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Speaker 1: How does poppylove end? In murder Crime Stories with Nancy Grace?

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Speaker 1: Sixteen year old Sierra Halseth dated Aaron Guerrero from June

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Speaker 1: star panel to make sense of it all. Kathleen Murphy,

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Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer, joining us out of North Carolina and

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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists, joining us out of the

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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Justin Boardman,

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Speaker 1: dot com, doctor Priya Banerjee Board certified forensic Pathologist, President

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Speaker 1: But straight out to Alexis Terreschuk, crime online dot com

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter and also with lead Stories dot com. Alexis,

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Speaker 1: let me understand this. The daughter was six teen years

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Speaker 1: Crime Online Investigators track the teens through surveillance footage. The

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Speaker 1: very wide hit, right, It just has to be deep

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Speaker 1: and foot on target and you're good to go. I

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Speaker 1: hate to be that crude about it. Crime stories with

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, you know, I just wonder how these two

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Speaker 1: lured the dad to his own death, his own sixteen

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Speaker 1: year old daughter. I mean, when my daughter calls me

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Speaker 1: or my son, they go mom, I go straight back there,

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Speaker 1: straight to their room or wherever they are. That's probably

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Speaker 1: what happened here. Hey dad, bam, he's dead and Kathleen Murphy,

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Speaker 1: a veteran trial lawyer, joining me out of North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, think about it, Think about it. You keep

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Speaker 1: calling them kids, Oh, these crazy kids. Well they lured

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Speaker 1: the father to his death. Think about this, and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to frame of mind course of conduct, modus operu,

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Speaker 1: and die that he was then burned. They tried to

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Speaker 1: burn down the house to cover up the crime. That's

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Speaker 1: some planning. You know. You can keep calling kids all

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Speaker 1: you want to devil kids. Yes, I don't disagree with you, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: but I will say that it just proves to me

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Speaker 1: that the brain is not fully developed until a child.

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Speaker 1: Or you can say that about every murder they murdered someone.

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Speaker 1: Oh their brain must not be developed. Oh they should

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Speaker 1: be helpless. You know what. There's so many things I

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Speaker 1: could say, but I'm gonna trying to force forward. Uh,

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Speaker 1: let me go to you, doctor Angela Arnold. I think

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Speaker 1: I know what you're gonna say, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna like it, but go ahead hit me. I mean, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: it's it's just the fact that their brains aren't fully developed.

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Speaker 1: It's not an excuse. Okay, there is still Like I

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Speaker 1: said before, there is still such a pathology of kids

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Speaker 1: never never have the idea of killing their parents. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting here thinking, also, Nancy, can you imagine that

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Speaker 1: they watched him burn? We're talking about what his burned

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Speaker 1: body looked like after it was burned, Nancy, they watched

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Speaker 1: the man burn how and and the smell and all that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how disgusting is that? Right? And it really

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if they were in love.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what scenario this took on. Does it

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Speaker 1: they play it? I can, Okay, I get the whole

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Speaker 1: running away together. Yeah, murder him, right, Guys, take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our friend Vanessa Murphyton and Spencer says the

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Speaker 1: team daughter had stolen her father's car and there was

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Speaker 1: also money stolen from him. Both teams were taken into

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Speaker 1: custody in Salt Lake City, Utah, Tuesday morning. The family

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Speaker 1: of Heal Seth provided this statement to the I Team. Quote,

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Speaker 1: our family is heartbroken this has happened to Daniel. We

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Speaker 1: loved Daniel beyond words. He loved his children and was

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Speaker 1: an amazing father. We ask for privacy and respect for

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Speaker 1: the family at this time. And quote Lieutenant Spencer tells

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Speaker 1: the I Team detectives were interviewing his daughter Tuesday. We

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Speaker 1: do know that the father had recently made comments that

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Speaker 1: he did not want his daughter dating Aaron. Now in Nevada,

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Speaker 1: a teen sixteen and older is automatically charged as an

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Speaker 1: adult for the charge of murder. You're hearing that now

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Speaker 1: they are going to be charged as an adult for

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Speaker 1: the murders. Jump in Alexis terrest check. What can you

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Speaker 1: tell me? Well, I think it's interesting that the kids

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Speaker 1: the teams were playing a runaway to Los Angeles, but

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Speaker 1: instead they run away to Salt Lake City and they

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Speaker 1: actually got on a train without a ticket, and that's

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Speaker 1: how they got busted. The conductor was going around checking

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Speaker 1: for tickets and the boy said, I don't have a ticket,

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Speaker 1: and Andrew Barrero, the eighteen year old, because I don't

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Speaker 1: have a ticket, So they arrested them there. This was

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Speaker 1: just a lucky happenstance that the conductor was asking for him.

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Speaker 1: Whyn't saying, you know what, that's okay, I'll let you go. Sometimes,

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Speaker 1: you know, people might think that, but instead, nope, said

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Speaker 1: that's now you got to get off. And then the

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Speaker 1: police were called and they were arrested for the scribe.

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Speaker 1: So they had gotten pretty far away, you know, to

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Speaker 1: Salt Lake City. It was almost like the Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: the secret. That was what they were saying, but secretly

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Speaker 1: they were going somewhere else. It's not the first time

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Speaker 1: that teams have murdered their parents. Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our friend Laurence Stevenson WJFW. Thirty seven year old Thomas

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Speaker 1: Ayres and forty year old Jennifer Ayres had been killed.

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Speaker 1: Investigators linked seventeen year old Rhinelander High School student Ashley

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Speaker 1: Martinson to the deaths of her mother and stepfather. Oneida

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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Captain Terry Hook wouldn't confirm when the murders happened,

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Speaker 1: but a source we trust told us the couple was

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Speaker 1: killed on Saturday after an argument with Ashley. Oneida County

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Speaker 1: deputies put out a nationwide alert to law enforcement to

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Speaker 1: help arrest Martinson, who they consider a suspect. As we

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Speaker 1: were getting information, we were making contact with agencies as

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Speaker 1: farther and further self, so they were aware that we

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Speaker 1: were looking and they were keeping a lookout for us.

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Speaker 1: Hours later, a Boone County, Indiana Sheriff's deputy recognize the

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Speaker 1: car Martinson was believed to have been driving. He arrested

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Speaker 1: Martinson and her boyfriend, twenty two year old Ryan Daniel Cisco.

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Speaker 1: Right now, investigators do not believe Cisco was involved in

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Speaker 1: the killings. Once again, the daughter flees with a teen boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: and in that case, not one but both parents killed.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut thirteen. This is about

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Speaker 1: seventeen year old Alyssa Hatcher. Seventeen year old Alyssa Hatcher

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Speaker 1: was arrested by Lake County deputies yesterday. New six is

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Speaker 1: Jerry Askin is following this story. He is live at

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Speaker 1: the Lake County Sheriff's office. And Jerry, you learned the

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Speaker 1: suspect as a senior at New Matilla High School. Lisa, yes,

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Speaker 1: but right now she's sitting in juveno jail facing felony charges.

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Speaker 1: And deputy say her friends told a school resource deputy.

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Speaker 1: That deputy told investigators here in Lake County, and right

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Speaker 1: now we're asking Lake County Sheriff's deputies to release more.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing that your parents can do till you bid.

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Speaker 1: You're grounded. A car's taken away. You can't go to

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Speaker 1: the whatever for you to get to this point right now,

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Speaker 1: as Lake County investigators are piecing together why they say

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Speaker 1: seventeen year old A Lissa Hatchers stole her parents debuty

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Speaker 1: card and pay two guys to try and kill them,

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Speaker 1: they want to remind other kids there's help out there.

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Speaker 1: That's why they have the counselor set up in school

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Speaker 1: for things like this. But you know, as far as juvenile's, teenagers,

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Speaker 1: never let it get to this point, get them help,

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Speaker 1: help for what. You can't go to the prom, you

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Speaker 1: gotta curfew, I'm taking your phone away. Really help. Well,

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Speaker 1: here's another fifteen year old de Jonah Holmes in Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at Fox for Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: You were just hearing Fox six in Florida, listen. Fifteen

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Speaker 1: year olds Ajana Holmes was initially taken into juvenile detention,

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Speaker 1: but now she's facing second degree murder charges as an adult.

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Speaker 1: Court records alleged Dajohonas called nine one one and said

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Speaker 1: her family's home had been robbed her parents shot, but

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Speaker 1: when she met with officers, she told them she was

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Speaker 1: scared and in fact, her father Brian Starr had shot

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Speaker 1: her mother kinderly, She grabbed the gun then killed her

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Speaker 1: dad in self defense. Investigators say they found drawings in

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Speaker 1: Dejana's backpack with a stick figure labeled me, who was

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Speaker 1: holding a gun pointing at another stick figure labeled dad,

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Speaker 1: and award to search her phone, which found web searches

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Speaker 1: for scary movies where kids kill parent. But family members

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Speaker 1: insisted this was just a scared child who is not

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Speaker 1: a violent killer. Okay, a scared child, not a violent killer.

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Speaker 1: But she's looking up scary movies where kids kill parents.

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Speaker 1: I mean, justin Boardman, a former detective Special Victims Unit,

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Speaker 1: what more do you need to take to a jury

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Speaker 1: where the team is looking up scary movies for a

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Speaker 1: kid kills parent? You know, I don't think much much

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Speaker 1: more than that, especially with the internet searches and doing

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Speaker 1: the research. I think the defense worse would be the

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Speaker 1: maturity level and so forth. But I think that's that's

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Speaker 1: the smoking gun, so to speak. You know. Straight by

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Speaker 1: to Alex's Terrest Crime online dot com investigative reporter, you

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Speaker 1: and I covered the case of Jamie Sylvanic of Upper

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Speaker 1: mccunjee Township. She went out to a concert with her boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: The mom had met them at a diner. There had

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Speaker 1: been a lot of talk about whether she could go

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Speaker 1: to the concert or not, and it made the daughter

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Speaker 1: so angry. The mother was trying to curtail her sex

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Speaker 1: with her boyfriend that she texted her boyfriend, mom has

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Speaker 1: quote got to go. Boyfriend murders mom in the car

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Speaker 1: parked outside the home and the dad was asleep. He

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Speaker 1: said he heard a car horn beep a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: That didn't think anything of it. As I recalled, the

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Speaker 1: boyfriend was murdering mom because she was sick of the

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Speaker 1: two of them having sex all over the basement. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't get it. Now. You hear doctor Angie's saying

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Speaker 1: their brain isn't formed. Well, you know what. That may

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Speaker 1: be true, but the mom is still dead and in

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Speaker 1: this case, the dad is still dead. Are you sure?

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Speaker 1: Both of these two defendants, Aaron Guerrero and Sierra Hell,

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Speaker 1: So they're going to be treated as an adult and

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Speaker 1: tried for murder. That is the law in Nevada. That

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Speaker 1: that's what they don't have junailport for people under sixteen,

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Speaker 1: and she is sixteen and he is eighteen, which is

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Speaker 1: an adult in every state in the country. So that's

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Speaker 1: that's how it isn't Nevada that the laws haven't changed.

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Speaker 1: There are no special circumstances that they would change this

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Speaker 1: under that's just not the way the law is set

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Speaker 1: up there. And these kids, you know, she lived with

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Speaker 1: her dad too. She hadn't complained, you know, she hadn't

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Speaker 1: moved in with mom as, she hadn't changed her living

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Speaker 1: situation because maybe, you know, if you lived with mommy,

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Speaker 1: could sneak out with the boyfriend a little bit easier,

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Speaker 1: which she did. And there was no indication up until

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Speaker 1: two days before when they were caught on video buying

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Speaker 1: the weapons to murder him, that this was a plot

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Speaker 1: that they had. It was that they were going to

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Speaker 1: run away together. So they could have just stolen dad's

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Speaker 1: car and run away together, but instead they went completely

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Speaker 1: done of their age. Neither of these are ever going

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Speaker 1: to get the death penalty, but the thought of killing

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Speaker 1: your own father so you can go have sex with

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Speaker 1: your teen boyfriend, A jury is not gonna like that

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Speaker 1: at all. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime

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Speaker 1: Story signing off good Bye Friend,