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Speaker 2: in to what I think is the easiest team to

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Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on where to draft Joe Burrow?

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Speaker 2: What about Tyler Boyd? You know, fifty one is his

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Speaker 2: So like that just that this is a testament to

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Speaker 2: Or is that right? Considering you know what we kind

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Speaker 1: I will take Wizard, you know, eighty percent of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, full PPR also probably bumps up a little more more,

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't mind him there a little bit

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Speaker 2: tight end thirty two, I feel like he could beat that.

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Speaker 2: You know, Uzoma was like the tight end nineteen overall,

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Speaker 2: fair expectation for Hayden Hurst, and he's probably a better

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, and I love him here. Obviously, this isn't

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Speaker 1: you know, a recommendation for your home league where everyone's

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Speaker 1: he's not going to have you know, consistent tight end

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Speaker 2: And you know, you could argue he's a better talent.

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Speaker 1: Who's almost fifth round, who's almost just you know, basically

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Speaker 1: I think Hayden Hurst has you know, high end tight

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Speaker 2: Now, the one thing I'm curious, like, where do you

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Speaker 2: I I do worry a little bit that, like it's

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Speaker 1: I think he gets most of these almost snaps and

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Speaker 1: fifty five sixty just because I don't like, I don't

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Speaker 2: I just don't think we can guarantee that he's going

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Speaker 2: But like, if if Sample's lining up as let's say,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. I think, you know, it's something to monitor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you heard it here. Sexy tight end twenty three

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Speaker 1: I'm blaming him for my t Higgins was fifty to one.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, I had a ticket too. It's

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Speaker 2: all sad tickets.

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Speaker 1: Samaj p Ryan's fault, it's still his fault.

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Speaker 1: Oh the irony Joe Mixon backed him up in college.

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Speaker 1: How crazy is that?

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Speaker 1: you know, rushing touchdowns. So I love getting Joe Mixon

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Speaker 1: But this year I am actively targeting him at running

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess, I guess. I don't just say

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Speaker 2: just like, he just never really has those like me,

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Speaker 2: like you just kind of know what you're getting, Like

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Speaker 2: what I mean. It's like you kind of know what

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Speaker 1: He's turning twenty six this here, right, so I think

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Speaker 1: he has one more elite season. Maybe next year is

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. He had a career high hundred nights. He's

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Speaker 2: scrimmage y last year. Okay, anybody this is not really

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Well, for the sleeper,

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Speaker 1: everybody in this offense. Maybe Joe Burrow might, like we

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Speaker 1: But when you're investing in anybody else, you're sort of

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, I mean, would I would be highly surprised

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Speaker 1: There's no good There's no way he can't bust. I'm

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Speaker 1: just which one of these guys would you want? I can't.

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Speaker 1: We only bagged. We only bagged on him, but saun

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's like a true handcuff. I'm trying to

429
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 1: get you to say one good thing about Smudge Apurend.

430
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think And we're going to the

431
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 2: Baltimore rate, all right, Well, not gonna get me. Yeah,

432
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:27,159
Speaker 2: let's talk about Lamar Jackson. He's the quarterback four in

433
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:32,360
Speaker 2: eighty p and the thing that kind of worries well, yeah,

434
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 2: I guess you could say nothing. I think there's probably

435
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 2: more than one. But the major thing that worries me

436
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 2: is that they still have not fortified this receiving corps

437
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: given the loss of Hollywood Brown and Jackson. Eight point

438
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 2: two yards per attempt to Brown seven point seven to

439
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 2: everyone else, seven point eight percent, touchdown rate to Brown

440
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 2: six point seven percent to everyone else in the three

441
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,439
Speaker 2: years that he's had Brown. So there's a little bit

442
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 2: of it is a pretty good drop off there. I mean,

443
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 2: half the yard is big in terms of yards per attent,

444
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 2: but More importantly, they didn't really replace him with any

445
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 2: like Rashan Bateman. Yeah, he bumps up one, but you

446
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 2: know he's unproven and then proche Tyland Wallace and Devin

447
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 2: Duverne that this could be you know, right there with

448
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 2: the Falcons and as like the worst receiving corps in

449
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 2: the league. So I mean QB four given all that, like,

450
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 2: is this is that still a QB four or is

451
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: are you worried?

452
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 1: Oh? I'm definitely worried. But his his rushing upside is

453
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 1: so massive that he has a really high force. I

454
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: think QB four is about right. But you know, we

455
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: just can't dream of the days of the twenty nineteen

456
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson where he's just you know, berline illegal for

457
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 1: fantasy football. So you know, I'm probably not drafting him

458
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: in this range. And you know, I think there's a

459
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: chance they might bring in like a Julio Jones or

460
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: Will Fuller type, you know, get them for what four

461
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: games that they have to bring in somebody because, like

462
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 1: you said, the depth chart behind Rashad Bateman is really bad.

463
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 1: I mean runs here the Patriots a couple of years ago.

464
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: So they're gonna have to do something but just having

465
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: Bateman and Andrews, you know, he should be able to

466
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 1: hit high end QB one production just based on his

467
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 1: rushing ability. So I think his ceiling is certainly capped,

468
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: but his rushing upside is too good to really ignore.

469
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: But he's being drafted about where he should be. But again,

470
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to say it again rather have Jalen Hurts

471
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: a bit later on who has the Lamar Jackson twenty

472
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: nineteen kind of upside?

473
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would say forget QB four just

474
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 2: like where QB four goes overall is like forty eighth,

475
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 2: Like that's end a round four to twelve team league. Like,

476
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 2: I think that's too hot. I just think there's too

477
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 2: many question marks. Number one is the receiving cores. Two

478
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 2: is like, you know, even if you bring in a

479
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 2: free agent like there, how long are they going to

480
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 2: have to work with Brown with Lamar? You know, given

481
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 2: that f they're still not one air then I don't

482
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 2: know if did you get a chance to see those

483
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 2: comment by Willie Snead at all about why people don't

484
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: want to go there? No, So he was, you know,

485
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 2: he was, he was on that twenty nineteen team, and

486
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 2: he was kind of talking about why receivers really don't

487
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: want to go to Baltimore and why Hollywood wanted out,

488
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: and he was saying, like, you know, the passing game

489
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: is you know, Roman, really it's not creative. It's the

490
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 2: wide receivers aren't stressed, and it's just kind of built

491
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 2: around a running game and the tight ends and heavy personnel.

492
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: And then on top of that, that's what Snead said.

493
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: And then so I'm and then and then to add

494
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 2: that to the fact that what I noticed last year

495
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 2: was that defenses started to really figure them out and

496
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: it wasn't it wasn't multiple, which is something Steed kind

497
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: of said, is like, it's not multiple. It's not like

498
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 2: they're not game planning week to week for different defenses.

499
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: It's just kind of we're gonna do what we're gonna do.

500
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 2: Sometimes it works, but like it just stopped working as well.

501
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 2: And look at like Jackson that twenty nineteen season, he

502
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: had a nine percent touchdo down rate. Then twenty twenty

503
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 2: went to six point nine, which is still very good,

504
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 2: and then last year it went to four point two percent.

505
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: So it's like his his you know, his touchdown rate

506
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 2: is going down. His adjusted yards per attempt twenty nineteen

507
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: eight point nine, twenty twenty seven point six, twenty twenty

508
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: one six point nine. Like defenses have just been figuring

509
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: Romans this offense out, not just last year but four

510
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: years now. Like it just been like a slow burden.

511
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: We haven't really noticed it because he's still running and

512
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 2: putting highlights, but it's like the signs are there for

513
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 2: you not to blow like a fourth round pick on

514
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson as well. Yeah, and they're they're going to

515
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 2: be really right.

516
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: They're going to go back to their extreme run heavy

517
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: roots because they're getting both running backs, you know, hopefully

518
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: by a week one h that's.

519
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 2: Draft that two tight ends in round four.

520
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: Uh oh. I just want to put this out there.

521
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: But remember at the end of last season, like my

522
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: model was upgrading the pass catchers whenever Tyler Huntley, so

523
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: that was interesting. So yeah, maybe the system, maybe Lamar

524
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: is kind of benefiting from the system. That isn't great anyway,

525
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: but Tyler Huntley really boosted Mark Andrews Marky's Brown to

526
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: a certain extent, and definitely Rashaw Bateman's projections in my

527
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: mall last year. So it's just worth noting I don't think,

528
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: you know, Huntley's going to replace Jackson, but it just

529
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: goes to show. But yeah, I'm with you, especially when

530
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: it comes to draft strategy. I typically avoid sort of

531
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: the QB four anyway, But Lamar Jackson, there's enough question

532
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: marks and concerns where I'm probably not gonna be targeting

533
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: him at all.

534
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I mean, and again, I know we were

535
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: looking for running quarterbacks, but like Howard Murray's well, Kyler

536
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: Murray's going like almost ten picks later. But Justin Herbert

537
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 2: is kind of is a QB three. Like I would

538
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 2: much rather have Justin Herbert at this point than Lamar.

539
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: I mean, Herbers just scratching a surface. And yeah, I

540
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 2: just I just can't We just can't guarantee Lamar's passing efficiency.

541
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 2: I mean there is a point where like, yeah, running

542
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: is great, but like if every year his passing efficiency

543
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: keeps dropping, it looks like it's gonna drop again given

544
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 2: the receiving corps. Yeah, it's just too high. So Bateman,

545
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: you know, I was just watching his tape, kind of

546
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: rewatching all his plays from last year because I'm I

547
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: feel like I don't have a feel for Rashan Bateman,

548
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: if that makes sense, Like I know, like I like

549
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: it from the perspective of, Okay, he's going to his

550
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 2: wide receiver forty one and he is going to be

551
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 2: the number one receiver, but really Mark Andrews is the

552
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 2: number one receiver. It's gonna be a low volume offense.

553
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: His targets per route run was fifteen point nine percent

554
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: for the season last year, but it did bump to

555
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: twenty point two percent over the last five weeks. That's

556
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: great for a rookie to show that improvement, but most

557
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: of that was with Tyler Huntley. So it's like, I

558
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 2: don't And then it's like when you watch the film,

559
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: it's like he had some nice nifty routes and yards

560
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: after the catch, but nothing was really amazing. He scored

561
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: one touchdown. I think it was like, I don't know,

562
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 2: like what is your feel for Bateman because I feel

563
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: like I don't have a good good grasp one.

564
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel the same way. But we do have

565
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: to remember that he missed what was the first five

566
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: games last year. He pulled his growing I want to say,

567
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: like early August, so I think that really contributed to

568
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: his slower start, even when he returned, but at the

569
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: end of the season he did show you know, flashes.

570
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: If I think his upside he could be, you know,

571
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: a target hog. He's going to have to be. I mean,

572
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: look at the depth chart behind him. So I think

573
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: when it comes to Bateman, we're just kind of banking

574
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: on that volume. And I think he is good enough,

575
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: and certainly he's good enough to have a year two

576
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: leap where I think, especially where he's going, which is

577
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: around wide receiver forty one, even if they do bring

578
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: in Julio Jones or Will Fuller or t Y Hill

579
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: and I don't even know who's out there where I

580
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: would really downgrade him that much. I still like him

581
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: at wide receiver forty one. Right now, I'm projecting him

582
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: wide receiver thirty three. I mean, he probably doesn't have

583
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,479
Speaker 1: you know, wide receiver one upside, but certainly he has

584
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: wide receiver two upside if he and Lamar klick. But

585
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: like you said that, the real alpha in this past

586
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: game is Mark Andrews and Bateman's number two. But they're

587
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: just there. Isn't anybody really behind him that I have

588
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: feeling targets from him.

589
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. He's just it's like it's not like,

590
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: oh my god, this guy is like amazing, like he's

591
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: gonna blow right now with the opportunity. But it's also

592
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: just like, Okay, there's no one else. But I think

593
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: for me, it's just like I'm expecting just a ridiculous

594
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: season from Mark Andrews. I just think. I just think.

595
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: I just think Mark, like I think Mark Andrews and

596
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: like Travis Kelce obviously is in the same, Like I

597
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: think they really neck and neck. Andrew's actually outscored in

598
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: points per game last year, but like I think like

599
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: they could be. If you drafted Andrews over Kelsey, I

600
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 2: wouldn't blame you one bit. Like I just think he's

601
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: gonna have a ridiculous season.

602
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I wouldn't blame you at all. But

603
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: I think looking at overall ADP, I think you get

604
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: Andrews about ten spots later.

605
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: Yep.

606
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you said, I have literally tied. I have

607
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: the exact same for back to the points projection for me.

608
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, getting Andrews ten picks later considering his just

609
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: like you said, he just has massive, massive upside heading

610
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: into the season. So yeah, I love the idea of

611
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: getting him ten picks later than Kelsey.

612
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like it. It makes sense. I guess from

613
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: the standpoint of both of them are going to just

614
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: be ridiculously like targeted. But I guess Kelsey just because

615
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: the past attempts are going to be so much greater

616
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: in Kansas City and obviously the quarterback is greater. That's

617
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: that does give him the nod. But like we've seen

618
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: Andrews on a per route basis, like put up such

619
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: ridiculous numbers like, yeah, he's been targeted like at over

620
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: thirty percent you know, per per route, like.

621
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: It's getting routes like that was before he was, you know,

622
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: getting eighty percent of routes. So any he has just

623
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: massive touch on upside, so does Kelsey obviously, But I

624
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: think Andrew's just like, especially at this point in their career,

625
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: Andrews is like entering his prime right now, whereas Kelsey

626
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: you mentioned it on the past pods. I think they're

627
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: just tight ends. They don't really fall off a cliff

628
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: like other positions. But Kelsey is turning thirty three, so

629
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: you have to sort of factor in some decline, whereas

630
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: you know, Andrews is like smack dab in the middle

631
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: of his prime right now.

632
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is yeah, this is this is this is

633
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: a blow up season for Andrews. I don't think we

634
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: really have to talk about any of the other pass catches.

635
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: It's gonna be some combination of Proche, do Brene, and

636
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: Wildace out. Yeah, there's no, there's no, there's not even

637
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: like a kJ Osbourne. I don't think that we can

638
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: like kind of at least not now. I think if

639
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: it was, it would be Proche. I think he's the

640
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: guy that's kind of making a noise at camp. He's

641
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: the guy that will probably be that number three do Verney.

642
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: We've already seen him kind of be the starter and

643
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: not do anything. So it's like Proche's that we used

644
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: to got it like we have. We can't rule him

645
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: out yet, but I highly doubt that that, you know,

646
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: it's anything worthwhile for fantasy? Yeah, no, they have to

647
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: sign a veteran.

648
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: Like there's no way they can enter the season with

649
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: these three guys competing for the number two and three slot.

650
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: No way. Yeah, let's go to running back JK. Dobbins

651
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: RB twenty. I just think that's too high, you know,

652
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: we and here's the reason, Like it's not just because

653
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: he averages barely over a catch a game, and because

654
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: Gus Edwards, you know, if they're both healthy, they would

655
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: still split time and be a committee. But you know,

656
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: something I didn't even really think about when we've we've

657
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: talked about Dobbins a ton is that his ACL injury

658
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: also involved damage to the LCO, which is like the

659
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: ligament that runs along the outside of any It's like

660
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: that lengthens his overall recovery time and increases his injury

661
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: risk going forward, according to doctor A who was talking

662
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: about him in the athletics. So like, just like if

663
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: you're putting him in Edwards on equal footing in terms

664
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: of the recovery, that's not actually true. Like Edwards should

665
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: be on pace to recover first, and Edwards has never

666
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: averaged less than eight point three attempts per game in

667
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: a season, And like after both of them got hurt,

668
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: like they're not just gonna give Dobbins, like you know,

669
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: like eighteen twenty carries a game. I don't think so,

670
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: Like I just think this this RB twenty ranked ADP

671
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: is a head scratcher.

672
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's way too high. And they're already talking

673
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: about they're gonna limit both Dobbins and Edwards, you know,

674
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: in week one or just in the early portion of

675
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: the season. And I'm just gonna use my notes from

676
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: last year because both players to their acl before the

677
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: season even started, and I was saying, yeah, if you

678
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: want to bet on talent and the lead back in

679
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: sort of a you know, split backfield, go for Dobbins.

680
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: But he's like sort of a frozen pond running back

681
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: and he's very limited in the passing game, so his

682
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: upside is capped. And it's also capped just based on

683
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: Gus Edwards always iphoning touches away. So I said it

684
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: last year, but I'll say it again this year. Give

685
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: me Gus Edwards nearly thirty five slots later this year,

686
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 1: he's around like RB fifty three. This time last year

687
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: he was like our thirty five, and I was still

688
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: saying guitar him. So I love just taking Edwards way

689
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: way later, and you're getting a cheaper version of JK.

690
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: Dobbins essentially, And Edwards is a guy that you don't

691
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: need at the beginning of the season anyway. So if

692
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: they're kind of limiting both their carries, who cares you

693
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: would really only need Edwards once the bye week start,

694
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: and you're buying time for Dobbins potentially missing time. So

695
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: that makes me just like Edwards even more. But if

696
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: you look at their splits towards the end of the

697
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: twenty twenty season, that was the last time they both played,

698
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: they were very close in terms of usage. So while

699
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: we would consider JK. Dobbins the superior talent, I mean

700
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: Edwards is getting similar touches and you know around the

701
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: goal line too, So just I love getting Edwards way

702
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: way later.

703
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, I think the time to draft

704
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: Dobbins was, you know, his rookie year he was going

705
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: outside the top thirty and finish RB twenty three. Like

706
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: now like we're expecting him to do even better than that.

707
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 2: You know, I just don't see it coming off that injury,

708
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: and you know, with a with a longer recovery time

709
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 2: wine and yeah, and then so Mike Davis is here,

710
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 2: Tyler Bady the rookie I guess those guys are Maybe

711
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: they'll be relevant for a week or two if if

712
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: Edwards and Dobbin's aren't ready for the season, But nothing

713
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 2: much to see there. It's it's the one thing about

714
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: Baltimore I will say, it's kind of we kind of

715
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: know where the touches are going. It's like Bateman Andrews

716
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: Dobbins Edwards, so that that's that's that. Uh, yes, so

717
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: sleeper bust. We got uh for the sleeper.

718
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta go with Gus Edwards all the

719
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: way just based on his ADP and we shaw Bateman

720
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: into a certain step. We'll have to see if they

721
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: add a veteran, but I still like him as a

722
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: wide receiver forty one ADP.

723
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: Uh for the bus, it's got to be JK.

724
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: Dobbins for everything we said, you're just overspending for guy

725
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: who's sort of on the top of a two way committee.

726
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: You know, Lamar Jackson is probably the lead dog in

727
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: terms of the Russian game, but just Dobbins, you're overspending

728
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: on talent.

729
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know, just like a two down

730
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 2: back on top of all that, Like it's not even

731
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: like if he if he were healthy, he would be

732
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: like an eighty five percent snap you know, three four

733
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: catch a week guy along with it with the carries.

734
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's tough. Let's go to Cleveland, and actually

735
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: let's go let's do Cleveland last because I feel like

736
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: that's okay, Let's go to Pittsburgh's's because Cleveland we got

737
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: the most to talk about. Yeah, h Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is

738
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: you know, they have a little quarterback battle. I mean,

739
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: the B writers seem to think Trubisky is gonna start

740
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 2: Week one. You know, he's been getting all the first

741
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 2: team reps. We'll see what happens with Pickett. Apparently Rudolph

742
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: has a chance. But uh, is there anything you can

743
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 2: can do with these quarterbacks? I mean, you know, given

744
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: that we don't know.

745
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, obviously it's it's super easy just to

746
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: shoot all over Trubisky. But I've been reading the same

747
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: reports as you. It looks like he has the inside

748
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: track to start Week one, and he's in a pretty

749
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: good spot. I mean, they have a ton of weapons.

750
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: You know, he has Dante Johnson, Chase Pokeble. I love

751
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: both rookies they drafted. He has Pat Farmoved at tight end,

752
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: so he has weapons. He has a dual credibility. I mean,

753
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: they probably do want to see what he has left

754
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: in the tank. And I thought he was smart last

755
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: year to back up Josh Allen. He impressed in preseason,

756
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't just completely pass him up. I mean,

757
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: if you're in like a best ball format and you

758
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: want to get really frisky, he could target him super late.

759
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: I think he has the upside to start every game.

760
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: I mean it's probably unlikely, but there is that potential.

761
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: So I think if there were one of the quarterbacks

762
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: the target, it'd be him. Can he pick it at

763
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: ADP twenty five? I'm completely off. I mean, there's no

764
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: guarantee he's starting by what week five? But I did

765
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: love his draft capital. I mean, he was the only

766
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: quarterback drafted in the first round. He has some rushing

767
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 1: up side. I love the landing spot. Like I said,

768
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: they both quarterbacks already have a ton of talent around them.

769
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: But just EIGHTYB twenty five, why would you stand up

770
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: for guy that we don't know exactly when or if

771
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: he will start? So I think all these two, I

772
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: think true Wisky has some sneaky upside. Just take a

773
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: couple of flyers on him. I wouldn't go crazy or anything,

774
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: but you know, we can't really project either quarterback to

775
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: start more than eight games.

776
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: I think my biggest question is what do you think

777
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: the pass run splits will look like? For Pittsburgh this

778
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: year because even though they had like the ghost of

779
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: Ben Roethlisberger, the corpse, whatever you wanna call it, last year,

780
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: they threw the ball six hundred and sixty four times.

781
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: That was fourth most in the league. I just can't

782
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: see them throwing that much, whether it's Drew Bisky or

783
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: pick it. Oh.

784
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna be a lot more balanced. I mean,

785
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: they had the fourth most passed attempts last season, so

786
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna be more balanced. We could talk about that.

787
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: When it comes to the Nauj Harris, I think you know,

788
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna lean on him more. They keep saying they're

789
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: gonna take away some touches from I don't see that happening.

790
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, they're gonna be a little bit more balanced.

791
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 1: So that's that's gonna unfortunately take away from the targets

792
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: we saw for you know, Deontay Johnson, Chase Claypool. So yeah,

793
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: especially with these quarterbacks being dual threat quarterbacks, we're gonna

794
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: see more scrambling that we never saw with Big Ben.

795
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, the overall passing volume is certainly going down.

796
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: The efficiency might stay the same or even get better.

797
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say big Ben was good at all,

798
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: but yeah, certainly the attempts will go down.

799
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what that's what I think as well. I

800
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: just if Truebisky's your start, right, you cannot throw the

801
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: ball six hundred no, not like maybe not even five

802
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: hundred and sixtyfore Yeah, and so Deontay Johnson, that's what

803
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: I was kind of getting at earlier. Why receive fourteen?

804
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a talented guy, he's entering his prime,

805
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 2: so it does. It's not egregious or anything, but you know,

806
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, like I do wonder a little bit

807
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: just like what what it's going to look like with

808
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: less attempts because he had one hundred and sixty nine

809
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: targets last year. He only averages ten point nine yards

810
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: per catch for his career, so he needs volume to

811
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 2: truly be that you know, that wide receiver one or

812
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 2: high end wide receiver two. So where do you where

813
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 2: do you? Where are you ranking him headed into twenty twenty? Yeah,

814
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 2: that's exactly what I was going to say. He needs

815
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 2: that volume, and unfortunately he won't get it this year.

816
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, having Trubisky or Picket under

817
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: center definitely caps his four end ceiling combo. So why

818
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: receiver fourteen? Well, last year, I mean we were ranking

819
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: him inside the top ten every week. We loved him.

820
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: But this year I'm downgrading him a ton, And why

821
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: receiver fourteen sitting atop that massive wide receiver two tier

822
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: I'm talking about where I have almost fifteen wide receivers

823
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: within two points of each other. So I'm not one

824
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: to be taking guys at the top of that tier.

825
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: So I'm probably off him at wide receiver fourteen. Unfortunately,

826
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: that's probably when you should be targeting, you know, other

827
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: positions like Kyle Pitts. I know you love Kyle Pitts.

828
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: He's sitting there, Leonard Fournette, Guys like that are around

829
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: when Dantia Johnson's going. So he just doesn't fit my

830
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: draft strategy and I have ranked a bit lower he's

831
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: right now. I have him wide receiver nineteen and that range.

832
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: So he's just a tough sell for me based on

833
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: the decrease and volume that they're gonna have this year.

834
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: So while I'm a Deontay Johnson fan in terms of talent,

835
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: just the situation around him definitely lowers his productions this year.

836
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, look at the numbers last year,

837
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 2: and I just don't I don't think that's realistic. You

838
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: know that the one hundred and sixty nine targets and

839
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: the you know, eleven sixty one in terms of the yards.

840
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: I think a more realistic season for him would be

841
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 2: his twenty twenty season, where he had eighty eight catches

842
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: for nine hundred and twenty three yards and seven touchdowns

843
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: and finishes the wide receiver twenty one. I think that's

844
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: kind of more in line with what I would expect

845
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 2: from him this year. I just I think that last

846
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 2: season that's just that's probably going to be an outlier,

847
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: just because one hundred and sixty nine targets exactly, and

848
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 2: then Chase Claypooh's at wide receiver forty what do you

849
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 2: think it at ADP?

850
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he has, you know, wide receiver to upside

851
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 1: in terms of talent, but this this offense probably isn't

852
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: going to be conducive for him. And I really like, uh,

853
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, George Pickens. I think he has similar skills

854
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: to Claypole's. I think he could eat into his snaps

855
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: and targets more than people realize. So I'm probably off Claypool.

856
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: I think Claypoole sort of needs the efficiency to increase

857
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: and we're probably not gonna get that with Rubisky and Pickett,

858
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: and you know, Pat Farrenmouth is probably going to see

859
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: a boost and usage this year as well. So just

860
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: based on you know, the range where Claypole's going, I

861
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: rather take guys that have more clear cut upside than Claypool.

862
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: I'm ranking him right there, right around why he is

863
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: here for forty, But I just think his upside just

864
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: based on the QB situation.

865
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Johnson is still and Claypool is going to

866
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 2: move around little bit more. I think they're trying him

867
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: in the slat as well. But Johnson just his target

868
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: for out run like he's going to be that you

869
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: expect him to be that alpha dog, yeah, in that offense. Yeah.

870
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 2: So you like Pickings, he's going wide receiver sixty seven,

871
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: any value there? You think he's still like a year away.

872
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: Oh, he's definitely a year away. I just liked him

873
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: heading into the draft. You know, his second round pick

874
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: out of Georgia. His last season college, you know, he

875
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 1: didn't get to play much because he was recovering from

876
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: an ACL tear. So I think he's more of a

877
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three kind of pick, but he's worth a

878
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, a late round stash because if either Deontae

879
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: Johnson or Tracey Plap will miss his time, I mean,

880
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: he'll probably just spot right into the starting lineup. So

881
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: I think he does have a path to you know,

882
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: not hitting like wide receiver three value or something, but

883
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: having some good games this season. But he's more of

884
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: a guy to keep an eye out for, you know,

885
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: next season and beyond. I think he has that kind

886
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: of talent that you know, especially in Dynasty formats. I've

887
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: been targeting him in Dynasty, but yeah, this year he's

888
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: kind of stuck between these two I receivers, but long

889
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: term upset for sure.

890
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 2: What do you think about Calvin Austin the third? I

891
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 2: know he's like more of a slot guy, but any

892
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: any interest in him, not really.

893
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: I mean he's sort of an upgrade of that Ray

894
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: Ray McCloud roll right, So, but that's about it. I

895
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: don't think he really has upside in terms of fantasy. Yeah,

896
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: like he's more of just like I guess, like a

897
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: Rondelle more kind of talent where he might be exciting

898
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: and good for the real life team, but for fantasy

899
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: especially this year. I don't really see the path to

900
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: upside there.

901
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: Pat fryar mos He mentioned him. I really like him

902
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: this year. He's going a tight end ten. I do

903
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: think there's a chance he can beat that, just because

904
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: you know, he was tight end thirteen as a rookie

905
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: and he wasn't even really the true like starter or like,

906
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: you know, they kind of eased him in a little bit.

907
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: His snapcout went up as the year progress, But I

908
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 2: look back, he's one of only five rookie tight ends

909
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: since the merger in nineteen seventy with sixty or more

910
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: receptions as a rookie at the tight end position. Now

911
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: that's like five since nineteen seventy, so like it kind

912
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: of you know, it has my attention. I don't think

913
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 2: it's out of the question that like he could end

914
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: up developing into the number two target behind Johnson if Claypool.

915
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 2: You know, maybe they keep using him outside and you

916
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: know it's just tough to kind of get the ball

917
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: to him sometimes down the field, like Brians could turn

918
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: into that number two option pretty quickly.

919
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. And last I mean I love his talent

920
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: last year I was standing alarm on him on Baby

921
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: Gronk just before a Brown went down. I says like,

922
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: if if Eric Ebron ever missed his time, yeah, you

923
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: better have this guy. And I think he was overlooked

924
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: last year because Kyle pitts obviously generational talent at tight end.

925
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: But any other draft class, Pat Farmith would have been

926
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: the top tight end drafted and more people would have

927
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: been aware of him and paying attention to him. So

928
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: he has it upside. I think tight end ten is

929
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: probably a bit rich, especially just given the quarterback situation.

930
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: He seems like he's going to be just a little

931
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: bit touchdown dependent compared to these other guys, So I agree,

932
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: I think he does have the talent to kind of

933
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: outperform tight end ten. But like out of these tight

934
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: ends in this range, like who would you rather have

935
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: Firemouth or Gronk assuming he returns, or like a zach Ertz,

936
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: like out of those three, who would.

937
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 2: You obviously Gronk. But I mean I'm more talking about

938
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 2: comparing him because you know, I like Arts too, but

939
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: like Hunter, everyone else, even Dawson Knox, like I think Firemoth,

940
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: you know, out of all those guys, I think he

941
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: has the best shot of putting up like a te

942
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: six or seven season, like maybe like a Dulton Schultz

943
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: last year. Yeah, you know that kind of that kind

944
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: of season because I think I just think he's he's

945
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 2: got skills, like like his red zone skills, and you

946
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 2: need touchdowns at tight end. So it's like at least

947
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 2: drafted as that you know can score them. It's still

948
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: gonna be kind of up and down year to year.

949
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 2: We know touchdowns is from a predictive standpoint, it's tough

950
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 2: to bank on them. But you know, he had twenty

951
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 2: targets in the red zone last year, which is also

952
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: pretty nuts for a rookie tight end, and seven touchdowns

953
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: you know, so on those on those targets, so like

954
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: he can get it done. Like this is he's no slouch.

955
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, obviously I'm taking Gronk over him, but like,

956
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 2: would I be surprised if he outproduced even zach Ertz

957
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 2: don at all?

958
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, especially you know once DeAndre Hopkins returns. Yeah,

959
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: farm gives you seventeen weeks of upside.

960
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, Naji Harris got bigger legs than he had last year,

961
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 2: so that that that photos going around just like the

962
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: massive hamstrings and quads and all that. So it is

963
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 2: a noticeable difference. They're obviously planning on him taking another take,

964
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: another pounding in terms of the usage. They said they

965
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 2: they actually want to cut his non touch snack, so

966
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 2: like they're actually not trying to cut his touches. They

967
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: like there I forget who it was, but there's an

968
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 2: article in the Athletic about like one of the guys

969
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: on the one of somebody in Pittsburgh's front office I

970
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 2: believe or coaching staff like did a whole deep dive

971
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 2: on how they could like not like cut Harris's like

972
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 2: non touch plays. It's still give him his normal touches.

973
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: So like they're like they're into this, like they really

974
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 2: want to, like they really want to kind of like

975
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,959
Speaker 2: leave his touches intact and just kind of cut plays

976
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: where he's like a snow. I think that's a good sign.

977
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was kind of teasing that early on, because

978
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: I mean, his three hundred and eighty one touches last

979
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: season were the most for rookie since Ladanian Thomason, which

980
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: is twenty years ago, which is hard to believe. But

981
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: they want to lighten his steps, but they can't really

982
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: lighten his workload. So for fancy purpose, we don't really

983
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: care that that's a great thing.

984
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 2: But they're gonna be.

985
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: More balance this year. And the depth behind Harris is

986
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: still one of the worst in the league. I mean

987
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 1: Benny Snell come on and Anthony McFarlane. So it's just like, yeah,

988
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna find ways to kind of get him off

989
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: the field when they're not going to use him, but

990
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 1: they still need to give him the ball. A ship

991
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: Ton and yeah there was massive legs. Now he put

992
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 1: on some you know way I would put on pure muscle.

993
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: So he's ready to rock this year. So he's a

994
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: guy where he's running back five, but he definitely has

995
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: top three upside, especially if his efficiency increases it all

996
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: this year. Just when it comes to fans football, volume

997
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: is king, and he's absolutely going to be a volume

998
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,959
Speaker 1: king this year. So I love getting him at RB five.

999
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: Are you worried at all about Like I know that

1000
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: there's always those stats kind of going around that the

1001
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 2: running back gets as many touches as he did, you know, like, oh,

1002
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 2: I think over like the three fifty mark or three seventy,

1003
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: like they the next year pretty much all of them regress,

1004
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 2: not just like a little bit, but a lot, like

1005
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: they usually miss time. I'll concerned you with that because

1006
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 2: I know that's going to be something that like it's

1007
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 2: going to ser that whole thing is going to circulate.

1008
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's that's always the concern. I mean, let's

1009
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: face it. You know, football is a savage sport. So

1010
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: anytime you have a player getting you know that many carries,

1011
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: their chances getting hurt goes up. But with Harris, I'm

1012
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: sort of applying the Derrick Henry rule here. He looks

1013
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: the he looks like he can handle a big workload.

1014
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: So we've joked about it too. Any running back getting

1015
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 1: these many carries is going to be injury or prone,

1016
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to look at into it too much.

1017
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: And his efficiency last year was bad, let's just face it,

1018
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 1: so I don't think there's going to be any decrease

1019
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: in efficiencies. So I'm not I'm going to overlook those

1020
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: curve angles because I think he's he's really you know,

1021
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,959
Speaker 1: he's getting his body ready for this and maybe maybe

1022
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: in a couple of seasons, Like when a rookie has

1023
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: this sort of workload, it's less concerning than a guy

1024
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 1: that's you know, twenty six or twenty seven. So I'm

1025
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: still considering age curves when it comes to things like that.

1026
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: So I'm not concerned at all when it comes to

1027
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: Nauja Harris about his workload last season.

1028
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of the running I mean, it's

1029
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 2: still a small sample. I think like about a dozen

1030
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: running backs that have right gone over that three hundred

1031
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 2: someha touch mark, and you know, but most of them

1032
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 2: were not rookies, so that that is a good point.

1033
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 2: And I think the interior another team where the interior

1034
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 2: line should be better. They got Mason Cole at center

1035
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: now James Daniels at right guard. So those are two,

1036
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 2: you know, plus interior linemen that they're now adding to

1037
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: the mix. So, like you said, his efficiency should increase.

1038
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 2: And if Benny Snell, did you hear Benny Snell? Now

1039
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: he's gaining weight. Benny Snell's losing weight, leaning out, apparently

1040
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 2: trying to become more of like a every down back

1041
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 2: so he can come in and take you know, worthless

1042
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 2: snaps for Naji cars good for Benny. Yeah.

1043
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's the unfortunate situation where nag he missed

1044
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: his time. I mean, is Benny Snell in RB free

1045
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: flex or is he gonna be splitting a ton of

1046
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: time with Anthony Farland or other?

1047
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be with McFarland, I don't think. I

1048
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: mean McFarland seems like more of a gadget guy. I

1049
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 2: don't know. Yeah, definitely passing down right. Yeah, But even

1050
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 2: then it's like, is he I don't think he's a

1051
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 2: great past protector right ak verfar is just not really

1052
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: hasn't shown anything honestly, so.

1053
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: I I they don't have anybody else outside of him,

1054
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, is Denny smell like an RB two RB

1055
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: three option like handcuff when Harris goes?

1056
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 2: I think so too, Yeah, Yeah, I think so. I mean,

1057
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 2: I honestly he's one of those guys because, like I said,

1058
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 2: I think you mentioned it too, Like when you could

1059
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: get that free handcuff for a guy that you're investing in,

1060
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 2: like a first round pick in it's not the worst

1061
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 2: idea in the world to just take it. So yeah,

1062
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 2: Benny's now, I mean, he hasn't been good either in his.

1063
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: Career, so that's a statement.

1064
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, he his I mean his yards per

1065
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: carry three point nine to three point three to two

1066
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: point seven last year, So I mean, who knows. Maybe

1067
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: he's not on the team either, and they signed some agents.

1068
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 2: I mean, he doesn't even have an ADP, but he's

1069
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 2: going around like RB ninety. I think, yeah, in most

1070
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 2: und so he's got to be the cheapest handcuff, right, Yeah,

1071
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 2: like if we don't get any word that they've added,

1072
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: like you know, they don't, they haven't added anyone in

1073
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 2: your drafting, and in late August and he's does handcuff

1074
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 2: and you draft, you spend a first round pick on Harris. Yeah,

1075
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 2: I think Snells were at a roster spot at that point,

1076
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: you know, just the insurance. But yeah, there's a long

1077
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 2: way to go because yeah, he hasn't been good. McFarlane

1078
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 2: hasn't been good. I'm actually surprised they didn't add more

1079
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 2: to that room, just giving how much they rely on

1080
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: on Nag Harris and they're gonna have to decrease their

1081
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 2: their past attempt so the backup Steve's gonna be even

1082
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: more important. So yeah, that's definitely a situation. A monitor

1083
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh. Uh, okay, sleeper, it's for me. It's friar

1084
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: with I just think, you know, tight end is pretty ugly,

1085
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 2: especially outside those top two tiers, top five or six guys.

1086
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 2: So I think having a guy who's one of five

1087
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: in anything you know good, it has some some upside.

1088
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 2: That's my sleeper.

1089
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: Uh what about Uh? So for sleeper, I have written

1090
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: on No. One.

1091
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: There's really nobody being drafted value right now.

1092
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: Uh. And I've already said enough nice things about Metro Bisky,

1093
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna stop. But I already he said, he's

1094
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: probably the only player I have ranked higher than ADP.

1095
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: But there's I already said too many nice things about him.

1096
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: I was okay, I would say George Pickens as like

1097
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: a late round flyer, but that's about.

1098
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 2: It any bust. Uh.

1099
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Just Deontay Johnson just where he's going, and we

1100
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: already talked about it. The decrease in passing volume is

1101
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 1: certainly going to hurt him, and he's sitting a top

1102
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: of you know, a wide receiver two tiers. I think

1103
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: you could just wait a round or two and get

1104
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 1: comparable to Deontay this season.

1105
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think you know, it's not really

1106
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: a knock on Beyonce the player. It's yeah, because a

1107
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: lot of similarly valuable receivers that you could get later,

1108
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 2: like you said, And there's some running backs that if

1109
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 2: they're still there, you know, like Leonard Fournette is like

1110
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 2: RB fifteen and James Connor is in like the the twenties. Like,

1111
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 2: if those guys are still sitting there, I'll take them

1112
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: over Deontay any day too. So all right, let's go

1113
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: to Cleveland now, because this one is man, I don't

1114
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 2: like Deshaun Watson. Two more cases have been added, so

1115
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 2: we just really don't know what's going to happen with

1116
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 2: this legal situation. But I mean, it doesn't seem like

1117
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 2: he's going to play the full year, if if anything,

1118
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: at this point, because the only thing I guess that

1119
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 2: could help him this year is if the kate the

1120
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 2: legal thing just drags on, because the NFL usually won't

1121
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 2: issue the suspension until that's wrapped up. So I mean,

1122
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 2: that's like the only thing when I'm like, what do

1123
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 2: you how are you even projecting his games played for

1124
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 2: this year?

1125
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: But you can't, right, So this is a situation where

1126
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: it's probably only gonna get worse, and clearly the Browns

1127
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 1: didn't really do their due diligence. I mean, now you're

1128
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 1: have investigative journalists and covering things. It's only gonna get worse.

1129
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: So he's gonna face some sort of suspension.

1130
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 2: He's got to.

1131
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: So I think we're at a situation that where the

1132
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: Browns might be able to avoid his contract, right, Like

1133
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: that might be what happens is the Browns find a

1134
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: way to get out of this, and like you said,

1135
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 1: there's a chance he gets suspended for the whole season.

1136
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: So it's really murky. I just don't see how this

1137
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: turns out well for anybody, So I'm staying away from

1138
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: him and I'm factoring it more importantly, we have to

1139
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: kind of project the rest of the players. We can't

1140
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: just say don't draft Deshaun Watson. We have to project

1141
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: the rest of the players. And that's where the markiness

1142
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 1: really comes into play. So we'll get to that when

1143
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 1: you know we're projecting like a Nick Chubb or Muri

1144
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: Cooper that we're really having to figure out, like can

1145
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: we expect Watson to play all this year? That's kind

1146
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 1: of where I'm approaching the Browns.

1147
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like also like if he's suspended to

1148
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 2: start the year, Like I don't like to pick at

1149
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 2: QB thirteen, because I just don't like wasting a roster.

1150
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: Spot on a quorder, especially that high. It's not like

1151
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: he's going QB twenty five and you can kind of

1152
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: justify it. He's going QB thirteen. I mean, who else

1153
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:47,479
Speaker 1: is being.

1154
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 2: Drafted right there? It's like Trey Lance, yeah, you know,

1155
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 2: really really guys with other players and other positions. Well yeah,

1156
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 2: you know yeah seriously though, it's like QET thirteen is

1157
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 2: not free, you know, it's like it's still you still

1158
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: have to use like a pick. Like it's not like

1159
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: you just draft him with the last pick of the

1160
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 2: last round. Like it's like, yeah, me, thirteen is still substantial.

1161
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: The opportunity cost right there is massive. So and obviously

1162
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: he has, you know, really high ceiling. He's potentially a

1163
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: top five quarterback if he plays all season, but he's

1164
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna face some sort of suspension. So yeah, just

1165
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm completely off at QB thirteen.

1166
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, monitor a situation because like if like

1167
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 2: the only like I said, if if the case drags on,

1168
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 2: and we probably won't have a way to guarantee that

1169
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 2: it will, but if we somehow get that news, obviously

1170
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 2: you want to be able to pounce if you're if

1171
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 2: you if you're in like best ball LEAs and stuff

1172
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 2: like that.

1173
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's not it's not looking good. Well somebody

1174
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: some family got the popcorns, so everything's good.

1175
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 2: And uh just got back. I don't think this.

1176
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I can morally draft Deshaun Watson either.

1177
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: It's one of those things. If you want to take

1178
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: on the risk, so be it. But that's that's your

1179
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: call when it comes to Watson.

1180
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 2: Oh, you know what we need to do for one

1181
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 2: podcast like the All the Moral Moral, like the All Stars,

1182
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: and I mean because this is you know this some

1183
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 2: there's some messy situations if you kind of look back

1184
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 2: at some of these guys histories, because he's not the

1185
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: only guy he could say that.

1186
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: About, is what I'm true.

1187
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no for sure, but uh we're not going

1188
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 2: to get into that. That part of it, not not

1189
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 2: right now anyway. But we would, like you said, we

1190
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,439
Speaker 2: got to figure out what to do with a Mari

1191
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 2: And like I like the Mari when it looked like

1192
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson was going to play, but now it's like

1193
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 2: wide Receiver nineteen. He's kind of been declining. You know,

1194
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 2: we might even be past this prime a little bit.

1195
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: So he's another guy that fits into that that that

1196
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 2: mold for me anyway, of there's probably someone I can

1197
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: wait another round and feel better about at this position,

1198
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: A wide receiver, Yeah, exactly. Like just the Deshaun Watson

1199
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: in the situation really impacts my Cooper rank. I had

1200
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 2: him like wide receiver twelve.

1201
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, if Deashaun Watson were to play the entire season,

1202
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: Marik Cooper is a low line wide receiver one, but

1203
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: with you know, this uncertainty, he's closer to wide receiver

1204
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: twenty two. And if Jacoby Brissette is their starter this season,

1205
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: which could, I mean he's probably starting Week one, right,

1206
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: I'd probably ranked Cooper what wide receiver twenty six, Yeah,

1207
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: sounds about right. I mean he's still going to see

1208
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: a massive target share, especially coming over from Dallas. I mean,

1209
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: he's going to be the alpha dog in this offense.

1210
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: So it's hard to really rake him outside of the

1211
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: top thirty. But just with the KB situation, he's a

1212
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: really tough sell here. There's just way more upside with

1213
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,439
Speaker 1: wide receivers in this range than Cooper. Like you said,

1214
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: he probably is sort of in his decline phase in

1215
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: his career, to be honest, So yeah, a lot of

1216
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: the reasons not to draft Cooper this high.

1217
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 2: So the Zach Jackson of The Athletic reports that in

1218
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 2: three wide receiver sets early camp at Cooper, Donovan, People's Jones,

1219
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 2: and Anthony Schwartz. So yeah, Who're gonna get a lot

1220
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 2: of targets. He's gonna get a lot of targets. I don't.

1221
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 2: I mean, do you have any interest in People's Jones

1222
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 2: as a sleeper? I I really don't. Unless Deshaun is

1223
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 2: playing a whole season, maybe he could be that will

1224
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 2: Fuller role, but it doesn't look like that's gonna exactly exactly.

1225
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: And you know, he ran her out over eighty percent

1226
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: of the time in the final seven games of last

1227
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: season and he was only able to average five point

1228
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: for half PPR points, So it's not like the increase

1229
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: in playing time helped. So he definitely needs de Shaun

1230
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,919
Speaker 1: Watson to be playing over a dozen games to even

1231
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: warrant consideration in this range. Just doesn't have the upside running.

1232
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 2: Wind sprints out there like he's yeah, he's going deep

1233
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 2: and Watson can get him in the ball. I don't

1234
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 2: think Brissette can so exactly, He's not gonna get a

1235
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 2: out of target, so he needs to be a vision

1236
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 2: And any any thoughts on David Bell? I know you

1237
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 2: I know some people, especially in best Ball. You know,

1238
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 2: anytime a team with not much at receiver drafts the

1239
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 2: guy on day two, you know it's going to be

1240
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 2: some intrigue. But any any thoughts on him?

1241
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: Well, isn't the report of Anthony Schwartz being a starting

1242
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: lineup of major indictment on Bell? Or do you think

1243
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: it's just kind of their pushing the rookie.

1244
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 2: But no, that's amazing Anthony. You only have to beat

1245
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 2: out Anthony Schwartz. That's but he's, I mean, he was.

1246
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 2: You're never going to give these guys like they're never

1247
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 2: going to start these guys right off the bat unless

1248
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 2: you're like a first round pick, just because like you

1249
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 2: got to earn it. Like it's David Bell, like you

1250
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 2: know what I mean, It's like it's David Bell. Like

1251
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 2: he's not going to start the camps like a top

1252
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: three guy, but he was.

1253
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: He was sort of a polarizing prospect. You know, he

1254
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: doesn't have great measurables and issues separating college and he's

1255
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: competing for the wide receiver three role for a Jacoby

1256
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: but offense, so I'm completely out okay that, but I

1257
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: agree again, if Deshaun Watson, if something happens or beyond

1258
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: this season, if things change at quarterback, bell would be interesting.

1259
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: But this year absolutely not.

1260
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 2: I mean, anytime you hear like separation issues, that's already

1261
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 2: a red flag for me. Just you know, this is

1262
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 2: fantasy football, Like we need guys to get over David

1263
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,919
Speaker 2: Njoku is the tight end twenty one. They recommitted to him.

1264
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 2: How are you feeling about him with no Austin Hooper

1265
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 2: there this year?

1266
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sucks because we finally get Austin Hooper out

1267
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: of the way. I just love Joku's upside. I mean,

1268
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: he can just go off any given week, but this

1269
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: is unfortunately another situation where we need to wait and see.

1270
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: With the quarterback situation. If Deshaun Watson we're starting all

1271
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: season long, Joku would be potentially high end tight end two.

1272
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: I mean he'll he'll split some time with Carson Bryant,

1273
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Speaker 1: but you know he's going to be running a route

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Speaker 1: what over seventy percent of the time this season. Joku

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Speaker 1: is so he's gonna have the potential to go off.

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Speaker 1: But again, if Tobe Brissette is a starting quarterback, you

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Speaker 1: know that that makes Joku a low end tight end too,

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Speaker 1: some guy that I'm probably gonna pass on. But the

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Speaker 1: talent and upside is there, certainly if Watson starts at

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Speaker 1: all this year.

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Speaker 2: Nick Chubb RB seven not really he's so the last

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Speaker 2: three years RB nine, RB seven are we eleven and

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01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 2: half to be our points per game? So, I mean,

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Speaker 2: is he still gonna put up what is it? Five

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Speaker 2: yards for carry? Is that what we're Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think I was gonna check what you have I have,

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Speaker 1: so I I loaded it a bit five point two.

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Speaker 1: But I only have good things to say about Chubb

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Speaker 1: as a runner. I think he's one of the best,

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Speaker 1: if not the best, year running league behind an elite

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Speaker 1: offensive line. But Jonathan Taylor has passed him up obviously

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Speaker 1: for that claim the fame. But you know, he's limited

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01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: in the receiving game, and Kareem Hunt limits him just

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01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: his touchdowns, so he has to be insanely efficient to

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Speaker 1: put up top ten numbers. And last season cream Hunt

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Speaker 1: missed what ten plus games?

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Speaker 2: Nine games?

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Speaker 1: Nine games, So I mean that was just just the

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Speaker 1: perfect storm for Chubb. So well, I love him obviously,

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Speaker 1: I love him. I'm out at RB seven. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: completely out at RB seven. Wow, Because cream Hunt is

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01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: always my my prototypical the running back I love to

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01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: target later in the draft. I mean, caream Hunt at

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Speaker 1: RB thirty three, He's gonna be ranked higher than that

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01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: weeks for Chubb is healthy and then when Chubb if

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Speaker 1: or when Chub misses time, cream Hunt is a potential

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Speaker 1: top five, top ten running back. And the first five

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Speaker 1: weeks last season when Chubb was healthy, cream Hunt was

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01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: the RB five overall. So just I kind of plan

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Speaker 1: my draft around targeting Cream Hunt and the RB thirty

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Speaker 1: three range. So why would I kind of overspend for

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01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb at RB seven? So I just cream Hunt

1313
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: is probably the one running back I try to get

1314
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: away get get in every draft. So that's that's sort

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01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: of my draft plan this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I love Hunt. I think he's way undervalued. I

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01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 2: don't mind Trub. I mean I think sevens a little high.

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01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 2: I would take make sit over him. But when you

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01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 2: consider that, like, and we've talked about you know, Javonte, like,

1320
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 2: is he truly going to get like that same workload

1321
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 2: as some of these other back even as much as Chubb.

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01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 2: And then you know Alvin Kamara has questions. I guess

1323
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 2: Swift is in a decent spot. Aaron Jones is probably

1324
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 2: the poor man's rub at this point in terms of

1325
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 2: the efficiency. Antonio Gibson I think is overvalued. So there's

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01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 2: like it's it's a high floor play. Like it's like

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Speaker 2: if you're sitting there early in the draft, and it

1328
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 2: is kind of important to get running backs early because

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01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 2: it does there is that frozen pond here. But so

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Speaker 2: I like, I don't mind it, but I do agree

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01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 2: Hunt is a much better value. Like Chubb, you're really

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Speaker 2: just drafting him for the floor because there's a lot

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01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 2: there's a lot of question marks and lower floors among

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Speaker 2: guys going after it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's talk about how the quarterback situation might

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Speaker 1: impact them. So let's say Jacobysette as quarterback, They're going

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Speaker 1: to have to run more, right, but they probably won't

1338
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: have as many positive game scripts. And I think Chubb, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: like he does rely on positive game scripts if they're

1340
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: trailing by ten plus, that's typically when we see more Hunt.

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Speaker 1: So like, how much would you downgrade him, say, week

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01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: one if Jacoby Presette is starting, which is probably going

1343
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: to be the case.

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Speaker 2: A little bit, but I do think the defense will

1345
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 2: be pretty good. So like you know, who did Cleveland,

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Speaker 2: who did they start from Mayfield for a point last year?

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Speaker 1: Who they seen him and Nick mullins.

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Speaker 2: It was key to I think, I don't think it's

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01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 2: like I think Cleveland is going to be kind of

1350
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 2: low scoring, run heavy, play the defense type of team anyway,

1351
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 2: and Baker Mayfield, at least last year's version of Baker

1352
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 2: Mayfield was great, but I wouldn't downgrade him too much.

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01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 2: I mean, if anything more running and just how everything's

1354
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 2: kind of out with them losing Landry, they don't really

1355
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 2: have any receivers besides Cooper. I think you might see

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01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 2: more of Hunt in that like dual role that he

1357
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 2: was playing before Stefanski got there, Like you know, sometimes

1358
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 2: he's a running back, sometimes he's a slot receiver. So

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Speaker 2: I actually don't mind how the situation is shaping up

1360
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 2: for Chubb because I think if Watson doesn't play, it's

1361
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 2: just a more run heavy offense, still has a decent defense,

1362
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 2: and then if Watson does play, the touchdown opportunity to

1363
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 2: just go through the roof. So again, that's what I'm saying, Like,

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Speaker 2: I just think Chubb is like a very high floor,

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01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 2: solid play. Maybe it's not sexy, you know, but the

1366
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Speaker 2: bust rate I think is lower than the guys going

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Speaker 2: after him. But yeah, love Chub, excuse me, love Hunt.

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Speaker 2: You know he was you know, points per game RB

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Speaker 2: twenty two, RB twenty five in the last two years.

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Speaker 2: He's going as the thirty first guy at running back

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Speaker 2: and like you said, I think, you know he he

1372
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Speaker 2: has that upside even if Chubb's healthy to be like

1373
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 2: RB one value for stretches even and like, so, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I love Hunt this year.

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01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have Rashad Penny and Michael Carter being

1376
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: drafted right next to Yeah, I mean, come on.

1377
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Speaker 2: Very serious, It doesn't add up draft dream Hunt is

1378
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 2: I guess the moral of the story here, Like, regardless

1379
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 2: of what happens draft Hunt, I think I think he's

1380
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 2: a sleeper obviously, right, and then who's who's the bus.

1381
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got to be Cooper just because you're inheriting

1382
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 1: that Deshaun Watson downside unfortunately, so just as current ADP.

1383
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: I mean, if it falls like I said, if it

1384
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 1: falls closer to wide receiver twenty five, that's when I'm

1385
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 1: comfortable taking it. But inside the top twenty it's it's

1386
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 1: too risky right now.

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Speaker 2: All right, there we go. Got through the AFC North

1388
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 2: aka the old AFC Central back in the day. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is good. Uh definitely is gonna help me with

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Speaker 2: my rankings. And I hope you guys enjoyed the pod.

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