know, those ones that really kind of

2426
02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:02,280
Speaker 1: eat at you. So I'll replay that exactly how it

2427
02:03:02,320 --> 02:03:06,480
Speaker 1: played out, and I'll make that perfect shot again right

2428
02:03:06,480 --> 02:03:09,440
Speaker 1: behind the shoulder and see that arrow disappear. And then

2429
02:03:09,440 --> 02:03:12,640
Speaker 1: I'll just make up a new one, a brand new one. Um,

2430
02:03:12,680 --> 02:03:14,800
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, an elk and antelope and white

2431
02:03:14,800 --> 02:03:19,320
Speaker 1: tail or whatever and just and just visualize that. And

2432
02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:22,080
Speaker 1: I've been doing that now for I don't know, like

2433
02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:25,040
Speaker 1: eight or nine years, and I try to do that

2434
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:28,400
Speaker 1: every night. But um, usually, like you know, before the

2435
02:03:28,440 --> 02:03:31,240
Speaker 1: hunting season, Um, you know that night before is this

2436
02:03:31,480 --> 02:03:35,800
Speaker 1: like a it's kind of like a kind of rest peaceful.

2437
02:03:36,640 --> 02:03:42,880
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm prepared, um, But at the same time, UM,

2438
02:03:42,880 --> 02:03:49,560
Speaker 1: excited and you know, it's it's now that I think

2439
02:03:49,600 --> 02:03:52,680
Speaker 1: about it's actually it's kind of a it's a peaceful feeling,

2440
02:03:52,880 --> 02:03:55,480
Speaker 1: but it's also a bit of an anxious feeling because

2441
02:03:55,480 --> 02:03:57,800
Speaker 1: I know the next few months are going to be

2442
02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:01,320
Speaker 1: a lot of commitment, a lot of hard work, a

2443
02:04:01,320 --> 02:04:03,440
Speaker 1: lot of hours in the stand. It's like a it's

2444
02:04:03,480 --> 02:04:07,280
Speaker 1: like a nervous, like anxious kind of excitement. But I

2445
02:04:07,320 --> 02:04:10,520
Speaker 1: feel very peaceful and content of my preparation. Preparation. That

2446
02:04:10,600 --> 02:04:13,200
Speaker 1: makes sense, It does, absolutely makes sense. I can relate

2447
02:04:13,240 --> 02:04:15,800
Speaker 1: to that. And I feel like, listen to all this,

2448
02:04:15,960 --> 02:04:22,000
Speaker 1: you know, you prepare like a pro like there's there's

2449
02:04:22,040 --> 02:04:24,400
Speaker 1: there's a there's a book, and I haven't read the book,

2450
02:04:24,440 --> 02:04:26,680
Speaker 1: but i've read the like the prequel to this book,

2451
02:04:26,920 --> 02:04:28,720
Speaker 1: and I've read a lot of things from this person.

2452
02:04:28,840 --> 02:04:31,600
Speaker 1: He he talks about going pro with something, how there's

2453
02:04:31,640 --> 02:04:35,520
Speaker 1: a difference between having a hobby versus taking something so

2454
02:04:35,560 --> 02:04:37,800
Speaker 1: serious as if you were a professional. Let even if

2455
02:04:37,800 --> 02:04:40,520
Speaker 1: you're not really a professional. But when you make decisions

2456
02:04:40,520 --> 02:04:42,520
Speaker 1: and when you prepare, and when you put the heart

2457
02:04:42,520 --> 02:04:44,800
Speaker 1: and soul and commitment into something as if it was

2458
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:47,120
Speaker 1: what you made your living from, that's how people really

2459
02:04:47,640 --> 02:04:50,200
Speaker 1: excel at something. And maybe you know, just could be

2460
02:04:50,240 --> 02:04:52,040
Speaker 1: something you're really excited and passionate about and you want

2461
02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:54,920
Speaker 1: to excel in it, so you make those pro decisions.

2462
02:04:55,120 --> 02:04:58,480
Speaker 1: And I think the types of decisions you're making, choosing

2463
02:04:58,520 --> 02:05:00,840
Speaker 1: to do the hard things you is gonna be preparing

2464
02:05:00,880 --> 02:05:04,160
Speaker 1: all throughout the year, focusing on the minichia, focusing on

2465
02:05:04,240 --> 02:05:07,040
Speaker 1: the little steps, quantifying how to get better things. I

2466
02:05:07,080 --> 02:05:09,480
Speaker 1: think that's how you prep like a pro, and I

2467
02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:12,880
Speaker 1: think it shows obviously with your results. Um So for

2468
02:05:12,920 --> 02:05:15,600
Speaker 1: people out there who want to get better at hunting

2469
02:05:15,720 --> 02:05:18,240
Speaker 1: or whatever, they don't necessarily need to do all the

2470
02:05:18,280 --> 02:05:19,840
Speaker 1: things that you do right. Like you said, like it

2471
02:05:19,880 --> 02:05:22,080
Speaker 1: works for you, it might not be for everybody, but

2472
02:05:22,160 --> 02:05:27,240
Speaker 1: I think everyone can learn from you with the process.

2473
02:05:27,240 --> 02:05:31,240
Speaker 1: You take the level of attention you pay to the

2474
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:35,120
Speaker 1: different steps in that process. I think that's really big takeaway.

2475
02:05:35,480 --> 02:05:39,520
Speaker 1: Um and it's helpful for me and encouraging to encouraging

2476
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:42,440
Speaker 1: makes me feel lazy, but it it's inspiring me to

2477
02:05:42,480 --> 02:05:43,840
Speaker 1: do better than I do because I feel like I

2478
02:05:43,840 --> 02:05:46,360
Speaker 1: do a whole hell a lot. But there's room to

2479
02:05:46,400 --> 02:05:48,720
Speaker 1: get better. And uh, it's good to hear from people

2480
02:05:48,760 --> 02:05:51,440
Speaker 1: that can can push you. And I think you set

2481
02:05:51,480 --> 02:05:53,560
Speaker 1: an example that can push us. So so thanks for

2482
02:05:53,560 --> 02:05:56,160
Speaker 1: sharing that. Man. Yeah, there's there's always room to get

2483
02:05:56,160 --> 02:05:59,360
Speaker 1: better for everybody. And you know, the worst thing, like

2484
02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:02,160
Speaker 1: what I hate seeing two is like guys that are successful,

2485
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:05,440
Speaker 1: you know anything, but let's just kind of focus on

2486
02:06:05,480 --> 02:06:08,200
Speaker 1: deer hunting guys that you know, have had years and

2487
02:06:08,240 --> 02:06:12,280
Speaker 1: years six success that kind of get stuck in their

2488
02:06:12,280 --> 02:06:15,800
Speaker 1: ways and you could tell they're not getting better and

2489
02:06:15,840 --> 02:06:18,520
Speaker 1: in fact that sometimes sometimes they see other guys that

2490
02:06:18,560 --> 02:06:20,960
Speaker 1: are having success and they like to almost like put

2491
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:25,960
Speaker 1: those guys down because they do it differently. And um man,

2492
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:28,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just really disheartening to see that.

2493
02:06:28,600 --> 02:06:30,640
Speaker 1: You know, guys that have like really reached this high

2494
02:06:30,720 --> 02:06:33,480
Speaker 1: level is something that they've you know, dedicated, you know,

2495
02:06:33,560 --> 02:06:36,840
Speaker 1: their lifetime to only to put down a guy that's

2496
02:06:36,920 --> 02:06:39,360
Speaker 1: equally successful, that just does it a little bit different way.

2497
02:06:39,400 --> 02:06:42,880
Speaker 1: I just I don't get it um and and my

2498
02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:45,680
Speaker 1: goal is just to I just want to continue to learn.

2499
02:06:45,760 --> 02:06:48,520
Speaker 1: I don't want I don't want the greatest wall of

2500
02:06:48,560 --> 02:06:51,520
Speaker 1: all time. I don't want, you know, a bigger buck

2501
02:06:51,560 --> 02:06:53,600
Speaker 1: than you, or a bigger buck than my buddies or

2502
02:06:53,640 --> 02:06:57,120
Speaker 1: anybody else. I just I want to continue learning, and

2503
02:06:57,120 --> 02:07:01,160
Speaker 1: I want to get the better. It's more of like, uh,

2504
02:07:01,640 --> 02:07:05,040
Speaker 1: like a competition with myself, you know, I wanna, I wanna.

2505
02:07:05,720 --> 02:07:08,800
Speaker 1: I just want to. I can't. I don't. I don't

2506
02:07:08,840 --> 02:07:11,160
Speaker 1: know I would ever feel right just being like, okay,

2507
02:07:11,480 --> 02:07:14,440
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm pretty decent at this. We're just

2508
02:07:14,440 --> 02:07:17,080
Speaker 1: gonna kind of level it out and go from there

2509
02:07:17,080 --> 02:07:18,960
Speaker 1: and just kind of, you know, kill some nice deer

2510
02:07:18,960 --> 02:07:21,000
Speaker 1: every year. I don't know. It's just I think some

2511
02:07:21,040 --> 02:07:25,600
Speaker 1: people's minds are are made different that they just it

2512
02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:27,720
Speaker 1: probably has something to do with what you're passionate about,

2513
02:07:27,800 --> 02:07:29,920
Speaker 1: and you know what you love and and for me

2514
02:07:30,120 --> 02:07:32,720
Speaker 1: and you, this is certainly it. So it's just like

2515
02:07:32,760 --> 02:07:35,200
Speaker 1: we have that that kind of drive to improve. But

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Speaker 1: I feel like there's something you can learn from everybody,

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Speaker 1: Like I've learned from you, and I've learned from some

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Speaker 1: of these guys that I talked about that I've had

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Speaker 1: years and year success. I don't ever want to lose that.

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Speaker 1: Like you can learn from the guy that killed a

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Speaker 1: big buck right down the road. I always want to

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Speaker 1: hear that story from the guy that didn't know what

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Speaker 1: he's doing, because you're gonna learn something from it, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I always take the time to sit down and

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Speaker 1: talk to those guys, and there's always bits and pieces

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Speaker 1: you can you know, you can take from those that

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Speaker 1: you can you know, incorporate into your own knowledge. And uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think can really help you. I think

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Speaker 1: you are spot on with that one. And um, we've

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Speaker 1: talked for a long time. I can't believe how long

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Speaker 1: we talked. There was there was a lot of good

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Speaker 1: stuff in there. So we're gonna wrap it up. Um,

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Speaker 1: we'll have to get get you back on here again.

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Speaker 1: I know we've got plans to do that. And UM,

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Speaker 1: I know we've been talking about some plans. Maybe we

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Speaker 1: can try to do a hunt again this fall. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we should. All right, let's talk against him, all right,

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Speaker 1: And that's gonna do it. I hope you enjoyed this episode,

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Speaker 1: and if you did, if you enjoy what Andy had

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Speaker 1: to say. He has a lot more to share, and

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Speaker 1: he's been a guest on the podcast several different times

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Speaker 1: over the past few years. To go back through the

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Speaker 1: wire Dune podcast archives, look up Andy May. He's a

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Speaker 1: good friend, a really really good deer hunter, and someone

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02:08:49,440 --> 02:08:52,760
Speaker 1: who I think has a particular knack for sharing what

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Speaker 1: he does and how he does it in a way

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Speaker 1: that um that can help people, and that I think

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Speaker 1: is is not intimidating. It's easily consumed, which is which

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Speaker 1: is why I've learned so much from too. So take

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Speaker 1: a look at those other episodes, Enjoy them, Enjoy your weekend,

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Speaker 1: enjoy your day, And as we've been talking about, there's

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Speaker 1: lots to be doing. So hopefully you're out there in

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Speaker 1: the field practicing with your bow or hanging tree stands

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02:09:14,200 --> 02:09:16,880
Speaker 1: or playing food plots, are doing something to get ready

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Speaker 1: for hunting season, because before you know it, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be here. So until then, stay wired to hunt.