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Speaker 2: who will be seventy four years young in October. And

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Speaker 2: in my experience around coaches that now I weren't wasn't

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Speaker 2: think there's any arguing. There's a stress and intensity that

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Speaker 2: while now football and you can include college now with

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Speaker 2: the money everyone's getting paid is Wall Street on grass,

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Speaker 2: Nick Saban will go down as in my opinion, the

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Speaker 2: greatest college coach I've ever seen, and you could put

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Speaker 2: He's a co owner. I have heard some of the

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Speaker 2: numbers in which it costs to get involved with the show.

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Speaker 2: Let's just say I think it's fair to say he

430
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Speaker 2: easily has an eight figure operation going right now. And

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Speaker 2: when I say eight figure, that's I'm not saying like

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Speaker 2: ninety million dollars. But he is making eight figures and

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Speaker 2: it's very, very lucrative, successful, and I would say impactful

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Speaker 2: in the world he's in. He was offered a spot

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Speaker 2: which happens in golf. They're called a sponsor invite in

436
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 2: this golf tournament this week. Well, on the PGA Tour,

437
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: when there's a major, typically they have an opposite field event,

438
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: which is basically an event for a bunch of random

439
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: guys trying to make it. A couple big names, but

440
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: for the most part, is a completely irrelevant event. Now,

441
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Speaker 2: it's not irrelevant for the people playing in the event,

442
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 2: because if you win it, it changes your career and

443
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 2: gets you into majors, But on the totality of it,

444
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 2: no one watches no one's really paying attention. So they

445
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: offered Grant a spot, and Grant, probably a couple months ago,

446
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 2: filmed the YouTube with Scotty Scheffler. He asked Scotty Scheffler,

447
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: He's like, I've been invited. I don't think I'm gonna

448
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: take it, and Scotty pleaded with him, he said, you

449
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 2: should take it, not taking someone else's spot. They need

450
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: you in that event. But Grant does not need the

451
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: PGA Tour. He is probably making more money doing what

452
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 2: he does play on YouTube than I. Potentially every single

453
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Speaker 2: person in this tournament this weekend called the Barracuda beside Maxhoma.

454
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Speaker 2: And let's face it, if you play professional golf, you

455
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 2: are playing for money. That is literally the end result

456
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Speaker 2: of what you were doing. You were playing golf tournaments

457
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Speaker 2: trying to win as much money possible. Grant Horvat plays

458
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Speaker 2: golf on the internet to earn money, right, That's what

459
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 2: he does, and he's successful at it. So ultimately he

460
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 2: denied the PGA Tour. He said, I'm not interested because

461
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: they denied him allowing to shoot YouTube videos while he played,

462
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: which was never gonna happen. The PGA Tour was never

463
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Speaker 2: going to allow him to shoot YouTube video during the tournament,

464
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: just like Grand Harvat was never going to play in

465
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Speaker 2: this tournament because he knew they were never going to

466
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Speaker 2: give in to those demands because they're very strict laws. Right,

467
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: just like Jamar Chase can't bring a YouTube or a

468
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Speaker 2: video crew during a game against the Baltimore Ravens on

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00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: Sunday night. Football that's not allowed. Can't happen in any

470
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 2: of these sports. It's very black and white. Even though

471
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: this tournament needs Grant more than he needs them, and

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Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of people freak out, even people

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Speaker 2: I respect going. I can't believe a golf influencer would

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Speaker 2: turn down the PGA Tour. Well, I agree, that would

475
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 2: be crazy if two things were true. One Grant wanted

476
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Speaker 2: to be on the PGA Tour, which he clearly doesn't,

477
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 2: and two it was an opportunity for him to make money.

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Speaker 2: He would actually probably lose money if he wasted a well,

479
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Speaker 2: let's say he was shooting other stuff, it would be

480
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 2: a net negative for him. I think people underestimate the

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Speaker 2: amount of money, especially a lot of these legacy media

482
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Speaker 2: people that are in this bubble of like what's actually

483
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Speaker 2: going on Hell, if I didn't do what I did

484
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: and still worked in radio, I would have no clue

485
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: how much commerce and business is actually done in the

486
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Speaker 2: podcast YouTube world. But I've been in it for ten years.

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Speaker 2: Those are a lot of people that I talked to

488
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: and ask questions about, So I have a i would say,

489
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: a better understanding than I've seen some of these reactions

490
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: like Dave Portnoy and Barstool. They don't need Fox's money, right,

491
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: They don't need to do this. This isn't something they need.

492
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: They actually have leverage because clearly I would imagine Fox

493
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: wants them. So what happens when you got the leverage

494
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: you get more money. Now, I'm not saying it's strictly

495
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: a money grab, it's also cool. It's also way to

496
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Speaker 2: get different eyeballs. It's a way to just potentially expand

497
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: your brand and grow your business. But let's not get

498
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: it twisted, Dave, big Kat, Barstool does not need to

499
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: be on Fox Sports one. But if the business deal

500
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: makes sense and we can be comfortable with what we're doing,

501
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: it works. Like ultimately, Pat McAfee didn't need ESPN at

502
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: any moment. If he wanted to leave, he would be fine.

503
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: Does he benefit from it? Sure, he's on ESPN two.

504
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,719
Speaker 2: You see him at gym's, you see him at airports.

505
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: He gets benefits of, you know, doing the All Star

506
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Speaker 2: Game and doing different shit. But at the end of

507
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: the day, him and his operation does not need them.

508
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: No different here. Grand Horvat does not need the PGA tour. Now,

509
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: I'd argue if the Masters or the US Open or

510
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: something invited him, it would be insane from a business

511
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: standpoint for him not to accept the invite. But the

512
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: fucking Barracuda at Old Greenwood in Trucky, California, that is

513
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: going to have no one paying attention. I don't know.

514
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: Because the British Open is going on and it's in

515
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: the middle of summer, is not that crazy for him

516
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: to turn down. I also think it's a genius pr

517
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: move by him to go, hey, I'm not playing in

518
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Speaker 2: this because they won't let me film. It actually is

519
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: a story. This shouldn't be a story because they were

520
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: never gonna let him film. He was never gonna play

521
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 2: in the event. But I will give him credit. Him

522
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: and his team and whoever's they're pretty good at this

523
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: and they created a massive story out of nothing of

524
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Speaker 2: something that was never gonna happen, like the barstool fs

525
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: one story, Like, clearly there's a lot of substance there.

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Speaker 2: This thing, if I was a betman, probably happens. I

527
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Speaker 2: even saw Colin tweet something out. But the Horvat thing

528
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Speaker 2: and the reaction by a lot of the legacy journalists,

529
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: it's like, guys, are you that out of the loop?

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Speaker 2: What Horvat has, what's going on and how successful his

531
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Speaker 2: operation is? I would guess like whatever his the Grant

532
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: Horvat YouTube empire makes in Grant's pocket, who plays a

533
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: huge role in it? What would he where would he

534
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: be valued on the PGA tour top I bet he

535
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: makes top seventy five guy, top fifty guy. Financially. He

536
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: ain't desperate, And I think that always shocks people when

537
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: someone's not desperate and they go, yeah, I'm not gonna

538
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: do it. I'm good because forever, especially in the media

539
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: world and the sports world, you just always say yeah, right, yes, yes,

540
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: and obviously saying yes sometimes even if there's not it's

541
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Speaker 2: hard to quantify is this a good idea or a

542
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: bad idea? Can be a good tactic that to approach

543
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: life with, But every once in a while, I was like, Yeah,

544
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: this is a complete waste of my time. I don't

545
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: want to do this and I don't want to, you know,

546
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: ruin an experience for all these other guys which are

547
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: going to be resentful. It just be a weird operation

548
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: because everyone be looking at me.

549
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Speaker 1: Funny.

550
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's do a little bittlecoff mail bag at John

551
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in those dms. Get your

552
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: questions answered here on the show. Really really easy to do.

553
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: Just my name at John Middlecoff DMS wide open. We

554
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: will start with Pat, not Pat Burrell, but just a

555
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: guy named Pat. Big fan of your pops, including the

556
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 2: ones with Colin. Loved hearing you guys give Campbell some

557
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 2: love on the last episode as a really good coach

558
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: who also benefits from a great office by this rationale, though,

559
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: doesn't Sirianni deserve some flowers too. No, he's a little annoying,

560
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: but while he also has a great GM. He's been

561
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: to two Super Bowls, one to one and has been

562
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: able to keep the team together in a noisy market,

563
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: and the players have pretty much stood by him repeatedly.

564
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: Not to mention he's shown the ability to adjust mid

565
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: season based on the players he has. I'm not ignorant

566
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Speaker 2: to his annoying qualities, just kind of think at some

567
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: point we have to acknowledge he's done a pretty good job.

568
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's disputable. You win the Super Bowl,

569
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Speaker 2: like he just did. You rally the troops as he

570
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 2: just did. I think one thing, you know, people in

571
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: the business, it's like Vic Fangio comes, like, that's Howie

572
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: Roseman been trying to hire Vic Fangiel for a long time.

573
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: Like is that a Nick Sirianni thing? You know, he

574
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: gets a lot of credit for Shane Siken existed on

575
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: that staff because of him, And same thing with Jonathan Gannon,

576
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Speaker 2: Like those were his two initial hires. The higher sin

577
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Speaker 2: you know, I think the organization good and bad, right,

578
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: And that's where the Eagles are kind of unique where

579
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, I would say Dan campbell is

580
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: has the autonomy hiring the staff, whereas Nick Sirianni just

581
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: has less juice in terms of the day to day

582
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Speaker 2: operations of the Eagles. But when it comes to the

583
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Speaker 2: players motivating them that there is no disputing he deserves

584
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Speaker 2: a lot of credit. You win the Super Bowl. Now,

585
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit what the circumstances were. Obviously

586
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: their team was loaded. But you beat the Chiefs like that,

587
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: you have the team ready, like like you what you

588
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: are one hundred percent spot on. It's by far the

589
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 2: most intense market in terms of the stories, in terms

590
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: of the way the team's covered locally and nationally.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: But I would just say, if you pulled every let's

593
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: remove the Lions and the Eagles, and we just got

594
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: thirty GMS and they had the choice to hire one

595
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: of two coaches, Campbell or Sirianni. So I'm not including

596
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 2: Howie and I'm not including Brad Holmes of the Lions.

597
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: I think the numbers for Dan Campbell of the other

598
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: thirty GMS would be fair not I'm not. I'm taking

599
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 2: a strong, educated guess here. I think would be extremely strong.

600
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 2: In the majority of Dan Campbell. I'm not saying it's

601
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 2: thirty to zero, but I think the number would be

602
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: in the twenties. Question for the pod Lamar was recently

603
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: talking about how he had to learn to be a

604
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Speaker 2: vocal leader. It got me thinking, who is the best

605
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: leader in the NFL at the quarterback position and how

606
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 2: much does it affect the game. Example, if Tim Tebow

607
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 2: was one of the best leaders in football history and

608
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: knew how to fire up his guys up. Here's the

609
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: link to Lamar telling Kevin Hart this, well, to be

610
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 2: a good leader, you have to be a good player, right.

611
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: No different to me to be a good boss in

612
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: any corporation. Like I've worked for people that I thought

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00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: were really good, had interesting tactics. But if I thought

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00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 2: they knew what they were doing and talented and gave

615
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: me an opportunity to be my best self or to

616
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: have a successful operation, I just bought into right whether

617
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: they had You know, I've been around football coaches Pat Hill,

618
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: Andy Reid natural leadership qualities, but like you just knew

619
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: being around Howie who was new on the job, You're like,

620
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: this guy's fucking smart. I don't always agree with everything

621
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: he was doing. It was intense environment, but it's like

622
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: no one disputed, like how he's capabilities. Right. And then

623
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: I've worked for people in radio. I'm like, is this

624
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: guy the biggest idiot I've ever been around in my

625
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: entire life? And you just can't take him seriously. So

626
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 2: you can't be a good leader if you're not a

627
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: good player, right, just like you can't be a good

628
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: coach if people don't think you know what's going on.

629
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 2: It's just impossible. So most of the good leaders. And

630
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: I've known someone who worked with the Ravens two year

631
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: when McDonald that team that lost to the Chiefs in

632
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,959
Speaker 2: the AFC Championship game, who said Lamar was like guys

633
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: would run through a wall for him in hardball. Right.

634
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: But Lamar at that point in time, it was like

635
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: one of the best players in the league. Now I

636
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: think Lamar Mahomes Josh Joe Burrow. I haven't watched the

637
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: Quarterback Show yet. I just had a buddy in the

638
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: league text me. He's like, you gotta watch. It's fascinating

639
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: to watch Burrow. Clearly these guys really like him, so

640
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: they they're the best player on the team, one of

641
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: the best players in the league, and the players really

642
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: like him. So then I think Lamar has talked about this.

643
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: It's on you to get more comfortable with like being loud,

644
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: and being loud isn't just like speaking loud, it's being

645
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: assertive telling people what to do and when to do it.

646
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 2: And Dak Prescott, Jared goff Kirk Cousins. The more you play,

647
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: the more touchdowns you throw, it's easier to get on guys,

648
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,479
Speaker 2: and you have to back it up by like Patrick Mahon,

649
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: all these guys their work ethic of what time they

650
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: show up, how late they are. I remember what's his

651
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 2: last name, Brandon, former offensive lineman for the Saints who

652
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: when he retired cried because of how inspired he was

653
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: every week watching Drew Brees, how much time he put in.

654
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 2: So it's easy, like Peyton Manning can just he could.

655
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: Him and Brady their personalities can be pretty aggressive, but

656
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: it's easy for them to be aggressive with a guy

657
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 2: when they're a dominant player. Right if Daniel Jones started

658
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 2: hooting and hollering and pointing at people to do shit,

659
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 2: it'd be like, what are you doing? Look at Baker's

660
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: a good example. I think his natural personality is very outgoing,

661
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 2: very just very verbal. Well, he's excelled because he's played

662
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 2: well in Tampa and he can use that personality. When

663
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 2: he wasn't playing that way in Cleveland, it got weird.

664
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: So I think all the top guys from the top

665
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: really real true top group that top four, but then

666
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: the group of the goths, you know, Jalen is a

667
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: good example, like when your work ethic and you're you know,

668
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: part of being a quarterback I've heard was Albert Breer

669
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: or someone talked about this. One thing Brady really really

670
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 2: took seriously was like he knew that he could never

671
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: impress anyone with his speed or his athleticism, but like

672
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 2: if his teammates knew that, Like he was tough as shit,

673
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: so every time he got hit, he'd pop up and

674
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: as quickly as possible to pop up. That resonated with people.

675
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 2: What what did Ben Johnson get on Caleb Williams for

676
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: when you get hit, your body language matters. Get up

677
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: and get up fast, because that is what people are

678
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: looking at you for. And I think being a quarterback

679
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: and it's so hard because it's physically demanding, it's mentally demanding.

680
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: Obviously you got to produce. The coaches are on you,

681
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: the media is on you, the fans are all watching you.

682
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: I think all these guys are really really impressive. Burrow, Lamar,

683
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: Alan and Mahomes. I've heard more direct stories of Lamar

684
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: and of Mahomes just knowing people in those organizations. I've

685
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: just seen from the outside on Josh I mean, I

686
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 2: know mcdermomt. I've never really talked to him about it. Obviously,

687
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: Josh is impressive too, but I think, you know, listen,

688
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 2: all of our personalities are different. Some people talk a lot,

689
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: some people are quiet. But there are certain things that

690
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,919
Speaker 2: you can prove of, Like, God, this guy works really hard,

691
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,479
Speaker 2: you know, especially in football. God, this guy is really tough.

692
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 2: I've never talked to a football player that, whether they

693
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 2: like you or not personally, if you're tough and you're

694
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: their teammate, they're going to respect you. That was a

695
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: good question. It's become more apparent to me recently that

696
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 2: there seems to be two schools of thought when it

697
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: comes to giving out contracts. When a player has a

698
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: season worthy of money, contract extension of more money, your

699
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 2: contract extension, the GM gets out in front of it

700
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: and gives an extension, i e. Howie the Niners the Cowboys.

701
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: School thought is which seems to push players to hold

702
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: out for a contract. Can you talk about the pros

703
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: and cons of each contract in strategy and why a

704
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 2: GM may prefer A or B. It seems to me

705
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 2: that players who hold out often have statistical regression or

706
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: injury seasons well the Cowboys. In the Niners, I would

707
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: put in different categories because the guy running the Niners money, Perrague,

708
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: has been doing it for twenty years. And in the

709
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 2: harbought era of Patrick Willis, Navarro, Bowman, Joe Staley, Frank Gore,

710
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 2: Michael Krabtree, Vernon Davis, all those type players, they could

711
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 2: always get guys to sign contract early. They would pay

712
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: you a lot of money relative to the money at

713
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: the time, but they would out in front of it

714
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: like how we did. And then the Niners have gone

715
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: through this stretch now where their type, their players would

716
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 2: not sign those contracts like Nick Bosa or Trent Williams

717
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: is not signing a meet in the middle contract. I'm

718
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: breaking the bank as the highest paid player in this

719
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 2: sport right now, and unless you give me that money,

720
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be pissed off. The Cowboys just play it

721
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: till the end always like now, I have a long

722
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: history quarterback, you know, I mean the forty nine ers

723
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: did it with Rock Party Fred Warner like that. They

724
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 2: will get out in front if you're willing to play ball.

725
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: But you know, like the dance floor, it takes two

726
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: to ten go here. So if I offer you a contract,

727
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: you got it. What if Brocked Perdy when the Niners

728
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: had offer him that contract, like, no, I want twenty

729
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 2: million dollars more guaranteed, I want two hundred. I want

730
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: the same as Trevor Lawrence. It's like, well, we're trying

731
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: to offer a country's saying no, what do we do

732
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: now if we play it out longer? Does he end

733
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: up getting two twenty if he starts holding out because

734
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: we start freaking out? So, you know how he has

735
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: benefited that his guys have been willing to sign contracts,

736
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, that's there's a huge element there.

737
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: But even this year, like they took care of Saquon,

738
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: you know, Jalen they I'd say that was at the

739
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 2: time a pretty big win for Jalen. So it's just

740
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: it's very dependent on who you're dealing with, right, whether

741
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: the Cowboys, Howie Roseman, whether the Niners had been dealing

742
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 2: with Nick Bosa, he was gonna cost a lot of money. Now.

743
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: One thing maybe how he would have done with Bosa

744
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 2: is sign him after year three. The Niners are pretty

745
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: adamant about signing you after year four because they like

746
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: a little more data. Listen, I don't know if there's

747
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 2: a right or wrong way to do it. All these

748
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: contracts in the NFL, besides like quarterbacks, but even quarterbacks,

749
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: we've seen some b disasters. There's a large amount of

750
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 2: risk in signing O Limeman, D Lime and all these

751
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: guys to these massive contracts because of the injury risk.

752
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: We're just gonna see, there's gonna be over the next

753
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: several years, guys one hundred plus million dollar guarantee contracts.

754
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: There's gonna be a guy have a devastating injury, never

755
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 2: be the same. Do you know who's a good example.

756
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: Christian Wilkins, the defensive lineman the Raider signed from Miami,

757
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 2: who's a stut I mean, a really good player. The

758
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 2: Raiders gave him like eighty five million dollars guaranteed. I

759
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 2: had heard this, not from Spytec, but I just rumor

760
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: out there, and then I had seen a story recently.

761
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 2: He's probably never gonna be the same. He's still messed

762
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: up at the end of OTAs like he might never

763
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 2: really be able to play football again. And if he does,

764
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: people think that his careers, he'll never be remotely close

765
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 2: to the same player. And I'm not shaming them for

766
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: the contract. I would assigned him too if I had

767
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: the money. But sometimes you have a devastating injury and

768
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: you're just never the same player that typically. I guess

769
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: in baseball you can have Tommy John but for the

770
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: most part, guys respond to that. In basketball, it's pretty rare.

771
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: I mean, Paul George shattered his leg in two in

772
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: the stanchion and came back and made All Star Games.

773
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 2: Do you think Nadamakan Sue is a first ballot Hall

774
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: of Famer or even Hall of Fame worthy? I think

775
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: he asked this question because the big fella just domkiny.

776
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: If someone saw how I just spelled his name, I

777
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 2: don't think I could ever respond Sue. Let's just type

778
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: in Sue. There's no Dominican Sue. My first response is

779
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: he's not a Hall of Famer. He's a five time

780
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 2: All Pro Okay, maybe he's Maybe he's better than I thought.

781
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: Defensive Rookie of the Year, five time Pro bowler. Yeah,

782
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 2: maybe he is a fringe pro bowler or Hall of famer.

783
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: Maybe I underestimated him. Who do you win? He won

784
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl with Tampa. Obviously, He's never a huge

785
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: sack guy. But that wasn't his game. I would say

786
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: he's on the fringe. Good question, first ballot, No chance,

787
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: Maybe I undersold him. There has been a lot of

788
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: hype around the Chargers in the Broncos. Assuming the Chiefs

789
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,959
Speaker 2: win the AFC West, which is a fair assumption given

790
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: I think they've won the division seven years in a row.

791
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 2: What would you consider as the biggest disappointment in the division,

792
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: the Broncos or the Chargers finishing third. Well, to me,

793
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 2: if one of those two finished third and they missed

794
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: the playoffs, that is pretty bad because the expectation for

795
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: both those two teams is to make the playoffs again.

796
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: But to me, if you finish third, let's say the

797
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: Chiefs win thirteen games, the Chargers win eleven, and the

798
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 2: Broncos win ten, Like, if you're in the playoff, I

799
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: don't think you probably are disappointed that you screwed around

800
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 2: and lost a couple games. Maybe you could have won,

801
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 2: but I don't know if that's that big a deal. Now,

802
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 2: if you finish third in your eight to nine and

803
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: you're not in the playoffs, so to me, it's you

804
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: can finish third. But think about last year the Packers

805
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: finished third and it was somewhat disappointing, but they were

806
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: in the playoffs, so not the end of the world.

807
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 2: I think we got a similar question. I did a

808
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: little digging. I wanted to get your take on the

809
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: fact that the Browns and the Texans have both have

810
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: two second round picks, and those teams are the ones

811
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 2: that set the precedent of the guaranteed second round pick contracts.

812
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: How do you think that impacts the dynamics of the

813
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: other second rounders of those teams who haven't signed yet.

814
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: Junkins for the Browns, and I might be screwing this

815
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 2: name up, though I know the Texans like this guy

816
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: Ersy for the Texans offensive lineman. I did a little

817
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 2: digging because I got this question yesterday because I I

818
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: followed this story, but I haven't done that much digging

819
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 2: on the story from what I was told by people

820
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 2: in the league. That one guy that got I think

821
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 2: one of the Texans guy that Iowa state wide receiver,

822
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: I think picked thirty four. His contract was essentially like

823
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: ninety six percent guaranteed, So it wasn't it wasn't a

824
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: situation where let's just pick a number one thousand dollars,

825
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 2: well five hundred of those thousand dollars are guaranteed. Every

826
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars I get after that also guaranteed would

827
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: be a big deal, right, So if I ended up

828
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: getting eight hundred dollars out of the thousand guaranteed, I

829
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 2: got an extra thirty percent, that's a huge coup for me.

830
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: But if ninety six percent of the contracts guaranteed, so

831
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 2: ninety six hundred of the thousand, getting the extra four

832
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: dollars seems crazier as a headline, not that crazy in reality.

833
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: I see Maria in real estate all the time, and

834
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: I've been guilty of this too. She actually talked me

835
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 2: out of when we bought this house. Is so many

836
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 2: times in real estate you end up arguing with the

837
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: other and there's a pride aspect, in an ego aspect

838
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: over a tiny amount of money. It's one thing if

839
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 2: the house is on sale for a million and you're

840
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: offering seven hundred grand and there's a huge gap. But

841
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: how often that she sees this dude's offering. You know,

842
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: the house is on the market for nine point fifty.

843
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 2: This guy, they've kind of finally come to nine point thirty.

844
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: It's like, you guys are pretty close twenty thousand dollars,

845
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: and even with interest rates high, like the difference of

846
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 2: a purchase price of twenty grand, ten grand, five grand

847
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: has a tiny, tiny impact. Now, hundreds of thousands of

848
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: dollars clearly make a big deal. But we're not talking

849
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 2: about that here. We are talking about ninety five, ninety six,

850
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: ninety eight percent of the contract is guaranteed. So Cassario,

851
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 2: just play, I'll give you a hundred. Now, is that

852
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 2: different with the later pick? You know the Judkins thing.

853
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 2: Obviously he's in trouble. Now that's a whole other complicated

854
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 2: issue to me. If the contract is ninety seven percent guaranteed,

855
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: as someone told me, if we draft a guy at

856
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 2: pick forty two, like we believe that guy is gonna

857
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: be a pretty freaking good player, because if we didn't,

858
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 2: guess what, we would have drafted someone else. Now that's

859
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: where the owner gets involved. Well, of course, you guys

860
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: believed in them, that's why you picked them. But like

861
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 2: we see a lot of these guys fail. So every

862
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 2: single penny that we can avoid paying him worst case scenario,

863
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: you got there's a reason we pay for car insurance,

864
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 2: home insurance. You don't want your house to burn down.

865
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: You don't want to get in a car wreck. But

866
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 2: sometimes a dude t bones you. When Maria was in college,

867
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: your parents' house burned down. Freak deal electrical thing burned down.

868
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: Luckily they had home insurance rebuilt the house. But if

869
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 2: you don't, you're kind of fucked, you know. And it's

870
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 2: no different here. This is a little different because you're

871
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,479
Speaker 2: just talking maybe one hundred grand or a couple hundred grand,

872
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 2: But over the grand scheme of things, if you save

873
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: money on situations that go bad, that's a pretty smart

874
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 2: way to do business. So from what I've heard is

875
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 2: some teams were like, hey, we're paying him ninety seven.

876
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 2: I don't want to argue from an agent perspective. Can

877
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 2: you imagine what a win it is, Cause if you're

878
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 2: an agent, you're not gonna have seven top fifteen players.

879
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 2: So if you have three guys going the first round,

880
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: that's pretty good. And if you have a couple second rounders.

881
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 2: If I tell you got five guys in the top

882
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: two rounds, that's really good. Well, the first round contracts,

883
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: unless you're Shamar Stewart, take care of themselves. The second

884
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: round contracts, if I can go into Alabama, LSU, Oregon,

885
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 2: and yeah, this guy might not be a top ten pick,

886
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: but he's got He might go fortieth, he might go fiftieth,

887
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: he might go thirty eighth, and I can go. You

888
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,439
Speaker 2: know what I did last year, I got my guy

889
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 2: draft in the second round where you projected to go

890
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: a fully guaranteed contract. So you want to go with

891
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: that guy who got his contract, who got ninety five,

892
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: I'll get you every single penny guaranteed. If I was

893
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 2: his dad, if I was the guy's assistant coach, you know,

894
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: position coach or high school coach, I'd be like, we

895
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: should probably go with that guy. Would be a good

896
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: business move. So there are a lot of different variables there.

897
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: We got a lot going on with this contract situation.

898
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: So the forty nine ers guy the Texas defensive line

899
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: didn't show up today. It's gonna be fascinating how many

900
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 2: second rounders over the course of the next week. I

901
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 2: was texting with a buddy on the Chiefs. He says,

902
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: I think their rookies report Monday, like they drive up

903
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 2: to camp on Sunday. So it's when I'm recording this

904
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, like all

905
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 2: these rookies all over the league are gonna be showing up.

906
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: How many of the second rounders that have not signed,

907
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 2: no show? My guess is all of them unless they

908
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: get a contract done. AJ Green Bengals Cards wide receiver.

909
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: I feel like he doesn't get the respect he deserves.

910
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 2: He made two All pros, seven straight up Pro Bowls

911
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 2: in the twenty tens before the Pro Bowl allowed seventh alternate.

912
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: He has over seven hundred catches, seventy touchdowns almost eleven

913
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: thousand yards in twelve seasons, and two of those he

914
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 2: missed many games during the twenty ten decade. He's a

915
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 2: top five and catches yard tds. If he played in

916
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 2: a bigger market, he would have gotten more love. I

917
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: agree we'll get a lot of Hall of Fame questions.

918
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 2: I'm not great with that. I'm really not. My standards

919
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 2: are really high. I think AJ Brown. I saw him play.

920
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: I saw him play when I worked in Philly. I

921
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: saw him play when I was around the Raiders. He dominated.

922
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 2: I mean, a guy freak show. I was at the

923
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: draft in which he got drafted in two thousand would

924
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 2: have been April of eleven, him and Julio great draft.

925
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: I mean it was Cam Newton, Von Miller, Tyron Smith,

926
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 2: JJ Watt, Julio AJ Green, Alden Smith loded with down

927
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 2: So I'm with you. I think if you put them

928
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,919
Speaker 2: on the Packers or the Cowboys or something, for sure.

929
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 2: I think he's talked about like a law Hall of Famer, right,

930
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 2: I'm not great with that. I mean I'm pretty good

931
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: with like is Patrick Mahomes, Hall of Famers, Travis Kelcey.

932
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: But some of the fringe guys, I always lean no,

933
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: like the Domin consue him like no chance, and then

934
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: I look, I'm like, h yeah, he'll be.

935
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: In the mix.

936
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 2: My son is nine and we listen to the pod together.

937
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 2: I like your son a lot he's got, He's got

938
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 2: a bright future. I was wondering if you could look

939
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 2: over the Bills schedule and give us a breakdown of

940
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 2: how you see the season going. Michael thinks we still

941
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: need help in the secondary. Got your kids dialed in.

942
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: I will say this about the Bills what they proved

943
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 2: last year, which I thought was insane. When people were

944
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 2: picking other teams to win, you know, the Bills to

945
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 2: miss the playoffs. The Bills come back to Earth. I'm like,

946
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 2: when you got Josh Allen, it's the equivalent of having

947
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: like an NBA star. You are a lock playoff team

948
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 2: and what they have proven, and unlike the Chiefs because

949
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 2: their division's way shittier. Excuse my language, very young, Michael,

950
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: you are a lock to win the division. I think

951
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: the Bills are at this point in time. To me,

952
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 2: just circle them in Division champs. Twelve to fourteen wins,

953
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 2: maybe if they get injury ravaged eleven. But I don't

954
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 2: even think there's question marks when it comes to like

955
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 2: what they're gonna do. Hey, let's fire through Ravens. Okay,

956
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 2: let's coin flip Jets, Dolphins, Saints, Patriots, Falcons, Panthers. I mean,

957
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 2: you got a lot of wins on your schedule, man.

958
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 2: You get the Chiefs at home, you beat them a

959
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 2: lot in the regular season. Dolphins own them Tampa, even

960
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,959
Speaker 2: if that's a sneaky, hard game at the Texans, Josh

961
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: is built for a dome. At the Steelers, Bengals, Patriots,

962
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 2: Brown's Eagles, Jets. Schedule gets a little more difficult at

963
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 2: the end, but I'd say twelve wins, twelve and five, Okay,

964
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: a couple more questions here congrants on the wedding child expectancy.

965
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 2: Got married last September twenty six and we're thinking of

966
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 2: headed into Lake Tile for a one year anniversary. Do

967
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 2: it and enjoy it? Question for the pod. As an

968
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: Eagles fan, do you think there's a legitimate stigma against

969
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 2: the fan base based on previous reputation of an overall

970
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 2: hyper passionate following I've been a fan since I was seven,

971
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 2: and I was raised in southern California. Long story, I've

972
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 2: met and no more Eagle fans here than fans of

973
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 2: the local teams Rams and Chargers. Knowing that you've seen firsthand,

974
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 2: obviously working for the organization, I wanted to know your

975
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 2: thoughts on the general consensus around the league and if

976
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 2: there's truly a genuine disdain for the Eagles fan base.

977
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 2: I think overall, you could go to most stadiums and

978
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 2: find fucking people that you would, I mean not in

979
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: a million years want to sit next to for three hours,

980
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 2: and these videos go viral of people fighting at all

981
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 2: these stadiums, just being complete more, I don't know why

982
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 2: you would want to attend an NFL game, especially if

983
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 2: you are the fan of that team. Spend a decent

984
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 2: amount of money, pay for a bunch of beers while

985
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: you're in there, which are not cheap, and then get

986
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: into a fight. I think you are a complete idiot.

987
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: And we see these videos every single year all the time.

988
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: I don't think it's random. They typically are in the

989
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 2: upper bowl right. You don't usually see these fights happening

990
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 2: in like the VIP section or in the right It's like,

991
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 2: I'm coming here to enjoy the game. Obviously, Philly is

992
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 2: an intense place to play. There is going to be

993
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: a harsher environment with the people paying premiums sitting closer

994
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 2: to the field than if you went to a Charger

995
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 2: game I would imagine, or a game at Levi Stadium

996
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: with the forty nine ers. But I think overall, the

997
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: experience place to place is not that much different. I

998
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 2: know my personal experience with Philly it's like, I thought

999
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 2: it was pretty normal, and I've been to a lot

1000
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 2: of NFL games at the Oakland Coliseum, I've been to

1001
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 2: games at Candlestick. It's like, yeah, I mean, if you

1002
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 2: piss off the wrong guy and he's wasted, you might

1003
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 2: get into a fight. I think that would happen at

1004
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 2: most places, But I think the overall percentage of people

1005
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 2: are there to root on their team and enjoy themselves.

1006
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 2: If you're a season ticket holder, if you're going to

1007
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: a game, you're doing it like as an escape, as

1008
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 2: something to do, something enjoyment. I mean when I see

1009
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 2: people fighting at games or concerts, I'm like, I can't

1010
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 2: relate to that and listen. I understand people get a

1011
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: little too sauced up, but I've always thought the Philly

1012
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: stuff has taken on a life of its own. I mean,

1013
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 2: the amount of people. It's one thing. If a player

1014
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 2: goes listen, I had a bad experience there, It's like, yeah,

1015
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 2: you can have a bad experience at most away places.

1016
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 2: You can get people to say stupid stuff. This is sports, Like,

1017
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 2: I mean, most stuff isn't that serious. But when I

1018
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: see like the media people or people on Twitter or

1019
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 2: people on social media, if you've never been to a

1020
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 2: game there, you're just regurgitating what other people have said.

1021
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 2: Because they threw a snowball at Santa, maybe Santa got

1022
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 2: in bad presence. They booed Michael Irvin when it looked

1023
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 2: like he broke his neck. It's like, yeah, that had

1024
00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 2: a bad moment. They didn't realize, but in my time

1025
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 2: going to games with the Link, I thought it was

1026
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 2: pretty enjoyable. Last question, Atlanta Native, We've been trashed for

1027
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 2: a while now. For the first time, Terry has been

1028
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 2: overly aggressive addressing our defensive holes. List all these players

1029
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 2: and some really good talent in the draft, Pierce, etc.

1030
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 2: What are your realistic thoughts on us winning ten to

1031
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 2: eleven games this year? I think it's on the table.

1032
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 2: We have the thirt easiest schedule. Penix I see compared

1033
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 2: to Warren Moon, Bijon is a superstar. Kyle Pitch should

1034
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 2: have a good year. He finally might have a real quarterback.

1035
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 2: Defense should be average, which is a lot better than

1036
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: worse than the league. A lot of analysts are saying

1037
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: US going seven to ten, eight nine, so I think

1038
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 2: we fly under the radar. I just have a hard

1039
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 2: time betting on the culture of your squad. I really

1040
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 2: I love Michael Pennock. The biggest bet I've ever made

1041
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 2: in my entire life on a football game was Michael

1042
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 2: Penix against Texas in the Final four, and he lit

1043
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 2: him up like a Christmas tree. It was awesome. I've

1044
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 2: been rooting for Michael Penix for years stud and I

1045
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 2: think he'll be solid, but I just it's hard for

1046
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 2: me to trust the operation. It really is. I think

1047
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 2: the Pierce thing, he's a guy like a major wild card.

1048
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 2: He was off a ton of teams boards so it'd

1049
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 2: be one thing if like the Belichick Patriots, or like

1050
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 2: when the Eagles drafted Jalen Carter, they had this infrastructure

1051
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 2: not just from a coaching standpoint, but they're players. So

1052
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 2: when I got Jalen Carter, you had to answer to

1053
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 2: Fletcher Cox and Brandon Graham or are you gonna screw

1054
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 2: around act like an idiot? Of course not. You see

1055
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 2: Jason Kelcey and Lane Johnson and Jordan my Lot at

1056
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 2: every single day at practice, Landon Dickerson, like this is

1057
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 2: how we do it. Who's that guy for the Falcons.

1058
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Speaker 2: So I'm not disputing you've got some talent on the team.

1059
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 2: You do have some good players. You had a good

1060
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 2: offensive line, like you said, Bijon, excellent talent, even Drake London.

1061
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 2: It's pretty solid. I'm not the Kyle Pitts thing. I'm sorry,

1062
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 2: I'm out, Like that's just one of those things like

1063
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 2: I'm just out. I don't think he's like some scrub.

1064
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 2: But obviously if you did a redraft, he's not going

1065
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 2: in the first round, probably defensively, though I don't know.

1066
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 2: I just I'm gonna bet against it until I'm wrong.

1067
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 2: I bet against you guys last year, and I was

1068
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 2: proven right now. If Pennix is dramatically better than Cousins,

1069
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 2: then maybe you'll be okay. But it's gonna be pretty.

1070
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 2: The other thing is, like the Bucks are just good,

1071
01:02:54,800 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 2: like Baker's their infrastructure, they're they all these guys have won.

1072
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 2: It's one thing they really have. Like all their guys

1073
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 2: know how to win. It's the problem for the Falcons.

1074
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 2: You guys just do not know how to win. And

1075
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 2: sometimes it's like, Okay, we bring in Jim Harball or

1076
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 2: Sean Payton's like okay, like were Heem Morris as a

1077
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 2: head coach. I just have no faith in their operation.

1078
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pick him to win seven eight games, kind

1079
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 2: of like last year. Might look a little different, but

1080
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 2: I think we end up with the same result. I'm

1081
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 2: gonna I screwed up. I picked the Saints last year.

1082
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the Bucks this year. But I'm gonna

1083
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 2: bet against you guys, and I think you guys will

1084
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 2: be one of the teams that I envision firing everybody

1085
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 2: at the end of the season, which sucks because Michael

1086
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 2: Panic's gonna go through a pretty chaotic NFL life and

1087
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 2: everyone all the Shanahan guys love. Rahie Morris seems like

1088
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 2: a very likable guy, so this is he just might

1089
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 2: be one of those guys maybe meant to be a two,

1090
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 2: which happens right. Fangio is a good example I saw

1091
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 2: last year is like, what is going on here in

1092
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 2: my n even Ballar's fault, Maybe it's the GM who

1093
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 2: built just a weird team. Maybe Terry's just not very good.

1094
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,959
Speaker 2: I would say maybe he's the bigger problem than the coach.

1095
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 2: But I'm betting against the Falcons for sure.

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Speaker 1: The volume