WEBVTT - Best and Worst (non AI) Products at CES 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:05.000 Also media. 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:09.040 This is it could happen here a podcast about things 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:12.400 falling apart, and today the things falling apart are consumer 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:16.120 electronics as an industry. We are at CS twenty twenty six, 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:19.160 the trade show where the tech industry shows us everything 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:21.440 that's going to sell us in the next year. And 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:25.279 we've seen some cool stuff and a lot of bloat wear, 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:28.280 a lot of crap, a lot of AI enabled stuff 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:30.520 that doesn't need to be AI enabled. Here to talk 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:33.560 about it is our panel of experts. 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:35.760 Needs experts is a strong word, but okay. 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:39.320 Yeah, panel is a strong word. Is even a strong word. 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:43.519 I'm Robert Evans. Garrison Davis is also with me. 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:45.520 And I'm Ben rose Porter. 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.760 And you know, Ben, you're an academic, right you do 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:49.680 you do college? 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:50.080 Yeah? 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:50.760 Your college. 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:53.280 I'm a teach sociology. 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:59.720 That's right, that's right, as a sociopath. How a trade shift. 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:04.160 It's fascinating, love, I mean, you know, it's a fascinating 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.440 world sociologically. You can learn a lot of the maladies 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:09.000 of society at this place. 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:10.720 Yeah, it's most of them are on display here. 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.520 We are now going to walk you through a bunch 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.639 of the largely non AI products that we were able 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.880 to find after sorting through the gunk. 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.200 Yeah, it's kind of like like you know how people 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:26.600 like pan for gold. Yes, if instead of like panning 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.399 for gold and like a beautiful mountain stream, like you 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.920 were panning for gold and like a pile of used condoms. 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:36.320 Gold is also generous. This is panning for pennies in 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:38.160 a pile of used condoms. 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:41.120 Right right now? What was the best used condom you 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:43.399 saw it? Twenty twenty six, Garrison? 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:47.040 I think you mean, what's the best penny good products? 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:50.440 Did we see any good products? Yeah, there's some good ones. 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:52.880 Did I I don't know if I saw any good 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:53.680 products this year? 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.920 The translation stuff is still around, and some of it's really. 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:58.840 Cool now, I mean, yeah, we've in other episodes we've 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:02.120 talked about the glasses in the earbuds. Most of the 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:05.200 product sheets I have out now are at the very 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.840 least mixed if if if not, it's not bad. At 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:12.200 Eureka Park there was this product called Nodi which is 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:15.680 a smartphone replacement for for kids, like kids like six 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:18.480 to twelve if you don't want them having a smartphone, 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:22.400 and it allows them to send voice messages to a 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:24.840 parent and who like you know, has like this approoved 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.320 contact list, so you can you can also listen to music, 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:33.000 listen to like some like radio, like like you know, radio, dramas, 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:34.200 price and books. 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:35.519 It connects to Spotify. 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:40.040 You can learn languages allegedly, or you can you can 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:41.960 learn words, right, you can learn words from other languages, 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.519 and you can communicate with your parents. And this was 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:46.120 like fine, right, it's the stuff that we've kind of 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:47.920 seen before, but it was this little like you know, 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.840 silicon kind of looks like like a elf bar. If 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:53.960 you're familiar with an elf bar, it kind of looks 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.079 like that. And it's if yeah, if you don't want 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:58.639 to give your like, you know, six year old an iPhone, 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.320 but you know, want them to have a way to 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:02.680 contact you, right, And. 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:04.320 That's like fine, right. So there's there's a lot of 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.079 like basic stuff like that. 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.799 I guess that is like kind of okay, I don't 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:10.320 want to be cynical for the sake of being cynical. 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:11.360 That kind of stuff bores me. 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:13.440 But there really wasn't that many good products this year 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:15.720 because so many of them just wre lm rappers, as 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:17.280 we discussed in our previous episode. 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:20.240 And there's another there were products that were good and 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.160 I could tell we're good products on their own that 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:24.839 they had still thrown AI functionality that I don't want 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:26.600 that I know will blow itt the price and also 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:29.600 makes it me less want to buy it. LG was 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:33.160 advertising their new OLED television that has like the most 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:37.120 vibrant colors, the best OLED screen that's ever been on 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.600 a TV. I'm sure it looked fucking great. Yeah, video 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.840 of it. The colors, the darks are amazing, are really good. 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.920 But it's also with AI, with Evo AI, and to 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.440 show if it's vibrant colors and what's capable of they 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.080 had a loop of videos that were inspired by the 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.920 Hubbled Space Telescope and you can see it if if 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.160 you ever watched Deep Space nine. It's about the quality 0:03:58.160 --> 0:03:59.880 of the Deep Space nine intro. 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:01.960 It does look very Star Trek intro. 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:06.920 Yeah, which is frustrating because again we have images show 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:10.120 the actual image show they look cool because you know 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:14.160 what they are is real, Like they're real products of 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:16.320 one of the most impressive things human beings ever made. 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.320 And you're bragging that, like we have an AI generating 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.600 images inspired by this thing that look worse. 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:24.280 Yeah, it's just a lot of those things that are 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:24.880 kind of mixed. 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:26.400 I wanted the TV I want. 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.279 I was like, Wow, I might like a TV like 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.440 that until you displayed that part of it, and now 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:33.920 I just kind of feel dirty about even the prospect 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:35.200 of wanting one of your products. 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.160 This is an interesting product I saw the like the 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:41.200 Innovation Awards showcases, is the Acoustic Eye, which is kind 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:41.880 of just off. 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:42.320 That's an ear. 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:43.960 That's an ear, Like, right, that's an ear. We don't 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:45.080 need to do that. 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:49.080 But this is a specifically a security system that tries 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:53.200 to detect very small drones. And this is like for 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.040 you know, high profile people's houses. Mostly you can put 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.040 that on your roof or your window and it'll detect 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:01.920 very small drones that cameras would not be able to detect. 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:06.000 So it's trying to like listen for drones. It provides 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:11.480 three hundred and sixty degree omnidirectional aerial surveillance, detecting invisible 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:15.640 aerial threats. So I would assume that they're trying to 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:19.760 excel these to like, you know, like executives, like CEOs, politicians, 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.280 people who are at risk of either you know, drones 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:27.479 filming around their house or more like kinetic drone based attacks, right, 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.159 and this is an interesting product that's like very current, 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.520 the very current product like this is this is a 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:36.400 reflection of some of the times that we're in. And yeah, 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:38.000 I found I found that to be one of an 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:42.240 interesting thing. I guess we should discuss the exoskeleton, which 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:45.080 is maybe, yes, the best part of the show for me. 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.400 Yes, there's a lot more exoskeletons this year. The technology 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.680 is clearly matured and mature to the point that not 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.599 only is it, do they have viable versions for like 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.680 industrial use for people working in factories and whatnot, right, 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.880 which two years ago is what they were always advertising 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:02.040 is that these are things that you buy at an 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:06.040 enterprise level. And I know they're not primarily concerned with 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:07.719 the health and well being of their workers, but actually 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:09.760 these do improve health and well being of workers. 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:09.960 Right. 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:11.839 It reduces the felt load and the felt strain, it 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:13.880 reduces the damaged knees and back, right. 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.159 And that does affect their productivity, right. 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:17.960 And it also affects a profit because you're not you're 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:19.560 less likely to have workmen's comp claims. 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:19.720 Right. 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:21.719 It's one of those it's one of those things where 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.400 it's a really good idea and the product's work. There's 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:28.520 a number of very good exoskeletons we received from a 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:31.320 company called hyper Shell, an exoskeleton before the convention this 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:33.000 year that you and I both wore on the floor. 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.719 I have some data on it, which is that I 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:38.880 timed my normal walking pace when I'm not particularly trying 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.440 to get anywhere about nineteen minutes a mile, right, if 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.200 I'm just kind of like walking casually. When I put 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:48.480 the Hypershell on and had it at seventy five percent 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.520 power mode, my walking pace was fifteen to sixteen minutes 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:53.240 a mile, about fifteen and a half, I think is 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:57.279 what I generally advertised. And my heart rate didn't change meaningfully. 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.599 It was like one or two higher than it normally. 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.120 Is not really a significant change and heart rate, right, 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:03.840 And I felt like at the end of the day, 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:06.200 my feet heard about a normal amount for a day 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.200 at Cees, but my lower back and my knees felt 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:08.760 less strained. 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:10.600 Right. That was my experience with hyper Shell. 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:14.400 It's like an external hip almost attatches around your waist. 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:16.280 Yeah, there's a belt around your hip and it goes 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.240 up to right above your knees. Is kind of the 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.000 and so it's not a huge footprint. 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.280 No, it's a very small device. And yeah, it goes, 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:22.960 it goes around your hip. 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.440 Then another strap like goes above your knee and it 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:29.000 kind of assists or guides your like leg and your 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:29.720 hip up and down. 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:30.080 Yeah. 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:32.360 And for the record, folks, the basic version of this 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:34.160 product is about a thousand dollars. The version we had 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:36.320 was about twenty one hundred dollars, right, and the battery 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.920 will last about thirty kilometers. They say, I didn't have 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.240 any trouble getting about an eight hour day out of it. 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.440 Ben, you wore it much more than I did. I 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:46.840 wore it a little bit. Do you want to just 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:48.679 talk about your experience with hyper Shell. 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:52.840 Yeah, I was impressed with it. It was first of all, Hypershell, 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.240 very funny name. I like that name. It was pretty 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.360 comfortable to wear, which is I always see the exoskeletons 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.760 and I'm like, it looks kind of but it was 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.320 like it was very easy to take on and pull off. 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:06.520 I was, And it was comfortable and it was pretty simple. 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:11.280 And it basically just has two motors that sort of 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.400 assist when you move your leg, it pushes your leg 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:16.280 and when it comes back in the step, it pushes 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.720 it back down and so it's just assisting and it 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:22.280 tracks your leg pretty well, so there's just very little 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.920 time when you're pushing against the machine. It's coordinated very well. 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.960 I mean, it just functioned. It worked, and you could 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:29.800 walk a long time. 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:30.280 Yeah. 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.320 The fact that it's like, yes, it's a product that 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:35.960 works and it does a thing that has utility, it 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:37.200 feels increasingly rare. 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:37.920 At Cees. 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.880 I was a little disappointed that the product did not 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:44.240 pay attention to my emotions and build a relationship of 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.880 empathy with me. That was, but the walking was got Yeah. 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.720 I asked the hyper Rochelle about its opinions on Proust, 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:51.880 and it had very little to say. 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:54.200 It is it is like two main mode. 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.760 It has like this Eco mode, then it's this hypermode, 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:58.040 which can get really aggressive. 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.520 If you turn up hyper model kind of lifting your legs, 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:01.760 you can. 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.480 You can you could be bounding, yeah, and you you can. 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:04.760 You can. 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:06.560 You can addres like the torque, you can address like 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:08.080 how how much delay it has. 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:09.360 You have a lot of different settings. 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.320 The one thing that I had a lot of fun 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.439 with is that there's this other experimental mode. I don't 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:16.439 know if you turned it on yet called called fitness mode. 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.320 Fitness mode is cool. It does the opposite. It adds 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.920 resistance to like so it's it's for like working out. 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.520 If you want like a harder hike, right then you 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:28.400 can you can. You can turn on fitness mode and 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:29.720 then it'll be it's more work. 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:31.520 Like how Goku trained to walk. 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:35.160 Sure, but something I I I that's an anime thing. 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:35.640 By the way. 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:40.200 Now, one thing that I've found out through through my 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.000 own my my, my own cunning is that if you 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:46.840 have hyper mode turned on all the way, which which 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:50.680 it was when when Ben was wearing the exoskeleton on 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:54.520 my phone, I can switch from hyper mode to fitness 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:58.160 Mode immediately, which completely halts any movement. 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:00.600 So you can be walking like seven. 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:02.600 Fuck up your friends if they don't have the app 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:03.440 had seven. 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.680 You're walking with like seven miles an hour, really fast 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.320 speed walking, and then I press a button and your 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.480 legs are going to an immediate halt. And it was 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:14.920 really fun to do that for about seven hours. 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:20.240 Yeah, I almost crashed into several people just scare to 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:20.920 get his kicks. 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.000 Oh, I'm glad you found the terrorize your friend option. 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:25.160 On that It was really fun. 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:27.480 It was most of the time I used it. 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:29.000 I had installed the app when I got it, but 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.080 I didn't think about it after that because there you 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:33.080 can do everything on device, or at least you can. 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:35.200 Do a lot a lot of analyze device. 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.200 You get a lot more options when you're using the app, 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.040 but you don't have the app to handle the basic functionality. 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:40.240 Right. 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.920 I loved adjusting the the like the intensity of how 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:45.000 much how much doing, and it shows a munch of 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.480 like applications. Or you can wear this hiking like running, 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:49.880 doing you know, lifting your. 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:51.960 Work, and I like the thoughtfulness in there. 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:53.920 You don't need the app to use this, but the 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.480 app vastly The app allows you, gives you a lot 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:57.960 of control that you're not going to get off of 0:10:57.960 --> 0:10:58.920 a simple like button. 0:10:59.120 --> 0:10:59.200 Right. 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:00.960 Yeah, It's just struck me as good design. 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:02.559 It has a lot of like fidelity. 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:06.360 Yeah yeah, so that's the hypershell, folks. Good exoskeleton. I've 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:10.400 used a few at various cess and this one certainly 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.880 strikes me as like a very good like consumer option, 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.640 like if you as an individual want one. And I'm 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.240 sure still most of the sales are going to be 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:20.920 like enterprise different companies that have like you know, want 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:22.960 these for people who are doing like loading and unloading 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:23.880 and like a loading. 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:24.240 Dock or whatever. 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.280 But I think the price prices will continue to go 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:28.840 down and they are now hitting the point where this 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:32.360 is like a thing that individuals can afford if they 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.599 want one. And there is a lot of and Hypershell 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:37.600 focused on this in some of their advertising, but there's 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:39.960 a lot of utility for people with disabilities for stuff 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:41.600 like this, right Like, that's part of the point of 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.760 all of these different products, and in general, when it 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:47.559 came to the stuff where like the because there's AI 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.160 in this too, Hypershell talks about it, and it's mostly 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.520 just like how it learns and reacts to your motions, 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:52.920 right that. 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:54.040 That's like machine learning. 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.720 When we talk about AI, usually the useful applications you 0:11:57.720 --> 0:11:59.160 could also just call machine learning. 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:01.160 That's what we used to say. 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.160 But in general, the products that impressed me most and 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.640 scared me most at CEES were healthcare related products. 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:09.600 Right where we. 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.959 Have a towel that reads your sweat and can tell 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:14.439 if you have like vitamin deficiencies or if you're if 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.640 you're if you're not hydrated enough, or all of these 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:20.280 different like the number of products where it's both like, yes, 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:22.400 this thing can tell if you've like fatty liver disease 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.920 like based on without needing to go to a doctor, 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:29.040 and I'm sure that is useful and will help a 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:29.720 lot of people. 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.960 And also all of these products are. 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:36.240 Selling your data to the highest bedder, your health data, 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:37.280 you're biometrics. 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:38.240 You ask them about that. 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:40.120 Sorry not, I am not aware of that being the 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.280 specific thing for the fatty liver people. That was my 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.080 problem with all of the health wearables. I should just 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:46.840 to be sure, I should clarify the wearables are all 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:50.440 on the cloud and every one of the ones I 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:55.319 saw has deals with the LLLM companies that they're working 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:57.199 with and are are handing your data over. 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:00.280 Yeah, because that's how they get quote unquote smarter through 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.120 a massive data data collection. 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.240 And so there's this thing where there is this kind 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:08.120 of baseline expectation here that everyone is fine with handing 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.440 over all of their data, all of their physical data, 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:15.360 all their biometrics, which I they're like, the utility is 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:18.000 undeniable of things that can diagnose that you need to 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:19.960 go to the to a doctor, or can at least 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:24.199 suggest the existence of problems combined with and we are 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:28.000 not at all interested in keeping that information secure. I 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:30.320 find the kind of casual and no one will because 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:31.960 I don't think people will. I think people will buy 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:34.959 these products and not think about who's getting access to 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:39.280 their biometric data. And I wish that people cared about that. 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.240 And we've seen that specifically be a problem like around 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:47.440 like pregnancy. Yeah, and with states restricting abortion and the 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:50.920 ways in which these companies are aware of people's bodies 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.440 even before the actual people are. 0:13:55.120 --> 0:14:07.720 Here's an AD break. All right, we're back from ADS. 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:10.760 So I went to Lenovo's booth. It was a bunch 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:14.920 of laptops. I use Lenovo laptops. They make good products. 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:17.920 It was every product there was either here is a 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:19.840 new update to the line of laptops we've been making 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:21.640 for thirty years. This is the latest one, this is 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.200 the latest think pad carbon, this is the latest you know, 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.560 idea pad or whatever. And then they had a couple 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:28.440 of like the big thing they were showing was the 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:31.600 Lenovo Twist, which is a laptop that has a screen 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.120 that can twist around and so it can lay flat 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:35.600 like a tablet, but it can also the thing that 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.680 we're really showing is that it's motorized and it has 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:40.800 AI enabled, so it can follow your face and you 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.920 can set it to track an individual's face and as 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.160 you move, it will move with you. Now, it has 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.000 two different modes. One of them is also you can 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:48.800 like gesture to it, or you can command it by 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.360 voice and you can say go into laptop mode, go 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:54.960 into tablet mode, turn left, turn right. That did not 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.040 work well about half the time in the demo that 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.160 I saw, it did not respond, maybe because the room 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.520 was loud, maybe because the data was bad. But then 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:05.560 he put it into face tracking mode and when you 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:07.760 have multiple faces, you can pick which face it tracks 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.480 and it swiveled to meet your face and it was 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.000 cool and it did work very well. That was like, 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:18.600 this is impressive, Like what is the use case? Why 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:20.640 would you want it? And he was like, well, say 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.800 you're doing a presentation, like you're a CEO or something 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.000 doing a presentation. This way the screen with your text 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:28.880 on it or the PowerPoint on it will follow you 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.920 as you move around. And I was like, that could 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.640 be useful. I don't feel like many people are in 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:38.080 that situation often. I've never been in that situation in 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.200 my life, and I speak in public for a living sometimes, 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.760 so I guess, yeah, there probably is a CEO who 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:46.760 would benefit for there's like five of those guys. Like 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:50.160 what is the there's a whole laptop product line. You 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:53.880 have multiple versions, and I didn't get a single reason 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.320 why you would want this other than that, other than 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:00.560 for presentations. And it's genuinely impressive that it can track 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:05.320 your face and move as you move. But why And 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.520 another product they had that was in the bolt y 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:11.280 category was the Lenovo Legion and this is not a 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.000 product that's ever going to come out, but it was 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:15.680 like a proof of concept. So it's their gaming laptop 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:19.160 line and it has a normal screen that can widen 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.840 to be three times as long and it unfolds. They 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:26.000 have screens that unfold, and it's cool that they could 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.520 do that, and it looked neat, and it's neat that 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.640 a screen has that capability. I don't want it because 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:33.720 it also it doesn't look I could see like obviously 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:35.560 I can see utility and like you can have a 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.560 screen that gets bigger without it being a bigger footprint 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.640 for the laptop. But when the screen is unfolded, there's huge, 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:47.160 like speed bump size, looking like wads of screen that 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.480 are bigger and like bulge out, and it doesn't look 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:52.640 good like it's a bad screen. 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:53.720 It's like a little like bubbly. 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.720 Yeah, when it's fully extended, it's not like a good screen. 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.200 You said, it's a proven concept piece, Like there's this thing. 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:01.920 I mean, like they're. 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.000 Showing that they've they're working on folding screen technology. 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:07.640 The Twist was was like a previous version of that. Yes, 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:10.600 the proof of concept called the Swivel was at CES 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.240 last year. Yes, and they improved it and now it's 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.280 a real product called the Twist. Right, and maybe this 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.960 could be the case for this like unrolling unfolding. 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:20.760 Eventually it will be. 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:24.240 In products, right, Yeah, But I also don't think I 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.680 don't see how you cannot have the bulge kind of 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:29.080 out and a girl to how the screen work. 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.040 The folding screens have come along way the past five years. 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:32.680 I used one. 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:36.399 Yeah, they also do have some pixels dying in the 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:37.040 fold area. 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:38.359 I mean yeah, if you're trying. 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.000 To buy products for longevity, probably not the thing for you. 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:43.239 If you like it for the novelty and for some 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:46.080 reason have enough cash to burn, then maybe it's something 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:47.119 someone will be interested in. 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.160 As I was watching an unfold, there were two guys 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.600 behind me and talking about it, and one of them 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:54.040 was like, yeah, it's not a real it's not going 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.080 to actually come out like that's even like the old 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:56.879 version of the chassis. 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.560 And I said, I just don't really see a use. 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:00.800 I don't think people. 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:04.359 Want a product like this, Like I'm looking at it, 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.520 the screen's not great, and I just don't see who's 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:08.159 gonna buy this. 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:10.520 And the guy behind. 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.600 Me said, well, I think like the the use case 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.520 is like billionaire CEOs and other people have a lot 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:15.840 of money. 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:17.400 And I looked at it. It was a Lenovo rep 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:17.880 and I was. 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.359 Like, hahh, that's not that's the use Why who are 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:22.240 like that's not? 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.480 Like did you just say that to me? 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:26.600 A Lenovo rep said that. 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.119 Yeah, yeah, he's one of the guys doing the demos. 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.520 He had a wild Lenovo badge on and I, yeah, 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:33.879 that was weird to me, that's wild. 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:35.720 But again, at least it was a thing. 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:37.879 No, it was it was a physical productcause the. 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:40.800 Other thing they had they had the workstation, which the 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:42.199 thing they were showing was there was an app on 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.200 it that looks at your face and said shows you 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.960 how fatigued you are by percent, and how fatigued your 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:50.439 eyes are, and like other data. And I was like, oh, 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:53.360 that's creepy and kind of impressive. But then I walked 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:54.879 away and I came back and it gave me a 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:57.520 totally different set of numbers for my fatigue. 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:58.440 Where you're differently fatigued. 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:01.080 No, I was a second leg and I did it 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.199 four times, and every time the set of numbers was 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:06.520 like different enough that the only assumption I can make 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:08.919 is that it was those aren't real numbers. It's just 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.760 generating a number and telling you that. And it's full 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:14.360 of shit because it wouldn't have been so different if 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:17.560 it was actually measuring anything. It's just random numbers that 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.000 it's putting on to make you think it's me measuring something. 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:21.520 It's probably trying to it. 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:25.600 There might be just subtle things that dramatically changed the numbers. 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:26.359 I tried. 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.320 I specifically once I noticed that tried to keep my 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:30.600 face flat, and I did notice when you move closer 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:33.680 and further it changes. But I think it's just programmed 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.080 to as you move, alter the numbers so that you 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.639 see the number moving but every time I came on 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:40.520 new it was a different number. It went from like 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:42.960 when I started was like point oh two, and the 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:44.840 second time I came back it was point five to ozho. 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:48.320 And again I did nothing. I was specifically keeping my 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.280 face neutral interest like it's just this, it's not a 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:52.080 big I think. 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:53.840 I think that type of stuff will will get better, 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:57.240 Like we've seen versions of that before that have actually 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.239 done like Okay, yeah, well there could be a lot 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:03.360 of factors into like into why why the demo goes 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:03.960 a certain way. 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:07.280 The face tracking and facial recognition were but I went 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:08.959 to this booth that like the big thing they were 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:11.560 doing was like uh, driving assistant robots that would like 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:13.560 yell at you if you fell asleep or if you 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.600 like looked away and were like texting or something. It 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:18.399 would say like look away from your phone, look at 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:22.920 the screen please. And there's definitely like utility there, right, 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:24.840 Like that is probably a good idea. 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.160 I mean we saw that last year at Samsung's section 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:30.359 of Eurka Park for like like test taking to make 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:33.560 sure students aren't cheating at tests, right, So it like 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:37.000 sends an alert every time the students' eyes goes away 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.240 from like the computer screen, like if they keep like 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:42.120 looking down like like under if they could be checking 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:43.080 like their phone or notes. 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:44.680 Smart Eye is the company. 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:47.400 One thing I did appreciate was that the little device 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:49.080 that they put in was just like a circle with 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.639 two eyes on it as opposed to like a whole dashboard. 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:54.320 So that seemed nice. But the thing, the thing that 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:56.280 they had, the first thing I used was this optical 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.640 recognition system where it learned my eyes and then when 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:00.359 I came on, it would give my name time I 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:02.399 walked up to it, and so like, yeah, it definitely 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:06.800 like recognizes at least your eyes. That's it could switch 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.600 between different people. But it was also it can tell 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:13.480 when you're drunk, they claim, And I couldn't tell that. 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:16.680 I couldn't. I was high on kratum and I had. 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:21.679 Smoked Delta aid, but so I was definitely not sober. 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:23.639 It didn't recognize me as not sober, so it couldn't 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:27.359 measure those things. Maybe it can tell if you're drunk. Yeah, demo, 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:29.280 it's it. They said it could. And they showed a 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:30.920 woman when she was sober and when she was drunk, 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:33.280 and they explained to me it was actually really difficult 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:34.919 because we did this on a close track and she 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:37.080 is really drunk and we had to jump through a 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:38.960 lot of hoops for them to let us have a 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:39.880 person drunk driving. 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:41.680 That's just And I did find that kind of funny. 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:43.600 You response that his how you test that would be 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:45.000 kind of a hard thing to test. Yeah, you can 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:46.479 test like simulations. 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:48.200 Right, but they wanted like this was supposed to be 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:50.720 a perfect concept in vehicle and it'll shut down the car. 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:53.240 I did have some people posting when I posted a 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:55.760 video of that that like, I have this condition with 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:57.639 my eyes or that condition with my eyes, and normal 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:00.720 optical recognition stuff doesn't work with me. Is this going 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:02.760 to show that I'm drunk or is it going to 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:04.760 like be able to And I actually don't know. Again, 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:06.320 I'm not I was not able to test the product 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:09.760 that that does seem like a concern. I would hope 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.360 they've dealt with. But also I kind of doubt they 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:15.800 did because usually there's gaps. 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:17.240 I mean, I can see a company like this partnering 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:19.520 with like an insurance company, yeah, or partnering with like 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:22.040 certain cars that would like, yeah, stop the car from 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:24.440 being able to be moved if it detects the driver 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:27.600 as drunk, yes, and how like false positives what play 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:29.200 into that? And then you just like are like locked 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:31.520 out of your car right because this robot thinks you're 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:33.639 intoxicated and actually you're fine. 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:34.600 You just like look like that. 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:37.000 And I could also see them like rolling this product 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:39.080 out and it hits like Thailand or something, and then 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:41.359 there being a big store where it's like they didn't 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:44.359 test this on any people of like Thaie ancestry, and 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:46.720 it actually sees all of them as drunk because of 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:48.639 like an error in the coding. Sure, and being like 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:52.440 oh great, like like I'm not again smart Eye. From 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:55.560 what I can tell, their technology worked, but in order 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:59.720 to adequately like review and test it, you do need 0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:01.840 you need more access to it than they're giving it 0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:03.840 the show. I can't actually tell you if it works 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:05.600 a determined when people are drunk. I can just show 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:07.280 you they had a video claiming it does. 0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:08.080 So. 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:13.080 One product that I feel at best mixed about I 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:17.040 first saw in the CS Innovation Awards section. This is 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:21.960 called Self Insight Therapy Resolve x R from South Korea. 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:24.160 Oh, one of my two favorite Koreas. By the way, 0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:25.439 just since we're talking Korea. 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:30.399 This is a VR therapy program that is supposed to 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:34.800 give give you a final goodbye with the deceased loved 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:38.480 one in VR. Yes, this was my initial reaction as well. 0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:41.399 And like I've seen version I've seen versions of this 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:45.440 before where it's like an LLLM or like an AI. Yeah, 0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:48.679 pretending to be your like dead wife that you like 0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:52.200 hug in VR, sure, and that type of stuff. I've 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:55.959 generally felt bad about some of the people who've used it, 0:23:56.000 --> 0:23:58.040 like in like you know, like the promotional videos are 0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:00.520 you know, crying, And I feel and like the product 0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:01.080 in a way. 0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:03.680 As a friend, I will promise you if that moment 0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:06.000 ever comes for you all pretend to be your dead wife. 0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:08.119 I don't even know what to say that I've. 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:14.960 But what I found interesting about Resolve XR is that 0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:18.239 the the avatar of your deceased loved one is not 0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:23.480 that the b is not actually an AI, nor is 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:28.399 it a fully pre recorded, like prescripted like simulation. It 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:31.879 is being puppeted by a therapist that you are working 0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:36.760 with as a part of the Gestalt empty Chair therapy technique. 0:24:36.880 --> 0:24:39.000 And this this is what the product is. So you're 0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:41.560 working with a therapist who is using text to speech, 0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:45.720 that is, talking as your deceased as your deceased loved 0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:48.320 one as a part of this therapy exercise, if you 0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:51.359 have if you have recordings of their voice, the AI 0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:53.359 will try to replicate their voice. That's something I feel 0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:55.840 a little bit odd about. But like that is like 0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:57.760 the one like aspect of like qute unquote AI that's 0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:00.000 being used here is for is for the voice clone. 0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:03.399 And then there's like a pre a prerecorded set of 0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:06.199 like gestures that someone does in like motion capture. But 0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:08.520 the actual like like live puppeting of this thing is 0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:10.800 done by a therapist that you were sitting across from. 0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:14.199 But you have you know the VR goggle song mm hm. 0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:16.880 And this is this is not supposed to be something 0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:18.960 that you do like routinely. It's not like, oh, I'm 0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:22.119 like I'm talking to my wife like my wife. 0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:22.240 Is in VR. 0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:25.280 It's this is a therapeutic exercise meant for people dealing 0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:28.360 with extreme grief, specifically when loved ones have been taken 0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:32.080 away during like like like accidents, like they specifically mentioned 0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:34.800 like a plane crash that happened a year ago. And 0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:36.760 so this is for people like an extreme extreme grief 0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:40.560 to give them like closure through this therapeutic exercise, and 0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:41.800 this is this is this is the this is the 0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:42.359 pam slet. 0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:46.159 I went through a lot of whiplash because obviously my 0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:48.960 first assumption was this is an evil product where you 0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:51.040 like feed your loved one's social media data and it 0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:53.600 pretends to be them, and it's not that, and it's 0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:55.520 good that it's not that, But then it's like a 0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:59.640 it's being basically a therapist puppeting your dead loved one. 0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:03.720 There's a couple of conclusions I have. First off, these 0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:07.119 people are trying to be ethical. It does seem it 0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:11.400 seems like they care, and they are attempting to provide 0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:14.600 something that is useful to people who are suffering. I 0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:18.119 also think this might fundamentally, this idea might be fundamentally 0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:20.240 unethical and impossible to do well. So I think this 0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:22.399 might be a case of someone trying to do the 0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:24.920 most ethical version of something that cannot be done ethically, 0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:27.680 which is a category of AI device that I've seen 0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:28.080 this year. 0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:32.359 It's tricky because on one hand, you know, as I 0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:36.119 was talking to the woman at the booth and reading 0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:39.240 through the materials they had, it seemed like they were 0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:43.159 selling this as this is just sort of augmentation to 0:26:43.280 --> 0:26:46.720 a therapeutic practice that has already done. Yeah, we're just 0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:50.159 putting a you know, a digitally generated face and voice 0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:53.719 to it. But it's so I mean, it's so easy 0:26:53.720 --> 0:27:00.000 to imagine just this company seems somewhat ethically focused. But yeah, 0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:03.640 all kinds of directions you could go in this. It's 0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:06.440 a Pandora's box, a little bit of like, yeah, where 0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:12.040 where we're starting to venture into creating replicas of the dead? Yeah, 0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:12.720 and that is. 0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:15.399 And I went to a panel kind of in the 0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:19.280 same tone on mental health and AI that I thought 0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:22.240 was going to be an opportunity for me to harass 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:25.200 an executive during a Q and A because which is 0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:27.480 which is one of your favorite the activity everything to 0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:31.200 do at CES and there literally is like AI. There's 0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:33.560 ample data that it is a disaster for mental health, 0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:35.600 not just AI psychosis, but there are a lot of 0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:38.080 things that it makes worse, and a lot of problems 0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:40.199 that it causes people and a lot of problems that 0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:42.880 it exacerbates, including like suicidal ideation. 0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:45.960 This is documented, there's data on it. So that's what 0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:46.280 I was. 0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:48.320 I was showing up prepared to do that, And what 0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:51.639 I actually got was an actual clinical therapist who was 0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:55.639 trying to talk about who first started by kind of 0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:59.399 by very much admitting the dangers with AI and the 0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:01.440 things that it harms in terms of mental health, and 0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:04.080 then was trying to say, what would a responsible and 0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:09.920 ethical like therapeutic AI do. And her argument was, we 0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:12.439 know how many people need therapy and don't have access 0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:14.640 to it, both in the United States and worldwide, and 0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:19.119 some sort of automated BOT system that handles aspects of 0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:22.800 therapy might be the only way to provide affordable therapy 0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:24.879 to the number of people who needed who can't currently 0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:29.560 afford it. And I disagree, or at least I don't 0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:32.240 think that. I don't disagree. It's accurate that there's way 0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:35.480 more people who need mental health than can afford it, right, 0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:40.280 that's undeniable, undebatable. I disagree that AI can help this 0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:42.440 problem in any meaningful way, and in fact, I think 0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:45.680 it will only make it worse. But I understand that 0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:47.920 she was coming at this from a I am attempting 0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:52.680 to define what a responsible, a therapeutic AI might do, 0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:55.720 and through the course of that I believe she is 0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:58.000 partially because I talked to her about this afterwards too. 0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:01.640 She thinks it might be possis, but is not convinced 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:03.920 that it is in fact possible for there to be 0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:09.800 an AI therapy system that is actually useful. And one 0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:12.720 of the things she brought up was that in traditional 0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:17.280 AI chatbots, the big ones are all programmed to gas 0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:19.479 you up in order to keep you using them, right, 0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:21.640 the program to make you want to continue to interact 0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:23.240 with them, and so it does things that are really 0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:25.680 bad for your mental health and that can exacerbate and 0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:28.440 cause new problems, right because of the way these are programmed. 0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:32.680 So any responsible AI therapy chatbot would have to not 0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:35.800 do that, which I'm like, that is true, that you 0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.520 can't be a useful therapy to tool that. 0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:40.920 Only praises people, right, that's just not a thing. 0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:43.080 But when I came to afterwards, I was like, my 0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:45.280 issue is I think you're right about that, but I 0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:49.560 also think if you're saying the AI therapy bot is 0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:51.520 going to be a separate product that does not do 0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:54.719 these things. Number one, it's a high bar to get 0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:57.120 people to pay money for a tool when they already 0:29:57.120 --> 0:29:59.640 have the chatbot. And number two, if the chatbot that 0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:02.080 is good for them, doesn't do the thing that makes 0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:05.480 it addictive, people will continue to use the addictive one 0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:08.640 for therapy. And she said, yeah, that's my worry too. 0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:11.440 And so I came away from being like, she's trying 0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:14.040 to explore if this can be done, and my conclusion, 0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:15.640 based on her exploration. 0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:15.680 Is it can't. 0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:19.040 But it's so interesting that she said that because she 0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:22.240 and this is I mean me hearing you talk about her, 0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:24.520 she sounds like the only person who is thinking about 0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:25.920 this at all. Yes, that's the convention. 0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:28.120 She was the only person on the panel. Yeah, of 0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:30.120 just it was a speech, not a panel. 0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:33.480 Really, Yeah, of thinking about that, what are the social 0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:36.840 relations behind these technologies, because of course that's the main question. 0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:37.080 Here. 0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:40.760 Is a technology that can generate that can have a 0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:44.440 conversation with you? Is one thing it's not that really 0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:46.040 doesn't seem like the war of the problem so much 0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:49.000 as will all the machines that are having conversations are 0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:52.920 driven by very specific incentives, you know, to interact with 0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:55.320 their users in a particular way that has everything to 0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:59.000 do with the social relationships of their production and use, 0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:04.560 and and the notion that technology would have any connection 0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:08.640 to social relations at all is completely absent from any 0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:11.040 discussion of any product I've seen here. 0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:17.560 Speaking of social relations between products and human beings, here's 0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:31.480 some ads. We're back and God, I really love those 0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:35.680 Chumba casino ads. They remind me that whenever I'm out 0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:38.360 in the world, sitting down with my loved ones, you know, 0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:42.680 watching the big Game, I could be gambling, and kind 0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:44.360 of every other moment of my life that I'm not 0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:45.440 gambling is wasted. 0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:48.600 Robert, have you heard of how She No? So you 0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:51.040 know about politics, right, I love politics, and you know 0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:53.400 about insider trading, right, I love insider te What if 0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:56.320 you could do insider trading about all of politics on 0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:58.800 the exclusive evasion that you will learn as a journalist. 0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:00.880 Wow, sounds legal. 0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:02.400 It shockingly is. 0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:07.719 There's actually zero federal or state regulation affecting this whatsoever. 0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:09.240 That's the CALCI guarantee. 0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:11.560 There is no regulatory mechanism that exists on a state 0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:13.120 level to regulate this behavior. 0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:14.880 Now years and you say that, but that's literally just 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:16.000 what's printed above their booth. 0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:21.280 Let's talk about maybe the worst product that I saw 0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:24.080 at CEES child Free trust. 0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:28.360 Boy, So, what is it like a software that lets 0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:29.120 you make a trust? 0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:35.440 This software was marketed towards child free people. They lead 0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:39.000 with twenty five percent of Americans don't have children and 0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:42.840 don't intend to have them, tell you, yeah, and so 0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:45.920 their idea is that they right here. Child Free Trust 0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:49.680 is the first comprehensive nationwide solution providing medical and financial 0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:53.840 poa executor and trustee representation for child free and permanently 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:57.920 childless people. So if you are childless and you don't 0:32:57.920 --> 0:33:02.960 want to burden your loved ones, that's their wording with 0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:06.040 you know, your estate plan when you die. Uh, this 0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:09.360 is a company that will do that for you. What's 0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:12.480 interesting though, is that I asked them, I said, well, look, 0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:16.240 you know this presumably already happens. What is in place? 0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:17.959 I have a trust in no children? 0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:21.840 Yes, yeah, well does state appoints someone to handle this. 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:25.120 They'll they will first see if that you have, if 0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:28.280 you have any loved ones who would want to take 0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:28.880 on these duties. 0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:30.800 And obviously people with that kids aren't capable of love. 0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:33.600 So yeah, yeah, they they a little bit I mean 0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:36.960 strangely like it. So it's it's an it's a product 0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:40.000 that is for we already have a public service that 0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:43.600 searches for people loved ones that could take on these responsibilities, 0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:45.640 and if it cannot find those, it takes it on 0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:48.160 as a as a public good. So it was it 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:51.200 was a product completely without purpose. It was like you, 0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:53.560 in order to use this, you just have to be 0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:57.520 intent on separating yourself from society in this way. You 0:33:57.560 --> 0:34:00.160 have no loved ones presumably or you don't want them 0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:03.320 involved in your estate planning. You also don't want the 0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:07.160 state involved, so it requires this third party company. It 0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:10.120 is just a very strange product the way they present it. 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.560 Well, I mean it's again, I have a trust and 0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:13.040 a will. 0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:16.600 If you don't have a kid, and you don't have 0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:18.960 like a you're not like married, or you don't have 0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:22.360 a surviving spouse, like, yes, the state will appoint somebody, 0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:25.080 but that process is slower and more expensive. If you 0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:26.920 want to avoid the cost, or if you want to 0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:29.480 avoid like, having a trust and a will is not 0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:31.640 an unreasonable thing, especially if you want to make sure 0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:33.239 if you have assets and you want to make sure 0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:35.520 they go a specific place, you want to donate them 0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:36.200 somewhere or whatever. 0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:39.040 Well, and like a lawyer can handle that, a lawyer. 0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:41.600 Should handle that is what I'm saying, is you shouldn't 0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:42.240 use an app. 0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:45.160 Specifically, what they do that the lawyer can't is they 0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:48.680 provide a service for the corporation to execute power of attorney. 0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:51.680 And that is the main thing. 0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:55.920 So this is the most anti social This is the 0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:57.880 most anti social service I've seen it all of ces 0:34:57.920 --> 0:34:59.520 because it's building this idea that if you have no 0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:02.120 kids and you are so separated from the rest of 0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:04.960 your family, like you don't trust any siblings, you don't 0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:07.640 trust a spouse, a partner maybe you don't have one, 0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:09.840 you don't trust parents, you don't even trust a friend 0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:14.520 to like do this for you. Instead that you turn 0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:17.600 to a company, a private company. You don't even trust 0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:19.920 the state, right because the state can handle this. It 0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:22.839 is a private corporation that it's going to handle your will, 0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:28.280 your estate and power of attorneys. And that that's what really, 0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:30.759 that's what really got me because I asked them, it's like, yeah, 0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:32.799 like a lawyer can handle all this, and like, well, no, 0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:36.040 regular lawyer can't be power of attorney. And I was like, oh, 0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:38.160 this is the core of your product actually is that 0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:40.719 it's it's for people who are so anti social, who 0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:42.919 have so separated themselves that they don't trust. 0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:46.560 They don't trust anyone with this. They don't have any 0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:48.799 loved ones. Really, it's not just about being child free. 0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:52.800 No, it's like it's about you do not exist in 0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:54.320 a social network whatsoever. 0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:56.000 Because I can see the kind of people who might 0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:58.920 need this are people or might want this, are not 0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:00.880 the people kind of people who do apps, because the 0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:04.120 actual the group of people who definitely don't have kids 0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:06.160 and also may not have any living friends are people 0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:08.640 who are incredibly elderly. But it's not even a factor 0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:10.319 of like their life is bleak that it's just you 0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:12.560 lived way too long. You literally don't have anyone left 0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:15.080 that you knew. But they're not going to use an app, 0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.600 like that's just not how they think about. If they 0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:20.759 don't have a lawyer, they'll let have the state handle it. 0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:23.120 But like they're not they're not going to download the 0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:25.560 child free app. That's one hundred and four year old 0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:29.520 okanawent woman to like handle this for them. There's like 0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:32.080 a graph on the bottom that here's like features and 0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:35.520 like which different versions have which features, And the three 0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:38.279 features are child free, trust, trust, and will and then 0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:41.239 free will as one word, but the w's capitalized. I 0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:43.520 just like seeing free well and then checks and exes 0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:45.400 at the bottom. You don't get free well on all 0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:48.320 of the options. Sorry, what is free will as a service? 0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:50.719 S Garrison? Are they saying the machine has it? Or 0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:53.400 is it literally a free will making service? It's I 0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:55.680 think I think it's creating a will and they're calling 0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:56.200 it free will. 0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:57.040 I think that's what I think. 0:36:57.040 --> 0:37:00.399 That's what they're doing. Okay, I mean, but yeah, right now. 0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:03.640 And this was in this was in Eureka part. 0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:07.480 Yeah, which is where the cool little products are. That's bad. 0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:09.240 Yeah, it was really bizarre. 0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:12.040 Yeah, there's a fun bit that you could do if 0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:13.320 you had the money to show up and just do 0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:16.400 bits at CEES where it's like this company can handle 0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:19.279 all of your end of life care and decisions and 0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:21.240 it's just a booth with a handgun on a table. 0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:24.560 So let's talk about to clothes. Let's just discuss like 0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:27.400 what this Cees kind of means in general. We already 0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:29.880 kind of discussed like the AI angle of this, and 0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:32.560 that's something that we've seen throughout this show, is these 0:37:32.640 --> 0:37:37.000 these massive banners hanging everywhere about how Cees is where. 0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:37.799 Innovators show up. 0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:41.000 Sure, yeah, absolutely, And and how everything's based around innovation 0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:44.080 and creativity, and this is where everything descends from. And 0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:47.120 this sort of like like tech idealism that the world 0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:51.560 is based around these concepts of innovation and creativity. And 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:55.600 they do not mention any any physical way that actually 0:37:55.600 --> 0:37:57.800 comes into the world or the sort of mechanisms of 0:37:57.840 --> 0:38:03.040 the world that allow innovation to take And then we've 0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:05.760 been talking a lot about this the past like two days. 0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:08.920 I mean, it's all we're solving all the problems of 0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:12.840 the world and we're fixing everything, and it's all eternal sunshine. 0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:17.319 And where that comes from is innovation and creativity. But 0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:20.879 those are just yeah, totally abstract quantities. There's not even 0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:24.680 a subject given of like innovators. Well, who who is that? 0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:26.440 Ye are the product you're innovating? 0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:29.879 Yeah, if you is that? The owner? Is that the 0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:32.560 workers who make it? I mean, no mention of labor 0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:34.440 at any point in any of this, which I mean 0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:35.319 that's a given, but. 0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:36.880 Well that's not true. They talked about all the labories 0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:37.239 you can. 0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:40.359 Replace, Yeah, all right, you can. We don't need them. 0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:43.719 It's the innovation is is drawn the full circle, it 0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:48.080 produces itself. Now, yeah, just this abstract quantum of I mean, 0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:50.319 it really is kind of interesting. It does become a 0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:54.440 blur of like who is the magical font producing all 0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:56.960 of this stuff? It almost it's sometimes it almost seems 0:38:56.960 --> 0:38:59.719 like it's the consumer. It's sort of suggesting is like 0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:03.800 it's actually you who creates all of this. It was 0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:05.120 very vague, very strange. 0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:05.680 Mm hmm. 0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:08.759 We went to that one panel about like trying to 0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:12.399 address underserved people who are who are like cut out 0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:14.960 of tech and like cut out of cut out of 0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:16.160 all of these industries. 0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:19.440 Yeah, I mean it was very nondescript about who exactly 0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:22.640 that was. Yeah, they had people talking for that are 0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:28.239 paralyzed veterans, someone from the NAACP, and I mean it 0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:32.000 was just one again, there was no actual discussion of 0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:35.320 the social relationships behind technology. It was just entirely about 0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:40.000 this technology is here, it is the first priority, so 0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:44.120 everything else has to follow after. And yeah, very very 0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:46.960 unclear about they They would all talk about what technology 0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:50.920 could be used for, but entirely nondescript about where that 0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:53.920 process comes from, who's making those decisions, where those centers 0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:54.600 of power are. 0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:57.920 The reach to have an for existing brands and companies 0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:00.960 that make real things to have an AI angle was 0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:04.279 the most obvious and tortured thing that I saw, And 0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:06.000 like one of my favorite booths every year is the 0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:09.239 Jackery booth. Jacquery makes batteries and solar panels, and they 0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:12.200 make pretty good batteries and solar panels for like expeditions 0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:14.200 for camping, like the rugged that they can and I 0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:14.600 use them. 0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:15.680 They're good products. 0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:18.000 And this year they had the new addition of all 0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:20.400 their batteries and the new edition of all their solar panels, 0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:23.439 and as generally happens with technology, everything's a little better 0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:26.120 than it was last year. But there's not much room 0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:29.239 for AI aside from like the batteries have AI, by 0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:32.080 which they mean there's like a learning algorithm that can 0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:35.160 determine like how to optimize aspects. 0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:36.200 Of like power draw or whatever. 0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:38.520 Like Sure, that's not really AI in the way that 0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:41.479 the AI industry means it, but I'm sure sounds real. 0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:44.520 But because that wasn't enough, they had this thing that 0:40:44.560 --> 0:40:47.040 they called their Mars rover, which was not a Mars rover. 0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:49.000 I don't think we'll ever go on Mars. Does not 0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:50.960 look like it could survive on Mars, but it is 0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:54.880 a rover that is a big battery on wheels that 0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:57.960 is intelligent and can drive itself and has solar panels 0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:00.680 that slide out, and the use case for this it 0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:03.040 will travel around and can go to where the sun 0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:05.000 is in order to charge itself up and then head 0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:07.080 to you to offer you outlets when you're doing work. 0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:11.360 And it's like, is a robot that moves? Really? I 0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:13.400 can see like two points in my life where I 0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:15.560 might have gotten used. Who's gonna buy this for? 0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:15.759 What? 0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:17.400 Where will it be deployed? 0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:21.200 It just roams around outside, this expensive machine that does 0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:23.000 not look like it should get rained on too much, 0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:26.560 and finds the sun to charge itself up and then 0:41:26.640 --> 0:41:29.080 heads over to you to charge device. It can't charge 0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:31.840 a home. It doesn't power a house. It's like a 0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:32.520 little robot. 0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:34.760 Is it really camping? 0:41:35.000 --> 0:41:36.600 I don't know. That was unclear. 0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:38.399 They showed it being used and they showed it as 0:41:38.440 --> 0:41:40.520 like I'm outside and using power tools. 0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:42.400 The robot came up to me so I could plug 0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:43.760 in and like, I guess. 0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:45.360 You could take like the park. You could take it 0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:45.960 to the park. 0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:46.960 But it's big. 0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:47.839 It is pretty big. 0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:51.520 It's like a sizeable machine. It probably weighed eighty pounds 0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:55.600 and again like, it's impressive that it can go seek 0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:58.360 out the sun to charge itself up. It's impressive that 0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:00.320 you could like call it or like call it with 0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:01.840 an app and it will come over to you. And 0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:05.000 there's an outlet. Who what is the Who will buy this? 0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:07.520 Why when that is not one? 0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:07.919 Again? 0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:11.120 I can think working in my yard, working out, you know, 0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:13.319 when I'm shearing the goats or whatever, I have had 0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:15.319 to carry a battery with me because there's not an 0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:18.759 outlet out there and the shears need a battery. And yeah, 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:20.960 I guess it would be easier if the robot moved there. 0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:24.160 But this has to be like twenty thousand dollars. I'm 0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:27.279 not gonna buy a robot to do that. I can 0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:30.120 just pick up a battery and walk with it one 0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:34.120 hundred feet. Who will use this? Why it's not going 0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:37.480 to Mars? I assure you it's not going to Mars. Again, 0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:39.759 I wouldn't want it to be left out in the rain. 0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:43.960 And I love the Jaggery products. They make good stuff. 0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:46.880 And the fact that like, yeah, you clearly scrambled to 0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:49.640 make this, that you had a thing that can compete 0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:52.360 with all the other AI things, And I wish you 0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:55.360 were just devoting your lifes to making better solar panels, 0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:56.920 which is what I want from you. 0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:02.960 Anyway, I'm just curious are the companies here. Are they profitable? 0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:04.319 Like do they? 0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:04.680 Yeah? 0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:06.759 I mean some of them, some of them, but a lot. 0:43:06.840 --> 0:43:09.279 I mean some of them are funded with VC money 0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:11.080 and have not made a profit. Some of them are 0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:13.399 funded from VC money and have been losing money for years. 0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:15.640 And then there's also like like Lenovo makes it's a company, 0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:17.640 it makes a profit. They make products people buy, you know, 0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:19.640 Jaggery makes products people buy. 0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:21.680 There's also a lot of startups like the Eureka Park 0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:24.239 section that we've been referring to, like the stuff in 0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:27.520 the bottom floor of the Venetian that there's you know, 0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:29.840 a lot of startup companies who are looking for investors 0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:30.319 as well. 0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:32.080 So yeah, it is definitely a mix. 0:43:32.160 --> 0:43:33.799 Some of them are trying to do like business business sales, 0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:35.400 some of them are more consumer facing, some of them 0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:38.239 are looking for investors. Some of them are profitable, and 0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:41.000 other ones are trying to boost their sacer price by 0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:42.080 being here, kind of like. 0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:44.520 Kloyd at LG. 0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:48.319 But I think what's really important is that everyone here 0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:50.560 is an innovator, and you know, why we know that 0:43:50.520 --> 0:43:53.320 they're an innovators because they've shown up and only innovators 0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:56.399 show up here and they're the real the driving force 0:43:56.440 --> 0:43:57.040 of the economy. 0:43:57.080 --> 0:43:59.279 And I was feeling bad about myself until I saw 0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:01.239 that band in realize that I am an innovator. 0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:03.280 You know you are an innovator. 0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:03.960 Thank you. 0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:06.360 I showed up and I figured out how to be 0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:09.280 the guy on the most kratim at the at the 0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:10.320 CEO show floor. 0:44:10.480 --> 0:44:12.080 No, I mean CS is so is so interesting to 0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:15.480 be innovated, Like it runs on both on this like 0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:20.520 technology idealism where everything is based on people geniuses. You know, 0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:23.319 your Steve Jobs having like an id Staates job, and 0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:26.480 he is the innovator and everything descends from the idea 0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:29.400 that is like the thing is like this like tech platonism, 0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:31.399 so like this is one side of it. You also 0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:34.120 have like the tech accelerationists at CES, where it's like 0:44:34.480 --> 0:44:38.400 they occupy this position of being so pro technology no 0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:42.400 matter whatever downsides is the current iteration might have because 0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:45.120 they need someone to hold that position in order for 0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:47.360 this thing to move forward. They know that there's concerns 0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:51.440 around data protection, but their opinion is that it doesn't 0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:55.240 matter there is problems there, but we we the people 0:44:55.239 --> 0:44:57.800 here at CES, the innovators, need to ignore them because 0:44:57.840 --> 0:45:00.200 we have to push forward. And this is like, this 0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:03.040 is what like the Austrian Secretary of State said that 0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:04.879 at that one panel I went to. It's like data 0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:07.080 protection is a problem, but in a but like it 0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:08.120 gets in the way of innovation. 0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:10.640 Yeah, and that's that's literally literally what he said. 0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:13.160 Yeah, and so you have you have this like this 0:45:13.160 --> 0:45:17.120 this like tech optimistic like acceleration like viewpoint of like 0:45:17.239 --> 0:45:19.560 technology will be better, but in order for it's to 0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:21.879 be better and safe. Essentially, it's it's it's gonna g's 0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:23.520 kind of shitty and has some problems now, but we 0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:25.600 need to push forward through that all the way, Like 0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:27.920 we can't, we can't, we can't go slowly. 0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:30.000 It has it has to go forward. 0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:33.000 So they adopt this this viewpoint because like they need 0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:36.160 someone to hold this like tech optimism viewpoint in order 0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:37.840 for the process to like unfold. 0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:41.360 Yeah, there's something strangely clear eyed about that in the 0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:43.680 way that it's like, yeah, if I mean, if you're 0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:48.239 limiting your view to the system of capitalism, yeah, the 0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:50.680 whole thing goes into crisis. If you are not squeezing 0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:53.560 a little more juice out of the orange. Uh And 0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:55.479 if this is what it takes to do that, then 0:45:55.680 --> 0:45:57.839 then full steam ahead. They're lucid about that. 0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:00.879 Yeah, yeah, you know what else is lucid us saying 0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:02.799 it's time to end this fucking podcast. 0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:07.680 Goodbye, another CES miracle. We have kind of survived. 0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:14.520 It Could Happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media. 0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:17.760 For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:21.399 Coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:23.480 Apple Podcasts, or wherever. 0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:24.520 You listen to podcasts. 0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:26.759 You can now find sources for It Could Happen here 0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:29.760 listed directly in episode descriptions. Thanks for listening.