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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale LOLLI he is the Matt Williamson and

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Speaker 3: this is the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network. And

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Speaker 3: as I promised to here, Matt, we're gonna get to

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Speaker 3: a little mock draft.

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Speaker 2: Okay, situation here.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna use the Pro Football Networks dot COM's mock

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Speaker 3: drafter today and we're down to twenty one here already.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's get some parameters though. Okay, I mean,

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Speaker 2: let's say I'm just gonna throw those out there. Let's

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Speaker 2: say they signed Russell Wilson, Okay, Darius Slayton. I'm not asking,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going huge. I mean I think they're gonna

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Speaker 2: do something at receiver, and that doesn't mean you can't

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Speaker 2: take one in round one. But he's somebody that would

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Speaker 2: be useful. And a Landon Roberts is back. Okay. That's

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Speaker 2: There's been better stuff than that come Draft Day. I'm

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Speaker 2: certain of it. But let's at least have something that

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Speaker 2: the roster eliminated a little bit of needs.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the top players available Malachi Starks, Luther Burden, Matthew Golden,

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Speaker 3: Derek Harmon, Nick Emori, Colston Loveland and Mecca Ekuba. Tyler Williams.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to forget about him because he's a

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Walter Nolan, I would love this saying those

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Speaker 2: Ohio State guys in the movie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know Walter Nolan still there, armand Membu, Kenneth Grant,

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Speaker 3: John A. Barron, Mike Green, Trey Amos, Xavier Watson. There's

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Speaker 3: a good group's still available there.

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Speaker 2: I think there's three directions to consider. There's three receivers,

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Speaker 2: but we did signed slave, so it's less of a

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Speaker 2: need right now. It's less of a need than corner

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Speaker 2: or nose or defensive line. Yeah. I like Grant, I

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Speaker 2: like Nolan. They're different, but either would make me happy

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Speaker 2: for different reasons.

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Speaker 3: But here's my feeling on that. Is it harder in

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Speaker 3: your opinion and knowing what you know about the stript,

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Speaker 3: is it harder to get the nose tackle?

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Speaker 2: No, it's hard to get the other guy. It's harder

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Speaker 2: to get the other guy, but it's less of a need,

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Speaker 2: But it's harder to get Yeah, and Benton has nos experience,

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Speaker 2: of course, and I just know how this league works.

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Speaker 2: You can find a thirty three year old fire plug

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Speaker 2: nose for fifteen snaps a game that never gets moved.

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Speaker 2: Those guys play forever, Pat Williams. You a million examples. Now,

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Speaker 2: a rock in the middle. It's hard to find the

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Speaker 2: Nolan's real hard, but the Texas corners out there, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think he's intriguing. I would go Nolan.

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Speaker 3: I think I think I'm leaning that way as well.

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Speaker 3: And it's not just Senior Bowl recency. Buy No, he's

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Speaker 3: a good player. He's a good player, and he'll fit

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Speaker 3: right in. I don't know if Williams from Ohio State's

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Speaker 2: Yeah it's thirty. Yeah, you know, I know he won't

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Speaker 3: Well, we do have some trade offers. Buffalo's on the phone,

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Speaker 3: they're picking at thirty. They want to offer us thirty

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Speaker 2: I have a problem with it.

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Speaker 3: Also on the phone is Indianapolis to move up one spot.

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Speaker 3: But all they want to give us is twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: Why the twenty two. It must have been a trade

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Speaker 2: Let's ignore that one. Then they move up one spot,

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Speaker 2: so kind that doesn't that right? Yeah? Yeah? Would you

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Speaker 2: least a corner. Now. I understand we don't have to

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Speaker 2: a really good guy to learn from. Cam.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna reject it, and we're taking Walter Nolan. I

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Speaker 2: Good. Would you consider a nose in the fifth round?

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Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't look like we we may have picked

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Speaker 3: Kenneth Grant, wow Omarion Hampton, Josh Connery, Dion Walker, Caleb Johnson, Jackson,

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Speaker 2: By the way, he's expected he was the Zebra champ. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So some good players here. We don't have any trade

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Speaker 3: offers at this point, which is surprising. The guy who

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm, I wish you would have been the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, he would be a good fit for.

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Speaker 3: Sure, looking at some of the receivers available here, where

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Speaker 3: So there's still some dudes there. That's not a huge

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really good group. I mean, Hampton's very appealing.

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Speaker 2: I think i'd take Grant. I know that's not nuts,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean on their board, he's the thirty

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Speaker 2: I mean he was my second choice for the first round.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't look look a gift horse in the mouth.

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Speaker 3: And then you're done at defense.

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Speaker 3: I mean you would hope, yeah, with Benton and those

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Speaker 3: Seeing and then in the second round they took Lamar Woodley.

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Speaker 2: Problem, right, I think we do it. Kenneth Granted is wow,

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Speaker 2: big guys, Big guys. Now you're done on d I mean,

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Speaker 2: corner is still in need. But I don't know that

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Speaker 2: three picks all on defense. The offense was far from

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Speaker 2: And I bet the chances of us doing an hour slimmer.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so we're up here at eighty three. We do

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Speaker 3: have the Chargers are on the phone. They want to

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Speaker 3: offer us eighty six and next year's fifth round pick

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Speaker 2: What's available though, Well, yeah, that's that's good.

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Speaker 3: That's the key to the whole thing. Here, omar Norman Lott.

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Speaker 2: Now we're done. There were Yeah, I like him. You

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Speaker 3: And maybe this changes. But azari A Thomas is there.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that seems a little unrealistic, but I would sign

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Speaker 3: You got Zion Alexander out of LSU, another cornerback, Schamar

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Speaker 3: an we can't do Sebastian Castro who has some slought

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Speaker 2: But wideouts are floating around or running back Kobe Bryant

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Speaker 3: Are you looking at Jalen Royals' that's nice. Yeah, Kiren

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Speaker 2: Jaylen Nowell there. I think you take one receiver. I

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Speaker 2: think you take Jack Back. I think yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: But betch I think fits the offense better.

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Speaker 2: I think cup Nkua that's his type of you know.

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Speaker 3: I think he I think he is a perfect comfort

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Speaker 3: for Poka Nkua. I think a lot of teams are

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Speaker 3: gonna look at it that way. After the senior bowler.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. I mean he had a really good

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Speaker 2: He might not. I don't really care. Jack betch It is. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he was awesome. Yeah, he's physical and I like the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, does all the stuff that you really want I

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's a he's a lot different

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say Drake London because I think

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Speaker 2: His game, a lot of physical throw his route and

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Speaker 2: Bigger guy. Yeah, all right, were's some day two receivers

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Speaker 2: that would be very helpful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we're up at one twenty two now.

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Speaker 3: Top guys available, Trey Weddig, offensive tackle from Indiana, ty Felton,

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Speaker 3: still there. Jared Wilson is center at of Jordan, Georgia

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Speaker 2: I like Kim. I just think that's a bit of

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Speaker 2: a luxury pick at this point. Yeah, let's take a

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Speaker 2: They got like Neil the best. Neil, Harvey and Gordon

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good receiver. Okay, we're cruising on along here.

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Speaker 3: Now we've got picked one sixty three coming up here,

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Speaker 2: Betting importer aren't cost you a lot of money. No,

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Speaker 2: You gotta start replacing those dudes, all right, So we

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Speaker 2: good stealer. He's a nickel, yeah, feisty gunner, small school screams.

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Speaker 3: One of another guy that's there is about Balalacone out

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Speaker 3: Let's look at the safety position, just real. Quicker Hunter

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Speaker 3: He's a good player, six one two seventeen, makes plays.

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Speaker 2: He's a good football player. Yeah, I don't know what

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Speaker 3: But I don't have a you know, you want to

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Speaker 2: He's one I know the most about and I like

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Speaker 3: Uh it's also offensive tackle is something.

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Speaker 2: That tight ends. Also a really really good deep position

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Speaker 3: I don't get the ideas they just ignore the tight end.

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Speaker 2: I mean Washington and Friarmuth combined for like fourteen hundred snaps.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: You got Jake bringing Stool from Clemson, the Hilire Jackson

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Speaker 2: I'd consider Hass. I would really consider Hass there. I

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Speaker 2: I mean you're moving bodies. Yeah, did you take him

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Speaker 3: Yeah, quarterback, you still have my cord there, URTIs, Curtis work,

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Speaker 2: I like all those guys. Well, we get three picks

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Speaker 3: But they're still showing with three seventh rounders here. But

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Speaker 3: I don't know that that's the case. Let's stay costs. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm fine with it, all right, he'll probably play the

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Speaker 2: I would think this point. I mean, if Washington gets

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Speaker 3: Now we're cruising here. We don't have a pick here

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Speaker 2: That would take a shot on any kind of defensive back,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you've you've actually used a bunch of picks

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Speaker 3: took three of them last year. Yeah, yea, Yeah, you

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Speaker 3: you're not going to have great depth everywhere. You're not

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Speaker 2: That doesn't happen, not gonna happen every year. Yeah, when

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Speaker 3: All right, we're up here at two twenty five. Quarterback

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Speaker 2: Oh, I would do that.

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Speaker 3: Just looking here at the defensive side of things. At cornerback,

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Speaker 2: Oh. I think I probably grab Stout or the other corner.

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Speaker 3: I think you take go cornerback or quarterback here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you's gotta get one. Here's another thing makes me crazy. Well,

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Speaker 2: first of all, so many twitter and comments are so

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Speaker 2: like a fifth round quarterback, we don't need another Mason Rudolph. Like, dude,

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Speaker 2: here's a third round pick on a lifetime backup. You

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Speaker 2: won you want. That's a good pick. He's still in

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Speaker 2: the league. The guys. Guy has played six years in

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Speaker 2: the league. I'm not saying he's gonna be Josh Allen,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean we need somebody to How are

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Speaker 2: That's not why I'm drafting him.

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Speaker 3: I'm not that's if that's your thinking, you're not gonna

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Speaker 2: Right right, there's four or five of them walking the planet. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's not the next rothels Perker, I know, but he

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Speaker 2: had backups too. He's the next Gradkowski. It's great, right,

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Speaker 3: Let me just check and see if our corners upton

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Speaker 3: Stout is still there at two thirty eight boom.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I'm cool with that. I bet he's a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. And then our final pick here at two

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Speaker 2: Up, and.

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Speaker 3: Well, who's the best available? You get Patrick Jenkins at

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Speaker 3: West, a defensive tackle from Indiana, So.

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Speaker 2: I take him in mid rounds a lot. He's a nose,

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's a pure can't do that. But I

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Speaker 2: I don't hate it. Neither one's really a returner, but

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Speaker 3: Salvion Jones, he had rusher out of LSU. Donovan Edwards

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Speaker 2: He's more of the returner. He could be your return guy.

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Speaker 2: I mean I would have a much higher grade on Martinez,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, Darius Alexander is still there too, and that's

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Speaker 2: Would if you're gonna give you a second round player

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Speaker 2: just real quick.

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Speaker 3: At the wide receivers still available, anybody that jumps out here.

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Speaker 3: But two Virginia Tech kids weren't bad. Yeah, how about

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I think that's not gonna stuppen.

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Speaker 2: But I just took him. Yeah, it's fine, that'd be great. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: How like if we use their mock drafter again next week.

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Speaker 3: I saw I saw him at the Senior Bowl. So

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Speaker 3: we ended up in our Mack draft with Walter Nolan

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Speaker 3: defensive tackle at of woll Miss, Kenneth Grant, defensive tackle

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Speaker 3: out of Michigan. Jack Betch, the wide receiver at a TCU,

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Speaker 3: Devin Neil running back out of Kansas, Jackson Hass tight

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Speaker 3: end out of Georgia Tech, Tyler Schoff quarterback out of Louisville,

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Speaker 3: up In Stout the cornerback out of Western Kentucky, and

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Speaker 3: Carson Vincent the offensive tackle out of Alabama, A and M.

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Speaker 2: We took like six guys that were at the senior ball.

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Speaker 3: I knew recency bias there with us, but still I

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Speaker 3: knew he would Grant, we knew pretty well coming in anyways,

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Speaker 3: and he was a guy that was invited.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, I like it. I know it's a little

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Speaker 2: redundant at the top, but you can find a running back,

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Speaker 2: you can find a receiver. I mean, if you rebuild

444
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Speaker 2: a D line in a draft, that's it goes a

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Speaker 2: long way for five years, you know, eight years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just got a lot younger there, and a

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Speaker 3: lot more athletic.

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Speaker 2: With you know, Cam the teachings dudes. Yeah, Now the

449
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Speaker 2: time you only have that for so much, lie right,

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Speaker 2: you only have a year or two of that guidance,

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Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, so you get to build upon that

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Speaker 2: and keep a strength of strength. Yeah, I'm for it,

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Speaker 2: even improve on that strength.

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Speaker 3: The big problem the problem with with their defensive line

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Speaker 3: right now is what happens is what happens when Cam

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Speaker 3: isn't on the field.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean Benton's a good player, but he's

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Speaker 2: not that guy. Yeah, and in this case, maybe Yogan job,

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Speaker 2: he's not back, and I give that money to somewhere

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Speaker 2: else or make a trade for other position, right.

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Speaker 3: A starting cornerback with Hey, we get an actually ten

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Speaker 3: million dollars, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly. Let's go get somebody to open up some

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Speaker 2: more resources by doing something like that.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, but let's get to a break. He is the

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Speaker 3: Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive.

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Speaker 3: You're on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and I will

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Speaker 3: be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williams on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 3: He is the Matt Williamson and Matt Little coaching news

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Speaker 3: here happening with the Steelers at Aaron Curry joining the

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Speaker 3: st Jets as their linebackers coaches contract was up with

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Speaker 3: the Steelers. Had been with the team in the last

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Speaker 3: two years, so we know that they'll have at least

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Speaker 3: a new inside linebackers coach. And this is this narrative

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Speaker 3: that has begun that the Steelers don't have enough coaches.

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Speaker 2: And that's why it's weird to me that all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, that's the thread that people are pulling on.

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Speaker 3: All of a sudden, certain members of the media have

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Speaker 3: started to bang on that. And here's it got to

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Speaker 3: the point on Monday at the Art Rouney press conference

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Speaker 3: that one of the reporters there just went on to

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Speaker 3: the team website and counted the number of guys they

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Speaker 3: list under their on their on.

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Speaker 2: Their website in terms of assistant d back coach or.

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Speaker 3: Well just in terms of the guys who are listed

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Speaker 3: as the primary coaches. We only have you only have

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Speaker 3: you know, twenty of them I think it is, or

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Speaker 3: whatever it was. They have more than that mm hmm,

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Speaker 3: because there are guys like Ryan Chazier not listed on

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Speaker 3: the coaching staff.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know who's listed, that's why, but quite

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Speaker 2: about it, he worked all season as a coach. Same thing,

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Speaker 2: same thing, Williams. Yeah, they have twenty seven people on staff.

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Speaker 2: They're football people, they are football people work with videos

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Speaker 2: on the field, guy line in the field or any

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Speaker 2: of that kind of stuff, right, okay, which is some

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Speaker 2: of the titles and stuff people don't understand either, ye

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Speaker 2: you know, like you they're not all just gonna be

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Speaker 2: called linebacker coach, running back coach.

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Speaker 3: Well, like your strength and conditioning coach is a coach?

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why.

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Speaker 3: It says strength and conditioning.

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Speaker 2: Coach, right, right, right, right, And everybody has one, of course,

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Speaker 2: or several, but yeah, several. Yeah, those people are coaches.

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Speaker 2: You know that. They are foot ball people too, right,

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Speaker 2: They're not just bodybuilders, yeah right.

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Speaker 3: Right, you got guys who okay, they do football training

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Speaker 3: and they're there on the field and they're you know.

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Speaker 2: Trying to make them faster, strong, their burst, blah blah.

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Speaker 3: Blah, right, all that stuff, And tell me what's the

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Speaker 3: right number? What?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 3: What is the magic number that how many they're supposed

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Speaker 3: to have?

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Speaker 2: Because I don't know, you know, I mean everyone asks

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Speaker 2: us do they have too few coaches? Or why they

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Speaker 2: so cheap? Or am like if they if they were

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Speaker 2: to beat the Ravens, this would never have come up.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not sure two more coaches helps you beat

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Speaker 2: the Ravens, you know what I mean, Like or if

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Speaker 2: you would have one beat the Chiefs on Christmas or

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Speaker 2: just one thing different at the end, it wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be pulling on this thread over and over and over,

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Speaker 2: you know, like it's just the newest thing. The no

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Speaker 2: one ever changes, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: Again, people start the narrative, you know, and then and

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Speaker 3: then it becomes it just grows because everybody's angry right now.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's just angry right now, exactly it? You know, do

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Speaker 2: they have by far the fewest coaches in the league. No, No,

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Speaker 2: you know, right, Like when I was with the Browns

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Speaker 2: and for much of our lifetime, the Bengals really didn't

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Speaker 2: have scouts in three right, and that was something to criticize,

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Speaker 2: to not have a scouting staff. Like much of the

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Speaker 2: year they didn't do hardly anything. And I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: if this is exactly true, but I mean I've heard

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Speaker 2: crazy stuff like in the eighties they would just buy

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Speaker 2: like a Street and Smith guide and that would be

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Speaker 2: half their draft prep.

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Speaker 3: I know for a fact, when Marvin Lewis took over there, right,

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Speaker 3: their weight room was as big as the room that

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Speaker 3: we're in right now.

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Speaker 2: Right, it would be hard for the three of us

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Speaker 2: to work out. That was one of the things that

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Speaker 2: he's like, No, we got up, we got to improve

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Speaker 2: our weight room.

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Speaker 3: We get and we need more scouts and yeah, you

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Speaker 3: know he went out and hired John Cooper, the Ohio

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Speaker 3: state coach.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's not the case here. It's not like, boy,

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Speaker 2: they have ten fewer coaches than the thirty first team.

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Speaker 3: So Tennessee Titans picking number one overall, they have thirty

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Speaker 3: one coaches. The Cleveland Browns were picking number two.

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Speaker 2: I bet they have a time. They have thirty one coaches,

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Speaker 2: okay listed on their website. Yeah, so.

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Speaker 3: More coaches does not mean better, right.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the Chiefs have. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what the Eagles have. I didn't go through account.

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Speaker 3: Baltimore has a lot if they also consider like some

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Speaker 3: of their analytics people, that's say, as part of their

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Speaker 3: coaching staff. Yeah, they have some math people basically that

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Speaker 3: they call part of the football staff.

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Speaker 2: Which they sort of are. And from what I understand,

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Speaker 2: like on game day some of them are you should

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Speaker 2: go forward here on fourth coach. Okay, thanks, We're not

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Speaker 2: going to know what you know, but if you listen

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Speaker 2: to them or not, right, But that's their job. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, okay, I mean I understand that angle and

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Speaker 2: a lot of them are working on special projects behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes or whatever and not coaching people or players.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: I mean a lot of those guys aren't coaching anyone,

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Speaker 2: but they have input. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's it's, honestly to me, a kind of

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Speaker 3: a false just like the narrative that's out there that

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Speaker 3: the Steelers, for example, with Curry, Okay, he's been here

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Speaker 3: in the last two years.

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Speaker 2: His contract was up.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, the Steelers weren't offering him another contract or the

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Speaker 3: Jets offered him more. My guess is that the Steelers

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Speaker 3: were they were gonna we're gonna move on here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and again I'm not saying he got fired, but

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Speaker 2: he didn't get resigned. He didn't get brought back, right, right.

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Speaker 3: But part of that, well, the Steelers only get rid

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Speaker 3: of guys when they're when their contract's up. They just

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Speaker 3: fired their offensive coordinator last year in season season, something

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Speaker 3: they had never done before. But they never do anything

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Speaker 3: any differently than what they've ever done in the last

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Speaker 3: in the last and.

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Speaker 2: These guys contracts come up all the time. They're all

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Speaker 2: signing two year deals.

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Speaker 3: One of the narratives the Steelers don't do anything different,

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Speaker 3: they're they're stuck in the eighties or stuck back in

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Speaker 3: the seventies. In the last five or six years, they've

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Speaker 3: traded a number one overall pick for a player. They

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Speaker 3: hadn't done that since the sixties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they've traded up in the draft twice in the

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Speaker 3: first round. They did that twice in the entire first

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Speaker 3: twenty eight years. Been in Troy, right Hampton, they trained

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Speaker 3: backwards from backwards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Troy was.

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Speaker 3: The only ones they came up to get. They've been

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Speaker 3: much more active in free agency.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was about to say too. They're definitely

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Speaker 2: more apt to spend. Yeah, I think we talked about

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Speaker 2: earlier in the week. I mean the first week of

611
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Speaker 2: free agency. We really didn't have to do our All

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Speaker 2: you had to do. All you had to talk about

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Speaker 2: was the guys who were leaving. Yeah, yeah, well they

614
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Speaker 2: lost this guy, they lost this guy, not like, oh,

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Speaker 2: they were, you know, bringing in more than they're losing.

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Speaker 3: So this this this narrative, this false narrative that they're

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Speaker 3: they're just doing things the way that they've always done

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Speaker 3: it because that's how they do it.

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Speaker 2: It is. It's ridiculous. And I know that a lot

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Speaker 2: of folks in the organization have been there a long time.

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Speaker 3: Great, but even that, they've changed over the coaching staff

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Speaker 3: in a major fashion. If if you look at their

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Speaker 3: coaching staff, the number of guys who have been there

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Speaker 3: or I mean Danny Smith, the one who's been there long,

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Speaker 3: he's been there twelve years. It's not Dick Hoak who's

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Speaker 3: been there, who's spent his entire Yeah, right, yeah, right, right.

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Speaker 3: Well I was going to say they have a new

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Speaker 3: GM too, by the way, right, I mean that's two

629
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Speaker 3: years ago they swapped out GMS.

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Speaker 2: That's new.

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Speaker 3: The scouting staff is all pretty much new, it is.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of newness here that you know.

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Speaker 2: The guys who don't see on game day are very new.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And the coaching staff is you know, has been

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Speaker 3: turned over.

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Speaker 2: And there a new linebacker coach. I wouldn't be shocked

637
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Speaker 2: if there's another assistant coach change or two. You know,

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Speaker 2: I think that could be in the mix too.

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Speaker 3: So you know, again, they don't just run it back

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Speaker 3: that's the other thing. Well, they're just going to run

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Speaker 3: back what they had last year. Well, first of all,

642
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Speaker 3: that's not gonna happen because your your roster turns over

643
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Speaker 3: about forty percent every year, So you're not bringing back

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Speaker 3: the same team that you had last year.

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Speaker 2: No, you don't have any quarterbacks under contract. That room's

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Speaker 2: going to look different. Yeah, I can promise you that

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Speaker 2: it's not gonna be those same three, No, no doubt

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Speaker 2: about it.

649
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 3: No.

650
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: Right, any new offensive coordinators here? Two? You know, right?

651
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: I mean, so there's a lot, there was a lot

652
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: new this year. Just because the head coach doesn't change ever,

653
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: I mean, really doesn't mean there's a lot of moving

654
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: parts in the organization.

655
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, you change every year, You try different things, you

656
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 3: do things differently than what you did ten years ago.

657
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: They definitely do that. For people to say that they

658
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 3: don't you haven't been paying attention.

659
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 2: From what I understand, and I don't know this exactly

660
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: or the details of it. Their method of scouting is

661
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: much different too, you know, how they how they fill

662
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: out their reports, how they you know, address all that stuff.

663
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: It's not the same way as when they were looking

664
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: at Tim Worley.

665
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: No, right, oh yeah, yeah, I mean it's so everything changes.

666
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: They're not just running back the same team. They're not

667
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: just this isn't the seventies.

668
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: No, No, it's going to be changed. It's impossible to

669
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: do that. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's.

670
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 3: Twenty plus players, twenty plus new players on your roster

671
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 3: every single year.

672
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: I mean, just look at the O line. I mean,

673
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: how much it's changed in two years or what? Yeah,

674
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: I mean really since Omar showed up. I mean it's

675
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: like all new starters.

676
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 3: Think about the you know after this season, the line

677
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: that played that lined up in front of Ben Roethlisberger

678
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: m hm in his final season, which was not that

679
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 3: long ago. No, no, he's gone.

680
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: Oh totally gone.

681
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, when Dan Moore leaves him free agency, that line

682
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 3: is gone all over all four all five guys.

683
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: All five guys, all new starters, not even not even

684
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: just the starting five, but like zero to be a backup.

685
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: So that's not that long ago. Yeah, there's been a

686
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: lot of change.

687
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 3: Yes, Cam Hayward's still here. Yes, Chris Boswell Steer. That's

688
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 3: a good thing, though, folks. Those guys are good.

689
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: I want Watt, Minka, Boz Cam to be here for

690
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: a long time. Yeah, right, but the things around them change.

691
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: I mean, if if Atanu turns into a star, I

692
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: want him to be here for twelve years, right, I

693
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: mean the Frasier you know, those type of guys. That's

694
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: the point order. These young guys want them. I don't

695
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: need them to be out the door in five years. Yeah.

696
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 3: So, you know, I just think there's just a they're

697
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: just good. They're just doing this. Nothing changes there. They

698
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 3: don't do anything differently. That's just not the case at all.

699
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: It doesn't chase chase with any team, No, every team.

700
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: Uh. The Ravens cornerback I'm Humphrey.

701
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 3: Humphrey said after when they got done playing that, hey,

702
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 3: we're going this team's not gonna look anything like next

703
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: year's team.

704
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 2: Right right, right. I did a deep dive on the

705
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: Bills today. You know, how can they get over the hump? Well,

706
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: they're gonna lose more than they gain. They don't have

707
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: a lot of caps. Base talked about some of the

708
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 2: free agents, the Chiefs offense, they're gonna they're gonna do right, right, right,

709
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 2: I mean they don't Tyree kill anymore. I mean foundational dudes.

710
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 2: Is the window closing on the niners is a big conversation.

711
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 2: I've been, haven't later, Well, I don't know, but it's

712
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: gonna look a lot different as Trent Williams to be back,

713
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: because Debo gonna be back. They got two defensive backs

714
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 2: that are gonna leave. No, it's not gonna look the same.

715
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: It's gonna be.

716
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 3: Hard, Yeah, harve hard. It's always hard, and you change

717
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 3: every year. Just because some of the faces are the

718
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 3: same and in the face at the top is the same, right,

719
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 3: that's the thing, doesn't mean that they haven't changed anything.

720
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, there's been three coaches in my lifetime.

721
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 2: That's rare. I mean we all know that. That doesn't

722
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: mean that they're ninety percent of the organization is the

723
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: exact same over and over and over.

724
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 3: Right, it's just not anyways, let's get to another break.

725
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly.

726
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 3: You're listening to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt,

727
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 3: and now we'll be back to finish up the show

728
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 3: right after.

729
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: This at least is the Drive with Dale Lolly and

730
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: Matt Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of

731
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: the Black and Gold Cast in Steelers Nation.

732
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 2: Radio. Welcome back.

733
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 3: I'm Dale Lolli. He is the Matt Williamson and this

734
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 3: is the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network. And of

735
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 3: course you can hear the Drive here on these very

736
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 3: airwaves every Monday through Friday from four to six pm.

737
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 3: And also download the Steelers Mobile app and I get

738
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 3: the show downloaded directly to your phone right there and

739
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 3: wherever else you get your podcasts, and usually you can

740
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 3: watch on YouTube. We didn't do the YouTube this week

741
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 3: because of the Senior Bowl and all. We'll be back

742
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 3: on YouTube next week.

743
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, next week. We're five days a week, you know,

744
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 2: YouTube back to normal, right.

745
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Just some news and notes from around the league.

746
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 3: Matt justin Tucker doesn't look great in a little hot water.

747
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 3: And the conspiracy theory theoryist theorist in me wonders about

748
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: the timing of all this stuff. This is stuff that

749
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 3: happened almost ten years ago. Oh, I didn't look at

750
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: the details. I thought this was all new stuff. No,

751
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 3: this was all These are all the allegations on Tucker

752
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 3: doing bad stuff with you know, a different massage with

753
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 3: different massuses.

754
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: All came from his rookie year to like twenty sixteen. Oh, Okay.

755
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 2: I guess I didn't click and read okay and something.

756
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 3: The Ravens are a team or a franchise that are

757
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 3: very mediasavvy.

758
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: Oh I know that, like supposedly more so than all

759
00:36:58,719 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: thirty one teams.

760
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 3: And I just wonder in the back of my mind,

761
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 3: I saw all this stuff Draka, like he had his

762
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 3: worst year. He's thirty five, and they might want to

763
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: move on from him.

764
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: We speculate all year before we do any of this allegations.

765
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: And now all of a sudden this becomes a hot topic.

766
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

767
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 3: There were even tweets about something similar to this from

768
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 3: four or five years ago that he was banned from

769
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: different massage messuses and things of that nature, and nobody

770
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 3: ever did anything with it. Now, all of a sudden

771
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: it becomes a hot topic when they might want to

772
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 3: move on from him. Yeah, And they don't want to

773
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 3: just cut him and say, oh, well, yeah, we just

774
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 3: cut a Hall of Fame, potential Hall of Famer.

775
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: All time grade type of guy. Right. I Mean something

776
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: I've said all year, not knowing any of this stuff,

777
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: was this is going to be a big decision for them,

778
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: and a hard one because you can't trot out a

779
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 2: seventy percent kicker or whatever it was in today's NFL.

780
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: I don't care what your last name is, you know,

781
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. But he's also a legend there, and

782
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: he's going to be in their Ring of Honor and

783
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 2: maybe the Hall of Fame and et cetera, et cetera.

784
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: But he's also not cheap, you know, he's not a

785
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: league minimum guy. He's probably the most expensive kicker, if

786
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: not the top three or whatever. Yeah, and he's old,

787
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, it is his physical ability slipping.

788
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: And something I've said throughout the year was, I bet

789
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: they have a why don't you quote walk away from

790
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: the game conversation, you know, because you might end up

791
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: in Houston, Chicago, whatever and not end well, you know,

792
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 2: and this might make that easier. This might make that easier. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

793
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,959
Speaker 3: It's just when all that happened and I started looking

794
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 3: into the details and everything, I'm like, this is something.

795
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 3: These are allegations from like ten years ago.

796
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. I told you.

797
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 3: You can't tell me that the Ravens didn't know that

798
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 3: the allegations were or had no inkling that any of

799
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 3: this was out there, and immediately.

800
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: Might be innocent. We don't know any of this stuff.

801
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: Immediately, as soon as the story came out on a

802
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 3: paper that I've never even outline, I've never even heard of.

803
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 3: As soon as it came out, Tucker had this written

804
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 3: statement that came out immediately.

805
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: No, really, there might be more churning behind the scenes there.

806
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: Then it just makes me wonder about that a little bit.

807
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: I wonder what more we'll find out over the weekend

808
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: or the next week or two, or is he gonna

809
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 2: be a raven next year? I'd lean towards no, he's

810
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: not gonna be a raven in week five. You know. Yeah,

811
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 2: well the league may step in and say he's not

812
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: going to be a raven.

813
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 3: This could be a de Shaun Watson type situation, like

814
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 3: you're at least it's very least suspended for.

815
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: And maybe more comes out. I don't know.

816
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, concussions down interesting, and you know, you can look

817
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 3: at I think he said the lowest rate of concussions.

818
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: In much lower. It's like seventeen percent less than last

819
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 2: year and the lowest I think it's been since they've

820
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: tracked that really paid attention, right, And the two things

821
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: that they cited just kind of click on the ESPN

822
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: article were the guardian caps and the kickoff rule. Yeah,

823
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 2: you know, and I also think people have learned defensive

824
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: backs aren't leading with their heads that you can't You.

825
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 3: Don't see that as much. You know, in no doubt

826
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 3: when it does happen, there's flags.

827
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, find players are just oh, they're tackling different. Yeah,

828
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: and they're not giving away as many they're not hitting

829
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: people in the head nearly as much either. Yeah, you've

830
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: got a question about that.

831
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Speaker 3: You watch a game from fifteen years ago, oh man,

832
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 3: and then watch one now. It's much much different.

833
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: And fifteen years is a good time frame because a

834
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: lot of these dudes have been playing. They're inter in

835
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 2: the league draft. Guys were talking about I've been playing

836
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 2: for ten to fifteen years and they only know this way.

837
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: You know. Whenever these rules were changed, I was so

838
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: bad for the James Harrison's and guys that you got

839
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 2: to totally change your style of play because we're changing

840
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: the rules today midst They changed them in the middle

841
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: of a season. No, No, that was nuts too, which, Hey,

842
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: player safety is great. I mean, I'm all for it,

843
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: but they also talk either both sides their mouth with

844
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: player safety three and eleven. It's not player safety. No, no,

845
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: I don't know if you noticed. I did read that

846
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: article and way at the bottom there was just one

847
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: little bullet point. They called zero hip drop tackles this year.

848
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 3: I know they find people, they find people after the

849
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 3: fact for them.

850
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was the big point of emphasis.

851
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: And you know, but again, so it's one of those

852
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 3: things that the officials on the field.

853
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: Maybe they're just not looking for it, and then you

854
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 2: got to be able to to.

855
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 3: Tell me what it is, yeah, and then tell me

856
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: to do it at full speed in the middle of

857
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 3: a game.

858
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: I remember that was the argument when they were gonna

859
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 2: put this record.

860
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 3: That's that's how Chris Goblin got his ankle dislocated. Oh,

861
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 3: Okayon Smith got fined for that. Okay, it was an

862
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 3: obvious hip drop tackle. He tackled him and slid down

863
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 3: and it wasn't called in the game, but he did

864
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 3: get fine for it.

865
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 2: Okay. But yeah, I mean, I don't know if the

866
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 2: NFL tell the refs. I mean, if you're not sure,

867
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: don't and we'll get it later.

868
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 3: It's one of those fine, it's not like the horse caller,

869
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 3: no tackle, you can see the horse call.

870
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: Okay, he grabbed him by the back, and the way

871
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: the player, yeah, you know, lurches back or whatever too.

872
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: It's pretty obvious. But it's you know, that was shocked

873
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: there was zero calls. Is it legal to do that

874
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 2: from the side?

875
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 3: Is it only illegal if you slide if you come

876
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 3: around you're tackle them from behind and you slide down

877
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: the legs and the leg gets trapped underneath the I

878
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: don't know.

879
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 2: I don't know. I was just shocked that there was

880
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: zero and I wanted to bring it up because I

881
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: thought it was. Man, that's interesting topic.

882
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 3: It wasn't because guys didn't do it, and as we're

883
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: fine for it during the course.

884
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: Of the Yeah, yeah, and I'm sure Tampa like in

885
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: that instance and probably many others around the league. How

886
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: about fifteen yards of that too, right, Yeah, not only

887
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 2: you hurt my guy, but you know, how about fifteen yards.

888
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: It's like the face mask penalties and things of that nature.

889
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 3: And we'll get more into that as we get to

890
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 3: the owner's meetings and they start talking about rule changes.

891
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 3: But that's one of the things that has been brought

892
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 3: up is maybe we'll make you know, face mask calls

893
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 3: is something that's reviewable.

894
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 2: I think they should be, but you miss an obvious one.

895
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: Almost any call to me should be reviewable. I mean,

896
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 2: especially now with people chiming in like this, you know

897
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: from New York or wherever they do it from. If

898
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: you miss a call, get it right.

899
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 3: My only problem with the with the New York reviews

900
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: in time reviews like when it happens, you should have

901
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 3: to tell describe what happens. Like we saw a lot

902
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 3: of instances this year when the ball was respotted and

903
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 3: they didn't even tell you.

904
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: They didn't you know, you guys in the press box

905
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: didn't know.

906
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: We didn't know in the press box. The coaches on

907
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: the field don't know.

908
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

909
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 3: So you go from an issue where it's okay, it's

910
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 3: it's it's third and inches here, and then they moved

911
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 3: the ball back a yard and now third you know,

912
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 3: a yard and a half. Well, it's a different play call.

913
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, play clock.

914
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 3: Still, we were going to run a quarterback sneak here

915
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 3: because we thought we only needed six inches. Now we

916
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 3: need a yard and a half.

917
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: I wanted to get eleven personnel in or whatever too. Yeah, No,

918
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: that was weird. That does need ironed out, and I

919
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: know a lot of people don't seem to like the

920
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 2: I forget what they call it, the replay stuff that

921
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: they just chime in. I think it's a good thing.

922
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it has its I just think it needs.

923
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 3: To have more It needs to be cleaner, but it

924
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 3: needs you need to have more transparency with it.

925
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're going to do it. Be transparent on

926
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 2: the scoreboard, we moved whatever. Let the whole planet now.

927
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, just make a quick announcement and move on. I

928
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 3: understand they don't want the games to drag out any longer.

929
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 3: But if you're going to do it, those people in

930
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: the stadium are the ones. They're the paying customers that

931
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 3: came in just to see. They don't know what's going on.

932
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 3: They're not listening to the TV broadcast. Explain to them, what, hey,

933
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 3: we just moved the ball back, you know. And sometimes

934
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: they do and sometimes they don't.

935
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say, maybe I'm wrong, but just off

936
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 2: the top of my head, it doesn't seem like there's

937
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: those long replays where they're under the hood for I mean,

938
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: length the game I don't think is an issue anymore.

939
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 2: I think they've done a good job with that one.

940
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: Thing we didn't get the chance to talk about Matt

941
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: Is from the AFC Championship game, the spotting of the

942
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: ball on the Josh Allen, Yeah, sneak. The guy coming

943
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 3: in across the field on the on the right side,

944
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 3: on the right side of the offensive was at the spot.

945
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: The guy coming in from the left side was not. Yeah,

946
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 3: and Allen's a little different angle. Alan kind of got

947
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: up and tossed the ball to the guy coming in

948
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 3: from the left and that's where they spotted the ball at.

949
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

950
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 3: And you know in that massive humanity replace, you know,

951
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 3: they went to replay assist on that and they there

952
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: was enough change. Those guys had two different spots.

953
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. Are we getting that's a bit of a yeah.

954
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: Are we getting to the point now where there should

955
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 2: be a chip in the ball that for ten years?

956
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 3: I mean, someone smarter than the technology is there the

957
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 3: other some of the other leagues use it.

958
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. It still makes me crazy that two guys

959
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 2: with a ten yard chain come running out like goose

960
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: and you put yours down there and I, oh, let's

961
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 2: get the index card out. I mean that sounds like

962
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty to me. Now.

963
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 3: What they can't and I've heard people say once they

964
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 3: go to the laser, you know stuff, there has to

965
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 3: be some technology you can't. I don't know that you

966
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 3: might do that because you have to you got so

967
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 3: many people on the sidelines, and the sidelines are part

968
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: of the game to set up your lasers. Like you

969
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 3: think about the way your garage door works. Yeah, yeah,

970
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 3: your garage door sensor.

971
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 2: That's a laser. Yeah.

972
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well it gets kicked out of the way pretty easily.

973
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 3: Like if you bump to the garage door thing and

974
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 3: it's now it's offline and it won't close. Yeah, Like

975
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 3: you got a bunch of people on the sidelines that

976
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: has to be up in the air. But you can

977
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 3: put a chip technology in place.

978
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: I don't think you and I need to figure out

979
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: the technology of it all. I'm right, But they do.

980
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 2: They have the stuff for players that they you know

981
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: they oh, like what's going on the Seenea Bowl now

982
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. I'm sure they could

983
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 2: do this a different way like in baseball, do they?

984
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: I mean they know the strike zone right, like through

985
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: technology they're using at the minor league level with okay technology,

986
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: it's not coming around.

987
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of perfect, But yeah, I just think

988
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 3: there's got to be some some way to do that better.

989
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: The fact that the chain gang still exists makes me crazy.

990
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: I mean that just is like, come on, man, two

991
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 2: old dudes that run out with their sticks, and I'm like,

992
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 2: this can't be the best of Broach, like you said,

993
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: And there's thousands of pounds of humanity and one guy's

994
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: like the ball goes here here? Yeah, right, And three

995
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: inches might be the difference in going to the Super

996
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 2: Bowl your seas right, right? Yeah, absolutely, that's far from perfect.

997
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree, But we'll see if that gets

998
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 2: brought up. And it's that time of the year where

999
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: all this stuff starts to come to a head and yeah, yeah,

1000
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: competition committe will get together and that kind of stuff too.

1001
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 2: Next week we'll have a Super Bowl. Yeah, I'm not

1002
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: super excited about it. I'm not yet, but this is

1003
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 2: always Senior Bowl week for me too. Like, I haven't

1004
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 2: even started thinking about the matchups. I mean, obviously I

1005
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: know play in but you know, I feel like we

1006
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 2: just saw this on a couple of years. Yeah, it's

1007
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: a little redundant, ye know. I was kind of hoping

1008
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: for Bill's Lions whenever Steels got knocked out. But yeah,

1009
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: we've seen these guys quite a bit too much. Yeah, yeah,

1010
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: but I mean Chiefs are definitely redundant.

1011
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say this. The Philadelphia Eagles lost five

1012
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: of their last games last year. Yeah, and got smoked

1013
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 3: in the playoffs thirty two to nine, and bounced back miserable, awful, awful,

1014
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 3: and bounce back and made the Super Bowl this year.

1015
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: Into their credit, look at the guys that went. I'm

1016
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: got everyone knows Saquon obviously, you got Beck then turned

1017
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: him into rejuvenated his career. He got a high end guard.

1018
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: You got Dean, who was not expensive, not to Kobe.

1019
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 2: Dean Bond, bond is running mate, rejuvenated his career. He

1020
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: was used poorly. And you hit on your first two

1021
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 2: draft picks. Yeah, I mean personnel wise, boom. I mean

1022
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: you had a great offseason at a really good hit rate.

1023
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 2: It's not insane, No, it can happen.

1024
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 3: But anyways, that is going to do it for our

1025
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Speaker 3: show today. So for my partner Matt Williamson, for Justin

1026
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 3: Miller here on site making sure we get out there

1027
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Speaker 3: on the air. I am Dale, Lolly, We thank you

1028
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Speaker 3: for listening to this edition of the Drive on the

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Speaker 3: Steelers Audio Network.