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Speaker 1: Hello, Hey, what's up?

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Speaker 2: Man? Hello? Liel?

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Speaker 1: What's your name?

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Speaker 2: My name? My name? What's my name?

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Speaker 1: Your name is? I'm gonna give you I'll give you

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Speaker 1: your name is. I'm gonna call you Joe Joe. That

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Speaker 1: sounds good, Joe Joe.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, you texted me some stuff, but before we

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Speaker 1: do that, how you doing? How's how you doing?

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Speaker 2: Pretty good? Just laying in bed a little nervous. What's

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Speaker 2: it going nervous?

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Speaker 1: Don't be nervous, man? How's it going with me? It's

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Speaker 1: going okay? You know, we're It's another another another day

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Speaker 1: on this earth. It's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Another day.

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Speaker 1: I think it's raining. I think it's about to storm.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, I'm just laying in bed. I worked

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Speaker 2: tonight and then got to mind night Aftermorrow's fourth of July.

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Speaker 1: So you texted me. Okay, you texted me four months

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Speaker 1: ago and you said, you said, I am in my

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Speaker 1: absolute hoe era, I am addicted, and then you said

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Speaker 1: I'm addicted to Facebook dating. And then so that was

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Speaker 1: four months ago. And then two days ago you texted

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Speaker 1: me and you said I think I'm done being a

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Speaker 1: all caps whore.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so yeah, I mean that's kind of my thing

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Speaker 2: right now. It's just like, well, four months ago, it

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Speaker 2: was four months ago, and I'm like, then I was

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Speaker 2: experimenting with, you know, just people, getting to know people,

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Speaker 2: being a hoe you know, just kind of kind of

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Speaker 2: getting that out of my system and for the very

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Speaker 2: first time, because I got out of a relationship and

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Speaker 2: that was pretty treacherous. And since then, I've and I've been,

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Speaker 2: I've been I've been chatting with this person, you know,

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Speaker 2: I've been connecting with someone. But it's just kind of

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Speaker 2: it's a little complicated because this person is is a

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Speaker 2: I think she is marking off the boxes, right, but

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Speaker 2: there are things that make me very apprehensive, Like there

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Speaker 2: is this distance between us, which reminds me of my

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Speaker 2: AX because we were long distance as well. So I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to really do that again, but so

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Speaker 2: so likely.

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Speaker 1: What what what is the hoe era? Like for the

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Speaker 1: part when you say you have been addicted to Facebook dating?

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Speaker 1: What is what has these past four months look like exactly?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean I broke up with well, my

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Speaker 2: AX broke up with me earlier, well, end of last year,

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Speaker 2: So then that kind of prompted the whole era because

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Speaker 2: you know, I was I left that relationship very insecure

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Speaker 2: about just kind of like my sexual experiences with people,

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Speaker 2: my casual experiences with people. I didn't really have that

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Speaker 2: whole experience, right, So then I was like, Okay, let's

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Speaker 2: try to sleep with as many people who like can't

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Speaker 2: like to get that out of my system, you know.

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Speaker 2: And which prompted me to going to a certain place

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Speaker 2: in this is let's just say this, this sort of

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Speaker 2: I don't explain this. Oh my god, it's so weird.

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Speaker 2: It's weird, tuck to you. But then's this place in uh,

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Speaker 2: this place where you can it's essentially a brothel and

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Speaker 2: you know, it's like a strip club slash brothel place.

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Speaker 2: And I went there, right, and I'm like, okay, I'm free.

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Speaker 2: Now let's go do this sexual experience thing. And so

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Speaker 2: I went to this place I think even yeah, four

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Speaker 2: months ago, that's when I text you to do that.

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Speaker 2: And it was like the greatest experience ever, oh reals of,

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Speaker 2: I mean it was, yeah, it was. It was an

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Speaker 2: I think it texts you like I have something about

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Speaker 2: being like just engulfed with pleasure because that place is

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Speaker 2: just like, there's beautiful women, you can drink in there,

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Speaker 2: you can smoke in there, it's twenty four to seven.

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Speaker 2: It's just like, uh, it's it's it's incredible, right, And

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Speaker 2: so fast forward. You know, I've had some casual experiences

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Speaker 2: outside of that place since then, and I've kind of

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Speaker 2: felt myself sort of like, Okay, we should slow this down,

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Speaker 2: maybe we should try to connect with someone. Fast forward,

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Speaker 2: I went to the same place, same club, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I rave about this place to my friends. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: this place is the greatest place ever. There's beautiful women. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you can you get to know them, you can sleep

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Speaker 2: with them. It's just it's a very transactional buss also

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Speaker 2: like it's a great experience in my opinion. And so

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Speaker 2: I went to this place again and I just felt

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Speaker 2: myself not really having as great of autoim as the

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Speaker 2: first time I went there earlier this year.

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Speaker 1: You go, well, go ahead if this answers the question,

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Speaker 1: but why do you why do you feel like that?

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Speaker 2: Is Well, I again, like I had a casual experience

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Speaker 2: you know, I should slow this down, I should really

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Speaker 2: connect with someone but it's hard for me to connect

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Speaker 2: with people where I live. So I'm like, let's go,

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Speaker 2: let's go to this place again, let's sleep with more

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Speaker 2: beautiful women. It's very it's very easy. I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: why people go there. I did that, but I also

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Speaker 2: I mean that sex, it's always fun there, but still

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Speaker 2: like I'm by myself, Like I wish my friends were

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Speaker 2: with me. I really kind of would rather be connected

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Speaker 2: with someone a little more seriously exactly. But on this

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Speaker 2: same trip, which part of me feels a little bad about,

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Speaker 2: there was a plan to meet a lady in the

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Speaker 2: same city, to which I did right after going to

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Speaker 2: this having this club experience, and I found myself really

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Speaker 2: connecting with her, and I feel myself a little bit

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Speaker 2: more now, more accepting of it. But at the time

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Speaker 2: I was a little more in denial of it because like,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to get into a long distance relationship again.

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Speaker 2: You know, she is a foreigner, like trying to get

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Speaker 2: Like all these long distance like thoughts and feelings are

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Speaker 2: popping up again, where it's just what I felt with

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Speaker 2: and you know, the themes feeling the same sentiments like

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Speaker 2: I'm missing this person. I find myself missing this person

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Speaker 2: a lot. We're texting I miss you, and makes me

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Speaker 2: feel like it's great to have that feeling, yes, to

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Speaker 2: want to say love quite yet, but that loving feeling,

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Speaker 2: you know, yes, but it's hard because you have to

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Speaker 2: plan everything again. Who's gonna move where again? Like yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I'm trying. I'm telling my friend because one of

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Speaker 2: I'm just why am I such a home like horror?

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Speaker 2: Like I see there's so many beautiful women, like I

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Speaker 2: and these days like more lately and more accepting of it,

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Speaker 2: we'll just see where where things go. You know. That's

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Speaker 1: M You know, I struggle with a lot of similar

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Speaker 1: you know what, like a like a connection. It feels

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Speaker 1: like such deeply inconvenient scenarios, you know. I mean if

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Speaker 1: You're You're really lucky. You're really lucky. And it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I don't have answers to this stuff. I've been thinking

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Speaker 1: sake of convenience. And then on the flip side, it's like,

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Speaker 1: let's what's wait until we find a more perfect thing. Bro.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even going to vaguely pretend or insinuate like

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Speaker 1: And what I what I mean by that is like, like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: You know, figure it out. She wants to move to Denver?

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Speaker 1: You want to stay in New York? Would you move

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Speaker 1: Stuff like that? She fucking what? Like like like you

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Speaker 1: have You're gonna have to put up with things. That's

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Speaker 1: the pros forget about romantic relationships. The pros and cons

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Speaker 1: of like just being around other human beings is like

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Speaker 1: you have to deal with conflict.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's like the the tax you pay on connection is

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Speaker 1: this way and I've met them where they're like totally

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Speaker 1: there's male and female versions of this where it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm totally okay. You know, for guys where

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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I'm totally okay just like being a

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Speaker 1: women who are like, you know, living a male decentered

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Speaker 1: be hard if you're it can be hard, especially if

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Speaker 2: popular reels are the ones that where people are like

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00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: not even trying that it's like just some random bullshit.

432
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 2: And it's just like you can tell too. You can

433
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: tell when reels are trying or when they're just like

434
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: just some random shit and it's just like you. I mean,

435
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 2: it's the same thing with dating tune like my last

436
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 2: experience too. It's just like if you don't try, it's

437
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 2: just kind of like live your life. I mean that's

438
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 2: why like I agree with just like focusing on your hobbies,

439
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 2: focusing on yourself, your health and that sort of thing,

440
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: because naturally it'll just come come through. And even like

441
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: just casual experiences too, Like if if you just don't

442
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: try so hard, like or even like something more serious,

443
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: like a relationship, like it just kind of comes naturally.

444
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: It's always best that way, whether it's like through a

445
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: dating app or like through in person, like it's just

446
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 2: kind of like let just be chill or like I mean,

447
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 2: it's always also good to be friends with with some

448
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: people before getting into the relationship too, because it's just

449
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 2: like more more natural, less expectations. And I've told that

450
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 2: to people, like it's just best not to have any expectations, like,

451
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 2: you know, keep it because it keep the expectations like

452
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 2: extremely low, like don't expect anything, and then things will

453
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 2: you know, things will work out they won't, or they

454
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: will work out or they won't. And I've had plenty

455
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: of that in my last like dating experiences, just kind

456
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 2: of like, let mean navigate this just with no expectations,

457
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: and it's been working great so far. Now I'm just

458
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: trying to navigate like what it's like to connect with

459
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 2: someone on a serious level, and it's kind of again

460
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 2: like I'll expecting me a whole lot, but let's have

461
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 2: this an honest chance. And so far as it get,

462
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 2: it's only been a few days, but it's been kind

463
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 2: of nice.

464
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: What's your name again, Joe? Joe? Okay, I'm glad that

465
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: you remember the fake name that I gave you. Yeah, Joe,

466
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: is there anything else you want to say to the

467
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go?

468
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 2: Let's see. I don't know what to say. Yeah, love is love.

469
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: Have a good one, brother, Take care.

470
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: If you brother?

471
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 4: Pease? Hello?

472
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: Hey, what's up?

473
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: Man? Hey? Thanks for calling back for sure?

474
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: What's your name now?

475
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 4: Stuff at the dame I want to use because like

476
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 4: like like a job reasons and stuff.

477
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: Sure, man, what's uh? What's going on with you today?

478
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: Mal so Right?

479
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 4: I sent a text a couple of days ago. Well,

480
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 4: but the first text that's sent back in my October

481
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 4: saying like I was like furloughed my job, and then

482
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 4: I shouldn't text like a couple of days ago saying like,

483
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 4: oh I was I got unfurloughed back in November. But

484
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 4: that's not the important part. The important part was my

485
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 4: I said I was a Korean American the geologist who

486
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 4: also stutters, and I just kind of wanted to I know,

487
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 4: like in like past like episodes I've listened to that

488
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 4: there were some folks just that that they had like

489
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 4: a stutter and or I guess and some like mail stuff,

490
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 4: and I just wanted to like kind of share my

491
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 4: stuttering story also like bringing like like I'm a Korean,

492
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 4: Americans just kind of didn't do like this American experience

493
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 4: that it gets better. I'm like thirty eight years old.

494
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 4: I'm like thirty eight years old, and uh yeah, like

495
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 4: I've been through all these stages in my life.

496
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, sure, well all right, where do we start?

497
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: Let's see how about Okay, it sounds like you, it

498
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: sounds like you want to tell your life story sort of.

499
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 4: But I know, like like we're limited by time, so

500
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 4: I I definite to start with like the stuttering because

501
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 4: it's kind of interwoven, and I'll like I'll try to

502
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 4: be quick about it with details I don't like take

503
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 4: up like all your time.

504
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: No, you're all good, go ahead, man.

505
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 4: So I started studying when I was like fourth grade,

506
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 4: I think because like my family had moved to like

507
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 4: a different town in my state, and I was just

508
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 4: a shy kid and I just didn't talk for a while.

509
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 4: And I think that's when I noticed, like when I

510
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 4: started talking again, I just couldn't pronounce words I had

511
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 4: trouble like with certain consonants and stuff, and that kind

512
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 4: of happened throughout middle school in high school and kind

513
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 4: of weaving and like like me being like a Korean American,

514
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 4: like my family wanted to be my family wanted me

515
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 4: to be a doctor. And numerous times, a lot of

516
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 4: folks in the family like just just say it, like

517
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 4: why aren't you ding, Like what's wrong with you? And

518
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 4: one time my uncle sat down with me and it

519
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 4: was like, oh, you know, like if you want to

520
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 4: become a successful doctor, you know you got to get

521
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 4: rid of that or like no one's got to respect you.

522
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 4: So that really affected me, like for a long time

523
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 4: as a kid, and they always like it always like

524
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 4: was on my mind. And a little fact about folks

525
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 4: who stutter. I think it's like only one percent of

526
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 4: the population stutters. At least that's what the National Studying

527
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 4: Association told me. And I'll get to that later. So

528
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,719
Speaker 4: it's very rare you're run to like a person who stutters.

529
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 4: So as a kid, I didn't know anyone else stuttered,

530
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 4: So I thought, hey, what's wrong with me? Like like

531
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 4: I'm the only person in this world who stutters, Like

532
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 4: I got to fix this. I treated it like an enemy,

533
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 4: I guess, like a like a bad part of my

534
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 4: body that I had fixed, and I was always ashamed

535
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 4: of it. It was so bad that I had trouble

536
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 4: talking on the phone, like if I still had well,

537
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 4: I still have a stutter, but like I wouldn't be

538
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 4: having this conversation now. Or it was difficult ordering food

539
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 4: at restaurants, so I'd always find like something that was

540
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 4: easy to order that I wouldn't stutter on, and that

541
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 4: kind of effected me. I actually didn't start. I wasn't

542
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 4: comfortable talking with girls until sophomore year in college because

543
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 4: of the stutter. And the only way I forced myself

544
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 4: to stutter what talk to them was because that we

545
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 4: had these extreme students from Germany. And I said, well,

546
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 4: I got talked to them because I wanted to talk

547
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 4: to their phones, and I forced myself to do that

548
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 4: and I did anyway, the first person that I stuttered, sorry,

549
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 4: but the first person who I met who stuttered was

550
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 4: in college, and I had this realization like, oh, I'm

551
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 4: not the only one, So that was kind of helpful.

552
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 4: And then kind of over time, from like age like

553
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 4: eighteen to twenty five, I just kind of became more

554
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 4: comfortable with my voice. And then I think the biggest

555
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 4: breakthrough was in twenty twenty year olds when I was

556
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 4: twenty five, I saw this documentary I feel what it's called.

557
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 4: But the person who made the documentary like he went

558
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 4: around the US and he went to Japan and he

559
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 4: was with some people who stuttered, and he was talking

560
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 4: with this guy was like in the seventies, and and

561
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 4: he said that his stutter was like a friend to

562
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 4: him because it was with him his whole life, and

563
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 4: he had gotten comfortable with it. And he said that

564
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 4: if he if his stutter went away the next day,

565
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 4: he would miss it like an old friend who had died.

566
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 4: So that's an seeing a way to reframe it. And

567
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 4: ever since then, I've kind of treated it as a friend,

568
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 4: like a person I guess a pardon me that makes

569
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 4: me special. And that was even more reinforced when I

570
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 4: went to the National Studying Association conference to have it

571
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 4: around July fourth every year. I'm not going this year

572
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 4: because I'm like staving up for like a trip. I'm

573
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 4: saving for like a trip of Japan. But they're like

574
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 4: I met like seven hundred other folks who started like me,

575
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh my god, like cool, like

576
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 4: they're just like me, yeah, and I'm hearing their stories.

577
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 4: I'm like there's a lot of commonality. And also when

578
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 4: it comes to stutters, like everyone stutters differently, and also

579
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 4: knowing like oh, like my kind of stuttering is different

580
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 4: from other people in like the UK they call it stammering.

581
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 4: I've met this guy who's a doctor in the UK

582
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 4: who sort of went through similar experiences I did, where

583
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 4: like his I think like his advisor in med school

584
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 4: was like, you know, like you got to get rid

585
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 4: of that stuttered or you're never going to make it.

586
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 4: And then four years later he was like getting a

587
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: MD and his advisor was sitting there just kind of

588
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 4: like like with like go oh, like I shouldn't have

589
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 4: told him that, like what kind of face. So I

590
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 4: was like, well, that's that's pretty interesting. And then and

591
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 4: I think the most interesting part was at for an

592
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 4: asthet call like you're so fluent, like did you take

593
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 4: speech language therapy? And I never did because I couldn't

594
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 4: afford it my entire life. I just kind of came

595
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 4: to my realization and other things I found out was

596
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 4: like the world of speech language pathology and I'm not

597
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 4: I'm not like an expert in it, but just just

598
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 4: from anecdotal experience from talking with folks who started, like

599
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 4: they said that the original strategy, like the past, was

600
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 4: to develop ways to talk to other people without stuttering

601
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 4: instead of working on like internal issues or I guess

602
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 4: being comfortable with your voice kind of like a holistic

603
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 4: approach to speech language therapy. So like there are a

604
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 4: lot of folks who are older who had learned like

605
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 4: methods to not sort are like singing while they're talking

606
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 4: or kind of talking in a monotone voice, and that's

607
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 4: that's not really a way to live. And so it's

608
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 4: been more recent from what I've heard that they developed.

609
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: Wait, Peo people have gotten rid of their stutter by

610
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: just singing all the time.

611
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 4: Well, that that was like one of like like the

612
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 4: like the methods of therapy for speech language therapists is

613
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 4: to sing. And I've noticed and that when I sing,

614
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 4: I I didn't stutter. And I guess that's one of

615
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 4: the things that they figured out, like the speech language therapists.

616
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 4: And I think another way is like if you whisper

617
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 4: but you don't hear you and another method that I've

618
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 4: heard is speaking in like a like like a very

619
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 4: like mono tone voice, like a robot. But like that's

620
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 4: not really a way to like I guess the folks

621
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 4: enjoy talking that they can, but it's not really like

622
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 4: a way to live, to express, Like you can't express

623
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 4: your emotions and all that when you're talking if you're

624
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 4: talking like a robot. So yeah, and and also like

625
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 4: I met a lot of folks who were like in

626
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 4: different parts of their stuttering journey, like folks who had

627
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 4: just started spec language therapy, Folks who developed the stutter

628
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 4: like in their seventies because they got cancer. Well, no,

629
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 4: they got some neurological disease that I guess it interrupted

630
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 4: like their language and so they'd been fluent their whole

631
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 4: life and now they couldn't speak, and it was it

632
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 4: was devastating for them. And then there and I think

633
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 4: the most beautiful thing I saw there was kids who

634
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 4: started who had been raised to be okay with the stutter,

635
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 4: and I just saw them happy and being free, I guess,

636
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 4: and that definitely brought like a ship and eye. I

637
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 4: think there was like the cousin of some kid there

638
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 4: and and like she like at like the closing the

639
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 4: marks like looked at her cousin it was like, you know,

640
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 4: like like the way he talk is beautiful instead of

641
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 4: being shameful, and and that just yeah, that that really

642
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 4: hit me pretty hard, like in a good way. And

643
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 4: I guess what I wanted to say was, you know,

644
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 4: like it does get better the time, generally, nothing to

645
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 4: be she of. And I met some guy at a

646
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 4: studying a meeting. He was like eighteen, he was really young,

647
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 4: and he wanted to be an air traffic controller but

648
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 4: like he really wanted to be like he loved it,

649
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 4: but he had a really bad stutter, and and I

650
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 4: could just see the pain in his heart, like I

651
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 4: can't do this. It's my dream that I have to

652
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 4: let go of it. And I hope he attended more

653
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 4: of those and essay a meeting so National Studying Association.

654
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 4: Unfortunately it's acronym is the same as a certain government agency.

655
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 4: It's a but the different. But I hope he got

656
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 4: more comfort from others and learned to accept himself. I

657
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 4: know it's not like the main way to do it.

658
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 4: I mean there's many ways to kind of I wouldn't

659
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 4: say get over stuttering, because it's still a part of

660
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 4: my life, but learning to accept it and not be shameful.

661
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 4: For other other good examples of it is like the

662
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 4: movie The King's Speech, which just left me just like

663
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 4: in tears, because I guess it's interesting seeing a movie

664
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 4: about like like a very famous person. I think it

665
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 4: was like one of the like the Kings of England

666
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 4: during World War Two and he had to give a

667
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 4: speech because like the London, like the London Blitz is happening,

668
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 4: and he he got a speech language pathologist that then

669
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 4: who uh you know, I used like the more older

670
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 4: methods to help him but also kind of guided him

671
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 4: and was his friend and what's was able to be

672
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 4: like vulnerable around him and just helped him this speech,

673
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 4: and yeah, it was amazing. And what's interesting is like

674
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 4: the movie also depicts a lot of like like like

675
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 4: like a shame that comes with stuttering, and like, I

676
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 4: mean it's kind of over exaggerated, but ways that other

677
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 4: people who aren't necessarily aware of stuttering like treat folks

678
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 4: who don't have who have a stutter. So I'm not

679
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 4: saying that everyone does that, but there it was a

680
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 4: really good movie. And uh, yeah, I kind of tying

681
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 4: out into like who I am, so I think I

682
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 4: mentioned earlier, I was raised for an American. I'm the

683
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 4: kid of immigrants from a Korea, and my parents really

684
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 4: wanted me to be a doctor, but I ended up

685
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 4: becoming a geologist instead, which is a complete one eighty.

686
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 4: And I guess being like a kid of immigrants who

687
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 4: also has a stutter and like I would always be

688
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 4: like the translator from my parents, that made things even

689
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 4: more difficult. And with the pressure of being like well,

690
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 4: I guess the pressure of being told my entire childhood

691
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 4: I need to become a doctor. That's the only viable

692
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 4: pathway to become successful country, which I totally understand because

693
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 4: my parents are immigrants in a new country were you know,

694
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 4: they're starting new and you know, being successful. I mean,

695
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 4: that's one of the reasons why they moved here is

696
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 4: to make sure that I lived a successful life. You know,

697
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 4: they only wanted the best out of me. So like,

698
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 4: I'm not angry at them for the way they raised me.

699
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 4: I forgave them, even though it stopped growing up. But

700
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 4: I understand now as an adult that perspective, and just

701
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 4: I guess for all, I guess for Korean American listeners

702
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 4: who are young going through a quid height of as

703
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 4: a kid a youth. You know, it does get better.

704
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 4: There are options out there, two other pathways for success.

705
00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 4: And yeah, that's that's like the the extra long pl

706
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 4: DR version of my life story. And I hope folks

707
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 4: hear it up under like I've shared it with friends,

708
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 4: but I haven't like shared it like open the out

709
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 4: to like everyone. So yeah, so how.

710
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: Are you doing now?

711
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 4: I'm doing great. So I've been six years at my

712
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 4: job as a geologist. I'm not going to identify where

713
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 4: because I want to get tops. But I just passed

714
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 4: my six year mark there. It actually coincided with my birthday,

715
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 4: so I like turned thirty eight and six years. I

716
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 4: do a lot of like so like there's a lot

717
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 4: of things in geology like volcanos and environmental geology and

718
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 4: a lot of different subfields. I do more of the

719
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 4: environmental stuff and I really like it. Personal life wise,

720
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 4: I think I think when you called me yesterday, I

721
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 4: was on a date, so I couldn't really answer because

722
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 4: I didn't I didn't want to be rude, and you know,

723
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 4: the date went well, so that'll.

724
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: Be like another date, So that would have been really

725
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: funny if you answered during the date and then you

726
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: just didn't it like that guy who called uh when

727
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: he was in the movie theater and then he didn't

728
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: see the movie. Like you call and you just go

729
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: out to the bathroom and just talk to me for

730
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: an hour and then your date just leave.

731
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 4: Yeah man, yeah, you know. Yeah.

732
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: In the Therapy Geo show how the date.

733
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Speaker 4: It, it went like pretty well, like we got like

734
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 4: romin and then we went to this like really cool

735
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 4: like bar that has like two thousand like board games

736
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 4: and I was a drink. Yeah, yeah, like it's just

737
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 4: it's it's it's cool because like you walk in this

738
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 4: big bar, it's like open space. There's like a kitchen

739
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 4: like in the middle, and you could see anybody wants

740
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 4: and then there's just like I think I could to

741
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 4: be maybe like Stone mansions and I don't know, but

742
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 4: there's this room that looks like a like a really

743
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 4: old vintage library and there's it's a stacked full of

744
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 4: games and apparently like that's only like a quarter of

745
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 4: like the games, like they have more in the back

746
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 4: and yeah, like two I was like, oh my god, that's.

747
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: Like, you know, it's you know, what's funny is uh.

748
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't like I don't like places

749
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: that like they advertise on quantity, you know what I mean,

750
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: Like we have two like we have two. Like if

751
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: you advertise your bars like, oh, we have two thousand

752
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 1: board games, I'm like, that's useless. I can only I

753
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: could probably play like maybe one or two. You know.

754
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 4: Yeah.

755
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: If you were like, like if the bar was like

756
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: we have two really good games, I'd be like, all right,

757
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm in That sounds like I can get the whole thing.

758
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: Or a bar that just commits that's like you know

759
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: we we do Jenga.

760
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

761
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: You know.

762
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 4: Like I'm like I'm kind of on the same page

763
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 4: with you. Like with like like restaurants and the menus,

764
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 4: like those are a million items in the menu I have.

765
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 4: I get a lot of anxiety. I'm like, what do

766
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 4: I choose? I'd rather be like this place makes hot dogs,

767
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 4: really good hot dogs, and that's it. I'm like, all right,

768
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 4: let's go.

769
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: Exactly. Those are the most successful places, by the way,

770
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: Like Chick fil A. They're like we do a chicken sandwich.

771
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: We do a couple of other things, but we do

772
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 1: that chicken. So We don't have like a new crazy

773
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: thing every week. We just have our one thing that

774
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: we do. Yeah, I feel like a lot of light

775
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: like that, you know, like you get around one or

776
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: two things to do very well.

777
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's like pizza hut even though that doing

778
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 4: so word now, Yeah, we make pizzas and we're in

779
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 4: a hut.

780
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: So huh. Cool man. Now, how has how's dating been

781
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: for you? Are you looking for a wife? Are you

782
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: looking to have kids? Is that the whole thing? Uh?

783
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 4: More like a part like a life partner. No kids,

784
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 4: I'm I'm not going to bring anyone new into this

785
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 4: economy in this state, but definitely like like like a

786
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 4: person to be with, a person to share my life with,

787
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 4: and like I'll go out like on like a data too.

788
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 4: Every month I'm on the app site. What's strange was

789
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 4: like I I have Hinge and I had it for

790
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 4: like three or four years and I didn't use it

791
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 4: for like a year, and then I just random was like, hey,

792
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 4: I should you know, try it? And I matched with

793
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 4: like two people and I went on two different dates

794
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 4: or two different days. I think the one yesterday was

795
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 4: the one that was more promising. I'll see, but it's

796
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 4: been nice. And there's folks I talk with, like on Instagram,

797
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 4: and you know, I know, like I know, like one

798
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 4: hard role that I have. It's like I'm not dating

799
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 4: anyone at work, Like I like to keep my work

800
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 4: life in private life, like very separate.

801
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: So respects respect.

802
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, m hm.

803
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: And you said you don't sound like uh, I mean,

804
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: I know you mentioned you're a high function stutterer, but

805
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,919
Speaker 1: you haven't really been stuttering on our call. It sounds

806
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: like your stutter has gotten a lot better over the

807
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: course of your life.

808
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, it has. I think it just has to do

809
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 4: with like confidence, being more comfortable with who I am,

810
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 4: and also like I feel like I'm like the exception

811
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 4: out of the norm for other folks to start who've

812
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 4: like gone to like speech language therapy like their whole lives,

813
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 4: and a lot of folks are goal like you've never

814
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 4: been in speche language therapy. I'm like, yeah, I haven't,

815
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 4: mainly because I can't afford it in those years because

816
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 4: I was like in grad school or I can't have

817
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 4: insurance like a long time ago. So and like it's

818
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 4: usually like expensive. So and I think, what's what like

819
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 4: an interesting observation that I've noticed is like when I'm

820
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 4: with like close friends, where like I'm more comfortable, like

821
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 4: I don't have this mask on, or I guess I'm

822
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 4: more comfortable being myself. I stuttered more, but I think

823
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 4: that's because like they here and they're totally fine with it,

824
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 4: so I'm like, okay, whatever, Yeah, weird.

825
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: I would think it was. It's so funny you say that.

826
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: I would think it would be the opposite, where you

827
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: when you feel like you could just be yourself, that

828
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: you stutter less.

829
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

830
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: There's a comedian I know who he has a He

831
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: has a stutter, and people think he's faking it because

832
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: when you talk to him in real life, he doesn't

833
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: have the stutter as he's as a little bit, but

834
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the stutter as much. But then when

835
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: he goes on stage he stutters a lot. And Uh,

836
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: it's because like you know, like the stage nerves and

837
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: like the adrenaline like really uh activate the tics. So

838
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: it's interesting to hear you say that because I would

839
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: think that the ticks and whatnot they get activated more

840
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: like the more stress you have, but you're saying it's

841
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 1: like the the more chill you feel, the less uh,

842
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 1: stutter you or do you feel like the more chill

843
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: you feel, the more you stutter, Which I think is interesting.

844
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 4: I think I think it's like maybe not chill, but

845
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 4: more okay to be vulnerable. So like around people I

846
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 4: really trust, where I'm just like I'm just gonna just

847
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 4: whatever because like I feel like there's like when I'm talking,

848
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 4: like like right now, like I have I kind of

849
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 4: feel like I have I don't know, like interesting.

850
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so the stutters are like they're like farts

851
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: for you, Kyle, where it's like if I like I'm

852
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 1: like right now because you okay, what type of it's accurate?

853
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: Like right now? Because you want to like not stutter

854
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: because like you're on a podcast or whatever you are,

855
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: you like holding it in.

856
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: Sort of.

857
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 4: That I mean, like that is one good way to

858
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 4: like I never thought that way, like holding in a part.

859
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 4: I know people who stuttered are like we're all wired

860
00:48:54,920 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 4: a little differently, So yeah, maybe interesting. I know, like

861
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 4: when I give presentations or I I'm on big conference calls,

862
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 4: I have a lot of time to prep for them,

863
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 4: so like that's not minimize the stuttering.

864
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

865
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 4: I'll have to think about that more like, I guess

866
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 4: the whole like me starting more when I'm feeling more

867
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 4: vulnerable around people I trust you know. That's that's just

868
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 4: a personal observation. So I wouldn't say it's like applicable

869
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 4: for everyone who starters, because we're all wired differently. That's

870
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 4: that's what I learned from meeting other other folks started.

871
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,959
Speaker 4: And I'm not a professional and language pathology, so maybe

872
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 4: that's something that they could do like a thesis.

873
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: Son Mal, is there anything else you want to say

874
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: to the people before we go?

875
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 4: Not really, I'll be I'll be going to one of

876
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 4: your shows in one of the in a urban area

877
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 4: in the middle of the country.

878
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: The urban area in the middle of the country.

879
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 4: Of the country. Yeah, yeah, And and I don't know.

880
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 4: I mean I I'll bring like a mineral to give

881
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 4: you or something. And that's how you know me.

882
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: Oh, I would like yeah, I would like him.

883
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 4: I do this thing with like close friends where I'll

884
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 4: get like a geode and I'll have it cracked in

885
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 4: half and I'll keep my give the other and I'll

886
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 4: try to find all that's green on maybe if there's

887
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 4: right in there, because you're the get.

888
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: I like it. I would I would. I would enjoy

889
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: pondering over a green geode. I'm excited, Okay, I'm excited

890
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: to see you at my next show in the urban

891
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 1: area in the mid West.

892
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: Yes, all right.

893
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: Man, Well thanks for thanks for Sharon brother. I'll uh,

894
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: I'll see you. I'll see you at this urban area

895
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: in the Midwest.

896
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 4: Yes, totally. Yeah, I'll market dynamic calendar so I don't

897
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 4: forget because that was the ADHD and that.

898
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, cool man, thanks for sharing the storry. Man,

899
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I'll talk to you. I'll see you.

900
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: I'll see you in an urban area in the Midwest.

901
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,959
Speaker 4: You two get thank you later.

902
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, that was nice. I liked mal. I'm excited

903
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: for this green geode. Yeah, that'll be awesome. A fucking

904
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: green geode. Maybe it has like a maybe, maybe it glows.

905
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: Maybe I can jail break it to glow Yoh can

906
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: you jail break a rock to do shit that? Uh,

907
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: normal rocks don't do. I'll have to find that out. Hello, folks,

908
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: it's Lyle and uh I'm gonna read some viewer mail today.

909
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: This is a segment. It's called gek Mail, and in

910
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: it I read mail from viewers or listeners. I guess

911
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: viewers listeners. What's the difference a viewer and a listener.

912
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: I guess they're the same. I guess one is you

913
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: see something, and one as you listen to something. And

914
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 1: I guess most people are listening. But you can view

915
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: something with your ears, which is to listen to it. Okay,

916
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: so this is people who have sent me mail to

917
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: therapy geckomail at gmail dot com. Some of these are old,

918
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: but I've just been like going through the backlog. So

919
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: if you sent me an email seven or eight months ago,

920
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: I might be reading it right now. This is from Jackson,

921
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: subject line, I like to stare interesting. I live near

922
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: an arena in a large US city, and one of

923
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: my favorite pastimes is watching the waves of people leaving

924
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: a show and the traffic that comes with it. The pictures,

925
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: guys selling T shirts on the corner, group interactions, the

926
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: cool outfits. I love it all. It's just so human.

927
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: I just saw a girl in full pink body paint

928
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: and that's sick as hell. I make little lives in

929
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: my head for these people, like their sims. I feel

930
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: like the Watcher in the what If Marble series, like

931
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: I'm in spectator mode. It's relaxing, letting my mind wander

932
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 1: and be creative in that way. I guess I like

933
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: to guess the type of people that come to whatever

934
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: show is playing that night. It's a fun little game

935
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: I get to play before bed, pretty soothing after you

936
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: get used to all the honking and that is all piecing.

937
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: Gek Jackson, that's a nice little email. Thank you for

938
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: sharing that.

939
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 4: You know.

940
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things about living in a city

941
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: is you get to watch the world go by, like

942
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: just sitting on a bench and like looking at people

943
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 1: and thinking about the lives, you know, staring at them

944
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: real good. Uh, thinking about who they might be thinking

945
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 1: about their life is like, yeah, I like doing that too.

946
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: It's there's a word for it. It's called sounder. You

947
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: guys know that word. Let me look up the official

948
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: definition of this word sounder. Sounder is the profound realization

949
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: that every passer by is living a life as vivid, complex,

950
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: and central to them as yours is to you. Coined

951
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: by John Coning in the Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows. It

952
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: captures the feeling of recognizing the hidden depths and stories

953
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: of strangers. That's cool, man, Yeah. I like doing that too.

954
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: I like seeing. I like looking at people's shirts and

955
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: being like, what's written on like us shirt? What the

956
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: hell is Patagonia? Is that a real place? Thank you

957
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: for sharing Jackson. Let's see here. Okay, that one's way

958
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: too long. Oh how about this? Okay? This one? The

959
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: subject line of this is what the hell am I doing? Parentheses?

960
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: Running for public office? Dearest Gek call me William. I

961
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: hope this email founds you grounded and well. I'm in

962
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: my twenties and recently married. The build up to the

963
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: wedding was a lot of stress, as we did everything

964
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: diy to save money. It was great, but exhausting. Then

965
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,959
Speaker 1: comes my dilemma. After the wedding, I experienced a big

966
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: emotional crash. This is common, but I have dealt with

967
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: it in a strange way. I've decided to run for

968
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: public office. This hasn't come out of nowhere. I'm very

969
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: interested in policy, and maybe I would have done this

970
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: later in my life. But why have I not let

971
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: myself relax after such a big milestone. I've got this

972
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: thing where I cannot just be Do you ever feel

973
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: this way? I have a lot of projects, like yourself,

974
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: but I feel like you've mastered the art of chilling.

975
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: I can't do it. How do you do it? Okay,

976
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: before I start reading this email at I have I

977
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: really given off the feeling that I have mastered the

978
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: art of chilling. That's not even kind of vaguely, remotely

979
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: sort of true. I have, in no way, shape or form,

980
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 1: mastered the art of chilling. I don't really like chilling.

981
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm like you, and so I can't just be I

982
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: don't really like sitting around. I like to do a

983
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: lot of things. I like to be out there. I

984
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: like to challenge myself and you know, keep growing and expanding.

985
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think that just just I'm I

986
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: don't like just chilling. You said, I don't regret starting

987
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: this project, but I can't go back now without a

988
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 1: lot of ridicule slash shame and knowing that, oh wait,

989
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 1: you said, I okay, I don't regret starting this project,

990
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: but I can't go back now. So why would you know?

991
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: Why would you go back if you don't regret it.

992
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: I'm locked into this. Knowing that I'm locked into this

993
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: process for three to four years is scary. I love

994
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: you got go man, big love. Young William. I don't

995
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: think there's anything wrong with this, young William run for

996
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: public office. What's the what's what's the problem?

997
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 2: Man?

998
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: You don't need to just chill. You don't fucking need

999
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: to do anything. Just do do the thing that you

1000
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: want to do. Man, if this is what you want

1001
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 1: to do, just do it. I don't have a good,

1002
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: cool thing to say about this. I think you should

1003
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: just let's do it if you want to do it.

1004
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: It's good to do things. I don't think it's bad.

1005
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: The framing that you have that it's bad to do

1006
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: things I disagree with. I think it's good. I think

1007
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: it's good. Or the framing that I don't think you

1008
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: have a frame that it's bad to do things, but

1009
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: you have a framing that it's bad to not be

1010
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: able to just chill. Accept it, dude, accept it and

1011
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: lean into it. I've accepted that I can't just chill.

1012
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: I've accepted that I can't just sit around and like,

1013
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: you know, being with friends and like relationships are really important,

1014
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: but like I can't just chill. I also have to

1015
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: like do stuff. So I'm with you on that. You know,

1016
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: and it's okay, man, It's not a big deal do stuff.

1017
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,439
Speaker 1: This is the last one one. This is the last one.

1018
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: This is from Nicholas subject line surviving until GTA six

1019
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: comes out. Hey, Gek, I was listening to your new

1020
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: gak mail episode. Oh this is from a year ago.

1021
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: Oh it is from way over a year ago. It's

1022
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: from May nineteenth, twenty twenty five. Oh holy shit. Okay,

1023
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: hey Gek, I was listening to your new gak mail episode,

1024
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: and I relate so to your perspective on Grand theftout

1025
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: of six and this period of time we're living in.

1026
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: Have I read this email already? It's unread on my kid.

1027
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: Whatever I'm gonna let's just read it. I wanted to

1028
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: comment this on Spotify, but I already left a comment.

1029
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: I too, can say that GTA six coming out is

1030
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: what I value the most at this point in my life.

1031
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm nineteen years old. You mentioned how you feel included

1032
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: in this big historical event, and you've never been more

1033
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: content with simply existing in a single as a single

1034
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: individual in this sea of people who are also anticipating

1035
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: GTA six. Yes, I will say, GTA six has it

1036
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: has quelled my excidential dread. I talked about this before

1037
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: it is a good. It's a good. You know, as

1038
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: you get older, life stops having as many, uh, you know,

1039
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: inherent markers. But GTA six it's a big one. I

1040
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: know exactly what you're talking about. It's rare when I

1041
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: feel comfortable with the idea of being just one person

1042
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 1: out of seven billion. With GTA six, though, I feel

1043
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: okay with it, which I think is due to that

1044
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: sense of relatability between all the people who have been

1045
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: waiting for GTA six so intensely. It's nice to feel

1046
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: like you're on a team, included in the group of

1047
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: individuals who have experienced the same duration of time between

1048
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: GTA five and now as I have. It's a feeling

1049
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: of togetherness. I think GTA six is inspiring asf It's

1050
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: May right now, and we have about a year to

1051
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: develop ourselves to create a healthy and somewhat sustainable stable

1052
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: mindset in time to play GTA six. GTA six is

1053
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: frequently in the background of my thoughts. It acts like

1054
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: a reminder in my mind that they need to lock in.

1055
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: It's an aspiration to be better. Let's really get there.

1056
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: I wish you luck Lyle GTA six Day one Nicholas, Wow,

1057
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: this was a year ago. My life has not improved

1058
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: since then. I there's been vague improvements, but not the

1059
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: ones that I wanted. But there's still time. There's still

1060
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: five months left until GTA six, one, two, three, like

1061
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: four and a half. How can I improve my life in

1062
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: four and a half months some time for GTA six.

1063
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: That's the real question. Okay, thank you for reminding me

1064
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: about this, Nicholas. I mean you didn't really remind me

1065
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: about it. I reminded myself by finding this old email.

1066
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: But we're gonna do things. I'm gonna yeah, maybe I

1067
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: can lose three hundred pounds before GTA six comes out

1068
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: and you know, get a Maybe maybe I can sweep.

1069
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: I'll think of some better stuff later. That's the podcast,

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Speaker 1: FoST Thank Thank you guys, Thank you guys for listening.

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Speaker 1: I have a couple. I have a new development. I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna film a special. I'm really excited about it.

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Speaker 1: I'll probably talk about it more on the podcast coming along,

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Speaker 1: But if you are in New York City on August

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Speaker 1: twenty ninth, I am filming a special at the at

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Speaker 1: the Bell House in Brooklyn, New York. Basically, I've been

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Speaker 1: touring for the past like six not six year. I've

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Speaker 1: been touring for like four years, and like my shows

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Speaker 1: are like half material from me and half bringing up

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Speaker 1: the audience to talk. And I decided, I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I want to Like I've never put out any of

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Speaker 1: the material from the half that's me. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: take all the material that I've been doing over the

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Speaker 1: past like four years of touring and I'm gonna put

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Speaker 1: it into like a kind of kind of corral it

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Speaker 1: into a little one man show type of thing, and

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Speaker 1: then I'm gonna perform it, and I'm gonna film it

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna put it up on YouTube, and I'm

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Speaker 1: excited for it. If you want to be a part

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Speaker 1: of that, go to Therapy, getco tour dot com, and

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Speaker 1: come see my show at the Bellhouse on August twenty ninth,

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Speaker 1: and if you want to see me do stuff in general,

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Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna run the One Man's Show in a

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Speaker 1: couple places. I'll probably run it at my Appleton, Wisconsin show,

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Speaker 1: and probably a few shows between then and uh when

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Speaker 1: I when I'm in Brooklyn. So Therapy, get goo tour

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Speaker 1: dot com. If you want to be a part to

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Speaker 1: help me figure this stuff out. But that's about it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys for listening, Thank you guys for tuning in,

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Speaker 1: and I'll see all you folks again around the universe.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys for listening to the podcast. Happy Fourth

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Speaker 1: of July and try not try to stay alive until

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Speaker 1: at least g t A six comes out beautiful. Thanks

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Speaker 1: everyone goes on the line, Thank you your phone calls

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Speaker 1: every night.

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