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Speaker 1: I'm Kevin's Really Cheap Washington correspondent from Bloomberg Television and

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. We're here with HUD Secretary Dr Ben Carson

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Speaker 1: on the National Mall for Housing initiative. We heard earlier

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Speaker 1: in the program about all of the different policy angles.

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Speaker 1: But Dr Carson, I've covered you now for several years

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Speaker 1: back on the campaign trail, criss crossing the country, and

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Speaker 1: here we are on the National Mall, and I'm struck.

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Speaker 1: I mean, for you personally and in your entire career,

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Speaker 1: this must be personal for you. How so, well, it's

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Speaker 1: very personal for me because you know, I grew up

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Speaker 1: in dire poverty. I was always listening to people who

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Speaker 1: are concerned about their housing, where they were going to

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Speaker 1: end up, where their children were going to end up.

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Speaker 1: So it's very personal for me, and it's one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons that I'm focusing a lot of attention on

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Speaker 1: the perverse and sentives that exists in um. Such a

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Speaker 1: nice house and if you make more money and you

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Speaker 1: have to report that so your rent can go up,

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Speaker 1: it's not much of an incentive to make more money,

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Speaker 1: or you bring an income producing person into your household,

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Speaker 1: you have to report it so your rent can go up,

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Speaker 1: don't even think about getting married, and that creates a

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Speaker 1: lot of dysfunction in our society. We have to remove

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Speaker 1: those barriers in addition to doing other things, so that

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Speaker 1: when somebody starts to climb that ladder of success, we

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Speaker 1: don't just yank it out from underneath them, because every

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Speaker 1: people are looking and they say, I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: climb that ladder, and that's how we end up with dependency.

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Speaker 1: And it would you like your legacy to be a

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Speaker 1: such secretary? Well, I don't worries so much about my legacy,

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Speaker 1: but I do want HUNT the Agency to be seen

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Speaker 1: as an agency that helps to set people on a

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Speaker 1: trajectory for success, rather than one that just harbors people.

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Speaker 1: Final question, what is something that people don't know about

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Speaker 1: President Donald Trump? When you're in a one on one setting,

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Speaker 1: what would people be surprised to know? He has a

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Speaker 1: wonderful sense of humor. Give me an example. Uh, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I want to share some of the things.

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Speaker 1: But but also you know, he's an intense desire for

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Speaker 1: this country to succeed. And I was writing writing with

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Speaker 1: him and the beasts the other day and uh, he

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Speaker 1: started talking about the people who wanted us to remove

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Speaker 1: and God we trust from our money, and he said

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Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen as long as I'm here, Hot Secretary. Then, Carson,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you coming on Bloomberg and for sticking around

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Speaker 1: for the sound on Extra on Bloomberg Radio.