Speaker 1: R and B Money. We are thank Valotility. We are
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Speaker 1: I named Tank Valentine. This is R and B Money
Speaker 1: Podcast is the authority on all things R and B. See,
Speaker 1: y'all thought we was old. Y'all thought we wasn't tapped
Speaker 1: in with the youth. You understand what I'm saying. Relax, Relax,
Speaker 1: you know what. It's still tapped in with the youth movement.
Speaker 1: The Undercurta is moving this thing. Our bright future is
Speaker 1: in the building. We're talking about talent off the charts,
Speaker 1: beauty off the charts. She's got everything happening, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna get it to her. I said youthful because I
Speaker 1: am youthful, because youth is in the building. Give it up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm good. I feel great.
Speaker 3: I've just been in such a chill place. I know
Speaker 3: when I came in here, You're like, you came in
Speaker 3: here all chill. But that's how I am. Life is
Speaker 3: just good and I feel happy. I don't get too excited.
Speaker 3: I don't get sad so much anymore. I'm just yelling just.
Speaker 1: Kind of good balance. Yeah, as you can see, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm always happy. Yeah, and we're happy to have you here.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1: Thank you for you know, taking the time, you know,
Speaker 1: because I know you're moving and grooving. The last time
Speaker 1: I saw you, you know, you was you was in Paris,
Speaker 1: just you know, just you know, just just doing your
Speaker 1: things life when you're fashion, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: being the life of the party. We were at a
Speaker 1: at a party. We were at Kanye's party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, out there and yeah it was interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, interesting is a great word.
Speaker 2: It was definitely interesting.
Speaker 1: It was a great word.
Speaker 2: I wasn't, but you know me, I was in and out.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was. I was there, you know, my
Speaker 1: kids were second choir and prior of the show. And
Speaker 1: then there was a rave.
Speaker 2: Then there was a rave. The dji a raver, but
Speaker 2: not that rave.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The DJs were fire though.
Speaker 2: No, the dj was cool.
Speaker 1: They had like because they had like I guess like, but.
Speaker 2: You know, I wasn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't even stay long enough to like actually experience
Speaker 3: what the DJs were doing. To be quite honest, I
Speaker 3: just like I was also exhausted because I was out
Speaker 3: there for a while too, So I was just like
Speaker 3: I just came to people scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were just in Paris for a minute, just
Speaker 1: relaxing because I.
Speaker 3: Don't get to spend much time out there, I feel like,
Speaker 3: because I'm always working and I have things here to do,
Speaker 3: like in the States, so I don't get to go
Speaker 3: to Europe a lot, maybe like once a year maybe,
Speaker 3: so especially since like COVID and all of that.
Speaker 2: So it was really nice to be out there and.
Speaker 3: Just experience all the restaurants and see some friends that
Speaker 3: I haven't seen in a while.
Speaker 1: And how many times have you been to Paris?
Speaker 2: Three?
Speaker 1: Three times? And what do you how do you feel?
Speaker 1: Because I know as an R and B singer, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like going out there and and
Speaker 1: and especially in that overseas market, like they're like there's
Speaker 1: a different kind of love, oh yeah, and appreciation for
Speaker 1: what we do over there. And I didn't go with
Speaker 1: my younger.
Speaker 3: Years, I think in Europe honestly, in a lot of places.
Speaker 3: I just did like a couple back to back interviews
Speaker 3: yesterday with some Asian markets and outlets out there, and
Speaker 3: like I think because there's so many different genres of
Speaker 3: music here like in the States, and artists like so
Speaker 3: many more artists here. I don't know, maybe I'm like
Speaker 3: speaking just pretymaturely.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 3: There's just such a different level of appreciation for music overseas.
Speaker 2: I feel like here in the States.
Speaker 3: We're just used to it, we expect it, we get
Speaker 3: over it quickly, and I.
Speaker 1: Mean we created it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like in in Europe, like in London, in Paris,
Speaker 3: like when they get us, they're like, please don't leave
Speaker 3: or like and they just like are more focused on
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, but like even in
Speaker 3: London too, like just when I'm when I have worked
Speaker 3: in London with producers and songwriters out there, it's just
Speaker 3: like a.
Speaker 2: Different level of like focus that they have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we what's my guy? What was you talking about?
Speaker 1: Was it Dave? Dave Russell? Wasn't Dave Russell from England engineer,
Speaker 1: but just he's this guy? And then is Richard first
Speaker 1: from London, Teresa's guy.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's from London, but he's from UK,
Speaker 4: from the UK for sure.
Speaker 1: But like even just a different appreciate, different appreciation, different
Speaker 1: approach to like how they sonically make.
Speaker 3: Things fixed, I mean low key, they're kind of killing
Speaker 3: it when it comes to like the music.
Speaker 1: And then even there, even they don't fire.
Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, I'm wondering when they're gonna let a
Speaker 4: black American play in English? Black Englishman.
Speaker 1: Gotta nil that? Is that going to happen? You gotta
Speaker 1: nail that accent?
Speaker 2: As Americans, we are spoiled.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because here's the thing, right, so we don't as
Speaker 1: as the spoiled speaks. Right as the spoiled speaks, we
Speaker 1: don't necessarily take that big of an interest in other cultures,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because we're we're in a
Speaker 1: we're in a sense we've always, in a sense, been
Speaker 1: at the forefront. We've been the leaders of it. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying in terms of culture and swag
Speaker 1: and all of these things, and entertainment for that matter.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Denzel could have been James Bond.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Denzel is also Jesus. So you're
Speaker 1: asking them wrong. I'm biased.
Speaker 2: You know what wants? Maybe did he want?
Speaker 4: Did he Denzel? Did you want to be James Bond?
Speaker 1: I saw Another Night. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You niggas was already talking about Paris.
Speaker 1: Now you're talking about No, mean, I didn't.
Speaker 2: Washington.
Speaker 1: I wasn't with him. Okay, let me correct that. I
Speaker 1: I hung out with him before shout out to Jamie Fox.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I was in the right
Speaker 1: room and he was over there and sitting on the floor,
Speaker 1: and then I was sitting right here, two rolls back
Speaker 1: from the floor, and then he saw me, and then
Speaker 1: I said, I hit him with that. He said, he
Speaker 1: gave me that. What is that? See you your fellows? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, I see you your felling black people saw
Speaker 1: this is okay, trying to take him.
Speaker 5: To tell me it was black people.
Speaker 1: Tell me, don't moment away from me. He saw me,
Speaker 1: you seen me, He knew meel.
Speaker 3: You know what's so crazy. I had a moment like
Speaker 3: that with Beyonce in Paris. It was so crazy because
Speaker 3: I was with my friend and she was like, let's
Speaker 3: go say to Beyonce because she had.
Speaker 2: Like a Renaissance club Renaissance in Paris. Said.
Speaker 3: I was like freaking out obviously, and so I'm just like,
Speaker 3: you know what, let me just like I'm not going
Speaker 3: to be invading the space, like I'm just gonna I'm
Speaker 3: so happy to be in this room. And so my
Speaker 3: friend's like, let's go say hi to be and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I just I don't. I don't think she knows who
Speaker 3: I am. Like, I just I don't feel comfortable just
Speaker 3: walking up to her, like hey, what's up. And as
Speaker 3: soon as I said that, she like walked towards me
Speaker 3: and said hey. And I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: this is such a crazy party, right, It's crazy.
Speaker 2: It's her party and like crazy and I was like, okay, bye,
Speaker 2: I just didn't know what that say.
Speaker 1: I like, that is fun. It's such a crazy party, right,
Speaker 1: And I was just lit.
Speaker 2: The rest of the night.
Speaker 3: They literally have a video on my phone with me
Speaker 3: screaming in the streets. Someone said something and I was like.
Speaker 1: Don't baby, call.
Speaker 2: Like I don't even phone. You know, you can't call
Speaker 2: someone else.
Speaker 1: You can't call because I think it's like she does.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like even Beyonce, even people on that level,
Speaker 1: you you be surprised how human and regularly cool they are.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, even when I saw the Zel, like
Speaker 1: I've seen him before, but I doubt it. I doubted
Speaker 1: if he remembered me. You know what, I'm saying, but
Speaker 1: it was still like, you know, he was the one
Speaker 1: guy that I was kind of like it like a
Speaker 1: little nervous about it.
Speaker 4: You don't thinknzil her sex.
Speaker 1: I hope, So you know what I'm saying, I hope,
Speaker 1: So you know, I hope that's what that head Nott
Speaker 1: was like, I like you, I like your tunes. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But it's like you never know.
Speaker 1: But it's like it's just like a.
Speaker 2: Respect thing too.
Speaker 3: Like I think it's awesome when there's people that you know,
Speaker 3: we either put on like such a high pedestal or
Speaker 3: we like admire, like in their craft, and to have
Speaker 3: that sort of like recognition as artists as well too.
Speaker 3: It just gives us that, you know, like pat on
Speaker 3: the shoulder, to be like I see you and like
Speaker 3: you are like, yeah, I get.
Speaker 1: It, I get it.
Speaker 4: I treat everybody saying I just I don't know any
Speaker 4: other way.
Speaker 1: No, no, I get that reverse.
Speaker 3: It's just awesome to have that kind of like it's
Speaker 3: not not co sign.
Speaker 1: But just that like you you're doing your thing, I
Speaker 1: see you doing your things. You'm up here doing my thing,
Speaker 1: but I see.
Speaker 2: You that acknowledge.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know, just in meeting people of
Speaker 4: you know, of all classes. I think especially people who
Speaker 4: have become very famous, they need normalcy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And I think that it's watching people, watching people freak
Speaker 4: out sometimes kind of like for them, it's like, damn,
Speaker 4: like I just kind of wanted to be cool, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. So you know ship, I mean
Speaker 4: my first time when I first came, I moved to
Speaker 4: LA and I'm eighteen, I meet my idol babyface.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's up, nigga. Damie Thomas was like, you
Speaker 1: can't do that. I'm like, everybody's cool, but he's also
Speaker 1: kind of skewed. You know what I'm saying, because you
Speaker 1: know this this guy was hanging out with Michael Jackson and.
Speaker 2: No, but that's that's not what I was saying.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like as like for me, for me,
Speaker 3: like working with Timbaland or him like acknowledging that.
Speaker 2: He sorry, just stop calling me.
Speaker 3: Just him being like acknowledging me as an artist just
Speaker 3: gave me that reassurance that like, because you know, as
Speaker 3: as artists and just humans, we can like go through
Speaker 3: periods of like doubt or like am I doing the
Speaker 3: right thing, like, like especially me, like I've been doing
Speaker 3: this for like a minute now, and like it's awesome
Speaker 3: that I'm experiencing what for me is like my first
Speaker 3: real moment where so many people are like discovering my
Speaker 3: music because of a platform or I'm like TikTok.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, it's been rediscovery for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, rediscovery song came out almost ten years ago now,
Speaker 3: and it's like people are listening to it like it's.
Speaker 2: A brand new song, which.
Speaker 3: For me is just like wow, Like good music is timeless.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if it came out in twenty fourteen
Speaker 3: or or whatever. And so I'm just I already was
Speaker 3: in that space before my song Collide started to gain
Speaker 3: this recognition on TikTok, but it just gave me that
Speaker 3: extra like pat on the back, and sometimes you need
Speaker 3: that in life because I'm sure like people didn't even
Speaker 3: like know that. But I was like going through a
Speaker 3: space of like is this the right thing that I
Speaker 3: should be doing? Like should I be doing music? Should
Speaker 3: I like think about something else?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: And I talked myself off that ledge and I was
Speaker 3: like getting back into that space before this happened, but
Speaker 3: it really just like reassured me this year started off
Speaker 3: like so amazing, and I've just been like grateful for
Speaker 3: like everything that's been happening.
Speaker 4: So let's get into today. Let's get into Let's get
Speaker 4: into the beginning, as Tank would like to say, where
Speaker 4: it all started.
Speaker 1: It all started, because I mean.
Speaker 4: I know you from being a very small key because
Speaker 4: of your mom.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Your mom is my homie, been my homie for a
Speaker 4: long time, amazing attorney executive, all the cool ship and
Speaker 4: shout out to Nova. I think we locked her out
Speaker 4: because we won't want her darted. It's not your mom's
Speaker 4: friend doing an episode. Okay, all right, but let's start.
Speaker 4: Let's start from the beginning with you, like where this
Speaker 4: all kicked off. How would you say, what's your intro
Speaker 4: to it?
Speaker 1: When was the first time someone said to you you
Speaker 1: have something special? You said to yourself, I think I
Speaker 1: have something special?
Speaker 3: Always from like elementary school, Yeah, it was right in
Speaker 3: here though. Matter of fact, No, I just knew that
Speaker 3: I wanted to be an artist.
Speaker 2: I knew that I wanted to whether it was.
Speaker 3: Like I was lady into like musical theater like when
Speaker 3: I was younger, because I was like, I want to
Speaker 3: be an actress too, and I want to be a singer,
Speaker 3: like I know I can sing. And I remember I
Speaker 3: was graduating elementary school and they were giving out like
Speaker 3: the singer the best singer of the year or of
Speaker 3: the class.
Speaker 1: And it.
Speaker 2: Was just a public school, but they had like the
Speaker 2: performance arts. Like I went to school in Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: So and they gave it to this girl and she
Speaker 3: didn't sing at all, like she didn't even really talk.
Speaker 3: So I was so confused as to how she could
Speaker 3: win Singer of the Year. And I was furious, and
Speaker 3: it just like lit a fire undeath me.
Speaker 2: I was like okay. I was like okay.
Speaker 3: So then in middle school, I went to performing arts
Speaker 3: school in Brooklyn and then I was like, I'm going
Speaker 3: to be in the choir. And I went so hard
Speaker 3: to try to be in the choir. They didn't let
Speaker 3: me in. Didn't let me in the choir. I don't
Speaker 3: know me in school, just don't have a good like
Speaker 3: a history, just me and the public school system. So
Speaker 3: then I was like, all right, well I forget you
Speaker 3: then and then I went into theater and then every
Speaker 3: time they only did musicals and I would just go
Speaker 3: so hard, and like because my theater teacher knew that
Speaker 3: I could sing, so he would always want to give
Speaker 3: me the singing parts. And the choir teacher, who was
Speaker 3: also involved in it, she just hated.
Speaker 2: She hated on me for whatever reason.
Speaker 3: And I was just like, well, man, now I'm the ladybug, so.
Speaker 1: What do you do?
Speaker 2: And it was just all.
Speaker 4: And enjoy that ladybug.
Speaker 1: She was.
Speaker 3: It was like the Ladybugs were kind of like the
Speaker 3: dream Girls and I was. And so that was like
Speaker 3: a full I don't know, I don't know where these
Speaker 3: schools got all this to put these plays on in Likelyn,
Speaker 3: but that was a full production. And so then I
Speaker 3: went to high school and I got into the choir,
Speaker 3: but the teacher did.
Speaker 1: Not like me. What were you?
Speaker 3: I just wanted to sing? And so I'm just like
Speaker 3: he would never give me a solo.
Speaker 4: Were you're walking in like I'm here, Well why would
Speaker 4: you not? Because okay, all right, because I was confidence, yes,
Speaker 4: but you gotta understand, obviously you're an adult now, but
Speaker 4: as a kid, you don't understand this is that most
Speaker 4: people who are teachers are people who really wanted to
Speaker 4: do it. Something happened and now they you know, they
Speaker 4: still love it and they're teaching.
Speaker 1: So when they when you walk in with all that confidence, lady,
Speaker 1: but like, hey man, get her to.
Speaker 3: My high school choir teacher was definitely like bitter. But
Speaker 3: then we were learning a lot of music theory, like
Speaker 3: things that I probably don't like incorporate into like my
Speaker 3: life now, but I just wanted to. Like we were
Speaker 3: singing opera, so I was like, I he was like,
Speaker 3: you're going to be a tenor, and I'm like, what,
Speaker 3: I can sing everything. I was like, well, I wanted
Speaker 3: to be a soprano. And then he was like, no,
Speaker 3: you're a tenor. You're there, and I'm just like that's crazy.
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, actually I can sing baritone too,
Speaker 3: So like.
Speaker 4: I was just.
Speaker 1: It's starting to come out the more started.
Speaker 2: I wasn't saying it.
Speaker 3: Like that, I'm saying it now like that, but I
Speaker 3: was just like, hey, like I can do more than
Speaker 3: just this, like don't box me in.
Speaker 2: He was like, you're gonna do what I tell.
Speaker 4: You to do, and which is fair too, which is fair,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like you don't want to
Speaker 4: be boxing.
Speaker 3: I was trying to be like a teacher's pet because
Speaker 3: I just wanted like he just didn't.
Speaker 2: But also he was just like angry. He was angry man.
Speaker 3: And so then the one time he gave me a solo,
Speaker 3: he knew I was sick.
Speaker 2: He knew I was sick.
Speaker 3: And then I remember I was sitting in like the
Speaker 3: court yard or whatever. We had a performance and I
Speaker 3: cracked and I just cried and I ran away. My
Speaker 3: voice cracked and I just cried and I ran away.
Speaker 3: And then I was like another villain story wasn't invented.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh wow, yeah, this will never happen
Speaker 3: to me again. And so then I got a vocal
Speaker 3: coach and my mom like, I was like, this is
Speaker 3: what I want to do, regardless of all that work
Speaker 3: that I did, like I went to like summer programs
Speaker 3: or whatever, but then I started to I asked my mom.
Speaker 3: I was like, I want to be a singer, and
Speaker 3: she was like, you know, most parents in the in
Speaker 3: the industry, they're just like no, They're like I'm not.
Speaker 2: I don't want you to be a part of this.
Speaker 3: It's like a brutal experience and they don't want their
Speaker 3: kids to have to go through these things because they
Speaker 3: see it firsthand. Yeah, And I was like, okay, whatever.
Speaker 3: Now I'm on the internet. I'm on Tumblr. I'm developing
Speaker 3: my own like you go find it yourself. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: on my own. I create my own world, and this
Speaker 3: whole community of like New York Tumblr kids, and we're
Speaker 3: just like running around the city. Like now I can
Speaker 3: hang out in the city, and.
Speaker 2: I'm like, how are you this time?
Speaker 3: I'm like sixteen seventeen, and I'm no longer. Oh no,
Speaker 3: I was still in school at the time, but I
Speaker 3: was like I was in high school but like tenth grade.
Speaker 3: And then I started to develop like a fan base
Speaker 3: pretty much on Tumblr by just you know, just being
Speaker 3: weird and quirky and experimenting with my look. And then
Speaker 3: like I started to make covers on YouTube and just
Speaker 3: singing and like showing that I could sing, and then
Speaker 3: people started to like find out. And I think I
Speaker 3: was at a BMI panel one time with my mom
Speaker 3: and because she would always bring me to these events,
Speaker 3: and they were doing a Q and A. It was
Speaker 3: like Lorienne Gibson and like a bunch of other people.
Speaker 3: I can't remember like who else was up there. I
Speaker 3: just remember because how could.
Speaker 2: You ever forget lorient.
Speaker 1: But so remember yeah, Remember.
Speaker 3: So I stood on the line for the Q and A,
Speaker 3: and I was like, can I sing?
Speaker 2: Like this seems like the right room just singing.
Speaker 1: You didn't tell your mother you do this at all?
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, And so I just stood in the line
Speaker 3: and I was like, can I sing? And then they
Speaker 3: were like yeah, and I sang this song called Black
Speaker 3: and Gold by Sam Sparrow, and then everyone there was
Speaker 3: like a room full of people who wanted to figure
Speaker 3: out how to be a part of the industry, whether
Speaker 3: it's producer or like executive or whatever, and so so
Speaker 3: many people then like ran up to me and my
Speaker 3: mom after like do you have a manager?
Speaker 2: Like do you have a producer? Do you ever? Like
Speaker 2: what are you doing? And then my mom was like okay.
Speaker 3: And then as I started to like build this fan
Speaker 3: base on Tumblr, people started to like reach out and
Speaker 3: wanted to work with me, and so my mom then
Speaker 3: put me in with someone that she knew and trusted
Speaker 3: at the time, and I started to just like, uh,
Speaker 3: make original music, like you know, work with some writers
Speaker 3: and producers. And I was still in high school, but
Speaker 3: then it was becoming difficult. So then I started to
Speaker 3: get homeschooled, because like I would be in the studio
Speaker 3: really late and we were trying to get me a
Speaker 3: record deal, and it was so funny because I would
Speaker 3: go all the labels and like, now that I think
Speaker 3: about it, I'm so embarrassed.
Speaker 2: But I'd be like in fun of like Lee or
Speaker 2: Cohen and like all.
Speaker 3: These I think even La Read and like dancing and
Speaker 3: singing and like doing this whole stupid little show. And
Speaker 3: they were like, hmm, she's cute. And my spirit was
Speaker 3: so crushed because I'm so young, just like standing in
Speaker 3: front of these people like pick me, and then they're
Speaker 3: like no, and I'm like all right, fine, and I
Speaker 3: just developed. Actually I was younger than that. I was younger.
Speaker 3: I wasn't like seventeen at that time. I was probably
Speaker 3: like fourteen fifteen.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so would that again, No, why not give because
Speaker 4: we want the audience to understand the process.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Also, times are so different now. I think that when
Speaker 3: I was first starting, like there was still this I
Speaker 3: guess old school mentality at like record labels and like
Speaker 3: artist development, and like that's not necessarily a thing anymore
Speaker 3: because we have platforms like TikTok or Instagram right now
Speaker 3: and YouTube where so many people are kind of just
Speaker 3: becoming like overnight like sensations, just because.
Speaker 2: I think that it's both.
Speaker 3: I think that there's pros and cons to it because now,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of just strange because everyone like
Speaker 3: thinks that they're like a rapper and artists. And I
Speaker 3: think that it's great that people like obviously everyone loves music.
Speaker 3: It's a universal language, so people if you have the
Speaker 3: ability to make music, like, why wouldn't you? And then
Speaker 3: there's platforms where like it can reach people hundreds millions
Speaker 3: of people, like in a second, so why would you
Speaker 3: not share that? And I think that there's a difference
Speaker 3: between people who just enjoy like making music and then
Speaker 3: people who like want to be a star, because even
Speaker 3: and I learned that very early on, like just with
Speaker 3: working with a bunch of songwriters, because I'm like, these
Speaker 3: people are so talented, like why aren't they like celebrities?
Speaker 2: Why aren't they like bigger? Like why aren't they superstars?
Speaker 3: And it's just everyone doesn't want to be that, you know,
Speaker 3: like you can be talented and creative and like have
Speaker 3: all these ideas, but not everybody to be in front
Speaker 3: of the camera and to be like the face of
Speaker 3: it all, Like you really have to have tough skin.
Speaker 3: And that's what I think is a dangerous part of
Speaker 3: that people aren't really like aware of, especially like the
Speaker 3: kids who like are just like putting out songs online,
Speaker 3: and like when it comes like mental health, it's like
Speaker 3: they're not prepared for that. Like not everybody has that
Speaker 3: thick of skin to be in this industry to that capacity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I would, I would kind of dare to say.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure what I'm not sure which part you're
Speaker 1: saying you would do differently, But I think you having
Speaker 1: those moments of disappointment, but you still going through your routine,
Speaker 1: You still going through your act and step act and
Speaker 1: stepping up and just you know, but it really prepared
Speaker 1: you and and it hardened you in a way to
Speaker 1: where once you get into really get into this, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, you gotta have a tough out
Speaker 1: of shelter. Those blows keep coming, they don't stop, they
Speaker 1: don't stop. It gets the blows get heavier. Actually, yeah, because.
Speaker 4: As he continues to grow in this thing, yeah, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the bag is heavier and the losses are heavier.
Speaker 1: You know what, I mean, so it's like you you
Speaker 1: were you were courageous very early. I'll give you that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, my mom she's taught me to be
Speaker 3: to be that way. But you're right, I guess I
Speaker 3: wouldn't change anything, honestly because everything that I went through
Speaker 3: from a young age, through this industry, through the labels
Speaker 3: that I've been at, and now being independent, like, it's
Speaker 3: all made me the woman and the artist that I
Speaker 3: am today and right now even though I've I got
Speaker 3: signed to the first label when I was seventeen and
Speaker 3: I'm twenty seven now, so that's ten years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I feel like just so refreshed and like new
Speaker 3: because I'm so much more sure of who I am
Speaker 3: just as a human and as an artist, and I
Speaker 3: know what I like. And I went through all these
Speaker 3: things where I listened to everyone because I thought that
Speaker 3: they knew it was best for me. And now I'm
Speaker 3: just like when I'm in the studio, I have just
Speaker 3: such a different energy and love because there was a
Speaker 3: certain point where I just felt like I was just
Speaker 3: doing homework or doing like a science project when I
Speaker 3: was recording a song, and like.
Speaker 2: Whenever I would write, they would be like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: not good.
Speaker 3: It's not good, instead of like having a team around
Speaker 3: me that encouraged me to be better, but to get
Speaker 3: my ideas like out right, you know. And I think
Speaker 3: that I don't take anything personal obviously, like this is
Speaker 3: this industry. I learned that from young and like I'm
Speaker 3: sure like my mom kind of like prepared me for
Speaker 3: that as well too, and also tried to protect me
Speaker 3: as much as she could from the evils. But I
Speaker 3: think now at this age that I'm at and the
Speaker 3: space that I'm in in life, I'm so beyond excited,
Speaker 3: And a.
Speaker 2: Lot of people.
Speaker 3: Probably would think that at this point I'd be jaded,
Speaker 3: you know, and are like tired of it. But I
Speaker 3: always I have this saying where it's like if your
Speaker 3: favorite artist gave up when things got too hard, they
Speaker 3: wouldn't be your favorite artist today. And I fully believe that.
Speaker 3: And there's so many examples, like and even artists who
Speaker 3: are just receiving their flowers for that I've been following
Speaker 3: for a while, like whether it's Doja Cat, I've been
Speaker 3: looking at her since like SoundCloud days on Tumblr and
Speaker 3: even Sizza, Like I've been listening to all these art
Speaker 3: even Kendrick.
Speaker 2: I've listening.
Speaker 3: I've been listening to all these people from like The
Speaker 3: Jump and The Weekend and everyone, Like it's just like,
Speaker 3: that's why I have such an a love for it
Speaker 3: because I see, like what happens when you stay the
Speaker 3: course and when you fully believe in yourself and when
Speaker 3: you create a team around you that can you know,
Speaker 3: help you bring your dreams to fruition.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's dope. At twenty seven? Let me think, was
Speaker 1: that on the bench at twenty seven? I think, so, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have been benched. I have been benched.
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Put on the shelf? Put on the shelf?
Speaker 4: I mean we you know, we we connected to sports. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we both grew up playing sports. So it's like everything
Speaker 4: with us with music, we look at it in a
Speaker 4: sports way too, you know what I mean. But he
Speaker 4: was on the shelf after having a hit record, hit album,
Speaker 4: having labeled dispute.
Speaker 3: Well that's why I also like when I first like
Speaker 3: became independent, I was so scared because I'd been like
Speaker 3: I've been in Atlantic, I've been at rock Nation, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, what do I do?
Speaker 2: Like, how do I do this?
Speaker 3: Like the biggest Yeah, So I'm just like, what do
Speaker 3: you like when you have people like Charlie walk in
Speaker 3: your face like you're three minutes away, and like everyone's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you got this, and I'm like, well no, I'm independent,
Speaker 3: so yeah, and I was like, I was so scared,
Speaker 3: and I was like, how do I even like get
Speaker 3: in with producers?
Speaker 1: Like how did you make that turn? Though? What what
Speaker 1: made you go from from Atlantic in the rock Nation
Speaker 1: and all of these buildings to becoming your own buildings? Well?
Speaker 3: I was with Atlantic for three years, and you know,
Speaker 3: things weren't going as I expect them to have gone
Speaker 3: in the in that three year span, and you know,
Speaker 3: so we parted ways due to some things and it
Speaker 3: was fine. And then obviously I like, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: from Brooklyn, so like, and my mom's obviously from Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: So we had like connections over at rock Nation and
Speaker 3: that was just like so cool to me to be like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm a Brooklyn girls side a jay Z.
Speaker 3: And so I was there and a lot of interesting
Speaker 3: things happened there as well too.
Speaker 2: I got to work with.
Speaker 3: The Dream and Tricky on a project and and it
Speaker 3: was just really an awesome experience that I learned too
Speaker 3: I would go into that office every day like I
Speaker 3: was going to school, like what are we doing? Like,
Speaker 3: and after being with them for three years too, like
Speaker 3: I just wasn't in the place that I wanted to
Speaker 3: be yet. And so my mother and I we just
Speaker 3: took a risk in wanting to be independent. And it
Speaker 3: was scary at first, especially financially too. Ye, that is
Speaker 3: the toughest part of being independent, just finding you are
Speaker 3: the bank. Yeah, no, you are the bank.
Speaker 1: You are the bank.
Speaker 3: And then the building a team around you of people
Speaker 3: because and you have to like outsourcings like a publicist, and.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of favorites. But then I realized too.
Speaker 3: We even did a song together, remember that one time
Speaker 3: that we had that session, put it out on SoundCloud.
Speaker 3: That was me like finding that getting into my songwriting pocket.
Speaker 3: But it was the greatest decision I could have ever
Speaker 3: made because it just taught me more about myself. And
Speaker 3: I also realized like in being an art like when
Speaker 3: you're signed to a label, you're kind of like sheltered,
Speaker 3: You're so like baby, That's was my experience where it's
Speaker 3: like your A and R is setting up the sessions
Speaker 3: for you, Like I'm not developing relationships with these producers
Speaker 3: or these other artists that I'm working with and these songwriters,
Speaker 3: I'm just like showing up. Yeah, I'm just like showing up.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, that's not And all my peers that
Speaker 3: I'm like friends with, I'm like, that's not their experience,
Speaker 3: Like why is that my exper I'm just doing homework.
Speaker 3: And that's why I was like falling out of love
Speaker 3: with this whole cycle and being so disappointed when things
Speaker 3: didn't work out. Where it's like now like I'm so
Speaker 3: proud of the work that I'm doing, regardless of how
Speaker 3: anyone feels about it, because I know what went into
Speaker 3: this and the whole process, and.
Speaker 1: I don't want to interrupt you, but that's that's that's
Speaker 1: a that's kind of crazy, right, because most artists enjoy
Speaker 1: the pampered stay the coddling, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: where they're being weighted on hand and foot and just
Speaker 1: you know, make sure my per diem is and tell
Speaker 1: them I want this at the studio and then they
Speaker 1: just you know, and you, on the other hand, are
Speaker 1: like you didn't feel hands on enough to understand how
Speaker 1: the earth was moving around.
Speaker 2: You time I was like.
Speaker 3: I won't say who obviously, but I was with an
Speaker 3: artist and I was in a session and I.
Speaker 2: Was like so excited. I'm like, oh my god, you
Speaker 2: have like a violinist.
Speaker 3: Here, like you're not going to it was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna leave. And I'm like you're not going
Speaker 3: to wait for the violinists to get here? Like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm done, and I'm like you don't want to see
Speaker 3: what he's going to put on your song. He's like no,
Speaker 3: they'll take care of it. And I'm like, you just started,
Speaker 3: and this is how you're acting.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is a disaster. It was crazy.
Speaker 3: I could not believe it. I was like, this is crazy,
Speaker 3: Like I want to be in the studio. I want
Speaker 3: I'm not leaving without experience. Yeah, but also like I'm
Speaker 3: not leaving without a.
Speaker 2: Bounce of my song. I don't care who what?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, like I now have learned
Speaker 3: that lesson. It's like I need to leave with the bounce.
Speaker 2: I want to listen to it in the car. I
Speaker 2: want to see.
Speaker 1: Sessions. I don't know, I don't know who's supposed to
Speaker 1: pay what, but you better put something on this floppy disk.
Speaker 3: I also used to think because like I was recording
Speaker 3: a bunch of songs that like I didn't necessarily have
Speaker 3: anything to do with.
Speaker 2: That I needed to.
Speaker 3: Like if I didn't finish the song and one day
Speaker 3: that I was a failure.
Speaker 2: Like it was so crazy.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my gosh, like I didn't finish
Speaker 3: cutting this song, and like one day I only cut
Speaker 3: one song today like I'm a failure.
Speaker 2: And now that I'm like like, wait.
Speaker 3: I want this to be perfect, like and and.
Speaker 2: That takes time.
Speaker 3: I can't just like and sometimes it does happen where
Speaker 3: like you're in you catch a vibe and like you
Speaker 3: can cut the song and it's like great, like the
Speaker 3: first time you cut it, but it's like no, I
Speaker 3: want to go back. But also like listening to it,
Speaker 3: I thought that like once you cut it, it's there,
Speaker 3: it's bounced, that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I learned it from Static, like I was the
Speaker 1: guy that record five six songs in a day and
Speaker 1: make the track and write it and do the whole
Speaker 1: like I was that guy. I'm on a thousand yeah,
Speaker 1: and I will watch Static just sit at the board
Speaker 1: and listen to a track and lay two lines and
Speaker 1: get back in front. Of the board and just kind
Speaker 1: of sit, smoke a little bit, go back, lay a
Speaker 1: third line, and then yeah, I'm gonna come back tomorrow.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be it's coming, it's coming, it's coming, all right.
Speaker 1: And I watched him work on a song for like
Speaker 1: four days and then listen to it. I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 1: come back. I'm gonna come back tomorrow. Listen to it,
Speaker 1: come back, listen to it. I need to I need
Speaker 1: to switch this up, and after you you're not done.
Speaker 1: And then I watch him do that, and it's why
Speaker 1: he's static major, it's why he has the hit records
Speaker 1: that he has, because he just took his times. I think.
Speaker 4: I think that's something that's especially with social media, because
Speaker 4: social media put a spotlight on the experiences, are a
Speaker 4: spotlight on the experiences that people wanted to push out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I think, you know, even when people start doing the
Speaker 4: whole I don't write nothing down. Yeah, there are artists
Speaker 4: and writers who do do that and are really good
Speaker 4: at that, but that's not for everyone, you know, And
Speaker 4: I think what's been promoted is that makes me more
Speaker 4: talented than such and such, which is.
Speaker 1: Not the truth. Absolutely you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: You know, like we go back and Tupac was a poet,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, So he literally has books
Speaker 4: of poems. But then you have jay Z on the
Speaker 4: other hand. That's like listen, I get it off from
Speaker 4: my mind. It can go both ways, and I think
Speaker 4: with the newer and the younger generation, it got put
Speaker 4: into this space of I do it quick. Oh you know,
Speaker 4: I do my records in fifteen minutes. Well some of
Speaker 4: those records sound like fifteen minute records, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. I don't care how many of you did today,
Speaker 4: Maybe you should have took fifteen days. Because anybody that's
Speaker 4: ever worked with Michael Jackson, who I will argue and
Speaker 4: fight with anyone as the greatest singer, entertainer, everything of
Speaker 4: all time. You would be in a studio with that man.
Speaker 4: It might get a record done a month depending.
Speaker 1: On how he you know.
Speaker 3: But that's why it sounds he wasn't coming.
Speaker 4: Out of that studio with mediocre records or a mediocre
Speaker 4: feel anything, you know what I mean, Because yes, everything
Speaker 4: is subjective. We do music, it's it's someone's fail.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a colossal fail, you know.
Speaker 4: What I mean, but sonically it's going to be right,
Speaker 4: the mix is going to be right. They're gonna make
Speaker 4: sure the words make sense next to each other, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like Michael Jackson wasn't just doing
Speaker 4: a vibe. And sometimes I personally feel like the word
Speaker 4: vibe gets thrown out as this thing of And you
Speaker 4: said that too, of you know, it's not judged the.
Speaker 1: Same because it's like, oh, it's just vibing.
Speaker 4: Well, you want somebody to take their time and listen
Speaker 4: to it and pay for and all these other things
Speaker 4: that you you really aren't putting your full into. That's
Speaker 4: why I respect what you're saying, Like, no, I want
Speaker 4: to be a full part of it. I really want to.
Speaker 1: I want to put into work.
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I think was so special about not
Speaker 3: this last part I put up, but the one that
Speaker 3: I did with Timbaland, because.
Speaker 1: Who's my favorite producer by iconic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so he produced my whole album Space and Time,
Speaker 3: and we did a documentary about it that's on my YouTube,
Speaker 3: and it just goes through the whole process of like
Speaker 3: covid and I's just like I never met him before
Speaker 3: in my life, but I was obviously such a huge fan,
Speaker 3: and he'd followed me on Instagram, and so we would
Speaker 3: he would send me beats and then I would just
Speaker 3: like write to them and I just be freaking out
Speaker 3: and I would just put them on YouTube, like these
Speaker 3: one minute clips that we would just do side by side,
Speaker 3: and then after like the tenth one, We're just like,
Speaker 3: we have to figure out how to get to each
Speaker 3: other so we can like finish this project. And we did,
Speaker 3: and we put it out and we shot sick music
Speaker 3: videos to it and all independent, and like I couldn't
Speaker 3: believe that that's crazy that that happened. And you know,
Speaker 3: like obviously people are still like discovering the project, Like
Speaker 3: as people are discovering me my music from like nine
Speaker 3: ten years ago.
Speaker 2: There's always someone who hasn't heard it yet exactly.
Speaker 3: And it's funny because a lot of like my fans
Speaker 3: who have heard these songs before, they're so frustrated because like,
Speaker 3: where's the new music, And I'm like, listen, there's millions
Speaker 3: of people. Like last year, I had maybe like two
Speaker 3: million monthly listeners on Spotify, maybe like one point six.
Speaker 3: I just checked to have ten minutes ten million then
Speaker 3: counting of and that's just on Spotify. Like I haven't
Speaker 3: released anything new. Yeah, and I put out a single
Speaker 3: last year, but.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: Like I haven't put out like a new like project,
Speaker 3: and I'm just like, wow, I can't believe like platforms
Speaker 3: like a TikTok can really.
Speaker 4: Just like I'll take you somewhere else, take you somewhere. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and you and you have ownership of all of your
Speaker 4: music now.
Speaker 2: Right, not all of it, but that song. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: was just like because when it first started going.
Speaker 4: Up, we're gonna promote, We're gonna promote the things you want.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the dark side right now.
Speaker 3: But it was so crazy because I'm like, oh, that's
Speaker 3: so crazy. Like I'm like, oh, I don't know if
Speaker 3: I own that song because I did that song when
Speaker 3: I was at Atlantic, and so I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 3: like that's crazy. Colyde's going up like I don't get
Speaker 3: anything from that, like woo, And the mom was like,
Speaker 3: actually you do. Like when we left Atlantic we got
Speaker 3: that song and I'm like, wait, what.
Speaker 5: That's crazy?
Speaker 1: Are you interacting? Yeah? Yeah, by side, I'll do it.
Speaker 1: I'll do no.
Speaker 4: So that it's you have two versions of the Clyde record.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's the one with Tiger, which is like
Speaker 3: the original one, and so on my project dark Side
Speaker 3: that I just put out, it's the solo, which a
Speaker 3: lot of people were asking for.
Speaker 1: I mean, like you said that discovery is in lists
Speaker 1: and it goes back to just just stay the course
Speaker 1: and do good stuff because when people accidentally hit that
Speaker 1: page or go down that rabbit hole and bump into it,
Speaker 1: you know what, it's like finding a dope restaurant. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And like all the restaurant has been around for like
Speaker 2: however long. I was like, well, now it's spot.
Speaker 4: There's always those people who like I've been going there,
Speaker 4: you know what.
Speaker 1: I like it, like, maybe I'll see you here. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So I mean as long as you're as long as
Speaker 1: you're doing that, I feel like I feel like musically,
Speaker 1: like you know, this sky is the limit for you.
Speaker 2: I mean you meaning feels good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been doing it, you said for a long time.
Speaker 1: You've been doing it for ten years, which which is crazy, but.
Speaker 4: Longer than that evening professionally. Yeah, yeah, you've been in
Speaker 4: this thing half your life.
Speaker 1: But I mean you're still extremely young.
Speaker 2: I mean, look at dude. Yeah, she's like now a
Speaker 2: super Maga star.
Speaker 4: Listen, Siss ain't leaving the house for less than seven figures.
Speaker 1: Need it. I know that because I had.
Speaker 4: A conversation on the phone with Top talk about it.
Speaker 4: Need it Listen, somebody called me about sister, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, can you get to Sis?
Speaker 1: I said, I can call Top Top.
Speaker 4: Top said yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Helmie. If they ain't
Speaker 4: got I said, oh, oh yeah, I love this talk.
Speaker 4: If you guys don't have this for Scissa, she's not
Speaker 4: coming and I'm not going to make any phone call
Speaker 4: for you and I, but I love to hear that.
Speaker 4: It's you know what I'm saying for like you said,
Speaker 4: it's what she deserves. She's worked so hard to get
Speaker 4: to this space and she they know, they know the
Speaker 4: type of room she gonna fill up.
Speaker 3: But people see like they just see like where she's
Speaker 3: at now, and they don't really like get to which
Speaker 3: is why I love like when artists do documentaries because
Speaker 3: you really get to like see their growth and like
Speaker 3: where they came from. And I think that's so beautiful
Speaker 3: and it gives you like a different level of like
Speaker 3: appreciation and respect for them as well too.
Speaker 2: Like people just.
Speaker 3: Read headlines and they just listen to a song for
Speaker 3: two seconds a snippet, like every our attention spans have
Speaker 3: gotten so short, and I think that that kind of sucks,
Speaker 3: like as like time progresses, like our attention spans just
Speaker 3: like shrink, and then as like I'm so grateful for TikTok,
Speaker 3: but it's like the one second, like what there was
Speaker 3: that moment of like Steve Lacy, who's like one of
Speaker 3: my friends, and there was like obviously one of his
Speaker 3: songs went crazy TikTok, and there was number one, I
Speaker 3: Love Love how so.
Speaker 1: Many girl a great songs.
Speaker 3: But then like everyone gets tickets for his concerts, and
Speaker 3: then like there's that one video that went around where
Speaker 3: it was like no one knew the rest of the
Speaker 3: words to the song. They just knew the hook and
Speaker 3: they were like beating him down about that on social media.
Speaker 2: But it's just like you guys are standing there, you
Speaker 2: should feel stupid.
Speaker 3: You guys should feel dumb that you don't know the
Speaker 3: words to this artist that you just paid however many
Speaker 3: dollars to go their show standing there. Whatever day, this is,
Speaker 3: this is the time you wanted to waste your time
Speaker 3: coming to somebody show that you're one of them, like
Speaker 3: talk shit about that, you don't know. It's just like
Speaker 3: we don't the respect for artists who like get on
Speaker 3: stage and like put this work into like do this
Speaker 3: obviously like people, they don't, they don't care. But I
Speaker 3: hope that a shift is beginning where people are becoming
Speaker 3: more just appreciative of everything.
Speaker 1: What a tough part about us as entertainers is that
Speaker 1: for people it's it's so disposable. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And for them, for most people, it's just
Speaker 1: about the end result.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so true.
Speaker 1: It's just about Okay, entertainment. You know, I paid this
Speaker 1: money entertainment. You know what I'm saying, Like, if something
Speaker 1: goes faulty within that entertainment, they could care less about that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. They care less that it's
Speaker 1: not your fault that the building couldn't house the power
Speaker 1: that that is covering your LED, And then LED goes down,
Speaker 1: and then your pro tools which was running fine before
Speaker 1: sound check, all of a sudden, your pro toos rig
Speaker 1: is on the fritz. And then your backup pro toos
Speaker 1: rig it ain't running. Like they don't care you're standing
Speaker 1: there holding the bag like I promise we we rehearsed
Speaker 1: for six months for this to get this right for you.
Speaker 1: But you'll still see on the ground the show was weak.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe I paid. And it's like there's this
Speaker 1: this this disconnect with the work that we put in,
Speaker 1: not even versus what they want. But how do you
Speaker 1: say that, like we're trying. I promise you we are.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes you have to say that, and if
Speaker 1: it goes back.
Speaker 2: I think people respect that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think more artists should stand in front
Speaker 4: of that. Hey listen, if you got a bad show
Speaker 4: or you was sick or now, with the platforms that
Speaker 4: we have, it's nothing to go on there and say, hey,
Speaker 4: man had a bad night last night.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I think that it's just also like it means more
Speaker 3: and like you develop a different connection with your audience
Speaker 3: when you are vocal about like the mess ups. You know,
Speaker 3: like I was at the weekend show that he did
Speaker 3: so fine and he got t he was like, you
Speaker 3: know what, like I'm not I want to give you
Speaker 3: guys a great show, so I'm not going to put
Speaker 3: you through this if I if.
Speaker 2: I know that's not gonna be the best, and we'll
Speaker 2: reschedule it.
Speaker 3: And like, I think for the most part, like your
Speaker 3: real fans.
Speaker 2: Will appreciate something like that that you want to give
Speaker 2: them the best.
Speaker 1: Fans We're trying, We're trying our.
Speaker 3: Best, but I think like real fans understand that the
Speaker 3: fans from just thele that.
Speaker 1: Just watching people just hover.
Speaker 4: But we need all of it ultimately, because the business
Speaker 4: that we're in is entertainment, entertainment, and it's controlled by
Speaker 4: the people, and either it's love or hate or it's
Speaker 4: a little bit of both, but you need the people.
Speaker 3: For me though, I've I feel like I've entered a
Speaker 3: space where like obviously it still gets rough, like you know,
Speaker 3: there's comments that you see online and like when you're
Speaker 3: being attacked.
Speaker 2: Like it doesn't feel good.
Speaker 3: But and I actually one of my fans like at
Speaker 3: DMG the other day, like how do you do it?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, you know what, I've like made more
Speaker 3: of an effort to realize that at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, I am a human as well too, and
Speaker 3: just to keep good people around me. And I'm starting
Speaker 3: to do this thing too where it's like if i
Speaker 3: feel like I've gotten too like engulfed in my phone.
Speaker 3: Like I'm just like the way I just said, it's
Speaker 3: starting to do this thing as if it's not a thing.
Speaker 3: Like I'm just like, you know, I'm just gonna pick
Speaker 3: up a book and read, Like even if I have
Speaker 3: to force myself to like remove my focus from my phone,
Speaker 3: just gonna just so I'm always walking around with my
Speaker 3: book now, I'm just like, okay, like I'm too crazy
Speaker 3: at my phone, Like let.
Speaker 4: Me just because a lot of people aren't doing that,
Speaker 4: a lot of people aren't tapping in.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read the book on my phone.
Speaker 3: I thought I could do that, but I thought I
Speaker 3: could do that, but that I even want on my iPad.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm gonna. I'm just like you know, I can't.
Speaker 2: I have I need self.
Speaker 3: Discipline, Like I really need to be more disciplined, and
Speaker 3: like if I'm on my phone, like I have I
Speaker 3: even deleted Sorry I'm little sick. I deleted like Instagram
Speaker 3: and Twitter from like my screen. But I can still
Speaker 3: like pull my search thing down and search Instagram, Twitter
Speaker 3: and like I found myself doing that way more than
Speaker 3: if it was just on my home screen.
Speaker 4: It's extremely addictive, especially and especially for your generation because
Speaker 4: you grew up in it completely, right, so I know
Speaker 4: how to tap out of it because I haven't always
Speaker 4: had it, you know what I mean. Even though in
Speaker 4: our generation as well, it's still people who are addicted
Speaker 4: to it as well.
Speaker 2: Conant searching.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but your generation, it's it's completely.
Speaker 1: It's like cartoons. A part of your life.
Speaker 4: This is this is what y'all do is figuring out
Speaker 4: what's going on in the ground, getting as much foolish
Speaker 4: information as possible all day long. Like you said, it's
Speaker 4: hard not to type in your name and see what
Speaker 4: they're talking about or see what you know.
Speaker 1: It's it's all I say.
Speaker 4: It's it's a it's a process of just finding what
Speaker 4: works for you and what don't work for you. Because
Speaker 4: for some people them being fully locked in has actually
Speaker 4: become a business.
Speaker 1: They know that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's to get none out of it.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I know so many people or it's
Speaker 3: just like they're just they have to be on their phone,
Speaker 3: they have to record everything, and I'm just like, I I.
Speaker 2: Can't do it.
Speaker 1: Bother.
Speaker 2: Do y'all ever even eat the snacks?
Speaker 1: No, sometimes we eat the snacks you want to. Sometimes
Speaker 1: we the snacks.
Speaker 4: The audiences don't like when Tank be on here smacking
Speaker 4: the shit.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we the snack. We eat the snacks. Justine, where
Speaker 1: are you going? I want to know your top five,
Speaker 1: your top five, top five, your top five?
Speaker 2: Just this top five?
Speaker 1: I bet R and B so.
Speaker 5: Home talk, Nikka, did you just Yoda.
Speaker 1: Out of his mind? Encourage?
Speaker 4: That was crazy?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 1: Your top five R and B artists right now?
Speaker 3: So this is a band. Their name is Salt. The
Speaker 3: lead singer. I think they may like switch out sometimes
Speaker 3: I'm not too sure. I don't know, like too much
Speaker 3: about it. But Cleo Soul is like the singer. Yeah,
Speaker 3: my favorite song is Masterpiece Souse.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay.
Speaker 3: So Salt, obviously says right now is going crazy.
Speaker 2: Her album is phenomenal.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I have to put Beyonce in there,
Speaker 3: because Beyonce is just a queen of all queens, big beehive.
Speaker 4: I think we should buy her a phone for a birthday.
Speaker 2: You should buy her.
Speaker 5: You said you.
Speaker 1: Wanted to call it? Are you? Are you threatened.
Speaker 2: You calls you? If she wants to find she'll find it?
Speaker 1: Who who told us that too? She was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll find you.
Speaker 4: Rico Love, Rico Love. She called Rico.
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like hello. Yeah.
Speaker 4: But Kanye don't got no phone either, right, I don't
Speaker 4: think so.
Speaker 2: That man got a phone? Why he gotta have a phone.
Speaker 4: I feel like Kanye tells the person next to him, Hey,
Speaker 4: person next to me.
Speaker 2: No tweet shot his text messages and post of them.
Speaker 2: He has a phone.
Speaker 1: He got a phone. Okay, he's not in that same world.
Speaker 1: That's three? That three? Is that three salt? Uh?
Speaker 2: Jazmine Sullivan?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, love that?
Speaker 2: Who else?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: We're doing artists and then what are the other categories?
Speaker 1: Songs?
Speaker 4: Next songs?
Speaker 1: More artists?
Speaker 2: Oh one, more artists? Steve Lacy.
Speaker 1: You know I'm rolling having a moment. I funk with Steve.
Speaker 3: Lacy love and like I his album like on repeat.
Speaker 1: He's dope.
Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, I like that.
Speaker 1: Okay the top five. Here we go, your top five
Speaker 1: R and B songs.
Speaker 3: Uh, dangerously in love, love that song, masterpiece salt mm hmm,
Speaker 3: right now it's blind is I Love Sunshine by Steve Lacy? Like,
Speaker 3: can't get enough of that song?
Speaker 4: And then.
Speaker 1: Just give us a little vibe. See you said, just
Speaker 1: a little talent.
Speaker 2: But right now it's sound of rain.
Speaker 1: M hmm line. Sound all right, here we go. Let's
Speaker 1: do someth We're gonna build.
Speaker 2: What we wait and sign.
Speaker 1: All right, sign my love many Rippleton only because it's
Speaker 1: many Rippleton. Just make that in. I mean, can't deny
Speaker 1: many ripples. We're gonna make a Voltron, all right.
Speaker 2: A transformer, no somewhat. No, Yes, it's a robot.
Speaker 1: It's a robot, but it's not a transformer. Okay. So
Speaker 1: back in the day Voltron, there were these lions, right,
Speaker 1: and there was the red, white, blue, yellow, and black lion, and.
Speaker 2: So power rangers love it.
Speaker 1: No, they were lions. And people used to drive the lions,
Speaker 1: and they were out of space lions. Lion exactly, you
Speaker 1: would get it. It's it's it's a machine lion. They
Speaker 1: were machines, but they were made like a lion.
Speaker 4: Like it's transformed, right.
Speaker 1: Okay, So and and and people would they would they
Speaker 1: would drive them and fly them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And then to fight evil evil evils, zoids and things come.
Speaker 1: And so when it was time to fight the big
Speaker 1: evil monster, all the lions would come together and form
Speaker 1: one big like transform. No it's not a transformer.
Speaker 4: It's what's the nigga that get all the little things?
Speaker 2: I think this is Transformer and power Ranger put together.
Speaker 1: It's it's Vultron. It's Vultron. It's the five Lions and
Speaker 1: they come together to form Voltron.
Speaker 4: And he looks like a humans.
Speaker 1: He stole he stole that from the real Voltron. He
Speaker 1: don't even like Voltron. He stole it from for real. No,
Speaker 1: he stole it from Voltron. He's a thief. Anyway, We're
Speaker 1: gonna make a Voltron, okay, the best, the best of
Speaker 1: the best, the best of the best, all right. Where
Speaker 1: you're gonna get the vocals from, the performance style, from
Speaker 1: the styling from, and then the passion of the artists.
Speaker 1: We're gonna start with the vocal. What artists are you
Speaker 1: taking the vocal from to make your Voltron? One artist?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the voice of Jazzine Sullivan.
Speaker 4: I liked it.
Speaker 2: And then what else there got you?
Speaker 7: Performance style Beyonce, hmm, okay, you're ready, you're ready, all right?
Speaker 1: Styling the Cloud the Dread.
Speaker 2: Steve Lacy, Yeah he's dripped out.
Speaker 4: Okay, see you won't like it, Singing dark Beyonce.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, okay, Gothic, Gothic.
Speaker 4: No, he's not God for us. He's got a little
Speaker 4: dark what No, I think he had devil horns on
Speaker 4: the ship.
Speaker 2: No, you can't look at his style, his fashion.
Speaker 3: No, but you're looking at his artwork. The artwork and
Speaker 3: the way he dress is different.
Speaker 1: They all kind of go together.
Speaker 7: All right, Here we go and the passion of the artist,
Speaker 7: the heart beyoncew.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, double do b. We're not letting you off
Speaker 1: the hook, don't you do it.
Speaker 4: We got a segment of this show that you cannot
Speaker 4: leave here without doing.
Speaker 1: Piano.
Speaker 4: Man, give me something music.
Speaker 2: What is this.
Speaker 4: You're gonna hear it?
Speaker 1: I ain't saying no but I ain't saying no name.
Speaker 1: I ain't saying no names. I ain't saying no name.
Speaker 1: Where we was wed, what we did. Hey, I ain't
Speaker 1: saying no n I ain't saying no names.
Speaker 4: Special segment of the show. It's called I ain't saying
Speaker 4: no name. The story can be funny. I fucked up
Speaker 4: a funny and fucked though. We would like it to
Speaker 4: be funny and put it up to you one ruling
Speaker 4: the game ruling again. You can't say no name.
Speaker 2: No name.
Speaker 4: You can give descriptions, you can do with that, just
Speaker 4: you cannot say their name.
Speaker 1: Okay, so right now.
Speaker 4: We are going to just teen skies.
Speaker 1: Grownish. I ain't saying no names.
Speaker 2: Oh this one's bad.
Speaker 3: No, No, I can't know that one was too crazy.
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, I'll tell half of the story. Okay. So
Speaker 2: I was, this was like over COVID and.
Speaker 3: This is really Oh, this is so bad. Actually, you
Speaker 3: guys gonna feel really bad for me or not. You're
Speaker 3: gonna think of an idiot. But okay, So I was
Speaker 3: it was COVID, and I was, there's like the beginning
Speaker 3: of it. We didn't know what was happening.
Speaker 2: I was like dating this person and.
Speaker 3: I'd like found out that he was like texting someone.
Speaker 2: So then I was like, you know what, And.
Speaker 3: I'm so crazy because I was with his brother earlier
Speaker 3: that day too, and I was like I never want
Speaker 3: to be in this situation and blah blah blah. And
Speaker 3: then I went back to the house and there was
Speaker 3: just a computer screen that was just open, and I
Speaker 3: was like putting his keys down. I was like, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: It's just open on a text message. That's really insane.
Speaker 2: So I was like, I just I think it was
Speaker 2: maybe Kelly.
Speaker 3: Rowland that I saw, like say, an interview and she
Speaker 3: was like, just don't scroll up or something like that.
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe it wasn't her, I'm wrong person,
Speaker 3: but I saw something and there was like a woman
Speaker 3: saying like, just never if you see like someone's phone open,
Speaker 3: just never scroll up.
Speaker 2: And I was like no, I'm aa scroll up and
Speaker 2: so I.
Speaker 3: And so I scrolled up and what do you know,
Speaker 3: There's just like nudes and this, and then I was like,
Speaker 3: oh no.
Speaker 2: He immediately called his mom and I was like, uh
Speaker 2: uh get yes, I come get me. I gotta go.
Speaker 3: And then she was like I'm so sorry, like this
Speaker 3: is all my fall I raised him this way.
Speaker 2: I was like that is a grown man, like he whatever.
Speaker 3: And then so that and I called my other friend
Speaker 3: that lived in the same area and I was like,
Speaker 3: come get me, like I have to leave, like blah
Speaker 3: blah blah whatever. I then like I bring the computer
Speaker 3: to the guy and I'm like this is you, Like, this.
Speaker 2: Is what you're doing. It's COVID.
Speaker 3: You're trying to cheat on me during COVID, Like that's crazy.
Speaker 2: You're gonna go bring COVID back? Are you in sane?
Speaker 3: And then and then he's like, why are you in
Speaker 3: my phone? And I was just like that's what you
Speaker 3: have to say. And I was like he was like, well, Ef,
Speaker 3: you're so unhappy, then leave and I was like, I
Speaker 3: am leaving, but I just wanted you to give you
Speaker 3: the opportunity and he was like whatever anyway, So then
Speaker 3: something happened. And this is like at a time where
Speaker 3: like because of COVID, like we were doing like live
Speaker 3: for brands and like doing like mini performances, and so
Speaker 3: I had to do a performance for like Levi's or something,
Speaker 3: and I had to go live and the time was coming,
Speaker 3: but all of this was happening, and I was like, shoot,
Speaker 3: like I'm gonna have to do this performance here, like
Speaker 3: I have to set up and like so I can't leave,
Speaker 3: and so like I'm like, this is the worst moment ever.
Speaker 3: So I'm sitting and like and he's like, just do
Speaker 3: the performance here, and I was like, don't talk to me, like,
Speaker 3: don't speak, actually, just shut up forever.
Speaker 2: And so I'm just like whatever.
Speaker 3: And then his brother and his mom come and like
Speaker 3: they're helping me and he's just like, I don't know
Speaker 3: what the hell he's doing. They had to leave because
Speaker 3: they had to go do something or go home or whatever.
Speaker 3: And so I'm sitting there and I set up the
Speaker 3: phone and then he like I pressed start and then
Speaker 3: he comes into where I'm doing the live sits in
Speaker 3: front of me while I'm singing doing the performance, and
Speaker 3: every time I finished the song, he would clap.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it was horrible.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 3: I'm on live, so I had to like pretend like
Speaker 3: nothing was happening, and he was just empty room, just him.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you should rot now, and then I left.
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of funny. That's wrong.
Speaker 4: Some ship is so bad.
Speaker 2: So bad.
Speaker 3: But you know, it was really funny because when my
Speaker 3: birthday came around to get back, because at that point
Speaker 3: I was like I was long ago, I was like
Speaker 3: I left the whole stay. I was like goodbye. And
Speaker 3: then he reached out to all my friends like trying
Speaker 3: to be like I need to make this up to her,
Speaker 3: like I mess things up, Like reached out to my
Speaker 3: managers at the time, all my best friends. He was like,
Speaker 3: I need to come to l A and surprise her,
Speaker 3: and they were like no, like, we don't think that's
Speaker 3: a good idea, like send flowers so haha, jokes on him.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, so no, get back, no goodbye, you're trash.
Speaker 1: Oh she found her camera too.
Speaker 3: But when I look back at these moments, I'm like, honestly,
Speaker 3: like you have to laugh, Like it was traumatic in
Speaker 3: the in the moment, but it's like and also I
Speaker 3: learn my lesson.
Speaker 1: But that's a that's like a scene movie that wasn't
Speaker 1: don't do with people, have another place to perform.
Speaker 3: No, the lesson was if I ever am dating someone
Speaker 3: and I feel the need that I need to look
Speaker 3: through their ship, you probably should shouldn't be with them.
Speaker 2: That's that's the lesson. Also, find a closer venue.
Speaker 1: I live by that. If I got to look check
Speaker 1: after you run out, it ain't worth it. I don't
Speaker 1: have the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I have never told that story.
Speaker 1: We thank you here at the Army the podcast that
Speaker 1: that might be top too, That might be top too.
Speaker 1: I ain't saying that. No, I'm saying it's between you.
Speaker 1: It's between you. You don't want to say who else?
Speaker 1: Between you and somebody else for top spot. I ain't
Speaker 1: saying the names great recovery. That was really good. Thank
Speaker 1: you for coming and turning out with old people. Well
Speaker 1: I'm here, you know, I like they always ask ask
Speaker 1: if he's my son. That's how you do see it.
Speaker 1: But thank you. Always got a home at R and
Speaker 1: B Money. You know that, and we will continue to
Speaker 1: support you, uplift you, shine the light on you. Whatever
Speaker 1: you need us to do, we are here. We are
Speaker 1: at your disposal. Continue to be great, continue to be grown.
Speaker 6: Ish, and keep the music coming.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And you yeah, But she owns Collide, run it up,
Speaker 4: the other songs, whatever one she's own.
Speaker 1: Whole dark side, you stream it, you buy it.
Speaker 6: TikTok to it, Come on take that, tell us, come.
Speaker 1: Tak talk, Come on ticketing, Get out of there. All right.
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