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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.

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Speaker 2: An absolutely beautiful young nursing student has been murdered. Why

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Speaker 2: am I hearing about? Why does she go jogging? Why

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Speaker 2: does she go jogging alone?

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Speaker 1: On and on and on?

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Speaker 2: Can we talk about the illegal immigrant that murdered her,

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Speaker 2: that watched her as she jogged at Uga University, Georgia

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Speaker 2: and waited for the right moment to pounce?

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Speaker 1: Can we talk about that? Look?

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Speaker 2: I hate politics, I hate the Republicans, and I hate

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Speaker 2: the Democrats, and I hate the independence They lie, But

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Speaker 2: I want answers.

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Speaker 1: I want the truth.

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Speaker 2: Why was this guy here? Why was he not already

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Speaker 2: behind bars? Why was he not already reported? And can

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Speaker 2: anybody tell me why this happened to Lacan?

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories

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Speaker 2: and on Serious XM one eleven. This beautiful nursing student

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Speaker 2: had a horrible, horrible death.

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Speaker 1: Look at Lacan. She's absolutely stunning. Her family has.

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Speaker 2: Supported her, helped her move forward in life, and all

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Speaker 2: she wanted to do was.

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Speaker 1: Help other people. Why is this girl dead? Why was her.

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Speaker 2: Body found on a jogging path near a lake in Athens?

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Speaker 2: What are we doing to protect our own citizens, the

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Speaker 2: most vulnerable women, children, minorities. Are we doing anything because

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Speaker 2: it feels like we're not. Let's start with what we know.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to Chief.

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Speaker 1: Jeff clark a University of Georgia PD.

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Speaker 3: On February twenty second, twenty twenty four, at approximately twelve

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Speaker 3: seven pm, the University of Georgia Police Department received a

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Speaker 3: call from an individual concern for a friend who had

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Speaker 3: gone jogging at the inter mirror of fields. Our officers

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Speaker 3: responded to that area and immediately began a search of

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Speaker 3: the area to attempt to locate the individual. Officers located

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Speaker 3: the individuals in the area behind Lake Herrick at approximately

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Speaker 3: twelve eight The individual was unconscious and not breathing and

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Speaker 3: had visible injuries. Officers immediately begin rendering medical eight emergency

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Speaker 3: medical responders determined that the individuals was deceased upon their arrival.

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Speaker 2: This poor little girl, there's nothing they could do to

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Speaker 2: save her. When I first heard she was unresponsive, I

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Speaker 2: thought maybe she was just passed out cold, maybe she

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Speaker 2: was in a coma.

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Speaker 1: But no, she was left there dead.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to find out all the facts about how

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Speaker 2: she was left you know, I want to point out

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Speaker 2: that normally I get a bad taste in my mouth,

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Speaker 2: my teeth go on edge when I hear campus police

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Speaker 2: are handling a case. I think back to Kristen Smart,

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Speaker 2: remember that how badly they ruined the murder investigation. But

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Speaker 2: in this case, I've got to say, it seems to

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Speaker 2: me that the UGAPD did everything right, God willing, but

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Speaker 2: it sounds like they did. You were just hearing Chief

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Speaker 2: Jeff Clark as he addresses the discovery of this young

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Speaker 2: girl's body with me an all star panel to make

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Speaker 2: sense of what we know right now. Before I go

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Speaker 2: to Jason Dennis, main anchor WTVM on the case from

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Speaker 2: the beginning, I want to go to a longtime friend

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Speaker 2: and colleague who I immediately thought of when I heard

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Speaker 2: about Lake and Riley the nursing student.

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Speaker 1: It's Phil Vitrono.

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Speaker 2: We all lived through on the outside looking in. When

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Speaker 2: Karina Vitrono, his beautiful young daughter, was out jogging, he.

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Speaker 1: Always jogged with her like my dad did.

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Speaker 2: That one day he had a back element that he

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Speaker 2: just couldn't go, And when she didn't call him and

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Speaker 2: he didn't hear from her, he knew something was wrong.

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Speaker 2: He knew it was just a sixth sense. Phil Vitronto,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: You know. Phil Vitronto, by the way, was hauled.

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Speaker 2: Out of his daughter's funeral as they were about to

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Speaker 2: have the funeral to get his DNA taken. Did he

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Speaker 2: complain No? Did he endure abuse online in the media speculation. Yes,

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Speaker 2: he was stood at all until Karina's killer was convicted. Phil,

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Speaker 2: when you see another story, when you heard about Lake

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Speaker 2: and Riley, do you feel like nothing is being done?

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Speaker 4: Nancy? When I first heard the story, to quote Yogi Bera,

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Speaker 4: it was like deja vu all over again.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we had.

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Speaker 4: Son Orcott, and then we had Molly Timmitts, and now

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Speaker 4: we have Lincoln and the situation, the circumstances are so similar.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the perpetrator was not a non US citizen,

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Speaker 4: had no care about human life, just dump the bodies.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, I mean when I first heard this, I

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Speaker 1: Place, not a good place at all. Guys, Phil, the

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Speaker 1: Toronto is weighing in.

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Speaker 2: Phil, please jump in whenever a thought occurs to you,

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Speaker 2: because you have lived.

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Speaker 1: Through this same exact scenario.

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Speaker 2: Let me go straight out to Jason Dennis now for

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Speaker 2: the very lace and what.

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Speaker 1: We know happened. I'm very curious.

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Speaker 2: First of all, Jason Dennis, take a listen to Rachel

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Speaker 2: Bonia Crime online.

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Speaker 6: Riley sits out on a morning run. She grabs her phone,

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Speaker 6: telling her roommate that she'll be back after a half

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Speaker 6: roun at the UGA campus intermural field. When Riley doesn't

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Speaker 6: return for hours, her roommate calls campus police nine one

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Speaker 2: Jason Dennis, again, thank you for being with us. I

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Speaker 2: want to talk about not so much leading up to

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Speaker 2: the discovery of her body. I want to.

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Speaker 1: Talk about the evidence.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about how she was found, who

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Speaker 2: found her, at the condition of her body hit it.

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Speaker 5: She was found right next to a lake next to

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Speaker 5: the intermural fields. And my son is a sophomore at

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Speaker 5: the University of Georgia. He actually parts there at the

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Speaker 5: innermural fields. And so around this lake is a pretty

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Speaker 5: it's a pretty normal place for students, for people in

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Speaker 5: the community of Athens, Georgia, to run around. And this

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Speaker 5: was on a Thursday morning, you know, right in the

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Speaker 5: and as the you know, Uga police sheep was talking

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Speaker 5: about and he says, he called this a crime of opportunity.

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Speaker 5: So she went there running, we assume, by herself. And

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Speaker 5: you know he apparently mister Obara, twenty six year old

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Speaker 5: Jose Antonio Ibarra, the suspect here in a legal immigrant

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Speaker 5: from Venezuela. He lives in an apartment complex. It's literally

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Speaker 5: right next to this lake. That area where she was killed,

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Speaker 5: So as Uga police called it a crime of opportunity,

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Speaker 5: he's still behind bars, no bond, long list of charges

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Speaker 5: like malice, murder, felony, murder, kidnapping. And she was found there,

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Speaker 5: So we're not sure if there was any kind of

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Speaker 5: of killing her in a brutal way and leaving her

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Speaker 5: there dead to be found around lunchtime last Thursday, and

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Speaker 5: students have not been They canceled classes on Friday at

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Speaker 5: the University of Georgia, one of the top schools in

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Speaker 5: today on this Monday. So, as my son and others

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Speaker 5: have said, very somber, very sad vibe on campus. This

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Speaker 5: is the first murder actually on UGA's campus in thirty years,

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Speaker 5: according to the staff there at the school.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jason Dennis, that campus, PD, They're on you like

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Speaker 2: a cheap suit. We have a family friend whose son

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Speaker 2: attended j graduated with honors. A musician the works, then

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Speaker 2: got a job connected to Homeland security. He was a

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Speaker 2: musician walking down Music Road there in Athens and somebody

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Speaker 2: threw an ID over a fence at a bar. He

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Speaker 2: fake IDA.

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Speaker 1: He went, I'm not using the fake ID, it just came.

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Speaker 2: Long story short, they're watching you like crazy, and I

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Speaker 2: firmly believe this is very well the first homicide in

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Speaker 2: at least thirty years.

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Speaker 1: Time Stories with me. It's a grease joining me right now.

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Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, a director of the Cold Case Research Institute

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Speaker 2: and star of Zone seven hit podcast Cheryl. I've been

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Speaker 2: to Uga. I've seen the running path. A lot of

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Speaker 2: young ladies run that path all the time. And I

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Speaker 2: can't believe, Cheryl, that everybody's screaming about why was she

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Speaker 1: What was she wearing? Was she wearing shorts? Was she

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Speaker 1: wearing a jogging bra? Why was she alone? Why did

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Speaker 1: you pick that time of the day. It's obscene.

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Speaker 2: Why aren't we talking about this guy who came into

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Speaker 2: the country illegally?

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Speaker 1: Number one?

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Speaker 2: He was detained at I believe it's El Paso coming

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Speaker 2: across the border. They let him go, Then he was

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Speaker 2: arrested in New York, they let him go, and here

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Speaker 2: he comes to Uga to collide with Laken. Before I

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Speaker 2: get on that, tell me what you observed about the scene.

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Speaker 2: I want to see if I agree with you.

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Speaker 7: Okay, when you get right there at Lake Harrick, there's

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Speaker 7: a multi level parking day so this is a well

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Speaker 7: You've got a multiple tennis court, when we were there

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Speaker 7: There were people with their dogs, there were people kayaking.

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Speaker 7: This is not a place that is not well traveled

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Speaker 2: Okay, stop right there, stop right there, Stop right there, guys,

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Speaker 2: we're showing you pictures that Cheryl actually took for us.

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Speaker 2: She has been on the ground for the last two

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Speaker 2: days combing the area to report back everything she could find.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you completely.

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Speaker 2: Right now, we're showing you where we believe Lacan's body

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Speaker 2: was found. Does anybody on the panel know whether Lacin

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Speaker 2: was clothed or unclothed or partially clothed jump In she.

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Speaker 8: Was discovered, you know, with extreme facial injuries from what

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Speaker 8: I was able to determine in my conversations. And of course,

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Speaker 8: the problem here, Nancy, is something that we all need

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Speaker 8: to be aware of. As an instructor for the Bureau,

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Speaker 8: you know, I taught death investigations, and one of the

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Speaker 8: important points here is that individuals when they are in

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Speaker 8: be that area is supposed to be watched. It's supposed

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Speaker 8: to be well traveled, but apparently it wasn't at the time.

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Speaker 8: And we know these serial offenders, or these offenders like

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Speaker 8: the individual who's charge here, frequently target areas of people.

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Speaker 8: And my largest question.

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Speaker 5: Is, how in the world did they come from New York?

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Speaker 8: How are they living when they're not working in this

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Speaker 8: you know they were in that area. They've seen he

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Speaker 8: has seen that individual, if not that individual, other young

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Speaker 8: ladies jogging by themselves, and they're certainly encouraged to do that.

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Speaker 8: It's a health issue. It's a middle issue with running,

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Speaker 8: and so it's unfortunate that we can't protect women wherever

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Speaker 8: they are. But we know this. Women have a right

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Speaker 8: to be frightened of certain men, and that's exactly what's

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Speaker 2: You're hearing Dale Carson joining us high profile lawyer out

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Speaker 1: Coop in Miami Dade.

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Speaker 2: Never lack of business there, Dale, You're absolutely right, Cheryl McComb,

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Speaker 2: I want.

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Speaker 1: To get back to the location.

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Speaker 2: I like that you pointed out how well used this

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Speaker 1: Cheryl.

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Speaker 2: I'm a runner, and there have been many times, and

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Speaker 2: running no earbuds in Pilvitronto taught us that because Karina

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Speaker 1: But no earbuds.

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Speaker 2: But when you're running, you're in a groove and you're

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Speaker 1: But every once in a.

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Speaker 2: But this girl, Laken had a route. She had a

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Speaker 1: He knew this trail. He watched it like a predator.

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Speaker 2: Like a hyena at the water, watching the gazelles approach,

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Speaker 2: and he waited for just the right one at the.

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Speaker 1: Right time, and he pounced.

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Speaker 2: And I guarantee MT you technical legal term that he

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Speaker 2: did or try to sex assault.

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Speaker 1: This young girl. He didn't just jump on her for

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Speaker 2: No, this guy, I guarantee you I've tacked her and

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Speaker 2: he needs to go straight to the Georgia Death Penalty

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Speaker 2: as a pit stop to hell. She did everything right, Cheryl.

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Speaker 2: They had band practice there, pick a ball, tennis. It's

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Speaker 2: a very well used jogging path, Cheryl. What else did

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Speaker 7: The most important thing to me is the route is

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Speaker 7: She was a cross country runner in high school. She

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Speaker 7: That's where he was waking on her. So again, instead

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Speaker 7: of asking why was she there, why was he there?

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Speaker 7: Why was he allowed to stalk and attack and murder

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Speaker 7: it backs right up to this path that leads you

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Speaker 1: Cris fenced off, is it no Surrey. There's no fence.

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Speaker 7: It's wide open, and there's multiple apartment complexes that can

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Speaker 7: is a beautiful place. But again from his back door,

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Speaker 8: Is there any visual connection.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he can see from his apartment into the area.

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Speaker 2: He's just a few moments where he lives.

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Speaker 2: His brother, who is now behind bars on other charges,

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Speaker 2: They have an arrest, the brother multiple arrests. This guy

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Speaker 2: one arrest. They're still here, and he murders our lakin

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Speaker 1: She can't wait to take care of other people. That's over.

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Speaker 1: She was brutally beaten.

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Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan, what can you tell me about her

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Speaker 2: mode of death?

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan is with us, professor of Forends at

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Speaker 2: He's the author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon

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Speaker 2: Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, tell me about this little girl's

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Speaker 2: mode of deaths twenty two years old, Dean's list, her

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Speaker 1: How did he kill her? According to police?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, according to the police. What they're saying is that

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Speaker 9: think about Remember you talked about a case of opportunity,

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Speaker 9: beaten her to death with his with his hands, or

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Speaker 9: he could have stepped on her. So that's going to

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Speaker 2: Spin but white, white white, he didn't just step on her.

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Speaker 2: If his feet were the murder weapons, he had to

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Speaker 2: me he is like Bundy, used a club, a piece

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and one other thing, Nancy, it's very important we

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Speaker 9: Did he have a hide set up that is an

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Speaker 9: He had picked out the location, and is there physical

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Speaker 9: Let's think about also cigarette butts, anything that is left

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Speaker 9: behind that ties back specifically to him, that shows him

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Speaker 9: in some kind of perch there waiting where he's kind

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Speaker 9: You know that you can't see everybody to your left

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Speaker 1: I totally believe is this Jason jumping? Go ahead?

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Speaker 4: It's Phil truth.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's Phil, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: I totally believe he staked out the area as in

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Speaker 4: And I believe this is what I believe that did

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Speaker 2: Phil Vitronto joining me was the father of Karina Vitronto.

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Speaker 2: Phil got a question when Karina was murdered, did the

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Speaker 4: He first hit her with an available object, a rock,

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Speaker 2: And you know, Phil, I don't like talking about the

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Speaker 2: and putting it out there.

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Speaker 1: What Karina lived through and what you live through. Karina

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Speaker 2: And in this case, when I look at Laken and

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Speaker 2: it's to you, Jason Dennis from WTVM, who's been on

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Speaker 2: Vanessa Marcott, Molly, Tibbitts, now Laken. What more can you

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Speaker 2: tell us what connected this sacker crap.

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Speaker 1: To the murder?

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Speaker 5: First of all, Nancy, I can tell you that as

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Speaker 5: he's a student at UGA, one of about thirty five

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Speaker 2: forty one thousand, five hundred and thirty nine acres, spread

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Speaker 2: out over multiple counties. Yes, I wish they asked surveillance

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Speaker 2: video there. But this guy is the killer, and I

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Speaker 2: want to know, Cheryl McCollum, what do we know that's

442
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Speaker 2: going to connect him?

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Speaker 1: Do you know, Dale jump in, Here's what a lot, there's.

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Speaker 8: A there's a broader problem that we're all missing here.

445
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Speaker 8: When people come into this country illegally, the ability of

446
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Speaker 8: us to vet them out and find out what their

447
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Speaker 8: personal history is with Venezuela is nonexistent. These individuals could

448
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Speaker 8: be serial predators in Venezuela and coming here for the

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Speaker 8: rest of the herd, as you've mentioned with an excellent

450
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Speaker 8: description of the hyenas and the gazelles. I mean, we

451
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Speaker 8: can't let people just wander into the country. When we

452
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Speaker 8: used to do background investigations, we had the authority of

453
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Speaker 8: the FBI to look at the other countries criminal records.

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Speaker 2: We don't have that with vengous No speaking of him

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Speaker 2: having left Ennezuela, how do I know he wasn't leaving

456
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Speaker 2: crime allegations there?

457
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Speaker 1: I do know this. He is married with a five

458
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Speaker 1: year old.

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Speaker 2: Child, Cheryl McCollum. Cheryl and trying to figure out what

460
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Speaker 2: is connecting him. Obviously he's not that smart. So did

461
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Speaker 2: he have bloody clothing? Does somebody place him there?

462
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Speaker 1: What do you know?

463
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Speaker 7: There's two heroes in this thing, Nancy. First, the roommate

464
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Speaker 7: that cut his time down from able to hide and

465
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Speaker 7: cover up and get away with this thing. So the

466
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Speaker 7: roommate is the first person that alerted us so quickly

467
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Speaker 7: so that they could get on his trail. The second

468
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Speaker 7: thing is, I absolutely believe he discarded something in a

469
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Speaker 7: dumpster from the back of his apartment complex. How you

470
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Speaker 7: access the pay is where their dumpsters are. I believe

471
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Speaker 7: a second person notified law enforcement that they saw him

472
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Speaker 7: discard something. If you look at the photographs that have

473
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Speaker 7: been released, you see GBI agents searching certain dumpsters. We

474
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Speaker 7: were able to talk to some business owners there that

475
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Speaker 7: confirmed without a doubt they were searching for clothing.

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Speaker 2: Time Stories with Nancy Grace walk through this with me,

477
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Speaker 2: Joe Scott, and Cheryl McCollum.

478
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Speaker 1: Searching for clothing, her clothing.

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Speaker 2: Which means she was sex attack, which means we may

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Speaker 2: be able to get DNA from him or his clothing,

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Speaker 2: which is likely if he used to rot, which is

482
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Speaker 2: what we're guessing, or if he bludgeoned her with fists,

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Speaker 2: he will have blood on him.

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Speaker 1: Looking for clothing, Go ahead.

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Speaker 7: I believe it was his clothing. He was trying to

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Speaker 7: get rid of something that he.

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Speaker 1: Wore, So then DNA go ahead. Joe Scott jump.

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Speaker 9: In, Yeah, one point here. In addition, to that. If

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Speaker 9: he's getting rid of his clothing, there's something he cannot

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Speaker 9: get rid of. They caught him pretty quickly, Nancy. And

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Speaker 9: because this is such a frenetic event, and I can

492
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Speaker 9: almost guarantee you she fought back, all right, he's going

493
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Speaker 9: to have evidence on him in the form of trauma

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Speaker 9: that could have been sustained as from her defending herself, scratches,

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Speaker 9: that sort of thing, but also one other thing. On

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Speaker 9: his knuckles and on the surfaces both aspects of his hands.

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Speaker 9: He might have bruises and abrasions there where he is

498
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Speaker 9: attacking her, and you can't get past that. He can't

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Speaker 9: explain that away. With that, you can have transfer. If

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Speaker 9: he's broken his skin in any way, you can have

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Speaker 9: transfer of his DNA to her remains there at the scene.

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Speaker 1: And that's going to be a I'm trying to take

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Speaker 1: in what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: But you got me drinking from a fire hydrant. Could

505
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: you say that again? And regular people talk, okay, dummy

506
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Speaker 2: down for me?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So if he has injuries to his hand, Nancy,

509
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Speaker 9: just think about any kind of abrasion or bruise laceration.

510
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Speaker 9: If he is bleeding from that area, he can transfer

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Speaker 9: that to her remains. They would have had to have

512
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Speaker 9: gone over her remains unfortunately, very very carefully at the

513
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Speaker 9: eme's office to examine her for any foreign DNA. They

514
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Speaker 9: would have done swabs on her specifically looking for that

515
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Speaker 9: any kind of hair transfer as well that came off

516
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Speaker 9: of him transferred onto her. I don't think he would

517
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Speaker 9: have had sufficient amount of time to prepare her body

518
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Speaker 9: and to eradicate any other DNA from her.

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Speaker 2: When you say prepare body, you mean like Nicole Lovell's body.

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Speaker 1: The little girl was thrown on the side of the road.

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Speaker 2: If someone had stripped her naked and wiped her down

522
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Speaker 2: with alcoholic wet wipes, that's.

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Speaker 1: What you mean by I prepared the body.

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Speaker 9: Okay, thanks got out here.

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Speaker 1: He didn't have time. You're right. I want you to

526
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Speaker 1: hear more of what we know about this. Poc.

527
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Speaker 2: Jose Ibarda from Venezuela take a listen to Dave matt

528
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Speaker 2: from Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 10: Jose Ebarra is from Venezuela and came to the US illegally,

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Speaker 10: arriving in Olpaso, Texas with his wife and her five

532
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Speaker 10: year old son, Dudo. Overcrowding at the center in Texas. Ibarra,

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Speaker 10: his wife, Leyling Franco, and her five year old son

534
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Speaker 10: are all sent by bust in New York City a

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Speaker 10: week after crossing the border. They are given food and lodging,

536
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Speaker 10: and Ibarra begins posting pictures on social media about living

537
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Speaker 10: the high life in New York City. Ibarra is working

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Speaker 10: DoorDash and who Reads When he gets arrested for carrying

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Speaker 10: his wife's five year old son without a helmet or

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Speaker 10: protection of any kind on his scooter. Ibarra has let

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Speaker 10: out of jail. He and his wife split up, and

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Speaker 10: Jose Ebarra ends up living in Athens, Georgia with his

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Speaker 10: brother Diego. Their apartment is a five minute walk from

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Speaker 10: where the body of Lake and Riley is found.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the.

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Speaker 2: Best day work that his wife ever did, leaving him.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you'd want to tell me there weren't red

548
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: flags before this, Cheryl McCallum, you were speaking before I

549
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Speaker 2: went to Dave Matt.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, jump in, tell me everything you know.

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Speaker 7: I just want to really brag on law enforcement, University

552
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Speaker 7: of Georgia police, Clark County Police, the GBI, the FBI, Nancy.

553
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Speaker 7: They are photographs they've already released where you can see

554
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Speaker 7: their command center on the twenty third is set up

555
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Speaker 7: right in front of his front door. Basically, now, if

556
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Speaker 7: that's not an old crap moment for this guy, then

557
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 7: they take him in for questioning and then hours later

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Speaker 7: they make an arrest. So you're talking about from the

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Speaker 7: twenty second to the twenty third, that is how fast

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Speaker 7: they moved on this thing. And that's how unbelievably seamless

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Speaker 7: all of those agencies work together.

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Speaker 2: You know, Del Carson, I want to follow up on

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Speaker 2: what Cheryl McCollum just said, Del Carson. He may lie,

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Speaker 2: but you know what doesn't lie. DNA doo right, Beney Claycasen.

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Speaker 1: And under the law, you can choose not to speak under.

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Speaker 2: Your Fifth Amendment right to remain silent, but you can't

567
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Speaker 2: fight a legal search warrant. And search warrants apply to

568
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Speaker 2: taking your blood, taking your fingerprint, getting your DNA saliva,

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Speaker 2: the works.

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Speaker 1: They can police I've done it, can get a DNA

571
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Speaker 1: for you to walk to, for you to give.

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Speaker 2: A voice analysis. So while you don't have to testify

573
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Speaker 2: against yourself, they can absolutely get his DNA. Don't you

574
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Speaker 2: know they're going to go through his apartment he shared

575
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Speaker 2: with his jailbird brother with a fine tooth comb to

576
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Speaker 2: find everything they can. But they can get all that

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Speaker 2: evidence pursue it to a valid search warrant, Yes, no,

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Speaker 2: del Carson.

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Speaker 8: Yes, absolutely, and that's what they've done. They did another

580
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Speaker 8: interesting thing which is coming vogue now, which is they

581
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Speaker 8: take the suspect and put him outside while they do

582
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Speaker 8: the search, so there's no cross contamination of anything they

583
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Speaker 8: might find during the course of the investigation looking for

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Speaker 8: the very DNA that could be hers or his. And

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Speaker 8: I find it fastening that they've moved that technique ahead

586
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Speaker 8: so that they're certain that what they find is connected

587
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Speaker 8: to the crime and there's no cross contamination as we

588
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Speaker 8: see sometimes.

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Speaker 2: You know another issue to you, Cheryl McCollum. Where her

590
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: body is found. It's across a busy road, and it's

591
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Speaker 2: across from a large dorm and a dining hall. We

592
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Speaker 2: may very well get video surveillance from there.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what, but something.

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Speaker 2: If he lived in this apartment complex, Cheryl McCollum, we

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Speaker 2: may have him leaving and returning to the apartment complex

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Speaker 2: at exactly the time the medical examiner that will be

597
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Speaker 2: you jo Scott could place the time of death mean

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Speaker 2: we are tightening the noose by the minute, Cheryl.

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Speaker 1: No question.

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Speaker 7: And Nancy, when we were there Friday and Saturday, lots

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Speaker 7: of folks were out washing cars, playing with children on

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Speaker 7: their deck of the apartment. So again, the idea that

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Speaker 7: he was not seen is almost zeal to me. It's

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Speaker 7: not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: But I want to talk about.

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Speaker 7: That apartment for a minute. With his brother having you know,

607
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Speaker 7: counterfeit documents, I know what it took to get both

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Speaker 7: of my children an apartment at an sec school town,

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Speaker 7: one in Athens and one in Tuscaloosa.

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Speaker 11: And you know, you've got to have proof of all

611
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Speaker 11: kinds of stuff. You've got to have a credit history.

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Speaker 11: You've got to have a criminal history. Sometimes you've got

613
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Speaker 11: to have somebody that's going to guarantee if you, you know,

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Speaker 11: run out on the bill. You've got to have a

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Speaker 11: driver's license or a state idea, or a passport or

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Speaker 11: social Security card. I don't know how these folks are

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Speaker 11: in this apartment. That's something else that it's got to

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Speaker 11: be looked at.

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Speaker 2: Cheryl. Because they lied, because they lied, does that have

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Speaker 2: a ring of truth to it?

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Speaker 1: Back?

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Speaker 2: To you, Jason Dennis, anchor WTVM News.

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Speaker 1: Jason, what more can you tell me?

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Speaker 2: Because I expect they're going to be additional charges such

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Speaker 2: as rape, such as some sort of sex attack, which

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Speaker 2: is of course an aggravating circumstance under which the local

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Speaker 2: prosecutor can and must seek the death penalty.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a long list of charges already, and I

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Speaker 5: think that if they're able to, I think they will

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Speaker 5: seek the death penalty to send a message, and whether

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Speaker 5: it be sending a message about we're going to protect

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Speaker 5: our students on this campus, whether it's sending a message

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Speaker 5: about illegal immigration, whether sending a message about you know,

634
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Speaker 5: not letting predators prey on these students, are really anyone.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this was a twenty two year old aspiring

636
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Speaker 5: nursing student who had a full, wonderful life of service

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Speaker 5: ahead of her, just snuffed out in an instant because

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Speaker 5: you know, this suspect of Bora did not know her

639
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Speaker 5: at all. He was not a student in the UGA.

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Speaker 5: He came, like you said, from to Athens, Georgia, from

641
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Speaker 5: New York City after splitting with his wife and his

642
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Speaker 5: family there and just to kind of simply put the

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Speaker 5: UGA police chief said that he woke up with bad

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Speaker 5: intentions that day, and it's so sad that, you know,

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Speaker 5: you know, how can you prevent something like that? You

646
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Speaker 5: have to kind of vet that ahead of time. And

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Speaker 5: the UGA president, you know, like Cheryl was saying, very

648
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Speaker 5: relieved that they made a quick arrest. I mean that,

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Speaker 5: I mean it wasn't you know, twenty four hours or

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Speaker 5: so when they made this arrest of this man.

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Speaker 2: Can I talk about the evidence really quickly? Evidence I

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Speaker 2: can deduce from the charges malice murder that means intent,

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Speaker 2: That means he staked her out. He had a perch

654
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Speaker 2: like Joe Scott was talking about, much like Brian Coburger,

655
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Speaker 2: who could go up behind the four victims in the Moscow,

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Speaker 2: Idaho slaves and watch them. You can see directly into

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Speaker 2: their apartment in that home.

658
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: Malice murder, he planned it. Felony murder means.

659
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 2: A death occurred during the commission of another felony, that

660
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 2: being what.

661
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: Is it going to be rape? Is it going to

662
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: be a sex assault?

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00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: We have an aggravated battery, which means not only do

664
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 2: you hurt the person, you deprive them of a limb

665
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: or a body part like an eye, like they're hearing

666
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: like they lose their leg What part of her body

667
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 2: did she lose?

668
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: How was she attacked?

669
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: Aggravated assault which means you put someone in serious fear

670
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 2: of immediate bodily harm, false imprisonment, and kidnap that means

671
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: he moved her even six inches. One inch will qualify

672
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: under Georgia law as exportation, which means movement for a kidnap.

673
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: So I'm learning all this just from the charges.

674
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: Hindering a nine one one call and concealing the death

675
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: of another? Did he cover her up with leaves or

676
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 2: drag her body off the trail? How did he conceal

677
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: the death of another? And what does this mean? Cheryl McCollum.

678
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: Hindering a nine one one call? Did he throw her

679
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: phone in the lake?

680
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: What do we know? What does that mean?

681
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 7: I'm deducing that means she was actively trying to make

682
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 7: a call when he stopped it. He grabbed it, I believe,

683
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 7: and possibly threw it away from her. But interference of

684
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 7: the nine one one call means that call was being placed,

685
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 7: and I believe she knew she was in danger, and

686
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 7: I also believe she fought like hell.

687
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Speaker 2: You know to Phil Vitronto. It reminds me so much.

688
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: He brought it the name Molly Tibbets. Remember Mollie was jogging.

689
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: And she had her.

690
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 2: Phone and she realized this guy, the killer was going

691
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: back and forth beside her, and she held her her

692
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: phone set I'm gonna call nine one one, and then

693
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: she never got to call nine one one.

694
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's what happened here.

695
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 4: Well, we don't know where the phone is, just like

696
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 4: Karna's phone. Karna's phone was found one hundred and eighty

697
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 4: feet from her body, so he discarded the phone. It

698
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 4: might be in the lake. Who knows? I mean, are

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00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 4: you are you sure that she had a phone with her?

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00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 4: I know most kids do job with phones toay instead

701
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 4: of an iPod, But are you assuming that?

702
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 9: Well?

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00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: I do know that he is charged fill with hindering

704
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: a nine to one one call. So who would.

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00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: That victim be?

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00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 2: Guys, if you know anything or think you know anything?

707
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: Did you see her jogging? Did you see him look

708
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: at him? According to police, he is a predator. How

709
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 2: do I know that this is his first victim? I

710
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: don't know that you think this is his first time?

711
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: And he commits a murder his first time at the rodeo.

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00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: I don't know that I believe that, but I do

713
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: know I want justice. Her family is suffering. The only

714
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:21,959
Speaker 2: thing we can do now is seek justice. So if

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00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 2: you think you know anything, please dial seven zero six

716
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 2: five four to two twenty two hundred, repeat seven zero

717
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 2: six five four two twenty two one hundred. I am

718
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: not resting till this guy gets the MAX.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye, friend,