Speaker 1: Trapp Trapp really like you never heard.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome Walker, Welcome to another excited episode of the
Speaker 2: Trapped Nerds podcast. We got incredible episode for you guys today.
Speaker 2: Joined us later two of the creators of the Illuminati
Speaker 2: couple book series coming out very very soon, Dennis Coward
Speaker 2: and Axel Alamson was gonna be joining us. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be talking about the couple books. We'll be talking about
Speaker 2: Moleston Media, We're talking about Marble, all types of stuff.
Speaker 2: So coming up later, stay tuned. But first Great House Week.
Speaker 3: And I've been chilling work.
Speaker 1: I mean, so before I stopped, I was I'm still on.
Speaker 3: The store Wars the Old Republic.
Speaker 1: But apparently the dude so like when I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm still streaming and when uh, they basically said, while
Speaker 1: I'm in right now, I'm damnar at the end of
Speaker 1: the main store.
Speaker 3: So now I'm just gonna be on the expense. It's
Speaker 3: been like hell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, I'm just really waiting on Sparkling zero to
Speaker 1: drop on PlayStation.
Speaker 4: And I've seen a lot of people excited. Chris Parkings oil.
Speaker 1: We were going back to the trenches. It's been a
Speaker 1: wind had a Zeno versus straight but it went Buddha Cado,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, let's peak dragon Box.
Speaker 3: I don't know who.
Speaker 1: They had over the fight mechanics and just all of
Speaker 1: the logistics. Nigga, we're on point type ship that's bringing
Speaker 1: back the mash mechanic uh where you know.
Speaker 4: People give themselves early arthritis.
Speaker 2: Hey, if I died died, They had the same thing
Speaker 2: on nether Storm Narto Storm two. I think the mas mechanics.
Speaker 2: I hated it so much, hated it so much. Any
Speaker 2: game to do that crazy, But I think.
Speaker 1: We now I gotta get that new Maria Party two
Speaker 1: because that bitch on line with like thirty it's like
Speaker 1: twenty and thirty people. I saw this ship turn. They're
Speaker 1: gonna take so long. Boy, you'll be waiting twenty minutes.
Speaker 3: For your turn. Worth to sit there, trash bu have.
Speaker 1: But because the ship I didn't realize with switch, because
Speaker 1: you know, the voice chat on this suck. You gotta
Speaker 1: do it off your phone the actual win which never
Speaker 1: made sense to me. No, it's like an AMP where
Speaker 1: you could just use a voice chat.
Speaker 3: It's like send the link to everybody that got the help.
Speaker 1: When when you could just use discord like a normal
Speaker 1: fucking person.
Speaker 3: So it's like Nigga running in on discord.
Speaker 1: Oh that'd be nice, but I don't waiting on knit
Speaker 1: and I really just been chilling, leaning, live and work.
Speaker 3: I got all the puss from my truck. I just
Speaker 3: got to get them putty in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, buddy, bud, gotcha.
Speaker 5: I started a new series this week, Black sales. Wait, man,
Speaker 5: you just down started black just not starting black sales?
Speaker 4: Yeah, never seen.
Speaker 2: It's lit this day. I got some message. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be back. It's gonna be like I got. So that's
Speaker 2: a pirate ship yep. Yeah, damn, I call it Sunded.
Speaker 2: Got all those powers that you know names from in there,
Speaker 2: all all the history.
Speaker 3: Starting with mister Tea Black Beerary itself. You got all
Speaker 3: of them in there. Bro, Okay, what is all net?
Speaker 3: It was?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was from Stars.
Speaker 3: Though, but yeah, from I've seen when the first came
Speaker 3: out of Stars years ago. So that ship been out yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's nice. Is it only four seasons? Yeah?
Speaker 4: So they have okay, yeah, so they do have all
Speaker 4: the seasons.
Speaker 3: And it wraps up in a nice bowl. Tony. You
Speaker 3: don't have to worry about no, thank.
Speaker 1: You, because I kind of recalled here and it got canceled.
Speaker 5: So I'm glad that they wrapped it up nice. Okay,
Speaker 5: and uh, what I started? What's I started this week?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: From I started from? How far did you get? We're
Speaker 3: on this?
Speaker 4: We finished the second episode? Okay, so they are. They
Speaker 4: were in the r V, you know, and got out.
Speaker 3: They had put the town inside the crash r V
Speaker 3: and stuff. It was good, Bro, that was good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. It is really good. Like I kind
Speaker 4: of knew it would be, but I was surprised.
Speaker 3: How hard the time would you have accepting that you
Speaker 3: couldn't leave.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't like just getting stuck
Speaker 1: in that roundabout for like probably about three times, you know,
Speaker 1: I'd go around three times like be like, okay, well
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Something's wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah it is. It is really good, man.
Speaker 1: I'm glad I started it. I need to get back
Speaker 1: into Vikings. But I made the mistake of starting that
Speaker 1: with someone have to wait for them? Yeah, that's Haiti,
Speaker 1: so much stuff, Eli, how you week start?
Speaker 2: Finished Season one of Old Man? The Old Man or
Speaker 2: FXX has some heat, Bro. They show Yeah, they got
Speaker 2: Jeff Bridges starting Jeff Bridges. I still don't understand what
Speaker 2: he said. But man, that show is so good.
Speaker 3: That's where Jeff Bridges be drawn permanently. Bro. But this
Speaker 3: show is so good. Bro. It's about an ex operative
Speaker 3: who's over in Afghanistan.
Speaker 2: So it got like real history of about Afghanistan and
Speaker 2: how we sent money and guns and stuff to Afghanistan
Speaker 2: so they can fight the rush back in the day.
Speaker 3: And then we started missing Afghanistan and made the same
Speaker 3: mistake of Rush. Did it's all it's all it's all
Speaker 3: the same stuff.
Speaker 2: But yes, it's by him, uh, years later, years later
Speaker 2: and tell the story of like what happened back then
Speaker 2: while he's back in America. And then they they try
Speaker 2: to capture him or kill him because the dude in
Speaker 2: Afghanistan wants them, and you know, you start to find
Speaker 2: out why and all that stuff and all the history
Speaker 2: behind it, his wife and all that stuff. It's really
Speaker 2: it's really good, man. I'm on season two, episode two now.
Speaker 2: I started to watch that. Uh, you go watch it
Speaker 2: on you watch it on Hulu. Yeah, just just type
Speaker 2: it in the old man, it'll come up. I started
Speaker 2: Twilight of the Gods.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Zack Snyder's new project on Netflix. Uh, it's an animated
Speaker 2: show biking stuff, biking folklore. It's all missing. It is really,
Speaker 2: it's the first US so really good man. You will
Speaker 2: see some meat though. It's like the Blue Sumurai. They
Speaker 2: don't care about nudity. They have set out and everything.
Speaker 3: Time equality, they got it, they got everything out, man,
Speaker 3: so really kept my attention. Crazy.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so far, I'm just getting into it. All
Speaker 2: those happening yet Agatha all alone. From what I've seen
Speaker 2: so far, I'm with, Yeah, these first four episodes is
Speaker 2: being so far three episodes. It's three, yeah, three because
Speaker 2: they dropped two at the same time. Okay, three episodes
Speaker 2: so far as it's good so far, I can't believe it.
Speaker 3: This is plus actually, this something is actually actually entertaining
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 1: I didn't with low expectations, but it's yeah, it's there actually, Okay.
Speaker 3: So I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm wait. I'm waiting a little
Speaker 3: longer to make sure you don't get bored. And you
Speaker 3: know this is plus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll fall off, it'll fall off, So I gotta
Speaker 2: I gotta wait. I gotta wait because the only Star
Speaker 2: Wars showder I've seen that they fall off on. This
Speaker 2: was that's all else.
Speaker 3: That was all that was.
Speaker 2: Mildly entertained about the manaloriate finished lawyer, yeah.
Speaker 5: Thing you.
Speaker 3: No, but manlord is not really my thing.
Speaker 2: I finished, And because yeah to Drake, when I tell you, bro,
Speaker 2: what did you think about it?
Speaker 3: It was nice. I can't even be mad. I like
Speaker 3: to the diplomatic ship going on. It's actually actually was
Speaker 3: lost dark. It was kind of dark. Okay, you can
Speaker 3: tell whoever was behind that politics uh uh nerves either.
Speaker 1: And they read the books because they kept they actually
Speaker 1: did keep ship kind of actor. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: smart y'all got some smart writers day. You just got
Speaker 1: to get the niggas a chance.
Speaker 2: I love you, George Lucas, but it was third grade dialogue,
Speaker 2: like George Lucas like doing. It was actually good interested
Speaker 2: I said.
Speaker 3: They they was using the book like the book dialogue.
Speaker 2: Niggas not wrong with George dialogue, yes, man, come on, man,
Speaker 2: just be honest. That's why he walked away from the bullshit.
Speaker 2: Because you're talking ship all y'all do.
Speaker 3: I love the word he built, but that dialogue, oh
Speaker 3: now makes me just kind of be like I miss
Speaker 3: him a little bit every time I hear over boy,
Speaker 3: every time I hear I hate saying, I'm like, nah, George,
Speaker 3: come on, you thought about thought about everywhere? Thought about that, George.
Speaker 3: Come on, man. When I see George, like George, come
Speaker 3: on man, what you thinking? Man? Come on man, I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't not do it good because a dialogue to
Speaker 3: but that's good and nice. I'm talking about Star Wars
Speaker 3: in general. It was simple. It's fun, which is simple.
Speaker 3: It's good you.
Speaker 2: And the dialogue is good. It's actually interesting. Is it's
Speaker 2: Challe challenging all the other stuff. It's tragic.
Speaker 1: They try to It's like when you try to be
Speaker 1: smarter than George Lucas, but you try to you overshoot it.
Speaker 3: Dumb, that's what. That's what. That's what. That's where it's
Speaker 3: in the ship.
Speaker 2: Because like at like dialogue, that's that's that's something. The
Speaker 2: worst dialogue I have seen in my life.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm just being honest.
Speaker 1: Nobody can just don't work at times because he made
Speaker 1: it so simple. When you try to over over explain
Speaker 1: simple ship, it just don't work. Random space, you know
Speaker 1: how they got the live factors Star Trek the way
Speaker 1: I mean, there's only live action.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think they need to do Captain Janway so like
Speaker 3: a love movie. Yeah, just movie. Yeah, but like Star
Speaker 3: Trek you know ye, I don't know. The story is different.
Speaker 3: I don't know where to spit. Why who who? Who
Speaker 3: is the audience for this because.
Speaker 2: The reason why, the reason why reason watching was the ship.
Speaker 2: But it works because they were lost in space. Like
Speaker 2: like that's if you just don't have a movie lost
Speaker 2: in space, I'm not interested in. But that's what made
Speaker 2: the show interesting. But no, wasn't lost in space. So
Speaker 2: that may bore sense and all that stuff. But by
Speaker 2: just more show, if you know, if you understand, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about. By like a show, that's
Speaker 2: what borges like a show, that's what.
Speaker 3: Is happen They how uh great come the shows.
Speaker 2: Shout to everybody, stand ups the great show uh and
Speaker 2: shout everybody showed up. The big laugh from the club
Speaker 2: closed the show out. I think it was a crowd,
Speaker 2: had a really the time. It was my first time
Speaker 2: performing forward, so times everybody they came through.
Speaker 3: I've still been on baking bad Uh loving it.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: I just got to the scene where uh, Gustavo goes
Speaker 2: to Mexico and just kills the my boss that killed
Speaker 2: his homeboy, like back in the day they said there
Speaker 2: yelling at him.
Speaker 3: He's like done, Amelius, dad, you have no one to
Speaker 3: protect anymore.
Speaker 2: Leave and take everything with you. If not, fight me
Speaker 2: and died. I was like, yes, bitch, this is a
Speaker 2: good ass actor. I was also hot, but it was
Speaker 2: basically I really like I did.
Speaker 3: I mean, did you see Rebel Rids? Never heard of them.
Speaker 3: I ain't looked at the Rebel Rids? Boy is there
Speaker 3: like some cowboys ship some Netflix? No? Netflix? That movie
Speaker 3: that that was all. It's really it's a good movie,
Speaker 3: kind of in the Internet, kind of back oh, the
Speaker 3: one What to Do with the Nose, the one with
Speaker 3: the light skinned black dude who they might try to say, Mike, find.
Speaker 1: The police and ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's so. Is it worth it?
Speaker 1: Yep, it's worth Okay, it's worth Rebelredge Netflix. I didn't
Speaker 1: see it because I kept seeing previews.
Speaker 3: Finished. It's a nice seven seven and a half drink
Speaker 3: good rewatch it? Check it out. Did you did you
Speaker 3: watch the last recent episode of Ghost Uh, the one
Speaker 3: that just came out. I ain't watching it.
Speaker 2: Watch I've been watching The Old Man still I like
Speaker 2: the good nigga gets hiss bens racist white people. Yep, country,
Speaker 2: that's what it is.
Speaker 1: It started with walk Remember Walking Tall, one of my
Speaker 1: favorite rock when when he got.
Speaker 3: The two by four he was actually he was actually
Speaker 3: trying to prove something in the business when he was
Speaker 3: trying to be an actor for real. Okay, because I'm
Speaker 3: glad you because that's one of my favorite rock.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: I never said anything about just saying.
Speaker 1: No, that's what he was actually trying to be. He
Speaker 1: was still the same nigga he was. He was trying
Speaker 1: to be different people.
Speaker 3: That is what I was about saying. The Rundown bro
Speaker 3: them were my two and faster. I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not a big fan of the Rundown, but I
Speaker 3: like walking through. I'm trying to.
Speaker 1: He had one mode faster, not faster. I liked faster,
Speaker 1: but it was one more. He randomly did.
Speaker 3: What the scor I like the Scorpi.
Speaker 1: I can watch the Scorpion king down and laughed my
Speaker 1: way through that ship and it's just a good it's
Speaker 1: a good childish time.
Speaker 3: Okay. I like Edge of Tomorrow and nobody likes that movie.
Speaker 3: So it's on Netflix right now, okay, is that the
Speaker 3: Tom Cruise movie. Yeah, I don't have no problem with
Speaker 3: Edge Tomorrow.
Speaker 7: It's not a lot of a lot of critics hate
Speaker 7: that movie. It's like that was that the one we
Speaker 7: had everything, Yeah and recept Okay, I had no problem.
Speaker 7: Like it's act was entertained by that movie. It's like
Speaker 7: one of the time Cruise me and movies I like.
Speaker 3: I like that movie on Netflix right now, you see
Speaker 3: it's one of his I did try to watch Jack
Speaker 3: Riacher the Tom Cruise.
Speaker 4: Get.
Speaker 3: It's kind of hard to watch after watching the net
Speaker 3: the Yeah you see real Jack Reacher. Yeah, you tell me,
Speaker 3: come on, that's not the same. It's not the same.
Speaker 3: I don't have the same prisons at all.
Speaker 2: That old boy who played Hawk, I mean, yeah, hero good.
Speaker 3: Jack uh huh. They said what's his name was supposed
Speaker 3: to play it, but they couldn't get him. Then they
Speaker 3: got tough. I forget who and the dude they said
Speaker 3: it was it was almost a perfect man uh Worth
Speaker 3: Christ Chris.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they said they wanted to get him
Speaker 2: for a new movie to play Jack Reacher. I like
Speaker 2: his Netflix movie better.
Speaker 3: I'm glad when he was Yeah, I got I'm going
Speaker 3: back and watch that tonight. That was cold. Bro. Did
Speaker 3: we give that a Yeah, we gave that. Yep, that's awful.
Speaker 3: One week, you know, just TV watching. Let's bring our
Speaker 3: people into the interviews.
Speaker 2: All right, gotta go to a quick break, but when
Speaker 2: we come back, we'll be talking Illuminati with Axel Alonso
Speaker 2: and Dennis Cowen after this.
Speaker 3: And we are back today. We got special guesses in.
Speaker 2: We're talking to two legends and comics legendsday were artists
Speaker 2: and MILESNG co founder Dennis Cowen and former Marvel editor
Speaker 2: in chief Axo Alonso, who is founder and chief creative
Speaker 2: officer of a DBA Studio.
Speaker 3: They've teamed up.
Speaker 2: With charlemagnea God and created the Illuminati, Not the Illuminati.
Speaker 2: The comic book Illuminati, a brand new story where hip
Speaker 2: hop and comics collide. Illuminati is one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: eight page supernatural filter available now on Kickstarter. Set into
Speaker 2: la music scene, the story delves deep into the price
Speaker 2: of fame and one of the most enduring urban legends
Speaker 2: of our time, the Black Illuminati. Charlemagne and Awa have
Speaker 2: attracted some of the greatest and most influential Black talents
Speaker 2: together to create the original story, cover art and hip
Speaker 2: hop homage art. The team includes the Claiyon Ryder and
Speaker 2: filmmaker Brian erwhill Ink Pot Award winning artists and producer,
Speaker 2: Dennis Cowen and Isisler Hall of Fame artist Bill Sequinz,
Speaker 2: with cover art by Isasler and Ringo Award winning artists
Speaker 2: Sam for Green. On top of this, unique variant covers
Speaker 2: were created to honor five the greatest and most influential
Speaker 2: hip hop albums, personally selected and curated by Charlemagne himself
Speaker 2: and celebrating the groundbreaking album art of each record. The
Speaker 2: Illuminati Kickstarter campaign runs through Tuesday, October twenty second. Found
Speaker 2: out more on Kickstarter. The leak is in the show notes.
Speaker 2: Check them out.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 2: Let's get to the interview at Sol and Dennis. How
Speaker 2: you guys doing. Everybody's doing great? Okay, Like I said,
Speaker 2: it's great to have you guys there, especially I mean
Speaker 2: Dennis Cowen. We just said this before the start, before
Speaker 2: it started your Molestone media. Uh So, basically was just
Speaker 2: asked like, how was the process with the come a
Speaker 2: book and the creation today everything, and what are y'all
Speaker 2: looking forward to seeing as has been released and everything.
Speaker 3: I'm a chief.
Speaker 8: Creative officer of the of the the publisher A w
Speaker 8: A Studios, and we were talking with Charlottage and the
Speaker 8: God who is interested in promoting and supporting black creators
Speaker 8: in the comic book space. He's a big fan of
Speaker 8: comic books and he wanted to get behind him promote
Speaker 8: worthy projects. And I said, I've got a pitch in
Speaker 8: from Brian Brian Edward Hill called Illuminati, which is amazing.
Speaker 8: It's dealing with the most kind of enduring urban legends
Speaker 8: of our day, the block Iliminnati. You want to read it?
Speaker 8: He said, for sure, you read it. You loved the pitch.
Speaker 8: He was in automatically, you want to get behind the project.
Speaker 8: I called up Dennis. I said, I've got this amazing project.
Speaker 8: I love you to get on board.
Speaker 3: What do you think?
Speaker 8: He read the pitch and loved it as well. So
Speaker 8: I had my creative team at that point. And then
Speaker 8: Dennis brought in Bill, his longtime collaborator an Inker, to
Speaker 8: come in as her inker.
Speaker 3: So we had our team.
Speaker 8: Brian is a writer, Dennis as a penciler, and Bill
Speaker 8: is the inker. It's an amazing story. It's about a
Speaker 8: young woman who travels to Los Angeles after the mysterious
Speaker 8: death of her sister, who's a rising hip hop star.
Speaker 8: She the woman does not believe her sister died from suicide,
Speaker 8: so she looks into what happened and she uncovers a
Speaker 8: really really, really corrupt, deep conspiracy buried in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: So it was like a Hollywood mystery murder mystery kind
Speaker 3: of thing, going, yeah, it's pull from the headlines.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 8: Again we announced the project that they did. He was arrested,
Speaker 8: which is kind.
Speaker 6: Of we didn't do that anything, and that does not
Speaker 6: do with that. That did not prove the existence of
Speaker 6: a luminati at all. That thereic coincidence is that happened.
Speaker 6: So we just accept those things.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: The ax Axel called me my my former boss at Marvel,
Speaker 6: so when he was running Marvel, I used to do
Speaker 6: stuff for him whenever he'd ask, of course, as my guys.
Speaker 6: When he called and pitched me this thing, he didn't
Speaker 6: even he started telling me, oh, yeah, it's a project
Speaker 6: from from Brian Edward Hill and we really want you
Speaker 6: to do it.
Speaker 3: And at the time he said it's called Black Illuminati,
Speaker 3: and I said, I'm in.
Speaker 6: I think I hesitated because It was one of those
Speaker 6: things where I heard the title and I'm like, I
Speaker 6: don't know what this is or whatever it is.
Speaker 3: I just need to be involved. I just need to
Speaker 3: do it. Did it did from you know? He had
Speaker 3: me from Hello.
Speaker 6: So after I actually read the thing, I really actually
Speaker 6: did commit to doing it, and I called Bill and
Speaker 6: I thought it would be a great project. You know,
Speaker 6: Axel wanted Bill from the beginning, and we always we
Speaker 6: always loved working with Bill. He's one of my best
Speaker 6: friends and a great collaborator with me. So when I
Speaker 6: called him, all I said to him was hey, Black Illuminati.
Speaker 3: And he said I'm in just like So that's really
Speaker 3: how it happened. Was that easy?
Speaker 2: Speaking about the r style? Is where the information or
Speaker 2: did the inspiration for the art style come from? Where
Speaker 2: did all get that from?
Speaker 3: Well, it's my style. Yeah, I was going to say
Speaker 3: it's like his style, right, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 6: Just how I It's just how I draw. I tried
Speaker 6: to adjust my style to whatever subject matter is at hand.
Speaker 6: You know, storytelling is a little different. Subject matter is different.
Speaker 6: This is dealing with the supernatural and horror and you
Speaker 6: know La at Night. So yeah, the noir, Yeah, you
Speaker 6: just adjust your art a little bit for that. But
Speaker 6: my style is my style was like I changed advatically
Speaker 6: for this.
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is not a superhero book. This is a
Speaker 8: This is a mystery, a supernatural mystery thriller.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: So there's no big muscles in it, there's no no
Speaker 3: no people flying around. You know. It's really is like
Speaker 3: real ground didn't greedy, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Really really grounded in reality as much as dealing with Illuminati.
Speaker 3: So because I'm just looking at a couple of pictures, like, so.
Speaker 2: Both of y'all did you've been You have your affiliation
Speaker 2: with d C Company Ax, you have affiliations with Marvel.
Speaker 3: But I gotta ask y'all, which one is your favorite?
Speaker 3: Marvel of DC?
Speaker 8: Oh God, you asked him to pick a favorite child,
Speaker 8: Ask what pick a favorite. I'm gonna go with Marvel
Speaker 8: because it got Black Panther and Shang Chee. So I
Speaker 8: have to go to DC.
Speaker 3: Because you know they published Milestone. So okay, that's fair,
Speaker 3: that's not going to fuck that money up.
Speaker 2: I gotta ask what work did you do for Marvel
Speaker 2: before you started on doing an Illuminati.
Speaker 3: Ult in chief?
Speaker 8: In chief stands job? Okay, and the things I was
Speaker 8: there one of the things I want to do is
Speaker 8: I wanted to diversify the creators and the and the audience.
Speaker 8: My thing is, I wasn't about the fan boys that existed.
Speaker 8: I want to go to the larger audience. So it's
Speaker 8: all about trying to diversify the creators and the characters.
Speaker 8: I got behind Coaches of Black Panther back in two thousands.
Speaker 8: No one gave a ship about him in publishing, right
Speaker 8: Bridgie headline our Vitual Friend did my Vitual Friend? You
Speaker 8: ordered for six years for me? And then I did
Speaker 8: the hip hop variants at Marvel. Yeah, you know, the
Speaker 8: hip hop variant when we did homages to all the
Speaker 8: hip hop album covers I did.
Speaker 3: I did the Liquid Swords covers. Yeah, I redid the
Speaker 3: Liquid Swords covering. Hey, Dennis, I didn't tell you this.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 8: I was in Korea Town in Queen's I swear to God,
Speaker 8: I saw a seventy year old Korean man wearing a
Speaker 8: bootleg Liquid Swords Marvel variant of your cover.
Speaker 3: No to God, Iron Man, and what bootleg boot leg
Speaker 3: of yours of your you know you made?
Speaker 6: It was the copy of the It was the Marvel
Speaker 6: copy of Liquid Swords that is so sick, that is
Speaker 6: so next level.
Speaker 3: Stuff.
Speaker 6: I can't.
Speaker 3: I got to have that shirt I got.
Speaker 2: I got another question for this that I always wonder,
Speaker 2: how long, because I know it's got to take a
Speaker 2: long time. How long does drawing all this stuff take?
Speaker 2: How long does it take you for you to finish,
Speaker 2: like a whole comic with drawing that must be a
Speaker 2: long time, or a whole book, the whole book, how
Speaker 2: long does that take?
Speaker 6: Well, he's about usually about three weeks. Still month, Oh
Speaker 6: my god, he's about three weeks still a month.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's one week of laying it out like I do,
Speaker 6: small thumbnails of all twenty pages or twenty two pages
Speaker 6: or whatever it is. I give it to my assistant
Speaker 6: who helps me with the backgrounds and all that stuff.
Speaker 6: I decipher what I want to give him reference. He
Speaker 6: gives it back to me. Now I have to start drawing,
Speaker 6: so it'll take me about two and a half weeks.
Speaker 6: It'll take me about a week to do his thing,
Speaker 6: be about two weeks mine.
Speaker 3: And I understand.
Speaker 8: You'll talk to you a pro there, Blue col You
Speaker 8: know it's not that attitude.
Speaker 3: Put their head down and get the job done. What
Speaker 3: it is is that's how we were taught. You know.
Speaker 3: It's like you got a certain amount of time, you
Speaker 3: allocate your time, you get it done. You got to
Speaker 3: get it in.
Speaker 4: Deliberate.
Speaker 3: There are no excuses, there's no nothing. And if they
Speaker 3: name when you say you.
Speaker 6: Are, and then we keep going and try to cause
Speaker 6: your publisher as little hassle as possible.
Speaker 8: Been the best friend?
Speaker 3: Is that attitude? You know?
Speaker 2: So I got an outside question about another milestone question
Speaker 2: for you, because right now DC is having this huge
Speaker 2: like takeover, like this huge redo what they're doing with
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff with the m C, with the
Speaker 2: DCU and everything. I always wanted to see some more
Speaker 2: mouthstone characters in the in the cinema universes especially, I
Speaker 2: can especially standing shot. What's your thoughts on do you
Speaker 2: would you want to see a lot more of your
Speaker 2: care of course you would, but like, well, what's your
Speaker 2: thoughts on them? Like do you think that will may
Speaker 2: be happy in the future or is that something that
Speaker 2: you are ready to see with the characters.
Speaker 3: We have to see what happens. I mean, for me,
Speaker 3: an icon of Rocket Movie would be everything I've said,
Speaker 3: this little bit chemistry.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's Superman and Robin. Yeah, it's like it's like
Speaker 6: just it would be such such a perfect movie. Reggie
Speaker 6: has a great take on it, and you know, hopefully
Speaker 6: what one day, one day someone will do it. I
Speaker 6: think Static would be a great live action thing. There
Speaker 6: was you know, we had a script done, there was
Speaker 6: all kinds of stuff, and then there was a big
Speaker 6: reason change Uponner Brothers.
Speaker 3: So that just threw everything up in the air.
Speaker 6: And then the constant and then the focus at Warner
Speaker 6: was on Warner Brothers was on like their iconic superheroes Batman, Superman,
Speaker 6: wonder Woman, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: So it's fine, you know, it is what it did.
Speaker 3: You just get.
Speaker 6: But the milestone characters I think deserve more of an
Speaker 6: opportunity to shine, you know. And it's a gold mine
Speaker 6: that's just waiting to happen. It's already happened with Static
Speaker 6: Shock in the two thousand. It was what would be
Speaker 6: even bigger.
Speaker 3: I guess I remember the good old Static Shock day. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was a simpler time. It was a simpler time,
Speaker 3: It's right.
Speaker 8: And you would think the executives that one who would
Speaker 8: pay attention to Black Panther and the sequel.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, it's as you know, no Man, as
Speaker 6: you know, any Black successions looked on as at the
Speaker 6: unicorn never to be seen. You know, we saw a
Speaker 6: unicorn in the forest, and we never don't see it again,
Speaker 6: and then they do another one.
Speaker 3: There was another unicorn in the forest. You know, you
Speaker 3: would think they have comes to actual But this DC
Speaker 3: was talking about they cinematic just trust it's it's it's
Speaker 3: it's the whole thing, you know. It's it's the business
Speaker 3: that we're in right now.
Speaker 2: Because I like that man. I like Superman, but I'm
Speaker 2: kind of tired because they keep just read inventing it,
Speaker 2: you know, and DC has so much potential. I mean,
Speaker 2: they have so many It's just like with the Black Panther.
Speaker 2: The person's got a big success. He's a person who
Speaker 2: breaks out of that pattern and does something like that.
Speaker 2: So whoever does Icon and Rocket or whoever does that
Speaker 2: static thing, it's going to be huge. And that's going
Speaker 2: to be why, you know, because we you know.
Speaker 6: It's needed, and just like Black Panther and just like
Speaker 6: everything else like that, it'll be a phenomenon. They just
Speaker 6: have to get off them and you know, invest a
Speaker 6: little bit of money. They want to invest in it,
Speaker 6: just let it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you said that, because I really
Speaker 2: want to see Milestone some more than Rocket and I
Speaker 2: col be some right put out there.
Speaker 3: It will just be amazing.
Speaker 2: And that people have some another black because everybody because
Speaker 2: everybody's like black Superman like no icon it I have.
Speaker 3: We have the people right and the other Superman.
Speaker 1: Dude, No, no, we're tired of the multi verse.
Speaker 3: We don't need this anymore. Nobody gets it anymore. I
Speaker 3: got another question.
Speaker 2: But Axel and Dennison, y'all are y'all are in the
Speaker 2: comic business, of the art business and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Y'all going back to yall childhood. Y'all remember what got
Speaker 2: y'all first? Got y'all interested in comics and art and
Speaker 2: things like that. Dennis, you go first. What got you
Speaker 2: interested in those things? What got me interested in comics
Speaker 2: was I was in third grade and I had never
Speaker 2: seen a comic before.
Speaker 6: And the guy was sitting next to was a guy
Speaker 6: named Derek Dingle who ended up founding Milestone with me.
Speaker 6: Because I was Dennis cow and c he was Derek
Speaker 6: Dingle d they sat us next to one another, alphabetic
Speaker 6: like they used to do.
Speaker 3: So I'm sitting there minding.
Speaker 6: My own business, and Derek pulls out a copy of
Speaker 6: I Think it was fantastic for featuring the Black Panther,
Speaker 6: the first appearance of the Black Panther. He pulled that
Speaker 6: out and pulled out two more comics than New Gods,
Speaker 6: two copies of the New God's comics.
Speaker 3: You got to my favorite as a kid. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: lost my mind. He was nineteen seventy one, right, seventy
Speaker 3: seventy one. I lost my mind.
Speaker 6: I had never seen anything like I had never seen
Speaker 6: a comic book, and I had never seen anything like
Speaker 6: the pictures inside. I thought that I was doing something
Speaker 6: because I would watch the Superman TV show on on
Speaker 6: on TV, the black and White one with George Reads
Speaker 6: on my own Superman comics. But I didn't know I
Speaker 6: was doing comics. So I would just do the show
Speaker 6: and I would draw a little box next to another
Speaker 6: little box, and I put Superman inside, doing different things
Speaker 6: in sequential order. I had no idea of what I
Speaker 6: was doing. And Derek shows me this, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 6: there you asking comics. Yes, I'm already doing this, And that's.
Speaker 3: How I got it. That's how I started. That's how
Speaker 3: I started drawing man.
Speaker 8: Pretty much the same thing. When I was a little boy,
Speaker 8: my grandma would pick me up after school, and so
Speaker 8: she picked up she would walk me home, and in
Speaker 8: order to keep me calm, she would buy me comic books.
Speaker 8: So I bought Black Panther, Luke Cage, Shang Chi, Sergeant
Speaker 8: Rock and you and you thought, I love these books,
Speaker 8: blew me away, and I like Dennis, you sit down
Speaker 8: and draw comic books myself only I had no talent,
Speaker 8: so I didn't go out round.
Speaker 3: I loved it. I loved it.
Speaker 2: We're gonna see some more, and we're gonna see Luke
Speaker 2: Cage coming back. You think, because I'm man, it's gone
Speaker 2: water back. This Showy had a TV show.
Speaker 3: Oh I like that show. Yeah, we said every week
Speaker 3: it was underrated. I like that that show. To des
Speaker 3: did a pretty good job. With the Marble shows. I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna lie to did a good job. They didn't
Speaker 3: up Yeah my favorite. I didn't like that much, but
Speaker 3: I know we didn't. We didn't either. Nobody like Nobody
Speaker 3: like Irony did.
Speaker 1: He did a much better job in the Defenders, though,
Speaker 1: yes he did redeemed himself a little bit and I
Speaker 1: didn't see that Defenders.
Speaker 3: It's worked just a lot of fun, Yes it is.
Speaker 3: It was. It was nice, it was enjoyable.
Speaker 2: But they you know, Nettlease got rid of all the
Speaker 2: marble shows now, so saying Disney plums Disney plums that
Speaker 2: way they are now. Yes, Dark Devil's coming back early
Speaker 2: next year.
Speaker 3: I think that's one. It's a premier. I thought it
Speaker 3: was Christmas. It might be.
Speaker 9: It might be Christmas research. So I got to I
Speaker 9: had a question for so. I know you started as
Speaker 9: a journalist, right, what is that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't a real person, that's like a cartoon person.
Speaker 4: Right, So what pushed you to pivot to like comic books?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Well I saw an ad in The Times when I
Speaker 8: was a journalist that DC Combois were hiring.
Speaker 3: So I thought, what that.
Speaker 8: I'll just send in my resume and see what happens.
Speaker 8: I get a call for an interview. I go in
Speaker 8: and the editor interviewed me late blue staff. This said
Speaker 8: I wanted to meet you for a while, And I
Speaker 8: said what And he said.
Speaker 3: You wrote an article for the Daily News. I read,
Speaker 3: I loved it.
Speaker 8: I wrote an article about the use of the cannabis
Speaker 8: sleep and hip hop and pop culture and interviewed a
Speaker 8: lot of people.
Speaker 3: Love people. I got you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And two of the people I interviewed were the
Speaker 8: head of the DA for Law Enforcement Law and the
Speaker 8: other one was editor in chief of High Times magazine,
Speaker 8: and they both really extreme. It both seemed kind of silly.
Speaker 8: What happened was that Lou said that motherfucker who stole
Speaker 8: my girlfriend? Yeah, he said, you're hired. You're hired, So
Speaker 8: I got I got hired because I wrote an article
Speaker 8: in which I made a guy look bad who stole
Speaker 8: the girlfriend.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 8: And then I stayed at Vertigo. I was at Vertigo
Speaker 8: for a few years ye as some success, and the
Speaker 8: Marvel came to me in two thousand offered me a
Speaker 8: job and I said, I don't want to work at Marvel.
Speaker 8: I don't like super heroes, and they said we.
Speaker 3: Want you more. Now.
Speaker 8: Magnitude is I like the characters as genres, you know,
Speaker 8: I thought, you know, Hulk is about anger management, the
Speaker 8: monster thors a fantasy book. Captain America is about politics
Speaker 8: and the American flag. I mean the black Captain America
Speaker 8: two thousands almost got me killed, you know, was not
Speaker 8: ready for that.
Speaker 3: It's an idea. Bradley ready for that.
Speaker 8: Bob Morales in collback, I got fucking death threats for
Speaker 8: that ship.
Speaker 3: You know, people were not ready for that.
Speaker 8: On Miles Morales, they were not ready, you know.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Miles Morales.
Speaker 2: I know now because Manle Morawns is another one of
Speaker 2: my favorite uh New Marble heroes.
Speaker 3: So much backlash, Oh.
Speaker 10: The bastards were insane, insane, insane backlash people a Parker,
Speaker 10: you know, yeah, on a personal level, I love him
Speaker 10: more than Peter Parker because all the stuff he does,
Speaker 10: and he's more powerful to me.
Speaker 6: Miles Morales and that whole thing, to me, that was
Speaker 6: all inspired by Statue for real, it really was.
Speaker 1: And yeah, they got the same vibe and everything Static
Speaker 1: walked so Miles could riun.
Speaker 3: It was brilliant and we loved it. And then they
Speaker 3: did the movies and it was even even more brilliant
Speaker 3: and we loved it.
Speaker 6: But the thing was, nobody at Milestone had said this
Speaker 6: to act on Nobody Mouse we couldn't get mad like
Speaker 6: you know, and I couldn't get mad at Miles Morales,
Speaker 6: the Spectacular Spider Man being so much like Static because
Speaker 6: Static was inspired by Spider Man.
Speaker 3: We basically said, gee, what if?
Speaker 6: What if like the whole high school getting bitten by
Speaker 6: Spider being a nerd not being accepted, being like a
Speaker 6: science geek and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: All that stuff came from Spider Man.
Speaker 4: Oh man, I actually never realized black.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we made it a black character and gave it,
Speaker 6: you know, that kind of flavor informed by our experiences.
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't know that at all. It's crazy
Speaker 3: because used light. It was like it was like it
Speaker 3: was kind of everything flipped in on the stuff.
Speaker 6: When when when spectacular Spider Man came out, because it
Speaker 6: was like, well, we can't stay anything.
Speaker 3: It was just like damn, we got them and then
Speaker 3: they got their leg.
Speaker 6: Big this crazy had to get their back and they did.
Speaker 6: You know, but Stating is still still a great character,
Speaker 6: still stand. The ultimate movie would be a team up
Speaker 6: with those two that los epig minds.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 1: Like if they ever do one of them like random
Speaker 1: like DC Marvel crossover comic series.
Speaker 3: Again, that's probably would be hot too. They got to
Speaker 3: meet each other and at least do the what it
Speaker 3: was on Predative The Sign of a Bitch.
Speaker 2: So well, we got one more question. I got one
Speaker 2: more this okay, but but we back to Illuminati. Our
Speaker 2: relationship with Charlotte Maine. How did your relationship with Charlotte
Speaker 2: Maine start?
Speaker 3: You know? How did y'all come together on this project?
Speaker 8: We started to Charlotte Maine a few years ago and
Speaker 8: realized he had an interest in getting into publishing, and
Speaker 8: we understood part of this is mandate, his personal mandate.
Speaker 8: He wanted to get behind black creators in a big way,
Speaker 8: and he loves comic books. So we said, look, let's
Speaker 8: work together. Let's work together. We want to work with
Speaker 8: you to do this. It's a party for us, it's
Speaker 8: a party for you.
Speaker 3: We're like mine.
Speaker 8: Let's let's work together. And then when we got to
Speaker 8: formerly talking with him alone, that's when I realized that
Speaker 8: I had to pitch from Brian, and I thought, Black Illuminati.
Speaker 8: He might like this, you know, easy as that he's
Speaker 8: being a dream to work with. He's he's just enough involvement,
Speaker 8: been real, you know, and and to make sure that
Speaker 8: it's on point. But he's not a you know, an
Speaker 8: intrusive and he's not he's not a control free Yeah.
Speaker 3: I got a test to that work with work with him.
Speaker 2: We've been on them what four years, almost five years,
Speaker 2: and were making him making it so it's been amazing.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we could also tested that.
Speaker 1: You should, you should put a word in his zer
Speaker 1: that we too are also writers, you know, so we
Speaker 1: have some ideas.
Speaker 3: Lights of brain, you know. Just quisl didn't help. No,
Speaker 3: he wrote that and we read it.
Speaker 6: I remember when I when I read it, I remember
Speaker 6: thinking at the time, Wow, some of this stuff seems
Speaker 6: a little far betched.
Speaker 3: But this is a comic book, so you know, we
Speaker 3: can and then come to find out, No, none of
Speaker 3: it was far batched.
Speaker 6: Not one thing.
Speaker 3: It's twenty twenty flood drew.
Speaker 6: Now one thing I drew was far batch compared to
Speaker 6: everything that's come out now about.
Speaker 3: When the last time you've been to Florida, ik about it?
Speaker 3: Go back exactly, go now you'll see some things and
Speaker 3: here's some stuff.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I usually end with these questions, is my rapid five questions,
Speaker 2: and I have comic book folks on her.
Speaker 3: All right, First chocolate vanilla. He's starting off basic. That's
Speaker 3: very basic. Chocolate vanilla I wasn't.
Speaker 8: Popular, but I like vanilla ice cream more than chocolate.
Speaker 8: But I do like vanilla ice cream more than my
Speaker 8: people like chocolate, you know, I like him.
Speaker 3: Up coffee coffee, coffee.
Speaker 6: Coughlic person, but I appreciate vanilla. All right, Batman, Superman, Batman, Batman.
Speaker 6: Here we go, Eli Eli our resident. Ma ha, he
Speaker 6: hates bad Man, but obviously I love Batman.
Speaker 3: We got the win.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts Free Willy? Like I wonder they
Speaker 2: thought that's another I think. I think Free Willy is
Speaker 2: one of the best movies of all time. What are
Speaker 2: your thoughts on not just bring it up?
Speaker 6: I did, Yes, I did.
Speaker 3: What is it that Michael made Free Willy? I haven't
Speaker 3: seen it?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: For the gun? I see he's in that too, right?
Speaker 3: Who is in that?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yes he isn't it? Yeah? So it's too extreme?
Speaker 1: Remember the song Michael Jackson made the song about that's.
Speaker 3: How old are you me? Yeah? Fifty four? Fine? Okay, okay,
Speaker 3: the move it makes it not make little man. It's
Speaker 3: the nineties kid thing. I understand, you know good Way
Speaker 3: like many a forty you know what? Rap fire questions?
Speaker 3: One last question for fort stupid. One last question.
Speaker 2: If you could write or make any movie comic book,
Speaker 2: comic book movie, uh that you could think of any
Speaker 2: coming big movie, past present, fugual, whatever you want to do?
Speaker 3: What would you write, I'll make.
Speaker 8: We're talking about existing characters, existing characters. Punisher for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nice, and I needed I would do. I would
Speaker 3: do like kind of rocket. I would rocket and then I.
Speaker 2: Start bro Yes, all right, that just needs to be
Speaker 2: in the atmosphere. We need to mention that more because
Speaker 2: I really would love to see ar the Rocket movie.
Speaker 8: Also, Yes, but I'd rather create something new myself, right,
Speaker 8: quitting stuff that's new.
Speaker 3: You know, it is time for some new ship instead
Speaker 3: of just yes. You know, I'm tired of the classic reboots.
Speaker 3: I'm tired of the Star Wars. Put a woman in
Speaker 3: and making gate Tech. We could we could deal with
Speaker 3: some new.
Speaker 1: Ship and it's probably gonna boom off the soul fat.
Speaker 1: We just tied everything and rebooted.
Speaker 3: Right now.
Speaker 8: We got this book called Illuminatis and check that out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, this Dominati, I can't wait all the minds.
Speaker 3: I can't wait for it to come in.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely gonna because I like to do a cook
Speaker 2: so I'm definitely gonna reviewed with This is.
Speaker 8: Built to lize, This is built to lie to the
Speaker 8: story is complete, but there's threats for more starts to
Speaker 8: be told yea and shout out.
Speaker 3: To breaking the goal, doubling the goal. You'll had a
Speaker 3: k goal and y'all had twenty k.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go making it so people are supporting.
Speaker 1: So make sure y'all go to kick Start and look
Speaker 1: up the Illuminati and go, you know, pick it up.
Speaker 2: Yes, the project, everyone, please get out there like it's
Speaker 2: like Dre said a boy the book, Support the project.
Speaker 2: The campaign is October October twenty second. And also you
Speaker 2: can see these guys at New York Comic Con.
Speaker 3: What is that coming up?
Speaker 2: If you want to plug the dates, you want to
Speaker 2: let the audience also let them know your socials if
Speaker 2: you have them out there.
Speaker 3: Please. Oh yeah.
Speaker 6: I met at Dennis Counten Art Instagram, at Dennis count
Speaker 6: on Instagram, Dennis count Art on Facebook.
Speaker 3: You can find me.
Speaker 8: I'm just Twitter axel Onza MARV the X C L
Speaker 8: A l O N s O M A r V.
Speaker 8: That's my only social I don't do fastbucket on anything
Speaker 8: like that. And I have an Instagram account just to
Speaker 8: check out basketball videos and my son's my son, you know,
Speaker 8: NTRI still life.
Speaker 3: And also close it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can check out the New York Couble Come
Speaker 2: panel October eighteenth at three fourty five pm. It'll be
Speaker 2: the panel on Illuminati with these guys here, Axel and
Speaker 2: Dennis who also joined by the boss Man, Charlomagne the Guy.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be amazing.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see more from the story and
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see more from you guys. This
Speaker 2: is amazing to sit down with both of your stuff
Speaker 2: and dream come true. All right, we're gonna go to
Speaker 2: a quick break. But when we come back, Best in
Speaker 2: Class after this, and we are back, so we got
Speaker 2: another edition of Best in Class going to the dojo
Speaker 2: with Ray.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. All right, what's up, Padawan? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: We are just running through this long ass scroll we
Speaker 1: call time, and we're doing the best class. Well, we
Speaker 1: just shine to spotlight on new I was gonna say
Speaker 1: new games on games of the olden years that were.
Speaker 3: The bees knees of his time. And this year, this week,
Speaker 3: we are in the jolly old year of nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 3: So let's pop it off. We have the one of
Speaker 3: the goats Banjo KAZUOI Oh was that not it? Yep? Yep,
Speaker 3: you bet it was bad joking and then let's try it.
Speaker 1: Let's try it again, Okay, all right, A hey, that's
Speaker 1: funny that, Like I'm looking at the I m B
Speaker 1: D I m dB other list and like three of
Speaker 1: the top five on Super Smash Brothers, but another.
Speaker 3: N GaX entered the Gecko. Oh was that? Man?
Speaker 4: I guess I'm not really striking on this one.
Speaker 3: The gust the gigs under the get really come out
Speaker 3: of ninety eight? Sure did? Sure? Delsion, my ah, that's funny.
Speaker 3: My personal favorite.
Speaker 1: Zel the game and what Karina Time Tony who had
Speaker 1: the better soundtrack a Karina at time?
Speaker 3: On the George Mask. Hm, right, that's a tough one.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with my George Mask. I think there
Speaker 1: was a lot more he cooked on that he cooked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta agree. Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Everyone loves Lost Woods, but I you know, I think
Speaker 1: that's kind of tells us lullaby you.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is I still think I.
Speaker 4: Think man, I mean, but I'm biased. I like Majorys
Speaker 4: Mask better than a Koreen of Time.
Speaker 2: Major Mass had a song that the dude made. He
Speaker 2: was probably on cocaine when he made it. Which one
Speaker 2: it's a few of them. It's a few of them.
Speaker 3: That's a Goat.
Speaker 1: But next to funny shit, this is a game I've
Speaker 1: never played the first one. I played the second one
Speaker 1: only because of you. I remember the Orange box that
Speaker 1: came out on like xby and PS two they had
Speaker 1: like Team Fortress in Half Life two and guess the
Speaker 1: counter strike that's that was the third That's the only
Speaker 1: way I was ever able to play Half Like, but
Speaker 1: Half Like one drop.
Speaker 3: That story still confuses me, but I'm pretty sure we'll
Speaker 3: never get Half Life three. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: And next up another one of my personal favorites and
Speaker 1: the beginning of me being a conspiracy like theorist Medigan
Speaker 1: Solid the beginning of the real adventures of the Goat.
Speaker 1: Another super Smash Brothers MVP Solid Snake that was like
Speaker 1: the beginning.
Speaker 3: That was the beginning to meet with Stealth Games because.
Speaker 1: I I didn't have an Xbox growing up, so I
Speaker 1: never I got Sam Fisher kind of late. I didn't
Speaker 1: even know what is Nigga. I just knew Snake tame shit.
Speaker 1: Next to we got the beginning of me falling in
Speaker 1: love with Umbie games risk Ain't Evil to still traumatized
Speaker 1: me to this day, to the point where I had
Speaker 1: to buy the remake just to beat it, to prove.
Speaker 3: Some shit to myself. I needed that. That was for me.
Speaker 1: We got Fallout to the beginning of like the beginning
Speaker 1: of like super like team competitive shooting. We got Rainbow six.
Speaker 1: Was Rainbow six a multiplayer competitive game, and first it
Speaker 1: wasn't a story, No, it was single player story right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Rainbow six the person one dropped in ninety eight,
Speaker 1: let's keep going. We got falled, like I know, like
Speaker 1: Rainbow SI because Rainbow six because I remember Vegas.
Speaker 3: Vegas was Oh, it's fun. I don't know how I
Speaker 3: was just said, I'm dead.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to thank I guess did I see it's
Speaker 1: weaky weigky worthy.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 1: And in the beginning of like this is meat falling
Speaker 1: in the take and we got Taken three and I
Speaker 1: could close it with it. I could close it was
Speaker 1: Taken three because that's the beginning of gen becoming.
Speaker 3: My main And.
Speaker 5: Eight for me was that was a big year gaming
Speaker 5: for me. I that was I got a Nintendo. I
Speaker 5: would This was like the time my grandmother was doing
Speaker 5: her best and she worked for like Mobile Oil, and
Speaker 5: we were well off. If you asked what ship you
Speaker 5: got it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I had a Nintendo sixty four and a
Speaker 4: PlayStation and a game boy.
Speaker 3: I was. I was the kid that you know.
Speaker 4: Everyone came over to my house to play games.
Speaker 3: So I had nice wasn't never invited, just putting that
Speaker 3: out there. I didn't know you because we were black.
Speaker 3: Huh No, I have black friends. We really didn't need
Speaker 3: to meet it judge to high school.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I had Spiral great game that also came
Speaker 4: out that year.
Speaker 3: Damn ship. Sure did. I had gets.
Speaker 4: I mentioned that earlier.
Speaker 3: Hey, I played all of them bitches. My mom pawn
Speaker 3: that game, so I didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't have it for long.
Speaker 1: That's the one game like if I ever rented it
Speaker 1: from from from the Light from like funny Ship. I
Speaker 1: cant of market had a video sto inside of it,
Speaker 1: so you can get groceries and red movies, so I'd
Speaker 1: always get every time a Gecko Gainst Gecko game came out.
Speaker 1: I rent that Beach for like three days, and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to beat that bitch, but I got to take
Speaker 1: it back.
Speaker 2: Was it like a store inside the store. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: I used to have that. They like a Hollywood videos
Speaker 2: out of.
Speaker 1: Type ship and that's what and funny ship that's where
Speaker 1: Hollywood I wasn't. It was one of them that wasn't
Speaker 1: black Buster that's sold movies. They came from like the
Speaker 1: inside of like the grocery stuff. Then they got their
Speaker 1: own building. It's like, damn it.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 4: And on the Dreamcast, I had Sonic Adventure that came
Speaker 4: out this year. Love that game.
Speaker 3: Also.
Speaker 4: I would always go play this and it wasn't Fiesta.
Speaker 4: It was a different store by John Quincy Adams Malones.
Speaker 4: There's another Mexican store. This is kind of like pre Fiesta.
Speaker 4: It was a Marvel versus Capcom. Yeah, it's still there.
Speaker 3: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: And then Pokemon Yellow came out this year. That was
Speaker 1: my first Pokemon game. I didn't start with that's real.
Speaker 3: I started on Red. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I started with Yellow because I loved the show. So
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, there's a game and Yellow follows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one ship. It followed the entire show.
Speaker 1: And Get but instead of you picking and get you Pikachi.
Speaker 5: Yeah, which is made Matt couldn't evolve them. I was like,
Speaker 5: check this Thunderstone, but by pissed off everybody.
Speaker 2: I called a pikachew and evolved into a right to
Speaker 2: put that pizature in my box.
Speaker 3: You couldn't yellow. It was like ashes pikach you. You couldn't.
Speaker 3: You couldn't put it in the box. You couldn't it
Speaker 3: to be with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you followed you all the time.
Speaker 3: I don't know what I did that. It had to
Speaker 3: be red or blue because that.
Speaker 5: Was the only that was before Yellow Mario Party came
Speaker 5: out this year, and that was destruction of friendships.
Speaker 1: That was sixty four. Yeah, yeah, oh, friendships were lost
Speaker 1: in that game Monopoly. We had Crash Bandicoot Warped. I
Speaker 1: played that a lot.
Speaker 3: That was the third one when Yeah, yeah, that was
Speaker 3: another game I played at that girl house.
Speaker 4: I saw you like bringing that story up because like
Speaker 4: burned in your memory.
Speaker 3: I played.
Speaker 2: That's probably the first naked woman I've seen close personal.
Speaker 2: And also I played a lot of games in the house.
Speaker 3: I was older a lot.
Speaker 5: Well, you had a crush on her, that makes sense.
Speaker 5: Then I got two more lesser known ones that I
Speaker 5: really enjoyed. Great fencer Musashi, that's fighting game. No, he
Speaker 5: did have a sword.
Speaker 1: Then he kind of looked and then he kind of
Speaker 1: looked like Final Fantasy seven style bodies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I can't remember that ship. That was game
Speaker 3: I I have.
Speaker 4: That's like a kind of core memory because wheneverything died.
Speaker 1: He would be like when I when I get reincarnated,
Speaker 1: I want to be Musashi again, and I'm like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I feel that and then to Rok too.
Speaker 1: I never beat that game, never, never in my life.
Speaker 1: Still haven't gone back to beat it. It was difficult
Speaker 1: for me, you know.
Speaker 3: Switch now they just dropped. They fit the first two
Speaker 3: and then my mom pawned it. My mom ponned a
Speaker 3: lot of games.
Speaker 1: I see, I see God that I'll just pray you
Speaker 1: beat them before then I didn't.
Speaker 5: There I would, so I would go to Mexico, right
Speaker 5: because I had to go visit my dad. I'd go
Speaker 5: to Mexico for a summer. I'd come back half my
Speaker 5: games are gone. Should go and then I would have
Speaker 5: to complain to.
Speaker 1: My grandma, and my grandma would tell her to go
Speaker 1: get them, and then maybe I'd get them back if
Speaker 1: she didn't do it at the start of the summer.
Speaker 1: If it's at the start of the summer, they're gone.
Speaker 1: It already been like three months or whatever.
Speaker 3: She missed the ship. This fucked you liked anything? Why
Speaker 3: did you have an undershirt off for the indegy and
Speaker 3: you had a shirt on? Now you should have just
Speaker 3: kept the damn shirt off. I had wait shirt.
Speaker 2: We were moving to washing machine and now what was
Speaker 2: nothing got off? Rainbow six c Yeah, that's that's I mean,
Speaker 2: Rainbow six. That's what I remember the most. By ninety eight.
Speaker 2: That damn, I ain't.
Speaker 3: I ain't even never the first persone came. I remember
Speaker 3: playing that. I remember playing that at school. That's the
Speaker 3: first time I played that. Really. Yeah. Everything. He was
Speaker 3: one of the smart kids, so they had more friuit.
Speaker 3: So it was very.
Speaker 2: You sound salty, bro, because there's a bullshit. They should
Speaker 2: not let separated the smarty. I could even going bield trips, dumps.
Speaker 2: That's the bullshit, bro. Okay, that's a personal problem.
Speaker 3: Oh that ninety eight? Ninety eight? Really wouldn't I remember
Speaker 3: doing it? Oh yeah, Pokemon Yellow, that's it.
Speaker 2: That's what I remember. That's probably why I remember Pokemon Yellow.
Speaker 2: You have people that you follow you around, that's what
Speaker 2: I remember.
Speaker 1: Did you not paying attention to the entire time we
Speaker 1: were talking about it, he was put the stupid shirt on.
Speaker 3: Okay man, So I'm like, when the did you put
Speaker 3: the shirt of my games? Uh N? They was kind
Speaker 3: of dry, I know it was. It had some sleep. No,
Speaker 3: that was a big year for me. Dry.
Speaker 1: I don't see no hits on her in the first
Speaker 1: Minutican Solid. That was the beginning of the stealth games.
Speaker 3: Not that's not in my wheelhouse. Solid ain't your thing.
Speaker 3: That's say.
Speaker 1: Ninety eight was like kind of toys the end of four,
Speaker 1: but sixty four was still.
Speaker 3: Coming out with nice ass games.
Speaker 1: But I guess while we're still on game and and whatnot,
Speaker 1: just another uh. I am so ready for Dragon Balls,
Speaker 1: Sparkling zero, B Sparking zero. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: keep on saying spark Sparking zero. It's gonna be nice,
Speaker 1: good old punch time. It's Tokyo Game Show at the moment.
Speaker 1: So next week we'll come with some more news on
Speaker 1: everything that's coming out.
Speaker 3: But I will say, damn, I did see some more
Speaker 3: Civilization seven stuff. Nice. No nice.
Speaker 1: I saw the Shadows the Sunic Shadow Generations trailer.
Speaker 3: Apparently they're gonna have a chapter.
Speaker 1: I guess for the movie, like a little prelude prequel
Speaker 1: chapter for shadow storyline that.
Speaker 3: Go into the movie.
Speaker 4: We uh, oh, yeah, I heard about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no voicing them and shit, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I see what y'all doing right there. That's nice. It's
Speaker 3: kind of neat.
Speaker 1: I like that. I've been seeing a lot about the
Speaker 1: Mortar comeback, chaos rain stuff and at it. But it's like,
Speaker 1: I just don't know because if they ain't thinking the's
Speaker 1: time I played the system was, I'm just say, ain't
Speaker 1: like shit need to be rebalanced. I don't like it
Speaker 1: right now, Tony. Did you also see that how World
Speaker 1: is coming to PlayStation five?
Speaker 4: And light of the they did at the Tokyo Game show,
Speaker 4: they said fu Y was like.
Speaker 3: Okay, drop your dick on the table, my niggas. I
Speaker 3: respect that. Can't even be mad, like take this ship try.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is one of the rare to those sides.
Speaker 1: No I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. I'm what they're
Speaker 1: swing for. Its kind of bes but still they did.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying, you gotta come with a better
Speaker 1: reason if.
Speaker 3: You're gonna do well, Maybe game Freak should stop throwing
Speaker 3: out slop every other year, like they got they need
Speaker 3: that competition. They got the Man and two K curse.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they haven't had competition for like a fucking decade.
Speaker 5: They they're coasting. They're coasting, dude, their medas fucking ain't
Speaker 5: no way.
Speaker 3: Yes, Sid after that, it was all of them. You're
Speaker 3: talking about r kas ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that went in a Pokemon game that was like
Speaker 1: a story mode type ship.
Speaker 3: Was trash. But that street any who get to get
Speaker 3: the movie trailer ship?
Speaker 1: Okay, we finally got to see where the Ghost of Tashima,
Speaker 1: Ghost of Your Time, which is I'm ready for I
Speaker 1: fuck y'all know, Ghost Tashima was my ship.
Speaker 3: I still got my Ghost Steamer hoodie and backpack. I'm
Speaker 3: lit for that.
Speaker 1: Donasty Warrior Orisins is still looking really nice. Uh, Horizon
Speaker 1: zero done again, upgrade and remaster. All right, I didn't
Speaker 1: ask for it, but I it's like, I feel like
Speaker 1: this is one of those y'all should have just gave
Speaker 1: everybody that got the actual ship. If it was fine,
Speaker 1: I would have did it. I ain't gonna lie but
Speaker 1: but but right now, I leave it to next week
Speaker 1: to get the rest of them. But this one messed
Speaker 1: me up a little bit because I was like, it
Speaker 1: could work. So, Okay, they got a Stellar Blade DLC
Speaker 1: coming up, and it's gonna be a uh what's the word,
Speaker 1: a collaboration with near On atom of the autom out
Speaker 1: of Pier near On t with the what it is
Speaker 1: not two D it's uh the girl with the white
Speaker 1: hair that got the eye patch you never playing.
Speaker 3: It's all pg in.
Speaker 1: Who don't worry about it, which makes kind of sense.
Speaker 1: It could work, So I want to see what they're
Speaker 1: gonna do with that. That's neat because Stella Blade go
Speaker 1: to it. If that ain't like a Game of the
Speaker 1: Year nomber d, I swear to guy, it was a
Speaker 1: lot of pat white women over this board picking these games.
Speaker 1: I'm standing on it, yep. But game wise, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: come and come next week with some more news. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that Medigan Solid Delton trailer is chef kids, go check
Speaker 1: that bitch out.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: I'm just mad, Hdeo is not part of this. I
Speaker 1: still don't like that. I don't like y'all know, I
Speaker 1: don't like how did hit that?
Speaker 3: GMA? Yeah, but yeah, it's like damn good.
Speaker 2: Re reached into another excited episode the Chap Nerves podcast.
Speaker 2: Make sure y'all go check out Illuminati, and make sure
Speaker 2: y'all go check out the Kickstarter campaign. You're gonna go
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Speaker 2: Illuminati check out the tears. They got a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff available, the hoodies, the merch, the hats, and also
Speaker 2: the commable series. It's gonna be amazing, gonna come out
Speaker 2: and I'll be reviewing it very soon. They also gonna
Speaker 2: be at the New York City Comic come October eighteen
Speaker 2: at three pm. Gonna be an Illuminati panety with Dennis Axel,
Speaker 2: Charlamagne the Guy, and some more o the creators of
Speaker 2: the Illuminati combabook series.
Speaker 3: All right, let's sign off Drakes stressing you out. So
Speaker 3: it's a it's fulling you boy, co this up your
Speaker 3: social budds like the motherfucker.
Speaker 1: At the end of it, well, yeah, I'm thinking I'm
Speaker 1: at I think I'm at the end of the JIT
Speaker 1: Counsel run through. You have the main storyline, h the
Speaker 1: one through fifty story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm in a level. I'm damn I'm a
Speaker 3: level like sixty eight right now. Oh type ship.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know I do the side missions on
Speaker 1: the side mission assass and I'm doing all of them,
Speaker 1: damn now. So yeah, I'm almost done with that. Then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the DL season I think you do.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start my other Hunt solo playthrough just going
Speaker 1: straight to the dark side.
Speaker 3: I don't know which one. Uh.
Speaker 1: If you starting no new character, you just want to
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